From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 19 21:15:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B6B2584AE7 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4932580457 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:12:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049742C0086 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:12:29 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Team.Net Archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Finally some progress this weekend! Got the links in the postfix imap procmail mharc namazu cron chain all straightened out. Don't worry if you don't understand that part, just know that the messages to the Team.Net lists are now getting added to the archives on an hourly basis once again. Next on the list is getting all the missing months added. But for now, time for a cold one. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 16:47:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678B42580955 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E962580470 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UmdU1o0021u4NiLAFmnPHC; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:47:23 +0000 Received: from Mike ([98.247.129.48]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UmnN1o00K12niAi8hmnPsm; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:47:23 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:47:48 -0700 s=q20140121; t=1405896443; bh=61HQa6FWdHsAyx/J72O6qxlJRZK9OlMWX3q5QaGUzrM=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=kGNPAcNVbBSq/0j/aN8b1uyfaMXtOAjgwlAHsrNoXVkmD+mCo5o1ok4FMmD+Hxqvg 2ixs4TglbsIq+4R5HpG5jmjeL4XK3EH9/c286QPE2XRGamyt7685RIbuwPbcb96YYQ JQOucBE7kNM80KUdluqbldEX9mmvjiQLTNznqyY8HG8QFw5qsFhCsrS6FRi1Kk+dNv aFJ2sl/WGpP8eTXrq7nV+HQBR06Ydsd6NKmMGIxmpDkqEQeHv1teiF6s0uGjgBM+g8 IY0TVYQae7xt17oG4UIWYzsN8G+76B1+vsveGsi8MkAoeJnduxprZROJdM/tc9SHrK qlzFUzxpbr9BQ== Subject: [Shop-talk] air hose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net When I worked in a factory, some mechanics had an extension for the air hose. Basically a piece of pipe/conduit, with a quick disconnect on one end, all about 3 feet long. Great for blowing down an area. Is this something I can purchase, or is it something that must be cobbled up, maybe by brazing a fitting on the end of a pipe/conduit? I looked at HF, but didn't find anything. I don't really have the equipment to make one. Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 17:25:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D86A25809E3 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:25:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C1B2580973 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:25:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Un5h1o0020x6nqcAAnRe1n; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:25:38 +0000 Received: from Mike ([98.247.129.48]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UnRd1o00512niAi8YnRdks; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:25:38 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Elton E. \(Tony\) Clark" References: <2DCC8A4EC8CC4C44BAB27FD1906471E8@Mike> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:25:06 -0700 s=q20140121; t=1405898738; bh=jodaIuEVHwcbfxO+2MKA5XRUvBhdvLXHV6GbwyXbLaY=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=JPxjTMDemwxK7zkdtUC67Z+RtssoaGhJqbD2LmdoPnSWGWBXZ2gUcq8uqnDkcSG3f qPBzHIyNxLKKHU9dDJpiaR7+FLWIKv7GUxapx4GaA6ila7TnWsWgm1VZGU+3iiHWa0 ZaMRUB6aDOBCLzTSqaMQ2Jq/HaL7SgV8CyDTUdS2mmQF3O/SS+/6JNOe8aZ8FoMu+u +0U8Rze7CZmXiGu7diWkvn//qszRB4nzgKCbzAXAiFwOOcSXQdadEYIygKq+4lonIg SSHvkAazwEyBHhAEiRB8M8B4slmkjVG75+HrErKbJ1ZsdRUvnniOacXN0HIGkpeYBu 99y2nCfqVP1pQ== Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks. Sounds like what I am looking for, but can't find it on HF site. Any clues? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Elton E. (Tony) Clark To: Mike Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose Harbor Freight has a 3 foot long nozzle blowgun for your air line that's wonderful and costs about 4 bucks . Mine's 4 5 years old and still working.. Tony On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Mike wrote: When I worked in a factory, some mechanics had an extension for the air hose. Basically a piece of pipe/conduit, with a quick disconnect on one end, all about 3 feet long. Great for blowing down an area. Is this something I can purchase, or is it something that must be cobbled up, maybe by brazing a fitting on the end of a pipe/conduit? I looked at HF, but didn't find anything. I don't really have the equipment to make one. Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 17:33:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB5425809F4 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com (mail-wi0-f176.google.com [209.85.212.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF29225808F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id bs8so3245512wib.15 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:33:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zY4F7lXv2dZ9UVHzG7DJco+bkXSc52FtZjUFHTGKr0o=; b=J/yDpAayXElcponrAYnXhELmVGFm1/10cQ2978Le/UE0dCnc3dT5VinFt/MvKh2pgR vl7Ei0M+I51ujbUSFNxDSoJbbsl3NeXhClbdNtTt9QoJmkfvXM0DGK16fUgWbg0A/IzG 0i5BNZ37CyERTWgCFgNHMr8/HEcL6BxShUoytXFlsY6gXwl0buRcyhjcOPnsOCaLW2ZO ICC0z0b+qZRNSWn1aOLFhygyDc5inrBrhm22gkzrs0syNLn8AIudjrWz6aX2hFoEoU36 inmSe79PoFxS9vVULPlIDvXRP2+/XTkGcZRU5+GGnUE9BqBmabrXJq8HllKvFx5rMcN5 6PKg== ev2mr17059423wjb.76.1405899201434; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.67.194 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:33:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <2DCC8A4EC8CC4C44BAB27FD1906471E8@Mike> <626E0DCDFDAF47BDBF5E6782E230D8E6@Mike> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:33:21 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Mike , Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Check again! It's HF number 68257 air blowgun $3.99. Tony On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Mike wrote: > Thanks. Sounds like what I am looking for, but can't find it on HF > site. Any clues? > > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Elton E. (Tony) Clark > *To:* Mike > *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2014 3:53 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] air hose > > Harbor Freight has a 3 foot long nozzle blowgun for your air line that's > wonderful and costs about 4 bucks . Mine's 4 5 years old and still > working.. > Tony > > > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Mike wrote: > >> When I worked in a factory, some mechanics had an extension for the air >> hose. >> Basically a piece of pipe/conduit, with a quick disconnect on one end, all >> about 3 feet long. Great for blowing down an area. Is this something I >> can >> purchase, or is it something that must be cobbled up, maybe by brazing a >> fitting on the end of a pipe/conduit? I looked at HF, but didn't find >> anything. I don't really have the equipment to make one. >> >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 17:51:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89784258443B for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.185.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4032580A1A for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:51:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.7.68.55]) by nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0N91005PWBMSRQ80@nk11p10mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:52:05 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-07-20_02:2014-07-18,2014-07-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1407200327 From: Robert nogueira Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:51:59 -0500 To: Shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Bonding aluminum Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I need to bond a one or two square inch piece of sheet aluminum to a aluminum hood. The only purpose is stiffen a corner. I don't want to weld it in place and have to deal with the hood warping. What would be the best adhesive which will stand up to under hood heat. Thanks for any suggestions Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 18:08:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2767125849D0 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:08:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F15C2580B23 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:08:39 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1405901339; bh=Bmhb0DeIqTFkg+39Sm0KMpnrXoo/q9Zfx2pWeH6T1rk=; b=T78hRvJ18RTt0IyhT/2lBg7sc9XP0eawbZ6NKZ0WNuNfoIFTTWojBe6gdF4xXJkDUN93cNVSf+zlMH87fFOUM7PuASzVf5GuVwGzc2enunPrjW+/2r4+4nTSsWUvwxPBD7LrzCoP9wmxNnn2Syi2+qYqjXjRnzcLLrPAZ0wMic5UMcowHEfcJOTSksBBXo4Awh4ZQHfLE6TjEpju2w00m3C5/yQj0fWQGfo8U+IxmzfbnbDwumgJ7j9sSfWDl5+ccbpAtwkcWiMbFoao0Y2nvqMfrRjo5/6JLoRC8THLvucYttQHbCjs5zPNC4frGbLQQdFiTRKnvH89opKZBGY9gA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=att.net; b=O2vGRXbxeNQLyy3T/CMsKQMr+dKMv6gGOjrl7Os46WFmAa2XJGJwmRbzE3IjqueLtriudyEi5cfgwkqo1Fg8w+oiRSUeQlR+4S5TuH1ihnGUa3gKRKCeN8+Nw0v/IBJoXEaaoRZmkyIIoLqtfO4CX0Pewc8wbpwYOnj2nIfg34zTbO1ZezC4fTSO/Z5NJLEa7Ndd07fFiqLo0JZg/eurR/IODwvdPQPO54FNPi8Cd1LrEmWRfKx2fKx4UTRjbacMeCRu38hmfO4c1QjmZC7zfQ13mzijXZOVxHwbIGtdKRNpvoE5WB0U8Y+w9mJFciyqFHOjw1YRheSYF/WJyH7wZQ==; Received: from [66.196.81.166] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2014 00:08:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.51] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2014 00:08:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2014 00:08:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1405901339; bh=Bmhb0DeIqTFkg+39Sm0KMpnrXoo/q9Zfx2pWeH6T1rk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=djLrUbg+ACdetpsJL/eQi094CoayyWJb4p03kDAaeM2+mO+vlfeo1sd99pMfrmK/AOwZfIOx1uqeobEblP/AlLhn4/d6qPlRyap9HpBR/kDQVRTPkNiMFS5uzsSflxhpri1nG4ItaH0UhRH/k3f766mYpv8+ocvmiGUaNkdCrMA= Bvt8w.mKrkBOsMKttST1o_53Uq8TavOh2Ye3xZFo5PxLj49q6zuL0yoFuBog jexvZjHFEh358tt3xh1VXiyrA3fRBgjLUIIDv.GzqFoix65DlHl75jKCzFAb oL.8lrH2Jpt6.RBLhpRfEa_xmFkSG8DTM7AA5xf0v8ON6hy7nLNF6s7lfln2 blWSLyyGGHiY6cJqkG2xFf2yQu7w23tLMLOvl..Dhq3Yu7Syr8jznJNlDY_J XmHR4.h6ubGgv.PVGRgXRhpAweHF.yS4E4hECmDZ6GaUbJ0OplR14L2.F.jg zVTbZ54yXxRYe5Cbcz7ogICnzLzRBsYPFOS.cXs8JFHFyDz1hVLmzIqMZ_ox kUWe9imInSeJzA5WyFdy.QmO02Sev0qlljfPibkQQzWEQZln4CbmNrA3O6Ud T_Xhz0vJSOUnWv7gcoxcTxjUVkCIAn85ptEHfqnbba1rXv8s84JNYSIN0jV8 GA3zMoGyZMn2Bc7UVGdnk6fZjDaZL_sD77WtZVntsG7Ex.oAtpDm3UieRBOc n.EOcSYCAvLMDcXwcxxePQ0qsHMnMOEMCWb7_Fgg- Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:08:49 -0500 From: steve hochschild User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bonding aluminum Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net JB Weld, no?? On 7/20/2014 6:51 PM, Robert nogueira wrote: > I need to bond a one or two square inch piece of sheet aluminum to a aluminum hood. The only purpose is stiffen a corner. I don't want to weld it in place and have to deal with the hood warping. > What would be the best adhesive which will stand up to under hood heat. > Thanks for any suggestions > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shochschild@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 18:21:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE262584AE3 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:21:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C272580B6B for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id n3so3278014wiv.11 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:19:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=M2lRmPYlzMet1McQdlNMmCh6a4mZPmHlQS2HX26FiZM=; b=Chfr5UMvqBhEd89Eon0OHcrX2/OYd6pXOgWHvi36OrnfJlzOeMkN0mj8/AnvkS+eYG qBNcVDX/GwlBbBR1eM83fHOMjmzwj+U6lLicMLppIYWWwsQXfr0SCnkqjlfEqGF2Luht wo28dl7jVJ0DzDKp1iEeAV+hHvM/3rYXskSeClEMlLNuQFQ3cOQFPeHVLtPIZpXDjP1z i6D81RO6K9x2urwhKiQr41jdr2x69Vi0EcuXBwwrfKq+La9GPliPiMzhK1tIZBE/9E9n XC/2bzfaWPT0V0gWo1pQZqYaOWecEWgQVrWO4XPAMPkFsuGbXjocePpA0PCmTyKS78/T wnzw== jd13mr53856733wic.9.1405901989579; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.67.194 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:19:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <53CC5A11.10208@att.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:19:49 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: steve hochschild Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bonding aluminum Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Use a two part epoxy mix, dab it on wet-or-dry sandpaper and scrub a bright spot on both surfaces; that gets the adhesive in contact with base metal instead of oxides, add more mix and clap it in place . . it's going to stay! On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:08 PM, steve hochschild wrote: > JB Weld, no?? > > > > On 7/20/2014 6:51 PM, Robert nogueira wrote: > >> I need to bond a one or two square inch piece of sheet aluminum to a >> aluminum hood. The only purpose is stiffen a corner. I don't want to weld >> it in place and have to deal with the hood warping. >> What would be the best adhesive which will stand up to under hood heat. >> Thanks for any suggestions >> >> Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ >> options/shop-talk/shochschild@att.net >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 18:52:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE9D2580BAB for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E902580BAB for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:49:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55005] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id B1/82-07747-3C36CC35; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 00:50:12 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:50:13 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+kcfXaVs8widxDR1aw9T4bViRppwACfH4w Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Thanks. Sounds like what I am looking for, but can't find it > on HF site. Any > clues? Here's a link, but it's only about 2 feet long. http://tinyurl.com/pwbxoug IIRC, the threads were 1/8" NPT, so it might be fairly easy to buy the parts to extend it further, if need be. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 19:45:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134852584AE7 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:45:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2DE2580A63 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:45:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Upbg1o0040b6N64A8plcEJ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 01:45:36 +0000 Received: from Mike ([98.247.129.48]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Uplb1o00Q12niAi8Pplb0l; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 01:45:36 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Randall" References: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:45:38 -0700 s=q20140121; t=1405907136; bh=Fvp8ZIgqnIQ3l7cYeD1RmrMZbtF9MXZxGI7a9JHRFvY=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=eMao8lAH+KrtolWdr9qTT7w/BFmiZwABEaxw9sOEZuehgtTWuxiNyBwi4MIQB6vxI lbjZMTdteLCzYNBaQv5ktrH+fYZROnz0tdmLARg0aH5xvNwMeI74t+Nj+b77H6z+PD hNJavnhNdZx0VmtQPszqIyS9EfR5R8q7zzj7pfY9Kssv1bAkWZArBF0OD9uJAu/rT0 Y7/+Z6WsGc31zcAnCeC2YNn5oWfqvXDBYP133cPE5NAJ+IsdJXLE1d+r6RMJM3KojT e9WUeMLERmarUI0lFF33EuUtU1CfJMdFd2/pSJCJAVQxDohXxL0voBRzFN2AbMFjWj OjuQ6vB/nDnFg== Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, thanks, I did find that (at Tony's suggestion). 2 ft long may be enough. I will go by HF this week and see what they have. Mike ===================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'Shop Talk'" Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose >> Thanks. Sounds like what I am looking for, but can't find it >> on HF site. Any >> clues? > > Here's a link, but it's only about 2 feet long. > http://tinyurl.com/pwbxoug > > IIRC, the threads were 1/8" NPT, so it might be fairly easy to buy the > parts to extend it further, if need be. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 19:45:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8092584AF9 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:45:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566CB258493A for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:45:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52185104524 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 01:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by localhost (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id aZz5xgzfvLRn for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 01:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.182.149.62]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B26E423B3A for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 01:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:45:46 -0700 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Shop Talk References: <2DCC8A4EC8CC4C44BAB27FD1906471E8@Mike> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just go to the BORG or hardware store. Find a quick disconnect fitting the same style as your hose uses. It'll be threaded on the other end, either male or female. Take it to the plumbing department and tell the guy there you need a 3 foot (or so) piece of 1/4" black or galvanized pipe and a fitting to screw THIS (show him the air fitting) on the end. Screw together. Done. On 7/20/2014 3:47 PM, Mike wrote: > When I worked in a factory, some mechanics had an extension for the air hose. > Basically a piece of pipe/conduit, with a quick disconnect on one end, all > about 3 feet long. Great for blowing down an area. Is this something I can > purchase, or is it something that must be cobbled up, maybe by brazing a > fitting on the end of a pipe/conduit? I looked at HF, but didn't find > anything. I don't really have the equipment to make one. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 21:25:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05602584438 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 21:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2422258075C for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 21:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.130] ([::ffff:10.1.2.130]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,AES128-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 20:25:25 -0700 id 000000000028001F.0000000053CC8825.000058C5 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 20:24:52 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <53CC5A11.10208@att.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bonding aluminum Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/20/2014 5:19 PM, Elton E. (Tony) Clark wrote: > Use a two part epoxy mix, dab it on wet-or-dry sandpaper and scrub a bright > spot on both surfaces; that gets the adhesive in contact with base metal > instead of oxides, add more mix and clap it in place . . it's going to > stay! My choice for stuff like that: http://www.smooth-on.com/Epoxy,-Silicone-an/c11_1125_1178/index.html And yeah, properly prepared the joint should last fine. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 16:25:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FCF258447C for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:25:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S25.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s25.hotmail.com [65.55.111.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F202580721 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:25:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W50 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S25.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Mon, 21 Jul 2014 15:25:59 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:26:00 -0500 FILETIME=[BFA71620:01CFA532] Subject: [Shop-talk] electrical question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have an odd situation... Our house has existing knob and tube in some spots. The three season front porch is one such spot: Up above the ceiling is a line that feeds a ceiling fan. Off the fan is a line that feeds an indoor outlet, an outdoor outlet and the front porch light. Ive never had any issues with this circuit before today. The outside light is (was) always on using a compact fluorescent bulb. I believe this bulb failed a couple days ago but am not certain. I know it didnt work last night for sure. All of a sudden this afternoon, the inside outlet stopped working. We had had the fan on and were using a small shop vac at the same time. Now, the fan and its light still work but the rest of the circuit no longer has power. I checked the connections, found a loose ground connection, fixed that and it wall all good. I put the cover back on the junction box and put the outlet back together. Now there is no power to the outlets or the outside light fixture again. When I put my meter on the wires in the junction box, I dont get 120 volts. It seems to hover around 50. (I had been getting 120 before I put the cover back on and put the outlet back together.) The fan seems to work fine and its light is also fine. I am clueless when it comes to electricity so any suggestions are welcome please. Thanks all tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 17:08:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D37B258447C for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:08:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f180.google.com (mail-yk0-f180.google.com [209.85.160.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609FD2580722 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:08:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yk0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 200so4410793ykr.39 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=miXDkQUBvvC8eQMDws1/y+s4vsfi3vJ4z5j5B0b2FNE=; b=hhjCW3zx6gRXQ1459Pyo/5Tg8rud5eev/0qv3DHMxh7yaJsmKf87G/LNc3bxF4MKp7 vH2zVnGbQrGrdxaxli6vy9DDPOFlFbYnd2LKK6WOlUXn3b15g93KpFAxN3CHXR15dmTX b0Jih3W2ouH0UecxvVXdejsxoeTKllD1X8f+mKxAXuZJ1FjzOMtDedyHjAGvhikcOKzl TU215foIcfAURqU3IYKXYBm4aPqoXY9SjOyJE+yZaYYBknNtdTqG5OzubCCrqJQ3T/6n 8rCB66uFnd0qKuwFQL5aMhi5ct46bnJsbhTXlNrrCRco8jqVzaa9R0fkueZiIN60TkuQ AxaQ== i9mr2344184yhd.139.1405984152296; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.140.85 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:09:12 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: "Tim ." , Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That 50-volt reading is a red herring. There is an open in the line somewhere, and the section connected to the voltmeter is just picking up stray voltage. If you tried to put an actual load on that line, the voltage would disappear. Doug On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Tim . wrote: > I have an odd situation... > Our house has existing knob > and tube in some spots. The three season front > porch is one such spot: Up above > the ceiling is a line that feeds a ceiling > fan. Off the fan is a line that > feeds an indoor outlet, an outdoor outlet and > the front porch light. I ve never > had any issues with this circuit before > today. The outside light is (was) always > on using a compact fluorescent bulb. > I believe this bulb failed a couple days > ago but am not certain. I know it > didn t work last night for sure. > > All of a sudden this > afternoon, the inside outlet stopped working. We had had > the fan on and were > using a small shop vac at the same time. Now, the fan and > its light still work > but the rest of the circuit no longer has power. I > checked the connections, > found a loose ground connection, fixed that and it > wall all good. I put the > cover back on the junction box and put the outlet > back together. Now there is > no power to the outlets or the outside light > fixture again. > > When I put my meter on the > wires in the junction box, I don t get 120 volts. > It seems to hover around 50. (I > had been getting 120 before I put the cover > back on and put the outlet back > together.) > > > > The fan seems to work fine > and its light is also fine. > > I am clueless when it comes > to electricity so any suggestions are welcome > please. > > Thanks all > > > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 17:37:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAA62580BA2 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEDC2580722 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:36:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BF840119C04 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:37:19 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=yiYh/Jkq8q2l4wsQW7eUQagbaZE=; b=V3fKq7umIHG5 +HFWYs0BhgP9RHd6zARjooynDc9asFG8PmHt6RD3lpfCB0pJ6xsYhyaDOCboDo53 q56vRNVXAhcVhrMSseHEmsyIgHxENVBr137pL7I7NryPLFYi4Q/GNbXwrF1VSpuz ShFBqNOS4kH9nnsyZ7/nDn7giCtW71g= Received: from warehouse-four-twenty-two.mit.edu (warehouse-four-twenty-two.mit.edu [18.139.6.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B374140119C02 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:37:17 -0400 References: To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net So, when you fixed the bad ground, the outlet was working, but once you covered up the box, it wasn't working? Do the wires for that first outlet attach via the "push-in" holes in the back of the outlet, or via the screw terminals on the side? If the former, the springs inside loosen up over time and cause intermittent connectivity (and arcing, which starts fires). jim On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Tim . wrote: > I have an odd situation... > Our house has existing knob > and tube in some spots. The three season front > porch is one such spot: Up above > the ceiling is a line that feeds a ceiling > fan. Off the fan is a line that > feeds an indoor outlet, an outdoor outlet and > the front porch light. Ive never > had any issues with this circuit before > today. The outside light is (was) always > on using a compact fluorescent bulb. > I believe this bulb failed a couple days > ago but am not certain. I know it > didnt work last night for sure. > > All of a sudden this > afternoon, the inside outlet stopped working. We had had > the fan on and were > using a small shop vac at the same time. Now, the fan and > its light still work > but the rest of the circuit no longer has power. I > checked the connections, > found a loose ground connection, fixed that and it > wall all good. I put the > cover back on the junction box and put the outlet > back together. Now there is > no power to the outlets or the outside light > fixture again. > > When I put my meter on the > wires in the junction box, I dont get 120 volts. > It seems to hover around 50. (I > had been getting 120 before I put the cover > back on and put the outlet back > together.) > > > > The fan seems to work fine > and its light is also fine. > > I am clueless when it comes > to electricity so any suggestions are welcome > please. > > Thanks all > > > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 07:22:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0563C25844A0 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:22:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9B8258041C for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PatsOffice ([38.103.208.34]) by p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id VRNh1o0090l45Le01RNhdh; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 06:22:42 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: "'Tim .'" , "'Shop Talk'" References: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 08:22:38 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac+lMtbvcQmLEgrCS6ahkMO7iOM3FQAfMJzw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tim, You said that you have knob and tube wiring in this area. Can you give me a better understanding of how the outlets and fan are fed? For example, does power come to the fan via knob & tube, then go to the outlets and porch light via the same knob and tube, or are they fed from the ceiling fan via romex or more knob and tube? As others have mentioned, it sounds like you have a loose connection either in the junction box, or whatever feeds it. I'll be happy to help with this. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim . Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 5:26 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] electrical question I have an odd situation... Our house has existing knob and tube in some spots. The three season front porch is one such spot: Up above the ceiling is a line that feeds a ceiling fan. Off the fan is a line that feeds an indoor outlet, an outdoor outlet and the front porch light. Ive never had any issues with this circuit before today. The outside light is (was) always on using a compact fluorescent bulb. I believe this bulb failed a couple days ago but am not certain. I know it didnt work last night for sure. All of a sudden this afternoon, the inside outlet stopped working. We had had the fan on and were using a small shop vac at the same time. Now, the fan and its light still work but the rest of the circuit no longer has power. I checked the connections, found a loose ground connection, fixed that and it wall all good. I put the cover back on the junction box and put the outlet back together. Now there is no power to the outlets or the outside light fixture again. When I put my meter on the wires in the junction box, I dont get 120 volts. It seems to hover around 50. (I had been getting 120 before I put the cover back on and put the outlet back together.) The fan seems to work fine and its light is also fine. I am clueless when it comes to electricity so any suggestions are welcome please. Thanks all tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 23 15:13:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CAF25807EE for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072792584553 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:13:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Vwmn1o0031wfjNsAAxDjnX; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:13:43 +0000 Received: from Mike ([98.247.129.48]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VxDj1o00212niAi8jxDj0A; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:13:43 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Shop Talk" References: Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 14:14:02 -0700 s=q20140121; t=1406150023; bh=c4xVwIdYPH+zcOknIYgELahHcZj4Mvltgo5+oOECZOQ=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=frgeCacpEl1dqczuHL5JW6S/7lxvDCFXVYxoEndXLJ3Fi/pz26kHYMDerntKrxnpa kGXqkjkhChcLmHo3rU3Z5gpFLCxjH/2xYlTkvVfjltDJywhfu35R1yJNakUNFsbO2a rqsykZqn5iTSMKJFrlgg7gQ0GDI56BYrW8W2VX38AXBY3XlNV5wTQjGbU4H43Qkc7m A7tYWFX5+69jsUaRux3nvig0lo1wbo0tJ19Unz63fMsUPED8uudNJE8SDd8Q9NUXHg oTsaCUMAd7Na5Hug8cN2sbpmCQEYido90GCwp7E9OgBK/SA43awvtiTMVz1ATJfGt+ Y1cJm32oEbjFQ== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all for your help. Found what I needed at HF. A little shorter than I was looking for, but it will do fine. Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 23 20:14:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B168C2584733 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 20:14:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com (mail-pa0-f51.google.com [209.85.220.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6BF25804C2 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 20:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ey11so2871141pad.24 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:14:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iIA5pan6P69go22OeRjDsOu3io4fqkZAumMO2JfAllU=; b=NaYghThaDRES40tjTp72I4ugJT491avuScJhrOWrkecw8a2eiLBP+ixuJ7EUzm8Y7I TXTx2013XQZbYcZNIbvsHz7R/JwXhPKZGqFAv1766KXtJF8jOHiuZQqSMybQGxE9Fqha 5yjkowahRjuY2vgGzJPb76qq/21+d7Jd4vugPyDyGK3OHHhksllh16PZzZ6RHF5Jc/94 BU6cGQx85h0qpo2ySqPuP7307MghDOr6Xk2Ojbw4VYBDdf8jt0PY6V65IuIAZfAmSkGV bU7IFBmr7IcKLuvXdy6WSDcjfTcoXOGBMS01/cZtAKwXZxLTW+w5CfLiuI/haDknf1Tv puwg== qa3mr6551297pab.77.1406168068115; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.2.165 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:14:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <52DD80FA-3C4A-4D26-B76B-7027D520B713@groupwbench.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:14:28 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > So, when you fixed the bad ground, the outlet was working, but once you > covered up the box, it wasn't working? > > Do the wires for that first outlet attach via the "push-in" holes in the back > of the outlet, or via the screw terminals on the side? If the former, the > springs inside loosen up over time and cause intermittent connectivity (and > arcing, which starts fires). > It's worth pointing out that there are two different ways that wires can go into the back of a switch or receptacle. The first is commonly called "back stab", which is what Jim is describing: the wires are held in place by spring tension, and are just pushed in. (Leviton's trade name for this is 'QuickWire'). There's a tab that can, in theory, be used to remove the device, without cutting the wire. These are cheap, nasty, and prone to failure, they're only on the cheapest outlets. The second style are called 'back wire', and use a screw to hold the wire in place. Usually that's the same screw and clamp that the side wire would use (And you can use both, if you need an extra way to take a wire off). These are good, and are found on good quality industrial and commercial grade outlets. If you have back stab devices, replace, or wire them on the side. Get some spares, so the next one you find, you can just replace without a trip to store. I expect Tim's problem is at, or very near, whatever box he's been working on. Knob and tube is evil stuff, and when it gets modified, people do weird and stupid stuff. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 07:12:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE792584701 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S23.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s23.hotmail.com [65.55.111.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDAA2580444 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W3 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S23.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Thu, 24 Jul 2014 06:10:50 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 08:10:49 -0500 FILETIME=[B0C5EAE0:01CFA740] Subject: [Shop-talk] electrical issue better defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I re-read my OP. Let's see if I can be more clear on my description.... (From what I remember when we did the roof above this porch) it is knob and tube to the fan--I didn't open up the fan to verify the connection but the only wires above the ceiling were knob and tube and the only electrical on the porch is this: I can see Romex from the fan to a junction box. From the junction box there is a (romex) split to the outside porch light and another romex split to the inside outlet. The inside outlet is the type where the wires screw into the side. From the inside outlet is a set of wires that are run to the outside weather proof outlet, again romex. Some have mentioned having a light plugged into the outlet while trying to test the circuit. Let me ask this: If I have the wall switch (the wall switch is inside the house) turned on and the ceiling fan running, then there (used to be) should be power running to the outside light so there should be a draw on the circuit while I am trying to determine voltage. Is this correct? I also had plugged in a small shop vac into the inside outlet and then tested the wires again and got what appeared to be a low voltage reading. Again, all this time the ceiling fan was running and its light worked as well. I double checked all the connections in the junction box and also the wires into the outlet and all appear to be nice and tight. I have had many issues/problems with all the contractors (roofer for the second story, electrician for wiring up a 240 circuit, major appliance repair and more) I had work on this house. If I can find an electrician I can trust I would replace this knob and tube but it is from one of end the house to the other so wont be cheap. Id prefer to solve what has to be a simple issue. I can also get an electrician to try to sort this but that is the last resort. Thanks all! Beers and dinner on me if anyone is ever in southern WI!! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 07:14:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC93258472E for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:14:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S6.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s6.hotmail.com [65.55.111.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD8A2580444 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:14:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W71 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Thu, 24 Jul 2014 06:14:52 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 08:14:51 -0500 References: FILETIME=[40EEFA30:01CFA741] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical issue better defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I am thinking I need to open up the fan and see if the connection to the romex run is good...... > From: tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 08:10:49 -0500 > Subject: [Shop-talk] electrical issue better defined > > I re-read my OP. Let's see > if I can be more clear on my description.... > > > > (From what I remember when > we did the roof above this porch) it is knob and > tube to the fan--I didn't open > up the fan to verify the connection but the > only wires above the > ceiling were knob and tube and the only electrical on the > porch is this: I can > see Romex from the fan to a junction box. From the > junction box there > is a (romex) split to the outside porch light and another > romex > split to the inside outlet. The inside outlet is the type where the > wires screw > into the side. From the inside outlet is a set of wires that are > run to the > outside weather proof outlet, again romex. > > > > Some have mentioned having > a light plugged into the outlet while trying to > test the circuit. Let me > ask this: If I have the wall switch (the wall switch > is inside the house) > turned on and the ceiling fan running, then there (used > to be) should > be power running to the outside light so there should be a draw > on > the circuit while I am trying to determine voltage. Is this correct? I > also > had plugged in a small shop vac into the inside outlet and then tested the > wires again and got what appeared to be a low voltage reading. Again, all this > time the ceiling fan was running and its light worked as well. > > > > I double checked all the > connections in the junction box and also the wires > into the outlet and all > appear to be nice and tight. > > > > I have had many issues/problems > with all the contractors (roofer for the > second story, electrician for wiring up a 240 circuit, major appliance repair > and more) I had work on this house. If I > can find an electrician I can trust > I would replace this knob and tube but it > is from one of end the house to the > other so wont be cheap. Id prefer to > solve what has to be a simple issue. I > can also get an electrician to try to > sort this but that is the last resort. > > > > Thanks all! > > > Beers and dinner on me if > anyone is ever in southern WI!! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 07:37:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500452584777 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB122584766 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:37:16 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:26:33 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 07/24/2014 09:26:39, Serialize complete at 07/24/2014 09:26:39 Subject: [Shop-talk] Electrical safety question (and Alaska local question) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, so I picked up a used 'construction office' trailer this weekend. The idea for me is to use it as a mobile studio for the SO to paint and do other crafts. The trailer was already wired for 240v. Inside the trailer each leg becomes a separate 15 amp circuit (on their own breaker.) Here is what I did temporarily to get power to the trailer (and what I want to do permanently if it is safe.) I spliced the 240v line into two separate 120 volt lines. (splitting the common and ground into each plug.) This way, I just need to plug both plugs into a duplex receptacle (much more common) and I don't need to have a dedicated 240v outlet to use the trailer. There are no 240v circuits inside the trailer that would require 2 separate 'legs'. Is this safe? (or 'safe enough') The power is just for the lights, and a fan, radio, glue gun or something like that. I'm not running any heavy duty equipment from it. (I may add a TV or video game cabinet at some point.) Am I crazy? Side note- I'll be in Anchorage, AK next week. Anyone here up in that part of the woods? I'll buy lunch. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 07:54:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06930258475E for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:54:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDC62580BC7 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:54:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WDks1o0040vp7WLADDur40; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:54:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([73.37.74.167]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WDui1o00c3cZmBM8RDulN8; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:54:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 06:54:28 -0700 From: MattMahony User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: s=q20140121; t=1406210091; bh=VVQZBqzR9uzxhqVQskSkteYQbduI4R7/Btg6uhp2ozk=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=tJS3B8YOQnq28LsflfxEIqLWbWeLWjn8hkR81vDW0BqOC4ZpFAm+PfToWQR5iWvkT BTQa5qd6zkK3PvkjvajNGVQqTIUFCkBpyLW+SAZ91CWQriRgmpmoaBxLinweuq9NUD DCl0dWl+z3NBGLmYkunA0oE35fcbr3gV4KOO/ntbKhYJGcSmftJPMVQpp1fCE183E1 /XYXgQv+DNITXCOTvW0VR2aePSV0ZKiqoUJnJSPpEwjUlYfpUKIpAxdKwqo/ySTGJP 070OgCT8VhHaxIzvDwTs9uBNOmIj1RH9kq2X6vNAHCbSqe0du+Ku3D7jeThVCTONse McfhU1cIyvYHw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electrical safety question (and Alaska local question) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric; The problem is that you are supplying two branch circuits (in the trailer) from a single branch circuit (the duplex receptacle). Your total available amperage is limited by the single branch circuit and it will be easier to trip the single breaker feeding that branch. This setup is a violation of the NEC but it wouldn't be unsafe as long as it is properly grounded. It truly would be more convinient in the long run to supply it with a 240V 15A circuit. Most generators have this output capacity. A 12 Ga, 3 wire with ground cable is not that expensive and would make your setup portable. Matt On 7/24/2014 6:26 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, so I picked up a used 'construction office' trailer this weekend. The > idea for me is to use it as a mobile studio for the SO to paint and do > other crafts. > > The trailer was already wired for 240v. Inside the trailer each leg > becomes a separate 15 amp circuit (on their own breaker.) > > Here is what I did temporarily to get power to the trailer (and what I > want to do permanently if it is safe.) > > I spliced the 240v line into two separate 120 volt lines. (splitting the > common and ground into each plug.) > > This way, I just need to plug both plugs into a duplex receptacle (much > more common) and I don't need to have a dedicated 240v outlet to use the > trailer. > > There are no 240v circuits inside the trailer that would require 2 > separate 'legs'. > > Is this safe? (or 'safe enough') > > The power is just for the lights, and a fan, radio, glue gun or something > like that. I'm not running any heavy duty equipment from it. (I may add > a TV or video game cabinet at some point.) > > Am I crazy? > > Side note- I'll be in Anchorage, AK next week. Anyone here up in that > part of the woods? I'll buy lunch. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mattmahony@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 08:47:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A450258071B for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 08:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f170.google.com (mail-ig0-f170.google.com [209.85.213.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF578258043C for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 08:47:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f170.google.com with SMTP id h3so6605110igd.5 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FXqBBSahUxqGM/UPVJPe0aGReInrf1HM3LGP1006WIw=; b=CNlAMpQWx6znTFaTo/5hX4cmO3hQe2k1/+zyKPMeZKzSpsrX5IbXNqOFBQ0ccVSJJ4 P34hv2n9L3R6D8MPiy9kPqlJqhXS6YiwrajVl3neCDCiyecK6nlng9U0gYrpFzJp+UYI tQv9aLFvoMjhD3zEdzuc5vzioxKMVr+kKmlXWg1/TxZiu5VbcSXg3TnN4/fo6imGmTBN RMIVT2diO0HJ+MgbAZ6FcNXvMxTQWNxUgXC0ws1jBcqI4k4VYdy4uMwPVq/g3b4/PPOj MdCVUuTI4MVMevIWVVy4l/S4hr2qKRv0CuRGl7k9b6kRpoDwpj7d4culF69YfsBIqLsG k3iQ== hj4mr15485064igb.43.1406213280411; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.80.197 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:48:00 -0400 From: Mark Andy To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electrical safety question (and Alaska local question) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, If I'm reading it correctly, you're doing basically what lots of motorhomes do. Ours has a 240v 50A power connection. There are no 240vac loads in the coach. Adapters are used to combine the 240vac hot legs together, sharing a common neutral and ground, to enable you to plug into a 110vac line. That means that in the coach what were separate 110vac runs now share a common hot wire, but aside from that combining those loads on the supply circuit (which almost certainly means there's less power available), there's no negative effect. Mark On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:26 AM, wrote: > OK, so I picked up a used 'construction office' trailer this weekend. The > idea for me is to use it as a mobile studio for the SO to paint and do > other crafts. > > The trailer was already wired for 240v. Inside the trailer each leg > becomes a separate 15 amp circuit (on their own breaker.) > > Here is what I did temporarily to get power to the trailer (and what I > want to do permanently if it is safe.) > > I spliced the 240v line into two separate 120 volt lines. (splitting the > common and ground into each plug.) > > This way, I just need to plug both plugs into a duplex receptacle (much > more common) and I don't need to have a dedicated 240v outlet to use the > trailer. > > There are no 240v circuits inside the trailer that would require 2 > separate 'legs'. > > Is this safe? (or 'safe enough') > > The power is just for the lights, and a fan, radio, glue gun or something > like that. I'm not running any heavy duty equipment from it. (I may add > a TV or video game cabinet at some point.) > > Am I crazy? > > Side note- I'll be in Anchorage, AK next week. Anyone here up in that > part of the woods? I'll buy lunch. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 08:49:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291912584566 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 08:49:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm18.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC92E258043C for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 08:49:53 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1406213416; bh=TGJnGL++FLpZ4URK1iBiKpsi5m9Qbv70CilzyyT9co8=; h=Received:Received:Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=fSlwlE+aeelnLkqUy+kInlmSowqON6ZEOJFkXD3xqTEU9U9QZy+FX+pAdxMRpVfXxzaxdAxriF01QIE0DipsBlfXJ8DsEVtPd44mfRF0AWDwJqmN9H4h6KnXqWp83oQfAnIWZ7DsTnWayVmsyjRGM3rQDdDiqOBK8Kjf4mWmaaf1n9Ak07vMg1DO606is8oiZvWFa0O7P9lxO0WYKiZGMK8NsUkkxDs4L3bQ32pOTezqFPX8bX3T6jHGXBzPcnUU+LF6e3IV+y/WYqSwqEPJmuoFGHxjKY1kzRscu+ilO/KkOueC2GeL07FCkNbftHoAeQoFIlXY3jY4ZslpvQTZnA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=ameritech.net; b=m1/1rfoxKR7Glk3WCuGB4C+wcXaCiCneFOnLZTClAdg0GYM7KN26LD5rAnKEyviajd+elVFnTSjREhwH+4DpZhhzBC4wdX8EgymB6N5TOieQsQvLVcm7fWWNvCzmOXP5sTqr/MtR/55IhbrdlcLd7esOPYtPgbq8XTPnCLHKF7vXot4rxtNm2a2Nfift38H4aycamaCYr6fHyjp3DTPXcZSRT7ZO3ppamyDO7qalFR0nIdhugJXs/H6+XnI8oqs093T1rRn4MIKNfFeEB68CnEohlJDHYa0bTrc8swS1U8yDLnuf6HJvQcghq+SXKKQYPb4KowlGA74asoq1Rb66cQ==; Received: from [66.196.81.156] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2014 14:50:16 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.51] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2014 14:50:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2014 14:50:16 -0000 lTwKHNN14sja1.Rb.n0jYynmZz.bQ.adm7m0hVbA2xjA30iccQ1UllUruG3O BJm1qEcuzNypIFnKRmMOJggAF3TEDIKwxDBmbtQxnNxcJYRaWyYEAWph4RYz JYgUXusAqm52PJfL8q3ICAM7Q1oHzO0uMJGJjr3uOCIvqFs.Ceqgi.H8VeAd Le6EB.1LBTnnKHLPPEyC8xOKt9UHetBzMycYbnVcUBmH23nOR.1dQhWoqs2f ojSC_9Pw2xldLFMHBxHyDDXm5l5mRtXg4vCBszy2jI5JRvko1D_ChwDe5yEy 8uAzasr4H7MA_OHNGMiDQppF6oY0tn3aFmk20BU_JON0zdfPEUjg2xDBnMSM Rz4OdPtwr7et6jcpjMJDpMvbXvA4fF1vHQYIh4vT3ej1lhn5p8JZJsq2wsmA fmSVqiTDpaw_sacRKlYsHtGTrdxl38kFA9qG2I.b7ej3YK.W5Xv90hQSF_n4 geWwa51MKhC5ppqmcKFdFd3QYwjhkATZo_tDig4GSt10OKnqVQTlg.2lF0VV pRuO5IZuftmDx8pP9II9Ngrx4kMDRynOuXYkdifXxFTY- From: "Karl Vacek" To: , References: <53D11014.2010105@Comcast.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:50:18 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIrKq1IlUbLiUAYZYbb13qKzMnipQGPBIfEmuvOJaA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electrical safety question (and Alaska local question) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Another consideration is that internally to the trailer wiring the manufacturer might have shared neutrals, which is fine as long as circuits sharing a neutral are on opposite phases. Even if you plug each of your split-circuit plugs into separate circuits, if they're on the same phase (in the breaker box), any shared neutrals in the trailer could be overloaded. This is dependent upon the total load used on both circuits. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MattMahony Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:54 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electrical safety question (and Alaska local question) Eric; The problem is that you are supplying two branch circuits (in the trailer) from a single branch circuit (the duplex receptacle). Your total available amperage is limited by the single branch circuit and it will be easier to trip the single breaker feeding that branch. This setup is a violation of the NEC but it wouldn't be unsafe as long as it is properly grounded. It truly would be more convinient in the long run to supply it with a 240V 15A circuit. Most generators have this output capacity. A 12 Ga, 3 wire with ground cable is not that expensive and would make your setup portable. Matt On 7/24/2014 6:26 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, so I picked up a used 'construction office' trailer this weekend. > The idea for me is to use it as a mobile studio for the SO to paint > and do other crafts. > > The trailer was already wired for 240v. Inside the trailer each leg > becomes a separate 15 amp circuit (on their own breaker.) > > Here is what I did temporarily to get power to the trailer (and what I > want to do permanently if it is safe.) > > I spliced the 240v line into two separate 120 volt lines. (splitting > the common and ground into each plug.) > > This way, I just need to plug both plugs into a duplex receptacle > (much more common) and I don't need to have a dedicated 240v outlet to > use the trailer. > > There are no 240v circuits inside the trailer that would require 2 > separate 'legs'. > > Is this safe? (or 'safe enough') > > The power is just for the lights, and a fan, radio, glue gun or > something like that. I'm not running any heavy duty equipment from > it. (I may add a TV or video game cabinet at some point.) > > Am I crazy? > > Side note- I'll be in Anchorage, AK next week. Anyone here up in > that part of the woods? I'll buy lunch. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your > territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mattmahony@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/kvacek@ameritech.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 22:38:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F67C25848AC for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 22:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f49.google.com (mail-pa0-f49.google.com [209.85.220.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7A52584875 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 22:38:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id hz1so5237871pad.8 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 21:38:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=tG2CVdHNsWHEBxx8eU6UvEZmrVuM/MGJYjuo45XUZwg=; b=0mhfduZfZiDXsEAsdsC7lWHR/RRy7w/cMV06PczND4XuLQ51mgUwrAQJvDJHv+uIKV iwlb6NirxunYOtD0JmUS6KcoMIONM366qun4Fc27aF4HfSDHE9wQVtUil53WGYTbn6M2 YvfKKOz+7GwWcfS8JGLmOdIlLgaKk9tnTwVEgvKOAuLR3x2ip92hAxVxRW7LjwMUapb2 VniaYdXGIcrkWd4+rvVLm2Bh2Yo4LGVcP0kwgnCH4KXa+6qHQj2hkh5TzbNiZTNMDM/a DE93F2c6oh+oKeJkgt0zA/CGCOoT+L3EpS8OKbXH9xbhlTgb6zusVWCM6eAFAqy37PNl wWcg== sh7mr15725250pbb.7.1406263130875; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 21:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.2.165 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 21:38:50 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 23:38:50 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: "Tim ." Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical issue better defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Tim . wrote: > I re-read my OP. Let's see > if I can be more clear on my description.... > > > > (From what I remember when > we did the roof above this porch) it is knob and > tube to the fan--I didn't open > up the fan to verify the connection but the > only wires above the > ceiling were knob and tube and the only electrical on the > porch is this: I can > see Romex from the fan to a junction box. From the > junction box there > is a (romex) split to the outside porch light and another > romex > split to the inside outlet. The inside outlet is the type where the > wires screw > into the side. From the inside outlet is a set of wires that are > run to the > outside weather proof outlet, again romex. > > > > Some have mentioned having > a light plugged into the outlet while trying to > test the circuit. Let me > ask this: If I have the wall switch (the wall switch > is inside the house) > turned on and the ceiling fan running, then there (used > to be) should > be power running to the outside light so there should be a draw > on > the circuit while I am trying to determine voltage. Is this correct? I > also > had plugged in a small shop vac into the inside outlet and then tested the > wires again and got what appeared to be a low voltage reading. Again, all this > time the ceiling fan was running and its light worked as well. > > If the fan works, you know the wire up to the fan is good. The fault is somewhere downstream of it, including the connection at the fan's box. Given the description before, the likely failure is between the fan (again, including the connections at its box) and the junction box. If you're lucky, it's loose at the fan, and replacing a wire nut solves your problem, but it could well be a broken (or varmint chewed...) wire in the wall. Taking the fan apart to get at its wiring is clearly the next step. After that I'd start checking the continuity of the wires. In the absence of sufficiently long test leads, you can short the hot and neutral together at one point, and then test that there's low resistance between them at other points. If there's not, then you know what segment has the problem, and work out what the best way to run new wire is. If there is, then you have something stranger going on, but give the topography, I'm betting on loose connection or broken wire. Another thought: do you have an outlet tester? They're cheap, and well worth the money, and might tell you something before you starting taking things apart. (I'm talking about the ones you plug in with three lights. depding on how the lights light up, it says "good", "bad ground" "open neutral" etc. cost about five bucks.) -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 25 09:07:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6642584A28 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:07:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FBD25807DF for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:04:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2014 15:05:07 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.203] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2014 15:05:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2014 15:05:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 22547 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2014 15:05:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1406300706; bh=HqG2piUDC8W5o2tYg9EEgW2tzo78iMzWmv5MjEB1PoY=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hEMGgAjk2jUUbsYQ8ZL/UePkInL6yO2kJWP7m0e+xf9x/j9zS7G8cxwN5ufg7sLUE55SH1FuzL29Q7cwrFbo6ydmxGNfPzZxbFCb3VvlOpGG44kg6B7YFkSgTs6uzA3q8doSAElMQydJIBDhFZzvlNbdr5t9VugfqlKHzWgrj2Y= oaKztt5g1rMQOPANX3TuSPaP6M44cuZg84vSCkpp7JUkhsPxS.eM6yXIP1PS FZEJcZ35rwYtF5U.vCZ5rKb0kh5LgSLvBT8a5lNMjOTn_7ZRDWtMoNoI_Dqe 2tBMUO1QfB1kGDFjJ0UbvyiTX1Fq58o5M75aVfBoPHxmstb4Cd8_j1pZjMhO hUVEPlzV_vAwjh4VxxBBX2VcMtQ0Citl53tpEBriqxt5nx05zcO2sWh954yF UFpKA.3InAwkmsN9_F2aGl_NBh0lqPBavVQOg7eyi3PGzS7_82EDX.OvNBci 7kPbqmOxLbDxeTu5yWIgRH_bbImK4mEiEssKv_nNz0j5_z0XAyvJCevCj68V fgx92Og1E7yYOoybfJLr4IFtYXpm7HVTTA7rVLSnmqW6s4go2dDNKJDFWwbt 6UyX8A9NPoBCsPyjykH_0SJ2JwxMhLdxDohbeJki3LyENoLKqQFeLgLsA.T8 ajRNOfgwhsM2jizhPPqT.NDkZQA.ZDAWc_NkKN0TM0y6AUFo- Received: from [66.229.29.9] by web162101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:05:06 PDT SSdsbCBhZGQgdGhlIHN3aXRjaCBpbiB0aGUgZmFuIGNvdWxkIGJlIGJhZCB0b28uIEkgaGF2ZSBhIHN3aXRjaCBpbiBhIGZhbiB0aGF0IGlzIGN1cnJlbnRseSBieXBhc3NlZC4gT25lIGRheSBJIHdlbnQgaW4gdGhlIHJvb20gZm9yIHNvbWV0aGluZywgYW5kIHB1bGxlZCB0aGUgY2hhaW4gYW5kIGp1bXBlZCB3aGVuIGl0IHN0YXJ0ZWQgc3BhcmtpbmcuIEl0IGhhZCBiZWVuIHdvcmtpbmcgZmluZSBiZWZvcmUuIEkgcmVhY2hlZCBmb3IgdGhlIHdhbGwgc3dpdGNoIHRvIHR1cm4gaXQgb2ZmIGFuZCB0aGUgc3ABMAEBAQE- References: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:05:06 -0700 From: Battmain To: Shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical issue better defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'll add the switch in the fan could be bad too. I have a switch in a fan that is currently bypassed. One day I went in the room for something, and pulled the chain and jumped when it started sparking. It had been working fine before. I reached for the wall switch to turn it off and the sparking stopped. I pulled the cover and saw the sparking was coming from the fan switch. With that bypassed, the light switch in the fan and the wall switch works fine and it has been for a few years. It isn't a priority since I don't use that room much. B >________________________________ > From: David Scheidt >To: Tim . >Cc: Shop Talk >Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 12:38 AM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical issue better defined > > >(snip) >If the fan works, you know the wire up to the fan is good. The fault >is somewhere downstream of it, including the connection at the fan's >box. Given the description before, the likely failure is between the >fan (again, including the connections at its box) and the junction >box. If you're lucky, it's loose at the fan, and replacing a wire nut >solves your problem, but it could well be a broken (or varmint >chewed...) wire in the wall. Taking the fan apart to get at its >wiring is clearly the next step. After that I'd start checking the >continuity of the wires. In the absence of sufficiently long test >leads, you can short the hot and neutral together at one point, and >then test that there's low resistance between them at other points. >If there's not, then you know what segment has the problem, and work >out what the best way to run new wire is. If there is, then you have >something stranger going on, but give the topography, I'm betting on >loose connection or broken wire. >(snip) >David Scheidt >dmscheidt@gmail.com > > > >(snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 27 14:08:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD4C2584CB7 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:08:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F1A2584CA1 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:07:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2547D2C00F3 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:08:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:08:22 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Boosting a UPS? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It is hot here in Salt Lake. I got a small fan for my office to help keep me cool. I plugged it into one of the non-backup outlets on the UPS that powers the Team.Net server. Now when I turn the little fan off or on, the UPS beeps a few times. Interesting. It could be a sign that I need to replace the UPS soon. Maybe time for a mini fund drive? I have also heard that one can increase the capacity by wiring normal 12 volt car, motorcycle, lawn tractor, etc. batteries into the circuit. Anyone have any experience doing so? mjb. ps: About the only thing I remember from all the electrical engineering classes I took in college is that given enough current, any circuit element can be modeled as a fuse. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 27 15:00:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4652584CBD for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:00:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB6625807FA for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:59:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55000] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id D1/13-27317-76865D35; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:00:23 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:00:18 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+p1pCI4bWV5/SDTBaFlku5DthRSQABWKjg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Boosting a UPS? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I plugged it into one of the non-backup outlets on the UPS > that powers the Team.Net > server. Now when I turn the little fan off or on, the UPS > beeps a few times. Interesting. If it is a non-backed outlet as you say, then I think this might be more a symptom of problems on the supply side. It shouldn't be an indication that the UPS itself, or it's batteries, are worn out or nearing overload, since the non-backed outlet is connected on the input side internally. Most likely though, it is just the power fail detection in the UPS picking up the sudden drop when the fan motor is first turned on. > I have also heard that one can increase the capacity by > wiring normal 12 volt car, motorcycle, > lawn tractor, etc. batteries into the circuit. Anyone have > any experience doing so? That would only get you increased run-time (meaning longer operation without AC power). Almost always, the load that the UPS can carry is limited by the inverter element (that turns battery power back into AC power). Adding a bigger battery isn't going to help that. I have added run-time in that fashion, but only with a UPS designed to do so and only with batteries that were similar in construction and capacity to the originals. Wiring up a car battery would probably work (or two of them in series if your UPS runs on 24 volts as the larger ones do), but you might need to provide for separate charging. As a side comment, I've had several APC "consumer" UPS units now that appear to work normally right up until they are needed. Passes internal self test and everything, but won't carry a load without AC input. Not a battery issue, same symptoms even with a brand new battery. Didn't seem to be a bad power transistor either. So, IMO, it is worth occasionally doing a full load test where, after making sure things are backed up and saved, you yank the plug out of the wall and see what happens. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 27 17:55:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB1E2584D27 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A19E25802EA for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7DA2C00F4 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:55:25 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Boosting a UPS? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Randall wrote: > > If it is a non-backed outlet as you say, then I think this might be more a symptom of problems on the supply side. It shouldn't be > an indication that the UPS itself, or it's batteries, are worn out or nearing overload, since the non-backed outlet is connected on > the input side internally. Most likely though, it is just the power fail detection in the UPS picking up the sudden drop when the > fan motor is first turned on. What I need to do is shut everything off for a day, move around some hardware, rewire a few things, etc. But the beeping did remind me I wanted to get a higher capacity UPS as right now only two servers are on it. I know it works because during thunderstorms we get power bumps as tree limbs shake loose wires somewhere. They last a few seconds, maybe a minute. Right now my monitor and the networking hardware are not on the UPS. I plan to get a 500 - 700 watt unit in the near future and run its AC supply right from the breaker box. Yep, RealSoonNow. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 07:55:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8B7258450A for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 07:55:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S19.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s19.hotmail.com [65.55.111.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573B7258044F for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 07:52:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W17 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S19.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Mon, 28 Jul 2014 06:53:09 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:53:09 -0500 References: , FILETIME=[43E1AE40:01CFAA6B] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical issue better defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, so now more weirdness..... I've not had time to check into the connection to the fan and the run from it. I told the family to leave that switch turned off until I have time. Well, yesterday my wife had a bridal shower her and someone turned that switch on. (it is right next to the dining room switch so must have been an accident.) Anyway, when we got home last night, the porch light was working. I had her turn it off since I am overly paranoid already and I don't want to take any chances with a fire. So now what the heck? even more confused now... tim > > if I can be more clear on my description.... > > > > > > > > (From what I remember when > > we did the roof above this porch) it is knob and > > tube to the fan--I didn't open > > up the fan to verify the connection but the > > only wires above the > > ceiling were knob and tube and the only electrical on the > > porch is this: I can > > see Romex from the fan to a junction box. From the > > junction box there > > is a (romex) split to the outside porch light and another > > romex > > split to the inside outlet. The inside outlet is the type where the > > wires screw > > into the side. From the inside outlet is a set of wires that are > > run to the > > outside weather proof outlet, again romex. > > > > > > > > Some have mentioned having > > a light plugged into the outlet while trying to > > test the circuit. Let me > > ask this: If I have the wall switch (the wall switch > > is inside the house) > > turned on and the ceiling fan running, then there (used > > to be) should > > be power running to the outside light so there should be a draw > > on > > the circuit while I am trying to determine voltage. Is this correct? I > > also > > had plugged in a small shop vac into the inside outlet and then tested the > > wires again and got what appeared to be a low voltage reading. Again, all this > > time the ceiling fan was running and its light worked as well. > > > > > > If the fan works, you know the wire up to the fan is good. The fault > is somewhere downstream of it, including the connection at the fan's > box. Given the description before, the likely failure is between the > fan (again, including the connections at its box) and the junction > box. If you're lucky, it's loose at the fan, and replacing a wire nut > solves your problem, but it could well be a broken (or varmint > chewed...) wire in the wall. Taking the fan apart to get at its > wiring is clearly the next step. After that I'd start checking the > continuity of the wires. In the absence of sufficiently long test > leads, you can short the hot and neutral together at one point, and > then test that there's low resistance between them at other points. > If there's not, then you know what segment has the problem, and work > out what the best way to run new wire is. If there is, then you have > something stranger going on, but give the topography, I'm betting on > loose connection or broken wire. > > Another thought: do you have an outlet tester? They're cheap, and > well worth the money, and might tell you something before you starting > taking things apart. (I'm talking about the ones you plug in with > three lights. depding on how the lights light up, it says "good", "bad > ground" "open neutral" etc. cost about five bucks.) > > -- > David Scheidt > dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 09:47:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D812584ECA for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S36.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s36.hotmail.com [65.55.111.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27381258457E for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:47:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W12 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S36.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Mon, 28 Jul 2014 08:48:15 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:48:15 -0500 References: , , , , FILETIME=[58282900:01CFAA7B] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical issue better defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net "Ok, just out of curiosity, is there any chance that one of these switches is (or was) a three-way or four-way switch? " No. It is a simple on/off like the one for the dining room fixture. We've been in this place for about eight years and never had any issues with this circuit. Until now anyway. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------- On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Tim . wrote: Ok, so now more weirdness..... I've not had time to check into the connection to the fan and the run from it. I told the family to leave that switch turned off until I have time. Well, yesterday my wife had a bridal shower her and someone turned that switch on. (it is right next to the dining room switch so must have been an accident.) Anyway, when we got home last night, the porch light was working. I had her turn it off since I am overly paranoid already and I don't want to take any chances with a fire. So now what the heck? even more confused now... tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 10:57:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A04F25845A0 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:57:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S3.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s3.hotmail.com [65.55.111.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B686D2584574 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU437-SMTP52 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S3.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:55:43 -0700 Received: from [172.20.10.3] ([198.228.208.17]) by BLU437-SMTP52.smtp.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(8.0.9200.16384); Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:55:41 -0700 From: James Stone Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:55:35 -0400 To: Shop-Talk FILETIME=[C41095E0:01CFAA84] Subject: [Shop-talk] Cell phone signal boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone here know anything about cell phone signal boosters? Cell phone coverage is pretty weak at our new place and I need to do something to boost it. Unfortunately, my wife has Verizon and I have AT&T and neither of us ever gets a strong signal - one or two bars at best and even that varies with where you are in the house. It isn't too bad in our back yard, but is spotty in the house, which is only 780 sq feet. I know I can get a booster from AT&T that will work with my phone and I am sure Verizon has something comparable, but it would be nice to just buy one. We don't need a lot - even a little increase would probably do the trick. Does anyone here have any experience with these or advice? Thanks, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 11:29:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0E425845A4 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:29:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA41B258454D for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:29:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e1db2.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.29.178]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0N9F00MG2NAGCRC0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:30:01 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: Shop-Talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell phone signal boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have the Verizon version. They call it a network extender. You have to have broadband service through your cable TV or FIOS or whatever. The device plugs into your broadband and basically acts as a mini cell site for your house, sending the calls over the internet. I am pretty happy with it. Cell phone works much better now. It requires a GPS signal, so the network extender must be located somewhere where that is possible. The GPS antenna can be a few feet away, but you can't put it someplace like the basement. Verizon charges you once for the device and doesn't charge any monthly fee, which is good. I found that when I called to complain about my cell service, they did some checks and ultimately offered me the network extender at a considerable discount. I don't think it will help you with your AT&T phone, though. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 12:55 PM 7/28/2014, James Stone wrote: >Does anyone here know anything about cell phone signal boosters? Cell phone >coverage is pretty weak at our new place and I need to do something to boost >it. Unfortunately, my wife has Verizon and I have AT&T and neither of us ever >gets a strong signal - one or two bars at best and even that varies with where >you are in the house. It isn't too bad in our back yard, but is spotty in the >house, which is only 780 sq feet. I know I can get a booster from AT&T that >will work with my phone and I am sure Verizon has something comparable, but it >would be nice to just buy one. We don't need a lot - even a little increase >would probably do the trick. Does anyone here have any experience with these >or advice? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 11:58:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAA225845A6 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE980258458F for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xse71o0010vyq2s54twwlP; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:56:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.22] ([24.2.215.4]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xtwt1o00o06FvTL3Rtwuus; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:56:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:56:56 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Mark J Bradakis , shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <53D55C36.9040006@bradakis.com> s=q20140121; t=1406570216; bh=vOZtQ5mT5/tnW3KzZI4EZIzWYR5Mc86+vyM2fGRsoeo=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=MnUrjyTqAxvMUUT7kHGqR4RhD8om8PzYpG0hYhr74qVOIW0sHFrMUbIsIeHcmBiil ix6UlFpqKZ4h9VSZsCAaHL+bNSgU85Ex7pcJeMxCf7518WsrNTDzMgE9ZKjLSNopxX uLhpoSdid38Hh7e5s5KJwt1Ci940073BYfHCj97jdtgNwsT/if7X8k54HLOsFSwlRn zimXfdjbP/ZLBpsTJ3CXmSb4dMoEoUl3BF0WHsqiawdctxZSXhdsn6RsU0ySAGasVI l9MQXgB7Lb0KPvYOS10lL2MbY8oJoyFIh5tCw8mgHgcGqtrN0OprCtNUbrA77TCnrX 4mwFXQIFs6Q1Q== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Boosting a UPS? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/27/2014 4:08 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > It is hot here in Salt Lake. I got a small fan for my office to help > keep me cool. > I plugged it into one of the non-backup outlets on the UPS that powers > the Team.Net > server. Now when I turn the little fan off or on, the UPS beeps a few > times. Interesting. > > It could be a sign that I need to replace the UPS soon. Maybe time for > a mini fund drive? > I have also heard that one can increase the capacity by wiring normal > 12 volt car, motorcycle, > lawn tractor, etc. batteries into the circuit. Anyone have any > experience doing so? You want a deep cycle battery, like a golf cart battery. Auto batteries that provide a short burst of very high amperage to turn a starter. They are not designed for continuous high amperage draw and will fail when used for backup power. The plates in a starter battery are thinner than a deep cycle battery and more of them. This is too provide a larger surface area for chemical reaction. The heat build up from continuous higher amperage draw can warp the plates and cause shorts. > > mjb. > > ps: About the only thing I remember from all the electrical > engineering classes I took > in college is that given enough current, any circuit element can > be modeled as a fuse. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 11:59:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC6625845AC for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B172258458F for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:56:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id rd18so7066099iec.0 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:57:00 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index; bh=Zk3/LTai6PHE43KUrxoMfQSkgfofNLp4hrgLVSXhLF8=; b=PeA7Y2eUNYl7aAuEuQBUQRW2sYaevBNPPnGKMnZLNkGxc0vgh6MVO9qtfPCoXec3n7 BY5C+jbF4Gr5RNZEgSCatZjlceVtixfvyLiKDqChM4HKRo2adfAgHyW1Scs4jEJUhJbt 1PXPCgYUgggpvErTY+MuZrPEmiNFcDxzfo7jEp5ROLSePCQkwNnJBIO7aLMGmvZrBNti qe80E3iVlHKxq+P4neGzdmNFOULamGz4O64zeeJFJDg0PQF8m0f4Q+gWitmLaG/C7/h/ pUH8RG/UDbqpNFy/og0JhfpQ6jmpsXj+HwFWWqR3LnTVw/YK+duVocNA4AejBEbTwDLg idVA== Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from userPC (24-247-31-72.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com. [24.247.31.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id vl4sm28802123igb.3.2014.07.28.10.56.59 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 28 Jul 2014 10:56:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Curious_John" To: "'Shop-Talk'" References: <0N9F00MG3NAGCRC0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:56:37 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+qiaAUNtl1+OEARbehxZxG7G2HNgAAnIwA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell phone signal boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I use zBoost (www.zboost.com) not cheap ($399.99 - it's gone up a lot in the last few years) but it works. Since I installed it people stop in the road in front of our house to use their phone. It has an outdoor antenna - mine is on one end of the house as high as I coould get it. A cable like your tv cable leads to an indoor unit that I have in a closet. It will work for both Verizon and AT&T on 3G but not for 4G. I have no interest in the company. It's just a product that works as advertised for me. John _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 19:33:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D562F258468F for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:33:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f49.google.com (mail-oa0-f49.google.com [209.85.219.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8BA2580687 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id eb12so9550933oac.36 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:31:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=bDdjSZMgzud1JZh9pS+jVVyW+KXAIg9cumGuOHANnqY=; b=ENO8Han39qoOm6caPvYFBUOW2w/0vik9y97kMZXXRw/wS3U27p8WBE3grlmPo2LEPV QzW7SJVBf3lTZS0xzKE1DuokzciXTpwkytSA3fyii8hGBOV1oUX8sfiCLJh7/OhMUyJl Ci9Ilvjo1MuNSPlwE2Mp9vdsYDNso5EOwq7JPKMZEyzNA0U695jUlpa5sTDrPcBtvhgT pQo1EiF0fM671ql3FWz58W1glvShhutH9bFmFcn9nQclhj7Jr16yEGAQiO/MKF5bIdTV T7dkkzDrzdLbNm+8zpcC1Fe+3n8ydYtOWM5BWbjgn4+rONIJBq0Z3rng8HoDhZ9yxhh/ kGHg== jh9mr19762931obb.25.1406597512929; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.190.132 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:31:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <0N9F00MG3NAGCRC0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> From: Peter Murray Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:31:32 -0400 To: Steven Trovato Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell phone signal boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have the ATT MicroCell. It also requires broadband (I have a cablemodem). It has worked really well for us for over 2 years now, and given your house is under 1000 sq feet, it would cover your entire house without difficulty. It will only provide coverage to ATT phones that you specifically add to an access list. I bought mine on eBay for much less than the ATT retail price of $200. I should have gone with the zBoost John suggested (or Wilson DB Pro or other 2-way amplifier). It is carrier-agnostic (though you will want to ensure it operates in the band(s) that your phones require. You could need 850MHz, 1900MHz, or one of several LTE bands. All depends on where your house is located. If you are using wi-fi at your house, you shouldn't be impacted by any 3G speed limitation that might be present in the amplifier. -Peter On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Steven Trovato wrote: > I have the Verizon version. They call it a network extender. You have to > have broadband service through your cable TV or FIOS or whatever. The > device plugs into your broadband and basically acts as a mini cell site for > your house, sending the calls over the internet. I am pretty happy with > it. Cell phone works much better now. It requires a GPS signal, so the > network extender must be located somewhere where that is possible. The GPS > antenna can be a few feet away, but you can't put it someplace like the > basement. Verizon charges you once for the device and doesn't charge any > monthly fee, which is good. I found that when I called to complain about > my cell service, they did some checks and ultimately offered me the network > extender at a considerable discount. I don't think it will help you with > your AT&T phone, though. > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net > > > At 12:55 PM 7/28/2014, James Stone wrote: > >> Does anyone here know anything about cell phone signal boosters? Cell >> phone >> coverage is pretty weak at our new place and I need to do something to >> boost >> it. Unfortunately, my wife has Verizon and I have AT&T and neither of us >> ever >> gets a strong signal - one or two bars at best and even that varies with >> where >> you are in the house. It isn't too bad in our back yard, but is spotty in >> the >> house, which is only 780 sq feet. I know I can get a booster from AT&T >> that >> will work with my phone and I am sure Verizon has something comparable, >> but it >> would be nice to just buy one. We don't need a lot - even a little >> increase >> would probably do the trick. Does anyone here have any experience with >> these >> or advice? >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ > peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 19:56:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF7125845D0 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1002580687 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:55:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PatsOffice ([38.103.208.34]) by p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Y1wK1o00J0l45Le011wLov; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:56:21 -0700 From: "Pat Horne" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , References: <53D55C36.9040006@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:55:58 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac+p1ptDdQCGBm1+QwmsotLMD+xR7wA+WwdQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Boosting a UPS? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I had this problem at my house. We have several UPS units around the place. When the A/C came on all the UPS units would beep. Turned out we had low line voltage coming into the house, about 108v that would drop to about 100v for a second. Check your incoming power just to be sure. Peace, Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:08 PM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Boosting a UPS? It is hot here in Salt Lake. I got a small fan for my office to help keep me cool. I plugged it into one of the non-backup outlets on the UPS that powers the Team.Net server. Now when I turn the little fan off or on, the UPS beeps a few times. Interesting. It could be a sign that I need to replace the UPS soon. Maybe time for a mini fund drive? I have also heard that one can increase the capacity by wiring normal 12 volt car, motorcycle, lawn tractor, etc. batteries into the circuit. Anyone have any experience doing so? mjb. ps: About the only thing I remember from all the electrical engineering classes I took in college is that given enough current, any circuit element can be modeled as a fuse. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 08:10:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794F525846AE for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S22.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s22.hotmail.com [65.55.111.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326F125846A9 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU437-SMTP98 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S22.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Tue, 29 Jul 2014 07:09:12 -0700 Received: from [172.20.10.3] ([198.228.208.17]) by BLU437-SMTP98.smtp.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(8.0.9200.16384); Tue, 29 Jul 2014 07:09:11 -0700 From: James Stone Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:09:08 -0400 References: <0N9F00MG3NAGCRC0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> To: Shop-Talk FILETIME=[AB9758C0:01CFAB36] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell phone signal boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. I do have broadband, and have looked at both the ATT and Verizon microcells. I want something that will work across both (as neither my wife nor I can switch carriers for a while) and will look at the zBoost and Wilson amplifiers. Id looked at them earlier, but wanted to be sure they actually worked. I figured Id find the answer here, and obviously have. Thanks again! Jim On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > I have the ATT MicroCell. It also requires broadband (I have a cablemodem). > It has worked really well for us for over 2 years now, and given your house > is under 1000 sq feet, it would cover your entire house without difficulty. > > It will only provide coverage to ATT phones that you specifically add to an > access list. I bought mine on eBay for much less than the ATT retail price > of $200. > > I should have gone with the zBoost John suggested (or Wilson DB Pro or > other 2-way amplifier). It is carrier-agnostic (though you will want to > ensure it operates in the band(s) that your phones require. You could need > 850MHz, 1900MHz, or one of several LTE bands. All depends on where your > house is located. If you are using wi-fi at your house, you shouldn't be > impacted by any 3G speed limitation that might be present in the amplifier. > > -Peter > > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Steven Trovato > wrote: > >> I have the Verizon version. They call it a network extender. You have to >> have broadband service through your cable TV or FIOS or whatever. The >> device plugs into your broadband and basically acts as a mini cell site for >> your house, sending the calls over the internet. I am pretty happy with >> it. Cell phone works much better now. It requires a GPS signal, so the >> network extender must be located somewhere where that is possible. The GPS >> antenna can be a few feet away, but you can't put it someplace like the >> basement. Verizon charges you once for the device and doesn't charge any >> monthly fee, which is good. I found that when I called to complain about >> my cell service, they did some checks and ultimately offered me the network >> extender at a considerable discount. I don't think it will help you with >> your AT&T phone, though. >> >> -Steve Trovato >> strovato@optonline.net >> >> >> At 12:55 PM 7/28/2014, James Stone wrote: >> >>> Does anyone here know anything about cell phone signal boosters? Cell >>> phone >>> coverage is pretty weak at our new place and I need to do something to >>> boost >>> it. Unfortunately, my wife has Verizon and I have AT&T and neither of us >>> ever >>> gets a strong signal - one or two bars at best and even that varies with >>> where >>> you are in the house. It isn't too bad in our back yard, but is spotty in >>> the >>> house, which is only 780 sq feet. I know I can get a booster from AT&T >>> that >>> will work with my phone and I am sure Verizon has something comparable, >>> but it >>> would be nice to just buy one. We don't need a lot - even a little >>> increase >>> would probably do the trick. Does anyone here have any experience with >>> these >>> or advice? >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ >> peterwmurray@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20DF2584942 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 09:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S21.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s21.hotmail.com [65.55.111.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D31C25848D0 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 09:19:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W69 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S21.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Sun, 6 Jul 2014 08:20:03 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 10:20:02 -0500 FILETIME=[C28A1100:01CF992D] Subject: [Shop-talk] Anyone recognize these? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Sorry for the OT but you lot are the most diverse group I have quick access to for questions like this. http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/tputland/library/US%20mirrors?sort=3&page=1 Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526D42584924 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 09:32:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com (mail-qa0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD3B25848D0 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 09:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id dc16so2723050qab.29 for ; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 08:30:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=jGYStXiEjJTUa9JKPQIy94hz5+qQQzRFzwhZHEeareU=; b=jyTp74SVr87iPWu77vr/a35htGxTZujbvSIm3xaHyQqMuea/GeQHIDD3AInhDkCjhS Ol1/rCBDQyUunFntFk6cPidn9YwoK6sO4fS6J3MPr/q8mqr3EIdcuQOITirnzFMWR1ay THeuYaB70iLYxZBILEWw/ZYZLOj3nkgv7ymZbXm05SnGgy3CFekoRH65RPxOMRDmumA8 XCyNTbN/a8pGDJ699Lxl9zLJbWJeGkQgiFshp8pBE6kZk4PIIhCHbCF9iUSIo873EzJ9 6iizvRaS9reh6fKYAjMPaUdrFzV21AJkdJf9NZvZi1KOycUxNGeTCOupVuL6BoEkMmpk HA1g== a60mr36729701qga.76.1404660616697; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 08:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.182.39 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 08:30:16 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 10:30:16 -0500 From: John Innis To: "Tim ." Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone recognize these? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Can't say for sure, but I think those are from a late 50's early 60's Ford or Lincoln. They look a lot like the mirrors on a friends '59 T-Bird. On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Tim . wrote: > Sorry for the OT but you lot are the most diverse group I have quick > access to > for questions like this. > > > http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/tputland/library/US%20mirrors?sort=3&page=1 > > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0282584C0B for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:10:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S8.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s8.hotmail.com [65.55.111.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55FF2584BEE for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W77 ([65.55.111.73]) by BLU004-OMC2S8.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:06:29 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:06:29 -0500 References: FILETIME=[527EAFB0:01CF9A27] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone recognize these? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Thanks for the replies all. While nothing definite was opined, at least it is narrowed down for me now. I'll be taking WeeBeasty to a fairly big car show this weekend and will be doing some "in person" searching for sure. Thanks again!! PEACE :-) tim > From: tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 10:20:02 -0500 > Subject: [Shop-talk] Anyone recognize these? > > Sorry for the OT but you lot are the most diverse group I have quick access to > for questions like this. > > http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/tputland/library/US%20mirrors?sort=3&page=1 > > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:39 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486C12584C3E for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.114]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E6B2584C0D for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.172] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2014 22:00:29 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.145] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2014 22:00:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2014 22:00:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1404770429; bh=lrEw3r4TlDOqR/G1k3t5EajZ6zsYgD+L1T6C7RdRclU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=riFsouO/NGdRd0qgvvrtOYTdY/D5S6fEP9Hc2UpRk4eA+YYatTqf8IY6FLJJBUotpEwgVtOHQ61aMPQ02hjpQMpCMkrcmH9mKQaA/lQ80s0IptqA6UNyGkU7qcCzLiXFESZFQKGzjb2sKOsvyngqns7l/ahQtFIeGSs7qG8Y0HY= R4jPhhOxUjDR8SsiX49Did.KR6cWW5z0rb_.DYb9i8D7_lwZlI__WgeIOTNQ LIfoGDxl.DTT_5_yJOqtO.aL1dFMU6ap97WCWCvhB5.vS.SyanudCNnvcUPq sXNk7QMypXKDpuWKjr1SqtnGJ0rgeLuole82o5rUSUnFDe383nOk4f4SGEWI pDaRWn5bAnmAIFG.w3MUbt9Bml7nYuJsP9O.2ZlpDYo30FxS7S.Z_lsEN7LE Juy_0bAG_ff93TjR.sJmgSiHXq807qCA2mQD7CqmQqcgMl4XT7_igTifB3JB jM7TnhWjvjQOwwOWDHP0qb.7vrCQY9tlTDuUliVoVbQt_q0gKT.S4NrHQU0I 8vFGZwrTTWH.CFWixcIZPyM6H.Rd8jcPxQ9SeADjx1OiEFkm5LC2FV08sdl1 QoAjMSmbEEymS1hv3ZVUI6Bf2mXX_y9r2VY97qdZef1tGYFbChTUcrdvjS5i UO5JX1YBt9XW.bWNa57JPrz24DvVHF4YQLRpxI205PghC9xL54i7OPu6RgKu vQuJkjRMpGyxfLs0a8KUsq1gGdg02wBPVfUT4i4DwjHXpy4gH3QWtgFrLL.z XFmKL3DDweJu5TTkH5T.jt.kCKnqaYOq6qPSaPagJmej3hOqKp2dJXec1DkQ sKz6cZtx7Kjna72XzUGf0TY6P5wuzZIY1oUMwmb1FP1AWVcOViJoKI4f9b9Z HnR5ssD9kktk- plain [67.195.15.66]) by smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Jul 2014 22:00:29 +0000 UTC From: "John Niolon" To: "Tim ." , "shop-talk" References: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:00:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone recognize these? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO just saw these Tim and missed the other replies... but they look like mirrors from the '57 Ford fairlane error.... or possibly the same error Plymouth john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim ." To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone recognize these? > Thanks for the replies all. While nothing definite was opined, at least it > is > narrowed down for me now. I'll be taking WeeBeasty to a fairly big car > show > this weekend and will be doing some "in person" searching for sure. > > Thanks again!! > > PEACE :-) > tim > >> From: tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com >> To: shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 10:20:02 -0500 >> Subject: [Shop-talk] Anyone recognize these? >> >> Sorry for the OT but you lot are the most diverse group I have quick >> access > to >> for questions like this. >> >> > http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/tputland/library/US%20mirrors?sort=3&page=1 >> >> Thanks >> tim >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E0D25856D7 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 20:21:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C2D258552B for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 20:21:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Q01n1o0091u4NiL012MMie; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 02:21:21 +0000 Received: from Mike ([98.247.129.48]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Q2ML1o00F12niAi8h2ML3u; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 02:21:21 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 19:21:20 -0700 s=q20140121; t=1404872481; bh=Bxk9eNUxracllyI2iG/HJ2Jm8Go+5rXfts0iaaQi0Ro=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=HVAVLrf7PcJdn3sNXS+hmhe7hQt96U/EDVpnBJm8aSNH15s7IXDl6GhdfZ27G2bat hFQ/g2nPG/D8F82E3hcqBn+zaQaLW/e3vrraxBbMAeu1AJgtE24+JP8fO5/0Hradm0 sdALvr5EgVtvoWhRtZq3zTWf1QlfFVORQKlSBGNHLql3vW88quimpUwiKEW0hwuh58 +yn3nzIT9wl1Ph6NwOfN9S2Bag+bLbGp3OM3ppRJ/rqjrfoNj1p37LZ54a/98Lb8gJ +jvJ63LshTtCOaw0yGy9IFx/EuB3PzucGd3+pBDJklkbmgEsm42Y4nChS0gTMPUOjI YBj72gVA1YJjg== Subject: [Shop-talk] pot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Well, the subject line should get some readers, anyway. I have a cast aluminum pot (actually, with the lid it is a Dutch Oven). It is ancient, probably pushing 100 years old. Great cooking vessel, I use it all the time. But.......over the years it is showing it's age. I have used steel wool, and it works fairly well on the machined surfaces, but the un-machined spots are too porous. Anyone have some good suggestions on how to clean it better? I suppose one can buy some sort of aluminum cleaner, but I'm always leery of chemical-type things. Sometimes they damage the surface. Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7FF25856C0 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 20:22:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB5A25856B7 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 20:22:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id j17so7286387oag.25 for ; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 19:22:50 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=exIFe19mSKuGLGAtOKJcfMJVoPkHih0I2z+rP5ScE2I=; b=CrW03aHKZlgg9soBjDby/lCEZBK1UrSkQE5TnzspZYVt8rvf3UhE7SUI0va7QPuZMj w86poLd9L/oIiMHOP+ybWrO4YPr/bl1XAEPnROnKx5M/Nh2AYrN/kq5WeeoHZ98bbQ5+ tfj5INhHdFJZ7tETDQmCt6ei4Acx1qxQjChAjbzv1f4ku1N/V1CyLqC/K2UElpzYKXB3 6CBztpkTDf0AQzjNC+FX4r1GZU1TuGIcpztswAhIt46BmW6CF00nikBj/S6MsZ73EcYW 7BmeXfUst89gKzbZPm/38/ksthBbah5kWLwVs4Rk/mHmhGNE2STxhQNmkXFnxij35Mfx +xzA== u5mr13870842oex.62.1404872570052; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 19:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.183.11.73 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 19:22:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <2BFD20A6E49840A19B03B131F1135C30@Mike> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 19:22:50 -0700 From: Doug Braun To: Mike Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] pot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Soda blasting! Doug On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Mike wrote: > Anyone have some good suggestions on how to clean it > better? I suppose one can buy some sort of aluminum cleaner, but I'm > always > leery of chemical-type things. Sometimes they damage the surface. > > Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04E725856EC for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 20:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DA325846A1 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 20:54:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Q2dp1o0031bwxyc012un0R; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 02:54:47 +0000 Received: from BigBlack ([98.237.220.205]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Q2um1o0024SVr6A8e2umB9; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 02:54:46 +0000 From: "Bob Kegel" To: "Mike" , "Shop Talk" References: <2BFD20A6E49840A19B03B131F1135C30@Mike> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 19:54:41 -0700 s=q20140121; t=1404874487; bh=VfZ0XJgcCxzvVNgcyM2k24K7LSCLjAEM/3vAu75wIwo=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=taKFp3jhltVpQzTVcXqfOd0O3ViiP5Iq8p/gidRLlVQjXFLBSuVWI3eLXsKCkacKK qMLHeq5xcCS3JWTBIaAYMDpnYoD+DW/ThBBry/5ycAE++XaPkb2LDokfePlI9P3pd1 XVHeo7QqhmsLWSyJF5zhdtfPkeXGYgEY0m7agmWQFx2ywYeeTS2u6sa5ew7LZyYfYV YGZuuKmghvbQuDcBE+vDvKWgiKX5g7SDC5ZHF++C+x9GqgxWiDZXCNeScApgen1ksL 7V2NKl17ZyslIRJ6e0ZzXqvwI61OosIcsKGKgoWq5RPwuOP1T9szyJ3xKISbwF+nfo Ozf2QnkE4S4fw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] pot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I've bead blasted a couple aluminum pots without apparent ill effects. Bob K _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84582258512A for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 21:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EF725856CD for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 21:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812EC2C0120 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 21:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 21:48:25 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Shop Talk References: <2BFD20A6E49840A19B03B131F1135C30@Mike> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] pot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Cast iron would be easy - sand blast and reseason. Aluminum might need a more delicate approach, a lighter blasting medium. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73ED25805EE for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 06:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S7.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s7.hotmail.com [65.55.111.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C7E25805BD for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 06:29:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W67 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S7.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Mon, 14 Jul 2014 05:29:29 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 07:29:29 -0500 FILETIME=[423BF990:01CF9F5F] Subject: [Shop-talk] Electrolysis rust removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hi All. While procrastinating a much needed oil change on my old Jeep, I decided to set up a rust removal tank. I am happy with how well it works. Although I'd rather my garage/shop area smelled of old grease instead of the perfumey gack from the detergent. (And no worries on the ventilation of the gases: my garage has no soffit and is bare wall 2x4 so the air circulates freely.) Anyway, I am wondering if any one has any thoughts or experience on how long the conductive solution is good for? Will this wear out eventually? Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8FA2580690 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 07:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from walmailout04.yourhostingaccount.com (walmailout04.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336C42580451 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 07:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.1] helo=walmailscan01.yourhostingaccount.com) by walmailout04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1X6gVi-0000nw-SX for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:41:42 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by walmailscan01.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1X6gVi-00078F-Pd; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:41:42 -0400 Received: from walauthsmtp08.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.8]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id SDhi1o0090ASqTN01Dhiuc; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:41:42 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=UWBKU8OG_3kA:10 a=cdOfgUqNKsIA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=n8i27M1mAAAA:8 a=UqCG9HQmAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kgTM8DZpD5g07fzZqBcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4JFMnUiinsEA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=8amoANLqcXHyoDJd6jbCBw==:117 Received: from c-69-180-140-196.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([69.180.140.196]:36578 helo=192.168.1.7) by walauthsmtp08.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1X6gVi-0005PQ-Fg; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 09:41:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 08:41:19 -0500 From: Greg Gelhar To: "Tim ." , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electrolysis rust removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I have a plastic 55 gallon barrel set up just outside my shop door. I use the same washing soda/water solution until cold weather arrives. When I clean the barrel, there is enough crud on the bottom that I would change out the solution even if wasn't going to freeze. Greg G. Osseo, MN T-Mobile. Americabs First Nationwide 4G Network "Tim ." wrote: >Hi All. > >While procrastinating a much needed oil change on my old Jeep, I decided to >set up a rust removal tank. I am happy with how well it works. Although I'd >rather my garage/shop area smelled of old grease instead of the perfumey gack >from the detergent. (And no worries on the ventilation of the gases: my garage >has no soffit and is bare wall 2x4 so the air circulates freely.) > >Anyway, I am wondering if any one has any thoughts or experience on how long >the conductive solution is good for? Will this wear out eventually? > >Thanks >tim >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/greg@gelhar.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3082584555 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:18:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S19.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s19.hotmail.com [65.55.111.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6484E2580763 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W86 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S19.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Thu, 17 Jul 2014 15:18:19 -0700 From: "Tim ." To: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:18:19 -0500 References: FILETIME=[03BA0170:01CFA20D] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electrolysis rust removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Next question, when I clean out the sludge on the bottom of the "tank"....' Do people strain the solution at all or just pour off the top into a different vessel then clean out the crud on the bottom? If you strain, what do you use? Thanks! From: tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Electrolysis rust removal Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 07:29:29 -0500 Hi All. While procrastinating a much needed oil change on my old Jeep, I decided to set up a rust removal tank. I am happy with how well it works. Although I'd rather my garage/shop area smelled of old grease instead of the perfumey gack from the detergent. (And no worries on the ventilation of the gases: my garage has no soffit and is bare wall 2x4 so the air circulates freely.) Anyway, I am wondering if any one has any thoughts or experience on how long the conductive solution is good for? Will this wear out eventually? Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE6F2584553 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:23:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9946D25844AF for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 20:23:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC5528EF9E for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.247]) by localhost (filter04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.234]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 9nRL1APRZroh for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.182.149.62]) by relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 56F942F80BB for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:23:59 -0700 From: Dave Cavanaugh User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Shop Talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electrolysis rust removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I think most people just use it until it's so nasty they can't stand it and then dump it and start with a fresh batch. I'm on the Old Wood Working Machines forum where a lot of guys use electrolysis for cleaning up old machines and I can't remember the topic of straining or cleaning the solution coming up. On 7/17/2014 3:18 PM, Tim . wrote: > Next question, when I clean out the sludge on the bottom of the "tank"....' > > Do people strain the solution at all or just pour off the top into a different > vessel then clean out the crud on the bottom? If you strain, what do you use? > > Thanks! > > From: tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Electrolysis rust removal > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 07:29:29 -0500 > > > > > Hi All. > > While procrastinating a much needed oil change on my old Jeep, I decided to > set up a rust removal tank. I am happy with how well it works. Although I'd > rather my garage/shop area smelled of old grease instead of the perfumey gack > from the detergent. (And no worries on the ventilation of the gases: my garage > has no soffit and is bare wall 2x4 so the air circulates freely.) > > Anyway, I am wondering if any one has any thoughts or experience on how long > the conductive solution is good for? Will this wear out eventually? > > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive