From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 14:20:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8462584551 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 14:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B28258078C for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 14:19:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 10so5894291lbg.34 for ; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 13:20:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VC+GxVpJ0QbvHZm6WWWWcihP8sEbPlpE+KrBgbqW1bs=; b=kILfmZ0lOVKSE2Elms91a6bNWo7qHKvDfuisOgX0EkXsBujkoFcEeqqW3bjAbqwVYm 2BqZw/OPgNt1Pr9OLl9Uc+8TdeJyNoKviYg43NUKOGt5j7ixB6GI3h+g5lUNMbf5NlgK 6dPkKPD18XaplSQOhFjCOrUKyxgajo7BowVkYA8f5Zj5hx8EdfS/t5o5IAR/Lnu8I2F6 avvXLHSKtf2dYiugIZcR4gF0w+zDUWySlZGY/dTp/6K4u2xMX3LTu0KiYV95lvGw9pZa Ok7cb+Kmhz4RhRQoFmZbvTHDctpkAhH5cpq+neMNwUCEvbwe+ZmRmy3AECMckFVj14t1 2wYA== v5mr4996402lag.84.1407183627621; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 13:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.27.138 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 13:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 15:20:27 -0500 From: Philip Ethier To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] rustproofing glop? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Pulled off one of the running boards on my truck yesterday. No rust on the rocker, but there are some small places where the plastic running board has rubbed the paint down to shiny metal. I would like to brush on some sort of permanant rustproofing glop. I can shave the running board back and possition it so it does not rub. What sort of stuff can I get? I would also like to brush some of it on the bottom of the rear quarter to fend off stone chips and rust. I don't care what it looks like. If someone wants to look a the bottom of my quarters and complain about the cosmetics there, let 'em. The stuff has to stick to oem paint and to metal. -- pethier@comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 18:38:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFCB2584653 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 18:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.centurylink.net (mail.centurylink.net [205.219.233.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B0D2584615 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 18:38:21 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=C9ETwy4pc_4A:10 a=u3A0Ipw_-uMA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=nb8oz3b9A-n6IH_fQwwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com header.from=ejrussell@mebtel.net; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.mail=ejrussell@mebtel.net; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com smtp.user=ejrussell@mebtel.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: softfail (smtp02.agate.dfw.synacor.com: transitional domain mebtel.net does not designate 99.194.27.8 as permitted sender) Received: from [99.194.27.8] ([99.194.27.8:59316] helo=EricJRussellPC) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTPA id 78/0B-30263-B9720E35; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:38:51 -0400 From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Philip Ethier" , "Shop-Talk" References: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 20:38:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] rustproofing glop? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My first thought is a rust converter. It is available as both spray cans and brush-on. On steel it dries (cures? converts?) to black. On paint it is fairly clear. Once cured it is very tough. Second thought is POR-15. Also cures very tough. Since you say the metal is shiney you could simply prime & paint. Then cover with stone shield. Comes in a spray can & dries to a rubbery slightly textured surface. It is available in clear & black. Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- > I would like to brush on some sort of permanant rustproofing glop. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 10:17:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37352258467A for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 10:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.active-server.com (mail.active-server.com [206.190.136.116]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB55258051C for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 10:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DellOffice (50-46-115-149.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.115.149]) by mail.active-server.com with SMTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:16:34 -0700 From: "Kent Sullivan" To: "'shop-talk'" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:16:32 -0700 Organization: CorvairKid Enterprises Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac+0tnMcoCER5sOASmyBL+B3c3No4w== Subject: [Shop-talk] How to purchase a Cornwell tool? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, My brother would really like to own a Cornwell RS20 ratchet spinner . I can't find a retailer that sells them (including eBay and Amazon), and the Cornwell site only has an info form for setting up an in-person call from a dealer. My brother is not a professional mechanic, so that doesn't make any sense. Suggestions? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 10:32:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0999A2584687 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 10:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAB1258051C for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 10:29:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id z12so7564459wgg.0 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:29:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Jo+9cSbgwRjSXtxbvo/2xas3GUxUdoj+CmE28OCnk+U=; b=pBtVrxSvm6grpPHSaLISMeaRBkExJNY96XbJrKjCgmQEMYiadT8DJ/KbqRwhqPfcG8 mKVAQ/tc0uRDfoxwPCYB7yCPtHekWRuI59NK42SfkQqog1CJ0xjbf34fWBS2DNFnL0wr dV/wuRYkXUGmvTpCdHEf8yvAi0Vys6bC8NnjC1D14riYwJH7efKTGGzDoFngTy3r2iII nIs7wQ20SyFmBSdjiHfV/NPzO7xhZfh8aFVeFh67URNOboSr+H++XqxXfBO0ri0dXAK7 liFMRgARsLFu58swRu9pwDUGXbp7tbT49fsfRZScEuMhR11Hooedjbb79V6NWJAVRAn9 bXfw== h6mr19064777wij.0.1407688190245; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.54.167 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:29:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <02c101cfb4b6$73964830$5ac2d890$@corvairkid.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 11:29:50 -0500 From: John Innis To: Kent Sullivan Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to purchase a Cornwell tool? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have not dealt with Cornwell but I have bought from Snap-On and other outfits that sell the same way. It will vary based on who your local dealer is, but I have found most to be more than willing to work with individuals who just want to buy a few items now and then. It usually helps if you offer to meet the dealer at another of his clients, at a time when he was already planning to be there, so he doesn't have to make a special trip for you. I'd say enter your info on the web site and at least have a chat with the dealer on the phone. On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Kent Sullivan wrote: > Hi, > > > > My brother would really like to own a Cornwell RS20 ratchet spinner > < > http://www.cornwelltools.com/webcat/products.php?product=RS20-%252d-3%7B47% > 7D8%E2%80%9D-Ratchet-Spinner> . I can't find a retailer that sells them > (including eBay and Amazon), and the Cornwell site only has an info form > for setting > up > an in-person call from a dealer. My brother is not a professional mechanic, > so that doesn't make any sense. > > > > Suggestions? > > > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 10:36:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B18625846B7 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 10:36:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664A72584614 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 10:36:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hy4so10448749vcb.22 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:37:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=J/6GKKQkCCrLb2j1RCfiVitd2IShcDPtXOBaBfySMYM=; b=n2Vb8lRgdpRkACYtz7vf5sQ5zxcN2E8Qtved8i/veJVcUCK2+QZQ+ccrXyNyo4eKPh ZMEyX0NAL2uAY/xyhqaTJxWqq3puchvEucpoy+UkQSpk9ggPNqShC2X+w5H/GGHcnCg7 1h7d9wqrd8mbSH+f7E4BQFdO9edkbi/l5dvb9jEEcdAcJ2fuftwaFObwNtfOSjy7ON/b ZjP3kHcFlOwl/+6CJfsRv3fEgF6BNqEaFoYADCK9SxxK8y3aSRCHvt2XtioabvX5m+7b 041BJ8tzZWS47QPagJxkuD+p2pYyj4mB/ylcTk086wkMfF7DKe64F3FVXpiQWZVyrLDW LzXg== et1mr1123948vcb.58.1407688647918; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.173.196 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:37:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <02c101cfb4b6$73964830$5ac2d890$@corvairkid.com> From: Miq Millman Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:37:07 -0700 To: Kent Sullivan Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to purchase a Cornwell tool? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.ebay.com/itm/S-G-Tool-Aid-No-13100-Spin-A-Ratchet-3-8-Drive-/251303147391?hash=item3a82d5b77f&item=251303147391&pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr there you go, $8 with shipping -- __ Miq Millman miq@bigllama.com Tualatin, OR Big Llama Productions On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Kent Sullivan wrote: > Hi, > > > > My brother would really like to own a Cornwell RS20 ratchet spinner > < > http://www.cornwelltools.com/webcat/products.php?product=RS20-%252d-3%7B47% > 7D8%E2%80%9D-Ratchet-Spinner> . I can't find a retailer that sells them > (including eBay and Amazon), and the Cornwell site only has an info form > for setting > up > an in-person call from a dealer. My brother is not a professional mechanic, > so that doesn't make any sense. > > > > Suggestions? > > > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 11:48:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5091A25807C4 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 11:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB46258075D for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 11:48:27 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=g3HJh+AvCLgEfGecYZMnFTcj00HUVBHSnLiQ7wWZD1DpdCMKUcXBBRrVU9I+NZik; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.13.240.241] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XGXEp-0006aA-Vq; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:49:00 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 10:47:42 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Kent Sullivan , 'shop-talk' References: <02c101cfb4b6$73964830$5ac2d890$@corvairkid.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to purchase a Cornwell tool? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you are not tied to Cornwell and just want that function for home use, I have a set from harbor Freight that works well. http://www.harborfreight.com/3-piece-thumbwheel-ratchet-set-94011.html Currently on sale for $5.99. It is a 3pc set with 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 sizes. Brian On 8/10/2014 9:16 AM, Kent Sullivan wrote: > Hi, > > > > My brother would really like to own a Cornwell RS20 ratchet spinner > 7D8%E2%80%9D-Ratchet-Spinner> . I can't find a retailer that sells them > (including eBay and Amazon), and the Cornwell site only has an info form > for setting up > an in-person call from a dealer. My brother is not a professional mechanic, > so that doesn't make any sense. > > > > Suggestions? > > > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 12:12:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBA025807F7 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 12:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FD562580565 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 12:12:20 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1407694373; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=n6hrs3UqlPPbdIJo2a9Q1cTeXI71lSw4i4motmnZp7bkpbW9fGvnLm3OCoHR1BPm2 Sry2vDIZuoukCT0WQOYVFa2tyuNnQSNcQDlmJzTjb3ojHqgvCnrgfbmNYDF2/foS3K fa+wBcVqt9rcoYvQW8+8LSnJCFpkSCifldAeBQwQ= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail05.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.145]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABK8RPRZAF8SR6S for (sender ); Sun, 10 Aug 2014 11:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail05.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 18:11:41 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 18:11:41 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to purchase a Cornwell tool? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net +1 on the HF.Cheap, works fine. MB ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Brian Kemp If you are not tied to Cornwell and just want that function for home use, I have a set from harbor Freight that works well. ____________________________________________________________ The End of the "Made-In-China" Era The impossible (but real) technology that could make you impossibly rich. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e7b5f74975735f720adst03vuc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 13:05:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D1C2584711 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:05:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5081225846E8 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:05:09 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1407697543; bh=nzAI+lDCZi+4+oALJ6zlhyimE3zHL8uJ0D8nQn8+j3g=; b=GfbQMENbD0qa+TvvRfS7pcqXJZrvXF2ycAGwcl7OU9AtLZSTdeL5VKheXcB1KjOrMOgjPVFyZwxPM+Snf1o8xg5oJKxeDngxf3dBEF166NqKFQUGgqFcBRbB8eZ28LAhnbmiuKBHTgZ55djW5TmVpTqNw5VLl8PrB4eREgLN5GDtw4Au9Nngdpu6+o2imRcFtjclCSV2CI2wpPlAtAoVP90uRnA+hh0DnydnZ4Csprf/vfvJlFnF4juuqooZorBxhSAC/mCx71lt4F6oqNdd2KwQMqoKTR77hrOXsCR1BHjTOIexXykc6w1jTGrG0dxRVZOCtUi1cXNh8w3bl3+nIA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=sbcglobal.net; b=JucupoaqMR2Xn+3/NzJEqhQIivpwZIURFLuSha6hMO2zO8u9ATsPDLo249NzObRPf93Lj4+bQYyzdG4VthvO+jqbXgmjXnrFRpAkhWG+ZbeymJBxGXnDXasYKl/C4Ofp+dKrl436KriI2oAIQtbd5VD4q+kgBgfAzb8vmo7fwDY3QCGlU5GG1i3OLHKTjiycYh5oQ8iR8y4I6qT+L/IHxZo60mvoE+uPOdiTl/PfNkOjaPPwa25/DFZllbwnywnWyKjc0L7MZpJvGCqNjrkwbLycY6NsiUFXXQlZ+1Gx01XJZpOZ4XgT2GRjZIC9oFTlF3H4/OeX04n0nzE+T9WhVA==; Received: from [98.138.101.131] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2014 19:05:43 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.56] by tm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2014 19:05:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2014 19:05:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1407697543; bh=nzAI+lDCZi+4+oALJ6zlhyimE3zHL8uJ0D8nQn8+j3g=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Importance:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BquLbgKXwK2eSHk4kx6KYoXw0meSEJOpmMlVCtfYpxT/GV4qr1SY1n8iMTYL31IaCMvrAOviNZdM/reTmMjy2a9JqZim2qf50rJ/6xQR02v11Rbd2kiqaLOmqb4RO/9QWuojXkQO6DQlWxaF7PQSKGVcCmzP5rfo1shU2TyguOo= 2SqGFz3cDyxKS.y86kGfG_Ecq0rlsDR5B4jP2EBeb1COJ3V5Ot60VVcKGhts q61fLl_ijcTvsp2FM0nh8pKopeB_OO86v5md95CY93P5dqBNkY02WVx7jcr2 mQ16JzZsHLyH6SBsMpoJDQTTGDxOsn_mJMoPH1Yfrni2uAtaSSSQxh7AP5eM 1rDBMPlPMpc5XQISTN81P6H03ouy_eUKVr8CghkZinunQBI3NH9BJ5q5Kf_q a2mrLLDMBICDgnVAGvpT__zV1VLWehfo94RWwH53n_xU.6cwutCFhdzQrLSd jpKW5dstfIM2e1p_42rcd9q6CFWgcYlu3cA2cPXA4gHsESS8doJnHcuBOEYf 8kV0jWPymsGSyI_qkW9G1_MMfFvywdUcpU5JIog4YvRHCHCas9JyDKqiuXiX FZ3VldYE.ratpYNzMDDeZXMN_f3uslWYgQLn.DPl9tTyfQOS0.4TbASRBtwb _kMx2ngIDQSDlbuInMZbbhG7x8HzEgF4NeOyzpcduzBfqfHDw5x0qBS1GD8J Wk9Q5Pytsa1TRpGsFJVpYNKpOQjhbcVKIN4zcHtt1crtSOS_XGQ-- Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 14:04:30 -0500 From: RandE To: Matt , shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to purchase a Cornwell tool? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Those are different. B The HF item is a small ratchet. B The Cornwell item is basically a short extension with a larger ring to aid in rotating the socket. -------- Original message -------- >From Matt Date: 08/10/2014 1:11 PM (GMT-06:00) To shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject Re: [Shop-talk] How to purchase a Cornwell tool? +1 on the HF.Cheap, works fine. MB ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Brian Kemp If you are not tied to Cornwell and just want that function for home use, I have a set from harbor Freight that works well. ____________________________________________________________ The End of the "Made-In-China" Era The impossible (but real) technology that could make you impossibly rich. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53e7b5f74975735f720adst03vuc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 13:06:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24282584711 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:06:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E1A25846EF for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:06:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0FA2C016B for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:07:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:07:13 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: 'shop-talk' References: <02c101cfb4b6$73964830$5ac2d890$@corvairkid.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to purchase a Cornwell tool? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Handy items. I have one of these and use it quite often: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/181482716692?lpid=82 mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 13:21:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B03C25846F0 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:21:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECA125800B6 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:21:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED7F2C016B for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:21:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 13:21:52 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: 'shop-talk' References: <02c101cfb4b6$73964830$5ac2d890$@corvairkid.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to purchase a Cornwell tool? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Down at Mike's shop he has a set of 1/4 inch drive ones, Sears may have them in 3/8 as well. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 16:44:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE31258088C for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 16:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.active-server.com (mail.active-server.com [206.190.136.116]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A19A25803E6 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 16:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DellOffice (50-46-115-149.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.115.149]) by mail.active-server.com with SMTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:44:01 -0700 From: "Kent Sullivan" To: "'John Innis'" References: <02c101cfb4b6$73964830$5ac2d890$@corvairkid.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:44:00 -0700 Organization: CorvairKid Enterprises Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQGEE6QNDsYyj8xIbDTNNytAaW3tyAJ37OChnE3yM3A= Cc: 'shop-talk' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to purchase a Cornwell tool? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, Ibll give it a try. I have bought from Snap-On and MAC in the past myself, but I didnbt have to go through a bsign up for a visitb processbI just asked them for the cell numbers of guys rolling trucks in my area, and met up with them at some commercial shop they were servicing. Maybe I can get a Cornwell guy to do the same. From: John Innis [mailto:jdinnis@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:30 AM To: Kent Sullivan Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to purchase a Cornwell tool? I have not dealt with Cornwell but I have bought from Snap-On and other outfits that sell the same way. It will vary based on who your local dealer is, but I have found most to be more than willing to work with individuals who just want to buy a few items now and then. It usually helps if you offer to meet the dealer at another of his clients, at a time when he was already planning to be there, so he doesn't have to make a special trip for you. I'd say enter your info on the web site and at least have a chat with the dealer on the phone. On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Kent Sullivan wrote: Hi, My brother would really like to own a Cornwell RS20 ratchet spinner 7D8%E2%80%9D-Ratchet-Spinner> . I can't find a retailer that sells them (including eBay and Amazon), and the Cornwell site only has an info form for setting up an in-person call from a dealer. My brother is not a professional mechanic, so that doesn't make any sense. Suggestions? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 19:21:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78D12584724 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6B625808C2 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 01:21:27 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.161] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 01:21:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 01:21:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 74300 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2014 01:21:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1407720086; bh=5C0ojKkqaeNE2tAFy5DzwSKhAE/t5jLHLe48Jn0hcTw=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=umbVenYextUdekR2CCqUyC7G6M9hUc9H5LBg85OokVmvkHz2Hhg2108/YWwl794ZMFV2rXL2MnCgjMPQw16YXBu3V9gMX+h8zyJbCPk7tkm2HRZwILLdPhAlKtTPp+IYSnp4/WY8s6yBSYh6Cu4fAa/VNRNwcfRkRZLvewH7sv0= y0fFYVWV.4zO6Q6e.UNpoHxRip8B7DLQTEImxfenKIE0Z7YmCOwCkbPhWOr9 UM2vc5y958RCSftjvi5.MZnrvKomnxdM9xVjk59AczlQ6_ll58oDcENXZMCV 4JTDRaxUfyCXz5v739R9SfN6eimMNv7.kuU2qoeQZN1DVB95KeuF.MLWrK6s Ynob6Su4Ko_0zeT.lLCCc4dzNqj9X3NGBEBkQtuefbj9jx3XB8oEz4D03Tkh y.J6dr4loH8jlbo0zgRkfDdC7YxayJS_H5Ge3Q7AgJJ0yYm9_oigbcjIQH8b 0zIEOoTzTVkPlTPgfx4gJjtmP7WtlqdlqWbryALQggwSt1bV2N9c_OJVHSHG JobcGOw5VYJ9dwz31RnpScB_TJ8Oe36JvSJvMnNrboF0_EmdefLeYvSF.S9d C47Gti9adj1scbIaPKZmCfWsEVz_eMWa6Zt7z6ox82sKf0VuBQ8opLB.zleX Nk9QM3zF.wwRmX0r1WptrNDI7MblqdusKBuBjgA2PYObaNZpu_65G.RP3eq2 V3kHNYkhXUxABfhVjMw-- Received: from [107.129.136.200] by web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 18:21:26 PDT SGVsbG8gYWxsLAoKSSBuZWVkIHNvbWUgaW5wdXQgb24gYSBuZXcgd2lyZWxlc3Mgcm91dGVyLsKgIAoKQmFja2dyb3VuZDrCoCBCdXlpbmcgYSBuZXcgdG8gbWUgaG9tZS7CoCBOZWVkIGEgbmV3IFdpZmkgcm91dGVyLsKgIElTUCB3aWxsIGJlIENoYXJ0ZXIgY2FibGUuwqAgSnVzdCBib3VnaHQgYSBuZXcgU2Ftc3VuZyA1NSIgVFYuwqAgRmlyc3QgVFYgSSd2ZSBib3VnaHQgd2l0aCBidWlsdCBpbiBXaUZpIGZvciBOZXRmbHgvSHVsdSBQbHVzLCBBbWF6b24gUHJpbWUsIGV0Yy7CoCBUaGUgVFYgaGFzIHRoZSABMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 18:21:26 -0700 From: David Cole To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] WiFi Router Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello all, I need some input on a new wireless router. Background: Buying a new to me home. Need a new Wifi router. ISP will be Charter cable. Just bought a new Samsung 55" TV. First TV I've bought with built in WiFi for Netflx/Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime, etc. The TV has the 802.11 N spec. The latest and greatest routers are backwards compliant with the "N" spec, but also have the newest 802.11 AC. Is there anything to gain by getting the fastest available? The new "AC" routers tend to run double the price ($200 ish for the best) I don't have any equipment at this time that operates with the "AC" The top of the line units are in the 1900 mbps when you combine the 2 bands, but 1300 of that is on the "AC" 5GHz band, so that leaves a max of 600 mbps for the "N" I need a WiFi router that can handle a laptop, several iPhones, and TV at the same time. Desktop will be hard wired in. Signal strength needs to be tops as well. 1900 sq ft + 1200 sq ft finished living area in basement. Basement garage + detached shop/garage. I want it to be able reach the shop. About 50 ft from the router/desktop in the house, through a brick wall + cinder block+ brick on the shop. Brands? Models? Thanks David Cole _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 22:12:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E956A25848A9 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 22:12:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B91425802EB for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 22:12:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 04:13:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.227] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 04:13:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 04:13:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 84776 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2014 04:13:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1407730391; bh=gOuMyX9UoyS+3+et1J4ugqO123GvI51HDAFi2i1dyWE=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xnUy2HH5ii3uXu5yANunkPENDJN4UZee6EDyfg/uQkKC7blVtB9XxPgWf3MmjWP+OFtSMxLKJIHGF33SV59QSwtiH3wzARgPdbPynSUEIYvh/D1MSsMqdSDuyp15Xg2nJrhtcpWbg2YsjdCcNZ5+qxbornlnCVr+m8YPP6Zcnrc= dG_4gqKa9dplobYk3hMkTDIe574qPEra9TUX3cbF3JjRNYKsyrinVG8mKoaG M6ycVc1xB6X9ctAvN8JgSyQZZpLhPgu8jnyzfHWTfPWlDkQ6_S2XXC3i2vpd BWmGZEoqDCIJ5XSFdhxnMqqTAy3dUaL3RyxLjBT1gpEsqqjk49fbCebzwpJM HDmDNhYK17unA6.Z5IanI9V6NH2ILsnrULBkouUk9kSBEpuu0TlYzrju6Qmh v94ma0WgBUqtOCtel6NVnC9rM6RGz3UZ9QCfdbMK50_sKm0_Zh1Q.Czi4QR4 pzkLtd6CVmNauGTc0_XWg8.XYFDmBMAcOYFR7dLYtlSa8csu.BgzhYyw6wv6 rJypt676rTC13wslMwdbmEiPxRRhZZizlEojtacPAMjChxk.z7pANelBwRzK ke0LycsydwAFCE7bQcRaTpbXgTZQ3KYEghUHq.eReorv3zkXOUF8VYnAhQrQ TZi18SztuyU1dSovj8u1Gichzaylrbz8v6buYrL9K Received: from [66.229.29.9] by web162106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 21:13:10 PDT SSB3ZW50IHdpdGggQVNVUyBiZWNhdXNlIGl0IHdhcyB0aGUgY2hlYXBlc3QgcmVmdXJiLiBUaGV5IGhhdmUgYmVlbiBzdGVhZGlseSBpbXByb3ZpbmcgdGhlIGZpcm13YXJlLCBidXQgdGhlIGxhc3QgdXBkYXRlIEkgZGlkbid0IGxpa2UgdGhlIFdJRkkgZHJvcHMsIHNvIEkgd2VudCBiYWNrIHRvIHRoZSBwcmV2aW91cyB2ZXJzaW9uLiBCZWZvcmUgSSB1cGdyYWRlZCB0byB0aGUgbmV3IHJvdXRlciwgSSB3YXMgbG9vc2luZyAyME1icHMgZG93bmxvYWQgd2l0aCB0aGUgb2xkIE4gcm91dGVyLiBZb3VyIGRvd24BMAEBAQE- References: <1407720086.9515.YahooMailNeo@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 21:13:10 -0700 From: Battmain To: Shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] WiFi Router Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I went with ASUS because it was the cheapest refurb. They have been steadily improving the firmware, but the last update I didn't like the WIFI drops, so I went back to the previous version. Before I upgraded to the new router, I was loosing 20Mbps download with the old N router. Your download speed will determine if you need to go high end or if you can wait. The security on the new router is also a little higher than the old Linksys. I had to forward more ports than the old one to get all my remote stuff working, but nothing major. It was pretty easy actually and most of the standard ports have been closed now. I gave my aunt the old linksys and it is plugging away at her place at the max speed she has, so again, it depends on your download speed if you should shell out the money. 26Mbps or lower and you should be fine on the old stuff, with 100Mb ports. Anything higher and I'd suggest going with 1Gb ports on the router. I've split some devices to the 5Ghz wifi, while others go to the 2.4Ghz and all have static IP. Nothing I have yet runs AC, but hopefully with some Christmas sales, I'll have something to test that with. I actually disabled it in the router. Most of the forums posts I've seen show the TV gets better video with a cable connection. I can attest to that with the laptop. The speed is much much better transferring across the cable, than with WIFI. If I have a few GBs of stuff to copy, I plug in the cable. It cuts the time drastically. As for range, there was noticeable improvement with three antennas, instead of two, but I've actually lowered the transmit power of both, to reduce the heat level. This thing runs hot! Dunno if it will work for your application, but you can always recycle some beer cans to improve the signal to the shop. :) Brian >________________________________ > From: David Cole >To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" >Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:21 PM >Subject: [Shop-talk] WiFi Router > > >Hello all, > >I need some input on a new wireless router. > >Background: Buying >a new to me home. Need a new Wifi router. ISP will be Charter cable. Just >bought a new Samsung 55" TV. First TV I've bought with built in WiFi for >Netflx/Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime, etc. The TV has the 802.11 N spec. The >latest and greatest routers are backwards compliant with the "N" spec, but >also have the newest 802.11 AC. > >Is there anything to gain by getting the >fastest available? The new "AC" routers tend to run double the price ($200 >ish for the best) I don't have any equipment at this time that operates with >the "AC" The top of the line units are in the 1900 mbps when you combine the >2 bands, but 1300 of that is on the "AC" 5GHz band, so that leaves a max of >600 mbps for the "N" > > >I need a WiFi router that can handle a laptop, several >iPhones, and TV at the same time. Desktop will be hard wired in. Signal >strength needs to be tops as well. 1900 sq ft + 1200 sq ft finished living >area in basement. Basement garage + detached shop/garage. I want it to be >able reach the shop. About 50 ft from the router/desktop in the house, >through a brick wall + cinder block+ brick on the shop. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 07:24:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A192584A23 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 07:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f182.google.com (mail-ig0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205BE258071F for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 07:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f182.google.com with SMTP id c1so4222646igq.3 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:22:15 -0700 (PDT) s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=nWb34hZUsoWluRRvAKqiVum5PXWnnl1tCXCFcbiLAkw=; b=hqjTN3GzYv/WkMv1piGlIFiL0k7lYXtQzVc92l1KyL6dMaH5i/I6h/ZKnif2thuS0T BWDAUnUuEhqY6NdWstuP5uL9oCThGtJNxCsJ18VF3rzCdEyZ/+E7dNYw2s0boJptEJjQ 63il/lk6x3fqwz/iIjZoUaZTA12VohCqL/W1c= d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=nWb34hZUsoWluRRvAKqiVum5PXWnnl1tCXCFcbiLAkw=; b=ceMH6gk0jW6r2/8tjqk6yGuFeWhkVihiL9xn4q2MhJHitJ7Df3X3UMC1eVihk3PVK0 IVA53S3/qnFNBA+n5iFN4MqqDcZmNPlXCNyF+JLEAAmOVgvHfdtT1hB9j/sxQ0/9ahsy f5aK7g6eAhGxsOQt1nk1IQwET5A0PuMPvzMsUr/Iy900wSiyFs8VfE76AdgEoJQkB+qF IIu92tkn3a+q7air+GVNs8KI127CVEKvLiLBOxqB9kW+cw5KeYfsGmZWpTlshkZxjht+ zBPIls/+TnNGQ6Kvq2rXRCNegBQrFMQ0jAdYnojDtWIkJyfLUee+kI8WFH+6eecOef2f /JdA== k12mr32492985icl.18.1407763335091; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.15.10 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:22:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <1407720086.9515.YahooMailNeo@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 09:22:15 -0400 From: Ian McFetridge To: David Cole Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] WiFi Router Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net For me, location of the router was key. I was having issues with mine and after optimizing the channels I moved it from the basement to the first floor and got 80% there with signal. Then i experimented moving it around on the first floor (bought a 50ft ethernet cable from Monoprice) until I got the signal and throughput I wanted. I then spent time running a hardline through the walls to that location (cat 6e, not using the 50ft cable now). Coincidentally, I'm moving into a new-to-me house this week and will have to go through this all over again! I only have N, Linksys N900, so I won't comment on AC. - Ian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 12:17:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97C2258510B for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 12:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5732580A15 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 12:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dSzX1o0040SCNGk53WHbfH; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:17:35 +0000 Received: from SpiffAWesome2.technologist.com ([174.55.52.221]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dWHZ1o00B4mMREN3VWHZVZ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:17:34 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:17:22 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Richard Beels References: <02c101cfb4b6$73964830$5ac2d890$@corvairkid.com> s=q20140121; t=1407781055; bh=2etD/IjbBUsEeZHaIBJyFfQFLnkj/jkfWjfpyJq3cyM=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type; b=oqD7q2A98bW2yXHR/8mSKOS/hho/uG+0zN1IBSOTfetiiuxkImLq9Hyh1tSIwXSAU MiznO1gSKTfI37CE7a+TAzEmyiV5nZ9HexUGyJYyftUb3c+ZuoC+yo1Ugt73hWxQcY fZpuVJnK9npy7iEDrLENhAZQBHBPMKLaIXbicT3mYk8u2BR0HUIv715Xe/s6Yy9TIM iaRUtvrQ5AsFB6wNBcy6QmOaljaaS0ZlEtEI0HzZ3Up9+aRahwSFRoD7Cx8mDpfrmC wyd2WpDp2hhdFf9b4gsEiSvYadNqIW1zmual2L8RZHH3icOzNxogzinNPNkiOnqZfl QqrCcw8mV3e6Q== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] How to purchase a Cornwell tool? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Cornwell is a truck tool brand. They're in OH, so give them a ring and ask for your local dealer. They should be able to tell you that much. Or call your local SnapOn/Mac/Matco and ask for the Cornwell guy "because you need to warranty something". Tool truck guys are pretty cool, they should have a number - as long as you don't call them at home. ;-) That said, that tool isn't a Cornwell in-house tool, it's a rebrand and the ebay item is the same thing. The packaging looks old enough that it might even be Made in USA. The Cornwell tool almost certainly isn't (if that matters to you). At 08/10/2014 at 12:16, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Kent Sullivan's keyboard and said: >Hi, > > > >My brother would really like to own a Cornwell RS20 ratchet spinner >7D8%E2%80%9D-Ratchet-Spinner> . I can't find a retailer that sells them >(including eBay and Amazon), and the Cornwell site only has an info form > for setting up >an in-person call from a dealer. My brother is not a professional mechanic, >so that doesn't make any sense. > > > >Suggestions? Cheers! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 07:48:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74231258459B for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 07:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060CC2580783 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 07:48:38 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1408024154; bh=Ll0/MrM8Hy/uGJXBqinxHlSSUMQQvRVWmdoO36/q4WA=; b=qtdcwJVPyur8cfjy9efVjX5B1FdMYC5GX6z2fSQftACkfe1D5lAIr7iuPyl5hgM0XPEvhE0/vs1Hgi3H1WBt98X5w8SfYE7HIRXVWXoLg5zLCtZ3dBb8hjnIBkUKhNxql7xsx6kyFBom4us9OEeWSpyNaPK7rYRd1CLycVkk5sL43NJ6tF3YmASn924P4HRm4+vlhsk3qqUg4CgVDHVTDbQ0DrItPsgxOlrketHfSc/RzIGO9kvea3aIfhNuH/0CZ31dRAgMy9ISPywBt+E31kynJUwWqrQFM2S4CsE86NFkHdIprLUe9P5GvcLprcD39cIoPziSbsoAkqL9XWSQcQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=att.net; b=GqvJDJYhbcdUzxGRzS3dN52B/pHyTllZOZ2Wxnf4QRdbyC4iccaYrlRzej9ELejwZqfvdO8uonvXP5zl8zkBNlQWk+zCgqU1z75z/us79jDaX0JBKY+a4xudoht15ne4cfwQPkF//quUpJn7JmR7BxbpZWoCudb0CoIT1o/YKcP6Fuj4CmrmXRXxazyi1V53lzLuYjIYu+Fy7yAQvbFpzPmOybaBVgjRDS3nDNBaKB7ORD8kaFrPcdz3L05TBwxkSZ9OEG7nG3Nn/jObWSUIjgFKynPRCvItQFF9eQjQFq24/Gr0I/7CxcW3QH4nZBugD5dDNAUJcPrO5ErNJbyJ5Q==; Received: from [66.196.81.156] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 13:49:14 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.98] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 13:49:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 13:49:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1408024154; bh=Ll0/MrM8Hy/uGJXBqinxHlSSUMQQvRVWmdoO36/q4WA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=Ny1H6ZV4My0yK3dbkPQsaMS/CngriGG58IaiEy6Y2oK2hBIE0I+8452pPLxnooOrCcvHARSP4OalfcyOIj/EF2bgcbLBIdhvRZ2sKOLo/Mf0zJiMwoG/XIiFE3B5uINyPwAxo4I49t5uam+DcFBENj6tmKnJ/jU1uH9zF857cOc= Nn74lpbAyiffg0y2WYaiCZaQU_p22N_goo7WZLOwuTLzcbDH3ExxQaStoV9y Ci.rkofhC28aTYmmxvLIKG3qBrO0YY.gBZzIr57kO7.Xsl3TPkILTYF1JIOK krV6sl0KI9PhaAS0U7KSaLQInPxUun1YkJeNqkYMe5F3gzq0vC6G8dt4XNc5 dHyu_v9bLrBwqBzT8JE78LJsxkN4RyvRC3ZsSP6wbGNscVDC1.TgyQ90juYv CowLHT6b1v7D3SonFwNCInByDBtp6pBLpCC0xxmasxMTokGgizLl.vOZAmqV W3YydAzNyJbGKUoJFQP9paTCrIJ8FQoL7I7fKKzudW0iy56zLLbV8KS9Zq.K yIr1uIEgjDwZX3y53IV8JbBkpqyjl0l3bjAokTwI3TPWFAJOkmEe7M55gKFl gzgP.aiYagSKdvsl.E8E.04hAtvq3GR9Qjo_II0GwOEf0fRyhBpr1S7.J.UR 89PfvtK1kW6mDrck3_MOXacsBOPYPLxcFRPSlC4iAkQ.VCGL_67pWPX.vcHF RxuD0sPGXJ14aHJ2wzung.AfxELaemkd5Qg-- From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:49:29 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net sometimes in the shop, I'm working on a 'bench' project and would like to watch video's or movies while working... there are episodes of tv shows I've missed that I'd like to download to my p.c. and watch when I can. I tried Amazon but they have no option for downloading to a pc and watching off line later.. or so they say... I can download it to my Kindle Fire (if I had one) or to my X-box (if I had that) but nothing to a generic p.c.... any of you guys do the download stuff with tv episodes successfully ??? I use U-verse but they don't do CBS shows (in particular) in there On-demand system... is there another service on the net that I can use... I don't mind paying for what I want, if I could find it... thanks John --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 13:38:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782EE2584E8A for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC2S4.hotmail.com (col004-omc2s4.hotmail.com [65.55.34.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744BC2580BD3 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:38:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W48 ([65.55.34.73]) by COL004-OMC2S4.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:38:56 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:38:56 -0400 References: <4044317CEEE54AE9903010573DC910CA@john5043a2d406> FILETIME=[6335A960:01CFB7F7] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I guess it depends which tv shows, but Hulu is one place you can subscribe and watch content on a PC. If your shows are on HBO and you subscribe to it, then HBO On demand can be streamed to a PC as well. Then there's youtube, you *might* find some good tv shows on there, though I'm not sure to what extent they are supposed to be there per copyright. There have to be many other good options as well, just not aware of them. PJ > From: jniolon@att.net > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:49:29 -0500 > Subject: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop > > sometimes in the shop, I'm working on a 'bench' project and would like to > watch video's or movies while working... there are episodes of tv shows I've > missed that I'd like to download to my p.c. and watch when I can. > > I tried Amazon but they have no option for downloading to a pc and watching > off line later.. or so they say... I can download it to my Kindle Fire (if I > had one) or to my X-box (if I had that) but nothing to a generic p.c.... > > any of you guys do the download stuff with tv episodes successfully ??? I use > U-verse but they don't do CBS shows (in particular) in there On-demand > system... is there another service on the net that I can use... I don't mind > paying for what I want, if I could find it... > > thanks > John > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 13:43:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383082580731 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:43:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f41.google.com (mail-yh0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4F125805BE for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:43:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f41.google.com with SMTP id b6so1482984yha.0 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:44:25 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=E7qRnHE0qrt18HKqQJ5TXJmtrLREBY6OPNYr2XcUk2U=; b=HlFsck9c/pXpl97Wigk6uohW3zao/nlk36wA8Qx6SMjTC8XptEcKzDdTGkbGaGv5mN GFajQKfmChbFu2/PKxe7BaH9QQY02lXPxqKwHjnkQ2lJhEXFn50UIfZ3AW90wvBrNL54 xWYe79q9WMdMDwdPksYSH5bYgdpoFDkBGUMTMjrHjbW503lnPseEoKv4QBHpWv0d5bSJ OuGZO7A0vv9/+GwpukbldnQzEu7hHqFI7wGqpUSL/ySg02Z3OZZ3zLgfJIb/JHfBpS2r JgRvucj1Yzv6EYvRVOH26j6E2LutAifSjYY6EWdngb8Avoov4Yyr1p5SKvXmln9QP92i SPbw== i9mr20278421yhd.139.1408045465342; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.212.197 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:44:25 -0700 (PDT) References: <4044317CEEE54AE9903010573DC910CA@john5043a2d406> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:44:25 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Did you try "torrenting"? it works for my daughter... Doug > > > > sometimes in the shop, I'm working on a 'bench' project and would like to > > watch video's or movies while working... there are episodes of tv shows > I've > > missed that I'd like to download to my p.c. and watch when I can. > > > > I tried Amazon but they have no option for downloading to a pc and > watching > > off line later.. or so they say... I can download it to my Kindle Fire > (if > I > > had one) or to my X-box (if I had that) but nothing to a generic p.c.... > > > > any of you guys do the download stuff with tv episodes successfully ??? > I > use > > U-verse but they don't do CBS shows (in particular) in there On-demand > > system... is there another service on the net that I can use... I don't > mind > > paying for what I want, if I could find it... > > > > thanks > > John _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 14:20:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57322584EC1 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A6F2584E30 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:20:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:21:22 -0700 id 00000000002800AF.0000000053ED1A42.00002B89 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:20:51 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <4044317CEEE54AE9903010573DC910CA@john5043a2d406> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/14/2014 12:44 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > Did you try "torrenting"? > > it works for my daughter... Yes, but... a) You will find a lot of content out there, some legally there, much not. b) Trolling for copyright violators on BitTorrent trackers has replaced ambulance-chasing as the lazy lawyer's revenue generator. It's essentially extortion-as-Nigerian-spam, and while they may not ever get any money out of you, your ISP doesn't like getting those letters. Though if your taste in downloads runs toward 'Well-Oiled Snap-On Girls #26' they might get a good laugh out of the video titles. c) Therefore, if you intend to step into the torrents, even if you are intending to download only content you *believe* to be legit, you may want to find a good encrypted tunnel service (preferably one that at least credibly claims not to keep any logging e.g. privateinternetaccess) to use just to prevent mistakes from becoming takedown-letter-bait. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 14:34:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974302584F41 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12F1258043D for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:33:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:34:15 -0700 id 00000000002800AF.0000000053ED1D47.00002CB4 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:33:44 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <4044317CEEE54AE9903010573DC910CA@john5043a2d406> <53ED1A23.6070901@milleredp.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/14/2014 1:20 PM, John Miller wrote: > On 8/14/2014 12:44 PM, Doug Braun wrote: >> Did you try "torrenting"? >> >> it works for my daughter... > > Yes, but... Oh, and d) Letting teen-to-twentysomething-aged relatives stay with you and engage in bareback bittorrent on your network can result in some interesting communication with your ISP. Corporate IT departments go to certain lengths to implement IDS/IPS rules that stomp on bittorrent traffic whenever they find it, for good reason, but I hadn't expected to need that at home... John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 17:34:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80AA92584EE1 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 17:34:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5858525806B9 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 17:34:12 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZlR3s1cwnysbhYPNtBGTo+kZlhut0N0HVF+vv3CL6qLoHw8+gno90VzpAQwWpPMD; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.10.156.248] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XI4Xg-0006qY-3I; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 19:34:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:33:27 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: John Niolon , shop-talk References: <4044317CEEE54AE9903010573DC910CA@john5043a2d406> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net John - For the future, if you want to build up an inventory, you can add a tv tuner card to your PC and record with Windows Media Center - either from cable or over the air. I have a Hauppauge dual tuner card, so can record two programs while watching a third that was already recorded. Windows Media Center has a program guide and you can set it to record various series. Functionality looks similar to what I see others do with their cable TV DVRs. All the files are in .wtv (Windows TV) format, which play on Windows 7 and I assume newer formats. You can copy the files easily between computers over a network or external drive. A 2 hour HD program runs about 13GB. If you like the files and want to use outside of Windows, Windows Movie Maker can convert them to the .wmv format, though it takes long enough that you want to start and let run. With kids and their schedules, I pretty much never watch live TV. The other nice thing you can do is play in a fast mode, so if you can stand people talking a little faster, you can watch a half hour program in 15 minutes, skipping commercials. It takes a little to get used to, but now regular speed TV seems too slow most of the time. I'm also fortunate to be in the Los Angeles area, so I get quite a few options over the air. Many of the digital sub-channels run movies and older programs, so you may want to check and see what is free over the air. A good place to check is http://www.titantv.com/ If you are into documentaries, there are many good channels on Youtube. If you have Firefox, you can add the Download Helper extension and download them to your PC as a file that you can also move to your shop computer. Download Helper may work on some TV programs from the network sites, but I've found most have a way to block it. If you have network or good wireless to the shop, you can also get a little box to stream. I don't know current technology, so will avoid any recommendation here. Brian On 8/14/2014 6:49 AM, John Niolon wrote: > sometimes in the shop, I'm working on a 'bench' project and would like to > watch video's or movies while working... there are episodes of tv shows I've > missed that I'd like to download to my p.c. and watch when I can. > > I tried Amazon but they have no option for downloading to a pc and watching > off line later.. or so they say... I can download it to my Kindle Fire (if I > had one) or to my X-box (if I had that) but nothing to a generic p.c.... > > any of you guys do the download stuff with tv episodes successfully ??? I use > U-verse but they don't do CBS shows (in particular) in there On-demand > system... is there another service on the net that I can use... I don't mind > paying for what I want, if I could find it... > > thanks > John > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 20:42:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0857A2584FB0 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E78625845B8 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eqZN1o0041wpRvQ59qid2S; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 02:42:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eqid1o00E06FvTL3eqidEq; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 02:42:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:42:38 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: PJ McGarvey , Shop Talk References: <4044317CEEE54AE9903010573DC910CA@john5043a2d406> s=q20140121; t=1408070557; bh=W/XyI8pUdMnMpDXSNSnzB5VM5AnpUQibpRphESwigYg=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=e/hjFe4Cja8s/8/8oMk9VqLS0ebnS6/IT9mzPch9sIRfxUDIpruIlZXk+fm1R8Llu Q+zdkQRGzCG/GD9n6ACMv+uGywDPEikVHDxNag33oFS0yLYp8HCPSi/lM10fzA8jl/ MwB6JJ6NO4tp3sKiA+muBGh7E3BiEPU+PI1dSiiAbV3HBF+rK7oeQJqdXdDXmu0g2H FlQXUtm07seBo590W+GxC9aBxpUCBlOmuFsLP1ByJeNQq+7svyK/Kzm6XwfbCxKvqS UQl3FFf04Qxt6m6CluzjMowwEtnbiDF8nPCK607qvM2o1e3R2S8XusbjxIfMpc7Psw +xZnN1LnGQIaA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/14/2014 3:38 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > I guess it depends which tv shows, but Hulu is one place you can subscribe and > watch content on a PC. If your shows are on HBO and you subscribe to it, then > HBO On demand can be streamed to a PC as well. Hulu is good for current season, NetFlix for past seasons. I'd go with a streaming box like AppleTV or Roku. Many of the cable channels can stream to these devices using your cable subscription, except Comcast which can stream to mobile devices but not Roku, they only allow AppleTV. I actually watch TV in the garage using a 9 inch android tablet. I made a stand and have a pair of computer speakers. I also use the speakers with an older MP3 player. > Then there's youtube, you *might* find some good tv shows on there, though I'm > not sure to what extent they are supposed to be there per copyright. There > have to be many other good options as well, just not aware of them. > PJ > >> From: jniolon@att.net >> To: shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:49:29 -0500 >> Subject: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop >> >> sometimes in the shop, I'm working on a 'bench' project and would like to >> watch video's or movies while working... there are episodes of tv shows > I've >> missed that I'd like to download to my p.c. and watch when I can. >> >> I tried Amazon but they have no option for downloading to a pc and watching >> off line later.. or so they say... I can download it to my Kindle Fire (if > I >> had one) or to my X-box (if I had that) but nothing to a generic p.c.... >> >> any of you guys do the download stuff with tv episodes successfully ??? I > use >> U-verse but they don't do CBS shows (in particular) in there On-demand >> system... is there another service on the net that I can use... I don't > mind >> paying for what I want, if I could find it... >> >> thanks >> John >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 06:42:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21CB2584451 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 06:42:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 247D725804D3 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 06:42:10 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1408106565; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=ZFskwNCVdmexPGPEPI3YFdBTI9iVwSDwUpueGGvlgCtdZqqdrW4TEA1zDRlgQDY0J MX2YZ/C0uX8YunhNt8Ud7PeVBTjhpSTeJrIC0Rqi7wshafqrFQUcy3S43R7TJeGSVD Gjcc776IGOA33UVxSWFb/bdBlNKC9YLaXJXCK7sc= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail04.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.144]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABK86ABNAKXZX4S for (sender ); Fri, 15 Aug 2014 05:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail04.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:41:08 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:41:08 GMT Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Here is another source for streaming back episodes of various shows: http://projectfree.tv/ SO far, this has worked great for me but I ONLY stream the shows.I think John was looking primarily for something he could download.This site may well offer download, but you probably need a strong antivirus capability! YMMV Matt > From: jniolon@att.net > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 > Subject: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop > > sometimes in the shop, I'm working on a 'bench' project and would like to > watch video's or movies while working... there are episodes of tv shows I've > missed that I'd like to download to my p.c. and watch when I can. > > thanks > John ____________________________________________________________ The End of the "Made-In-China" Era The impossible (but real) technology that could make you impossibly rich. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53ee002c957982c4254st03vuc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 07:16:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8790E2584634 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 07:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11812258053B for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 07:16:01 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:04:49 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/15/2014 09:04:51, Serialize complete at 08/15/2014 09:04:51 Subject: [Shop-talk] Funny Craigslist ad Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net For those of you who need a laugh today (yes, it's shop related) or those who need a cir-saw... http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/stl/4535596079.html Warning, put coffee down before opening. 8>) Enjoy Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 07:35:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590F22584571 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 07:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f174.google.com (mail-yk0-f174.google.com [209.85.160.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823A725806D6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 07:35:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yk0-f174.google.com with SMTP id q9so2069470ykb.19 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 06:36:14 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=o4zMHnr794iiLe4wiN+vX7v3IaPabURF9uZEu7sr+kE=; b=art4FtLwTtuVhXZLj81sJqo1lT+TetJM6Oo65qWjONSHZO+n3yFu9fuDwAxcGoezsT xSyXJKkqVQQedo/I31ONuzc07tvYANY2Qbiy1mnIVB+63hxPqiufrDij2D8qvA0sAYe6 rVr45YNL/nI1Fm+njy0UFFtqFEGggFpVU/HFBWbnG4xZ6B+P6qP46W8Wi7xCwqx96Omd iIIaX/ohd66nD3p+IWPykumSycAH55gesjTMFYaAq6wqYkf1pLbBOxAMSxb+nCqnbwzj Aw1A24qxm1kFtlRXW3ZEbRt3fwE9Bt+k+gxJFBMS+WprFDc0qp4FpXWFIsdi+lIjCKzv CV/A== p41mr27552579yhi.73.1408109773937; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 06:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.212.197 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 06:36:13 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:36:13 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Funny Craigslist ad Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This one is even better: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/htf/4342035361.html On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 9:04 AM, wrote: > For those of you who need a laugh today (yes, it's shop related) or those > who need a cir-saw... > > > http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/stl/4535596079.html _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 16:36:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03182580A09 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 16:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A7C832580607 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 16:35:18 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1408228554; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=SxWMdhx5sdzmlw4vPHDfQEUcTvUaqlSHYkBTDIkrqkcz10K9UTD4GiulLYWJ6vjDk Z382Va6mHmAzG3D0FJX0oQZoPkpMDHAbDKQBb3zTQ3A/cWKg1UIivnPtJ07U/IAl8U JPjhjoek9y59IZXkxUNpAyx27TU/FioLnZFi9mIU= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail10.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.150]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABK89ZF5A6NBZXA for (sender ); Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail10.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:34:54 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:34:54 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Phone batteries that is. I know some of you guys are very knowledgeable in this area so here goes: We have a fairly inexpensive set of wireless phones for the house and one by one they have stopped charging.I assume the batteries are shot and it is time to decide whether to replace the batteries or just get a new system.I have located inexpensive battery packs (BT-1007 2.4V 500mah) but they seem to come in both nicad or nimh. The ones in the phones currently are nicad.Are these interchangeable? Before I hit send, I think I will see what the charging stands are putting out - 2 showed 14.5V and one showed 12V.Maybe it isn't just the batteries... Thanks,Matt ____________________________________________________________ The End of the "Made-In-China" Era The impossible (but real) technology that could make you impossibly rich. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53efdcbcfff5cbb5266st03vuc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 19:00:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A60D2580A1A for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 19:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE0C2580A0F for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 19:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fctG1o0031smiN4A9d0seA; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 01:00:52 +0000 Received: from BigBlack ([98.237.220.205]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fd0r1o0024SVr6A8gd0rCd; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 01:00:51 +0000 From: "Bob Kegel" To: References: <20140816.183454.13094.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 18:00:41 -0700 s=q20140121; t=1408237252; bh=VgOUnG3zgndbgz/tA8h66xz2TIibyuzHP3ef5DZeCRw=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VC+yaLG48LrdurgPRJKHTUXqJXkmLNRjjppG1fh3+OwV5TILQlrS8EuQ+u9USQDPT AhI3j/R4zj1CScBXzUc+zFxa0zJ4LrkBvrMcPfTlPFVZesfjIYLzHkwYL9JJZVw/AJ 3VY0aKGofnwAfOhshg/oRC9RgdU4G2yJVM8uWvRwUgRTbUvxXrooZEIWXcd/gPBHVn 13lb1HtKVx6J683TKn4uN5yRic6iO838ZELgTFhrWGL7ybNDpKbH75fZhcM4XC4WBA wFhx0iP2lWKpsKy/DlTl+YcF6Js/yL/lQpzBCTP+g51yKZ9sMwWHPasH7M//Wv7T/R g8DyPahHecuYg== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm running both ni-cad and ni-mh BT-1007 batteries in our Uniden cordless phones. Can't tell any difference. Bob K _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 20:16:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583352580A2A for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S8.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s8.hotmail.com [65.55.111.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0278E2580A14 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:15:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU436-SMTP181 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S8.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Sat, 16 Aug 2014 19:16:29 -0700 Received: from Antec300 ([75.165.119.150]) by BLU436-SMTP181.smtp.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(8.0.9200.16384); Sat, 16 Aug 2014 19:16:27 -0700 From: Jack Brooks To: References: <20140816.183454.13094.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 19:16:21 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+5oovmOQtJqzPgQPC95MDE/0xYugAHdJtQ FILETIME=[406E7080:01CFB9C1] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ni-Cad and NiMH are close enough to swap out in a trickle charge environment. NiMH are better typically higher density charge batteries. The way to be sure they are not getting overcharged is to leave them on the base for a few days and see if the batteries are getting warm. NiMH will shed the excess energy in the form of heat. A little warm is OK. Getting hot is a problem. If they get more than just warm to the touch, your base charges at too high a rate and you should consider changing back to Ni-cad. If the batteries are loose cells, not packs, I have had good success with Harbor Freight NiMH batteries. Catch them on sale or with a 20% coupon and they are amazingly inexpensive. You can make battery packs with a powerful soldering gun, but only if you are really comfortable soldering, as it must be done fast and hot to avoid damaging the batteries. -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2014 3:35 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery question Phone batteries that is. I know some of you guys are very knowledgeable in this area so here goes: We have a fairly inexpensive set of wireless phones for the house and one by one they have stopped charging.I assume the batteries are shot and it is time to decide whether to replace the batteries or just get a new system.I have located inexpensive battery packs (BT-1007 2.4V 500mah) but they seem to come in both nicad or nimh. The ones in the phones currently are nicad.Are these interchangeable? Before I hit send, I think I will see what the charging stands are putting out - 2 showed 14.5V and one showed 12V.Maybe it isn't just the batteries... Thanks,Matt ____________________________________________________________ The End of the "Made-In-China" Era The impossible (but real) technology that could make you impossibly rich. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53efdcbcfff5cbb5266st03vuc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibrooks@live.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 11:21:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B55725844D0 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3939C25807C1 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:21:13 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:10:23 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/17/2014 13:10:01, Serialize complete at 08/17/2014 13:10:01 Subject: [Shop-talk] Snap on Pressure washer warrantee Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone know what the warrantee on Snap-ons Pressure washer? I have one and it doesn't work at all. I'm guessing its the GFI plug, but I can't test it without opening up the unit. I have no problem doing that, but if they have a full warrantee on this item as well, I don't want to void it by opening it up. It's fairly new and there is no signs of breakage or anything. If there is anyone that can ask their Snap on guy or something? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 16:59:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA182584A66 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:59:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S34.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s34.hotmail.com [65.55.111.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7C22584537 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W94 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S34.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:58:02 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:58:01 -0500 References: FILETIME=[B27BF230:01CFBA6E] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Snap on Pressure washer warrantee Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Did you contact snap-on direct? A quick email to their CS email takes very little time. > To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > From: eric@megageek.com > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:10:23 -0400 > Subject: [Shop-talk] Snap on Pressure washer warrantee > > Does anyone know what the warrantee on Snap-ons Pressure washer? > > I have one and it doesn't work at all. I'm guessing its the GFI plug, but > I can't test it without opening up the unit. I have no problem doing > that, but if they have a full warrantee on this item as well, I don't want > to void it by opening it up. It's fairly new and there is no signs of > breakage or anything. > > If there is anyone that can ask their Snap on guy or something? Thanks. > > Eric P _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 17:55:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346B82580690 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:55:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S7.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s7.hotmail.com [65.55.116.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1508D258065E for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:55:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU402-EASDF2 ([65.55.116.7]) by BLU004-OMC1S7.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:55:38 -0700 To: John Niolon , shop-talk From: Bill Gilroy Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:55:17 -0700 FILETIME=[BE643820:01CFBA76] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Take a look at http://www.playlater.tv/ Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ Sent: b8/b14/b2014 6:49 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop sometimes in the shop, I'm working on a 'bench' project and would like to watch video's or movies while working... there are episodes of tv shows I've missed that I'd like to download to my p.c. and watch when I can. I tried Amazon but they have no option for downloading to a pc and watching off line later.. or so they say... I can download it to my Kindle Fire (if I had one) or to my X-box (if I had that) but nothing to a generic p.c.... any of you guys do the download stuff with tv episodes successfully ??? I use U-verse but they don't do CBS shows (in particular) in there On-demand system... is there another service on the net that I can use... I don't mind paying for what I want, if I could find it... thanks John --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bill.gilroy@outlook.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 08:53:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EDF2584925 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 08:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f53.google.com (mail-yh0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C39225809E3 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 08:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f53.google.com with SMTP id c41so4523441yho.26 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 07:53:29 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YY0LbMD0RvEnYMOQL8DRK+pnxgLjI1aDSBJYrnqe2FM=; b=Yhob3E5hscCMyI1B6AioIiYGzQ/h6bFHN+yIFjIiqAjOrdYSTUq9GZ0lX8ThCxACAm g4EtzFNyYGmtaJRUVKBIUeTIGgWu+QoJWS8/IQLsweCp2W9lhArz86x4CZGpp5MaHho5 n6yE07y+RHPhZts0fjBih+U+1+fTKaiIsCoT5I/E8SlUL2kledS3SzhkaMbkzpDAT/R/ MIqzkWaY1vq+mjMEPaYleo2JWctsV4hznznt5cSTt7sHiie/9lcUrXdNNr59HAHHcBc+ WXWHQWThdokO02HWLOieLr1byP5Zhu1uhh7DI/TveAcji/q1h+dfYBXQCNbcMHr0QrhF gByw== p41mr56098555yhi.73.1408373609387; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 07:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.212.197 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 07:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 10:53:29 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto tool photoshop horror Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Check out this photo of a auto body rotisserie from a Northern Tool catalog I got in the mail: http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/2000x2000/157/157845_3_2000x2000.jpg Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 21:16:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8CC2584566 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 21:16:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.185.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917892584529 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 21:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.7.68.55]) by nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NAL00EJ853P7030@nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 03:16:41 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.27,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-08-20_02:2014-08-19,2014-08-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1408200039 From: Robert nogueira Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:16:34 -0500 References: <4044317CEEE54AE9903010573DC910CA@john5043a2d406> To: John Niolon Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tv in the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've been recording tv shows for several years using the program called Total Recorder by High Criteria. I have a tv card in my computer and source the show right off my Directv TiVo box. It allows you to set the format, ( I use mp4) and quality. It has auto start and a timer if you want to record off air. The Azul app for Ipad and iPhone will also play the mp4 files on my iPad. Another nice feature is you can edit shows, cutting out sections. The flexibility of the program makes it rather complicated however once you find the settings that work best for you you can save them and changes setting becomes a one click operation. Bob > On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:49 AM, John Niolon wrote: > > .......any of you guys do the download stuff with tv episodes successfully ??? I use > U-verse but they don't do CBS shows (in particular) in there On-demand > system... is there another service on the net that I can use... I don't mind > paying for what I want, if I could find it... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 18:53:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B8425856FF for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S33.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s33.hotmail.com [65.55.111.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623962585002 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 18:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU177-W44 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S33.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Wed, 20 Aug 2014 17:53:52 -0700 From: Rich White To: shop-talk List Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 19:53:52 -0500 References: FILETIME=[60B8A600:01CFBCDA] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Auto tool photoshop horror Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like it has a 4 out of 5 rating without any reviews. Hmmmmmmmmmm Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 10:53:29 -0400 > From: doug@dougbraun.com > To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto tool photoshop horror > > Check out this photo of a auto body rotisserie from a Northern Tool catalog > I got in the mail: > > http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/2000x2000/157/157845_3_2000x2000.j pg > > Doug > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rlwhitetr3b@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 20:00:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D0F25857D7 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 20:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17742584B99 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 20:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.100] ([::ffff:10.1.2.100]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 19:00:51 -0700 id 00000000002800AF.0000000053F552D3.00004DE8 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 19:00:21 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Auto tool photoshop horror Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/20/2014 5:53 PM, Rich White wrote: > Looks like it has a 4 out of 5 rating without any reviews. Hmmmmmmmmmm I saw 5 reviews, 4 positive, one disaster. No one's yet posted something snarky about that pic. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 20:56:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264CA25856C5 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 20:56:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S35.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s35.hotmail.com [65.55.111.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65450258083F for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 20:56:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU177-W23 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S35.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Wed, 20 Aug 2014 19:57:19 -0700 From: Rich White To: shop-talk List Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 21:57:18 -0500 References: , , <53F552B5.1040505@milleredp.com> FILETIME=[9F8A9670:01CFBCEB] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Auto tool photoshop horror Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, with some more clicking I found the reviews. Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 19:00:21 -0700 > From: jem@milleredp.com > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Auto tool photoshop horror > > On 8/20/2014 5:53 PM, Rich White wrote: > > Looks like it has a 4 out of 5 rating without any reviews. Hmmmmmmmmmm > > I saw 5 reviews, 4 positive, one disaster. > > No one's yet posted something snarky about that pic. > > John. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rlwhitetr3b@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 17:30:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D922F2584612 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 17:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2855F258458C for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 17:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id iPWy1o0014VKuxU01PWykD; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 16:30:59 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 16:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Trailer battery and hauling to Hershey and return Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ibve got a 24b enclosed trailer with an electric (12V) winch for hauling cars up the ramp. Itbs time for a new battery and Ibm not sure what type to look for. Normal auto type Optima sealed type Deep cycle marine type Any thoughts for one over the other? The battery is tied into the diesel rigbs electrical system and is therefore recharged while driving. As always, thanks for your thoughts. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA BTW, Ibm heading to Hershey in October and returning mid month. Anybody looking to move stuff either to or from Hershey? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 12:03:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB402584CAE for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E122584B7C for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id b8so11849968lan.19 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:00:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9rtfG0lJoZymDaQWxLacvLy0PBfgL/h3xqhNvg3Aak0=; b=NRO3rt2HPFpc1pjORAWGgNHuphW8FYwCad1Not8wh5dT1+hy+h+WuVhRxmb88lcXQm bFgQiZVcugd3qfI+oy2Hke29MrQCWcSgE+slK0wa9xfI2ZY8FYuVvbqZz122DvjG0ivW iAxIVdasfkupqEn9/PDQNBX2UL2q5V1bVRknQTz8654LMP1piUF4BuRf7iQE1vU2elBJ 8Qyg71r45z8YS5/A/cNM6y63n+GGn0+j0+A4VsEdQ6JBu2QRw4GbhMTZfoFNki/DAMUW KBJr2g776ZqAXThExqSVCYiUvLQPAwiDNpkO8C7YkcXSBBDzLOru4J8PwaOQWDSZXchS a+KQ== Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.198.193 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:00:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <737B9093B810470DB247B63FD3183080@StevePC> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:00:44 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trailer battery and hauling to Hershey and return Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I would put a deep-cycle or marine trolling motor battery in it. On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: > Ib ve got a 24b enclosed trailer with an electric (12V) > winch for hauling cars up the ramp. Itb s time for a new > battery and Ib m not sure what type to look for. > Normal auto type > Optima sealed type > Deep cycle marine type > > Any thoughts for one over the other? The battery is > tied into the diesel rigb s electrical system and is > therefore recharged while driving. > As always, thanks for your thoughts. > > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > > BTW, Ib m heading to Hershey in October and > returning mid month. Anybody looking to move > stuff either to or from Hershey? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 13:51:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B96B2584CA4 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB1F2584C47 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2014 19:51:56 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.162] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2014 19:51:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2014 19:51:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 23109 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2014 19:51:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1408909915; bh=t67ih5IuvDLrZAEm3pqkOhhAAPtJDmLvdJ6SorvoO5k=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1gdQgtU9kJErcm5XtHD1k/7HGmIF4yHnJM21kWTijbbvcWTOpqijgJbMEQDx8qpTiqxecKVa1uLo4Cqtj/qcgdvjR0pyP3I8jqeIQhuFibiwKvQzKAraaBmsTNexluToS9XRfkseRO0jSAR/HYpCjyBjyYX0UEGn/Vs5Rpp3g6A= zdK9rbLZkBmKvMxJArrbOJ0RWoHOhu0M2ismXxUdZZPcDysTT9h1oFB3BzMi eYFXa4LClepWKomp3MEhveh74fwAsOClpROf0m0.wE2Zb34tYdBVQoSP.bsK QD.LDu46KYIGxDfv2Zt9rLnCNiXASEaDQ7vl3Fo.TP7WMXFM1dFjJ9pViM2y UL6n.uS0LBLw2e43NbPQ9xI1Agq9pt6LR4lVocnUAYHW_z1nn9jh50rTFZmq CGrQp._QofBjtr2P.5HqrbdbZs5f_yLR1D43RgZXmL640wLAwq59rsjZiUI5 ozpaUA4pI4bIwuDY4sdHHOcO6UdyCAjb.FNiZCTYYZSbXcumq.RelCl9FFVB xZLpsZz5HKYoC6PXlr1bx6bc1O6fNNyuZp_1WcrV2PYUtTnMK5k1RB9kGbWq hEqSnOw.RloPG65CM0JIORG8W7H_mp7wFv7JW_NL7LLGtC3PrU_OYO7eml80 .sJy9WuUrzuFcy1G5vnixoi1EPkUwgxu8H21B3dc707jbEbFr1ay7Gid17Sd BWCCNV2LEZ2Vh Received: from [107.129.136.200] by web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:51:55 PDT SSd2ZSBnb3QgYSAyOCcgdHJhaWxlciBmb3IgbXkgZHJhZyBjYXIgZGVhbC7CoCAxMlYgZm9yIHRoZSB3aW5jaCwgZWxlY3RyaWMgdG9uZ3VlIGphY2sgYW5kIHNvbWUgbGlnaHRzLsKgIDExMFYgZWxlY3RyaWNhbCBmb3IgdGhlIG1haW4gbGlnaHRzLCBvdXRsZXRzIGFuZCBtaWNyb3dhdmUuwqAgCgoKSSB1c2UgYSAxMlYgTWFyaW5lIGRlZXAgY3ljbGUgYmF0dGVyeS7CoCBHb3QgdGhlIHRyYWlsZXIgaW4gbGF0ZSAwMiwgdGhlIG9uZSB0aGF0IGNhbWUgd2l0aCB0aGUgdHJhaWxlciBsYXN0ZWQgNCB5cnMuwqABMAEBAQE- References: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:51:55 -0700 From: David Cole To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop-talk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 121 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've got a 28' trailer for my drag car deal. 12V for the winch, electric tongue jack and some lights. 110V electrical for the main lights, outlets and microwave. I use a 12V Marine deep cycle battery. Got the trailer in late 02, the one that came with the trailer lasted 4 yrs. Then 5 or 6 yrs on the replacement Wal-Mart battery of the same type/size. Now on my 3rd battery in almost 12 yrs. Besides being charged by the truck I'll slow charge it about every 3-4 months and again before the start of winter. I like the deep cycle because they can be drained to the point that would kill a normal auto battery and then recharge it with no ill effects. 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Trailer battery and hauling to Hershey and return (Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 16:31:00 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Subject: [Shop-talk] Trailer battery and hauling to Hershey and return text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ibve got a 24b enclosed trailer with an electric (12V) winch for hauling cars up the ramp. Itbs time for a new battery and Ibm not sure what type to look for. Normal auto type Optima sealed type Deep cycle marine type Any thoughts for one over the other? The battery is tied into the diesel rigbs electrical system and is therefore recharged while driving. As always, thanks for your thoughts. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA BTW, Ibm heading to Hershey in October and returning mid month. Anybody looking to move stuff either to or from Hershey? ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Shop-talk mailing list Shop-talk@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/shop-talk ------------------------------ End of Shop-talk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 121 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 15:09:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312F52584CF0 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:09:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com (mail-pa0-f51.google.com [209.85.220.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5222584CD9 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:09:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ey11so19667707pad.38 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:10:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=c2w5ogyP13jc9P2U36Gv48jCXvtQlf1hAjoQOtSY83I=; b=tYK03TL1t1XNZXQ/QJi9vsKpNiBwjRv6H7xUG6ZmdBp0Tn1KA0FRRzqSQdX60T32aA GxB6WPEIozFqKbdLI2UuJzOW49UWu/IpzL9ktkCEoSbtRv9ETAzBcUwsbWRY4Dc6gs6N 13o88hxEjPeeXizcNax3etj3Qh1mMOBMA5iOihiGftRrkeg0Mn4VWI2vc6tEMIIej7pQ JYGk/3PBh2aONAGtbejuw96gotuxcWicD3CF7Lv6iqqJykfChZvIrMz72w2vOj983/0w iBY3IvajvNFmTS2Gt/ac42EJOynP1k/oL3OsCQK9hM3S+Jt/PDgdvnBTwMdHlMU9JK2R 7GnA== z1mr22884274pdz.120.1408914605353; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.128.78 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:10:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <737B9093B810470DB247B63FD3183080@StevePC> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:10:05 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trailer battery and hauling to Hershey and return Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: > Ib ve got a 24b enclosed trailer with an electric (12V) > winch for hauling cars up the ramp. Itb s time for a new > battery and Ib m not sure what type to look for. > Normal auto type > Optima sealed type > Deep cycle marine type > > Any thoughts for one over the other? The battery is > tied into the diesel rigb s electrical system and is > therefore recharged while driving. You do not want a regular SLI (starting, lighting, ignition) battery. They are intended for large peak draw, but not deep discharge, and will be damaged by repeated discharge. Pulling a car up the ramp is a deeper discharge than the design goal, probably. I'd use a deep cycle battery. Also, cnsider some sort of battery tender for the battery, to use when the trailer is parked (which I'm assuming is most of the time.) -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 18:38:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F72825845B6 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286052580851 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:37:50 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:27:16 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/24/2014 20:26:27, Serialize complete at 08/24/2014 20:26:27 Subject: [Shop-talk] Need help identifying a car manufacture's logo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have this hub cap and I can't figure out what it comes from. I never saw this logo before (I don't even know if it is the right side up.) Its says "Eaton" inside the cap. Click here to see the photo... http://tinyurl.com/idhubcap Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 20:45:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A9825845BB for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from walmailout06.yourhostingaccount.com (walmailout06.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6672580783 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:45:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan14.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.14] helo=walmailscan14.yourhostingaccount.com) by walmailout06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1XLkIM-0003Gf-LU for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:46:10 -0400 Received: from [10.114.3.33] (helo=walimpout13) by walmailscan14.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1XLkIM-00066B-Hl for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:46:10 -0400 Received: from walwebmail12.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.12]) by walimpout13 with id iqm11o0020FcvPu01qm4Lv; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:46:10 -0400 a=OTd7mDdtQPObUePB2dKGCw==:117 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=pq4jwCggAAAA:8 a=OF-CdTOGAAAA:8 a=dSNgoBpBW2kA:10 a=bm6ND6UEvvAA:10 a=2Veuz5LyLhkA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=pEzFn5-6AAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=UZccYhJuv1ujer3fYBIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=_Yuaf2BxSrAA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by walwebmail12.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1XLkHu-0001W8-Ex; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:45:43 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:45:42 -0400 om> References: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:45:42 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: eric@megageek.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need help identifying a car manufacture's logo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a book published in 1970 titled "Car Badges of the World". I found nothing like yours. The closest was from a Skoda. > I have this hub cap and I can't figure out what it comes from. I never > saw this logo before (I don't even know if it is the right side up.) > > Its says "Eaton" inside the cap. > > Click here to see the photo... > > http://tinyurl.com/idhubcap > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/greg@gelhar.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 23:25:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CDB25845CD for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 23:25:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859072580470 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 23:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hy4so14284917vcb.8 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:25:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=Xps6Qh9g6rmIyTxTZof0aMV1a125Tp0eIRSPgeLCBwg=; b=P+Mq5dQYbPtFH9s+EMWezIxnCbbFhE8FwEbnsE9nkRi+WdbSqmlAEE2S3eIqc8atyy tfgty+wuJsy3mS91tyA0Uh1CQTqguOmzFeuIEGJCMO2MwnEXZtjNBvW7b/M1rNzFmCaf 3ksNFMEU1qlNwaHiTskdiTEwIzSxPeI3Dm7T3UIT9FO43hUB/e07UTmKBUoF+9XJ6kWJ HstLURa8blKtRjfxiGb7dXFcd4/QPV81/LTm55c0PMJklB3rdJrB54Wm6EGE4cBFzsrW d2UTEa+N1+EG+nx3hZ3SRbVypynFp6nYOQvqO9k5HzZ11crE8TxZwubuuYDxPB4bPuXb TOSQ== l10mr5133714vcn.25.1408944340111; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.173.196 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:25:20 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Miq Millman Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:25:20 -0700 To: eric@megageek.com Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need help identifying a car manufacture's logo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net rotate it 90 counter clockwise and it could be the emblem for Lada http://ausmalbilder-malvorlagen.org/ausmalbilder/autos/lada.jpg -- __ Miq Millman miq@bigllama.com Tualatin, OR Big Llama Productions On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 5:27 PM, wrote: > I have this hub cap and I can't figure out what it comes from. I never > saw this logo before (I don't even know if it is the right side up.) > > Its says "Eaton" inside the cap. > > Click here to see the photo... > > http://tinyurl.com/idhubcap > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 20:21:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD88D25845DF for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D555258081D for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id m5so12999206qaj.7 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:21:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=B++4J8mPv3PGvl7J40avscpMVnShqEVQa0D0BgyFT0Q=; b=j7DZsNvFLNy3evnSrQ4lEuSnYFf9P9WGnnw1gPIQCi0h4hbsDIpJRTK6RHc9lwpBja ocrZTEh6szlnuqAk7pFKGaXYAlW4TPJLKCOvWVHk/h+WdQPuiwFUeebCVrHRh8lDoKaG A1+j3PEei8FOmLnLVTt4KqElrUPuDHkF1VWDMy2jGNJK0i+JIoSPZhOKQfOO+G45+lwX /O2HCcXxB1Kd/ROL9xp+hGOB91Vent480smy3P3m4yVnA4JdfjHUOh2HOtju6Ao5re0z 49Uxu1gkKE53jbNVEItNgsPjGM9EX/CAJzJDqKbV2ZTK1OK1vWmx1SQgggb1NKNUbq1X mQjQ== t106mr38534602qgd.12.1409019717770; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.102.177 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:21:57 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 22:21:57 -0400 From: Paul Parkanzky To: "eric@megageek.com" Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need help identifying a car manufacture's logo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm on a forum with a bunch of folks that you can always count on to be an automotive encyclopedia. I had my answer in 45 minutes: "i think its a Kaiser Darrin hubcap https://www.google.com/search?q=kais...2F%3B640%3B640 See post 344" What's amazing is that post 344 is a post where someone had taken photographs of a Darrin and they were discussing it. Small world! -Paul On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 8:27 PM, wrote: > I have this hub cap and I can't figure out what it comes from. I never > saw this logo before (I don't even know if it is the right side up.) > > Its says "Eaton" inside the cap. > > Click here to see the photo... > > http://tinyurl.com/idhubcap > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 20:44:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8812584659 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f48.google.com (mail-yh0-f48.google.com [209.85.213.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34DD2580722 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:44:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f48.google.com with SMTP id i57so11347533yha.35 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:44:57 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+Xw5/7CRKvFNnxU8f+dc4x7jKWfuDNv08cPwMepAk88=; b=Mno0Z5mWkHPvoI4JZqqvdb8x27lJoSXUrJpgYSX7LSVTGBfbtjArIkcrWnxnO2N3Wz Wfhf4dkrl30mBhghXTdOuYHpf8zG6HxbFed1qESA2BzKX9s9D2WoNAAlrN41QSeEdjIz YQZDAQsloFZkwDkSPQgJ7vquXRBgGf9WELprUZS4PjT8wG5qPvcLYw/5Wcls+09Fpm8c EYKwP2bI6uautw7E3DSZ/ng46ToXxJj5JbuNtzMDXDCYZ2MlKbnDMPZCO/LERWraveqW SBXQh39Tm3RVq11teGXstcyKWHD9jYmBCSSfhXUc60u99k6gCtoOIsSbm/1jp5tMF9rD eNvA== d33mr6400805yhb.104.1409021097138; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.212.197 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:44:57 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 22:44:57 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need help identifying a car manufacture's logo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting! But why did they pick such a strange, ugly logo? Doug On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: > I'm on a forum with a bunch of folks that you can always count on to be an > automotive encyclopedia. I had my answer in 45 minutes: > > "i think its a Kaiser Darrin hubcap _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 26 06:10:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50C32584A28 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 06:10:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76A4258477C for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 06:10:07 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:58:40 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/26/2014 07:58:43, Serialize complete at 08/26/2014 07:58:43 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Need help identifying a car manufacture's logo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, it was a Kaiser. I've got the hubcap listed. I though such a rare beast would be worth a little more, but not really. (I did have a renewed interest in Ladas however! Hopefully I can find a Niva that I can register in NJ.) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 26 10:12:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3792584492 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECFE258074C for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EE43E406C for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:12:46 -0700 (PDT) :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; s=groupwbench.org; bh=NXqqX224ubON35RR+PAF4em+ kEg=; b=Ru4+NAyQHbvRODlnTKIYgf58zMWgmBWqY59zM77K+M5Om0qsjDLxaxk+ DfDKZhCqNGPFsQAS01s9wS088R0Ym++/gtW1tzFG1a7IHP7la3HtQbU6uXzdAgKR JKlLsZ2if14bCfSrr51pXnLsLOKfSb+XVLBtup6tM+Hnt/J4KV0= Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-96-237-249-111.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [96.237.249.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a46.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06A743E405C for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:12:44 -0400 To: shop-talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Well water hammer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've been hearing water hammer that I thought was the washing machine turning off and rattling the pipes, but when I'd go into the basement and watch, it never hammered. This morning I woke up to the well cycling. Investigation showed the pressure was leaking back down the supply pipe. I replaced the Flowmatic check valve with a $16 American Granby (the Nibco was $65). Now when the pump kicks on there is a significant hammer, about 1/2 second after the switch triggers the pump. The check valve spring was pretty light so it isn't that. Any ideas on what's going on here? I'm wondering if something is wrong that killed the check valve. It looked original, 30 years old, spring had come undone and gotten stuck in the valve. thanks, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 26 10:34:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84852258455A for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:34:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F47D2580818 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jPqW1o0071c6gX859Uakkn; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:34:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jUaj1o00R06FvTL3jUakmV; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:34:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:34:22 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Jim Franklin , shop-talk List References: s=q20140121; t=1409070884; bh=sW+HZU/VJsUYjpN17Q+APQMofvl+yCCPXPHsFfMdW1w=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=krXHczPQkHX/x16vWJXJztd/hcbucImG/LSjyuDEyppdxOPo6HsdM9+bYnZkEDa4j c9sRPZBmCPQrOi9mHPXra3UCirdcoxfkm3jefMF1RFSkQHWxitFyHRYQMxLx3LA2rl HR1ijSmW4wpCLJuK3r4l37G6p1a4G/a0wFYTdq7GY1AGkTHGWCcteXCoNSBh00vX00 sadmB3j+YKnA2ZnkMLAkLrSyQM06F/rRb9cye/mjS6ZiXqWYfgHY2F+bQdTSFmqmUu +9Cm13l1pmIRUvgBxfitplNTp01wbq5t6DuN7A4v0ptcGe2IKgtTYYCHVfYFvfZDiG cXbbFdHfKa8eA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Well water hammer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/26/2014 12:12 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > I've been hearing water hammer that I thought was the washing machine turning > off and rattling the pipes, but when I'd go into the basement and watch, it > never hammered. This morning I woke up to the well cycling. Investigation > showed the pressure was leaking back down the supply pipe. I replaced the > Flowmatic check valve with a $16 American Granby (the Nibco was $65). > > Now when the pump kicks on there is a significant hammer, about 1/2 second > after the switch triggers the pump. The check valve spring was pretty light so > it isn't that. > > Any ideas on what's going on here? I'm wondering if something is wrong that > killed the check valve. It looked original, 30 years old, spring had come > undone and gotten stuck in the valve. > > thanks, Check the pressure tank. You can use a regular tire gauge. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 26 10:52:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90175258086C for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:52:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5C0258074F for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e1f68.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.31.104]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0NAX00GYFAVK0MB0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:50:47 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: shop-talk List References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Well water hammer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On my well, there is a foot valve down at the bottom of the well where the pump is. That is what does most of the work preventing the water from draining back down the well. I also have a check valve up at the pressure tank in the basement. That's how it was when the house was built and it is still that way today. There seem to be different opinions about the merits of multiple check valves. I found a lot of info here: http://inspectapedia.com/water/Check_Valves_Water.htm Good luck getting it all sorted out. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 12:12 PM 8/26/2014, Jim Franklin wrote: >Any ideas on what's going on here? I'm wondering if something is wrong that >killed the check valve. It looked original, 30 years old, spring had come >undone and gotten stuck in the valve. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 26 11:35:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCCD2580818 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F4A2580818 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jPgA1o0020EZKEL5CVbdyy; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:35:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jVbd1o00G06FvTL3MVbdmW; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:35:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:35:15 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Shop Talk References: <53FCBDDB.5070006@comcast.net> s=q20140121; t=1409074537; bh=mcuSm+6KoqbxrC7ssHth2GzBK5M0PKkbhcifzt0Y7tY=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=jSkjISUXjj4Tz6EL8L3DnNILEGOYn/wZvMKPYcOLWDaOlQ7J6scA+SulRIiEWeMxO FG2Qmc0eFY+Kplc/77e2KDw4T+hgiwXbifTppCwr0wqd5/pweGdfahEcpSVzHjUIoQ /9rHZ724BlmhTI8mSArBOEDjQBxIrlNXdnwFiFFFwriQ+7K+DiKVbIkc0HkBOJK1HC RAgrRlIHRs7Fcc/dMeoGj9LcruTRPCjE+6sxDwDY3LnG2zeBkGesdPEPIHdixdcG1v IZaeD5DT7IM9m28AIQudlBl8U6GBLDGmH7rVnhLc2koQLqc2FNyvpXuOx/Yi7K9P5X fBvueYFF/XrCQ== Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd: Re: Well water hammer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Well water hammer? Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:03:23 -0400 From: Peter J. Thomas To: Jim Franklin On 8/26/2014 12:44 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > On Aug 26, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Peter J. Thomas wrote: >> Check the pressure tank. You can use a regular tire gauge. > 42 psi. This is with the tank full of water, not empty. > > jim > You need to check the Schrader value with the tank empty of water and no pressure on the water side (drain open). With the tank empty of water there still should be some pressure on the air side of the bladder, can't remember the amount. Reading with water in a failed tank a small pocket of pressurized air. This will cause the pump to cycle often and hammer. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 26 12:02:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736E72584489 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:02:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB8E258069D for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:00:56 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:45263] helo=cdptpa-web24) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 82/41-05909-48BCCF35; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:01:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:01:40 +0000 From: Randall To: Shop Talk Sensitivity: Normal 2014 18:01:40 +0000 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fwd: Re: Well water hammer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > You need to check the Schrader value with the tank empty of water and no > pressure on the water side (drain open). With the tank empty of water > there still should be some pressure on the air side of the bladder, > can't remember the amount. Another, less scientific approach, is to just close off the inlet and open an outlet where you can see it. Wait until the flow stops, then add a little air. If you get some more flow out, add a little more air. Repeat until the extra air doesn't dispel any water. That will still be less than it should have, but enough to prevent water hammer and rapid cycling. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 26 12:44:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E013258444A for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7122580877 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A582E8076 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:45:16 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=X/WwZzqlLUYznH+E1xvrpITrbAI=; b=rS2IdhsUTh8I thKSP5dF8Ax6wgtFsvaWHJsYrcnIOeRf7+uYKYUJO2rL9SyhBEq8DGF/v0YleEOX Jhd2cz0zKYpIl34e0IqDtsLtGKtSKXIklVTsYyaqDZr9TSz0vBOS8cvr967Zd0H8 4yGVyDKN3wYS485oHBppfJ9nyyeD6qY= Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-96-237-249-111.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [96.237.249.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a51.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C958A2E8062 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:45:14 -0400 References: <20140826180140.8XBLB.30651.root@cdptpa-web24> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fwd: Re: Well water hammer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 26, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Randall wrote: >> You need to check the Schrader value with the tank empty of water and no >> pressure on the water side (drain open). With the tank empty of water >> there still should be some pressure on the air side of the bladder, >> can't remember the amount. > > Another, less scientific approach, is to just close off the inlet and open an outlet where you can see it. Wait until the flow stops, then add a little air. If you get some more flow out, add a little more air. Repeat until the extra air doesn't dispel any water. That will still be less than it should have, but enough to prevent water hammer and rapid cycling. > What's causing the water hammer? I've never heard of it when something turns _on_. jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 26 19:46:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F92225851CD for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 19:46:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a68.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679C325808D3 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 19:46:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a68.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a68.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E398B40112D2E for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:47:28 -0700 (PDT) :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; s=groupwbench.org; bh=xnX9K37/PdQiFHCrTk04Hm/6 7+w=; b=QYWb+1t8umT2Rq+ucSNYWO291cPIcT0B8E/AGMaUuXjH1AuE7iOrTL8w 1rRDsKCKI7CtzXBzqtKUXaxBYQOXeEmbY7K/lPFGsQAd5GShmVAvvOPp4chVSOh+ Q7pn2SmCwsHRdHmX08JdnnvmOo8IOgzsPIOdb3sPgZZXE5xQ1q0= Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-96-237-249-111.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [96.237.249.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a68.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AF82440112D19 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:47:27 -0400 To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fwd: Re: Well water hammer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Resending to the actual list... On Aug 26, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > Ok, the good news is, there was only 18 psi in there. The bad news is, it lost 22 psi over the past year. So while I regained the water pressure I hadn't really noticed was gone, it looks like this tank may be exiting it's mortal coil. It's a 2003 Welltrol 203, tall & skinny and a model reputed to have issues. > > The tank also expelled a bunch of air upon emptying, probably because when I removed the inlet pipe, the broken, or lack of, a check valve at the pump allowed all the water to drain back. It doesn't seem like this was a factor in the water hammer though, because the hammer still there. Switch clicks, wait a 2 count, and bang and the gauge goes bouncy. > > Unless you all have any more ideas, I'll let it run a few days and let any air still in the water side make its way out, see if anything changes. I really hope the pump isn't going... > > jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 27 07:11:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510AE25852A7 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764F4258076E for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id josz1o0071GhbT85CpAkzB; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:10:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jpAj1o00U06FvTL3TpAjwF; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:10:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:10:23 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Jim Franklin , shop-talk List References: s=q20140121; t=1409145044; bh=CHzWZ+s4UC8PrZfYfHCyY4NaPGfqISZ1bie5kN/9mfM=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=lNETLqMI7Qd/7TbvStuwKDqczHDoYUcMjh9mGTb27EuROVVsCuf7qBc/T2LkyLw7d 2ZLlqcjJmuih8Vs7kuPQHYsDw9v1/+jIqisuz2BgYhELp3Bc19hIP7opyZE0yobP+k FjUkPhXtGmLfmTiHFwK5gvS0fQUJVhGVzuBT8dl0pSsIMliNkrCy/gzicicAwZv3Cx WLexGVDXtGYCD0TmG2Di9WtLkEMIFrLvomwSzcQ2aXLVkdUqwe7TNeXE8kAOd8FK1i 54k2rY3keh/NCG/zdI+NSoE9rG1DYN3QP0pnPusUq+64qkk03807QyTjYpnhIuqH0W Ynwlw60c0gykg== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fwd: Re: Well water hammer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/26/2014 9:47 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > Resending to the actual list... > > On Aug 26, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: >> Ok, the good news is, there was only 18 psi in there. The bad news is, it > lost 22 psi over the past year. So while I regained the water pressure I > hadn't really noticed was gone, it looks like this tank may be exiting it's > mortal coil. It's a 2003 Welltrol 203, tall & skinny and a model reputed to > have issues. >> The tank also expelled a bunch of air upon emptying, probably because when I > removed the inlet pipe, the broken, or lack of, a check valve at the pump > allowed all the water to drain back. It doesn't seem like this was a factor in > the water hammer though, because the hammer still there. Switch clicks, wait a > 2 count, and bang and the gauge goes bouncy. >> Unless you all have any more ideas, I'll let it run a few days and let any > air still in the water side make its way out, see if anything changes. I > really hope the pump isn't going... >> jim 18 is low. Should be 38 PSI. This is the reason for the hammer. Pumps run at much higher pressure ( around 100 psi IIRC). Its quicking compressing the air. So you have less than half the air in there you should have. So when the pump brings it up to 42 PSI it quickly compresses the smaller volume of air causing hammering. You might try tightening the Schrader value or replacing since they are cheap. Turn off the pump, empty the water, replace the value, precharge to 38 PSI and wait with the drain open to see if it holds. If it doesn't hold with a new Schrader value, the diaphragm/bladder is damaged and the tank toast. If it holds you should be good to go. My Welltrol slowly lost pressure out the Schrader but in my case the pressure relief dumped water on the basement floor. The cycling wore out the spring and I had to replace the pressure value. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 14:38:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37130258477E for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:38:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC2S5.hotmail.com (col004-omc2s5.hotmail.com [65.55.34.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1872580550 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:38:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W13 ([65.55.34.72]) by COL004-OMC2S5.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:39:26 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:39:26 -0400 FILETIME=[2897FF60:01CFC300] Subject: [Shop-talk] Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm experiencing an oil leak where an axle CV flange is sealed against the transmission. I'm linking to an ebay listing for a replacement axle flange that I'm looking to purchase, and so people know what I'm talking about. http://www.ebay.com/itm/360969530778?item=360969530778&viewitem=&vxp=mtr For history, I had the trans refreshed, and new axle oil seals were installed. While it was out, I also repacked CV joints and noted that both axle flanges on the trans had some corrosion and pitting directly on the surface that rides in the oil seal. Figuring it had lasted this long with no big leaks I was aware of, that cleaning it up and reinstalling would be fine. New axle flanges are $200 each for this particular transmission, so I didn't jump at the chance to buy new ones, and didn't think it'd be a big deal. So either the new seal is just failing (it was after a track day), or whatever I did to clean up the surface made it worse, or just Murphy's dumb luck and it's leaking more now than before. My question is, if I purchase the axle in the ebay listing and it's not as perfect as hoped (the seller said the items is already boxed up) once I look at it, how could I go about "touching up" the machined surface - basically where the rusty part meets the shiny part in the ebay pics. short of buying a lathe (hah!) and machining it down a hair, can I chuck this shaft into a drill press or something and polish it somehow to get a nice, even and leak free seal? Thanks-PJ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 15:54:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED4C2584941 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691B2258459F for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:35198] helo=cdptpa-web24) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 41/C2-25476-035AFF35; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:54:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:54:56 +0000 From: Randall To: PJ McGarvey , Shop Talk Sensitivity: Normal 2014 21:54:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > So either the new seal is just failing (it was after a track day), or whatever > I did to clean up the surface made it worse, or just Murphy's dumb luck and > it's leaking more now than before. Have you considered a Speedi-sleeve? You may have to look it up by size if they don't have that particular application listed. I've had good luck using a sleeve that was listed for a shaft some .010" larger than the one I had; used some Loctite "circular parts mount" under it and it sealed fine. Something else to look at is how snugly the shaft fits into the bore that supports it. On my Chevy, that bore was plain cast iron, and it wore oversize, allowing the equivalent piece (the Chevy didn't use a flange, just a CV joint) to wobble around. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 18:12:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AB72584768 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AE825845BF for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:11:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.rowlf.p [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14D093C45 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BigBlackIvy.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84E593C43 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:11:58 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net PJ wrote: >My question is, if I purchase the axle in the ebay listing and it's not as >perfect as hoped (the seller said the items is already boxed up) once I look >at it, how could I go about "touching up" the machined surface - basically >where the rusty part meets the shiny part in the ebay pics. >short of buying a lathe (hah!) and machining it down a hair, can I chuck this >shaft into a drill press or something and polish it somehow to get a nice, >even and leak free seal? I've dealt with leaky seals on my A2 Golfs. I ended up buying new flanges. I believe a light touchup with some emery cloth would smooth up the surface. You could chuck it in a drill press to ensure you get a even cut. Emery cloth comes in different grits, like sandpaper. A machinist would be able to tell you what grit to use. I'd guess start with 400-600 grit and polish it out with 1000 grit. The problem is the seals tend to dig two closely spaced grooves in the flange over the miles. When you put a new seal on, if it doesn't end up sitting exactly in the same place as the old one - you get a leak. The groove isn't something that'd show up in a photo, you have to place eyeballs on it to really see it. Another option is a product called a Speedi-Sleeve. It's a thin (.010") sleeve that goes on the flange where the seal rides and gives a nice new surface for the seal to ride on. I used one after I rebuilt my Golf engine to stop a leaking rear main seal. Easier than pulling the engine to re-machine the crank! The sleeves come in a variety of sizes and can be installed without any special tools or machine tools, etc. Accurate measurements need to be taken to get the correct sleeve. I consulted with my local machinists to get the right one. Link at: Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 480,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 29 09:05:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9BC258454C for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC2S3.hotmail.com (col004-omc2s3.hotmail.com [65.55.34.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE979258453C for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:04:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W21 ([65.55.34.71]) by COL004-OMC2S3.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Fri, 29 Aug 2014 08:05:41 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 11:05:40 -0400 References: , <5.1.0.14.2.20140828165751.006dc958@mail.avvanta.com> FILETIME=[B336B2C0:01CFC39A] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ebay axle has been ordered, so we'll see what happens there. The speedi seal is a great backup plan, and the correct size is available for this application. Thanks! > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:11:58 -0700 > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > From: racertod@racertodd.com > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cleaning up machined surface for oil seal > > PJ wrote: > > >My question is, if I purchase the axle in the ebay listing and it's not as > >perfect as hoped (the seller said the items is already boxed up) once I look > >at it, how could I go about "touching up" the machined surface - basically > >where the rusty part meets the shiny part in the ebay pics. > >short of buying a lathe (hah!) and machining it down a hair, can I chuck this > >shaft into a drill press or something and polish it somehow to get a nice, > >even and leak free seal? > > I've dealt with leaky seals on my A2 Golfs. I ended up buying new > flanges. > > I believe a light touchup with some emery cloth would smooth up > the surface. You could chuck it in a drill press to ensure you get a even cut. > Emery cloth comes in different grits, like sandpaper. A machinist > would be able to tell you what grit to use. I'd guess start with 400-600 > grit and polish it out with 1000 grit. > > The problem is the seals tend to dig two closely spaced grooves in > the flange over the miles. When you put a new seal on, if it doesn't end > up sitting exactly in the same place as the old one - you get a leak. The > groove isn't something that'd show up in a photo, you have to place > eyeballs on it to really see it. > > Another option is a product called a Speedi-Sleeve. It's a thin > (.010") sleeve that goes on the flange where the seal rides and gives a > nice new surface for the seal to ride on. > I used one after I rebuilt my Golf engine to stop a leaking rear > main seal. Easier than pulling the engine to re-machine the crank! The > sleeves come in a variety of sizes and can be installed without any special > tools or machine tools, etc. Accurate measurements need to be taken to get > the correct sleeve. I consulted with my local machinists to get the right one. > > Link at: > > > > Todd > Seattle,WA > '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles > '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 480,000 miles > '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new > home :( > http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 29 13:12:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5DD258444C for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:12:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B13F258043F for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:11:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id l6so2919991qcy.14 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:12:40 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=6Pzktl1m05b4Tvjwp8tlu3DqbAH732KyHvCxvemGgbI=; b=CsZ++dl8BN/iT4QllPCCwa3IEqYp2/SINVyTr2+4OauqNYN2+MW2XhY7IZD/8OGD+i TbCMR59FNvZKZoHVNkL8nTWNF3fJ1bIBmLl5VA/WZ6WA8nMAPiR4rIYP2MD0E00o31/b fscsvFiTl/w1J7CsDOZUKl5u9so3L7l9kagAkt63psOmrixyvU6c5ycHiR0/SgVFn68N T3o7KIZF/LZn//+NikiqNhLyhkLtPXHTcWiiShgDVDlPtUnVsBnffsgLck4DP8rBaIse du/79SgDHUkLvnCKrdM3k95gV8cvqBOcP9t0NtDfCfSv6BtYd1/cAm8CeOziY+Xj+sBQ o/ZQ== Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.137] (ool-ad03f8ec.dyn.optonline.net. [173.3.248.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h9sm2425385qai.30.2014.08.29.12.12.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:12:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:12:38 -0400 To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Mixed fuse sizes? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A friend of mine called me last night with an electrical question that I couldnt answer, so I am turning to this group. His 240v electric stove petered out on him the previous night. The heat output gradually declined until it just stopped working. He checked the fuse and discovered something I have never heard of before: mixed amperage Buss fuses in a single carrier. The house is old and the fuse box has never been updated, so he has screw-in fuses for the 120 circuits and the push-in Buss type (I dont know the proper name) for the 240 circuits. When he pulled the carrier (dont know the name for that either) for the stove he found that it contained one 30 amp fuse and one 60 amp. The 30 amp fuse has an adaptor to allow it to fit into the 60 amp carrier. The owners manual calls for a 50 amp circuit, so I guess it averages out about right. I posted a photo of the holder here (http://tinyurl.com/k47qq6h) and the new fuse with adaptor here (http://tinyurl.com/lknxn4f), if anyone is interested. The 30 amp fuse had blown and looked burned to him. I have never heard of mixing two different fuses in the same circuit, but the stove was professionally installed and has worked fine for 10 years. The fuses were much older than that, so the electrician clearly used an existing circuit for wiring the stove. It is labeled Water Heater, although the house didnt have an electric water heater when he bought it. He can certainly just leave everything the way it was and put in a new 30 amp fuse, but that makes him, and me, uncomfortable. Can anyone shed any light on why this might have been done and what he should do now? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 29 13:30:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2822584575 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:30:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0248.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.248]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A56F2580041 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:30:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay06.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41859EA13 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 19:31:05 +0000 (UTC) RULES_HIT:41:355:379:854:988:989:1187:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1381:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2198:2199:2393:2559:2562:2687:2828:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3352:3622:3743:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3874:4184:4250:5007:6119:7619:7652:7775:7903:8531:8551:8666:10004:10400:10450:10455:10848:11658:11914:12050:12517:12519:12663:13069:13151:13161:13228:13229:13311:13357:13618:14096:14097:19904:19999:21060:21080, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk,SPF:fn,MSBL:0,DNSBL:none,Custom_rules:0:0:0 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (host216-187.lsdepts.ucsb.edu [128.111.216.187]) (Authenticated sender: mikey@rambour.com) by omf07.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 19:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:31:06 -0700 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Delta Unisaw Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I have a Delta Unisaw 1 1/2HP 220v model, its about 30-35 years old, I bought it new in late 1970's or very early 1980s. It has worked flawlessly until now. I needed to rip a plain old 2x4 the other day at a 45 (corner to corner on the 3.5" side), so 2 passes and the saw kept overheating and shutting down. Wait about 15 minutes and hit the "reset" button and it would work another few feet. I was getting a lot of smoke and it did NOT smell like electrical smoke, more like wood smoke but the wood was not getting burned as if the blade was dull, no burn marks on the wood. The blade is fairly new and looks/feels sharp but it was definitively straining at cutting the 2x4 at a 45 degree, 2x4 was fairly dry, certainly not green. I did check the motor, not a lot of sawdust on or around it. I didn't have a new blade to try but I am wondering if after 30+ years either the "reset" breaker is going out OR if the motor is going out and how to test it. The only other time I had this problem was years ago cutting a 1/2" wide groove 1" deep into hundreds of boards. I had to make that cut in 3 passes but I expected that problem since I had a dado blade cutting into oak. I am going to try a new blade first :) This is home shop use, so the saw would be used heavily for a few months of weekends on a project and then would sit unused for months until the next project, I have done some really big projects on it and cut some serious wood with it but I would not consider it heavily used. Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 29 13:33:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B05258444C for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:33:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f54.google.com (mail-qa0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E667B25807BC for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:33:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id x12so2540856qac.41 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:34:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2pWcKZCrgOuas8bONgM8eUcNJMKTfJrsDfiBJfdjwI0=; b=ubTr0V5dhjY6WTDnP5U0Mg2wSQIiVNEEDP3Dz+Cm2a9T1SQBFuau5hBbWd6WfF1njg u9+XnlvaqAj7Wu1A2sz2VhA2dsV/Y/KG1X4tdythJQvwzd9gbz9eSc1DDlxsu1O/5C52 Atde/Ja/Q20k2D7rR/viKueEVtaSdAKONb83+9WxxbD4eOrZQ3wNHdhNZRXCd17gDvLz qgicT6iUqYd+E/2T4QWRzYlX8+LvwfXQYxzj6i/6zujG5tqc1zwEpgso2tYZWxibkSB1 BLYm/olM/01b7n4COg4uZ7EUaZC8xOV1jCoGXgTZ1ytB3eLN6eBIp/+IqrFeyLM2ofZx Ovpg== y3mr20826065qal.65.1409340852327; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.82.164 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:34:12 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:34:12 -0500 From: John Innis To: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mixed fuse sizes? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have seen this before, but ONLY when the "240 V" circuit was being used as two separate 120V branches. So house originally had a 240v water heater, it was replaced with a gas water heater and the now unused 204v circuit was re-purposed into two 120vac branches. I am pretty sure this is not to code, and generally not a good idea. As soon as you have a single 240v load back on that circuit, you need to go back to matching fuses. The cartridge style fuses always look burned when they blow, but this one likely was running on the ragged edge for a LONG time. Ideally you need to install TWO new 50amp fuses in this fuse carrier. But Not sure if they are available in that rating. More important, you need to find out if anything else is wired to that circuit. If someone installed a branch circuit with 14 ga wiring, it MUST be disconnected from this circuit, it will not survive the 50 amp load in the event of a short. On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: > A friend of mine called me last night with an electrical question that I > couldn t answer, so I am turning to this group. His 240v electric stove > petered out on him the previous night. The heat output gradually declined > until it just stopped working. He checked the fuse and discovered > something I > have never heard of before: mixed amperage Buss fuses in a single carrier. > The house is old and the fuse box has never been updated, so he has > screw-in > fuses for the 120 circuits and the push-in Buss type (I don t know the > proper > name) for the 240 circuits. When he pulled the carrier (don t know the > name > for that either) for the stove he found that it contained one 30 amp fuse > and > one 60 amp. The 30 amp fuse has an adaptor to allow it to fit into the 60 > amp > carrier. The owner s manual calls for a 50 amp circuit, so I guess it > averages out about right. I posted a photo of the holder here > (http://tinyurl.com/k47qq6h) and the new fuse with adaptor here > (http://tinyurl.com/lknxn4f), if anyone is interested. The 30 amp fuse > had > blown and looked burned to him. > > I have never heard of mixing two different fuses in the same circuit, but > the > stove was professionally installed and has worked fine for 10 years. The > fuses were much older than that, so the electrician clearly used an > existing > circuit for wiring the stove. It is labeled Water Heater , although the > house didn t have an electric water heater when he bought it. He can > certainly > just leave everything the way it was and put in a new 30 amp fuse, but that > makes him, and me, uncomfortable. Can anyone shed any light on why this > might > have been done and what he should do now? > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 29 13:43:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93982580894 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f53.google.com (mail-qa0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C77C25807EC for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:42:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id w8so2617714qac.12 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:43:32 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=Ddze5M38cEPzh5roKsovSHVdgWNGNbmG+rhXOi9Mtz4=; b=yxbj/ocIFP2Hwd/zJHOL/o8dEZKW5P8mTZgrpo7mnpLV8p9kga0xru+RtptsqkRQDq Bpewiz6XK3z8iVHHLvIdA+906v24LCQulm5mFUrI1E4vL/o2k9keN2NIxz2+TmqAG2Qv OGUHu6rWnHFpX1j45WRhVY8cs5VXZvTvl3VBSMBm7BiCmfR2b6lxAi1bd85Fpg83kGOH GPN95Z6+fWhD7crrIk8LZqiV7eztug1M4L9JD/VSB5AqF1lA2Zpcc9lpKyPfzb230LZK OlL777+JnEotv9TctR2UKQCnQPdXoMsQVGltPN3WNu/9rdZvbhKRn4Mvpp7oifbs74oK tANA== h6mr20048028qgh.49.1409341412232; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.137] (ool-ad03f8ec.dyn.optonline.net. [173.3.248.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k10sm2715696qaj.7.2014.08.29.12.43.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:43:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:43:30 -0400 References: To: John Innis Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mixed fuse sizes? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, John. That is pretty much what I assumed, although I didnt think about the fact that there might be a branch circuit in there somewhere. Good catch! One thing I forgot to mention is that they were slow blow fuses. I believe that is appropriate for a stove, but could be disaster on any branch circuit. Home Depot lists 50 amp fuses, so hopefully they are readily available. I assume he will also have to find a matching carrier or proper adapter, but that should be possible given that the fuses are out there. I will pass this info on to my friend. When he called last night I told him I didnt have a definitive answer, but knew right where to find one! Thanks for the quick response and for proving me right. Jim On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:34 PM, John Innis wrote: > I have seen this before, but ONLY when the "240 V" circuit was being used as two separate 120V branches. So house originally had a 240v water heater, it was replaced with a gas water heater and the now unused 204v circuit was re-purposed into two 120vac branches. I am pretty sure this is not to code, and generally not a good idea. As soon as you have a single 240v load back on that circuit, you need to go back to matching fuses. The cartridge style fuses always look burned when they blow, but this one likely was running on the ragged edge for a LONG time. Ideally you need to install TWO new 50amp fuses in this fuse carrier. But Not sure if they are available in that rating. More important, you need to find out if anything else is wired to that circuit. If someone installed a branch circuit with 14 ga wiring, it MUST be disconnected from this circuit, it will not survive the 50 amp load in the event of a short. > > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: > A friend of mine called me last night with an electrical question that I > couldn t answer, so I am turning to this group. His 240v electric stove > petered out on him the previous night. The heat output gradually declined > until it just stopped working. He checked the fuse and discovered something I > have never heard of before: mixed amperage Buss fuses in a single carrier. > The house is old and the fuse box has never been updated, so he has screw-in > fuses for the 120 circuits and the push-in Buss type (I don t know the proper > name) for the 240 circuits. When he pulled the carrier (don t know the name > for that either) for the stove he found that it contained one 30 amp fuse and > one 60 amp. The 30 amp fuse has an adaptor to allow it to fit into the 60 amp > carrier. The owner s manual calls for a 50 amp circuit, so I guess it > averages out about right. I posted a photo of the holder here > (http://tinyurl.com/k47qq6h) and the new fuse with adaptor here > (http://tinyurl.com/lknxn4f), if anyone is interested. The 30 amp fuse had > blown and looked burned to him. > > I have never heard of mixing two different fuses in the same circuit, but the > stove was professionally installed and has worked fine for 10 years. The > fuses were much older than that, so the electrician clearly used an existing > circuit for wiring the stove. It is labeled Water Heater , although the > house didn t have an electric water heater when he bought it. He can certainly > just leave everything the way it was and put in a new 30 amp fuse, but that > makes him, and me, uncomfortable. Can anyone shed any light on why this might > have been done and what he should do now? > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > > > > -- > ================================= > = Never offend people with style when you = > = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = > ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 30 20:18:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502D3258458E for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:18:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F8E25807F5 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:17:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A49E2C0140 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 15:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 15:31:30 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] UPS fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You may recall I brought up the topic of the UPS into which the Team.Net server is plugged. I was a bit concerned because of the noises it was making, but not too worried about its performance as a UPS. Just had a short power outage, and NOW I'm worried. It kept the server running for about 35 seconds - not good. Time to start saving my pennies and do some research. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 30 20:41:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15DC258458E for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:41:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC3S5.hotmail.com (blu004-omc3s5.hotmail.com [65.55.116.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5718125807CE for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W77 ([65.55.116.72]) by BLU004-OMC3S5.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Sat, 30 Aug 2014 19:43:30 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: Mark J Bradakis , Shop Talk Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 21:43:29 -0500 References: <540242B2.2030909@bradakis.com> FILETIME=[595EA510:01CFC4C5] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] UPS fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I just kicked 50. who else is in? Fuq the ice bucket (cold stuff is child's play! I shovel snow in shorts!!). Just donate. Sound off Ladies. tim > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 15:31:30 -0600 > From: mark@bradakis.com > To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Shop-talk] UPS fun > > You may recall I brought up the topic of the UPS into which the Team.Net server is plugged. > I was a bit concerned because of the noises it was making, but not too worried about its > performance as a UPS. > > Just had a short power outage, and NOW I'm worried. It kept the server running for about 35 > seconds - not good. > > Time to start saving my pennies and do some research. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 30 23:15:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9AF2584600 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 23:15:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from haybaler.sackheads.org (haybaler.sackheads.org [140.186.190.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0055D2580809 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 23:15:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) by haybaler.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE111285A1 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 01:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haybaler.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (haybaler.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yHsWpwhrGTyJ for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 01:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by haybaler.sackheads.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2F3B285A0; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 01:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 01:17:53 -0400 From: Jimmie Mayfield To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <540242B2.2030909@bradakis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] UPS fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 03:31:30PM -0600, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > You may recall I brought up the topic of the UPS into which the Team.Net > server is plugged. > I was a bit concerned because of the noises it was making, but not too > worried about its > performance as a UPS. > > Just had a short power outage, and NOW I'm worried. It kept the server > running for about 35 > seconds - not good. > What kind of noises? Barring any other indications of a hardware failure, it sounds like you simply need to replace the battery(ies). That said, if it turns out that you *do* need to replace the UPS, secondhand APC SmartUPSes can be had pretty cheaply on the secondhand market. It's not uncommon for SU1500 variants to go for around $100 minus battery (figure another $60-$75 for a pair of 18Ah SLAs). For a single server, an SU1500 is probably overkill but nobody ever complained about having too much reserve runtime... J _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 30 23:31:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C730C258461D for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 23:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869A02580809 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 23:31:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55000] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 9C/88-11035-4D3B2045; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 05:34:13 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 22:34:14 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/E2vY6zJ7QiSk6RfeG0sjsIC4z9gAASZaw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] UPS fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > That said, if it turns out that you *do* need to replace the > UPS, secondhand > APC SmartUPSes can be had pretty cheaply on the secondhand > market. I've now had two APC UPSes in a row fail the same way. Battery is good (and a new battery does not solve the problem). Unit passes self test every time. But when the power fails, they act exactly like what MJB described. Run about 10-15 seconds and quit. Best I can make out, the failure is in the battery sensing circuit. Output transistors seem OK, and the inverter will keep running for several minutes with a very light load (like a 60 watt light bulb). Nothing seems to get abnormally hot. First time I figured it was a random failure, but now one of the ones under my desk at work has developed the exact same symptoms. Fortunately I've not been running any long-term tests recently, so it really doesn't matter. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 06:10:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8542584611 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 06:10:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com (mail-ie0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411F4258449D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 06:10:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id tp5so4891357ieb.36 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 05:13:17 -0700 (PDT) s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pFTmdBdM7L36Q6pLJGTheiBMfw0pWWKHEzh3Gl44Qf0=; b=tCq/Y8pjo+qiQlHpLPIfOvgYOX5bxFXza7gYRjhEMaCg5L+je9iFmgjd2P5v3+aAC2 wKgvhOP/o/iVRn+iKdKX0YU5PTUTLoT9uQpXhiVEz9K+WJkyt4kYwhPlZV8VLD7kIjcF ZS3H1IFupTKN8YyDNQjR+yxQpmuIGuUn/ZUSg= d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=pFTmdBdM7L36Q6pLJGTheiBMfw0pWWKHEzh3Gl44Qf0=; b=juOtko2j9DuYBlSMAf9vluFShYcjdlLqBvJpSelcoUUuK/FXX10SY52doWZ1PgSh8e jiSMoEAdcQ4qT9E8hDbEW6SE2SQq2DJmJ1SSLRpo1PMiT+PPzqTqtXzKLIY17rgosCbD aLf9MCDvVNahf+IFF9zBkI/pQjGuQuEZ6oLI26qm2SFsZ+Hyivx/VoZ0t8mZs7pOCLZs WQ5vMBXhYN/Dkgm/PfTwVRJYwDTxEiWYNriBtRqvhdHkiqhyUCFbDyjVMCKPL5XYnBnu qTxxD7h4w9SooYRKdcHT6zvnDuAiyoktYgegUieuRwYzqCUveOFWU1HHTLrDz6YDpwis ZBxQ== k12mr4856907icl.18.1409487197030; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 05:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.28.73 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 05:13:16 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140831051753.GA21252@sackheads.org> <9C.88.11035.4D3B2045@cdptpa-oedge01> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:13:16 -0400 From: Ian McFetridge To: Randall Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] UPS fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I had an APC die the same way. After spending a bunch of time troubleshooting it, I got frustrated and bought a Cyberpower that has worked without issue for three years. I have another 1000VA APC and if it fails the same way I will probably replace it with a Cyberpower and feel lucky if I get more than 5 years out of it. - Ian I've now had two APC UPSes in a row fail the same way. Battery is good > (and a new battery does not solve the problem). Unit passes > self test every time. But when the power fails, they act exactly like > what MJB described. Run about 10-15 seconds and quit. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 08:57:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9B32584C3F for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f47.google.com (mail-la0-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA392580801 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:57:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id s18so4962354lam.34 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:00:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4/CNa04DmTVOSj3qNaX2kS7DwYUKM6j8veWdd/CFYg0=; b=nNhJglUTdZfUDjhAgJmEw+7k4aekX6zuKOr6lotLDs7qhpCMNNTgKHpZ8MpdpfHE1b nXQR6vURAAInKy62YI5RAMq+8bFc8zensH7QmcyeM6JX4qp4vDUHhWSYCfDAnEXTdcCa 9UiuAYQSDLLtFd3Xw1qPTzkHpG3J39Hyf+WVZ0Pz6Pmv2lx1t1JvaYeqwNP4JXKvXcwx RFDQ+EY4ysgYST0JJB05Z0yF4zdNWrAY6wtH/iGFZIuM+u39LRNBUNDlvVzuDM37CFo9 rJSTiPDjjWMKjeh7L2zu1p0hjoXXNy8MKHLaW3SQGSYzdqOzHuWJ3MXcBlZ4Wm6YZ6gr Kh7A== ku14mr21761345lbb.34.1409497218561; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.161.33 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:00:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <5400D4FA.8060909@dinospider.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:00:18 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Mike Rambour Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Delta Unisaw Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Is it a capacitor-start or -run motor? Is it running at normal speed? Have you ever blown all the sawdust out of the motor? Does it run OK with no load other than the blade (not cutting wood)? Those are the first things I'd consider... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Mike Rambour wrote: > Hi, > > I have a Delta Unisaw 1 1/2HP 220v model, its about 30-35 years old, I > bought it new in late 1970's or very early 1980s. It has worked flawlessly > until now. > > I needed to rip a plain old 2x4 the other day at a 45 (corner to corner on > the 3.5" side), so 2 passes and the saw kept overheating and shutting down. > Wait about 15 minutes and hit the "reset" button and it would work another > few feet. > > I was getting a lot of smoke and it did NOT smell like electrical smoke, > more like wood smoke but the wood was not getting burned as if the blade was > dull, no burn marks on the wood. The blade is fairly new and looks/feels > sharp but it was definitively straining at cutting the 2x4 at a 45 degree, > 2x4 was fairly dry, certainly not green. I did check the motor, not a lot > of sawdust on or around it. > > I didn't have a new blade to try but I am wondering if after 30+ years > either the "reset" breaker is going out OR if the motor is going out and how > to test it. The only other time I had this problem was years ago cutting a > 1/2" wide groove 1" deep into hundreds of boards. I had to make that cut in > 3 passes but I expected that problem since I had a dado blade cutting into > oak. I am going to try a new blade first :) > > This is home shop use, so the saw would be used heavily for a few months of > weekends on a project and then would sit unused for months until the next > project, I have done some really big projects on it and cut some serious > wood with it but I would not consider it heavily used. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive