From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 3 06:58:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB456403EF for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 06:58:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F83403B9 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 06:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20131003125704.QSNM10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:57:04 -0400 Received: from wt09 ([209.225.8.59]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id Ycx31m0031GRMdM05cx4d6; Thu, 03 Oct 2013 08:57:04 -0400 a=rMnFlYzSR02+o+2/U82Jnw==:17 a=FKxt3M_0fucA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=NpUuYngY-qMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=pdmvDr12CzwA:10 a=SpP9Nr1y0KzSU_c7_ykA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9Hz-WdWBhe8A:10 a=FqWqzrPJByIA:10 a=fTAmA5cEw4vMyxVunTAA:9 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Received: from [165.189.255.34] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:57:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:57:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] powder coating two piece wheels Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have two sets of two piece EMPIs in my SHOP. Both are rough enough that they need work, both sanding and painting or, preferably, powder coated. What I am wondering is if there are any dangers to the two parts rims from the cooking process? Or will the shop doing the work know if and about any issues and be able to deal with it? Thanks! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 3 08:35:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685324040E for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from webmail.cci-ir.com (webmail.cci-ir.com [173.164.21.58]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083CB403F6 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BNAVEX01.cci-ir.com ([fe80::412a:4b84:74d2:452d]) by BNAVEX01.cci-ir.com ([fe80::412a:4b84:74d2:452d%12]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:33:37 -0500 From: Gil Fuqua To: Shop Talk Thread-Topic: Compressor Leak & Repair Thread-Index: AQHOwEWLiPZw1MauzEmxUltF71tc1Q== Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 14:33:36 +0000 References: <6e53d780.7c21.1417e6499d6.Webtop.49@charter.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [192.168.100.222] Subject: [Shop-talk] Compressor Leak & Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 5hp industrial compressor with an 80 gallon tank that developed a pinhole leak on the bottom (horizontal leak). The tank has an automatic drain that cycles each time the compressor comes on; however, I don't use it much and residual moisture has probably rusted through on the bottom. I thought about welding a plate across the entire bottom since I suspect other leaks will appear over time. I would like to keep it if possible since the compressor is still good. Anyone have any success in repairing a compressor tank? Gil Nashville _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 3 08:41:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF39540449 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:41:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.177.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB32740359 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.63] by nm16.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2013 14:38:40 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.68] by tm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2013 14:38:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp230.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2013 14:38:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1380811120; bh=IAGq/cJD0dJChSuz28+3HsY+WyXVXsKa921niTXpix0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:Message-ID:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Reply-To:X-Priority:References:In-Reply-To:Sensitivity:Importance:Subject:To:From:Date:Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=yfcRMMqkQygDdcKiuObuRlklA/jsf5H53vgBSnGwxle0akUWFWlNHJB385B5fOi7cvN53J5BJOPlQFgeoz7o7aUUprnVJ5/0hL19Fcy9v3MCJxNgumurHYAmQIV0rmNfU+a6MoIrkZ8u9yGp5xsHE8AwVARTnoVb9ck/YH/3GjM= mv6dTpPhBzmMsSkeVvoY4.eIyV5KxVcSe2Drb.RKl5wFIxWJOq69bs5boIkv gB7lYowtOrBpGrDBumkhqicXgCK2YDvS_49g7hLKdBTbE9cyRJ4VIyR3.5Gk lcTpaEvsqbtxDZEdbn.tFD5OZQuwKYvvOPl7jOsTlPSIjICMed2rh_8lQrEK 7rn3jtZHg1KT2K7nzaU2LttBNqn6lgwL4727O_lmIVTbKvjyfa8W2Y7nQ8Ng 1TtttjsKEdbymS0dXHWjdx_a70O5NcqiVtgz8ldlIxG_KKmxRigzjjlgB76d VX91a1_4pEoDGZdy5Wz.pejAxxXhaBvvN25CgjMBL4cPWzU839WyWChLJABk ffjPvMPewd9j7dFRw2jy4K5L60P4fo6BxDNjpqL4Shu4XUK6Hb3OsalAbHqP O6E8xbsLxVbuBTUNEHBCex_Oh43DKVWvSJKLkcMuWRhrwOMNPs17lS8uEO8V 5gmv5ldapiqSTyRwCWyNhVDgWjraN4.V_E2JWNb39ZOW4WTBjIn2Q6YgvKR5 4jAYMsheLDYY2fHogbMxvfrq6npdDT7J98s.cA.U5U7QZYRG0rlw_Ww-- with ) by smtp230.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Oct 2013 14:38:40 +0000 UTC References: <6e53d780.7c21.1417e6499d6.Webtop.49@charter.net> <7F60FBB4505509419A67E9116F2BBFFE8B0673C5@BNAVEX01.cci-ir.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Gil Fuqua" ,"Shop Talk" From: "old dirtbeard" Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 14:38:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Compressor Leak & Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Gill, It does not take much to fix it. Just a sheet metal screw (might want to frill the hole to size) with a dollop of gasket sealer ought to keep it sealed for a very long time. Best, Doug (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Gil Fuqua Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 14:33:36 To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Compressor Leak & Repair I have a 5hp industrial compressor with an 80 gallon tank that developed a pinhole leak on the bottom (horizontal leak). The tank has an automatic drain that cycles each time the compressor comes on; however, I don't use it much and residual moisture has probably rusted through on the bottom. I thought about welding a plate across the entire bottom since I suspect other leaks will appear over time. I would like to keep it if possible since the compressor is still good. Anyone have any success in repairing a compressor tank? Gil Nashville _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 3 09:06:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B596840418 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DF2403E6 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:06:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2013 15:04:45 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.198] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2013 15:04:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp207.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2013 15:04:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1380812685; bh=O0swNoyDJglwz8YPu5WjotihJFCkwii17as5zRM9YTU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=x3W1IqBc9vCnF8jHJXL8hn1ACLvJ54B1ii7qIuciUHooAOgBt+CcEFXdoOmQJ5B0FRGHVLzlMKp7Gck3sFG14x+yngKo8RYI7+tTnm/YyohcSGMeI9ieHgmHn89FBaWFqgIGyuTwyBqbP32ZKh5DuANmBQ/Je/BSowFKuqJNwKA= FRc3eQMb_5L1mbgctuG8F.5irtl7aQD3mOoh1GPWAiiIzkuZmc0bHOvmUjNJ BqtJ33YhLtmpyYxjeMzb53QHbt.ME1brYQ0kQRzWgHw3zq2WWKbryVzgA9Gh Oy6jijefQvrNKmqN_fZkW6G4kE4rEVgDtrTsWrPjgx7L_cK9KJj7Xb2.U7k6 axXTbqxYxOJ.kai7Bz4JNmX94.90IIFJuthGBzNVGWMgN0_LMnBSE_VSzO7T 79je0DG08MqlcUxqz8ITlXmyuYxeib89i7UPeoYjtYax_EfCr5QMcMTv0Ouh sIlYcvpVurOnOu7Z5wd5i8PWZr.pkk4n0vWcZEhMrjd4V5lAxs3DfXV2cEEa kfEJh8hz68X9cdwUE1HpgWYZSARM532mthCpR0.zZrr1_QI0qFEghG58dwC6 eRRXGUUItsqKWR2tczwVw9WDnwsKj_hNgORQ09VwmXBJOBQMARFrKXulVhl9 74onnsrQ.W8PCFVZzudJT9oOBP5CoEK2BZq8uiDA9nsHlZ33X4ly9oqIrpTl pG72.81CqaMWMNjkOLrZ2HEI28Cs1M8VftYlTzC8kcRQOGgPcc_FQrx4VwBt LmJ6GJmQi with ) by smtp207.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Oct 2013 08:04:45 -0700 PDT References: <6e53d780.7c21.1417e6499d6.Webtop.49@charter.net> <7F60FBB4505509419A67E9116F2BBFFE8B0673C5@BNAVEX01.cci-ir.com> From: Jim Juhas Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 11:04:39 -0400 To: Gil Fuqua Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Compressor Leak & Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I set out to do exactly what you are describing. After cutting into the tank to assess how far the damage propagated out, I found that all I needed was a very small patch. It has been working fine. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Gil Fuqua wrote: > I have a 5hp industrial compressor with an 80 gallon tank that developed a > pinhole leak on the bottom (horizontal leak). The tank has an automatic drain > that cycles each time the compressor comes on; however, I don't use it much > and residual moisture has probably rusted through on the bottom. > > I thought about welding a plate across the entire bottom since I suspect other > leaks will appear over time. I would like to keep it if possible since the > compressor is still good. > > Anyone have any success in repairing a compressor tank? > > Gil > Nashville > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas@snet.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 3 22:17:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EF940530 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 22:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F7D40449 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 22:17:33 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=-Bwb8ZVODb8A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=7Lr4tHXegJIA:10 a=ehedXadViA98EDuJElIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55057] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 41/75-22463-5014E425; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 04:16:06 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 21:16:10 -0700 Thread-Index: AQHOwEWLiPZw1MauzEmxUltF71tc1ZnjDjOw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Compressor Leak & Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Anyone have any success in repairing a compressor tank? I tried with my little 20 gallon one, but with only limited success. In retrospect, I think the problem is that the tank flexes a bit every time the pressure changes, and the area weakened with rust will either flex more where you don't reinforce it, or less where you do. So you are pretty much guaranteed to eventually get a crack right next to your repair. After the third time, I gave up. Found a much better compressor (80 gallon, two stage, etc) for $500 on Craigslist and gave the old one away. There is also the safety aspect; there is a lot of energy stored in that tank and a tank failure has the potential for turning into a shrapnel bomb. I used brazing for the repairs, in hopes of not creating a heat-affected zone. The braze seemed to hold fine, the new leaks were always next to the braze rather than through it. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 10 22:00:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C4142F76 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:00:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAFD40066 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 21:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bdfh1m0021afHeLAAexgef; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 02:57:40 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bexg1m0062yr1eL8dexglG; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 02:57:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 02:57:40 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: shop-talk@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1381460260; bh=DF4aI8dURwdmWd8yTd+/0YRhY/Zf5zrbseEAyS8xAdE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Aw236ORsGsyFmZxwZWl9MshZqJM6LdTZ98f4MNMG1pi1RGdqleSXzVkKgYe3kD92U XbNmSnKvYiaZjWvbXuV2PYfQXhgOWvVAO9bQXNPshuydnAQTN6LV3Kh5dTi40Jlx8d VcqejbSGVjEHanowbye5gx62OsnCYw2RECVK8yav0IKnZobe7yd7k9/FrBO02ZivJQ 2h9SEfMEtgdQvUlLgHlIzxpuq7IUzsIGEdslX7JVS9od4xYJyUzTmV/2XJSy6mxr5f LBTB4NVgF97Cr9GQ72fBCV0neLrgBaXMAn2hwZ4VI9ZExJIzf7OV3kfww70d9qTAOH ewdUxI5Tb9vEw== Subject: [Shop-talk] OBD II location on Chev Suburban? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 2004 Chevrolet Suburban K2500. Where is the OBDII port? Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 10 22:26:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB8E42F36 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:26:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5F142EEF for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 21:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bfBS1m0070b6N64ADfBn9D; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 03:11:47 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bfBn1m00R2yr1eL8PfBn6B; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 03:11:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 03:11:47 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: shop-talk@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1381461107; bh=boLTVHh4EqyOdZKvSEAAbh3glQDsDit6czn9P1w63cM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=TqnEjL8/mMBofizzULtHIzyE1SkLkFc3P4UOe8GyGudCe5i0xe0oX6uhGa811CXyB PI8p054H5GwHK/OgErtAnuaey5Qdx+wcAA83mrOxMVUmFm+AwTMYq98aLLL4Qc0mh4 DaTuO00Lnju+GS4n0p5/LgLUI7LxrQCQNcLlvkVF4C4OQdl8TB637WnusDAW6C0yeH RLzeuuu9br1DsMsm5AoDYUfmzxekEceT0LeFNyAygLJweP+6l5fM7oymUWvsY/AOJu cSlvaV5vVa6oTvnJl2zJgv4pgIiTosFPFhOZU5n5FJdwJ5BJkJRHk2Zy3bbBvINH1U RpD4f33jCi4dA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OBD II location on Hyundai Veracruz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My daughter has a Hyundai Veracruz. Does anyone know where to look for the OBD II port? Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 10 23:06:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D3542F19 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 23:06:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B93E42F16 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e6b78.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.107.120]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MUH00GC9KZH22K0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 00:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 00:09:21 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: pethier@comcast.net, shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <41.75.22463.5014E425@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OBD II location on Chev Suburban? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 2005 K1500 Suburban, and mine is just under the dash, left of the steering wheel. If I leave my reader in and go to put on the parking brake, I usually hit the reader with my foot and almost break it. If that's where yours is, try not to do that! -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 10:57 PM 10/10/2013, pethier@comcast.net wrote: >I have a 2004 Chevrolet Suburban K2500. >Where is the OBDII port? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 10 23:12:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B888142FC4 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 23:12:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from gateway05.websitewelcome.com (gateway05.websitewelcome.com [67.18.52.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1C042F1A for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway05.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 067E9997C3EC6; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 23:38:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com (gator3187.hostgator.com [198.57.247.151]) by gateway05.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5791997C3E8A for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 23:38:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leexray by gator3187.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VUUUf-0003zc-Hn; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 23:38:29 -0500 Received: from 99.101.202.162 ([99.101.202.162]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by www.automate-it.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 23:38:29 -0500 References: <824679740.1984104.1381460260255.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 23:38:29 -0500 From: "Lee Daniels" To: pethier@comcast.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OBD II location on Chev Suburban? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Put in the info here and it shows up: http://www.carmd.com/70.6/Article/FIND-MY-CAR%27S-CONNECTOR Pretty cool. Lee > I have a 2004 Chevrolet Suburban K2500. > Where is the OBDII port? > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 10 23:34:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE30B42EF2 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 23:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5B940074 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:42:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6C8A1759 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:42:28 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:42:27 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <2049533596.1984310.1381461107484.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OBD II location on Hyundai Veracruz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Start looking on the left side of the steering column just below the bottom edge of the dash. That's the standard location. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 07:41:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB51A42EFA for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:41:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208A840525 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bpHh1m00B1zF43QADpfAnF; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:39:10 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bpf91m00J2yr1eL8kpf990; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:39:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:39:09 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Lee Daniels s=q20121106; t=1381498750; bh=3Ha4IvIJkKlXxjVbo/yQQijzksiHzS4LGhLAkk3V9ws=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=W7sRVDoK0aR2at1d32iApsgVNniFdY+d/a1E7i6L2maTo/w9ks1ZUzu2VhY7cJ5YS qDrwS0ClPUr9Q1N+zLPCbwK623zFspNAVH8mqknbnWr3DBNfRjXrCU9HpsLb1eXhg9 V7fFTwqYeh+s4IegAgUioi1E4lqVCy0hhu5mg0Gne/s1FgcbcCNPW1E0re2kk/5BHw w52arAAE5W4usmvigrO7K9z5i3RnlpfrNfPK1+cgqLwKuc+9M6pw8KY5UBhmN1p1Ms hQIcqKQvpPPEWBvzaQj0ioLpxh+o0udp9I+wwYKevyepjORvbFMMQjW50DUb57n2kE 228cBe94mvuIQ== Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OBD II location on Chev Suburban? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That's really great, Lee! It agrees with Steven's report, and even has a picture. I have looked up my daughter's Vericruze on already. It does not have a listing for my Elise, but I know it is at Position 8. I sent a note to CarMD telling them that. Thanks to everyone! Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee Daniels" > To: pethier@comcast.net > Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:38:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OBD II location on Chev Suburban? > Put in the info here and it shows up: > http://www.carmd.com/70.6/Article/FIND-MY-CAR%27S-CONNECTOR > > Pretty cool. > > Lee > > > I have a 2004 Chevrolet Suburban K2500. > > Where is the OBDII port? > > > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 07:42:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A49242EFC for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:42:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EA440525 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bpfk1m00h1bwxycA4ph3NL; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:41:03 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bpgx1m00H2xZMJ48epgxaZ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:41:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:40:57 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Mark J Bradakis s=q20121106; t=1381498863; bh=D0y1huBbODQbfMXIO/ObAc3GoFGOaw7pdt8N3LjzvlA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=GVNkmh4vZOgtZRkMhafQzrc2a6BLSvDbYj5RL5qwNp3Sx3R46QVxjDcpP7iV4O/Gm mjKQMZCwUjU3o+zzVnhC1qXmC9y2EWtho0DTHpigRMmgLD395cx3DQpNhGPUsCYHGd /txZhdEgJqOMBWA+lmXbrNnwx9i80SGzkFTC58eXFfzi7NnsZnqrU0YTAmis9uOgKJ jWbehp8MXJ2pHAfaeIOCLW0cdMPrIHrQmFx+DAzTQykVapmb7/ic/M+1gPGMh/Hf6S 04lR1rIRdEAdXDilo5tVO4BHQYsv2GE0aulJRPPVq31uY1p51+MFOB1f7tURmAQQUd 2yqzklIuMMsSg== Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OBD II location on Hyundai Veracruz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Mark. I found it at http://www.carmd.com/70.6/Article/FIND-MY-CAR%27S-CONNECTOR Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark J Bradakis" > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:42:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OBD II location on Hyundai Veracruz > Start looking on the left side of the steering column just below the > bottom edge of the dash. > That's the standard location. > > mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 14:22:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B0842F21 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.185.185]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CE5429B9 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.7.68.55]) by nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MUI00LG5SXDROA0@nk11p10mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:00:51 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-10-11_07:2013-10-11,2013-10-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1310110089 From: Robert nogueira Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:00:53 -0500 To: Shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Long term storage of a transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've got a spare transmission (manual) which was recently rebuilt that I will be hopefully .storing for a long time. The Manual calls for the use of non detergent 30 Weight motor oil I'm worried that over time the oil will all settle at the bottom of the case and the gear teeth might suffer corrosion. Any good tips for long term storage of a transmission? Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 14:33:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1020A42F76 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:33:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f43.google.com (mail-pa0-f43.google.com [209.85.220.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58FE42EF6 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:33:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hz1so4906842pad.2 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:32:59 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=EhcpRyZfmdwOmew+xufCeg5iHwVasvC+sJeI04YWBaY=; b=P01ssm1urARRmOyqa0QKfn/SCmwmw+11dxWqGmkfCeDUZV3YWTwEIxDhTW8FqkI7rW lmtz6OXKtD3t88Kv/x2n2W/Gdki+MMT1hCS7TdRzB2AmkHRcjYa2FDf4tLnJCeDP7pxC vtlsndasCEipOG4jytpJJjBLh2Epw6HiWNRtNK30AS9RiJLH+X+vPYB11dc+9zGls4a4 fjipIUtqhHl5aRzbcdQZaFZxGZt6VgNlVtJekgCbwKT/Qby8V7m5J/S3mvgxI5I+/3Vf 3nIp/lVio3Jl9ojfQVk7rveG/mIG2IhNgs9X/NkNnhUry8tZMvAD9Ps+HHUyfPR5nIkm HMeQ== yb7mr23883868pab.16.1381523578976; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.73.6 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:32:58 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:32:58 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Robert nogueira Cc: Shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Long term storage of a transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Put it in the attic, not the basement! (Assuming you have one.) Condensation is your worst enemy. Doug On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Robert nogueira wrote: > I've got a spare transmission (manual) which was recently rebuilt that I > will > be hopefully .storing for a long time. The Manual calls for the use of non > detergent 30 Weight motor oil > I'm worried that over time the oil will all settle at the bottom of the > case > and the gear teeth might suffer corrosion. > Any good tips for long term storage of a transmission? > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 14:46:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31C742F6A for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B40429B9 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:45:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id x13so9439359ief.31 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:45:08 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u0BbIH0EvB+EjPZyku4LqL+oliaAH+r/IkFolpr5SlM=; b=xbNkjTezJmzDCKNm0iaP7HpLb6S8VpqTrG55L0sFZjesYPvbIOjGML1/1PUOUE8YTY jachwYXCDEfIQ3svEVlgrBinuBlyzPqPXIw2y8I8vdKZ1zqk2jh8wQtUG8j4y6ckFW34 2BdyvcrKKNR/+8AskVfEn34Z9V8gz7HUFDK7wROxWRXrASOte3W5HB12z8QgMmvBu+96 Xk1z911RohN98zH8nF9KpYxYvz8oe3K3/RPpoJlUYzU9bKxboMYyLAWNizwktDQOVuKX Wcw2MXKa6n85ZxzHYiW5NKrig3uwpoak0hR49SFvRxuShrG3g/6rxwuJryJwor6V44bm E/Hw== hd16mr12664961icb.17.1381524308064; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.9.2] (253.sub-174-239-2.myvzw.com. [174.239.2.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id t7sm4799526igd.6.2013.10.11.13.45.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:45:10 -0400 From: "L.T.C. Davies" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Long term storage of a transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Lay it on its side so the the filler is on top, then overfill? On 10/11/2013 4:00 PM, Robert nogueira wrote: > I've got a spare transmission (manual) which was recently rebuilt that I will > be hopefully .storing for a long time. The Manual calls for the use of non > detergent 30 Weight motor oil > I'm worried that over time the oil will all settle at the bottom of the case > and the gear teeth might suffer corrosion. > Any good tips for long term storage of a transmission? > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ltdavies533@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 15:11:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B5142F2F for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B26F42F0F for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:07:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e6b78.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.107.120]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MUI00DBVVZL24A0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:05:01 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: Robert nogueira , Shop-talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Long term storage of a transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I was told by a transmission rebuilder that the best thing to do is to overfill it. Fill it with as much lube as you can. Then put a big tag on it so you or the next guy knows to deal with it later. Can't think of much better protection than being submerged in oil. -Steven Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 04:00 PM 10/11/2013, Robert nogueira wrote: >I've got a spare transmission (manual) which was recently rebuilt that I will >be hopefully .storing for a long time. The Manual calls for the use of non >detergent 30 Weight motor oil >I'm worried that over time the oil will all settle at the bottom of the case >and the gear teeth might suffer corrosion. >Any good tips for long term storage of a transmission? > >Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 15:14:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B12E42EF6 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF73142EF6 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20131011211405.PTUC10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:14:05 -0400 Received: from wt09 ([209.225.8.59]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id bxE51m00X1GRMdM05xE5fo; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:14:05 -0400 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=Kc4yQPEsBoQA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=EUuJ8q6tCT0A:10 a=6EyqoAvABxlzmsbDhg4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:14:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:14:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Long term storage of a transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I think I've read that you can spin it manually every so often and that will help keep the gears oiled. On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Robert nogueira wrote: > I've got a spare transmission (manual) which was recently rebuilt that > I will > be hopefully .storing for a long time. The Manual calls for the use > of non > detergent 30 Weight motor oil > I'm worried that over time the oil will all settle at the bottom of > the case > and the gear teeth might suffer corrosion. > Any good tips for long term storage of a transmission? > > Bob > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 15:19:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC4542F40 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:19:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360BA42EF6 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e6b78.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.107.120]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MUI00G0LWK7TK90@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:17:27 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: Shop Talk References: <2663db8.48da4.141a95e8450.Webtop.49@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Long term storage of a transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well, I guess that would work, but how long is "long term" and how convenient is the storage location? And of course, how good is your memory? At 05:14 PM 10/11/2013, Tim wrote: >I think I've read that you can spin it manually every so often and >that will help keep the gears oiled. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 18:18:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1464142F1F for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 18:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.248]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F3F42F06 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 18:18:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.160] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2013 00:18:01 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.156] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2013 00:18:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Oct 2013 00:18:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1381537081; bh=sT32xFAHIx0rMONqqlvMym/H8a9tpv9jKFF15pA/74k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=epPvCnGIKqAp5CK4utfhLcoxCDgloU/naW2usKCtOCj5rkHsGCAZH9HmhbrLgVpU1lX515slXE6tG91s8BvNG/Ln3MwV0bJm2EOS/lnp6YrDyXIWlfPaYCGiXl+BWY+/tpWW8JSUKx+EKNNNOAIC8qv6JEWK7gUTkXkxOpai2X4= d3yGVZbMfiiRSgVtyoi7iUI.cR0CSGWpThhp.jH3mQDmTtuyTwL3fiQXIfJF TPZjf3uIqyCL94b6C1u2l2ftrtg.s1U5cShG8erpucoqSpcDFKmD0F.jBFSh cW0TmiQqwkZZFjzxry8nRyftLg.N9.o9GINGSKDLQu31_NNzSwyMAbqPQxeu QAX4bgQ1aCF5ZO59TCMsRVsayiwDiCHdwE66y8we.aIZCIJmsls.XouSn_T7 lfMwnqil24fRSjhoc1lPpVWVud5lMeBkeWUaN6RFfl50ODFDLnsaRMNkxWgd m1hqmsTYqVZDcsrlwK74XFoIZ8c3_.IRMJ210nOyVUXPawN7OBr9IJTUFaH2 yPWJHbG3AqbUEw_C4yyzzsuhh_.hfLxVUF8udj2x1B9YxZPwMus137CGPlAb gO1p2l5rwfUH2YEfPfbVIWFILfhuiisaSfCQ7_tCh3GWc12KnM5INJNmiCgO _8K2Moh4q5Yz_e6M3SMxEBUOrATqZ4BqZ9FPoJSIfx8w14dwjbKVht4mRQEy hQriqcsFZi4xSMECciy4- smtp116.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2013 00:18:01 +0000 UTC From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Shop-talk'" References: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:17:54 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7Gv5kaBrsoMleeSfat92BE4m0aNQAID9sg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Long term storage of a transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a spare TR3 block and a few trannies. I spin each of them for a few minutes every few years. I have not looked inside for at least 12 years, but they all continue to spin freely. Jack -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert nogueira Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 1:01 PM To: Shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Long term storage of a transmission I've got a spare transmission (manual) which was recently rebuilt that I will be hopefully .storing for a long time. The Manual calls for the use of non detergent 30 Weight motor oil I'm worried that over time the oil will all settle at the bottom of the case and the gear teeth might suffer corrosion. Any good tips for long term storage of a transmission? Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 11 18:28:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F4D42F3E for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 18:28:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB2642F06 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 18:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D96208063 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:24:51 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=2uAb2XsYAmyFtxUOa4CcoBJ1igg=; b=C/WfNIoEY+GF rshkF0vCBP9nSzBydzXAS3ZhVXbl0y5f4ntsABJh3LIXt3D3dQoVHV68RegYrCrF onDk1simjDlSCLOCDUUmLzS7nebgNptHrfFoHFnrHUGdLnyEii0NG79/5VSABfuw za20WloObmi/dQl2VHmf24IQ6n9Nztw= Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-96-237-249-101.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [96.237.249.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB7C1208056 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:24:49 -0400 References: <52586356.2060500@gmail.com> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Long term storage of a transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Oct 11, 2013, at 4:45 PM, L.T.C. Davies wrote: > Lay it on its side so the the filler is on top, then overfill? > This would work (take care oil won't leak out the breather), as would sealing it in a bag with a container of anhydrous silica ("do not eat") large enough to absorb all moisture for your storage term. jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 15 14:14:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF0A4054C for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com (mail-pd0-f179.google.com [209.85.192.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF6A40439 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:13:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id v10so9434973pde.10 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:13:33 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yoLuRlK7fmVrUVd81FcS+3g9EJ7XOCh2JhL5qvs4RnA=; b=hzvPOyUVfMashV8jIQHVdnvaeAiE887KFGhBjYyRpcwZULtsiqT6hcAgamckB+bQys UQ8Ngq0fXfcVNDDsGDAZPfT5158f/bdXSTHm3raZCSVmQTabJp54joEZhsszyWIIyTlA jM+OM36dkREaa6Vo5lrvW7XJZf8CPlWmCoWI//33s0OBIwSxXTrwRLLiHbJ+4N0tEcim IDgGFL/uQqfZSyINazs9Un5bRU9AQjds98y8bjwBhxFk+/SunfGHTyyboVz/giKuRztg gXYL9KunWfw/UW522KLGR7C5UUZuiq+YVLCh3mxDOVf6e4IdUNumyirJpcufInE+AXcU g2vQ== cv4mr42946831pbc.39.1381868012973; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.7] (24-117-200-3.cpe.cableone.net. [24.117.200.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tu6sm36748370pbc.41.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:13:31 -0700 From: Badger Mountain Motorworks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Light Bulbs for Heating Purposes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 15 14:53:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB324055D for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:53:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD18F40442 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id bj1so9624896pad.0 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:52:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=BuYmIqXvewJiNVaU5EAwooYpIcWg0CIhLB5x5zLLE1U=; b=KWFGMWz5gg9LziwUOT+yUOlkeuLIFrG/7GYxuLrZ4v1IqJDXJRJowQEhmTPAOdP9U4 Y1V/zbR9Wq+MDwuq9J1507lVWiNbZqN5dfug/bttg520otXDR2D6fiWcH/Lfa5TNtv8W LN5Cl4DQIIE+Jh2IkjaVUfKyG0KK2sk7uREbkVqBm8sqnejj2MBM6RZs/X0N1UdvVOBE iwOat+BoebWjyRo+0fd4OyGQ9iowj8urMovLyQyunq/pZ/AbiVCT+kTqZTQPpgwNelH2 YtdiwLvlKX7jlycATF5EcQEnOOElIt3TUElhl/doUxTCIS9Mh1SpvBoNu35ZhD2ALXYm RU4w== ap8mr45478604pad.53.1381870369277; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.39.4 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:52:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <525DA1EB.8010001@cableone.net> From: Peter Murray Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:52:29 -0400 To: Badger Mountain Motorworks Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Light Bulbs for Heating Purposes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I think there was supposed to be more here. Were you thinking about something like this? They're not "light bulbs" - they are efficient heaters with waste light! http://heatball.de/en/ -Peter On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Badger Mountain Motorworks < badgermt@cableone.net> wrote: _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 15 22:00:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8316F40439 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 22:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F99C400A5 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dT8b1m0071bwxycAFbxK0v; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 23:57:19 +0000 Received: from BigBlack ([IPv6:2601:8:a100:8c5:3cfc:e3a6:e502:7330]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dbxN1m00e3mcEW58ebxPSs; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 23:57:23 +0000 From: "Bob Kegel" To: "Badger Mountain Motorworks" , "Shop Talk" References: <525DA1EB.8010001@cableone.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:56:43 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1381881439; bh=+wIqCmEDA1+LmSr7RL40jxsE9jPnkkNsg9qRCs/zDu0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XB3kVpi6vLKElUo5uRg4fXdfGhcEKMBjTSWFKSTBLwicpHeEwWgw2aSzF9aA00Qqg j2hW9Xz6DhN/pMfH3O6uhwxOOIl/uoW7zatIYSHjdSuwBQU7NuOBcaKEvsr1/LSWN1 Kgltl7qD9qxXkUYW1a49bXXOKrGcl1wSgVBECLGQMtGZXSHnZFY5AIZtYUmQQFNZg+ fZhVDjcJLOUix30xvmXKpiwMN5TUirREZSqpdXe3XVIbfm5ghVhitrgQ79nIdiOXYW BymNUqWvtWJROJcFpvY4mfDuzd6y5tFxdS46xVRe/cgbQGb4ADfJiUdK6LRG+8Eaq0 jqPRrMDTXuUBw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Light Bulbs for Heating Purposes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It this what you're thinking of? Many years ago, when I was messing about in boats, I'd see these used as damp chasers. http://www.processheating.com/index.php?page=Coneheater2 Bob Kegel Aberdeen, WA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 16 11:12:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83414291F for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:12:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02A540439 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id wm4so844398obc.22 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:08:01 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KtkODlil5G7lgHMZP1sLrryml7S5l6lfm43kr0ujXG0=; b=N0zr74IuSfVJVVlnxZpVqodTVZtNACyhD6qgt2/zLzaOKgz+h/yCM2ylUOShbGu5bM DECcfRnJAe4rSqfNXojNriMh/zsBYjHvMqr/b6BxfpVxrl+dNrTwJLeL6+sE4a3AbBaQ EtrLgQKODi20AwcONTDAaIWzKSAGIIF7xmpTZcGJG5p6wG1SkYJrbKdOz/g9nNi8wyUD TE38CBKWDiJgHjX4lAJp/qT7zZjSiqrxVOUIsPNrZz7O/VD+ATvTAsJv0gLJnRyNazq7 Uhs9zU1Mv9GRNJUACaRytj9prxCQ7vphX4aGPlTAJo9uqKM69rgGdOoIJZ1D9T75Fbhn +3ag== e6mr4350072obm.14.1381924772102; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 04:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.134.231 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 04:59:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <525DA1EB.8010001@cableone.net> <2A513C25358540AD841EC84F557487AA@BigBlack> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 07:59:32 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Light Bulbs for Heating Purposes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Boy, that thing is dangerous! Doug On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Bob Kegel wrote: > It this what you're thinking of? Many years ago, when I was messing about > in boats, I'd see these used as damp chasers. > > http://www.processheating.com/**index.php?page=Coneheater2 > > Bob Kegel > Aberdeen, WA ______________________________**_________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 16 11:27:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007F342EF1 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4464140431 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dpUt1m0020vp7WLA4tSjGb; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:26:43 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dtSj1m00L2yr1eL8RtSj4y; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:26:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:26:43 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Doug Braun s=q20121106; t=1381944403; bh=4TzPF+dDdLQhCsW2Nyp0cDh4u1+ezdfLLQXhi8QZ+tk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=b3TIC6V7sJPLQI6iViM/bJkMIG57egQZcwM9BU9PrIqNDiYjVg/VHM3UCudlQ3vDO eIWIksmLuBwy1kD4nynQ2vZMulTPmT9UbnTZzRoxQWLdc/uCjF+U5YLNL8uZMWIZF7 J9R+61jEC9M3iQigSTnpSkvkw9m5ef6ZMMip/dUd6Ak1uzxxbJm/866lZA72ZH/RC6 ql2HL6poTP1MvyhJDNpu4erpZ16abi8OhRdBBUWTIchhACltE7lR+awE8HzTmANI52 XLn7Lq1h6GhRWzDSlbzoaJiLcWj9eThsw3X/TDmonsertpTozPlXSgT9A+ekH+/r7x bjDYYulW59zlA== Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Light Bulbs for Heating Purposes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Braun" > To: "Shop-Talk" > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:59:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Light Bulbs for Heating Purposes > Boy, that thing is dangerous! > > Doug You bet! "Warning b these heaters are electrically live and at temperatures in excess of 1000 degrees F. Danger of electrical shock and burning is present. They are only for use in properly engineered systems with adequate safety precautions taken." Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Bob Kegel > wrote: > > > It this what you're thinking of? Many years ago, when I was messing > > about > > in boats, I'd see these used as damp chasers. > > > > http://www.processheating.com/**index.php?page=Coneheater2 > > > > Bob Kegel > > Aberdeen, WA ______________________________**_________________ > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 16 11:33:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60CA40514 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp001.apm-internet.net (smtp001.apm-internet.net [85.119.248.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF4540431 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:33:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 46366 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2013 12:06:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.103?) (86.167.152.67) by smtp001.apm-internet.net with SMTP; 16 Oct 2013 12:06:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:06:41 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <525DA1EB.8010001@cableone.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Light Bulbs for Heating Purposes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Peter Murray wrote: > I think there was supposed to be more here. > > Were you thinking about something like this? They're not "light bulbs" - > they are efficient heaters with waste light! > > http://heatball.de/en/ > > http://heatball.de/en/thesen.php Discuss. As a Brit I'm all in favour of No 9... Nick Brearley _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 16 13:44:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC42C40511 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:44:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (unknown [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEBD40451 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=AFNRWOWYiq8A:10 a=mGTJJv1BAAAA:8 a=D7zZDnG-VmoE8yHfgcgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=pa6WcQBmm8cA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:50886] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id FE/4B-24854-2E9EE525; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 19:32:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 19:32:50 +0000 From: Randall To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, nick brearley Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Light Bulbs for Heating Purposes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > http://heatball.de/en/thesen.php > > Discuss. Have to wait until it's closer to April 1. I can't take any of that seriously. "Light bulbs" have been being used as smallish heat sources for at least the past 60 years that I know of. My grandfather had a chicken egg incubator that used light bulbs for heat. When I was a kid, we used "heat lamps" to thaw out frozen pipes and keep engine blocks from freezing (when they didn't have enough antifreeze), or just to make the engines easier to start in the morning. 50 years ago, the Hasbro "Easy Bake Oven" was a big hit, and used an ordinary light bulb as a heat source. I even have a built-in heat lamp in my 1960 bathroom. But electricity continues to be more expensive (per Btu) than any sort of fossil fuel (at least here in the US, perhaps it's different in the UK). And light bulbs don't put out very much heat (even a 250 watt bulb is less than 1000 Btu/hr). Nor are they any more efficient than any other resistance heater. Having the infrared is nice sometimes (feels good on your skin after a shower), but there are other ways to generate that without using an expensive and fragile glass bulb. And FWIW, CFLs are just as efficient, in terms of heat output per watt. Whatever light they produce gets turned back into heat, eventually, and still accounts for a relatively small fraction of the input power. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 17 03:36:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2895842F0F for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:36:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp002.apm-internet.net (smtp002.apm-internet.net [85.119.248.221]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B8142EF9 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:36:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 35276 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2013 09:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.104?) (86.151.172.205) by smtp002.apm-internet.net with SMTP; 17 Oct 2013 09:36:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:36:01 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: Randall References: <20131016193250.WJ3KQ.90184.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Light Bulbs for Heating Purposes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Randall wrote: >> http://heatball.de/en/thesen.php >> >> Discuss. > Have to wait until it's closer to April 1. I can't take any of that seriously. > > "Light bulbs" have been being used as smallish heat sources for at least the past 60 years that I know of. My grandfather had a chicken egg incubator that used light bulbs for heat. When I was a kid, we used "heat lamps" to thaw out frozen pipes and keep engine blocks from freezing (when they didn't have enough antifreeze), or just to make the engines easier to start in the morning. 50 years ago, the Hasbro "Easy Bake Oven" was a big hit, and used an ordinary light bulb as a heat source. > > I even have a built-in heat lamp in my 1960 bathroom. > > But electricity continues to be more expensive (per Btu) than any sort of fossil fuel (at least here in the US, perhaps it's different in the UK). And light bulbs don't put out very much heat (even a 250 watt bulb is less than 1000 Btu/hr). Nor are they any more efficient than any other resistance heater. Having the infrared is nice sometimes (feels good on your skin after a shower), but there are other ways to generate that without using an expensive and fragile glass bulb. > > And FWIW, CFLs are just as efficient, in terms of heat output per watt. Whatever light they produce gets turned back into heat, eventually, and still accounts for a relatively small fraction of the input power. If I'm reading them right Heatball's theses are a combination of Teutonic humour and scratching some itches caused by recent EU legislation banning the sale of incandescent light bulbs. The Passivhaus movement has quite a following in Germany. As the website points out, in such a house an inmcandescent bulb has a useful byproduct in heat. Hence the offering of a heat source to augment the reduced heat supply from CFLs. Regarding comparative heating energy costs. As in the US, electric heating is more expensive than gas or oil in the UK. Fracking is a subject of much debate here at present. Living on a small densely populated island many people are not too keen on the idea of having their houses rearranged by subsidence caused by fracking. Even if it goes ahead I think our natural gas prices will still be governed by world prices, unlike the US where it appears that the consumer has benefited significantly from fracked gas production. Nick Brearley _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 21 21:23:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AC242EF5 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99314054B for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324B7272F96 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 03:17:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id IIyFExUwbcnb for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 03:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-131-180.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.131.180]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D3F4530C095 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 03:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:17:32 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] HF Predator engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone have any experience with/opinions on/etc the Harbor Freight Predator engines? I believe they are more or less a clone of the Honda GX series of engines, but some looking around the web seems to indicate that the older HF engines can use Honda parts but current engines can not. The clone engines are apparently very popular with karters and for building mini bikes. The reason I'm asking is that I have a small engine repair class at school where the students break down B&S OHV engines, identify the parts, reassemble them and then get them to start. I don't have the model number handy but they are a basic OHV engine with a slanted crankcase and are a lot like the Honda (and HF) engines. The engines we have are four or five years old, and get disassembled six or seven times a year, and they're getting kind of worn out. New B&S engines are around $300, but I think I can get the HF engines for under $100 with a 25% off coupon. I am probably going to buy one later this week for a test run, but I thought I would run it past you folks, too. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 22 06:11:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D144A4054A for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 06:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0914E40448 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 06:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.168] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2013 12:09:50 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.117] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2013 12:09:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2013 12:09:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382443790; bh=6io/2BWNwkXF128h8AjRHrKocQtjRpiFxNId8EqI3Vw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=LFdZoP/Ef1zQgjjeS2BOcAp7spkXJBV0W3E2r5fKRcRw0SBBucVwjFUiCIjVTWFc+Gm1D3nUeL3eXUPB3ke5KP0jBdOqnwjIBgKnn7fZy1mFkOTUiiDQ8w2n7w+Dd4Rko9aA07gws4bxda+fhUwW9OyN6lIFGsQg5nMygiOC9s8= UyFO9XY.hY4_noQ2EUej5Efeh6ALDPhdWv_feSQQbowt8S.DsM7KfHeCXbEq mcoINLR.6N5zSGef3ejmkHMPu2Almty97M0e.8JvYBsJ6uzoZ317573eqJhn xYP0ShB1GRnzEY8Yy1Hh_299Pl7Q5Pio_Fnp3WxhumKCde3S_ELsJRyCGxtw sG5kyzmj8qsly7wdgkOZ2gZljfimySHw_KMzADHjGJUHffpd3vhqHT9Ectf. DdcpKTm3h6MKnnLQTbX2TIzLsbcqqFPu8WQkHJ9S_UuL4Tawjjg6SAF2hhUh qF4L6Irm7UxcZ_nukEvbCbOxO3cU9Mzeli7lJCnr06clicTjmUJo.0mocnhU c5LCzEn28u4EC76gEaGg3hz367l9lQwn7fGPk0FUO_IWWMGImbhaQFlqMDQv V1JALyM8geEKBRRcYDwxsZaFyV2A.pqQ8H_QzDD0N5C0CvodJN55w.hHGtoh zoT_DTLmOXctbqO_nLTVECiRuOO_tYJ0e__1ndEuZU38SywZFl8H3wT3qmb6 OP0TGPcZDC629QHUAuHe8r0ojw3H2 smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2013 05:09:50 -0700 PDT From: "John Niolon" To: "Dave C" , "shop-talk" References: <5265EE4C.5070009@frontier.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:11:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] HF Predator engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net HI Dave I've got a 30 year old 26" Yazoo big wheel mower (bush hog) I've been using as a trim mower.Bought it used in the 80's when it had a BS industrial iron sleeve engine...replaced the engine one time back around 2000 with a Briggs and last year replaced it with a Predator.. it was a perfect bolt up replacement . It's arund 6 hp (although they go by displacement now) and it started 2nd pull when installed and had never done any less... I do shut off fuel at end of each day and run it dry but 2nd pull always starts it... only maintenance has been oil change at beginning of seasons and air filters... The only fault I find is the low oil sensor will shut the engine down going across a medium slope. I disconnected it . I'm fanatical about oil checking and air cleaner cleaning (every time I use it) so low oil usually isn't a problem for me I'm very pleased with it... It's plenty strong and I have yet to put it in anything that would lug the engine down at all... it was around 90 bucks with coupons and warranty... I figured for a hundred bucks I was far ahead if it only lasted one year. My problem is finding deck parts now. it has a belt/chain drive system and I've got through two junk mowers of parts... But it's such a good mower I just can't retire t. good luck with the HF engines, I don't think you'll be disappointed later John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave C" To: Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:17 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] HF Predator engines > Anyone have any experience with/opinions on/etc the Harbor Freight > Predator engines? I believe they are more or less a clone of the Honda GX > series of engines, but some looking around the web seems to indicate that > the older HF engines can use Honda parts but current engines can not. The > clone engines are apparently very popular with karters and for building > mini bikes. > > The reason I'm asking is that I have a small engine repair class at school > where the students break down B&S OHV engines, identify the parts, > reassemble them and then get them to start. I don't have the model number > handy but they are a basic OHV engine with a slanted crankcase and are a > lot like the Honda (and HF) engines. The engines we have are four or five > years old, and get disassembled six or seven times a year, and they're > getting kind of worn out. New B&S engines are around $300, but I think I > can get the HF engines for under $100 with a 25% off coupon. I am > probably going to buy one later this week for a test run, but I thought I > would run it past you folks, too. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 05:42:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD2D43566 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 05:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.248]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D109443074 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 05:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.164] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2013 11:36:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.158] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2013 11:36:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2013 11:36:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382528186; bh=xD6Lxq8BhX42eAL+lW2VLOMfAWnM5/GxPM9EyWpqAmo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=4Xjsyz+CEZ+P2F0YQnA/jTwM65Wh8FFmre+Hv7xmKBRxX6pZKhAWIsUTCVLfG0b49rvJ45ml7G6h+wqVzNwzY4oaknr4YjMprOYlA0XfHAJ+h/W1eb2GRAYRb73sftos/MQn3IeMmZpH1/dVK6UgTsVYb7zj/OQS65lUjNfgreg= v0Il0.jhP0gEPSmLV9UU70pcyk15tbftOy44xGEELW9AdFb5VO1f7HDUlIHJ JXHPVI3es0RoRB2AclT3IOD2SrlZIJW.yVFzx.sHmHPlcQWiOUcOboxjB75V NORKj_4ELH._tqHjZyHt92WwAa97GBkBKBVVWbhJZgx6M_R2uKmXWszGE_.u Y7q6ma_inEDfG.uhWvODAV8nztaZ5pmKEsduzZvMJtBejbsBUu_FW_utIGKG Z7Y4CGUMNpJ0gCa3WzQ.rhiUpf3jOFXTFdRmKluPM_4IZ9GkFEb71AU13l0b kEGLfD4w2Cy1.SLe4p6WDf55m3JO2e10gYtmQ2R5_dy0CRpP5E5VB1TyTGma 8bju0_Iea5kJdxMnlu9sk9M3Eo51fVgyTepAijsBbgHD.nGwZCphU0XIqu42 R_60MvqzcMv4dDnAY5Faxk2IQbDZ_DP0_m7FzNMMRNw6YwaAFjVtlzQ7h0Bj SWibhQPQvidJ7fLdla6BhNBk- smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2013 11:36:26 +0000 UTC From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 06:37:20 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] testing coaxial cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I know there are some hams or experienced RF people on here so here's the question for them. I'm getting my old ham gear (only VHF and UHF) and getting some emergency communication ability back. I've had several rolls of RG-8 stored in the loft of the garage for years. Wondering if it's deteriorated or degraded. I hooked up a test as follows xmitter to SWR bridge to coax test piece to dummy load ... saw full xmitter power on bridge (of course) and zero reflected Then xmitter to coax test piece to SWR bridge to dummy load and saw the same thing... reflected power was slight tick on the meter...a needle width.. I see no continuity between shield and center conductor. Is there any other test I can do to this coax to assure I'm getting good thru put of RF ?? thanks John Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 06:12:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5F543570 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 06:12:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f174.google.com (mail-we0-f174.google.com [74.125.82.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5333F42F91 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 06:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f174.google.com with SMTP id u56so691325wes.33 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 05:02:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9swEoPtxYVtpuA3Ei68EEwk40ZuxExZzg9JqfU3OHuQ=; b=BO6wtg7OO9HrpeFypa+D+iJO0OfRZpCZ9BpHLTaO5a8yMm8gDrBt8zldU8n+oBrbCl 1K6tJ3gLpohfQzXgxlmHuVxB13hF9M1bvzsL/8ET/Qt7vjOXzlJl+KHikM8kN37up2L8 ZFCQewnELBAp8GfovzXKK9S9Wvo4A5g6JuKkH0r2lMP0D0XYPksFEsWhu+k5ptIvbpId xlMtG89OQ5XsHOytT2FT4PDk6andUhUr7nbR4rtcEIrXE+6GFHyBQxb7xqW/1NxJzl96 qVf5jgX5HI4VyI4F5EO2W++QUnsL1AhlJ6AaDmKTl91lYqQjzdXLf9FGuy5zYyYo8itc hjNg== mb17mr1806693wic.64.1382529774198; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 05:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.121.234 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 05:02:54 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:02:54 +0100 From: Dave Caroline To: John Niolon Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] testing coaxial cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 23/10/2013, John Niolon wrote: > I know there are some hams or experienced RF people on here so here's the > question for them. I'm getting my old ham gear (only VHF and UHF) and > getting > some emergency communication ability back. I've had several rolls of RG-8 > stored in the loft of the garage for years. > > Wondering if it's deteriorated or degraded. I hooked up a test as follows > xmitter to SWR bridge to coax test piece to dummy load ... saw full xmitter > power on bridge (of course) and zero reflected good sign > > Then xmitter to coax test piece to SWR bridge to dummy load and saw the > same > thing... reflected power was slight tick on the meter...a needle width.. need a better load possibly > > I see no continuity between shield and center conductor. > > Is there any other test I can do to this coax to assure I'm getting good > thru > put of RF ?? Measure power in and at the output end, what is the loss per length does it match the spec for the cable at that frequency. You only get reflected power if there are discontinueties. If you have a really fast pulse generator, eg can produce a 1ns pulse and a very fast scope then you can make a simple TDR (time domain reflectometer) to look at reflections v time (distance is about 1ns per ft) and whether any problem is above or below the impedance of the cable. Dave Caroline > > thanks > John > > > > Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave.thearchivist@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 06:12:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50154323B for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 06:12:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F5142F7E for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 06:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id gq1so645517obb.31 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 05:03:26 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=gFOpf9MOIceZZhS2Qt0KhpTMyEWUMItVhJacGIVbovk=; b=mS9Mpc2ePfI6BN/HkH7nq3W9LhaxbCoHHSJmqKOEr4VxbNccW2G9GXtwqZUK8ut43i Xvi8C9xTSQgJAllch3eKxDWW/g5KGq+goHvZCyIsIhShSoYnC2x6U/T5TV/lT/ddddw5 52uZ7yDty2j07wf2yFdbjsv4UjVSlOm2jmvGClMGIl/YXhzctl/D9PNN7H2viuCLYtIh U30AgiudQ4/HBP240zoRCyR92wxGijfqeArPKGF8wOtagb8idlais/KYpCPotDP16TBP WXIFmgIe0+f/pmAAqCkO9DE5qslcBdmymF6177XbkYd3PkaC9PxVtu281gPAq6bl6CsA dMSA== Wed, 23 Oct 2013 05:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.134.231 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 05:03:25 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:03:25 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: John Niolon Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] testing coaxial cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You could put the SWR meter right after the transmitter, hook up the cable to its output, leave the far end open, and see that the reflected power is the same as the forward power. Then do it again with the far end shorted. (These tests are basically the same as measuring the loss of a piece of cable of twice the length.) BTW, if the cable was terrible, and absorbed all power, the first test you did would show the same results. But if nothing is crumbling or cracking or corroded, the stuff is probably fine. Doug On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 7:37 AM, John Niolon wrote: > > > Is there any other test I can do to this coax to assure I'm getting good > thru > put of RF ?? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 16:30:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E4C42F76 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:30:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7731A42F76 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.164] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2013 22:11:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.159] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2013 22:11:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2013 22:11:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382566293; bh=MPBu2y3+6XYY4EfCcT9jGmcUklfF+m/ZlD77UJmvapU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=TI5lH34yEBc1HdqByVXmZDuQozSfMr0w8HtJmj+x/1UbXmzsKqpgflpbUA8MxQz+eHp+5indNBLzfki0R/23kpKPPHyqNnmLJn7328H03kIM2dJAHYhYS/Yse6y/iVIt3x2H0k8iEhK5lFkpGgURdi+FiP1b4PdvU0aUQBeOIXQ= zhwYUv_M.ezLTJPhmbX5IZCz6GdFhB_.YFTBEPhLfKlZrtc40m.rWF8S_v_n cfzAJfpf5QtIroWaeGXQdbWhiOCNdqamGPsXHi9otsvnj6I9HFW1xKwFNYV2 ROWmsvqg__NnyC8JLZRIRXbtnrely2OKEDjb98ZqaGiXkg2ZNePWAuzgsaRs iTO6D4tM3OCJWmKAVwDGCASeUBFbwhQlDTBTDCfSvOlnm2bo3IRo5WB3t7wm 9UN__1QMMzRv55r71.umpwAqOnCGpIp4uuAdcPuqVB5TgwmkElm_qxgQLDId JyC9P64VDLxLYYIKS_jGIdBACpMLP.RN3BLJ2X4YXqism4Rw.ycOWLBfAksF cGSCMJY1ZU6bKNqSza2BTM2peAFMVb6rvh2sOT4GQBS9Oifk.ijEwtM_7bgf Jb8t48yP7zC6kJzShj6SapGUy8zGK5ePP4Ypz_NagTZkd2cxjd7UKl3rH7BV 7UQElznIrvr3sMwmnjYHAIlo- smtp119.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2013 22:11:33 +0000 UTC From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:12:46 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] natural gas generator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net well... today I need a natural gas fed generator guru... I've got a Generac Standby Generator for my home 30kw that is powered with natural gas. Has worked fine for 7 years... consistantly comes on once a week and exercises itself... this week it didn't ??? It has a v6 Ford 3.0L engine, solid state ignition... pretty bullet proof. So I try to start it manually.. the engine spins normally and actually tries to fire off but won't continue to run. I checked fire... It's got it (knocked the crap out of me) I can smell natural gas from the exhaust. There is a 1/2" gas line connected to a 'regulator/valve which feeds the intake manifold. The valve has a low fuel pressure switch which trips a micro switch to signal a fault. The pressure switch activates when gas is turned on and the microswitch (NO) closes when the pressure button activates it. There is a solonoid on top of the valve that I hear/feel actuate when the start cycle starts (and again I smell gas. But the dang thing just won't catch up and run.. I'm thinking it's a fuel problem... something maybe in the valve... another odd thing... It wouldn't run Sunday when I tried it manually... I tried it again Tuesday and it started perfectly and ran with no problem... tried it again today... NO START! so now it's intermittent also... any ideas, expert direction, CWAG, sorcery, ????? thanks John Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 23 17:16:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C9142FD7 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:16:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBECC42FBC for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=oBjTWy1Wh54A:10 a=82YNj-HvNrdvMDSnic8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=SruAce_doY8A:10 a=82S0nOPAR2sA:10 a=KOrh491K8B87fFeLgJkoRw==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.185] ([10.127.132.185:36533] helo=cdptpa-web34-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 81/6B-09301-AA458625; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 22:58:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 22:58:50 +0000 From: Randall To: shop-talk , John Niolon Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] natural gas generator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net John, I know basically nothing about natural gas engines, so this may be a worthless suggestion. But I'm wondering if perhaps the fuel pressure is too high for some reason, maybe a bit of crud caught in the regulator valve or similar and the mixture is too rich to burn. Just like gasoline, natural gas has a relatively limited range of mixtures where it will burn. Beyond that it would be the usual things, ignition timing, valve timing, etc. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 19:32:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3867243552 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7857B43048 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:02:07 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:40:45 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 10/24/2013 20:40:36, Serialize complete at 10/24/2013 20:40:36 Subject: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, this is shop related. I had to remove an in wall oven because it was making noise. I replaced it, and figured the broken one would be perfect for the shop for powder coating and such. Here is the problem, the oven works fine, but sometimes there is a loud hum from it when it is NOT on. Any ideas? Also, since this is a shop stove, can I just rewire it to a simple thermostat and bypass all the other nonsense? Oh, one more question, what is the difference between "Broil" and "Bake?" I'm a 42 year old (come Sunday) bachelor and I don't cook. More importantly, which one do I use for powder coating and what setting? Thanks! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 20:11:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FF443017 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout003.mac.com [17.172.220.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7967042ADC for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (67-5-255-238.ptld.qwest.net [67.5.255.238]) by st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MV700BASBHI9C60@st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 01:44:13 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-10-25_01:2013-10-24,2013-10-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1310240220 From: Darrell Walker Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:44:00 -0700 References: To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:40 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Here is the problem, the oven works fine, but sometimes there is a loud > hum from it when it is NOT on. Just plug it in when you are using it? > Oh, one more question, what is the difference between "Broil" and "Bake?" > I'm a 42 year old (come Sunday) bachelor and I don't cook. More > importantly, which one do I use for powder coating and what setting? Broil would turn on the element on the top, and would be used for direct heat cooking. Not what you would want for power coating. Typically it isnt even controlled by the thermostat. Use the bake setting, what ever temperature you are supposed to cure at. -Darrell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 20:12:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87764369D for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:12:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE9942ADC for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:46:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e6b78.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.107.120]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MV7003ODBFU1DF0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:40:50 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Don't know about the hum. Is that the same noise it was making in the kitchen? Certainly relocating it and repurposing it hasn't fixed it. I guess you could rewire it to a "simple thermostat" but it would have to have the ability to sense the temperature inside the oven while being located outside the oven. Might be worth a little diagnosis first. As for your easy question, Broil heats from above and cooks things from the direct heat. You always broil on full heat. Good for a steak. Bake heats from below and heats the oven to a particular temperature. This is good for things you want to heat without that direct burning effect. 42 year old bachelor is one thing, but heck, didn't you ever heat a pizza? :-) Powder coating is definitely a "bake" job. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 08:40 PM 10/24/2013, eric@megageek.com wrote: >OK, this is shop related. > >I had to remove an in wall oven because it was making noise. I replaced >it, and figured the broken one would be perfect for the shop for powder >coating and such. > >Here is the problem, the oven works fine, but sometimes there is a loud >hum from it when it is NOT on. > >Any ideas? Also, since this is a shop stove, can I just rewire it to a >simple thermostat and bypass all the other nonsense? > > > >Thanks!Oh, one more question, what is the difference between "Broil" >and "Bake?" >I'm a 42 year old (come Sunday) bachelor and I don't cook. More >importantly, which one do I use for powder coating and what setting? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 20:12:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1F9436DA for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5842C42ADC for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DB1276C43 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMDHexaCore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CAA276C41 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:46:12 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke mail.megageek.com> localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net >Oh, one more question, what is the difference between "Broil" and "Bake?" >I'm a 42 year old (come Sunday) bachelor and I don't cook. More >importantly, which one do I use for powder coating and what setting? Bake is the lower element only. Broil is the upper element only. No idea which one to use for powder coating. I use Bake for cakes and Broil for steaks. Dang, now I'm hungry... Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 432,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 20:13:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E49434C6 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail963c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail963c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1277143048 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:51:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail963c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9P1ojK5029145; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 01:50:49 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: , References: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:50:16 -0400 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=Cw46uF_UzBFOaabono4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=26CCmLBdPl8A:10 a=UHHsM-88z5QA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Oh, one more question, what is the difference between "Broil" and "Bake?" Broil will usually heat up only the upper coil (assuming we're discussing an electric oven). Bake will heat up both the upper & lower coils - to heat the entire oven evenly. I would assume that 'bake' is what you'd use for powder coating. Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 20:30:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BF44308B for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:30:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B81C4319D for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:57:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FBEA1A64 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:56:54 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net eric@megageek.com wrote: > Oh, one more question, what is the difference between "Broil" and "Bake?" > I'm a 42 year old (come Sunday) bachelor and I don't cook. More > importantly, which one do I use for powder coating and what setting? > > For either gas or electric ovens, "broil" is a non-regulated, or loosely regulated, setting that puts the heat source at the top of the oven above the food. Sort of like an upside down grill. Bake is more closely regulated, with the heat source coming from the bottom of the oven. This is what you want for powder coating. Chef Mark. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 20:45:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437C343177 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:45:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3BB43003 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:17:12 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XngPKVi2hRXpI0YmoJapPzkIS43sVqYBq5D6QXX4R57P0CNx/NHm7wpP3SW27a4G; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.13.240.186] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VZWwS-0001du-Fu; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:16:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:14:30 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: eric@megageek.com References: Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric - An oven when off and cold shouldn't make any sounds. Many will have a fan that runs when it is on to circulate air around it and keep the outside cool. The fan will keep running after the oven is turned off until it is cool enough to safely turn off and not start a cabinet on fire. Bake is the lower element only and controlled by the temperature you select. I have not powder coated, but I expect this is the setting you will use as it is the most controlled. Broil is the upper element to provide direct heat. You normally use broil to cook something really hot and close (top rack). Broil doesn't have a temperature control. If there is a preheat setting, it runs both burners to heat the oven faster the switches to the lower burner once it reaches the preset temp. Since there is something questionable about the oven, for safety, I'd make sure it is disconnected from power when not in use. Either unplug it or if hardwired, get a disconnect like you might use for an outside AC unit and switch off the oven power when not in use. Brian On 10/24/2013 5:40 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, this is shop related. > > I had to remove an in wall oven because it was making noise. I replaced > it, and figured the broken one would be perfect for the shop for powder > coating and such. > > Here is the problem, the oven works fine, but sometimes there is a loud > hum from it when it is NOT on. > > Any ideas? Also, since this is a shop stove, can I just rewire it to a > simple thermostat and bypass all the other nonsense? > > Oh, one more question, what is the difference between "Broil" and "Bake?" > I'm a 42 year old (come Sunday) bachelor and I don't cook. More > importantly, which one do I use for powder coating and what setting? > > Thanks! > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 20:47:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D1D436DC for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11D343033 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e6b78.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.107.120]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MV7005HBDDAM0J0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:22:28 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Nope. Bake is lower only. Some ovens have a "preheat" mode that uses both, or a self-cleaning cycle. -Steve At 09:50 PM 10/24/2013, Eric J Russell wrote: >Bake will heat up both the upper & lower coils - to heat the entire >oven evenly. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 21:00:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129EB43791 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:00:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B10042A14 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:39:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hEEm1m0020cQ2SLA9Ee8m2; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 02:38:08 +0000 Received: from BigBlack ([IPv6:2601:8:a100:8c5:b0dd:979d:2a89:dcee]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hEe61m00T3sSzSj8WEe7Gj; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 02:38:07 +0000 From: "Bob Kegel" To: , References: Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:38:01 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1382668688; bh=flDcF8Ajb4zoioGgtZtpwOBHB76MJ7OIDPeeP/4Ktpg=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VuNvsZ0Sk4kRq3OFzrGEViugDS3kkrXzCxQmK0bhrf98qkxAuQa/aAneQ2IUOaPm3 TEM6wkh1uxneEJVcLEcBQKUBKRKVtQSfD+YM1vFnnbaUnnzHMLLijpKnqIYl1SVhkg hSJe65PqS4p4EhrvuHieEdv9hkNoS/Pnps1T5zQun5dzI+GAqml+ZEGJMWCjX5Ss3E KNxGNQcRgAz4Yf78b/Vri7THIUpIrRGJZ9Am9t3GtjffbIyIuTLcaszxS6cQpxiewY w+fuNmnXnHUL9ZAXKtSUzVIg2bmzlGKMzPPaE0Zpq60CEPInsCVE1NiQkGTIDr0a1e wF5iRklakkXTQ== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ovens usually have a clock/timer. I'd look there for the source of the hum. Bob K _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 24 21:59:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BB4430FF for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a115.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F644302E for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a115.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a115.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342498325 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:26:16 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=o6TATFmSnnxPliXFAiE3MgIODSE=; b=SXpenH6K6We/ rLIIQx8zYwlG1CSc9VqSqI3SYSe8bNmT2ZwU7PiIx+7tgP9PWHk8WJwAbn4i+A5D xS4jAqcc9rMwJABdUPcrJZG86xjG/I+rEBf9sbAWiGIVk0RaJYrADk95J6B07SRp v54fP0jLiBFnAnTPT/Ke6FZbejGX0r0= Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-96-237-249-101.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [96.237.249.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a115.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F05C58314 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:26:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:26:14 -0400 References: To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Bob Kegel wrote: > Ovens usually have a clock/timer. I'd look there for the source of the hum. > Bob K I second this. Our 70s oven with analog clock would occasionally resonate something loudly enough to wake us up. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 00:59:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE0E42F4C for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:59:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FCA4281B for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 00:49:20 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=6uvjc7HDvAgA:10 a=CruAgHihqA5LObc4w8gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=-rACPVKn36cA:10 a=DVRaqEic2jwA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FB/D2-00725-2341A625; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 06:48:19 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:48:31 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7RIftEqv7H1W19SXuWja8FC2x/DgAK89Dg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > More > importantly, which one do I use for powder coating and what setting? Varies with the powder. 400F is most common I think. Don't see any reason you couldn't use both elements if you want (and have enough current available). But normally the upper "broil" element isn't controlled by the main thermostat, so you'd need to change that. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 11:15:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4154943692 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19699435FC for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id ro8so308602pbb.27 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:46:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zYAX4Gwzlkl3fgaztnmz1Is2JmdM+/KDTWhuNxAAJdg=; b=mjeblEYRFcL3rV67tjTllMMu+RLRXj7/01bP47532jnzDFdgIceTrFR0KWclwjBrUD Pnei/05W7mWQSzHGkmzRYA7CLFudSFb3GcQzXX6HgTxTNoFREA8NOTM875DaTSRklsaC 6IkOPu8PnOR5FN+0UFQaCaAmtmeqLtV9VjxbqWsIei41aFEq9D3vg18g5oRtJ5iyje+K Q9DwSJnaBnKQo/aF5exGpo+7DNWUistX9/FR3G138iTrCx6JY55NXcnOEiL8Ix5aBaDY EafR+WKVmQWzb7SOp1M0nNioyrtVucNeeab1WOMP1lc9crn9vNUjuYPYJpXfumycwbJu p5EA== xo2mr2603434pbb.179.1382719602214; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.96.65 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:46:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <0MV7005HDDDAM0J0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:46:42 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Steven Trovato , shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Steven Trovato wrote: > Nope. Bake is lower only. Some ovens have a "preheat" mode that uses > both, or a self-cleaning cycle. > > Depends on the oven. Some will turn the top element on in the bake cycle, if the temperature falls too low. Not usually a problem in real baking, unlews you leave the door open for far too long. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 12:15:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C993B4364F for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C638F43722 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:51:07 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:29:27 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 10/25/2013 13:29:36, Serialize complete at 10/25/2013 13:29:36 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net First, thanks for all the great answers! I guess this list still is pretty alive! 8>) I guess I should have been clearer with my original post. The oven came from a rental I have, so I never got to experience what was wrong with it. But yes, they confirmed that it was a buzz when it was off. Also, I did hook it up to a plug so I can unplug it when not in use (and even move it easily if need be.) So it looks like this was a blessing after all. I got my 'powder coat' oven and the tenants got a new oven! Thanks again everyone. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 25 14:21:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6AF435F8 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:21:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CCA431B2 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id vb8so1415959obc.5 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:56:41 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CpskhFTz8YC9OZfIgvJfditR0VdtvlaGmZ8VNDV3OyI=; b=bF3ZPD9F1cVXOfKw2+XeHbwmC9sPZhcGwgh8BBvYjOM2jbrdvf1su/br+MdYWOIkrK ctz8r+elcw5de+rkuSXTkjhFE/9gqNnGwIaxik4I34vOPxjiqtgAOp/Slj0iCyloH2ua rqk4OQanvDTLsKcN4vyORbWLUKCPQpJ2hanRVcfur1+H2w8ZKBzyz14/nU4Yd5ZrGbC2 h9fes6FwEy6uur9qGXd7Y/gZiVz8ELcZ+bOHwHObSEdWTTgAPIB4N8QTGvL/qU29eum+ rxolEVLEXr1RmUL7SQTLG4uRSSsayk7q9TL7B3rvmRK+SBI9uUx656qRs+6IZ79srQjq MqSA== fv10mr4442954oeb.44.1382731001478; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.134.231 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:56:41 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:56:41 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: eric@megageek.com, Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Oven problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net With the self-cleaning setting, you can clean grungy metal parts like old engine blocks and bell housings. Doug On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:29 PM, wrote: > First, thanks for all the great answers! I guess this list still is > pretty alive! 8>) > > I guess I should have been clearer with my original post. The oven came > from a rental I have, so I never got to experience what was wrong with it. > > But yes, they confirmed that it was a buzz when it was off. > > Also, I did hook it up to a plug so I can unplug it when not in use (and > even move it easily if need be.) > > So it looks like this was a blessing after all. I got my 'powder coat' > oven and the tenants got a new oven! > > Thanks again everyone. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 09:33:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845AA43130 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from rdsmtp.iglou.com (rdsmtp.iglou.com [192.107.41.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AA543103 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:06:00 -0600 (MDT) d=iglou.com; s=alpha; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:References:To:From:Message-ID; bh=lIFc264gB1ysZw/nOen6hxQsxKjRT86Og6dWBWFndBU=; b=TXYrDwIAfmnlBagtQSTFzbsYyR8UjkuYcRO5ft6kil287BhdGq3lRrSBNMhGgMiBLMqCwMisBDwtmjiM8L8iovqhgfzce6zxk3/7fY9ZtTyf25028H+7AEXE0ktI4W8maQf3aMgpVL/LmTWnmJk/RuRM6Hf1LPjZ/cMDX/vn4Ro=; Received: from iglou3.iglou.com ([192.107.41.6]:45540 helo=mail.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtpa (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1Va5Pb-00058q-Ga by authid with igloumta_auth for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:04:23 -0400 Received: from loudsl01-253-110-82.iglou.com ([64.253.110.82]:50695 helo=vostro1500) by mail.iglou.com with esmtp (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1Va5Pb-0006nw-4T; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:04:23 -0400 From: "Bill Engle Sr" To: "John Niolon" , "shop-talk" References: <2F1936A9489C465199C035AF577C5231@john5043a2d406> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:04:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] natural gas generator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Check the oil level my Generac has a low oil switch that prevents starting. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: John Niolon To: shop-talk Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] natural gas generator well... today I need a natural gas fed generator guru... I've got a Generac Standby Generator for my home 30kw that is powered with natural gas. Has worked fine for 7 years... consistantly comes on once a week and exercises itself... this week it didn't ??? It has a v6 Ford 3.0L engine, solid state ignition... pretty bullet proof. So I try to start it manually.. the engine spins normally and actually tries to fire off but won't continue to run. I checked fire... It's got it (knocked the crap out of me) I can smell natural gas from the exhaust. There is a 1/2" gas line connected to a 'regulator/valve which feeds the intake manifold. The valve has a low fuel pressure switch which trips a micro switch to signal a fault. The pressure switch activates when gas is turned on and the microswitch (NO) closes when the pressure button activates it. There is a solonoid on top of the valve that I hear/feel actuate when the start cycle starts (and again I smell gas. But the dang thing just won't catch up and run.. I'm thinking it's a fuel problem... something maybe in the valve... another odd thing... It wouldn't run Sunday when I tried it manually... I tried it again Tuesday and it started perfectly and ran with no problem... tried it again today... NO START! so now it's intermittent also... any ideas, expert direction, CWAG, sorcery, ????? thanks John _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 11:53:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDEB43836 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:53:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34950434E3 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.156] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.158] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2013 17:34:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1382808840; bh=TcOxgYN2lnNFfPUMbgaJs3qas9SL0OGGIXfW+KNpiDc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=himVJXVdu0FnZGV5oJjP7RkeLYYyYNUqZIze4JzQl/ZaFuUr4amuT8NpzRSVP3vsSBQmp/y8pzcAzSlAPfxEOPqOwlSHIbvEHLXjgHnfPRhS+GQ2X2uLO1l2JdJv5WF88OFkM1qu9MjnKINxlK5wII/zjCLIydHjn6pfQsPdnxs= DGxFw1GRrPG3j6E_0mHqCpG2GSsM99AxWEt2YlQEruuzZKHELSoBW2fGPpDk TWNVSoVDNdxO8jY2aQC2xfeEzDO4EZUuoib.INmU7T_iK98I4bZ54ezTvFdW 2GRyaC1x_AWEBsKPN68JaGJmFBDlSuq1mwEYXw6VSO8shKBKOQApH.t56GU3 oRA5ctXgfNJJDO1NjQhcLknVMdTAzpx.WhAwLB4jPtPdiKM5E0Zj9JRwhqtX hOMkgWGMauubpMb_pgRRlF9bA6dwJyCrPHA7rRR98T6.ahbaLNBhSnsVGA8k TVWpZmINMdywdk5RSYZGuRt5Wn4Zk_qxX9bfeWz1FKU4V6GPPPR8JhjCmnbK SaergBkcndLMZ0xK8ksYnwmBYCVPOwxE6HIGlbR3kAyscC.jnl9HawmStTni N0ID51ISPxWZP0D.GlLhBBzP6zI82zVb.creOcwiuNGhiSbc_u.T56KqMVkp faUBb1KJdxbIxxHXEj3YE1OY- smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2013 17:34:00 +0000 UTC From: "John Niolon" To: "Bill Engle Sr" , "shop-talk" References: <2F1936A9489C465199C035AF577C5231@john5043a2d406> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:34:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] natural gas generator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net good suggestion Bill, but oil is full and if the switch was bad I don't imagine that the gen would try to fire off at all... seems I remember the oil switch kills the ignition... This one will try to start but won't continue to run... consensus is a bad regulator but until I can find a water column gauge and test it... we're still guessing... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Engle Sr To: John Niolon ; shop-talk Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] natural gas generator Check the oil level my Generac has a low oil switch that prevents starting. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: John Niolon To: shop-talk Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] natural gas generator well... today I need a natural gas fed generator guru... I've got a Generac Standby Generator for my home 30kw that is powered with natural gas. Has worked fine for 7 years... consistantly comes on once a week and exercises itself... this week it didn't ??? It has a v6 Ford 3.0L engine, solid state ignition... pretty bullet proof. So I try to start it manually.. the engine spins normally and actually tries to fire off but won't continue to run. I checked fire... It's got it (knocked the crap out of me) I can smell natural gas from the exhaust. There is a 1/2" gas line connected to a 'regulator/valve which feeds the intake manifold. The valve has a low fuel pressure switch which trips a micro switch to signal a fault. The pressure switch activates when gas is turned on and the microswitch (NO) closes when the pressure button activates it. There is a solonoid on top of the valve that I hear/feel actuate when the start cycle starts (and again I smell gas. But the dang thing just won't catch up and run.. I'm thinking it's a fuel problem... something maybe in the valve... another odd thing... It wouldn't run Sunday when I tried it manually... I tried it again Tuesday and it started perfectly and ran with no problem... tried it again today... NO START! so now it's intermittent also... any ideas, expert direction, CWAG, sorcery, ????? thanks John _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 26 12:57:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D063F4389E for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:57:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D6B43896 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:28:07 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=EvZK4dt4QR4A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=oBjTWy1Wh54A:10 a=-0PYduMMCOO1zbfHTggA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=igSpdYXu1t8A:10 a=Jk6HRaly1HgA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55004] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F6/7E-00725-0790C625; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 18:26:57 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'shop-talk'" Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:27:11 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7SdEB4wyzttNT3RniJaeuouKg/uQABE7yQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] natural gas generator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > but until I can find a > water column gauge Easy enough to make; just some clear vinyl tubing and some water. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 10:45:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3162436AB for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:45:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F2A43162 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:42:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id vb8so1692607obc.5 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:41:08 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=M7HgmBxY7t5W7FUBVqVx0jdrLZEHqutSVkGhk+KuuKE=; b=GkSTnsZmPeql6sHhEc9NNVgHspO7mLGf5s3WRmUpYRZO2mUKzYy21sAkoFpwgvTchi 1lEtZ4BEsKA6x59dDBrJkyF6aQJ1+1LvJ5CwPuKQwYcdD1Q6e5e3H3UM0ih+u/8uc8O9 O3uPAy+rGru2NAFxArmRiSOQKMBSwCfJDPbp45a8HCiN0BmfPsIO37Wq2mSGQkg+75fl 9+JsixbIcz27aSmoDM1IiNX5IyFA2Y6GAZgj/IFr8+6aUV4emP+qhqMSEUjkKIi24fpX ZZ1ebEH9SehViGKjQX9NqLZa8UGq6fHKiMajjg62zAyWsg0EIAXy4GRc+/pHafRbNdHL W83A== sd7mr1856420obb.70.1383151268311; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.134.231 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:41:08 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Storage Container Rental Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I was thinking of re-finishing my garage floor, and of course I would need a place to put all the stuff in the garage for a month or two. Has anyone ever rented a smaller shipping container or one of those PODS things? Any idea what they charge? I would need them to deliver it to my driveway, and take it away when I am finished with it. Thanks, Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 10:56:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B04043778 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AAE42FE0 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.166] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 16:50:04 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.129] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 16:50:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 16:50:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 80628 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2013 16:50:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383151803; bh=dnfUqsbadOstX/UFXxrrDUMLXmwHYswxD3cu+OZxwno=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jDu4xQ84etEJe6UktdSLhINyQk1nnqfOLAX1BNHc4r4PhUoXS8o2IFur7/KsrrQe7C4YZToTn2pdqOTkctDfdTOddVuJwYortHcTzNlvrW8yWBBEoAa/eOCbjwqWv9g/45We+e23feaMnaBcWR4uZDpYgF0kkvlztgIp95jERzA= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1A5wlpCWiiz64rNt2CWgIbyZ2zIwZHVtWl6qNOAjvTxGEWukxsUH48LlXe7Ye0agHoB068bb/Nhvi1dyxfzo727jJe6qtl2WZ04ELNPpNXwUI+xp2G8XZTpNUSAIUHArjClLporFjQDbq/MHqs64UJ3dtFhCYQ33Ng81Y7rt8O8=; _n3LoOcgKVg2lRTaR_uu3fUC9zxrHlfqz5LEqOXFWCwJRvqwRGHXyv9_Fq_A JKA9Ry6pfdbx.1CBshcFirb4vJToG45.FRV3PiMQBDqD8QK.3CojkfUsrz4T GwIuR6fmpJX49Ah72qhUYNjvbMrIZWqZHTAGHYEoBwFLhNNu4WSk4D1xdQOG Gwke5ayaXBScumYC3fIe2ojbe5Gu938cnjj4Tf0yMNe0NjbjPf_JXCAsEFB7 BsX_I2j6siSC3HcWsOJ5H2rjMMdDJhMoA7diJ0zL2ExQleEn9DNbO4k1hPHJ .vzPzluqGpzU9E1xaeqcjZ4OXPF6EHo37l8Y4iKWsaL2pyIkjQcAtfXhRvqo B_2tZnJc_NVEgo555N0AvtAmsj_n1ZLFmYWPp1yk91OoNMfoBrh3TwGISIW2 iT6oX8zkiTRlm65eCBH3r8LcLQvGg14NGps5767_ocJD4Bh5sPvVCUkEiVHE P0GbrPpiE7ekYDKgrefwxm5HOXHrF6DB1J7oLHZMzmvexkIxzWyj4L3aPOMO XCvDyvu3VPKoxs1wz7O9YkQHgukRXjyD8aMV3QYLBOvHcdZSxi7wQAgmNuch hI7rEcgS3jhJvgf.uDVK1aD6nWy0Lpu9d9yk1DJQsSzK5xTNWscjJE.2lPA- - Received: from [68.181.109.42] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:50:03 PDT SGkgRG91ZywKCk5vIGFuc3dlciB0byB5b3VyIHF1ZXN0aW9uICh1bmZvcnR1bmF0ZWx5KSwgYnV0IEkgd2FzIHdvbmRlcmluZyB3aGF0IHlvdSBkZWNpZGVkIHRvIGRvIHJlZ2FyZGluZyByZWZpbmlzaGluZyB5b3VyIGZsb29yIChlLmcuLCB3aGF0IGFwcHJvYWNoLCBtYXRlcmlhbHMsIGV0Yy4pLgoKVGhlcmUgYXJlIGFsbCB0aGUgZXBveHktdHlwZSByb2xsLW9uIGZpbmlzaGVzIChJIGRpZCBvbmUgcHJldmlvdXNseSB3aXRoIHBvb3IgcmVzdWx0cyBoZXJlIGluIENBIHdpdGggYWxsIHRoZSBWT0MgcmVzdHIBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) From: old dirtbeard To: Doug Braun , Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storage Container Rental Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Doug, No answer to your question (unfortunately), but I was wondering what you decided to do regarding refinishing your floor (e.g., what approach, materials, etc.). There are all the epoxy-type roll-on finishes (I did one previously with poor results here in CA with all the VOC restrictions) and then the lay-down, "interlocking tile" approaches, the glue-down tile approaches and probably some others I do not know about. best, doug ________________ '72 BSA B50SS '74 Moto Guzzi 850T '01 HD XHL 883 '03 GMC Cargo Van '07 Aprilia SXV 550 '13 Aprilia Tuono V4R ________________________________ From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:41 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Storage Container Rental Hello, I was thinking of re-finishing my garage floor, and of course I would need a place to put all the stuff in the garage for a month or two. Has anyone ever rented a smaller shipping container or one of those PODS things? Any idea what they charge? I would need them to deliver it to my driveway, and take it away when I am finished with it. Thanks, Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 10:57:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA87438DF for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F75438AD for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:56:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A866B8269 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:55:15 -0700 (PDT) message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= groupwbench.org; bh=OSDU9OtrbyKWBBo9aQwJc2vMJhw=; b=eAIB4nIWRH4I yOvoRG69gHIpmkpv5T6g4B6TuBQx8JtQ/eGSyZCl/s81DbJtylgTE6h7ytTd772v 7KlTyFVXZVZMRZSMjjKFnX4RiAdxBaDstS8NpbOdFQOLLsFvy1TtN4fWdAPDhynI BaLXdaWhwDlHgNHvZxjJpK9ROh1txdE= Received: from [10.217.37.30] (minengshr001.min.navisite.com [216.251.225.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 680CE6B8227 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:55:09 -0400 From: Jim Franklin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storage Container Rental Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/30/2013 12:41 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > Hello, > > I was thinking of re-finishing my garage floor, and of course I would need > a place to put all the stuff in the garage for a month or two. Has anyone > ever rented a smaller shipping container or one of those PODS things? Any > idea what they charge? I would need them to deliver it to my driveway, > and take it away when I am finished with it. I did. Don't remember what they charge, and it's likely widely variable based on region. but they do hit you up every time they have to move it. If it stays on site it's reasonable. Also, mine leaked from the roof, so there's that to check for too. jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:05:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4753A438BC for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:05:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A7C437CE for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:04:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e6b78.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.107.120]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MVH0040CRDJLMG0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:02:26 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: 'shop-talk' References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] natural gas generator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That's what I did. Check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnlfQK-8qy4 -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 02:27 PM 10/26/2013, Randall wrote: >Easy enough to make; just some clear vinyl tubing and some water. > >Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:10:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DE543926 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:10:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0402A4385B for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:05:59 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1383152624; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=bLYsM9vzGktOQitazark3NXLrdq7dnjck3l1pPEMcAtKDmzRC2QLxKFZ0hSm/0f9h oD8pi7YmlqT8ZiGeVlHKIuKPS5V7YjcDe5DGinW70b5VgWSHEdedzmQZWxoCE1wwxW 0E1Zrvy3ta5yxeQcm9wMFLDSOR8dnMb1q2UlH09o= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail04.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.144]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKHCQ9LA4W7TT2 for (sender ); Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.76.30.253] by webmail04.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:02:13 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:02:13 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Plasma cutter recommendation? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I checked the archive but the only entries I found were way old - circa 1999.I thought Inch enlightenend us a bit within the last few years. Anyone care to pitch their sussess or failure with a relatively low end unit? TIA! MattColumbus, GA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:11:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495A34424E for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3350E43837 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:08:57 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:46:45 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 10/30/2013 12:46:55, Serialize complete at 10/30/2013 12:46:55 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storage Container Rental Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Doug asks about containers... Doug, there are a few options here. First, visit your local U-Haul. They have varying sized containers that are pretty cheap to rent. While there, take a close look at them, many are made with lumber and plywood, then covered with a weatherproof canvas or rubber. You could make something yourself cheaper once you see what it actually is. Next, if you live next to a major shipping port, contact them. They often GIVE AWAY shipping containers that are not 'shipping worthy.' All it would cost you is to have someone deliver it to your house. Or, see if you can rent an enclosed trailer from a trailer dealer nearby. They may have a used unit that they will rent for cheap (since it will not really be used on the roads.) This also gives you the advantage of rolling the trailer right next to the building to load/empty it, but then you can move it away from the doorway to keep it from being in the way. If you can't rent it, maybe buy a used one and resell it when you are done. They don't really depreciate in value (I bought one in 2010 and recently resold if for $200 less than I paid for. Not bad for a 3 year rental.) I have no idea about PODS or any of those services, but I've heard they were pretty pricey. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:48:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C136442F2 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:48:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA99A4390C for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:48:11 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:26:00 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 10/30/2013 13:26:02, Serialize complete at 10/30/2013 13:26:02 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Plasma cutter recommendation? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Matt asked about Plasma Cutters. Matt, I bought from Ramsond... http://www.ramsond.com/welding-plasma-cutting-machines/ I bought the Ramsond CUT50DY 50 and I'm very happy with it. A few times I ran up against the cutting depth limit (just over 3/4 inch). But overall, it does everything I expected. I bought a ton of extra tips and such, which I recommend. They are consumables. My buddy bought a different brand (I'm not sure of the name) and while it's not the same unit, the consumables seem interchangeable. Doesn't handle really rusted metals well (but I don't think any unit will.) My only issue was that I needed better eye protection. welding helmets are too dark. The welding sunglasses I got, seem slightly too little protection. Neither of these are a fault of the brand or unit however (but if anyone has any suggestions on what to use for plasma, I'm all ears (or eyes, I guess.) 8>) Shoot me an email if you have any specific questions. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:57:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C1C44348 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:57:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E2F0443857 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:54:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 30017 invoked by uid 3198); 30 Oct 2013 17:52:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Oct 2013 17:52:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:52:41 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: Matt References: <20131030.130213.24697.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Plasma cutter recommendation? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Matt wrote: > I checked the archive but the only entries I found were way old - circa > 1999.I thought Inch enlightenend us a bit within the last few years. > Anyone care to pitch their sussess or failure with a relatively low end > unit? TIA! I've had three plasma cutters over the past few years. Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 38, and 51 (current) and also a Hypertherm Powermax 30. I bought all three used, and had the 38 and the 30 at the same time -- until I sold the 38 to my friend. I did not need to upgrade from the 38 (20-30 amps) to the 51 (20-40 amps) but the latter came with my PlasmaCam CNC table, basically for free. You really can't go wrong with any unit from Hypertherm, TD, HTP, Lincoln or Miller, unless you buy something that won't cut what you need to cut. All make quality cutters. ESAB, too. Much like welders, the question is, what do you need to do with it? If you will never need to cut more than sheet metal, buying a 40+ amp cutter is wasting money. If you do need to cut 1/2" plate, 50 or more amps would be nice. My 40a Cutmaster will "sever" 3/4", but it will be an ugly edge that will need lots of cleanup. "Rated" maximum is 1/2". There is little difference in the capacity of various models at the same output amps. Cut quality is more dependent on the age of the consumables and the skill of the operator, than the brand of the machine. If you are cutting professionally, you might check out the cost of consumables, which can be pricy, but for a hobbiest, you won't use them fast enough to care, unless you are constantly cutting junkyard metal. What power do you have available? I think all 40+ amp models will require 240v. My Cutmaster 38 was dual voltage, but my 51 is 240-only. Remember you need air, too, so if your compressor is 240 you probably need another circuit. Hypertherms are made in New Hampshire. Thermal-Dynamics moved their production to China with the Cutmaster 39 model, and have since been bought by Victor. I'm not, off the top of my head, sure where Lincoln and Miller build theirs. HTP is probably built in Europe, like their welders. Generally speaking, you will pay more for Lincoln/Miller units than any of the rest mentioned here. Stay away from the no-name TIG/stick/plasma 3-in units on eBay unless you are a gambler. If my Cutmaster blew up tomorrow (touchwood, never had a problem so far), I'd call up Hypertherm. It is very rare to find a dissatisfied Hypertherm customer. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:57:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECBE4440B for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f182.google.com (mail-ve0-f182.google.com [209.85.128.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDDC43857 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:54:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f182.google.com with SMTP id c14so1278639vea.13 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=cV05Fjknd/5OxPvfBJRlxCjTUnxlr6TVsR9jSetccRQ=; b=BjjqMpNZtImBD0vnkiqxWB0dHMfOwJNrsnQYz5UOE1S+kM4ys6RbX/av76+EDvjksl YK/0JSbUJo6Gq8JvB/L+gbx46YQ6xH2+VDkxiaNnJQqHQ1dRbP6IxQ0Y8dsJlXI5smqG utgBWywVZBNoklAcJzAN4AY2Pj1bhxRll3c0JC7p6+n1wGmncJJQnCiS1Hvig5fB3ja7 R7jqIH6WGTFTuNg1RvHoOSetFaEqT1mkp756HDhP0h+QESKQ0vWdos0EtOnT8oHAuet9 p0wi4/QJLVYr3A2CQC8xiHgVoUYSfk439k6NlLONxrW9FyUoooLa34k92BrOqK/r7H7t FZgQ== at9mr3878645ved.20.1383155605798; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.253.201 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:53:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <527139ED.8060800@groupwbench.org> From: Miq Millman Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:53:05 -0700 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storage Container Rental Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net We had a PODS unit on the high school campus for the Lacrosse team to use to store their gear and change into their pads. The first year it was a donation, but after that, the charge was something like $300 for the season--probably about $50-60 a month. This was a couple years ago, about 2009/2010 so pricing might have changed Interior construction was as Eric described, plywood with vertical 2x4 studs. I hung some coat racks with decking screws into the studs, and we eventually put in some of the 1 meter^2 rubber mats from Home Depot to keep the wood floor nice(ish) in the muddy season. Weather proof for the most part, not as good as a Tuffshed, but it was easy to take away when done. -- __ Miq Millman miq@bigllama.com Tualatin, OR Big Llama Productions On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > On 10/30/2013 12:41 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I was thinking of re-finishing my garage floor, and of course I would need >> a place to put all the stuff in the garage for a month or two. Has anyone >> ever rented a smaller shipping container or one of those PODS things? Any >> idea what they charge? I would need them to deliver it to my driveway, >> and take it away when I am finished with it. >> > > I did. Don't remember what they charge, and it's likely widely variable > based on region. but they do hit you up every time they have to move it. If > it stays on site it's reasonable. > > Also, mine leaked from the roof, so there's that to check for too. > > jim > > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/shop-talk/miq@ > **bigllama.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:58:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBAC443F9 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:58:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E225A43857 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id wn1so1836333obc.16 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ELXq208vfkQtl95G2tIVe9MMClLTuS9LfH+Kzi89kFs=; b=VCN9WGtv8/XH4Py4DlEEAxgGZSIKQXuRS5zOWpoT6F2vlikp8CSIDTWdOwjEaMv0qW rjmu5mLypWSh+3yQONAg1iNyoVjcITuMNfRfdPrK+I1PVvu9UaWOzSHggfslnobE3jEG TyEVnQUmQTgAtuap+0hWZXMGKKx0I5/KuUmmi1QLutwlAPcVgjvliTtaTpc8kUEML4OD nJcRmkPaj2QI6+oL/kEJUCoWcSmKNWSMSaIcF8Uox91FD4DnUCy79j6z454Bu5ujR/MK l4rweNUCGYuTwDzOTPCYokoiiSTpE9vx/ctE+4KU9dcjnWigijJFK/vFIzxtFTWmSWzo APSA== e13mr971549oem.84.1383155727408; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.134.231 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) References: <1383151803.78254.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:55:27 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: old dirtbeard Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storage Container Rental Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My garage is 24' x 24' with a nice smooth crack-free concrete floor, and the house is about 30 years old. When I bought the house 7 years ago, I painted the floor with epoxy (one of those kits form HD). I did a careful job with the prep, including a power-washing and an acid etch, and the job looked great for a while, but after a couple of years it started blistering, and and now it has random bare spots all over the place. I had been despairing over what to do about it, but I recently discovered that I can rent a diamond-blade concrete floor stripper that would get rid of all the old paint in a few hour's work. So now I can think about what it could be replaced with. Porcelain tile sounds cool, but it would be a big expensive time-consuming job. Instead I might use a better type of epoxy or some other type of coating system, like polyurea or siloxane. I would rather not use those plastic tiles, since I expect to do messy things like sanding, grinding, and welding, which could damage the tiles. The original job was easy to do since we hadn't yet moved into the house, and the garage was empty. But today the logistics are more complicated... Doug On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:50 PM, old dirtbeard wrote: > Hi Doug, > > No answer to your question (unfortunately), but I was wondering what you > decided to do regarding refinishing your floor (e.g., what approach, > materials, etc.). > > There are all the epoxy-type roll-on finishes (I did one previously with > poor results here in CA with all the VOC restrictions) and then the > lay-down, "interlocking tile" > approaches, the glue-down tile approaches and probably some others I do > not know about. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:58:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61312442CA for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com (mail-vb0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2188443E5 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f13so1315668vbg.11 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:56:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=c9QA14+fBIgLoG/3a+xKUfUh1a9Tro3QGkBDjvtT6Eg=; b=yxHS5jdBvI69IPCLgPR3lEnscvEeYaTSYD369c8T/o0S5Hm4Us3xAAQJpZkzBrlYoa ihgYCun2h4lstxqeUwwv4Q4+Ln0joxHc/OZ2wvFRJEFLDuUvC2d05y5smEL+W9hkFg8z nbYYCF0u5gavZy28NlXPIgkERIrzDvPBgsjQpJl/knkmVjqKT9ywGKY8GPGL033j2ZLj QevQelnt5gNGx/8H4vJoEhaj9THOob4M4D/THs6cD6N7Nl49LfMdo1z+TFG+GXeOR0wz 6Yv1kEIDlQL1Fd79iIDXzdHMx9Xxi4zSUxIShGbkGbYeglJAqVf+r5NQySccCzvkAgML 1EoA== yy3mr3206045vdb.25.1383155786831; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.253.201 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:56:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <20131030.130213.24697.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> From: Miq Millman Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:56:06 -0700 To: Matt Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Plasma cutter recommendation? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I got one of these after Inch's recommendation: http://amzn.com/B001OHTQO4 I haven't used it much. there is a cheaper on that has better reviews now: http://amzn.com/B004VFJL14 -- __ Miq Millman miq@bigllama.com Tualatin, OR Big Llama Productions On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Matt wrote: > I checked the archive but the only entries I found were way old - circa > 1999.I > thought Inch enlightenend us a bit within the last few years. Anyone care > to > pitch their sussess or failure with a relatively low end unit? TIA! > MattColumbus, GA > ________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 11:58:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356074443D for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:58:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77859443F5 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:58:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id vb8so1806753obc.5 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:56:42 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hUAQLg1tbuVZyG7xPpu04KZ060Uas2B8WsQiQMzKrhM=; b=e2suJ42hXBrWVYGNAWgEbp1GazJ/HxvXr7dZucIfHigNFjYV8lG46MWqF7sqSWch5p zHKCvDV/GoQSCfPBB48/zfANyxZUSlO3uckNJDY3l2BtJk4D1zZNfNShEoLefVRl05E7 81YKHks7VLY29E4Zu4WBmcs9SQ3z6J7Mij9tlOtxvtf6/v7EQsL+w2V0lsIIePpnI5yj RAKT8Sb4iINBuNILaXlCRpBtpbkOEtAbWmOsMERl1wiSHYa/AmZGdOA2mzntxM8HiBfl 1gzUAOSA965Nr2TwVO3+24jt/LyqDomp5UG+5vRYreRo3nQEodp+0CT3P2uOzw1qrCdM wSeg== cp7mr950048obb.82.1383155802674; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.134.231 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:56:42 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:56:42 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: eric@megageek.com Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storage Container Rental Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM, wrote: > Doug asks about containers... > > > Or, see if you can rent an enclosed trailer from a trailer dealer nearby. > They may have a used unit that they will rent for cheap (since it will not > really be used on the roads.) This also gives you the advantage of > rolling the trailer right next to the building to load/empty it, but then > you can move it away from the doorway to keep it from being in the way. > > If you can't rent it, maybe buy a used one and resell it when you are > done. They don't really depreciate in value (I bought one in 2010 and > recently resold if for $200 less than I paid for. Not bad for a 3 year > rental.) > Nice idea, renting or buying a trailer... Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 12:17:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A317544362 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:17:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 42A5F44351 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:16:55 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1383156927; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=hlRBUwkhEUW5iAlP4bomPYLzjZyP6mPkg2roiiQATU9rwomaUSfdKnGvB+94PP6qX QFGNhMXIIvG+yTy6ajuQOw6l70WatUeWvcGcYZfvIQtB4GOBrpjETBiL4CZxzfR9lb reEzIip7qzLlwMTftc2mILSe4LiHGvvcJSsD7xZE= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail04.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.144]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKHCVE2AZF4L8S for (sender ); Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.76.30.253] by webmail04.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:13:11 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:13:11 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] was container - now Shop Floor Treatment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Inch et al on the cutter info. For many years I dreamed of a smooth white perfect epoxy shop floor.Finally the day arrived to construct my 30x50 garagemahal and I chickened out.I ended up going power troweled finish with acid stain.The hangar where I work spent an exhorbitant amound on their floor, and despite the best prep & materials available (so they said) we continue to have problems with bubbling & lifting. Not to mention that it is downright hazardous if there is any moisture on the floor. I was ready to spend the $$ but didn't want to risk the significant disappointment should it fail as many do. I recall reading about a firm that supposedly had the floor thing licked and was the go to choice for all the NASCAR shops but I don't recall their name. One of the things I remember was that they added a significant amount of sand to their paint - not for a grippy finish, but to add bulk and durability to the paint layer. I still hold out that someone can assuage my fears and I may end up with my dream floor so I am interested in any success stories. Matt _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 12:26:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA2B4448C for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:26:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C084364F for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:23:15 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:01:05 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 10/30/2013 14:01:06, Serialize complete at 10/30/2013 14:01:06 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Plasma cutter recommendation? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Oh, I forgot to mention. The thing I hate the most about the Ramsond, is that UGLY paint scheme!!! Who choose those colors? McDonalds? 8>) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 12:35:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1CF4442A for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from webmail.cci-ir.com (webmail.cci-ir.com [173.164.21.58]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191784426E for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BNAVEX01.cci-ir.com ([fe80::412a:4b84:74d2:452d]) by BNAVEX01.cci-ir.com ([fe80::412a:4b84:74d2:452d%12]) with mapi id 14.02.0347.000; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:34:21 -0500 From: Gil Fuqua To: "eric@megageek.com" , "shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Plasma cutter recommendation? Thread-Index: AQHO1ZoA93U1Gr7SH0+0AlBysV5wT5oNkVzA Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:34:21 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [192.168.100.222] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Plasma cutter recommendation? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net But if wasn't for the wild paint scheme, it could not generate the BTUs that the unit converts to kilovolts, subsequently blending with cosmic matter to produce plasma that cuts the metal. The drab colored units are therefore not as powerful. It's true. I Googled it. Gil Fuqua Nashville -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of eric@megageek.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:01 PM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Plasma cutter recommendation? Oh, I forgot to mention. The thing I hate the most about the Ramsond, is that UGLY paint scheme!!! Who choose those colors? McDonalds? 8>) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gil.fuqua@cci-ir.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 13:44:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F05A446E8 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm38-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm38-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3CA4455E for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm38.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 19:40:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.217] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 19:40:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2013 19:40:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 87787 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2013 19:40:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383162004; bh=2dG470d1kNU/XaMTiF+QfnhCfCJn2fD4WSlOZY3ShK4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g8cTriNYBD4y6Lk4IXi5XIIMwuTyCBGQ5+yw2U2sNRk/K68jFyJkFXUbFB+JuUxhpQRRBil6PMAhAwU3uyHaITqB8r5py/MvkhC4gpudPOQwOduWtAQdZ79RpSUkAverCXF8NsniMkwN7qRjQgRZBu11P5gm3ADZPVdSEvlTwb8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Dkd9mEVsdkcGxAGu8WMDMkiLwydiNmOfBOgB39PnpQ7t5VuTwrXfuwrpRZQmh5mPLWQdwiQhWnrmntUx4oKt/TUhs6mUhfnozC+aW4+FtKnLMqre7PiW/fimQ/gg2rlsY6XR03Ms0nXnA03tjs6NKr30sEUHCF1Dyyafqxk0tfc=; bfM.vHwcuqYS1heKYgFexEswjuOy8RYnGepxleCyJM9VCo2rMVN94qRk2QZc tGYcggD.fKmRNFBEH3UmDsZafYRuCsjD6Z28qKYzlqfH975mcURIG3vCnQgb IoQ6eK4ipJim7nnY_ksCBrkq5zoomre6Yxlsj8Zx1xdXSq6cDee1U2PbCVsB YkIwpgdt7Qa8AV_76YD6MhIMiJpUi.UjuOZBU5ZCVTQCf81hXNc_MaNCBpQO 9GY8EQXLNRZfCcqcHYVRNM4_fiGmNIsGeZ3g0VdmHAyNWITOnCHkxAm8aGcW qr3o3nN8BTNAOvFcCXDnsiiKVEtEAUUdwHYH8RL8ggkonhycoxVpYTko51hY _9bxzmGlhmIL58y7ODzR6ExnbnyLz_qnty8G19KhNCnap56BH5cwk4wVPVWt tWleBQMuv40TWMm6h0lbikDaeX6GkvdKBPIWergQkaKXIPMCplIcSWrz1wqk P9xYjZhHxMaxSkYacZXpgBDBAQxbxzfqOzmRWiIIwHbP84gvPFXVzS3v0BQX yxYTjnXEfvm0XUvMj_ehJ4HAPpX_s5j6FeyWjkA-- Received: from [173.252.176.138] by web140006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:40:02 PDT RG9uJ3QgZm9yZ2V0IHRvIGNoZWNrIGxvY2FsIG9yZGluYW5jZXMgaWYgdGhleSByZXF1aXJlIGEgcGVybWl0LiBNeSBuZXcgbmVpZ2hib3Igd2FzIGNvbXBsYWluaW5nIGhlIGdvdCBjaXRlZCBmb3IgaGF2aW5nIGEgJ3BvZCcgd2l0aG91dCBhIHBlcm1pdC4gV2hlbiBJIGNoZWNrZWQgeWVhcnMgYWdvLCBpdCB3YXMgY2hlYXBlciB0byBtb3ZlIHRoZSBzdHVmZiB0byBsb2NhbCBzdG9yYWdlIGZhY2lsaXR5LgoKQnJpYW4KCgo.X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBGcm9tOiBEb3VnIEIBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:40:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storage Container Rental Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Don't forget to check local ordinances if they require a permit. My new neighbor was complaining he got cited for having a 'pod' without a permit. When I checked years ago, it was cheaper to move the stuff to local storage facility. Brian >________________________________ > From: Doug Braun >(snip) > >Hello, > >I was thinking of re-finishing my garage floor, and of course I would need >a place to put all the stuff in the garage for a month or two. Has anyone >ever rented a smaller shipping container or one of those PODS things? Any >idea what they charge? I would need them to deliver it to my driveway, >and take it away when I am finished with it. > >Thanks, >Doug >(snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 30 18:41:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8C643123 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:41:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF76743123 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r9V0dQBe028173; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 00:39:31 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Doug Braun" , "Shop-Talk" References: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 20:37:55 -0400 a=i8fVtPW5oWAA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=OjWtkkGPXCabgGTN4ZoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Storage Container Rental Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net When we remodeled our garage I rented a storage container to put all my tools & an MGA in during deconstruction/reconstruction. The cost was not unreasonable but I did feel ripped off about having to buy their lock. It is an odd style that I can't really use otherwise. Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- > > I was thinking of re-finishing my garage floor, and of course I would need > a place to put all the stuff in the garage for a month or two. Has anyone > ever rented a smaller shipping container or one of those PODS things? Any > idea what they charge? I would need them to deliver it to my driveway, > and take it away when I am finished with it. > > Thanks, > Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 09:11:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E7A43898 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:11:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s3.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s3.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5A243775 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W47 ([65.55.34.71]) by col0-omc2-s3.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 31 Oct 2013 08:06:34 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:06:34 -0400 FILETIME=[C9EBA270:01CED64A] Subject: [Shop-talk] Fiber Fix? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not talking about your breakfast cereal... Came across this in a random blog last night, wondering if anyone has heard of or used it?http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B009WSDWUG/downandoutint-20 Plan on picking up a box from amazon next chance I get to keep in the old "rescue bag" in my 85 Golf. Seems to have a similar purpose as the the silicone "rescue tape" I've picked up and actually had a chance to use (though not on the car, was helping the mother in law patch up a leaky hose on her pond pump) which works great. These types of things are pretty amazing stuff, and too cheap not to keep around the garage or car. -PJ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 09:53:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4435944309 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.155]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD59843775 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:51:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2013 15:50:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.193] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2013 15:50:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2013 15:50:27 -0000 s=s1024; t=1383234627; bh=WGq0gQqT/Q/dBnfc0rTFDfWWWWPR7GgirMBSL/n9WUY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Importance:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ls3QfRb52w8wjsf/eKv3CE1GQOvridypT0GSKXN7GoMT8AlsO6jXUi0s8tZnvWwYD439hyzFA3TtZOy5d1Wc+acDxUtr94Ara6ygZa4V0smZavksZmMjZ28z1w45HE54qWcm0PHHIwfq+XxlMpVc7HABcSp8jBMYtBRWC/0H7Mk= LAYCCdiXM0ItdFrbBohen0OkiMatlN2qPogABrbb0pDQWK7Q5l8dI_x.EDNW 1TrIq.1D8UOW4TwNl1CTOJckWAEhV5LK8I6rGdlDSnQc.h4RhciG6KhCzXhf v6aZBIsxOeCNjGXmylV9hWnH9306c6amDNYsMCZR1e.Q6BY.zYtdAtUu9Vzf 95i5n.UXVc2HLSn6g.XjY_wYpLROKeqOPW.Faj3R1qkuHbRMjW3HCOvWi6bI Wvxzc49toy_PcpiJL2K.6S.g5Tc_hMfEXU22uH5ddWn2aN.FC9YbihRf1SAC NhrfslyiQsgHgQMi64MVqnL083.Hq4gIRjVuXObjX1gLsrzzSzp6rZ8HZA6t IfGgPa2krEwNKjX9dcdXppbsU2kRiVoJSnITj012_QM6R.pwoHgRJI_xQAw1 2Q66YDf9CIVWOroRrtwJlGjFq5YFKfKdAXzWf7aZx3x0zD0URhLdo__fgsGR 6esjZrDq0EGHRoFuWmK726zwKzHUbhXEfHcxnWIf0srhpHznq015Su3w1bc4 JG1_M7Ji3y2gWs_f2RkqXZuCf_gBx2.zflw8NdJaPi0jvF5o_qN4AwL8jLMv ZaF2i8CPbTbpmkB3Zbha5czdVrNqHhTaBXLPB7CbQ.kNwo.sRL.FijGvddbz YC.KkD6cLPqQH_6t3C2IgVVsR4uPhsl3NRgGHx8PtYVOeZ3cSUrvIE6oszg- - by smtp202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2013 08:50:27 -0700 PDT Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:50:35 -0500 From: Rand E To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fiber Fix? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I just saw this on Shark Tank last week. -------- Original message -------- >From PJ McGarvey Date: 10/31/2013 10:06 AM (GMT-06:00) To Shop Talk Subject [Shop-talk] Fiber Fix? Not talking about your breakfast cereal... Came across this in a random blog last night, wondering if anyone has heard of or used it?http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B009WSDWUG/downandoutint-20 Plan on picking up a box from amazon next chance I get to keep in the old "rescue bag" in my 85 Golf.B Seems to have a similar purpose as the the silicone "rescue tape" I've picked up and actually had a chance to use (though not on the car, was helping the mother in law patch up a leaky hose on her pond pump) which works great.B These types of things are pretty amazing stuff, and too cheap not to keep around the garage or car. -PJ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 10:16:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2689436A9 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:16:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2E5431B7 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:16:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jpaR1m0030QkzPwA1sFJ49; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:15:18 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jsFJ1m00C2yr1eL8NsFJCz; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:15:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:15:18 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: PJ McGarvey s=q20121106; t=1383236118; bh=hqW8dsUrET97dAbs9XJbQ9DqFa8HjHnPsKmG7Vaiwf8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=bqU1YabXlRPPllgp322UESP1fRhmx+w6kjE1U675CFPtlo6uzrirHe6wrJurgx/Fs OTJGt0m3hNYgquC9zGh1IqHE4pHoWPJb1LXetcoYLBDq33lgvxUUxlfZs7GbFpbsWo 5TDuqX1aVcKw3gpk1B+tSIDrhZBpYiKRq0uwpre3B2buvMU6p0n7Q0fS70HF5yRnuX qqEu9nxbEsqoW2K3wmIYEVe0Haw6JC+b8afceKnl4BiZMDdf2oYEiYLE7PwbvXH9zC hnYNVXK+Y4e1Oi9dMh34Tj9gKSjtZaH5mLaBgkNbzPqxniJCdYSo3RwXwkZ2bihNqE wJYrMW4JMr54A== Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fiber Fix? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not sure how compatible "rigid" and "car hoses" are. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PJ McGarvey" > To: "Shop Talk" > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:06:34 AM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Fiber Fix? > Not talking about your breakfast cereal... > Came across this in a random blog last night, wondering if anyone has > heard of > or used > it?http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B009WSDWUG/downandoutint-20 > Plan on picking up a box from amazon next chance I get to keep in the > old > "rescue bag" in my 85 Golf. Seems to have a similar purpose as the the > silicone "rescue tape" I've picked up and actually had a chance to use > (though > not on the car, was helping the mother in law patch up a leaky hose on > her > pond pump) which works great. These types of things are pretty amazing > stuff, > and too cheap not to keep around the garage or car. > -PJ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 11:05:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5CA443C1 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s13.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s13.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E21B43820 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:05:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W4 ([65.55.34.71]) by col0-omc2-s13.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:03:52 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:03:51 -0400 References: , <2060704634.193993.1383236118204.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FILETIME=[2CF932A0:01CED65B] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fiber Fix? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, the rescue tape is what you want for hoses... > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:15:18 +0000 > From: pethier@comcast.net > To: pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com > CC: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fiber Fix? > > Not sure how compatible "rigid" and "car hoses" are. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "PJ McGarvey" > > To: "Shop Talk" > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:06:34 AM > > Subject: [Shop-talk] Fiber Fix? > > Not talking about your breakfast cereal... > > Came across this in a random blog last night, wondering if anyone has > > heard of > > or used > > it?http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B009WSDWUG/downandoutint-20 > > Plan on picking up a box from amazon next chance I get to keep in the > > old > > "rescue bag" in my 85 Golf. Seems to have a similar purpose as the the > > silicone "rescue tape" I've picked up and actually had a chance to use > > (though > > not on the car, was helping the mother in law patch up a leaky hose on > > her > > pond pump) which works great. These types of things are pretty amazing > > stuff, > > and too cheap not to keep around the garage or car. > > -PJ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 11:31:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA26A44313 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9A2430E4 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:29:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-211-60.morrisbb.com [173.246.211.60] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r9VHS2ES004533 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:28:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wc5813@gmail.com) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:27:56 -0400 From: w User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fiber Fix? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/31/2013 11:06 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > Not talking about your breakfast cereal... > Came across this in a random blog last night, wondering if anyone has heard of > or used it?http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B009WSDWUG/downandoutint-20 > Plan on picking up a box from amazon next chance I get to keep in the old Hmm, interesting sounding stuff. Seems plausible, but I'd have doubts it would work on dirty or non-rigid stuff. Like say a radiator hose. Could be useful for some stuff though. Another good hint: if you don't have transportation to medical professionals, steri-strips [you really should have these in your med cab or first aid kit] or a suture kit and ability & willingness to use it on yourself -- cut up strips of coffee filters applied with super glue work great on some pretty bad lacerations. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 13:08:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2106644502 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:08:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E172F445CF for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:07:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2013 19:05:54 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.242] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2013 19:05:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2013 19:05:53 -0000 TJmKDN_JKaGucbAVQRHXBSBhYhdRYCX2VwzsOn2e_lvlPkgv_q_jVlCQLilu LZSE0NukfZJ8F3nIj9ZRzqS_Jq2.urmdlZUyu8qXDEtGufTUefZdV_q7ov6L meY1z7.8T_W5qD0fwxa2UcFQZEjd8sIjWNllfUg.HSeK6NuqFuGYULiUmOsx l.JO5Ho7YPNDLFahVjp723V8i1imOLd9cR3vOmXofqGKSDsZu6SfOVG9UczV zlUdkdV43HWyASDzo35GMOWS.RPQavA_L5DoyMe8r93kyZ_zYQNXc9nZyfE0 3vcJv_G4mtcMkoZ86EHQ0TewN9qlByOLe9F4BwCt6vljfma7NG1fjx0.SEMx gelOkWjRh7sRLebSlVmWjj4_aJ60I6BS6rIZPohrQE0Wd1JbyaMYNKnUO6gc 31zPYwAAsEQbdWT48GIFx9obFcNzcoiIuCmyF2xPjZNES6tLzGE11b0wLLmI V6PNtqRFDV6cIUWtzPCqFUxiicKHzNAplH6rW91WTX.wK7u.txoUudcmzeJw UZWn6DDV4kkTbmUI- smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2013 19:05:53 +0000 UTC From: "Karl Vacek" To: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:05:57 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7WagmoT52tXHzuRcWI5mrTOPFbPg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Shop-talk] Nibbler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I need a nibbler to cut a hole in a furnace plenum with the side of the A-coil right behind where I need to cut. Having just finished cutting the old humidifier opening larger for a new humidifier, and I will NOT try to use aviation snips to make a neat little hole in this tight area. Horrible Freight has an air nibbler, but I'd really like something better - the reviews say their dies break way too easily. What a surprise that Chinese steel is weak. Does someone make a good electric nibbler? A good hand nibbler, with good leverage? There used to be nibbler attachments that chuck right into an electric drill, and the demos at Oshkosh many years ago were impressive. I'd even buy an air nibbler, though that's my last choice because of the decreased versatility. What works well? Thanks! Karl _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 14:11:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3E642761 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:11:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328AE4043C for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:11:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f170.google.com with SMTP id ex4so364874wid.1 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:09:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=K0lJ3MgLSS8WmeidCq+pkQqTzz55kbRFKb2Wb3B09s0=; b=PtvjOT9+2sWfCW5sCDlzwbdjgh+/Y5UA8HOEM7Pqvw7V1dg+eMsdA3Om2Ujg9mjqZN npp7/JV9IDsIlMOhlTpGxGEpJNcpgtIE/sIoCBLHB39mI2X+UAdWG3/p9sepDotpF+UL rF5xNsLCNLZsdk6bJ8q0kGqBI5NXWSc5PQQN9glXNoIpeFqe4E6tyoFkfkvIRgw9l2YK e5OxiWBqg8aDJpBZMnuuLs5fWldElrpuY/YA4W0am2g+qFPu5WAae7Tq2+OCLSiVbdMq 0hmUKf+3iILRLPKjbS0smGGVcBSuOAt4LEX3TineRCzo7Rdi7or7cbEIq0Ahz9hmvZGY wH6Q== ci10mr880252wib.41.1383250178407; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.136.241 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:09:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <003901ced66c$3b462d70$b1d28850$@Ameritech.net> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:09:38 -0400 From: Benjamin Zwissler To: Karl Vacek Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nibbler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've had an HF air nibbler for several years and had no problem. I tend not to use just because of the mess it makes - I'm picking up little crescent moon shaped pieces of metal forever after each use. I have seen the drill mounted ones advertised but can't tell you where off the top of my head. Ben.... On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Karl Vacek wrote: > I need a nibbler to cut a hole in a furnace plenum with the side of the > A-coil right behind where I need to cut. Having just finished cutting the > old humidifier opening larger for a new humidifier, and I will NOT try to > use aviation snips to make a neat little hole in this tight area. > > > > Horrible Freight has an air nibbler, but I'd really like something better - > the reviews say their dies break way too easily. What a surprise that > Chinese steel is weak. Does someone make a good electric nibbler? A good > hand nibbler, with good leverage? There used to be nibbler attachments > that > chuck right into an electric drill, and the demos at Oshkosh many years ago > were impressive. I'd even buy an air nibbler, though that's my last choice > because of the decreased versatility. > > > > What works well? > > > > Thanks! > Karl > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 14:29:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4EC4461B for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA8142EED for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.50.6] ([38.103.208.34]) by p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id jwJ41m0080l45Le01wJ49K; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:18:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:17:57 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <003901ced66c$3b462d70$b1d28850$@Ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nibbler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ebay #290999892885, $40. No connection, may be cheaper ones listed, found first one listed and stopped there. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Benjamin Zwissler > I've had an HF air nibbler for several years and had no problem. I tend > not to use just because of the mess it makes - I'm picking up little > crescent moon shaped pieces of metal forever after each use. > > I have seen the drill mounted ones advertised but can't tell you where off > the top of my head. > > Ben.... > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Karl Vacek wrote: > >> I need a nibbler to cut a hole in a furnace plenum with the side of the >> A-coil right behind where I need to cut. Having just finished cutting the >> old humidifier opening larger for a new humidifier, and I will NOT try to >> use aviation snips to make a neat little hole in this tight area. >> >> >> >> Horrible Freight has an air nibbler, but I'd really like something better - >> the reviews say their dies break way too easily. What a surprise that >> Chinese steel is weak. Does someone make a good electric nibbler? A good >> hand nibbler, with good leverage? There used to be nibbler attachments >> that >> chuck right into an electric drill, and the demos at Oshkosh many years ago >> were impressive. I'd even buy an air nibbler, though that's my last choice >> because of the decreased versatility. >> >> >> >> What works well? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> Karl >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 14:39:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855C7446FC for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B0D40448 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:29:35 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=EiTDUtrCmpAA:10 a=O8Ea_FZfUQP_k5JC0fkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D6/9D-01931-84DB2725; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:27:53 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:28:12 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac7WagmoT52tXHzuRcWI5mrTOPFbPgAC+5ng Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nibbler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not what you want to hear, but I bought an HF air nibbler for the same exact purpose (except there wasn't a coil inside the plenum). It worked perfectly for that one job, and IMO will have been worth the money even if I never use it again. It was some hassle snaking air hose up in the attic (where the plenum was), but not a lot worse than pulling an extension cord into the same area. Took 100 ft of 3/8" hose plus 25 feet of 1/4" to reach from my compressor, but the nibbler seemed to work OK even with all that hose. Don't recall for certain, but I think I used the unregulated air port, which would be about 130 psi with my old single-stage compressor. I'd take the same approach again. If you were local, I'd even loan you the nibbler, but it's not worth shipping back and forth across country. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 31 18:21:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AD544746 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8A043670 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:12:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131031235725.JUHC3846.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:57:25 -0400 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.210.224]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id jzxQ1m00J4r2cfs01zxQsU; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:57:24 -0400 a=ky0MwW04HwdASv6tPzMY4w==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=EiTDUtrCmpAA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=kys2UyXWj07vxxawFQMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=joAx4DmQueorXIA5:21 a=2NPd98PhxzHdz5su:21 a=5kdxaCM7W_-l4pY1QdAA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=upQCA6GsYCUA:10 a=Oxkwg7vAvMZ-ywwO:21 a=ky0MwW04HwdASv6tPzMY4w==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:50:59 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: "John T. Blair" References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nibbler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 03:05 PM 10/31/2013, you wrote: >I need a nibbler to cut a hole in a furnace plenum with the side of the >A-coil right behind where I need to cut. ...... I have had a Harbor Freight nibbler for many years and have been very happy with it, altough I don't use it a lot. For those that haven't used one yet, one comment, be very careful when you use them if you have pets. You don't want your dog stepping on the chips. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive