From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 1 17:30:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3143F403EA for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:30:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C4540325 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:28:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.164] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2013 23:26:48 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.250] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2013 23:26:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Nov 2013 23:26:47 -0000 xvvRINQ7VYAYJp4pVXdjKNTPH9oFPnBxok6DxP8zxEx.FCT8RtasRMwIrSzv 2uNM4wJZg0QxROJAoA0whr1v5g0IbvUGZOwn5jU2Tu3JDN1IhJaR34GqKwz7 MdptpprLB8AHoKWnoY74GReoN3T6oiEyvFOg.ZUxOip3QK1p3ZlDfkAUIFdC rai2r5Pmjrphj4c9cH0AOGUb3zocg.vySuEqQ8UxBmFijdcx1d3cLnBuGU15 Tmqnu.OCbSB_YcfoJoeZaWMWsGjI6bppyNYEBACueg1dxQmFcwFGe96C9Csm cs6CC6_78nyJu9XivXrYHM_Se6QRJ118f4jhAptrrjzhQ441GEBsa7nYTl_J 5Rnssl6ugwTH0juwodcFPIxnwU3EAmhithSM98jQvJPPrhqOuhe1K.HBSM.G mVdf_MI_pad.PLtRLlAF3fUCpW.mZKY0UpoP88iFixFIQTMtqAzTT4060Ef1 zwKmtWdxhOk6EMJWtIa9BtgvgJ4umxTvQqaH7Ug_nmhQITWcpfqh3ALkwi_x XQr7IepSTHA-- smtp120.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Nov 2013 23:26:47 +0000 UTC From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20131031194808.04c8b878@cox.net> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 18:26:52 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIHWMerN3SSXTGNPFS8aDDSBZtfwQHm3095mZAlsECAAKTIEA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nibbler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If this is a double post I apologize, but I didn't see it so let's try again... Thanks to all for the replies, both on the list and private. Looks like the HF air nibbler is the near-unanimous recommendation. Even if it's a seldom-used tool, I'll get one as soon as there's a coupon. And some extra dies and anvils too. In a separate post I'll ask for advice on the larger problem, which is that the HVAC is going to have to be replaced even if the nibbler helps me squeeze another A/C season or two out of it. Thanks again! Karl _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 06:33:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378C7430F0 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 06:33:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f43.google.com (mail-yh0-f43.google.com [209.85.213.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976C042FF4 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 06:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f43.google.com with SMTP id v1so1677030yhn.30 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 05:13:20 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7mMNCHNPFheVCXyKbebeGVmau0hmjAaCZZfoHaJfYm0=; b=rwVo52w01jkXxGohbEVo2CxqlMj9XrGPuM3C7exMK4TpUhaNBo4JLratM/8X2QerAM niII1UYi1eutbCvHTqP5NZPbw1UKWNBvg9Ef6pg75S1R6GGLwanNV1dRwWw2meUfDBL7 AsWuPETnRkb9iQQPOO1rp60PygXbAjm6+OWvAInykBE/DAWUn183Fccl4iEP5mVrfMAy G62e2bnJ1M/lC+XP/UbWbk4axz+yELs3GwEnAQ42vqNBxKgO204Wu6FSn/E9VDmQNBjD L10UpqwkxawNZiiX+uja7CgQIGxfEwFb1YCP9joEHgndpRBU3iil7fnofTJLDK2ZyQxb cR1w== u35mr1501949yhi.96.1383657200135; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 05:13:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.40.132] (173-12-87-203-miami.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [173.12.87.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e10sm35934459yhj.1.2013.11.05.05.13.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Nov 2013 05:13:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 08:13:15 -0500 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <6.2.5.6.1.20131031194808.04c8b878@cox.net> <001201ced759$d923b420$8b6b1c60$@Ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nibbler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'll say this about a/c repair/replacement: It's a LOT easier than I thought. If you've got even a smidgen of mechanical aptitude AND the ability to plan the purchase, I see no reason why that's not a DIY job. The markup on that stuff is INSANE, such that I'd consider trying it, and I am horrible at electronics (which seems to be the real work in a/c). Karl, I'd think with a \year to plan that you'd have few issues. On 11/1/2013 7:26 PM, Karl Vacek wrote: > If this is a double post I apologize, but I didn't see it so let's try > again... > > Thanks to all for the replies, both on the list and private. Looks like the > HF air nibbler is the near-unanimous recommendation. Even if it's a > seldom-used tool, I'll get one as soon as there's a coupon. And some extra > dies and anvils too. > In a separate post I'll ask for advice on the larger problem, which is that > the HVAC is going to have to be replaced even if the nibbler helps me > squeeze another A/C season or two out of it. > Thanks again! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 08:53:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0560443052 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:53:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 633564303D for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:43:55 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1383666107; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=RfG6upHI9R3w0Bah+80z8FTNxPrzLhGj7ps3CrorKEWq3dEyx2hsQskl0e4pRVHYx kQ4t0tlpRiPb0IEC7GdefLz64aR+NgmVmO06U6bFMp3IyZ70Ux1DsqHgDsgZyEd1x9 J33yOz1swN88lEdtk9CTjg9I/JaoPZJGw5+MaLB0= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail13.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.153]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKHUEP4AE9VYKJ for (sender ); Tue, 5 Nov 2013 07:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail13.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:40:56 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:40:56 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] electrical question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I took Inch's recommendation and got the Ramsond plasma cutter (wow, 2 day delivery from Amazon w/free shipping!) It works off either 220V 20amp or 110 30amp depending on the plug you put on it. I was about to put on a 220V plug but I realized that I had wired up a dedicated 30A 110 circuit for visiting RVs and it would actually be more convenient to cut near that outlet.Is there any reason to go 220 instead of 110 in this case? All I can figure is the higher current but since I have a rated circuit it would seem convenience prevails... Also, any idea why my returns or line feeds go away and my postings all bunch up? I don't draft/send them this way. Thanks,Matt _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 09:52:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB0E430E0 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:52:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s5.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s5.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C271743044 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:51:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL127-W17 ([65.55.34.73]) by col0-omc2-s5.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:48:00 -0800 From: PJ McGarvey To: Matt , Shop Talk Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:48:00 -0500 References: <20131105.104056.13842.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> FILETIME=[C9862260:01CEDA46] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question - email formatting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I use hotmail/outlook via a web browser and it has always done this to my postings as well. Never remembered to look into it, but probably something about the HTML formatting causes this. I don't see many options in my hotmail that would fix this. I assume if you used a non-browser based email client that might fix it. -PJ > From: mbarre@juno.com > Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:40:56 +0000 > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: [Shop-talk] electrical question > > I took Inch's recommendation and got the Ramsond plasma cutter (wow, 2 day > delivery from Amazon w/free shipping!) It works off either 220V 20amp or 110 > 30amp depending on the plug you put on it. I was about to put on a 220V plug > but I realized that I had wired up a dedicated 30A 110 circuit for visiting > RVs and it would actually be more convenient to cut near that outlet.Is there > any reason to go 220 instead of 110 in this case? All I can figure is the > higher current but since I have a rated circuit it would seem convenience > prevails... Also, any idea why my returns or line feeds go away and my > postings all bunch up? I don't draft/send them this way. Thanks,Matt > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 11:54:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C2B430DD for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:54:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1653143033 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id vb8so8911870obc.19 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:28:41 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Qc9PlIpBnRIkUC1iNeOFQl6qA0bW2ruMwuvN3tGq3Ko=; b=BzfvpYq8d/y9fAqPXF9Zyv1YwGiwjMXbqlZKmSUoMyH2bafuj1J9fmn+OYxT/T0g0M oDZoSH8yZu+Lz2zKegq/cSnT5Byt4O4fHl9oIfOwlAOyUZUYHaTQ9vMrs2RJs4qVtjXf 3TX+gGIZjEYc1rrSle3EE/nq8MUuwQjk5cgGKWXfBsBPRIRw56l+lHhypi+/gChd3AhQ HbVinr5s/utSv/y2armZnuyTGVCMK4B7HFE+bJQNI2a9wDRMhQ9t0SrWIZYGgYc/mxRq 2qorQTv74pWyiSC6g4SaA8mjmFAXR0+PFYcpHGlU9t5sr19qvUShHtJjQyiPXzxa0HBD 0ySA== eo7mr1721751oeb.61.1383675630768; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.134.231 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 10:20:30 -0800 (PST) References: <20131105.104056.13842.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:20:30 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Matt , Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, How do you get the arc started on that unit? Does it have a pilot arc? Thanks, Doug On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Matt wrote: > I took Inch's recommendation and got the Ramsond plasma cutter (wow, 2 day > delivery from Amazon w/free shipping!) It works off either 220V 20amp or > 110 > 30amp depending on the plug you put on it. I was about to put on a 220V > plug > but I realized that I had wired up a dedicated 30A 110 circuit for visiting > RVs and it would actually be more convenient to cut near that outlet.Is > there > any reason to go 220 instead of 110 in this case? All I can figure is the > higher current but since I have a rated circuit it would seem convenience > prevails.. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 12:38:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10D143152 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:38:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C5843036 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:07:26 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=cnSeiTxgE1kA:10 a=NoAKp6exAAAA:8 a=SEBCRQsI3b_UsvCqExYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=B0cvAcWxpcAA:10 a=BPSfKMXmiYsA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:40869] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 2F/AF-07922-26149725; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:05:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:05:06 +0000 From: Randall To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, Matt Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Matt wrote: > Is there > any reason to go 220 instead of 110 in this case? I don't know, but I would check the specifications carefully. For the MIG welders that are rated to run on either 110v or 220v, there is usually a performance penalty on 110v. Frequently you can't use the highest output current setting, and the duty cycle is reduced from what it would be on 220v even on lower current settings. But maybe that wouldn't matter, for what you are doing. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 13:44:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877BE43177 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:44:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0057.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.57]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7B942FF4 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:20:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtpgrave02.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB635E84 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay08.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E2C29DD97 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:17:51 +0000 (UTC) RULES_HIT:41:355:379:599:854:988:989:1187:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1537:1567:1593:1594:1711:1714:1730:1747:1777:1792:2198:2199:2393:2559:2562:2828:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3690:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3874:5007:7652:7903:7974:10004:10400:10848:11658:11914:12517:12519:13069:13311:13357, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk,SPF:fn,MSBL:0,DNSBL:none,Custom_rules:0:0:0 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (host216-187.lsdepts.ucsb.edu [128.111.216.187]) (Authenticated sender: mikey@rambour.com) by omf10.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:17:49 -0800 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20131105190506.KGOHO.197779.root@cdptpa-web34-z02> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net for my hyphotherm plasma, I can go cut through rustier metal on 220V than I can 110V due to higher current output and the big one is that the duty cycle is reduced so I can cut longer on 220V. Both of those are fairly minor in the big picture of me going out there and making cuts on small pieces of metal. mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 13:46:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C55C43530 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:46:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B768242FB5 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:25:17 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1383682981; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=oaSn/YEzatCpqUKK7HrRfWjphYoCgKu1zoVsfaf/F3lslfGG+qLC7uvzE8kMNNqpg wdVZ0lWjBaHkxb31jIw3kjnJ6H9cUvQwDH9bbUrtttl4TMWLP3x7ccnNYlPwso/Y7s Ab7+WKcSQRZMZRQQGYKgZNQAmSLUNmSsMSXiJYqY= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail07.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.147]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKHUWRTAPJURUS for (sender ); Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [204.76.30.253] by webmail07.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:14:20 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:14:20 GMT To: doug@dougbraun.com Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I dunno - mine is still in the box and I haven't bought a plug yet. Inch! can you help us out on this one? ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Doug Braun To: Matt , Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:20:30 -0500 Hello, How do you get the arc started on that unit? Does it have a pilot arc? Thanks,Doug On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Matt wrote: �I took Inch's recommendation and got the Ramsond plasma cutter (wow, 2 day delivery from Amazon w/free shipping!) �It works off either 220V 20amp or 110 30amp depending on the plug you put on it. I was about to put on a 220V plug but I realized that I had wired up a dedicated 30A 110 circuit for visiting RVs and it would actually be more convenient to cut near that outlet.Is there any reason to go 220 instead of 110 in this case? �All I can figure is the higher current but since I have a rated circuit it would seem convenience prevails.. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 17:07:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C87543158 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:07:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8B34311B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:56:36 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:34:04 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 11/05/2013 18:33:49, Serialize complete at 11/05/2013 18:33:49 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Matt asks... > Inch! can you help us out on this one? I haven't tried mine on 110v yet. I have 220 outlets all over my shop, so I never considered it. I guess I can try it to see, but I seem to remember the guy I spoke with at Ransome stating that it was a small performance hit (but nothing major for most of the cutting.) But I can tell you that my car charges 2 to four times faster on 220. 8>) If I were you, I would put a 110 plug on it and try the outlet that you have available. You can always change the plug later if it doesn't work out. If there is something you want me to try, just let me know. I can make a 220 to 110 pigtail so I can just plug in the unit to a regular outlet. Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 17:35:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068B843210 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:35:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 02FAD430DD for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:25:58 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1383697416; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=p0lod7IeH6MZC4ibgAU0R8Y4oiJA/YKzg45YRVUJRvX1f/8MqIRlBwoMMegJom4wB p86omQmyfsylGQdzsBevcVkIwJ/IBFFNShMf5VwsI6VZHoaHo9yiKucgj3utNkvlfS oSwTyyLpAF5yHaIwDEsaZO3TVX/sfrdSgbm0CybM= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail07.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.147]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKHUW66ABH3CKA for (sender ); Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [204.76.30.253] by webmail07.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:21:21 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:21:21 GMT Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Once again the shop list comes through. Great replies all. I think most of my use will be thin sheet metal so the convenient 30a/110V will do but an easy shift to the 220 via a pigtail makes all the sense in the world. THanks! Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: David Hillman To: Randall Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net, Matt Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical question Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:09:53 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 5 Nov 2013, Randall wrote: > I don't know, but I would check the specifications carefully. For the > MIG welders that are rated to run on either 110v or 220v, there is > usually a performance penalty on 110v. Frequently you can't use the > highest output current setting, and the duty cycle is reduced from what > it would be on 220v even on lower current settings. 30 amps of 110v provides 3300 watts. 20a of 220v is 33% more, in other words, better ;) Make a pigtail, so you can plug the machine into either place. I seriously doubt you will regret this, unless you really know you'll never need the top end ( and no friends who will ask you to bring it to their shop to cut something, etc ). You are probably not going to get more than 30a output from your 50a cutter on the 110v circuit. Speaking of which, it's doubtful you'll 50a under any circumstances. 50a cutters normally need around 35a x 220v input, which is nearly double the spec for this model. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 08:50:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C71403F0 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 08:50:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0B142F68 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 08:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.157] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2013 15:48:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.98] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2013 15:48:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Nov 2013 15:48:00 -0000 eBugPQklssKc1hISqPLfKZx2poYnrww6ZL3dloGIXxp6OUHLHmwnGzP5snDg a.dDI49zq_1SwjrqiAmkntjXPeCelTTZUSfg.oq_Ddf5fjruynOXW4IGzQZH ricPbf1wdMa7zbOrQchmupgdIbfSjzQsaoAwrZbTx9EDgAN6JhtBdgW22XfU GZM3axyR42DrQ6CaXrXnGpnyvCIKzS6QwDpgG.P.hJ2vl.bPx6HpUYkse7ye MK4UIwXaI8T0GFPFUR4LGbast1f0yOlmQACoadg4fGRrb0uQLdKuILV12zmR TUH6Qp5VGdgGqr2mgQmwEKQ3FCeqv64RSCMwJzxEHgtaGlpNXTpaFgs1iO1c NU_lVCBpYb6b9volqm_TeUFqduow3FT3c2MzNfYq98OhjWusVcbSi8SotKQW ISI7zrSfWFJvtRhzR5WYvpFhytttzijeOOTS.RuuODTdLCe8iqWWGobwZCzq NpD1PS4GaiHZCC0O0qKHXkrbDp3l4zqw04vVVKdfagTER93fhIjeYbnnsPCN QN9Xu6yxFfuSzeo4- smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Nov 2013 15:48:00 +0000 UTC From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: <6.2.5.6.1.20131031194808.04c8b878@cox.net> <001201ced759$d923b420$8b6b1c60$@Ameritech.net> <5278EEEB.8080709@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 09:48:04 -0600 Thread-Index: AQIHWMerN3SSXTGNPFS8aDDSBZtfwQHm3095Aar69ekAuZluMpmE87Lg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nibbler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Oh, installing a forced-air furnace and A/C is no problem at all - and I agree it's a simple enough job in most cases. I installed a complete system (after removing an oil-converted octopus (gravity) furnace in our old house in 1980. All new ductwork, etc. And I'm certified for Freon. I'm not concerned about doing the job myself - though whether or not I actually do this one myself is not at all certain. I have time in the winter, when there's no way to remove a furnace for days. In the nice months I tend to work 6-7 days a week. The issues here are more related to the physical limitations of the house's layout, tight furnace room, almost no access to the Zonolite-contaminated attic, no basement, and on and on. When I get into it further, I'll likely ask lots of questions. Meanwhile, if anyone here is a current HVAC tech, I'd really appreciate a post offline to tell me about the state of the art in variable-firing and DC-fan systems. Our 142-year-old, (uninsulated balloon frame walls) 2-story house would benefit from a constant flow of air to avoid stratification and alleviate some of the drafts I still haven't tracked down. I last looked into such units quite a few years ago and at that time they were brand new and reliability of variable-speed blower motors and controls was questionable, so I elected to wait a few years. Ads today give me the impression that there's much more variability available in firing rates, and 10-year warranties make me believe that DC blower motors must live longer lives now. Also, if I can get the condensate pan sealed with POR-15 putty or something (max temp at the pan is only 125 degrees), I'll hold off for another few years. Thanks! Karl -----Original Message----- From: Scott Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nibbler I'll say this about a/c repair/replacement: It's a LOT easier than I thought. If you've got even a smidgen of mechanical aptitude AND the ability to plan the purchase, I see no reason why that's not a DIY job. The markup on that stuff is INSANE, such that I'd consider trying it, and I am horrible at electronics (which seems to be the real work in a/c). Karl, I'd think with a \year to plan that you'd have few issues. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 13:45:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B408F42F4A for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:45:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9C4403E3 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:45:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20131118204408.EUND10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:44:08 -0500 Received: from wt09 ([209.225.8.59]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id r8k81m0081GRMdM058k8Dn; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:44:08 -0500 a=HVanV8ocquPEdlm//jwVqQ==:17 a=Ro1vrXSS1WIA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=dEt-iZPueDEA:10 a=MDbr0ReHQ1Wcvzl9g8MA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=1A5CWHP8mSkA:10 a=uL6H-iRnacYA:10 a=mjtPThOmSVClqOGJYNQA:9 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Received: from [165.189.255.35] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:44:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:44:08 -0500 (EST) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] autobody work forum? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Any one know of a good one? One where they are willing to help a newbie learn and not be jerks about it? Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 14:19:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B848F42F4A for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:19:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897FE40415 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:19:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-211-60.morrisbb.com [173.246.211.60] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rAILIRdR075229; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:18:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wc5813@gmail.com) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:18:18 -0500 From: w User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, Doug Braun References: <1383151803.78254.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storage Container Rental Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/30/2013 1:55 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > My garage is 24' x 24' with a nice smooth crack-free concrete floor, and > the house is about 30 years old. When I bought the house 7 years ago, I > painted the floor with epoxy (one of those kits form HD). I did a careful > job with the prep, including a power-washing and an acid etch, and the job > looked great for a while, but after a couple of years it started > blistering, and and now it has random bare spots all over the place. Wow, missed this one on the list a couple weeks ago. Been wondering the same myself. Ten years ago I laid down "Hard Deck", a two part epoxy after *extensive* cleaning and etching of the floor. The stuff is made for airport hangars. You have to be gentle with a floor jack on it, and if you drop a fairly heavy tool like a breaker bar, it will gouge it. But upon close examination the concrete below is usually gouged. Can't ask a coating to hold up if the substrate won't. It's held up a bunch better than some painted floors I've seen, Still, I'd like something better. Unfortunately, or for the better, it's so durable I think it would be nearly impossible to strip. The first epoxy layer soaked in like a stain, the 2nd laid on, and the poly' on top is *untouchable* by solvents I've seen rip up other floors. Got a little oil spill or brake fluid? Throw some acetone, MEK, brake cleaner, etc on it and wipe up. I WILL NOT budge. The company rates it as resistant to "skydrol" which is some kind of aviation hydraulic fluid I have not used myself, but assume is pretty harsh. http://www.airtechcoatings.com/galleryhd.html -w _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 14:30:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C8342F65 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:30:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f51.google.com (mail-qe0-f51.google.com [209.85.128.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2ADF40415 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:29:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f51.google.com with SMTP id d4so919069qej.24 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:28:15 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=T9lsk6GdWQgj7DRGd0NwdpLE8Ae9Xs/Da2iuYeGu3/4=; b=tvIlw8IQ7X7W6pPeOodqFt9AgYnSc/1V9upyoqW6YukMrs3D/yTXaYytywPrwelmVK ZwmcK7tosF8A9ITnfkdH0Utmbp6ZuNC2OMe3o73OrgmXaQOLIwc8BxhtgFukqa500FSc PbsU/Xb7zuMjnS5xc7FbdSwxPt4WU34RIxxn4JmkIfeTmhGb1aKsYHFtwxE9bedNYUIY nD+LCNTxErs8vcmhajQVwNptEPo0ChBTjOmYA2B/J6cntMU3Db5H8TfPWwWz8hJCv8L8 1o6eqPkGd3+Ymtz+NK3ZdVyDWwwweqFU5LJ3GH18XMWeu4Z2FPXWhKt/Gpq7a2uChc4a E6Nw== y4mr37325675qat.65.1384810094870; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.124.197 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:28:14 -0800 (PST) References: <1383151803.78254.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <528A841A.8020707@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:28:14 -0600 From: John Innis To: w Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storage Container Rental Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have used skydrol. I was an aircraft mechanic in a previous life. That stuff was nasty. We had a large spill on the hanger floor one day and after helping clean it up about half of the rubber soles on my sneakers was gone. Supposedly it would not burn even at very high temperatures, but I never had occasion to test that. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:18 PM, w wrote: > On 10/30/2013 1:55 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > >> My garage is 24' x 24' with a nice smooth crack-free concrete floor, and >> the house is about 30 years old. When I bought the house 7 years ago, I >> painted the floor with epoxy (one of those kits form HD). I did a careful >> job with the prep, including a power-washing and an acid etch, and the job >> looked great for a while, but after a couple of years it started >> blistering, and and now it has random bare spots all over the place. >> > > Wow, missed this one on the list a couple weeks ago. Been wondering the > same myself. > > Ten years ago I laid down "Hard Deck", a two part epoxy after *extensive* > cleaning and etching of the floor. The stuff is made for airport hangars. > You have to be gentle with a floor jack on it, and if you drop a fairly > heavy tool like a breaker bar, it will gouge it. But upon close examination > the concrete below is usually gouged. Can't ask a coating to hold up if the > substrate won't. > > It's held up a bunch better than some painted floors I've seen, Still, I'd > like something better. Unfortunately, or for the better, it's so durable I > think it would be nearly impossible to strip. The first epoxy layer soaked > in like a stain, the 2nd laid on, and the poly' on top is *untouchable* by > solvents I've seen rip up other floors. Got a little oil spill or brake > fluid? Throw some acetone, MEK, brake cleaner, etc on it and wipe up. I > WILL NOT budge. The company rates it as resistant to "skydrol" which is > some kind of aviation hydraulic fluid I have not used myself, but assume is > pretty harsh. > > http://www.airtechcoatings.com/galleryhd.html > > -w > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 20:08:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4204D4044D for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 20:08:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.121]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C50C40401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 20:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 03:01:01 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.148] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 03:01:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 03:01:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384830060; bh=JlHTqoa47SWvOcJgX/zvXoeE5iKZz7Igip2W+wj1Xf8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=nFMDft6ujlpuvk0MgkjIPE7uO3Sqrgb3jl2lmIqU9OIZ3khA+0e3FOEGJYLUhYzVRWpUAXZbPBbfZC0tIMvwlqp8D0+Lf3EPRskYW1oQOocm3IuhmRpfhi/ofyAEZxgwtODKae7j15UCDfjD5Kmu96G0qVEiCIXeMxMERvw7K38= e_j6By.kuJqoMyTMVXnnip6Ohglod_Yt28B7HfIyya8aHynOEpVVgP6ngj_1 s9pE1hssgTlvAP3sFJjqGEycZ4oyQ3850weafFBRC39nTPM03FDxwCvr6Qwm 9cWF6IDtew1cyHRvL0wG97.Ep.9DfBG.J2MMuQUxzUp1raY1PwvSAkK2hND8 UEgcg2n2p1boaSOnKAGFjUbIdqRpThnXvABUCjEegzfqqfHTcx2qTOikUNL5 bMJaKs7QnEThJ2uG5D2abzhrmeDtrcglA0bKlVTQnRMH5CHwxjc0_wLpF8w9 q9jltV9utUSjQAEn9K_dCF0si2BYMMwFhZs.Jx9v4QpY9it..JXnPGMtM721 bAIz1BE4KQTYs4fjRbl0JlCBwVBWa3SObW2eSA6Hnr1fM8jusynKV5pN9.MN QQ8Xey54IJc7ZxskUfXW77LG0j07rUpp7ZFGR1Ak5T4mvU4Xe6WZdQsMR9VI Kimt3m3cfT64Ji3M2kACVkx4b5w-- smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2013 03:01:00 +0000 UTC From: "Jack Brooks" To: References: <1383151803.78254.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <528A841A.8020707@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:01:00 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7ko7/cEmAXSe+JT5qxUG0CBmGeFAALry0A Subject: [Shop-talk] Epoxy floor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/30/2013 1:55 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > My garage is 24' x 24' with a nice smooth crack-free concrete floor, and > the house is about 30 years old. When I bought the house 7 years ago, I > painted the floor with epoxy (one of those kits form HD). I did a careful > job with the prep, including a power-washing and an acid etch, and the job > looked great for a while, but after a couple of years it started > blistering, and and now it has random bare spots all over the place. During your wet season duct tape a 2x2 foot square of plastic over one or more of the blistered areas and see if you get condensation under there after a few days. Unless those spots were still a bit oily, moisture might be your issue. Jack _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 20:31:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B7342F4A for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 20:31:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com (mail-wi0-f171.google.com [209.85.212.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDDB40401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 20:31:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id hj6so1633235wib.16 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:30:29 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EaAeIL710XrOcETomTblfu7krcT6cNEdN6pimUbxL6o=; b=k+J/7/vlisIgE2BdV1ABnJCcyg1w8ntdczjLP8jYCL0kW3+lbKZKRKyX/nj7PpUl4P TYaDjyuTRAei6mnAl30WfKmbcRzdlRb3Feh7MMz69VvpaQOClVs+A4Oy6I/o+CB5P9D0 Bok/E8SA3wY/oVMeITiltl/qABMnD2JXE0XhqKdaTegaoeouAzT7+ClGaYwb4geD0FMQ HJy8V0W6X0CTdowH65Scw/d9SjQW0ufSwBftGeN9HgcnD33BBkPqM9NXgWzLD9SLTlhW bKEnMeyYvAjYMSQvepcOq1d5pIkSid3KFxpNWGwIgvyGzroBBRR5CsAUScbmlCGQFaQB 99Sg== d5mr19273869wjw.18.1384831829730; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.202.134 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:30:29 -0800 (PST) References: <1383151803.78254.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <528A841A.8020707@gmail.com> <06045B9CE9A44421A144A5A4C874667C@Antec300> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:30:29 -0600 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Jack Brooks , Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Epoxy floor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Third time's the charm; I had to learn the hard way but the "etch" process is critical: one can't just pour and broom around muriatic acid in etching; what worked for me is to use a big plastic watering can from the garden store: make sure *every square inch of floor* gets contact with *fresh* acid from the sprinkler. The acid is quickly "killed" by it's reaction with the concrete and becomes neutralized it seems to me. On 18 November 2013 21:01, Jack Brooks wrote: > On 10/30/2013 1:55 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > > My garage is 24' x 24' with a nice smooth crack-free concrete floor, and > > the house is about 30 years old. When I bought the house 7 years ago, I > > painted the floor with epoxy (one of those kits form HD). I did a > careful > > job with the prep, including a power-washing and an acid etch, and the > job > > looked great for a while, but after a couple of years it started > > blistering, and and now it has random bare spots all over the place. > > During your wet season duct tape a 2x2 foot square of plastic over one or > more of the blistered areas and see if you get condensation under there > after a few days. Unless those spots were still a bit oily, moisture might > be your issue. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 21:44:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2786540513 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:44:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF931403F6 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:44:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 04:43:12 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.145] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 04:43:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2013 04:43:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384836192; bh=WlGyOsOTxFIuMAddicm6qPjeqag6dS4uXdMy+fKPAZI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=K0C2dojDrMTRMBTGWLxdIIU81KyWJGnD08rOGe0/yYgZzprhaDXhJmO2AFS68qmp1BZlJeSpaS7m9yIhFeJNfVywp0RrD4KLqyGatwhOznUl7hceIDyhtloHp8qis1GrKTZ4GKeVhg0CcRiHDW7NdZM/EICHq4Lc9L6Y7vUig4Q= jtDjAs5TFpuNNB1QpAb9uyxmj3s.tUnOMBy1Gd5k8sHu2dGlCVGk.MX4EQud NPBGjemiyp8Sq7KC0pujq0T257PLPnxm1rHzPmwt1OQk4LyA8ijIiA5.hFlj WH2Schf9Td.lx58xOJIQXqYvN9cN25aMMcWqcHsn75y1NWcGGgtvJ.rqZJiw 8f97yWe.YAww4MeT08px.oRLKFhcBatzI3Vi8V0s73SWvyUw1VI1kfrOKjW6 35XfoJ92fVugTwl8_QAl_FJzloBEKumEvVu8N5bbKy2N1dC79qrh6zZ.TH5Z JYrsCiT1K1fTnHiru6AewhS6wZFrZuNCH5QCIW88qAQuJF0j25SbWuToDEu3 ZpO.HEdim6.NB5NSCwNutsR5527zAMFQeHsm9FHGCifP0s1O4wo7N.uiray3 6Y2hfFjZ0DSP4NmO6nHAaQAhEZUpipNSeW4lSNw5f4xep0ZUHOytRMTXHMHD MovUn06QOha9Zxm0FHfX53KFGXwc8WP7umcF2DC.m1UGmxxKtQUN2G8QECqZ JdRukndJXUdXGXFMXlpsjqO.C8ZkJLzNn511NxqhZ5fIWTl4BlM0jpqRv7_H rXKGo9HctpUF8kHrWtur7fKfhCS0JKQyagbHRBboVzVTzovo- smtp117.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2013 04:43:12 +0000 UTC From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Shop Talk List'" References: <1383151803.78254.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><528A841A.8020707@gmail.com><06045B9CE9A44421A144A5A4C874667C@Antec300> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 20:43:11 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7k17LZk8XhE/e+Ru2131Akm6rVZAACQG3w Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Epoxy floor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The best method is a scarification machine, like a blast track http://www.tcsdivisions.com/blast-tracking It will remove everything and leave nice, open pore concrete for the epoxy bond to. Muriatic can often get all the painted steel in the garage rusting, if you dont ventilate well enough. The problem with a blast track is that for just painting a floor, it might leave grooves in the concrete; its that tough on the floor. We used them when we were troweling on a sand/epoxy mix < inch thick. That was a tough floor. For home use, or small areas, we often used diamond stones on commercial floor polishers to grind off the surface finished and top layer of concrete. This is what I would use to prep for paint in my home garage. It cleans off all coatings, gets to open pore concrete and smoothes out the concrete at the same time. Jack _____ From: Elton E. (Tony) Clark [mailto:eltonclark@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 7:30 PM To: Jack Brooks; Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Epoxy floor Third time's the charm; I had to learn the hard way but the "etch" process is critical: one can't just pour and broom around muriatic acid in etching; what worked for me is to use a big plastic watering can from the garden store: make sure every square inch of floor gets contact with fresh acid from the sprinkler. The acid is quickly "killed" by it's reaction with the concrete and becomes neutralized it seems to me. On 18 November 2013 21:01, Jack Brooks wrote: On 10/30/2013 1:55 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > My garage is 24' x 24' with a nice smooth crack-free concrete floor, and > the house is about 30 years old. When I bought the house 7 years ago, I > painted the floor with epoxy (one of those kits form HD). I did a careful > job with the prep, including a power-washing and an acid etch, and the job > looked great for a while, but after a couple of years it started > blistering, and and now it has random bare spots all over the place. During your wet season duct tape a 2x2 foot square of plastic over one or more of the blistered areas and see if you get condensation under there after a few days. Unless those spots were still a bit oily, moisture might be your issue. Jack _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 12:45:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EA042F76 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:45:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C6F42F57 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 12:39:58 -0700 (MST) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:17:56 -0500 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 11/19/2013 14:17:38, Serialize complete at 11/19/2013 14:17:38 Subject: [Shop-talk] Quick charger question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a rechargeable flashlight with a 6V6AH/20HR battery. What size charger should I use on it? (I'm assuming it's 6 volt, but what amp rating should I use?) Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 14:36:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78D542F60 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:36:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B494403FC for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:36:12 -0700 (MST) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=r5jNMuMLAxQA:10 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=iuz2f6Kg_Rrcf0RH7A0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=fN2J7l6Gh3oA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:56017] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02.mail.rr.com) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 78/AD-00722-C89DB825; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:35:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:35:08 +0000 From: Randall To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net, eric@megageek.com Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Quick charger question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- eric@megageek.com wrote: > I have a rechargeable flashlight with a 6V6AH/20HR battery. > > What size charger should I use on it? (I'm assuming it's 6 volt, but what > amp rating should I use?) Any idea what battery technology it is? I'm guessing it's lead-acid AGM. In which case you really want a 3-stage charger that will supply a "bulk" charge of about 2 amps until the battery voltage reaches about 7.45 volts (ideally corrected for temperature), then hold the voltage there until the charge current drops below about 42ma, then let the voltage drop to 6.9 volts (again corrected for temperature). But you can pretty much get away with a charger that just holds 7.45 volts (at up to 2 amps) and then unplug it after 8-10 hours. If you forget and leave it though, it will shorten the battery life. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 20:47:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FEA4041E for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:47:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4911C42FD6 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:47:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A40124C314 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 03:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.164]) by localhost (filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.234]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id nqriBTDNj9FX for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 03:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-131-180.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.131.180]) by relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BCBF66096 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 03:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:45:58 -0800 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <20131119213509.76QSE.7086.root@cdptpa-web34-z02> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Quick charger question and another charger question while we're at it. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Minor thread hijack. I just got a couple of Baofeng UV-5R H/T radios. (I'm sitting for my Technician license Saturday). They come with Li-Ion batteries which seem to last a LONG time. I also ordered an AA battery tray for them so I could use AA batteries in an emergency. Can the factory charger, which is set up to charge Li Ion batteries, also charge NiCads or Nimh batteries if I stick the AA battery tray in the charger? On 11/19/2013 1:35 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- eric@megageek.com wrote: >> I have a rechargeable flashlight with a 6V6AH/20HR battery. >> >> What size charger should I use on it? (I'm assuming it's 6 volt, but what >> amp rating should I use?) > Any idea what battery technology it is? I'm guessing it's lead-acid AGM. In which case you really want a 3-stage charger that will supply a "bulk" charge of about 2 amps until the battery voltage reaches about 7.45 volts (ideally corrected for temperature), then hold the voltage there until the charge current drops below about 42ma, then let the voltage drop to 6.9 volts (again corrected for temperature). > > But you can pretty much get away with a charger that just holds 7.45 volts (at up to 2 amps) and then unplug it after 8-10 hours. If you forget and leave it though, it will shorten the battery life. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 12:12:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF0542F03 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:12:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EE540511 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:12:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id sKBZ1m00G4VKuxU01KBZ8b; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 12:11:34 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:11:30 -0800 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cast Iron Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you have anything (cast iron) that needs repair, Ibd strongly suggest that you consider bCast Iron Mikeb in Marysville, WA (north of Seattle). Hebs been doing this for years (Ibve seen evidence of him going three layers deep inside an old engine block, doing the repair, then coming back out and doing the successive repairs to the first and second layers). In one of my cases, I had a 1912 Buick engine block that had earlier been brazed back together. The entire side of the block had popped into nearly a dozen pieces due to freezing. He took it all apart, removed all the brazing material and then welded everything back together. He finished smooth then stipples with a power tool to match the original finish. It was near impossible to spot any evidence of the extensive repairs. The reason for my bring this up as a topic is that economic times are difficult and many of us here in the NW donbt want to loose this resource. If you want to get some cast iron welding done but think bIbll get around to it somedayb, then now is that day. You can contact Mike at 360-657-7660. His shop is located at Cast Iron Repair Specialists 16129 Smokey Point Blvd, Ste A, Marysville, WA 98271 Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 20:50:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B26142B1A for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:50:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB6442713 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e6b78.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.107.120]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MWP007P46L9KMF0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:48:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:47:17 -0500 From: Steven Trovato To: Tim , Shop Talk References: <4b11381.2a763.1426cf4be7b.Webtop.49@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] autobody work forum? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wow. I was watching for an answer to this. I was hoping to find one as well. I guess the lack of response is not a very promising sign. Let us know if you find something. I did find the yahoo group called "autobodyrestoration" but it doesn't seem to have much activity anymore. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 03:44 PM 11/18/2013, Tim wrote: >Any one know of a good one? One where they are willing to help a newbie >learn and not be jerks about it? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 22:51:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E569F42F40 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:51:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EA242982 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:50:57 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id l6so2343943oag.35 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:49:37 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1BdFD8MTnEhQ7Lls/5BMjb3XDX6P619lKcUNj4IXCi0=; b=gxh+HUVXfBJe1QKRAqANJPIWQ6SI7FZPwpW9o4NhhDGaxUHnVVIa/R1gvuMv+a8R9h +OKii5ACCQd/CAykv5TwVzPHE2YdS2gJ88R0Q7rCcheAclu1GGBzwmlrE2u44RjRPlgk xrSz6sjECvwtza6f4m3Nijq/gIYNwFR1bLBH7gg5RU2N+KbpyFlUhGnOyXyLKwUpJhOq lL6jBB4PYkMXvPh9l46qD/AJ7Txhu3OQAlqkztLr5nkerlNry1y92D8Uq/9oNYr9zDlU pC2uXxNLSS+08tydlIl8xBGRdB0k+kjl4zCEQ2sAy7InDIPCUd3GzGoe+QbyjKVN1jIp 54pA== vj2mr14384764obb.26.1385185777290; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:49:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.134.231 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:49:37 -0800 (PST) References: <4b11381.2a763.1426cf4be7b.Webtop.49@charter.net> <0MWP007P56L9KMF0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 00:49:37 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: Steven Trovato , Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] autobody work forum? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yahoo in general doesn't have much activity anymore.... Try jalopyjournal.com, autobody101.com, Eastwood's forums, or autobodystore.net's forums. You might have better luck looking for hot rod or antique restoration forums rather than generic auto body forums. Doug On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:47 PM, Steven Trovato wrote: > Wow. I was watching for an answer to this. I was hoping to find one as > well. I guess the lack of response is not a very promising sign. Let us > know if you find something. I did find the yahoo group called > "autobodyrestoration" but it doesn't seem to have much activity anymore. > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net > > At 03:44 PM 11/18/2013, Tim wrote: > >> Any one know of a good one? One where they are willing to help a newbie >> learn and not be jerks about it? >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@ > dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 23 14:27:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96ED442EED for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:27:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A58403E3 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:27:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20131123212554.EAEL10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:25:54 -0500 Received: from wt09 ([209.225.8.59]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id t9Ru1m0071GRMdM059RuQp; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:25:54 -0500 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=Wlpz6_zg2y4A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=OgWMyOyoP8gA:10 a=8IG7JVHeAAAA:8 a=Q7QokAUph0bXpOvGhoIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=NtX-NKBfKvkA:10 a=V9jAyGFDvLUA:10 a=iLZyUUFl5bMA:10 a=1mmcekfJNskA:10 a=evFDjtOmfkcA:10 a=BvOVXUuVTaMA:10 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:25:54 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:25:54 -0500 (EST) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] FW: RE: autobody work forum? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This came to me privately, not to the whole list. I have not yet taken a look at it. Hi Tim, Try this place out. I haven't followed it in a while, but the forums there used to be a good site. http://autobodystore.com/forum/forum.php _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 13:03:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB96042EFA for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:03:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A68403E4 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:02:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tXhC1m00Q0QkzPwAEY1Vrg; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:01:29 +0000 Received: from SusieandMarkPC ([76.21.64.167]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tY1U1m0063cWj0U8NY1U1u; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:01:29 +0000 From: "Mark Miller" To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:01:28 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7pR2b71sSb90eATjCbMRYyJAbuUwACCD8g s=q20121106; t=1385323289; bh=S+9VD0sVIJd+kAhchAejO4j9cZBncaDJPd5oFAsOBU8=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EIx9RBog3OgJfsoiD49FeqwZ65zLXN+GFDgOvDMx/gApJD2d4GwhWFdmsIZRPqt4L VY21BkQrL7Rg5dknf3MGLX94zUQbt9kRdfbgzPtmaLWFqqtmFZn2dhGWnjsizG/qoZ cBVfiM+1tUpXOmvhbU851jm0ei58ONnNGOTUfh8gtcH+nkRa8HPgPO6x7cS6wr8iz7 aH7/6XOyJHklaxBr39/GYsG2vnSfF5hteY9eC5aqRj34i2G0Hg5py3xOK8ztZ59tD6 fqTJWokLEAFnpgXLXqml6l94NPC6q+LPwdB8Ny8GWxvKupmt3gkitEVeyqokO1CYvp cELP+gexFhUWw== Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi. I am in the market for a pretty good, great in not in the budget, 12V battery charger. $50-100 or so. Run of the mill 10A, maybe a lower range as well. I am tired of the HF ones that always seem to fail right when I have a battery that needs it. What say ye, o list of near infinite wisdom? Thanks! Mark Miller _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 13:41:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890C6403EF for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:41:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 17417403E4 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:36:28 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1385325279; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=QP/GYWTB+Dr9bhvyy9ZfuUcxwCVlP1HndZOUlW54lm0Q1V0ZLM1RnlvQGLoGRAHDh p08SgHqUaHa2J5YPMnriGutyd6v6rlAj9oxjgmgu6du6JoPbkzDHBrTXoWLKr4uebj F1ani7nF53GiOif/+SltRjVRLQ2yh9N5/L5mtm5E= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail11.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.151]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKKE2YMAW7QB5S for (sender ); Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail11.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:33:05 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:33:05 GMT To: markmiller@threeboysfarm.com Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have both of these and they work well: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200326706_200326706 http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332201_200332201 Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Mark Miller" To: Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:01:28 -0800 Hi. I am in the market for a pretty good, great in not in the budget, 12V battery charger. $50-100 or so. Run of the mill 10A, maybe a lower range as well. I am tired of the HF ones that always seem to fail right when I have a battery that needs it. What say ye, o list of near infinite wisdom? Thanks! Mark Miller _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mbarre@juno.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 15:22:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E33942A51 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:22:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 94892403D4 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:21:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.170] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2013 22:20:03 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.244] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2013 22:20:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2013 22:20:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 63241 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2013 22:20:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385331602; bh=H3eVt08mBU8FOglRhuo/ctFCY5md4pJBPThoBx2z4pc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kqqs0u3CRmBNd/RNI4ehXvDmGlMUa8vziO6It6GD3tMu1S5k47tSiVncSJxx9usHojNOcnZmk2CA5HOsbuFTrzX2Wys7oSPC4CxnWxSnQhlyFEUTH791pI80cIoCHSp6l8/yLs9Jod3DPVRmRiwOHOqSBv9kwi8daCzVo/ut9cY= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1Q9nYnELEqoMwcLPYwGaS8Wm2BwSgiL+E2qzBDZvaKjmJ2hhdkr2cFyyhWBACIb79wttZxR06B+dRWyGwgF1nXdb/Izd5AnachlXn8l9FgDS+cMg5Wo0s5CBtFMasaFDSWKIDskkcdY/ybY7ab6mqxTLWzCiLnMXwGmQlVkosds=; 9BN3JPUe73I_ObKSq9VKiR7rPVMwpT3dPapH0k7IDKm54wSJU7z7ZB9Rydw_ rtqA7SCltmcvgkYMfgoMbwmQNup6O1c6d0Wg2abEruvxyUfopv6NF6nO312B Db0EmtnFv.Vk6AaVh.jjURoO5PXzJtIybTic62S55F2XHoSe3oJTtq3HAaIF r9DNWNMbeCua4O.xDbHtwlP91zVjB.yp.mVsk_5Aofh1P.kzBL59cjKoFiDM KS4.iNrLQGZb2U__qv_cOZhS5HpYBGcePML5Fe87Puce6DNbb_WU83ELPpFq pUQvSMVKZpdedxFPCKoUTIr0Mgxz3XrE03kpyC6d4RjWEwm3eqkxlywOuaQU 1thJcmb8YIQsd6LKXBecSDoV83BjVhxoegtNGlSvNWbjcAnLJZKrtrmDPZo3 mRsuBSgivWpkCGAzWrfMtJh0d.YtL6q4zajhfRNR2yIjoflPsCq1hsKqxmW8 3rhx2EVuAcrpRmXBmzcVbAbVGWKTxvmtS3BzcXU0bLL96fn85YurtfogE.hd Nx5mmTu2TCsW4owU4m.kTP60IfecJCbFUbbBhwAmHtFu.cucQBEjupSLv2fl bY3PgW6VPsULu_qYqI.wxD17leupvYPJsO8R7Y20ebye0KIn72Sf_3WosLFl DL3Rxq2jCqxivjgAhMn2WMw.F7SdYvgb938SecawauRaRHeX1V_4dh1OshaH OXMKMFoRIL.v2MNprc37kMMivp1S3nrrEJ4TZI.d0RPes22ekjuxtcbPu Received: from [68.19.204.152] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:20:01 PST SGkgTWFyaywKCkkgaGF2ZSB0d28gb2YgdGhlc2Ugc2luZ2xlIGNoYXJnZXJzIGFuZCBhIGRvdWJsZSBjaGFyZ2VyIHVuaXQgdGhhdCBJIHVzZSBvbiBteSBtb3RvcmN5Y2xlcyBhbmQgY2Fycy4gwqBUaGV5IGFyZSBub3QgY2hlYXAsIGJ1dCBoYXZlIGJlZW4gZ3JlYXQgdG8gdXNlIGZvciB0aGUgbGFzdCBmaXZlIHllYXJzIG9yIHNvLiDCoEkgd291bGQgYnV5IG1vcmU6CgpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmFtYXpvbi5jb20vUHVsc2UtQmF0dGVyeS1DaGFyZ2VyLVh0cmVtZS0xMDBYMDEwL2RwL0IwMDBPNzA3SU8KCsKgCmIBMAEBAQE- References: <4D5F868E39F747F0A60EC3D9026595F3@SusieandMarkPC> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:20:01 -0800 (PST) From: old dirtbeard To: "markmiller@threeboysfarm.com" , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Mark, I have two of these single chargers and a double charger unit that I use on my motorcycles and cars. They are not cheap, but have been great to use for the last five years or so. I would buy more: http://www.amazon.com/Pulse-Battery-Charger-Xtreme-100X010/dp/B000O707IO best, doug ________________ '72 BSA B50SS '74 Moto Guzzi 850T '01 HD XHL 883 '03 GMC Cargo Van '07 Aprilia SXV 550 '13 Aprilia Tuono V4R ________________________________ From: Mark Miller To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:01 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Hi. I am in the market for a pretty good, great in not in the budget, 12V battery charger. $50-100 or so. Run of the mill 10A, maybe a lower range as well. I am tired of the HF ones that always seem to fail right when I have a battery that needs it. What say ye, o list of near infinite wisdom? Thanks! Mark Miller _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 15:32:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A4D42F62 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:32:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailfront4.g2host.com [208.42.184.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25107403EF for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:29:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [76.164.52.117] (account arvidj@visi.com HELO HP62011) by mailfront4.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPA id 132950640; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:26:14 -0600 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: , References: <4D5F868E39F747F0A60EC3D9026595F3@SusieandMarkPC> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:27:20 -0600 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've had this one for a few years and like it ... http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200404864_200404864 The only thing I initially found odd when I first got it was the lack of an on-off switch. That has turned out to be a non-issue. Hook it up to the battery, plug it in, set a couple of buttons to give it clue [it is a 'smart' charger, not a 'clairvoyant' charger] as to what you want to see in the display [Battery %, Voltage, Alternator %], what the battery technology is [12v Standard, 12v AGM, 12v Gel Cell, 6v Standard] and the battery size [Small, Medium to Large, Engine Start]. It seems to shut the charging circuit off at the proper time. Arvid _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 15:33:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C947B430D6 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:33:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB99403EF for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:30:32 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Jxxb1bR88Dt9THu9h0SqoFUGaj+fWIeNWAdVG0+uQ8axz+NSQ5OHZoC9pHxcBl8D; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.13.170] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VkiAp-0003fW-H0; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:29:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:28:46 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: Tim , Shop Talk References: <4b11381.2a763.1426cf4be7b.Webtop.49@charter.net> <0MWP007P56L9KMF0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] autobody work forum? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tim - Also check your local public library. That is where I learned how to rebuild an engine. I read a couple books, mostly about V8s, but it gave me the extra background to make sense of the Bentley manual for my TR6. If you want a serious education on body work, check with a community college or vocational center as they may have a course available. Brian On 11/22/2013 7:47 PM, Steven Trovato wrote: > Wow. I was watching for an answer to this. I was hoping to find one > as well. I guess the lack of response is not a very promising sign. > Let us know if you find something. I did find the yahoo group called > "autobodyrestoration" but it doesn't seem to have much activity anymore. > > -Steve Trovato > strovato@optonline.net > > At 03:44 PM 11/18/2013, Tim wrote: >> Any one know of a good one? One where they are willing to help a newbie >> learn and not be jerks about it? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 15:34:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222D340548 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:34:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1704032C for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:34:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e6b78.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.107.120]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-9.20 (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPA id <0MWS004XYHA5RZC0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:32:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:31:47 -0500 From: Steven Trovato To: markmiller@threeboysfarm.com, shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <4D5F868E39F747F0A60EC3D9026595F3@SusieandMarkPC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a Schumacher XC-103 like this: www.amazon.com/Schumacher-XC103-SpeedCharge-Battery-Charger/dp/B004EIBWQ0 I would say it qualifies as pretty good. It is right in your budget. One criticism is that the "100 Amp Engine Start" feature is not realistically able to start an engine with a completely dead battery. As long as you aren't really expecting that, it isn't a big deal. Also, as seems to be the trend with the latest "smart" battery chargers, it won't charge a completely dead battery. It has to sense the voltage to turn itself on. This seems completely crazy to me and I did consider this to be a show stopper. What's the point of a battery charger that can't charge a dead battery? Then I talked to a Schumacher tech support guy who told me that if you press and hold both buttons down on the front panel while plugging the unit in, it will override the stupid logic and start charging. This isn't documented anywhere. With this little bit of secret knowledge, this became a useful charger again! I also had a problem with my unit when I tried to charge a 6 Volt car battery. It charged to over 90% and then magically switched from 6V to 12V mode and continued to charge as though it was a 12 Volt battery! I sent the charger in for warranty service. It was over a year old at the time. The unit probably had this problem from day one, but this was the first time I tried it on a 6 Volt battery. I got the unit back and it did the exact same thing. Another round on the telephone and they sent me a new unit and paid for shipping the old one back. This all sounds very negative, but ultimately they were very helpful and made everything right. That's more than I can say for most companies. Most people will never encounter a 6 Volt battery. The replacement unit handles them fine. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 03:01 PM 11/24/2013, Mark Miller wrote: >Hi. I am in the market for a pretty good, great in not in the budget, 12V >battery charger. $50-100 or so. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 15:47:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B694403C7 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:47:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACEB4032C for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:39:15 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GTJYjhdCsb3sxO0SrTbyi4svJ6nhyxyLHD7BCW2koyv4CBQZLfzqchkQNz+/yS9S; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.13.170] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VkiHF-0001r8-CL; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:35:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:35:24 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: "markmiller@threeboysfarm.com" , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <4D5F868E39F747F0A60EC3D9026595F3@SusieandMarkPC> <1385331601.61211.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mark - I have a 12A Die Hard charger from Sears that has been very reliable. It has a 2A range to top off a battery or I used it for my underwater scooter's smaller battery. It also has an engine start setting. This is helpful when a battery is a little too far discharged, but you want to take the car out for a drive. I do about 5 minutes at the 12A setting then switch to the engine start and crank the engine. Brian ________________________________ From: Mark Miller To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:01 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Hi. I am in the market for a pretty good, great in not in the budget, 12V battery charger. $50-100 or so. Run of the mill 10A, maybe a lower range as well. I am tired of the HF ones that always seem to fail right when I have a battery that needs it. What say ye, o list of near infinite wisdom? Thanks! Mark Miller _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 15:49:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A35F43123 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:49:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875F540396 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:46:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20131124224511.YTNI10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:45:11 -0500 Received: from wt07 ([209.225.8.57]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id talB1m0051Dq0wp05alB2k; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:45:11 -0500 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=rftJiWUYdh8A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=oyttlFYdGo0A:10 a=xRfjoxBpAAAA:8 a=MRvKpw5BfbFMwsb3b0AA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=bgAgzZxQv2QA:10 a=BcwT0Smst7MCtTIIGOhIgQ==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:45:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:45:11 -0500 (EST) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] autobody work forum? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Brian. Unfortunately, the program at the local tech school in Madison is an eight hour a day/five days a week thing. There is no option to just take, say, a welding class or a paint class. It sucks. tim On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > Tim - Also check your local public library. That is where I learned > how to rebuild an engine. I read a couple books, mostly about V8s, > but it gave me the extra background to make sense of the Bentley > manual for my TR6. > > If you want a serious education on body work, check with a community > college or vocational center as they may have a course available. > > Brian > > On 11/22/2013 7:47 PM, Steven Trovato wrote: >> Wow. I was watching for an answer to this. I was hoping to find one >> as well. I guess the lack of response is not a very promising sign. >> Let us know if you find something. I did find the yahoo group called >> "autobodyrestoration" but it doesn't seem to have much activity >> anymore. >> >> -Steve Trovato >> strovato@optonline.net >> >> At 03:44 PM 11/18/2013, Tim wrote: >>> Any one know of a good one? One where they are willing to help a >>> newbie >>> learn and not be jerks about it? >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 15:50:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A820430F1 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:50:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm25.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 877A240078 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:50:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2013 22:49:03 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.118] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2013 22:49:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2013 22:49:03 -0000 frdIvqtq_dVpai7_2M5hTzC02iB_mejANZfbku_tHS9W1uukwJZtbS6n9AbC lJ4t5nF8OtLzhaBZDTGWBGQoGWbOD872piVMp_fks5A2My1qT0dJpF3yhxnX 4YzlaEY7MvGo9Ajie_8FespUgeXx8SMb7ur8D.4Uz4V3eBHjAA0HX8sDihO_ sNTofKFsvu6OLmhqo2J4V9sSopX1.T7psDNKHSATDB0hcz0I.G4.J.bJGWrt bnC.rRiq.b1ZLcJzYexxRncbcR950vskPmw8wx5vH_g5QKPYSR7uVozxvnMQ .E7kiqEJ_kUrBk.kW2kR9cQ2Nf3H07FShBi3wqrVNN86WeaU_qt1z0.add2U YUO8OUqeVfoYM3QBYU65qjTT9rOjJQo8mnjF99k.4iqUNqCo00sbVy3dngAX ELdS9wNeOGZnyBaNFZtu5RWnnP4IAJ3M2KEJWS7CWgDcbMowriqUbHhicYcb zYXSH9QOd2.hNF6opQjul7oFHQ6pz5PgNh0XOtWFap15FyRzuuQbxHcAljDz N5dhAWkHYqM3WM_RUbuW_H.uGZsuMYF8WXsgCEY61y8vBME6lSmYRURqTOiw .WkOzukrVNDrLJouWgE_FIQTSSfw7AQRH57uRf6TnI18frzjzR0NgpOHVfIV amx7_UfAgmRuCADuE2i2pBNHrXRiD47hAX_mEEJ5RlSGOOIr1Uqd_8.AwNt8 QtC9.2Zst smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2013 14:49:03 -0800 PST From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: <20131124.153305.18386.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:49:03 -0600 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQLlGTvNyueq3CKgsxcmvvfCK7AipJgIjRow Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Second that on both sizes of BatteryMinder - I actually have 6 of the smaller model and one of the large. Every one of them is in use all winter, and most of them are in use all summer too. The way they extend battery life by desulphation has paid for them. But really the small ones are battery maintainers and won't help you start your car today. Further, if you have a completely dead battery be aware that computer chargers like these require a minimum threshold voltage in the battery, and sill not begin to work if the battery is lower than that. Therefore, a "plain old" charger can be handy too. They do not check the battery voltage or desulphate, but just create DC power. Schumacher is an old, well-respected brand. I'd want at least a 25-amp mode if not a 75-amp or more "Start" mode. Even a "Start" mode won't actually start a car directly (starters draw more than that), but it will get enough charge into a decent battery within a few minutes to let you start the car. I suggest that you avoid the "Vector" chargers (now owned by Black & Decker). They look pretty but they tend to break quickly - a large percentage of owner reviews report failures. Mine died Friday after a few years of infrequent use, and I'm considering just throwing it out rather than bothering to fix it. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Matt Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger I have both of these and they work well: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200326706_200326706 http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332201_200332201 Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Mark Miller" To: Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:01:28 -0800 Hi. I am in the market for a pretty good, great in not in the budget, 12V battery charger. $50-100 or so. Run of the mill 10A, maybe a lower range as well. I am tired of the HF ones that always seem to fail right when I have a battery that needs it. What say ye, o list of near infinite wisdom? Thanks! Mark Miller _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mbarre@juno.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/kvacek@ameritech.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 16:06:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE91242F48 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:06:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23074038B for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:05:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C86A0345 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:04:27 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:04:26 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: Shop Talk References: <4b11381.2a763.1426cf4be7b.Webtop.49@charter.net> <0MWP007P56L9KMF0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <52927D9E.8040509@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] autobody work forum? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Brian Kemp wrote: > > If you want a serious education on body work, check with a community > college or vocational center as they may have a course available. Some years ago a couple of the professors from the U and I took an evening body shop class at a local high school. First session was in a classroom, this old guy sat up front and rambled on about the shop rules, safety, blah blah blah. Very dry, boring, we were all wondering what we got ourselves into. One of the profs with me brought in a fender from his Model A truck. After the lecture, which seemed to go on forever, the gentleman was open to questions. When Gary handed him that fender, it was quite a transformation - just running his fingers over the metal he spouted off things that he could tell about the piece and what work was needed where that were way beyond our talents. And he looked much happier doing that than the boring old lecture. It was a good class. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 16:24:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6904032C for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:24:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C794032C for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:24:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.1.2.130] ([::ffff:10.1.2.130]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,CAMELLIA256-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:23:08 -0800 id 00000000002800AD.0000000052928A5C.000061AA Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:22:38 -0800 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <4D5F868E39F747F0A60EC3D9026595F3@SusieandMarkPC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/24/2013 2:27 PM, Arvid Jedlicka wrote: > I've had this one for a few years and like it ... > > http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200404864_200404864 I have one of those as well, replaced a Black and Decker (Vector) that just magically stopped working one time. The one thing the Vector had, that this one does not and I miss it, is a manually-selectable desulfate cycle. With this one it won't start the desulfate cycle until it tries and fails for a couple hours to charge the battery normally. I know the hard-core battery types laugh at the idea that what these chargers do is really 'desulfating' but it does seem to work, the Vector had recovered 3-4 batteries for me that would not hold a charge in the car including the big group 49 thing that came out of my M5 ~7 years ago and, after two passes through the desulfate cycle on the Vector, has been my jump-start battery ever since. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 17:09:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F3842EFA for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:09:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F2E403DA for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:09:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131125000753.PLGU4590.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:07:53 -0500 Received: from Joanna ([72.209.198.214]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id tc7p1m0064e2Beo01c7s8u; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:07:52 -0500 a=z+JOQeSqIXLCGjBsmWTDRw==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=JZ4RDSdnRLYA:10 a=lPuzfCrOfpq9EpEJGpQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=z+JOQeSqIXLCGjBsmWTDRw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "ElanS4" To: References: <4D5F868E39F747F0A60EC3D9026595F3@SusieandMarkPC> <1385331601.61211.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:07:55 -0500 Thread-Index: AQFB5jlF962OEaVUMyBjHFAHfenHDwFRAGg1AozKAzsCOsYrb5seUaxw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Brian Kemp wrote: > > Mark - I have a 12A Die Hard charger from Sears that has been very reliable. <...> It also has an engine start setting. This > is helpful when a battery is a little too far discharged, but you want to take the car out for a drive. I do about 5 minutes at > the 12A setting then switch to the engine start and crank the engine. I have two kinds of chargers. I have a similar Die Hard charger that I've used for 40+ years. I works good when a battery is dead and needs to be brought up to charge. Or I use it to bring it up enough that one of my BatteryMINDERS will start charging it. Leave that for a few days, and I have a completely charged battery that works better than before. The BatteryMINDERS are used to keep at least two of my cars topped up. One is an AGM that sits outside with the battery being at least 10 years old. The other keeps my garage queen fully charged. It has its OEM lead acid battery that is know to go dead in about 7-10 of sitting because of the alarm drain, etc. If it's going to be parked for more than two days, it goes on the BatteryMINDER. By the way, the BatteryMINDER is pretty much the same as a Battery Tender Jr. (common cables, etc.) except the BatteryMINDER has the "desulfation" mode that actually seems to work. Tim Mullen _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 17:54:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958154281C for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:54:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B68740408 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:54:08 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1385340758; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=SZuY8QzQeE6CYfKGgjKmWDu9rQbK7pFvJJdrO5AgyNlfYfbj52wjjqjLy+0l5EJCJ 8t140eAEX0iO1exTwKHrYfv6p9fvTkJbzIqKxjvCKzDObtpmspV7ZYafx11+u2pZvc q0A6bLyA9PRJU/jeD7LapW7FAvi9ksa/kqPTNHqE= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail11.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.151]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKKFH24ANK4VGS for (sender ); Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail11.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 00:50:24 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 00:50:24 GMT Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] autobody work forum? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I found the same thing here in Columbus, GA.Called the community college and was told they don't allow students to take single courses - I would have enrolled in their auto technology program and their programmed curriculum would hate prevented me from taking the desired auto body & welding courses for several semesters... MRB ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Tim To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] autobody work forum? Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:45:11 -0500 (EST) Thanks Brian. Unfortunately, the program at the local tech school in Madison is an eight hour a day/five days a week thing. There is no option to just take, say, a welding class or a paint class. It sucks. tim On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > Tim - Also check your local public library. That is where I learned > how to rebuild an engine. I read a couple books, mostly about V8s, > but it gave me the extra background to make sense of the Bentley > manual for my TR6. > > If you want a serious education on body work, check with a community > college or vocational center as they may have a course available. > > Brian > > On 11/22/2013 7:47 PM, Steven Trovato wrote: >> Wow. I was watching for an answer to this. I was hoping to find one >> as well. I guess the lack of response is not a very promising sign. >> Let us know if you find something. I did find the yahoo group called >> "autobodyrestoration" but it doesn't seem to have much activity >> anymore. >> >> -Steve Trovato >> strovato@optonline.net >> >> At 03:44 PM 11/18/2013, Tim wrote: >>> Any one know of a good one? One where they are willing to help a >>> newbie >>> learn and not be jerks about it? >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mbarre@juno.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 18:05:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D31342EED for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:05:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C5C40408 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:05:41 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=JZ4RDSdnRLYA:10 a=FqPo86Qf6hx2hHd1xhYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D2/4A-25023-D02A2925; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:04:13 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:04:10 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7pbDxvTS10niiyTYyVnntUMNWxRAADKZNw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I know the hard-core battery types laugh at the idea that what these > chargers do is really 'desulfating' but it does seem to work, FWIW, I just recovered 2 AGM batteries and a 12v gel pack that were badly sulfated, using a very simple home-brew "desulfator". I honestly did not think it would work, but I'm 3 for 3 and working on the 4th as I type. The "desulfator" is just a single diode (half wave rectifier) and an incandescent light bulb, in series. The diode supplies essentially 16ms pulses, while the bulb limits the current. All of the batteries initially went up to around 60 volts (indicating very high internal resistance and severe sulfation), then after a few days dropped to well below 12v. After 3-4 days, I switched to an ordinary unregulated charger for about 10 hours. Haven't done a real load test yet, but after loading one at about 5 amps for about an hour, the voltage was still around 12.8. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 18:17:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3576D42EFA for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:17:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B9C42EED for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:17:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4F224C14F for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by localhost (filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.234]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id UHKpYCSI1YYJ for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-131-180.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.131.180]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 17D7917CCF for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:15:34 -0800 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net What size light bulb and diode did you use? I have a couple of batteries that might work on. On 11/24/2013 5:04 PM, Randall wrote: >> I know the hard-core battery types laugh at the idea that what these >> chargers do is really 'desulfating' but it does seem to work, > FWIW, I just recovered 2 AGM batteries and a 12v gel pack that were badly sulfated, using a very simple home-brew "desulfator". I > honestly did not think it would work, but I'm 3 for 3 and working on the 4th as I type. > > The "desulfator" is just a single diode (half wave rectifier) and an incandescent light bulb, in series. The diode supplies > essentially 16ms pulses, while the bulb limits the current. > > All of the batteries initially went up to around 60 volts (indicating very high internal resistance and severe sulfation), then > after a few days dropped to well below 12v. After 3-4 days, I switched to an ordinary unregulated charger for about 10 hours. > > Haven't done a real load test yet, but after loading one at about 5 amps for about an hour, the voltage was still around 12.8. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 22:58:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A7F40522 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:58:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA7A4044E for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:58:08 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=JZ4RDSdnRLYA:10 a=X50-InBJFWO_4jBQeaIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=tv0glc2bN_8A:10 a=o4jcZgt6KMwA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id CE/FC-25023-696E2925; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 05:56:38 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dave C'" , Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:56:34 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7pe/WJHzS5qqENSN6PIjFiJ05B4AAJXG5g Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > What size light bulb and diode did you use? I have a couple of > batteries that might work on. The diode was a 1N4007, rated 1 amp, 1000 volts. Probably overkill, just what I had handy. The bulb is a 40 watt (110 volt), again just what I happened to have handy. I think the original article called for a 100 watt bulb. 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NOCO Genius G3500 6V/12V 3.5 Amp Smart Battery Charger and Maintainer I've had good luck recharging without overcharging and for maintaining. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LWVEKS/ref=ox_ya_os_product Right now it is about $60 on Amazon. I paid about $50 on a lightening deal a couple years ago. Tomorrow morning they've got a deal on the same brand but a different model. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LX3AXQ/ref=gb1h_img_c-2_6362_3cbba674?pf _rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_s=center-new-2&pf_rd_r=0V5T33ARQTD0056G Z5WK&pf_rd_i=20&pf_rd_p=1673666362 Randy ________________________________ From: Mark Miller To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:01 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Hi. I am in the market for a pretty good, great in not in the budget, 12V battery charger. $50-100 or so. Run of the mill 10A, maybe a lower range as well. I am tired of the HF ones that always seem to fail right when I have a battery that needs it. What say ye, o list of near infinite wisdom? Thanks! Mark Miller _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 08:38:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4A440539 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:38:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7608540531 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:37:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uEQ01m00J1Y3wxoAAFcHxb; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:36:17 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uFcH1m00f2xZMJ48bFcHcE; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:36:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:36:17 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: shop-talk@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1385480177; bh=ql2QBYRlEoAt4PQpINOdIZNawQsVWftGYvqLSIsxYUM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=MtMPzWjuWjQSVNN4cJIBZcTMllg+XGWBuCGzsOgMW9VY/b1ltMD/PTaNSbzOqLKqQ QRqW2THQ/U8I0f2lQQOUsEqRQHxRkK6Vhm9CHmmlN3odIc7dUVkrvTJ4ERqJd0t0G4 7/K8KxWuJrJBFUwZNWzcZZbJRZQFG9ELdKQoQ5QymaXlFbJbXiGl5SBgA1vwoB0vmu 7e2w8t/eE2n/3dN/swN3IdjsFSHXSCjiL8uNKvZhKyjjQBXaM86ItMBgrvjBeSfkjS hyEDn1NTfP/K9yGkRGlpdcuM7pMoJx0sC9chcv5IYB3PVieRfYlBy/annhuvPl1JiW WjOVFJfqXvE4Q== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger and lithium Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just a friendly warning from a battery engineer (not me): Do NOT use a charger with a "de-sulphate" feature on a lithium-ion or lithium-iron battery. "Float" technology is good for them. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 23:02:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FE74044D for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 23:02:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DC1A540407 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:58:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 05:56:34 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.147] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 05:56:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 05:56:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 5452 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2013 05:56:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385531793; bh=bY7NFyLIW6njRv/6beIY1yvBExDmOZvyqDswK04omHc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AGO7ebM1qeqjj8YLeHYf8//a01W93+HrrQQk0PwQ7bWSCxznjExLQItjjKLKAD8aJc5L2g4N+52/irF8zyi/GgSE9r6L0QhCE0DrPDNp1S1SEjT6w0YmYQF3GTn5ZT40ePlWah+/2knwwbnjnKg9L7kQ1vG+4V9ShonEsv+P5YE= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6mV+iFc1Lkx7y5lVFdJCx5pIsg1K/f+LjVlvRjtj3aISUxqZCaQHhKgdy3aMSQmjHmdsQzuQ4j6Kl0hTnDQrwQ+Re/zKYMBk+95xD0OaFv6QMe06RAuY5G1wbeWXL2xXRKYBqxuztQmZLc0sB6jJ0I/ERe0yh9Bm5VUsCYC8rtw=; LNYmvxMTL0Hs5cQamUWD6YiuNuCrkesMGv9uTxwdZ9jSY2vWrHkEW7sHBQXE tHZ1xreSgk.9PNdTLqEXnhb8PXjL9matBR6uLklKDV30OSamxfoxSiCoZ7je JcNbN3o4n_5qzS_EHS7H_KySZcVqfxgR7O.1p9lv5p8FnhWPoJnhmlhV.LEa ex6g90aL68.4FjdfpPVL3wrZLdaMMVSXPt3wp9US.e9x9NVHmxMLt00NArWb 7lemvEZdIu4ChgW7UB.dpES.tQQZY4azFKZDv5dU7rGVk3JBM8LN0G8AyQG5 v1K4aXPVjz2FzlMq_zrOGx8w.RuTDgYUQEBQuaJU8O3jbv6dAAetOPJykVvT maWJMf4ZkA2alLKGYtSF35gyESP4YgNcj.KpwfIm4tlA4a2uNeXV7X69MKPF GuFTNCV_dNPHh9j5Y9upKuXLNwEzJcLkGsziHyflhwaKbxiL_ermEEpf9EFV k2c5DVsX794p59Xot0YEMsgMwjVYhR4OW9X_0JJNcV6aCO76w7qnDf7ef1gY wkBzuOf2zXC4Hd_zpyfio8S8YQ63EKe1heBxAHvVtjl2DuGrMhWOQduMGchn p2Z8HMTP6K3Dmgn5hU.rATh8tXc62e8MwRvoOEPzP8zTx.SX0q9Stk4p308g ripFu0EkXtcWW_AdoDkJhQGiXZUa3gDNYk_8jblkk3h2gC5tqtsozzA-- Received: from [65.70.156.201] by web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:56:33 PST QW1hem9uIGhhcyBhbm90aGVyIG1vZGVsIG9uIHNhbGUgb24gVHVlc2RheSBhdCA4cG0uCgpOT0NPIEdlbml1cyBHNzIwMCA3LjIgQW1wIDEyVi8yNFYgU21hcnQgQmF0dGVyeSBDaGFyZ2VyCgpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmFtYXpvbi5jb20vZ3AvcHJvZHVjdC9CMDA0TFdUSFAyL3JlZj1nYjFoX2ltZ19jLTJfNjM2Ml80NTNjMTFhZD9wZl9yZF9tPUFUVlBES0lLWDBERVImcGZfcmRfdD03MDEmcGZfcmRfcz1jZW50ZXItbmV3LTImcGZfcmRfcj0wQU5DM0ZIQzM0WkVNUjVUNVBYMCZwZl9yZF9pPTIwJnBmX3JkX3A9MTYBMAEBAQE- References: <4D5F868E39F747F0A60EC3D9026595F3@SusieandMarkPC> <1385420232.10746.YahooMailNeo@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 21:56:33 -0800 (PST) From: Rand E To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Amazon has another model on sale on Tuesday at 8pm. NOCO Genius G7200 7.2 Amp 12V/24V Smart Battery Charger http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LWTHP2/ref=gb1h_img_c-2_6362_453c11ad?pf _rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_s=center-new-2&pf_rd_r=0ANC3FHC34ZEMR5T 5PX0&pf_rd_i=20&pf_rd_p=1673666362 ________________________________ From: Rand E To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger I've got one of these. NOCO Genius G3500 6V/12V 3.5 Amp Smart Battery Charger and Maintainer I've had good luck recharging without overcharging and for maintaining. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LWVEKS/ref=ox_ya_os_product Right now it is about $60 on Amazon. I paid about $50 on a lightening deal a couple years ago. Tomorrow morning they've got a deal on the same brand but a different model. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LX3AXQ/ref=gb1h_img_c-2_6362_3cbba674?pf _rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_s=center-new-2&pf_rd_r=0V5T33ARQTD0056G Z5WK&pf_rd_i=20&pf_rd_p=1673666362 Randy From: Mark Miller To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:01 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Hi. I am in the market for a pretty good, great in not in the budget, 12V battery charger. $50-100 or so. Run of the mill 10A, maybe a lower range as well. I am tired of the HF ones that always seem to fail right when I have a battery that needs it. What say ye, o list of near infinite wisdom? Thanks! Mark Miller _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 05:39:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3CF40453 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 05:39:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f47.google.com (mail-oa0-f47.google.com [209.85.219.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BB44043F for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 05:39:09 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id k1so7531394oag.20 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 04:37:29 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qJTiBlRYv+xbRiKDGox786eg9/HpN2A/oPX2Px5JDrk=; b=gKcV631H/DS/ercohovh4tNBCUTZqqyCplaDhxoycFYLjPXIozYYuyG/9IS9vJa6xF M9JX86WeXe2SETdgkuhQqUL5R6bKkImo6TD9q9YelUHYbauzcc1vtmmt80IrA6iyEKH+ gYReKQF2vaGIm7g+9cCNDvT6h/IGZKUUxN6Ht8sqK2JW1/iQwyvyP4kv0ANgGK9OZ5uF uarkEFBxH/iB9d2JWPCFh5L7Bg7pELzQnoNg6beEZqoiWCIJk4EyT49zURcv+2I/kBg3 F9jLu6l1n55Yt8TctNFNSD5f+mzUqYRg1Zw3EquuRcBZi+Bl4csoG0trlwpqYWCm/xj1 P1Dw== ej2mr9686907obb.61.1385555849050; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 04:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.134.231 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 04:37:28 -0800 (PST) References: <4D5F868E39F747F0A60EC3D9026595F3@SusieandMarkPC> <1385420232.10746.YahooMailNeo@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1385531793.91685.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 07:37:28 -0500 From: Doug Braun To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It's interesting seeing all these compact new battery changers that use switching power supplies instead of traditional transformers, I guess that battery chargers has been one of the last categories of electrical products to make this change. Doug On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Rand E wrote: > Amazon has another model on sale on Tuesday at 8pm. > > NOCO Genius G7200 7.2 Amp > 12V/24V Smart Battery Charger > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LWTHP2/ref=gb1h_img_c-2_6362_453c11ad?pf > > _rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_s=center-new-2&pf_rd_r=0ANC3FHC34ZEMR5T > 5PX0&pf_rd_i=20&pf_rd_p=1673666362 > > > > > ________________________________ > From: > Rand E > To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 4:57 PM > Subject: > Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger > > > > I've got one of these. NOCO Genius G3500 > 6V/12V 3.5 Amp Smart Battery Charger and Maintainer I've had good luck > recharging without overcharging and for maintaining. > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LWVEKS/ref=ox_ya_os_product > > Right now > it is about $60 on Amazon. I paid about $50 on a lightening deal a couple > years ago. > > > Tomorrow morning they've got a deal on the same brand but a > different model. > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LX3AXQ/ref=gb1h_img_c-2_6362_3cbba674?pf > > _rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_s=center-new-2&pf_rd_r=0V5T33ARQTD0056G > Z5WK&pf_rd_i=20&pf_rd_p=1673666362 > > > Randy > > > From: Mark Miller > > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Sent: Sunday, > November 24, 2013 2:01 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery charger > > > Hi. I am in > the market for a pretty good, great in not in the budget, 12V > battery charger. > $50-100 or so. Run of the mill 10A, maybe a lower range as > well. I am tired > of the HF ones that always seem to fail right when I have > a battery that needs > it. > What say ye, o list of near infinite wisdom? > > Thanks! > > Mark Miller > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 06:23:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D139B429A2 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 06:23:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D31840453 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 06:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.166] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 13:21:54 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.140] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 13:21:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 13:21:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 94329 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2013 13:21:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385558513; bh=GpAXXJRoU6DpUmMnLO8hm3w54/Tt5NMb6SYe3F0XNds=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EtvQ+M91mIJUb07+zMRZhvQMERNEL5ev3/WKgdpuknKZovA3GbTURw/geyYDSKBe2Y+kQy6mIl1H7+SfFzZXsj+9STJWg2jwh2PWVh6VUsKk4XwV4GZ6KVeVX5vnmiiKHCnwhQrf3IZJbmtgoOtMJVY9MBRTpATbhgqwKpND57s= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XBIu/JizCghOQeOPyHfJ0GkO5+vBcqBbq9GF7He7LkrN0BbcxNjl70gkjTHvPC6udSXYNfs4sZvGLlmGvlqhkMBmKnjML8ZPi9OTDyGnk3dWLQswZC16nWYBTsfrPDrAchEd3BDjnTzojgGQ9eZ/I6HJqq5IBVPJbhUTC6vM5Mw=; DD26br5vNuQbalxtKPNbgrm1h.R5v7nu5Q9KjcGUDHXvRwzBzCXViQBo_XS2 z3R4nsm_l7I7mF894ffl2WRs1Ye_BKjCkDoM6y22Z0Fr4VPzcmkYiigoByh2 kLR9S3WNyv.SvcggyvJ9dk0l8lNJJP_d.g0v.TVCx.WxqpWBKt1RtIjmZoOs wIsY5VWbIeqsVm3fGhHV3.lzHW3NxB.5oZD4Q0lNPc60TzAmWwJaBkRj5_UX Y5LLLtkc.KYD.2A_rn0c7GVCVSwbgkgfaPcRALRCn_69IMQ_X1ydXUkm.AtD LLsZbYSP9HGaQY3xliO0HI1tKLxXUSEg7xi92CQ.6Qb1hDDWUkrovGod3Zhj Ur4e3iKFGROBeEA0Sflo1ivxoT6YtpbxAJv5uKVVj.uGyzGoDsUwfVERKQHc JkwMM5Bfxu7bHtXZyKlmL6Ie9KINywSXbiW_ZgcnhERdZPbWzezkVbuEmpda J7bi04B5DD4E69HPQjXoM6tvqkh01L1z0j_H6VW9jZ_n2MXOp9Cg4vamLAYp vp6aMg2..zI19KOxlv6sNmz61B5XD81iiztZEynXKmXPW2ZePgo.Wion8L.4 xBPXpMze_xSblhTkOrWZXe6nc0KJ4EczmekOEWbXYEvcTqniReKfOlrjn_Wx X8Jd1UM9dpEYgj_I2UK2rNf0BzqJPQJakWMSkW_hCa0GQTLRQO.rBxztZ4so KApAksdkP0Q7e6VVzYw-- Received: from [65.70.156.201] by web184303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 05:21:53 PST U29ycnksIHRoYXQgc2hvdWxkIGJlIFdlZG5lc2RheSBhdCA4cG0uIAoKwqAKQW1hem9uIGhhcyBhbm90aGVyIG1vZGVsIG9uIHNhbGUgCgpOT0NPIEdlbml1cyBHNzIwMCA3LjIgQW1wIDEyVi8yNFYgU21hcnQgQmF0dGVyeSBDaGFyZ2VyCgpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmFtYXpvbi5jb20vZ3AvcHJvZHVjdC9CMDA0TFdUSFAyL3JlZj1nYjFoX2ltZ19jLTJfNjM2Ml80NTNjMTFhZD9wZgpfcmRfbT1BVFZQREtJS1gwREVSJnBmX3JkX3Q9NzAxJnBmX3JkX3M9Y2VudGVyLW5ldy0yJnBmX3JkX3I9MEFOQzNGSEMzNFpFTVIBMAEBAQE- References: <4D5F868E39F747F0A60EC3D9026595F3@SusieandMarkPC> <1385420232.10746.YahooMailNeo@web184704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1385531793.91685.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 05:21:53 -0800 (PST) From: Rand E To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry, that should be Wednesday at 8pm. Amazon has another model on sale NOCO Genius G7200 7.2 Amp 12V/24V Smart Battery Charger http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004LWTHP2/ref=gb1h_img_c-2_6362_453c11ad?pf _rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_s=center-new-2&pf_rd_r=0ANC3FHC34ZEMR5T 5PX0&pf_rd_i=20&pf_rd_p=1673666362 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 29 20:37:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D5642FA5 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:37:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4CF40441 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:37:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-211-60.morrisbb.com [173.246.211.60] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rAU3ZBJ2018706 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:35:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wc5813@gmail.com) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:35:06 -0500 From: w User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HF Predator engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > and last year replaced it with a Predator.. it was a perfect bolt up > replacement . It's arund 6 hp (although they go by displacement now) and it >.... > good luck with the HF engines, I don't think you'll be disappointed Hey Guys, Month old thread but was wondering about the Harbor freight small engines myself. I have an old (probably late 80's) Sears / MTD chipper-shredder with a Tecumseh 5hp engine that's not worth saving. Would one of these H.F. Predator things be a bolt-in replacement? http://tinyurl.com/pvk8ftk They have two "6.5 HP (212cc) OHV Horizontal Shaft Gas Engines" for $100, looks like one has CARB cert'. Got the manual on one and it has mounting dimensions, but I haven't torn mine down to measure how close it is. I realize that's a vague question, but thought maybe it was one of those things standard acress many manufacturers. -Thanks, Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 29 21:16:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C710A42F8A for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:16:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250C840436 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:15:56 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Jz2IQD9QOQHksGA6RbIvwvB14vNYWTn3N0gbzuldzbW+5/uDZanZbX6sMg8tfDNy; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.13.170] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VmbwQ-0001v9-KP; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:14:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:13:38 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: w , Shop Talk List References: <52995CEA.7020605@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HF Predator engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Please include the list on any replies. I have a 1994 Sears chipper-shredder with a 5hp B&S industrial plus engine from a yard sale that was left with old gas for a long time. I replaced the fuel lines and rebuilt the carb, including replacing the inlet valve/seat and now it idles, but does not run well without the choke. I have brand new fuel I'm going to try this weekend as a final option, since I'm using California gas and the existing gas is about 6 months old. I'm interested in the same option. I'm trying to save the B&S as it has parts available, but if I have to do much more to the engine, it might be worth switching to the HF Predator for $100 and getting a little extra horsepower. As near as I can tell, my chipper has the same bits other than the engine as an 8hp model, so I'm not too concerned about anything being overloaded. One thing I noticed about the Predator I looked at in the store was that it didn't have a fuel disconnect. Brian with lots of trimming to do On 11/29/2013 7:35 PM, w wrote: >> and last year replaced it with a Predator.. it was a perfect bolt up >> replacement . It's arund 6 hp (although they go by displacement now) >> and it >> .... >> good luck with the HF engines, I don't think you'll be disappointed > > Hey Guys, Month old thread but was wondering about the Harbor freight > small engines myself. > > I have an old (probably late 80's) Sears / MTD chipper-shredder with a > Tecumseh 5hp engine that's not worth saving. > > Would one of these H.F. Predator things be a bolt-in replacement? > http://tinyurl.com/pvk8ftk > They have two "6.5 HP (212cc) OHV Horizontal Shaft Gas Engines" for > $100, looks like one has CARB cert'. Got the manual on one and it has > mounting dimensions, but I haven't torn mine down to measure how close > it is. > > I realize that's a vague question, but thought maybe it was one of > those things standard acress many manufacturers. > > -Thanks, Wayne > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 29 21:49:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB2E42F73 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:49:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5969403FE for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:49:51 -0700 (MST) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=cRnZ_Ue0FNEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=9XE8mMDfVQwA:10 a=Nvx9QksId_ceK28raxIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 53/C0-09582-DFD69925; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 04:47:57 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Brian Kemp'" , "'Shop Talk List'" Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:47:57 -0800 Thread-Index: Ac7tgqPNV5trmmTbQJOxEJ6zTLSo1gABGpGA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HF Predator engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I replaced the > fuel lines > and rebuilt the carb, including replacing the inlet > valve/seat and now > it idles, but does not run well without the choke. Did you actually poke something through all the passages, or just soak them in cleaner? Last time I had that problem (a vertical shaft mower that had been left full of fuel), the main jet had some kind of hard deposit that none of my solvents would touch. I had to literally chip it out with a dental pick. Ran fine after that. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 29 22:32:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B514342FA3 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:32:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50150403FE for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:32:13 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=I+toI5O+umr1FR7qyJ9i+7+9F4RdEDjbvMKiNaIrFrkAej9WGWRiOwT7QRhUVzhJ; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.13.170] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Vmd8E-0006KH-Jr; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:30:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:29:58 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: Randall , 'Shop Talk List' References: <53.C0.09582.DFD69925@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HF Predator engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Randall, I sprayed carb cleaner on everything, used an acid brush, a pipe cleaner, or the wire from a twist tie for the little passages. I then again sprayed the carb cleaner and it came out the other ends of the various passages. While things were gummed up, I did not find any really hard deposits that the carb cleaner couldn't soften, so I expect I have everything. I actually rebuilt it 1.5 times because the first time I didn't take apart the float to remove the inlet valve seat. It his some crud and was swollen, so I had to replace it then the engine started and ran. The idle mixture valve seems set right and is the same number of turns out as the demo videos on youtube and there is not much to mess up. The nice thing about this style carb is that it is very simple. I hope some fresh gas will make the difference. Brian On 11/29/2013 8:47 PM, Randall wrote: > > >> I replaced the >> fuel lines >> and rebuilt the carb, including replacing the inlet >> valve/seat and now >> it idles, but does not run well without the choke. > Did you actually poke something through all the passages, or just soak them in cleaner? Last time I had that problem (a vertical > shaft mower that had been left full of fuel), the main jet had some kind of hard deposit that none of my solvents would touch. I > had to literally chip it out with a dental pick. Ran fine after that. > > Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 09:01:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7713642FF0 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:01:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail14c40.carrierzone.com (mail67c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AA942FC7 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:01:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-174-49-34-41.hsd1.tn.comcast.net [174.49.34.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail14c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id rAUFxAxT019362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 15:59:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:59:22 -0600 From: Mark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: Shop Talk List References: <52995CEA.7020605@gmail.com> <529965F2.6090708@earthlink.net> reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HF Predator engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Did you replace the rubber vacuum operated "fuel pump", I spent weeks trying to get one to run for lack of a $3 rubber part. Look at a Briggs manual and you will find it as part of the carb. Mark Nashville On 11/29/2013 10:13 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > Please include the list on any replies. I have a 1994 Sears > chipper-shredder with a 5hp B&S industrial plus engine from a yard > sale that was left with old gas for a long time. I replaced the fuel > lines and rebuilt the carb, including replacing the inlet valve/seat > and now it idles, but does not run well without the choke. I have > brand new fuel I'm going to try this weekend as a final option, since > I'm using California gas and the existing gas is about 6 months old. > > I'm interested in the same option. I'm trying to save the B&S as it > has parts available, but if I have to do much more to the engine, it > might be worth switching to the HF Predator for $100 and getting a > little extra horsepower. As near as I can tell, my chipper has the > same bits other than the engine as an 8hp model, so I'm not too > concerned about anything being overloaded. > > One thing I noticed about the Predator I looked at in the store was > that it didn't have a fuel disconnect. > > Brian with lots of trimming to do > > > On 11/29/2013 7:35 PM, w wrote: >>> and last year replaced it with a Predator.. it was a perfect bolt up >>> replacement . It's arund 6 hp (although they go by displacement >>> now) and it >>> .... >>> good luck with the HF engines, I don't think you'll be disappointed >> >> Hey Guys, Month old thread but was wondering about the Harbor freight >> small engines myself. >> >> I have an old (probably late 80's) Sears / MTD chipper-shredder with >> a Tecumseh 5hp engine that's not worth saving. >> >> Would one of these H.F. Predator things be a bolt-in replacement? >> http://tinyurl.com/pvk8ftk >> They have two "6.5 HP (212cc) OHV Horizontal Shaft Gas Engines" for >> $100, looks like one has CARB cert'. Got the manual on one and it has >> mounting dimensions, but I haven't torn mine down to measure how >> close it is. >> >> I realize that's a vague question, but thought maybe it was one of >> those things standard acress many manufacturers. >> >> -Thanks, Wayne >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 09:49:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B4342FF2 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:49:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F3B4742FE7 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:49:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.157] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2013 16:47:41 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.129] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2013 16:47:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2013 16:47:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 84137 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2013 16:47:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385830060; bh=TByGNfNQz/Tv8LaSZ/GAZE4VJ6esbs8p13geT9kHcm8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IkMQNqxqMR5igIvcjGWlHTRG/odSWZo8TRl6wnntdKMwOmQ1qu9+2xo4hxmKqnU8EZgrsjK7i3g1tDwS/IUnaG7k8OCRliMCY9x0JFM0O+LghrpwLSm7wAXlYv/KIvqjhClgRPLXCKSg/j1mgZDzSCAm4t5M6pI2ZI2clXO66iQ= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gHj69QnkyZD8KXhh6g0CrSznGB8wXqTJ7statqLriPy+ac2nsqS7WJroiATDzYRva0hisz7RfpZiJpRI+ddGIiB4HUY2m8/gduU1Wsw4yNIbB4YwuWVdawXF8HdP3ewbAvCk0dK+AcJR8625AbxSbBiFGn/67YMpYgW6vdjXvV8=; ANg3s9Y68FesVflOj3z8RP9AyjcmFdgSA3mcVWyM5d44a6fjHiBo_xedLLHa Evm4R8v7A1XYCbXqqPLOdLpirUM3mdlHep0S5gt8FU9Wck_YkJRIutTAYQ9X WJDe_Hph12JJg2BwZ_zGcWkJBvGi5o6f3mG5UB6Ig8YrV.Jt8tTWBSqmjaEZ BbMLBhA.3hpTyTp7LEEg.b7p1YyW1JPIglIDH4hf3zoG.wJgsjTpHBTIt4zM qj._xYrNq3xtmk0FAUj8vKsRH30nedUEbinlN1RIt5z4uYtfXNFXjY7t7X0g 8uhpqPxWL5M6x_R3MfoLDWK3ohmJ1wzVd1P.en8P7KbCKF1GKhV4oExB_in1 QYFotM9_1AbJbrP2nv1uPtMiA39RbrkOQBF3XUZpusxtJpfiyM8vbzTpJi0C YteNHhepOv6nt4Jtu_.._k5mTnyuIUausVl3mu5kH6FhDn6qeKrTmIepYbe6 rQUJp6pQ2KA5yKS3IJGonOHC1aqeQ0wpSRewgKoYB6wkfnjOd1czTxYJe53U Y2NXeM8FKueRUlFzZO9ARq.ZnLG2LK6gnIOdBldeJGBWF9u.4v.wc6HF88qh yzUXEEhlhTbj3z6Rc2FcKjoCc2txNUIb4C411lSVD1EIucRhgjkQT_AxFS20 hB2fzVUflbAbm3OV15_kMg64Tg2Vgh.MjQAlCITev5eOMPKA.4SiW8TSybSp 2Q.gUzPhUEJxf.Ougks2OMWxl8Z2SxeBUBiBS4.y532jf6xrx9CAl_eLWIp. RkqaybWEJ4lEMkIZCFQ-- Received: from [99.16.53.133] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:47:40 PST R3V5cywKCkkga25vdyB0aGF0IEImUyBjYXJicyBhcmUgdmVyeSBzaW1wbGUgZGV2aWNlcyBhbmQgc2hvdWxkIGJlIGVhc3kgdG8gcmVwYWlyLCBidXQgaG93IG11Y2ggY291bGQgYSByZXBsYWNlbWVudCBjYXJiIGNvc3QgaW4gY29tcGFyaXNvbiB0byByZXBsYWNpbmcgdGhlIGVuZ2luZT8gwqBIZXJlIGlzIGEgbmV3IG9uZSBmb3IgJDI1IChwcm9iYWJseSBub3QgdGhlIG9uZSB5b3UgbmVlZCwgYnV0IGl0IGdpdmVzIGFuIGlkZWEpOgoKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5lYmF5LmNvbS9pdG0vbGlrZS8yMzA5NjEwNzk3MDQBMAEBAQE- References: <52995CEA.7020605@gmail.com> <529965F2.6090708@earthlink.net> <529A0B5A.1020408@nashvilletn.org> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:47:40 -0800 (PST) From: old dirtbeard To: Mark , Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HF Predator engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Guys, I know that B&S carbs are very simple devices and should be easy to repair, but how much could a replacement carb cost in comparison to replacing the engine? Here is a new one for $25 (probably not the one you need, but it gives an idea): http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/230961079704?lpid=82 With the advent of synthetic oil, it is very hard to wear out one of these engines if the oil is changed yearly and the air filter is in place and tight. It also would be nice to have a complete, new carb on hand for comparison. It probably also would be fitted with seals that are designed for alcohol laden gasoline. In the spirit of "shop talk,"I think I first might try putting in a gas shut-off valve and a new carb. best, doug ________________ '72 BSA B50SS '74 Moto Guzzi 850T '01 HD XHL 883 '03 GMC Cargo Van '07 Aprilia SXV 550 '13 Aprilia Tuono V4R ________________________________ From: Mark To: Shop Talk List Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HF Predator engines Did you replace the rubber vacuum operated "fuel pump", I spent weeks trying to get one to run for lack of a $3 rubber part. Look at a Briggs manual and you will find it as part of the carb. Mark Nashville On 11/29/2013 10:13 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > Please include the list on any replies. I have a 1994 Sears chipper-shredder with a 5hp B&S industrial plus engine from a yard sale that was left with old gas for a long time. I replaced the fuel lines and rebuilt the carb, including replacing the inlet valve/seat and now it idles, but does not run well without the choke. I have brand new fuel I'm going to try this weekend as a final option, since I'm using California gas and the existing gas is about 6 months old. > > I'm interested in the same option. I'm trying to save the B&S as it has parts available, but if I have to do much more to the engine, it might be worth switching to the HF Predator for $100 and getting a little extra horsepower. As near as I can tell, my chipper has the same bits other than the engine as an 8hp model, so I'm not too concerned about anything being overloaded. > > One thing I noticed about the Predator I looked at in the store was that it didn't have a fuel disconnect. > > Brian with lots of trimming to do > > > On 11/29/2013 7:35 PM, w wrote: >>> and last year replaced it with a Predator.. it was a perfect bolt up >>> replacement . It's arund 6 hp (although they go by displacement now) and it >>> .... >>> good luck with the HF engines, I don't think you'll be disappointed >> >> Hey Guys, Month old thread but was wondering about the Harbor freight small engines myself. >> >> I have an old (probably late 80's) Sears / MTD chipper-shredder with a Tecumseh 5hp engine that's not worth saving. >> >> Would one of these H.F. Predator things be a bolt-in replacement? >> http://tinyurl.com/pvk8ftk >> They have two "6.5 HP (212cc) OHV Horizontal Shaft Gas Engines" for $100, looks like one has CARB cert'. Got the manual on one and it has mounting dimensions, but I haven't torn mine down to measure how close it is. >> >> I realize that's a vague question, but thought maybe it was one of those things standard acress many manufacturers. >> >> -Thanks, Wayne >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 11:33:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFE142FE6 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:33:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5FA42FC0 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:32:53 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=YI64+EeodSQdGhzX0k6xsoKRtsDAWp2cFrWi5tvYSIG6YP5ZlaHkK2TKibI9an1p; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.13.170] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VmpJg-0006Ux-EO; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:30:56 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:30:37 -0800 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: old dirtbeard , Shop Talk List References: <52995CEA.7020605@gmail.com> <529965F2.6090708@earthlink.net> <529A0B5A.1020408@nashvilletn.org> <1385830060.16108.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HF Predator engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Doug - Thanks for the reference. Unfortunately my carb, B&S 495652 is discontinued, and the best price so far is $46 plus shipping. There may be a replacement, but http://www.briggsandstratton.com doesn't even recognize their own part number. It has been thoroughly cleaned, but the gas was old and is the special California formulation that makes for lower emissions (and less energy content). I have new gas to try, but I also have kids with lots of activities and a job that gets in the way. It had a shutoff valve that had the rubber all dissolved - plugged till I used carb cleaner, then free flowing. I have a replacement for $4 to install. Brian On 11/30/2013 8:47 AM, old dirtbeard wrote: > Guys, > > I know that B&S carbs are very simple devices and should be easy to > repair, but how much could a replacement carb cost in comparison to replacing > the engine? Here is a new one for $25 (probably not the one you need, but it > gives an idea): > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/230961079704?lpid=82 > > > With the > advent of synthetic oil, it is very hard to wear out one of these engines if > the oil is changed yearly and the air filter is in place and tight. > > It also > would be nice to have a complete, new carb on hand for comparison. It > probably also would be fitted with seals that are designed for alcohol laden > gasoline. In the spirit of "shop talk,"I think I first might try putting in a > gas shut-off valve and a new carb. > > best, > > doug > ________________ > '72 BSA > B50SS > '74 Moto Guzzi 850T > > '01 HD XHL 883 > '03 GMC Cargo Van > '07 Aprilia SXV > 550 > '13 Aprilia Tuono V4R _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive