From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 18:17:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B6642B00 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 18:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8BA42AEE for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 18:14:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6BCA020C for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 18:14:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 18:14:41 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Faucet fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net So our Price-Pfister kitchen faucet has been leaking a bit, flow has been diminishing and the nylon stub that holds the handle in place has gotten worn to the point that the little set screw doesn't really hold it in place anymore. So I get a replacement cartridge for 20 bucks at Lowe's, got it installed just now. No leaks, solid handle attachment - nice. But the water only dribbles out. It would probably take 15 minutes to fill a coffee cup. What fun. Hopefully I can figure it out before the wife gets home and wants dinner. mjb. ps: Can someone Paypal a few hundred thousand to me? It might be easier to just buy a new house ;-) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 18:32:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D5942B14 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 18:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED39542AEE for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 18:22:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 805m1m00416AWCUAE0NyL4; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 00:22:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([76.115.29.194]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 80Nu1m00l4BHMfQ8S0Nw2i; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 00:22:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:22:50 -0700 From: MattMahony User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <51FC4B71.4070205@bradakis.com> s=q20121106; t=1375489378; bh=AT7kn2xsfj1oenmg0tb0JEow52h0mnVhSA+FyP13PAU=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=drKtncH3KaF87GiKGw7qC2md3cg7WWmW1vq9+QLzvfRghHmZKq22t09AQhwAjJSeR cZYM+YdL0wUdxdfFEeSTZ/5g513FeAAxrbIhLhkYePPAzO8PfrlQiAUnvsx859Wa9X QC1Eojejmzd0evvrgBjJ+cefKVHT9N6176SE/fJ/DsUbdyuNaj6vWb0E44ygOhhwtG +Riw+5vRp+SiLv5YT/f9MYhSnbANAnfTEELxmeRl8mJbJE5U9DSzFHG66gKDcufWxO 1i4Br6DXkK8mfwSF1MVdM26NDQ65qB96v8ZkHJo0SurHafVgiOY4r4VjTIslvHxcrU EwsZfZRadIFdw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Faucet fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mark; Try removing and cleaning the aerator at the end of the spigot. Debris from the deteriorating cartridge is plugging it up. Matt On 8/2/2013 5:14 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > So our Price-Pfister kitchen faucet has been leaking a bit, flow has > been diminishing > and the nylon stub that holds the handle in place has gotten worn to > the point that the > little set screw doesn't really hold it in place anymore. > > So I get a replacement cartridge for 20 bucks at Lowe's, got it > installed just now. > No leaks, solid handle attachment - nice. But the water only dribbles > out. It would > probably take 15 minutes to fill a coffee cup. What fun. > > Hopefully I can figure it out before the wife gets home and wants dinner. > > mjb. > > ps: Can someone Paypal a few hundred thousand to me? It might be > easier to > just buy a new house ;-) > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mattmahony@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 18:32:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E628F42B56 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 18:32:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.192.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7A1403F4 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 18:30:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([12.162.141.2]) by p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 80Vn1m00M03JK1Y010Vp2X; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 17:29:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:29:41 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <51FC4B71.4070205@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Faucet fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, Remove the airiator from the faucet and see if the water flow is better. If you have a sprayer hose on the faucet, see if it also lacks flow. If the flow is still slow, pull the cartridge and then turn on the water EASILY and see if you have flow up out of the faucet housing. If so, the problem is with the cartridge or something after it. It could be that turning off the water caused the rubber seals in the stops under the sink to come apart, blocking water flow. Don't worry about the problem with the wife seeing it, I assume this is in the kitchen in your shop! 8>} Peace, Pat Thusly spake Mark J Bradakis > So our Price-Pfister kitchen faucet has been leaking a bit, flow has > been diminishing > and the nylon stub that holds the handle in place has gotten worn to > the point that the > little set screw doesn't really hold it in place anymore. > > So I get a replacement cartridge for 20 bucks at Lowe's, got it > installed just now. > No leaks, solid handle attachment - nice. But the water only dribbles > out. It would > probably take 15 minutes to fill a coffee cup. What fun. > > Hopefully I can figure it out before the wife gets home and wants dinner. > > mjb. > > ps: Can someone Paypal a few hundred thousand to me? It might be > easier to > just buy a new house ;-) > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 18:46:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC52A42B3F for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 18:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE4A42AE5 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 18:40:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2013 00:40:33 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.241] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2013 00:40:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2013 00:40:33 -0000 J.LKygs972i2h.oBcnqjRQqm9ayQZkSmF0fDZuxqBIl2yvrsjsiQMVAXjrZu BrQTtlJ0dXQMbsl6okw6JLPO0IMjPIwNpMkPjfD18_lCXq5f1O4BVIKzLAgz UeZXjlrXLMTbEmS0x_gSULgB_4zArcoYM0Fzi0whVKU.ZoeosuM0MPNpq7SM 1YBf9AfVZTW1_ToTtP_wOhkVZEiuTnCbXoFIOKj4MslZPaB7iUwqhv7kSp9S jrxUu6EEDB6tpQZl1FCnmbMIpcAG1eu0EMlTQy5oyxkriBQe9UlUkWTzb5fQ MyGjF95M2KRE5zKCkvEeG3_XeThCAk0Sv34u25.q_IeDrljux.qNW_soUa.R vMgKYW4Ea.me5AIrXlhQZ3oqCAd1MH5m49VcTWGGFkUJVNF5lq_AGEB4YiCu 7CZJYbjUYzghUWXrLrz.ntfE0KQlPHaE61OZZT0Sov9yFqB5T.DPKR3SRJvO nTbuqkRa_6OFhEjA.7s8idl.2z6oUaD3n_af3OLaYjf.nLjh0.XFriwN5 smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Aug 2013 17:40:33 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , References: <51FC4B71.4070205@bradakis.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 19:40:33 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJ1fFlz/EbsNMh7m+8Wi4I6rhnDopg0yySQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Faucet fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Shouldn't the topic have been Pfaucet Pfun ? -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis Subject: [Shop-talk] Faucet fun So our Price-Pfister kitchen faucet has been leaking a bit _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 19:17:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809AF42A10 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 19:17:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE46740546 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 19:16:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B84AA020C for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 19:16:19 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:16:19 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <51FC4B71.4070205@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Faucet fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well that was pfestive. Getting the faucet apart was the biggest hurdle. It took some time just to figure out what tool I needed to get the first setscrew out - Torx T10. Then with all the scale and corrosion it took some time to get the handle off, then get the rest of the parts freed up. Reassembly was no problem with freely moving, clean parts. But it didn't work, so I took a break. Relaxed with a cold beverage, then went back to it. And, as suggested, the aerator was completely clogged. It seemed odd, because I had cleaned it before swapping out the faucet cartridge as well as the charcoal cartridge in the filter. If only I had waited until after I messed with it to clean, could have saved myself a few minutes. But all is well now. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 19:49:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F62E42B59 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 19:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0098042A10 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 19:42:04 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 21:24:15 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/02/2013 21:24:16, Serialize complete at 08/02/2013 21:24:16 Subject: [Shop-talk] Since we are talking about pfaucets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, here is the background. My house has a water pump that supplies water to my house, and two other buildings. One building is above the level of my house. This works OK, but I need to increase the water pressure to the upper building. It's supplied by a 3/4" pvc pipe. There is NO chance of increasing that line. Best would be a pump and/or tank that I can put in my house since I have lots of space where the line leaves. The other building has very little 'extra' space, so anything I put up there needs to be pretty compact. Any ideas? Do they make anything for this situation? Thanks! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 20:04:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84EE42B5D for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BAA442B42 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=NolSYlDIx5MA:10 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=GSYjWKJdAAAA:20 a=bOwCjKyIAAAA:20 a=pTIz7jloVjiPflOAqqAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=mDIYo9i2ZakA:10 a=fN2J7l6Gh3oA:10 a=rRpFqE4qTy8A:10 a=ALskHw3RlqwA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:59730] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id EC/D5-14128-E056CF15; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 02:03:58 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 2:03:58 +0000 From: Randall To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net, eric@megageek.com Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Since we are talking about pfaucets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- eric@megageek.com wrote: > Any ideas? Do they make anything for this situation? Evidently so. A quick Google for "water pressure booster" turned up lots of options and some "how to" videos. Here's a unit at HF: http://goo.gl/YVSkaK Lots cheaper than what I would have done, which is just install another well-type pump & pressure tank. It shouldn't care if you feed it water at 40 psi instead of -10 or whatever. - Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 21:25:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A464542A6A for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 21:25:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CA140572 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 21:25:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.176] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2013 03:25:45 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.212] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2013 03:25:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2013 03:25:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1375500345; bh=MaPaYsZD04x5pawHV/riAL2rqJclnwKhS9GCfoPnc5M=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=1IYjD5vu+vvtnp+MxtZ3scWHp9qWS1EcCn/U7uZ30FwbAO+2dmOcJKBMIInuHCelrD/1ZtpDtF/7S/X0q2LL68yb1mcFFusiT3mvZmVxH4NKc7G5LaTiTP6JMWy+RxWrECIE2bleVLDcXiR9+wyO/k8ha5him/SKAu4kpXMK8nw= L6nyqr0oa.i1TcSYJ1UrxJ1EXtHUVsCCTkJp8XphPd3GjJxZvhHVsy7SFRuY vrGcXbuDkxDeE7Nybt3YMQEgykZObBxpeNbNQrHDHgKfqv7MaiLOZ2Mk6KG5 YvwSNB.DSkgMK7qy_tNiCkQrwtspmK_7XicXRCU1r_r65cEvaI9aorYeMCqx 2wE7RX6a2t9NngGPR5qMA75CKQoNfo.yalD1xMNNQ7KZBo6hVZ5wzXJGYDdc OEz7Jl0_mawYVkx4Rlq6L2vxAgpsuBNzgrccfWPakpMBdTtSe.ZOZM5VjyYm iTvsSXsY5lvK1a7QLj.KFAupnTxckOfVkXvHWa.F1lkq4_kqGbmk5daMXzen xCEw1BfP0jntlBpLspk0V9GIM5FbXwJb3vLzvQCVeN8B2_ay0nY94CufBMlk Vvf63FnzgeeIPiZC7_2yY8H9zrp5Z4jKHsv174BESEtyZTQtJjd42KMrTG8p hZtvMUh26GO4OPnFk8stLRFJpsj1DJbG6_p9gC1aze.DQ7V6Nu90nMRPbc7m 5rxMRbgizeUtRq2FHi12wk69FNZaEjaR.W4Apqb.mulnytA-- smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Aug 2013 20:25:45 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: References: <51FC4B71.4070205@bradakis.com> <51FC59E3.9090902@bradakis.com> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:25:54 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6P50NSVojvMzx5RVC5EE/biV4A/gAEY8Rg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Faucet fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, So no one needs to send a few hunderd thou. . . . . . -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 6:16 PM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Faucet fun Well that was pfestive. Getting the faucet apart was the biggest hurdle. It took some time just to figure out what tool I needed to get the first setscrew out - Torx T10. Then with all the scale and corrosion it took some time to get the handle off, then get the rest of the parts freed up. Reassembly was no problem with freely moving, clean parts. But it didn't work, so I took a break. Relaxed with a cold beverage, then went back to it. And, as suggested, the aerator was completely clogged. It seemed odd, because I had cleaned it before swapping out the faucet cartridge as well as the charcoal cartridge in the filter. If only I had waited until after I messed with it to clean, could have saved myself a few minutes. But all is well now. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 21:36:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D708A42B73 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 21:36:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD94540572 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 21:29:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E58A020C for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 21:29:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 21:29:04 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <51FC4B71.4070205@bradakis.com> <51FC59E3.9090902@bradakis.com> <1EADE812AB524FA7A3262D7330315673@EntCentPC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Faucet fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jack Brooks wrote: > Mark, > > So no one needs to send a few hunderd thou. . . . . . > Well, uh, er, I guess not. Oh well, it was worth a shot. Or a beer and a shot. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 2 21:36:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1C842B87 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 21:36:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7796D40562 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 21:30:12 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IwVp9xFeh8xoMm7JueLWHhXKJNWq9t/ooUM9GLoLJaLnfnlcqj8QzFR/IbCiZqMT; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.10.156.4] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1V5SXh-00065v-7Y; Fri, 02 Aug 2013 23:30:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 20:29:14 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: eric@megageek.com References: Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Since we are talking about pfaucets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, Here are two TV segments on the subject. http://www.ronhazelton.com/projects/how_to_increase_water_pressure_in_your_home http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/video/0,,20305378,00.html Randall's link is probably much more affordable. Brian On 8/2/2013 6:24 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Ok, here is the background. > > My house has a water pump that supplies water to my house, and two other > buildings. One building is above the level of my house. > > This works OK, but I need to increase the water pressure to the upper > building. It's supplied by a 3/4" pvc pipe. There is NO chance of > increasing that line. > > Best would be a pump and/or tank that I can put in my house since I have > lots of space where the line leaves. > > The other building has very little 'extra' space, so anything I put up > there needs to be pretty compact. > > Any ideas? Do they make anything for this situation? > > Thanks! > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 07:55:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF92942A6D for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 07:55:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail966c35.carrierzone.com (mail966c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12824044F for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 07:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail966c35.carrierzone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail966c35.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r73DoJqM006800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:50:19 GMT Received: (from webmail@localhost) by mail966c35.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.12.2/Submit) id r73DoJbL006799; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:50:19 GMT Received: from 152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov (152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov [152.133.7.64]) by webmail2.centurytel.net (Webmail 4.0 V.V.I.) with HTTP for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:50:19 -0400 From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: , "Jack Brooks" Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 09:50:19 -0400 User-Agent: Webmail 4.0 a=vFMCQZgPscsA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=GPr01A5e9VcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=QiQcBifw3rKpjI8epQikPQ==:17 a=k2uYgbx-L8fGQ4-ecvUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=sQsZ6kOVNEgA:10 a=7P48gVZqS90A:10 a=WkljmVdYkabdwxfqvArNOQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Faucet fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > So no one needs to send a few hunderd thou. . . . . . Well, I got an email the other day about a whole lot of money tied up in a Nigerian bank. If y'all send me some cash I'll forward it along and then we can all split the proceeds... Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 12:02:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3A740447 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:02:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f51.google.com (mail-yh0-f51.google.com [209.85.213.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3E240439 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 29so825567yhl.24 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:53:11 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=19shVN2yk6qY+yMfCNOsWM9Lgx3CN583pAIm6BKVMpc=; b=ka+qMPMn7w29526qJt5a+9RTT7trP2/Jx+zvw500tGj/rwobbVjiEvJ/d5GIi/75vZ AFlZebKU97neQlsKprudNmVE9FHG7wdht102IIGvxy4Cqlv3loYor8eVJlPVNO+5WVDW BLMBWORjaRdQWx06JJRAyw/CA1npJk/FsYrIQTiSJ4E198HmqJGjLObI1d03kPH3nYPo hY9mRYTuTpWWK3ovCyFpze3yCkUYwJUMaaqJZ047EBOITrcvPSOTOmIkDCONQ8E18UfT jRArVKnsIo+N6XjzX+ViFUTSbXDIIB5kicv4vjhq0BjN6rhhcHYNtk2Kqs/NRjIqfSgK vYLg== g43mr7381717yho.38.1375552391071; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.138.80.89] (mobile-166-147-100-120.mycingular.net. [166.147.100.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g39sm21606425yhb.13.2013.08.03.10.53.06 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 03 Aug 2013 10:53:09 -0700 (PDT) From: David Scheidt Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:53:04 -0500 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Fix or replace washer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Weve got a 15 or so old ge washing machine. I believe the timer has failed. The motor runs if I jumper it. My question is it worth fixing. Timer is $100 or &150, depending on source and wait time. It's a plastic tub machine, not quite bottom of line, but close. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 12:19:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A46E40520 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:19:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205DB4054B for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:09:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id n12so3540278oag.39 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:09:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=awvQx0p5mO0HhGAttkhke1vCL4MdRU2rtESAE1OJWxI=; b=bp8iQE5vIuu5nYOJAJbspdBkWAQoT2T1t/j8Q5ORCY6DZSJDOltnOeDJGybZs+sNN+ ExTnfZRjMKVMTvvxkiXgSsNXWkshC9BMn4aokQiWyKncVyO2MyrIF4zNt5bT+4aCfNov B9GLrQEjOapWvWGPl5uuEoPD1WTjzhGGyDSpLikJbNoO/0gAyCEyFUjaU6BHGwNF1zUO CgUV+uAfLTzKabL9I8uh26TgV1NhrYfb3yWxHJXKGNL6rtGsjhkVtaLkRm+UQRGDmRme VH/xIqfUvAt4Ob9vjRTvro0mhCb0Q2hIo6K26VEb30kuUGkQw5EoxHN1IqkApOK2fWyq sgmg== nl4mr446831igb.38.1375553351515; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.17.138 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:09:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <9331187E-2412-4248-944D-890EB3CBC86E@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:09:11 -0400 From: Paul Parkanzky To: David Scheidt Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fix or replace washer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Unless you're itching for the satisfaction you get from fixing it yourself, I'd junk it. You can buy a used washing machine on Craigslist for $100 that is newer than that anytime you want one. Especially when you say that you "believe" that the timer has failed. -Paul On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > Weve got a 15 or so old ge washing machine. I believe the timer has failed. > The motor runs if I jumper it. My question is it worth fixing. Timer is > $100 > or &150, depending on source and wait time. It's a plastic tub machine, not > quite bottom of line, but close. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 12:36:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3314054F for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A361B40422 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:36:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id xn12so3242072obc.34 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:36:35 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=p+ho9HuOaZom88F61AkNkxjVtoePVDzdnaLG/pF355E=; b=D7/EIDm6DeQQe7pPSp5FcXbs349KSPgpTZN0qazRsn4XVi04Ox7fXVqf3n/5kmp94B 9F8dldgWNSO37HlikaH72LKhqkhVqsXSnS+Iq5GGabxxH4/cMIuAXZLII3Di9c0ROM4L nlj7uUnU+HFOIDFFoRWYgvAwleG0Cpe8IDcdXeI1hP3x+QZUY42rqynMr7GaY0v/2iff UZyrWtkbiVgrxH39lVMiuMtxm2gqAk5rnkBKVpPyRbVSamW5ue/Sa4FCyQmoRZMpIPBd VoFcm5DEN8uH3t+mqaAznD61wUojCT0oTF6CvXGvHftrnQ/tGioj2a0x1Yv3Ednvm01j iGbg== vy8mr9341064oeb.72.1375554995272; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 11:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.149.67 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.149.67 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:36:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <9331187E-2412-4248-944D-890EB3CBC86E@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:36:35 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: David Scheidt Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fix or replace washer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Junk it! On Aug 3, 2013 2:03 PM, "David Scheidt" wrote: > Weve got a 15 or so old ge washing machine. I believe the timer has failed. > The motor runs if I jumper it. My question is it worth fixing. Timer is > $100 > or &150, depending on source and wait time. It's a plastic tub machine, not > quite bottom of line, but close. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 13:24:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C866040525 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:24:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE7540510 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-200-206.morrisbb.com [173.246.200.206] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r73JKlAN015128 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:20:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 15:20:42 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <9331187E-2412-4248-944D-890EB3CBC86E@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fix or replace washer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/3/2013 1:53 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > Weve got a 15 or so old ge washing machine. I believe the timer has failed. > The motor runs if I jumper it. My question is it worth fixing. Timer is $100 > or &150, depending on source and wait time. It's a plastic tub machine, not > quite bottom of line, but close. I'm a big fan of "fix it", but if it's that old and an econo' model I'd be inclined to replace. The [ex]wife & I had a cheap GE top-load washer back in 2003. Then we had a recently divorced family member shack up with us for a while till she was back on her feet. During that time we bought a Whirpool Duet front-loader pair, and I freakin' love the things, despite the price tag. My propane (hot water) and electric bill actually dropped noticeably after buying it, WITH a 3rd person in the house. And it didn't shred the ladies' delicate [expensive] stuff like the old agitator did. It spins the water out in the washer, so you don't have to burn crazy energy to overcome water's absurd latent heat of vaporization to boil it out in the dryer. Electric dryer load usually finishes in under 30 [sometimes 20] minutes. Caveat: dryer puked a temp sensor 1 month out of warranty. Both units have an extensive printed service manual inside the cabinet if you pull 3 screws to get in. Self diagnostics are easy. Parts was $20 and an easy install. Local small town appliance shop didn't even ask what it was, they had a box right behind the counter. Whirlpool's quality is a little spotty, but parts are cheap and they're easy to work on. G.E. parts are expensive, and I despise their corporation. The Korean brands look good but I don't know about getting them services. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 13:30:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B9340510 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2C040569 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:22:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id w20so1216676lbh.19 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:22:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NE0bLv/gTV5HXtgE5kbAWvuOvnliHu/cZQr3zudWIMk=; b=DuuSR3yHsoxqU3EWJW6T/wk6mWYoaWFkTC4xGZgOBcQ6SyX9xpMvAP94549CCEbuWq pWwlGDTMq3fsrZDfMD2SmDlQ0oGZiTd9PZKtHi4ota4qvjuZ+LgMtx+yYqwFIWA2+JS5 xoTVe2muiIdjdfBsnBZuc7UWLVWBGSGZXXXxIeqUluGjx1o2oi6ZQ8ZUeXferckorL6C eGed3jimFyym+wR8VEmLQZfYwqY/qRW8bQIhDS5O6RGLCvaSBcsRuyZoUJNGxK0bCYLT MIVl3mAJtifQ1Zka9V9D6g1hjH7m7IeDQKFyAKwBIO0bsPCWxMmMEe8OtAkmkMY/0X4v eP4Q== k10mr4953343lbg.27.1375557777309; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.175.37 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:22:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <9331187E-2412-4248-944D-890EB3CBC86E@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:22:57 -0700 From: Shannah Miller To: David Scheidt Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fix or replace washer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'd go for a hybrid approach: get a new(er) washing machine, and use the tub and any other suitable parts to make a really nice firepit. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:53 AM, David Scheidt wrote: > Weve got a 15 or so old ge washing machine. I believe the timer has failed. > The motor runs if I jumper it. My question is it worth fixing. Timer is > $100 > or &150, depending on source and wait time. It's a plastic tub machine, not > quite bottom of line, but close. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shannahquilts@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 13:37:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3AE4054C for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:37:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com (mail-la0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9522D4043F for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:25:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id ev20so1189167lab.36 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:25:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=CHnU6MgiKr5bhVkoL01GGC88wkVJEcEGkJODjqTGEgM=; b=VAmpLfKGOXHD/Gyexq7CEvY9n2wEfJI7NIBlfKWOtec1j5/ErA99NFRKPyKGFKLTJX m+q6IVZ7D9zvbkx2k2hc5eZSPXkWSx8gkHVA4/G2gW95Hzu3pQi8jyAR+nFoWlKQbe50 qWr/PbUDZ4SplPuirfRW6yzuCx1z0ZaKY2rEG9jC6oO1RPaYjjXNbRJA8GNWuS5sCGf0 VpdeB8f+SMxegg++rGIJVWcSP6e4UtQMfLCdGbihoA8kzPqXkbgMoChqFsczHTnS7cQZ UPx0VLmVJpey3CPQlOnmQijSAHihMYb3lEWFbO5voMFb3mGc4Zpj9Zwlej44wnELMzLM rnWw== jt5mr5480370lab.2.1375557950268; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 12:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.175.37 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:25:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <9331187E-2412-4248-944D-890EB3CBC86E@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 12:25:50 -0700 From: Shannah Miller To: David Scheidt Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fix or replace washer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Can I take back that comment? I missed the part about it being a plastic tub washer, and that would make a lousy firepit. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Shannah Miller wrote: > I'd go for a hybrid approach: get a new(er) washing > machine, and use the tub and any other suitable parts > to make a really nice firepit. > > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:53 AM, David Scheidt wrote: > >> Weve got a 15 or so old ge washing machine. I believe the timer has >> failed. >> The motor runs if I jumper it. My question is it worth fixing. Timer is >> $100 >> or &150, depending on source and wait time. It's a plastic tub machine, >> not >> quite bottom of line, but close. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shannahquilts@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 14:54:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF05E4054A for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com (mail-pb0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD96A4044F for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id mc17so1911369pbc.4 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:53:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jt22lAfTBGY3cC0Oj3+04fep3zm2nyFDd2ChIaV55As=; b=IRBpStnVvPOu8nZWEgCM3qX1uoP0820DXdjO2xDJWWWidKaScdfx0zf3Ae5ELavizv UqO9DC+plcs0pdnytLki48RjJxcAp1Z2+01VBrsOSj6IZv8mCcv4dd0KvEiW4L5PvPmV RweDsUT8Ef/LqnmHCjvMcox2yZEbf6vD6u2XTd1nppKA36/UXdiZ7zqKiur+y6lxmsyR hr3BHahuXbdId8yUGt5MvcnvJx7T9Lz87ntZyDO6IOzYAgl9Ejg3kOKerpWnKhBC0+Mo 9LfU7zC3qERlDlakhJaTQCIQFKZDjE7bVqWw6lD7fX5Bn95KzqtCUQGRo5BCN1rNbnqH c6/Q== kq9mr14404572pbc.190.1375563181433; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 13:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.86.34 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:53:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130803020358.NC4W9.32933.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:53:01 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Randall , shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Since we are talking about pfaucets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- eric@megageek.com wrote: > > > Any ideas? Do they make anything for this situation? > > Evidently so. A quick Google for "water pressure booster" turned up lots > of options and some "how to" videos. > > Here's a unit at HF: > http://goo.gl/YVSkaK > > Lots cheaper than what I would have done, which is just install another > well-type pump & pressure tank. It shouldn't care if you feed it water at > 40 psi instead of -10 or whatever. > > Well, a pressure tank and pump is the right way to go. The tank and its reservoir give the supply side constant pressure and flow. Just a pump will lag when a faucet goes on, and is more likely to water hammer when the faucet goes off. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 3 14:57:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E8C4274E for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7211B40046 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2013 14:56:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Lpi1m0011afHeLADLwvPy; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:56:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.82.100] ([71.235.119.87]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Lwt1m00D1tDsSn8dLwuxV; Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:56:55 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2013 16:56:54 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <9331187E-2412-4248-944D-890EB3CBC86E@gmail.com> s=q20121106; t=1375563415; bh=SW3TIknktQ1gzW3gK9pYTRPh/0ohz2LJFp+2iuqVxZg=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=j5235P+3rG87+V0T6QgFpjkkvtYRLwxtlcYLFPKIbKVvDPfak+Un0EEBLiJ5OJVAk zDbvoHZSGala9cimtVZS4shP4/e+KvjQ0qYaXC+yx3EHUWj1OBG/SVi3HEZKjusY1g Et9vICXtqzyNaowj6YeWqLveNuFvTljwH1y88bD73p1oZA4nBcOkfnKCx8HBqHgAFq L++ooGimDXOGNoL3atDPbKPmLJsWfWgVGL5KELf54MogTmgpT1MuMZfWVOZxYA79GN qiHUFHE0ag9ObJBFSy+VwEvFlmDY+vNn4ae2Wx+FXLSDpVLjkwtsXaQ9zWkSliw9W7 E+PeQZZreDgCA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fix or replace washer? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/3/2013 1:53 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > Weve got a 15 or so old ge washing machine. I believe the timer has failed. > The motor runs if I jumper it. My question is it worth fixing. Timer is $100 > or &150, depending on source and wait time. It's a plastic tub machine, not > quite bottom of line, but close. At 15 years, the timer was probably just the first part to go. Motor or transmission is next. The springs for self balance are probably stretched by now. Aging rubber hoses and deteriorating plastic parts (exposed to ozone created by the motor) which could ruin other things if they leak. I'm a fan of fix it. I replaced a transmission after 5 years and got another 5 years out of it. But if you factor the time plus another major part and trips to the laundry mat (which ain't cheap) you starting to approach the cost of a newer better machine. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 19:26:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DE34282D for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA39406A2 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2013 01:22:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.102]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8BE23AE6 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 01:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by localhost (filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.102]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id LAYO2lx8sTPh for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 01:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-151-216.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.151.216]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 14D0517CEA for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 01:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 18:22:38 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: 'Shop Talk List' Subject: [Shop-talk] Recoil starter repair? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I need to replace the nylon pull rope on my log splitter. It's an older (probably about 20 years) Briggs, vertical shaft, 5HP with a full plastic shroud over the motor. It looks like the gas tank is built into the shroud, but I haven't looked closely. Anyway, the cord is all frayed and I need to replace it, or have it replaced. I haven't dug out the manual yet, but wanted to get a sense for how much trouble it is to do it myself. If it's a PITA or I would need a special puller I might just tow it down to the local small engine place and let them do it. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 19:40:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23191429F8 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:40:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF89403B9 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.162] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 01:33:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.55] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 01:33:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2013 01:33:50 -0000 TcECLddhRMF_h8kRTjKf1bqQbZXDge8VXeGZS8GYyJdOaPL4vP2ELOuT5c4u RzOSAbRC6q0y.GKvqRiM2jwrF04T3eHhQJzh8AIhaTjtcnH7lnViYBTFPzFt nbljSnfCTUNPJG7jl3A03ES9vUvZ9eNQYHgAydTW0FOCyy3rZoyJ18WjKbUv Ir16S7WF4TX8TkA6CqqF0PHUXHOdhvc5hyvzdzw1Gx8xz7YAOoOu.cyLtFz4 vfuWSVZYNiWCUdtWRS4DZ0k_m9OnXOkQBneYAgRmO_Q4xURYxr2O4stSVXkt b.iYyYzFxFsZBhAKKZCZkgbmqDbu0u3KxjwKfIiGI4vdeTy9x9opRhUXoo._ tcOvHpBlMnQVR4EYee4LB0Ra6kAT8g7mIvthMgXiTl5MhMUdnSuqyoh2Wlkf gxFO071dU2Bpvni0Upp_tNVY3swsyqxuTEtgOhVFf8r8DgmvLjk.hkt2u2Wc vIn_rsddUZu47EffErPtTleWsdu0TKSmrxH04YbzBU2Ac8S2Ks3_m7IwzZg- - smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Aug 2013 18:33:50 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Dave C'" , "'Shop Talk List'" References: <51FEFE5E.5080302@frontier.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:33:49 -0500 Thread-Index: AQE6sEIgODq4AFeMhfbXe0oTvbY0aZqtlefA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Recoil starter repair? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The recoil assembly is part of the air shroud - no need to pull the flywheel. It engages the inside of the flywheel nut or a separate ratchet held on by the flywheel nut. Likely four screws and it's off the shroud. Once it's off, you should be able to wind the spring up and slip the new rope into the reel without too much trouble. Take it off and you'll see how simple it is. -----Original Message----- From: Dave C Subject: [Shop-talk] Recoil starter repair? I need to replace the nylon pull rope on my log splitter. If it's a PITA or I would need a special puller I might just tow it down to the local small engine place and let them do it. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 21:30:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BC842A23 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58B44282D for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:19:59 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Sn8WxHh0VgHu9od5NyXiuUW5Iqt4SzB5y9cM9Dlefj8saDm0mE5c9AnTClaMYsC9; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.10.156.4] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1V6BKw-00041F-OF; Sun, 04 Aug 2013 23:19:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 20:19:08 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Dave C References: <51FEFE5E.5080302@frontier.com> Cc: 'Shop Talk List' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Recoil starter repair? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I had a 2000 Briggs mower and had to replace the string. It was a little smaller than your splitter, but should be similar. In my case, I undid the screws holding the gas tank on and moved it enough to be out of the way. I then popped off a plastic cap over the string area and removed the top portion of the cover, to include the string/recoil mechanism. I did not have to do anything internal to the engine. Like Karl said, the cover/ pull mechanism just engages the engine. If you string broke, you are going to have to figure out how much tension is necessary and may have to wind it a time or two. If the existing string still works, prepare the end of the new string to thread through the hole in the reel. I heated it with a lighter then rolled it to be narrow and slightly pointed. Then pull the old string to the limit and jam the reel in position with the old string extended. I had a place to stick a screwdriver. I then cut the old string, put in the new string through the cover and into the reel, and tied the knot at the reel end. I then used the old string to get the right length for the new string an knotted it at the grip end. Release the reel and let it wind in the new string then give it a test pull. If all is good, put it back together and you are good for another decade or two. Brian On 8/4/2013 6:22 PM, Dave C wrote: > I need to replace the nylon pull rope on my log splitter. It's an > older (probably about 20 years) Briggs, vertical shaft, 5HP with a > full plastic shroud over the motor. It looks like the gas tank is > built into the shroud, but I haven't looked closely. Anyway, the cord > is all frayed and I need to replace it, or have it replaced. I haven't > dug out the manual yet, but wanted to get a sense for how much trouble > it is to do it myself. If it's a PITA or I would need a special > puller I might just tow it down to the local small engine place and > let them do it. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 4 22:01:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAC142A6E for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 22:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFBF425AD for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2013 21:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay05.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.168]) by out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2013 03:54:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.101]) by relay05.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22242F8DE; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 03:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by localhost (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.101]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id I-4ff66DgyE7; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 03:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-151-216.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.151.216]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 680B917CD5; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 03:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 20:54:37 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Brian Kemp References: <51FEFE5E.5080302@frontier.com> <51FF19AC.4020101@earthlink.net> Cc: 'Shop Talk List' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Recoil starter repair? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks. I got the top cover off without any problems and now I just have to get a new piece of line. Looks like it's going to be a little easier than I thought. On 8/4/2013 8:19 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > I had a 2000 Briggs mower and had to replace the string. It was a > little smaller than your splitter, but should be similar. > > In my case, I undid the screws holding the gas tank on and moved it > enough to be out of the way. I then popped off a plastic cap over the > string area and removed the top portion of the cover, to include the > string/recoil mechanism. I did not have to do anything internal to > the engine. Like Karl said, the cover/ pull mechanism just engages > the engine. > > If you string broke, you are going to have to figure out how much > tension is necessary and may have to wind it a time or two. > > If the existing string still works, prepare the end of the new string > to thread through the hole in the reel. I heated it with a lighter > then rolled it to be narrow and slightly pointed. Then pull the old > string to the limit and jam the reel in position with the old string > extended. I had a place to stick a screwdriver. I then cut the old > string, put in the new string through the cover and into the reel, and > tied the knot at the reel end. I then used the old string to get the > right length for the new string an knotted it at the grip end. > Release the reel and let it wind in the new string then give it a test > pull. If all is good, put it back together and you are good for > another decade or two. > > Brian > > On 8/4/2013 6:22 PM, Dave C wrote: >> I need to replace the nylon pull rope on my log splitter. It's an >> older (probably about 20 years) Briggs, vertical shaft, 5HP with a >> full plastic shroud over the motor. It looks like the gas tank is >> built into the shroud, but I haven't looked closely. Anyway, the >> cord is all frayed and I need to replace it, or have it replaced. I >> haven't dug out the manual yet, but wanted to get a sense for how >> much trouble it is to do it myself. If it's a PITA or I would need a >> special puller I might just tow it down to the local small engine >> place and let them do it. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 08:37:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5451D42782 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90494052A for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:30:26 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:12:25 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/07/2013 10:12:30, Serialize complete at 08/07/2013 10:12:30 Subject: [Shop-talk] Griot's Garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone heard about Griot's Garage sending people out to your house to host a 'tupperware party' style detailing session? I heard that they will come to your house if you have enough people. Anyone else hear of this? Anyone know how to contact them? I can't find anything on their website. Thanks Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 7 09:07:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0626427C1 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A84427A0 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 09:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.rowlf.p [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EAD93C4B for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMDHexaCore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C985293C2E for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 08:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 07:54:31 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke mail.megageek.com> localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Griot's Garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You wrote: >Has anyone heard about Griot's Garage sending people out to your house to >host a 'tupperware party' style detailing session? I know they do that at club events up here in the Pacific NW, but that's because they're based in Tacoma (just south of Seattle). You'd have to email them to see if they can do that in other areas. I'd guess not, since they don't have retail locations all over the country. It's nice they're local to me, I can go down to their showroom/corporate offices to pickup products and even chat with Rich Griot himself if he's in. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 418,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 8 09:01:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331BC42EFF for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 09:00:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB0F42798 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 08:54:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AE0x1m0061afHeLABEuqQC; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 14:54:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.82.100] ([71.235.119.87]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AEuo1m00l1tDsSn8dEuqZJ; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 14:54:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 10:54:44 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: s=q20121106; t=1375973690; bh=YBRNIjgzfDDn/3G38WjVIZ9BlAykw3NxSB88BvWRRHY=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=OL1zDcOqhpe0eQXRndOxJgJLYYRABLERTJaIRigqMMQC0bSvkNZ66fDoCzz1I6k2s XgJs8wub4osydj88AC02FNtSWkGjPUTlJIM+kNzuZ5q+zjCA/kAm1/W8fLJqVjzRub eTW0IHKJIYght7wd43VxfQJAZjgRBtZmQ4EP3Au/KvZ1t0fJJQOx6a+si7QYOBHQIq FG5KISjHrt3UklXejXVLIzlK9yA3mDW4/aaw149x6o/Fw/Rs0runrvV4G95VkFg0l0 GJHGtlIDSGkrSA4J9/3JqhKb8seS70bbADuMPVMrIC2d4o41sn8fi3/ZaXID4H+R2u 4iisASAyVJeug== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Since we are talking about pfaucets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/2/2013 9:24 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Ok, here is the background. > > My house has a water pump that supplies water to my house, and two other > buildings. One building is above the level of my house. > > This works OK, but I need to increase the water pressure to the upper > building. It's supplied by a 3/4" pvc pipe. There is NO chance of > increasing that line. > > Best would be a pump and/or tank that I can put in my house since I have > lots of space where the line leaves. > > The other building has very little 'extra' space, so anything I put up > there needs to be pretty compact. > > Any ideas? Do they make anything for this situation? > > Thanks! You'll need to boost the pressure in the basement 10 lbs for ever 23 feet of vertical distance between the buildings. If the building is only 23 feet higher you could just adjust your pressure on your existing system (assuming you have a well pump and pressure tank already) 10lbs in the house. Any more and I'd add a second isolated system to handle the added pressure. Add a back flow value, a second pump, new pressure switch and expansion tank that can handle the need pressure. If its too much pressure, you'll need to do this in the higher building. How much higher is the second building? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 07:44:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8480342820 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 07:44:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B484032B for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 07:43:48 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:25:36 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/13/2013 09:25:39, Serialize complete at 08/13/2013 09:25:39 Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, here is my most 'anal' post to date... I've been trying to figure out how to get an *ACCURATE* tire pressure gauge. But I have no idea how to check or calibrate them. Here is the story, I have to work on tanks that need to be within about a PSI or two (range is from about 15PSI to about 50PSI). Many gauges give different readings. So, without spending a fortune (but I am willing to spend a fair amount), where can I get a good one? One attached to an air fill nozzle would be ideal. Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 08:00:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F05042948 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:00:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.73]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F45940333 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 07:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.157] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 13:52:36 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.215] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 13:52:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 13:52:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376401956; bh=CciB8xk+NlVI9QS/8/yRJqXqA/18j4EQDpouTiRvWGE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=JzfRiO+SA5n2FAaPVcueVoUZdoJHuzVjb3Os4ExlqWFPhg2XBBX43Foir+uIaUxfP8X+QcOXCnodzinxEvB4oDPhbjgZvJwLZXvfLJuRKv/9U809oAwxIdW564ugqmTtr0/aD6FnIK4i1leEJ9uIBi1SD4eEiU1nmhubUiaNBy0= 56gEgfNCYojMRMq_L.ZIXospmluXCxK5PBTGgN74Glvn9mB18UbPobqWLyKN eSjmAN8do_GsntYLwuxBGekFVKJhkILtoF4obEDZ_wyViJB5Hl0ShAtBb_md 8Z7AyOHwiurv6hknwAXEywNg9sCXXCK5ciWOY5NKwhMmDh_3A0mCtkrWaXaS nT.9QsYRpEUUynxJ.iGyhsxcm7R3oThg8cyl0pb9G0jdjh4m2.cF2R4g1_tV TN2dI1K2vWYizHaeVv9fneDwF8yVK67I4izFT9MqDnOpWkrVmJ3b4WXgKJMS cgCK5hGtzs45UezqzQsyW.ayj81Hg1x2YJOwsh1e7McXtLnsofPqjcQtF2v6 uIz72uMi0pvPWhEA_E7mtJdPeUBWnEQ8Xu.PKSkLmzzcbWlxPTTikQ9QToXV 0AiGRhE1Uemxwi_C2o.3lmq2cN7ppZ7FkkwPt2PeAgfO8Jhj.eWXQwlylUs5 PifIJ1vshM0rE1Qdnybq3IGigj1oyS5s8WaATtJK9XkIwvXOyfdX0hVaDkEa qAxHPLQU4ZlRu login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2013 13:52:36 +0000 UTC From: "John Niolon" To: , "shop-talk" References: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:53:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, I think with a little fab or cobble work you could come up with a homemade gauge that would be accurate... surely one of the major tire gauge people... Milton ..etc makes a filler that has a threaded end that could be threaded into a 3/8 brass tee... a high quality accurate gauge in one tee port and the quick couple adapter into the other... probably wouldn't be pocket friendly but it could be extremely accurate... find a good liquid filled guage with the proper range... to comply with your anal accuracy standard ...check the gauge on known pressure points before assembling.. I'm fairly sure there are ample brass adapters and fittings that you could use to cobble this thing up.. I've often wondered the same thing... and basically use mine to assure that all 4 tires have the same pressure... my accuracy standard isn't quite as high as yours :-) john ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure gauges > OK, here is my most 'anal' post to date... > > I've been trying to figure out how to get an *ACCURATE* tire pressure > gauge. But I have no idea how to check or calibrate them. > > Here is the story, I have to work on tanks that need to be within about a > PSI or two (range is from about 15PSI to about 50PSI). Many gauges give > different readings. > > So, without spending a fortune (but I am willing to spend a fair amount), > where can I get a good one? One attached to an air fill nozzle would be > ideal. > > > Thanks. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 08:02:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0581442968 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (unknown [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F3142820 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 07:57:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id fp13so5879738lab.10 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 06:57:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6GGTukIzArSoDt+INZnH2AtYh09QpUV+wYEsc9dxo14=; b=vNDe5PrL/2g0oQGQOeqmyxDyQCJQXI3PzGcAWFc7WJk574ygpQGn3Y67Ou/g/x4uTi EuooKCY2wkvRYwSXZsPbcg/yys9XLPD5eDijBIuJZMa3TLUCOp5pXLJ0mOBbkPp3mjCF GCFvL3RUcmtZQlm+qkg3QxS1YbNdWtBc7KUxRJDeIQuWtJjAQcRcgErj8CAHPHh+gOXA nZfuHzQ0nxlVaBlrtNPgI1S5eiHjMZ4V5ad3bw5VrW+D3T4jWhwVBJpMutlvLwZEC8ql /vGsrsa9jniQzSdqoJ58qA360lQnAbQnozPfEBbsnWHE+GJGdmyZ92RkuFvugenzheDy KmMA== Tue, 13 Aug 2013 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.133.170 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:57:36 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:25 AM, wrote: > OK, here is my most 'anal' post to date... > > I've been trying to figure out how to get an *ACCURATE* tire pressure > gauge. But I have no idea how to check or calibrate them. At least you aren't alone. The question runs in my family too. My dad once went into a tire store with a similar question - "How do you calibrate your tire gauges?" - and they looked at him like he was from Jupiter. I suppose there are electronic gauges that are reasonably accurate, though a calibration certificate is expensive. And then there's this: http://www.longacreracing.com/catalog/item.asp?id=1520&catid=8 Lots more choices here http://www.longacreracing.com/catalog/catlist.asp?catid=8 including an "economy" gauge for $40 that "reads to 1/2 lb". No mention of accuracy, though. Need to go more $$$ to get them to say anything about that.. I'm curious as to what others may have to say... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 09:18:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073C440395 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:18:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0180.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3951C42765 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407C8235FC for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:09:27 +0000 (UTC) RULES_HIT:278:355:379:599:800:854:960:967:973:988:989:1187:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1542:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2197:2198:2199:2200:2393:2525:2553:2568:2629:2682:2685:2693:2743:2828:2859:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3304:3354:3653:3657:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4860:5007:6117:6119:6647:7652:7903:7974:8531:8551:8599:8985:9009:9025:9388:10007:10049:10400:10848:10881:11232:11253:11257:11258:11651:11658:11854:11914:12043:12049:12291:12379:12438:12517:12519:12663:12683:12763:12776:12855:13025:13846, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk,SPF:fn,MSBL:0,DNSBL:none,Custom_rules:0:1:0 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (host216-187.lsdepts.ucsb.edu [128.111.216.187]) (Authenticated sender: mikey@rambour.com) by omf04.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:09:20 -0700 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The guys at Longacreracing told me when I was looking that the liquid filled will be the most accurate, of course I was not looking at the first $360 gauge that Jeff posted. I purchased this one http://www.longacreracing.com/catalog/item.asp?id=1120&catid=8 My calibration technique consisted of comparing it to 2 of their digital units and it gave the same reading, that was my super accurate calibration :) To have what you specifically asked for with fill nozzle, take a look at http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/digital+tire+inflating+gun.do?sortby=ourPicks&from=Search I have the dial (or is that analog) version of it and i have been happy, its 10+ years old and gives the same reading as the liquid filled gauge. It does not answer your calibration question, but I think for tires at least, I don't know what you will use it on, that the most important thing is consistency, that is why I have 3 gauges one in each car and motorcycle and the guys at longacreracing sure like their liquid filled guages when you talk to them. mike On 8/13/2013 6:57 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:25 AM, wrote: >> OK, here is my most 'anal' post to date... >> >> I've been trying to figure out how to get an *ACCURATE* tire pressure >> gauge. But I have no idea how to check or calibrate them. > At least you aren't alone. The question runs in my family too. My > dad once went into a tire store with a similar question - "How do you > calibrate your tire gauges?" - and they looked at him like he was from > Jupiter. > > I suppose there are electronic gauges that are reasonably accurate, > though a calibration certificate is expensive. And then there's this: > > http://www.longacreracing.com/catalog/item.asp?id=1520&catid=8 > > Lots more choices here > http://www.longacreracing.com/catalog/catlist.asp?catid=8 including an > "economy" gauge for $40 that "reads to 1/2 lb". No mention of > accuracy, though. Need to go more $$$ to get them to say anything > about that.. > > I'm curious as to what others may have to say... > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/lists@dinospider.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 09:35:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1FB403A7 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF61C4003A for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03263276C52 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMDHexaCore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC255276C46 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:24:02 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke mail.megageek.com> localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric wrote: >OK, here is my most 'anal' post to date... > >I've been trying to figure out how to get an *ACCURATE* tire pressure >gauge. But I have no idea how to check or calibrate them. Here is your solution. Imperial Supplies has calibrateable tire gauges http://www.imperialsupplies.com , under Hardware, Tire Hardware Calibratable gauges: http://www.imperialsupplies.com/pdf/vol20/page/M39.pdf http://www.imperialsupplies.com/pdf/vol21/page/N53.pdf They also have an Air Gauge Test Station: http://www.imperialsupplies.com/pdf/3523-1_Tire-Gauge_Care_Use.pdf http://www.imperialsupplies.com/item/0739570 (includes video of calibration procedure) This could be fabbed up fairly easily. A piece of pipe with ends welded up, a port with a regulator for filling the pipe with air at a specific pressure, a port fitted with an accurate test gauge (McMaster has High-Accuracy Gauges that would work) and a Shader valve to attach the tire gauge you want to test. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 412,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 09:48:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7C74044F for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f52.google.com (mail-ee0-f52.google.com [74.125.83.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D39C40322 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f52.google.com with SMTP id c41so4291648eek.39 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:39:18 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=mwLO5GRm/AWoB0jaQLREHhMxd/tp+I0NuSt2DA67g9U=; b=LRToiGKVGa7HdSSmiXreuOIadkb0wQ166wNCIwd4PvQ7dsPdGqABZgSMbrkpIck67h WUk9eBjHSQwYDd1b5kL3v98tqsFqRJYgb0VnxVfcJOgLLasj0S1xEHdn1ceCpxr5653h 0qse14pGXpmnCNYI6bCoW27nOsaaMRg8GgqFb4V4qZpz5iPEsbR+DNUB1tkOdbFbj0xR PsoKqzRoaZII7Xt+MvXQuARn7JIcLaWNhnw3OuHZqDAyAJU79yfqAzxr0kVne8W1LAnZ oLfWXMYnJsXRI8nx1BL9YJJ69BSRw8/JyP6Bmfbc4NSjjlE98+Eyv1nOF+px/QFR4qGD vAUg== w46mr3189819eex.77.1376408358549; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.15.54.203 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:39:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20130813081520.020b5c28@mail.avvanta.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:39:18 -0400 From: Mark Andy To: Todd Walke Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, Is the idea to have a single gauge that you want to use to make sure two tanks have 'equal' pressure (i.e. repeat-ability is very important, but accuracy is less so) or that you want a permanent mount gauge on each tank? Standard racing oriented tire pressure gauges should be fine for the first use, but I wouldn't trust them much for the second. Mark On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Todd Walke wrote: > Eric wrote: > >> OK, here is my most 'anal' post to date... >> >> I've been trying to figure out how to get an *ACCURATE* tire pressure >> gauge. But I have no idea how to check or calibrate them. >> > > Here is your solution. Imperial Supplies has calibrateable tire > gauges > > http://www.imperialsupplies.**com , > under Hardware, Tire Hardware > > Calibratable gauges: > http://www.imperialsupplies.**com/pdf/vol20/page/M39.pdf > http://www.imperialsupplies.**com/pdf/vol21/page/N53.pdf > > They also have an Air Gauge Test Station: > http://www.imperialsupplies.**com/pdf/3523-1_Tire-Gauge_**Care_Use.pdf > http://www.imperialsupplies.**com/item/0739570 (includes video of calibration procedure) > > This could be fabbed up fairly easily. A piece of pipe with ends welded > up, a port with a regulator for filling the pipe with air at a specific > pressure, a port fitted with an accurate test gauge (McMaster has > High-Accuracy Gauges that would work) and a Shader valve to attach the tire > gauge you want to test. > > > Todd > Seattle,WA > '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles > '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 412,000 miles > '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a > new home :( > http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/marka@**maracing.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 10:19:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F3240398 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:19:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58F940079 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CESs1m00E16AWCUA9GHteD; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:17:53 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CGHt1m00H2xZMJ48SGHtgm; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:17:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:17:53 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: shop-talk@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1376410673; bh=BlzOFpuJIRMxP83PNXfhmoia23y8DBalYr2d6nHN/kM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=qFEuzY/nAhABPgalcCRSVGbWI7/5jNFEXCLD8QoiG43Pb5WN1l7k1lQE6evBS/Bku YCTjJyqb5I5D03pM9DI/oh+v91SDHNaCXP6k+hpfBuTfs0+02I6rqtnPCDO2o4FLgV BYsiD1U/V2afnRxO/N0ImG6H8mc8V8gu6ceZWWNAbcO0Sb+ZxKBxypIL1Qk/149aoi wKsqnVLCb3PHb3WdI50lZbbMCBwZlpcEaroW28LvTrt3vJxhVVbcTXrCTooPJjsKQP fZHqx4PFy5FtQ7ig57vGxLhfTTSZweTs6Ye+U2cfUPqkOMViyXkQvxEMnqXgW2Lo0K LXS9NoVbtW5TA== Subject: [Shop-talk] LED light bulbs in garage door operators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net LED light bulbs in garage door operators. The 75-watt conventional rough-service incandescent bulb in my garage-door opener burned out. Since one wants a vibration-resistant bulb, I replaced it with a 17-watt LED unit that gives the light of a 75-watt incandescent. The opener started working intermittently. Sometimes it would open but not close with the remote, sometimes it would close but not open. Sometimes it worked from inside the garage, sometimes only from outside. Only consistent thing is that the hardwired doorbell button in the garage always worked. All the wireless remotes including the keypad on the outside of the garage acted goofy. Took the bulb out completely. Everything worked fine. Put in an ordinary 75-watt that was handy. Everything worked fine but the bulb burned out fast. Put in a new rough-service incandescent bulb. Everything works fine. Obviously, I don't want to use LED lights in this operator. Somehow the circuitry in a multi-LED bulb does weird things with the radio in the operator. Anybody else ever see this effect? Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 10:39:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F413040355 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:39:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com (mail-pa0-f47.google.com [209.85.220.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEC940334 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:38:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id kl13so1479203pab.20 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:38:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ff35tt/lUR6Bs44mGdkjHUM1XQLMPtKvrBFem6GndUk=; b=uiWV5xAnbjUTgUMgz5we7EP0EtF+o+EHnNE6CFMdgid7ECl657/Fw2f0fGIs5FzZuu 4bfUHFDTB6kMDyJ0MxoRq+bBPnN/52651DxQ8dJLHUMV1QAgGTixQ9SNwyuT/hmQ1gjK ZfQf0xU0OcG0UnG4IMuiGYxFraSH3DcL2AkFHKYZ2FF++YB/Li58dRBeHQUsFuuEMxE6 ocDbBW8Ty8xmy/9iY6Kez5YHS54i0I0MgwFLx5aDfQwwSuZamq1gaM/6AQDqSlcraOiH gMXX/i7cTmbkfL4TNFxhKUllndDZbz5DQ21AVRcvvEpSQB0cvkCHJzhQzY4ovtPnOW7k xzcg== wp9mr5405241pbc.153.1376411916099; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.72.194 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:38:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <2019521980.1039460.1376410673087.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:38:36 -0500 From: John Innis To: pethier@comcast.net Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED light bulbs in garage door operators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have not seen this specifically with the bulb in the opener, but now you have me wondering if installing LED's in the soffit lights outside the garage are an explanation for why the range of my garage door opener is now a couple yards where it used to be more like a couple dozen yards. I will do some experiments tonight and report back. In the mean time, to extend the life of traditional bulbs in the opener, you might want to do what I did. Mount a standard fixture to the ceiling a couple feet away and wire it to the opener. Then you can use a standard bulb and not have the vibration form the opener shorten the life. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:17 AM, wrote: > LED light bulbs in garage door operators. > > The 75-watt conventional rough-service incandescent bulb in my garage-door > opener burned out. Since one wants a vibration-resistant bulb, I replaced > it with a 17-watt LED unit that gives the light of a 75-watt incandescent. > > The opener started working intermittently. Sometimes it would open but > not close with the remote, sometimes it would close but not open. > Sometimes it worked from inside the garage, sometimes only from outside. > Only consistent thing is that the hardwired doorbell button in the garage > always worked. All the wireless remotes including the keypad on the > outside of the garage acted goofy. > > Took the bulb out completely. Everything worked fine. > > Put in an ordinary 75-watt that was handy. Everything worked fine but the > bulb burned out fast. > > Put in a new rough-service incandescent bulb. Everything works fine. > > Obviously, I don't want to use LED lights in this operator. Somehow the > circuitry in a multi-LED bulb does weird things with the radio in the > operator. Anybody else ever see this effect? > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 10:54:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B376403B2 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail14c40.carrierzone.com (mail14c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D330340321 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.117.173] (70-88-2-230-nashville-tn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.88.2.230]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail14c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r7DGlvr2013986; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:47:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:47:57 -0500 From: Mark Endicott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: pethier@comcast.net References: <2019521980.1039460.1376410673087.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=eVorbOOLNdEA:10 a=zZKT3jqqOw0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=V6f-GIhDAAAA:8 a=CdVwskkGjWYA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=DLXO72i6AAAA:8 a=AFAgp7RTAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=lLEe_dU4ygAaSO-IT6YA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=XKywMG_M2SIA:10 a=R5gpiK+HJ/bna/IrAbEdxw==:117 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED light bulbs in garage door operators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Both LED's and CFL's use switching power supplies built in the bulb base. It is common for them to cause RF interference across a wide spectrum. Their radiation limits are controlled on paper but not in reality. When the bulb is in close proximity to a receiver the signal can be strong enough to mask the remote receiver and make it fail to recognize the intended signal. Like trying to hear a whisper when someone is yelling in your ear. Stick with the standard bulb. On 8/13/2013 11:17 AM, pethier@comcast.net wrote: > LED light bulbs in garage door operators. > > The 75-watt conventional rough-service incandescent bulb in my garage-door opener burned out. Since one wants a vibration-resistant bulb, I replaced it with a 17-watt LED unit that gives the light of a 75-watt incandescent. > > The opener started working intermittently. Sometimes it would open but not close with the remote, sometimes it would close but not open. Sometimes it worked from inside the garage, sometimes only from outside. Only consistent thing is that the hardwired doorbell button in the garage always worked. All the wireless remotes including the keypad on the outside of the garage acted goofy. > > Took the bulb out completely. Everything worked fine. > > Put in an ordinary 75-watt that was handy. Everything worked fine but the bulb burned out fast. > > Put in a new rough-service incandescent bulb. Everything works fine. > > Obviously, I don't want to use LED lights in this operator. Somehow the circuitry in a multi-LED bulb does weird things with the radio in the operator. Anybody else ever see this effect? > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mark@nashvilletn.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 10:57:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFD9403BA for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:57:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp005.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp005.mac.com [17.172.220.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35D740321 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:51:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com ([17.172.220.247]) by st11p02mm-asmtp005.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.07(7.0.4.27.6) 64bit (built Jun 21 2013)) with ESMTP id <0MRH00503ATT8I60@st11p02mm-asmtp005.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:51:31 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-13_06:2013-08-13,2013-08-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308130112 Received: from localhost ([17.172.220.222]) by st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.07(7.0.4.27.6) 64bit (built Jun 21 2013)) with ESMTP id <0MRH00KLNATT9S40@st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:51:29 +0000 (GMT) To: shop-talk From: Darrell Walker Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:51:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED light bulbs in garage door operators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just one data point (well two, as I have two openers), several years ago I put a CF bulb in my garage door opener, as I didn't have a regular bulb. I expected it to fail quickly, but when it didn't, I replaced all of them (each opener has two). They have been going fine for at least five years. They are screw drive openers, so perhaps smoother than a chain drive, though based on the noise they make (they are probably 20+ years old), the probably still vibrate quite a bit. Incandescent bulbs, even rough service, tended to last less than a year. -Darrell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 11:15:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4940540395 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539A240323 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:55:06 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=eVorbOOLNdEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=CdVwskkGjWYA:10 a=VSbAlWjWOy1T7ZUtpi8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4F/F4-14128-8E46A025; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:55:04 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:55:06 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6YQSmvF8JUrfMTRMuePvceSubmGwABB6pQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED light bulbs in garage door operators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Obviously, I don't want to use LED lights in this operator. > Somehow the circuitry in a multi-LED bulb does weird things > with the radio in the operator. Anybody else ever see this effect? Not all LED "bulbs" are created equal. Since LEDs are low voltage DC devices, the "bulbs" include switch mode power supplies that usually run at pretty high frequencies (to reduce the size of the inductor involved). Obviously, the bulb you got is radiating interference. A better made, or even just different, bulb might radiate less and work better. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 11:42:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5104C40381 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:42:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0974009A for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:26:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CEKo1m0040S2fkCA4HSb7S; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:26:35 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CHSb1m00E2yr1eL8VHSbjz; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:26:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:26:35 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Darrell Walker s=q20121106; t=1376414795; bh=h+UYN4GJJCKDTymq/c22WdNn5qnN/WlIsTSDREqpMog=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=aA79GmBGqZn/k2tshxYj27Aa0gE62+86b8tFtJeaokQo5bme3P8patKygH+e7jlRH 7LMuDtlrTKS6iLhXY1C9Rx9fwwtrgmJ6dlccv6h1aIJbrKnYpwuOvkxHf5aZOHEy9i rpfn970SYa9YbBiLVvU9/tlHwkhLefhFxzmQkXdmycJltKV/4lsqGPJ4UbMRdqKs1/ IF0/VvjT+NO414DPKoUHulFFXFvvdIO0qOHzpZBUt8q42pJ/tFQhJ+n9IhPKSnwewD GLnMK+w5UmDLc1yAH65wMgsMnA9V8ZjFKZMPZXUYcE7oBeRwMRjZabuKCFYNSpT/GR tEwkVUwHjwv2g== Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED light bulbs in garage door operators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darrell Walker" > Just one data point (well two, as I have two openers), several years > ago I > put a CF bulb in my garage door opener, as I didn't have a regular > bulb. I > expected it to fail quickly, but when it didn't, I replaced all of > them (each > opener has two). They have been going fine for at least five years. Where do you live? Here in Minnesota it gets too cold for CF bulbs to start reliably. > Incandescent bulbs, even rough service, tended to > last > less than a year. I must have gotten a good one, then. It had been in there for over a decade. At a couple of bucks a pop for rough-service bulbs, I'm sticking with them. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 12:09:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A32403A8 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:09:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (unknown [17.172.220.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE0D40321 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from st11p02mm-spool001.mac.com ([17.172.220.246]) by st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.07(7.0.4.27.6) 64bit (built Jun 21 2013)) with ESMTP id <0MRH00647DSKUHC0@st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:55:35 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-13_06:2013-08-13,2013-08-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308130129 Received: from localhost ([17.172.220.222]) by st11p02mm-spool001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.07(7.0.4.27.6) 64bit (built Jun 21 2013)) with ESMTP id <0MRH009AUDSKBN70@st11p02mm-spool001.mac.com>; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:55:32 +0000 (GMT) To: pethier@comcast.net From: Darrell Walker Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:55:28 +0000 (GMT) Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED light bulbs in garage door operators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 13, 2013, at 10:26 AM, pethier@comcast.net wrote: Where do you live? Here in Minnesota it gets too cold for CF bulbs to start reliably. Pacific Northwest. And the way my house/garage is built (living space above and on one side, essentially underground on two more sides), it rarely gets below 45 in the garage. -Darrell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 12:27:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988E0403DE for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B264006F for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:13:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-200-206.morrisbb.com [173.246.200.206] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r7DIDB0J060594 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:13:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:13:03 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Shop Talk List References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/13/2013 9:25 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > I've been trying to figure out how to get an *ACCURATE* tire pressure > gauge. But I have no idea how to check or calibrate them. I'm rather fond of this thing from Advance Auto. think auto Zone sells a similar one. http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_tire-pressure-gauge-victor_1920154-p?searchTerm=tire+gauge I have one in the car and another in the toolbox, and occasionally check them against each other and they agree. And they were purchased a good time part. Mom & riend both have the same one and they are all consistent. That's not "accurate" or "calibrated" but a generally good sign. It has a nice bleed-down button, you you an sihtly overfill the tire, then bleed down to 1/2 psi or so. TireRack.com sale a bunch of fancy digital ones, too. -wc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 12:51:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD4440398 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F087740329 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:47:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-200-206.morrisbb.com [173.246.200.206] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r7DIlfgp060726 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:47:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:47:33 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1024802784.1041164.1376414795350.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED light bulbs in garage door operators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/13/2013 1:26 PM, pethier@comcast.net wrote: >> Incandescent bulbs, even rough service, tended to last >> less than a year. > > I must have gotten a good one, then. It had been in there for over a decade. > At a couple of bucks a pop for rough-service bulbs, I'm sticking with them. BTW, you can still score regular incandescent 100 watters from Amazon. I bought TWO cases! That should hold me till the industry comes out with an alternative that 1) actually produces equivalent light output [vs their lies] 2) lasts a reasonable time given its absurd cost 3) or is reasonably priced 4) MOST IMPORTANT, my comfort rules: does NOT flicker or "sparkle", put out funny colored light, or give me a f*****g headache. Screw IT! I'm not gonna be a guinea pig for $5 - $40 products that suck. I KNOW what's sucking power in my house (HVAC, water heating, dehumidifier, stereo, PC farm) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055T5VW8/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 -wc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 13:23:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF201403B2 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:23:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8998840324 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.166] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 19:17:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 19:17:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2013 19:17:56 -0000 TdTt1pbRS4gHkGCbP7xzJ.MN3ZcnrG7Fvx8yUwNbJK8bsDaQXDufH_JS_yYY cTPjRucRiSFj6WV9nbTORMegbqbZbDPPxvofnTN6eHHOwno.lQnRfNRfrhhq zHbHbgv9b7tFO6a_kJCxBY1eKNFCRFd11vHOQIn1F3zQXAcFaqzggLcIjVeO 0cHgO5wjC3O6QcFf0U5JYuI5Tgr7pfWu5hVrhrhTf7GDddrgV_19ZR3YaLJY NNC7RbhHkJlffWebg8icV9.7DCL8CVH.kMdOqkqogHP3bJTYffhvKnnLb1v6 wfZhKoFYA4FHHUVU3SWabylPbLkgsVoytE7qF0NKE.CHoRcKjtaOquJCeGnK r_NEMPBIMbkaY97XuVkG8qydNZFR0eJT5VqmzLTPConrn.T5BjXNCeKFK9Xj HLdCFFm.cVkFkO50Q6678itTg_f3pcN0MdgsVRXBbxSANXZSAN033XMm.mRT E4h8YTJZ.QNMq3MNkDVCYPZfe9BNyYAyzkeQa_VrM61zaTf1fi9jP._aiIew - smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2013 12:17:56 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'shop-talk'" References: <1024802784.1041164.1376414795350.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:17:54 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIPB4jUG7QxPjjdze4/SrGSetSzkpkSn4YA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED light bulbs in garage door operators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've got some el-cheapo CFL's at the hangar that light down to at least zero. I think the package actually promised -20, but about zero is about as cold as I can remember trying them. For rough-service incandescent bulbs, I've been abusing the ones from NAPA in drop lights for years, and they seldom die except from age. Dropping and coolant drips don't seem to faze them. Karl -----Original Message----- From: pethier@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED light bulbs in garage door operators > Where do you live? Here in Minnesota it gets too cold for CF bulbs to start reliably. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 13:54:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008A34032A for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB02840324 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:52:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fo12so2371507lab.31 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:52:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=u2vlY4juOdeLxSbSvw29V3G03rKj9Wsbh0v9yZKBpsY=; b=bK4rGw+OXHMXXHFy3mdLqtPGRAF7K1j6KiujnJQqFYqFOsSypV3tf0munIY5UUx+JC sI2ZIOhKlmNPnTMEiojJJX+aSMa7l5GuCQpArxB+1+gpSsNHQaRFQeson2TBf4d+AQEV wS7f39p0NcrV/IStUvB1LHo7vygYabDWc1HWX1B7t/FBKdkzUDvXmtlk9DGfGj3554DL SUojYI8gqPdoQNTyoqVSPnhgRM5ppGJFT1IHlRVQHv/Q8RU4/QOzroosFLpTMR72NSFs /QotFGQqZkoJ0n+6VgRcNX8F1NZpt/u6SLAgIRaW0ZaW2rXa/GOI83h3KOpeHwYsftiQ BJ5A== Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.133.170 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:52:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <1024802784.1041164.1376414795350.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <520A7F45.3090503@xxiii.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:52:55 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED light bulbs in garage door operators Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Wayne wrote: > That should hold me till the industry comes out with an alternative that 1) > actually produces equivalent light output [vs their lies] 2) lasts a > reasonable time given its absurd cost 3) or is reasonably priced 4) MOST > IMPORTANT, my comfort rules: does NOT flicker or "sparkle", put out funny > colored light, or give me a f*****g headache. Like these? http://www.lowes.com/pd_302474-3-50005_4294801201__?productId=3203513 http://assets.sylvania.com/assets/Documents/HAL040R2.55fb350d-76b5-404c-909c-101455ceabbd.pdf _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 13 23:05:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402DC403D7 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 23:05:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725BD40329 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 23:00:50 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NmDUXA2FhlkBUp07GhykW7NnxwH5nshXZ5NBYh4Cr16RcghZ871EjiXqQwjidbTy; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.10.156.4] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1V9TCQ-0005yx-TT; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 01:00:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 21:59:47 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: eric@megageek.com References: Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire Pressure gauges Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric - I have an Accu-Gage that I've been very happy with. It is similar to www.amazon.com/Accu-Gage-100-Dial-Tire-Gauge/dp/B0006O2S1E/ They also have a 60 psi gauge. When getting some tires a number of years ago on my TR6, I spent a while talking to the shop manager. We talked about autocrossing and he asked how I checked my pressures. I showed him my gauge and he offered to check it for me. They had some sort of way to check and said the gauge was right on. If you have a good tire place you use, you could check with them to see if they will test your gauge. This gauge also has the bleed button in another reply and I recommend it as a good feature. They also have a gauge with a filler chuck so you can connect the gauge then add air while you monitor pressure. http://www.amazon.com/Accu-Gage-EZ02-Gauge-Filler-Chuck/dp/B0074B9DA6/ Brian On 8/13/2013 6:25 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, here is my most 'anal' post to date... > > I've been trying to figure out how to get an *ACCURATE* tire pressure > gauge. But I have no idea how to check or calibrate them. > > Here is the story, I have to work on tanks that need to be within about a > PSI or two (range is from about 15PSI to about 50PSI). Many gauges give > different readings. > > So, without spending a fortune (but I am willing to spend a fair amount), > where can I get a good one? One attached to an air fill nozzle would be > ideal. > > > Thanks. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 10:52:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB60403E9 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD720403DA for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2013 16:49:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.53] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2013 16:49:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2013 16:49:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376498999; bh=EqSFWv+UXi+FVrayUP9qU5P+zS4XH9gGFxjKcOJk1ps=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ly0Ib3xQrl/L8nX5yPjGyXh6jRmU4a9RyCWDuPlTdxry72Qx2LyU3Da63I1llNmoBqTMfRIVWp9Ox1pqdpZRJ0uyDyPOQ+au8BRPabIyTZkMF43NFq/npb8T3T2qvb28BIu5TumlQYJQc7o6C517Xw5LmO4KiS/ULzo2cGhc4es= fvhWEsZBEjazX5jnqXK9trKacTf1kW.aJmDdnQHhGw8SfBf1qbH.pA1EoYkw hQKMugm_hF5zra2Td09kMBeEpuhiCOKvvGs90JCcCUVN6q4rfRmRZskPFe80 p.89.io3NZtSb81tBukY6ZLdbEWldsgNfKJYNCvNHLe1GpPPVdnxJXolQsm0 GuIk_FqQ1Ws5ajXr4eAP1hq.wh8un2m9_VU93MYgXaCf6AwjPkYHklIc55mH IiRBR3h0opUnVmsfedU6WinwcrbhQTb8qGAVEzbMQEcUSJ3_nkD_hp_ytcA1 sHc.e3OCKyQYeZy0_9eb0AF34n9DLpeqHvqVINKITaNXoPzSf5Bs2HqvPGRF sh2O_7OoIbppQWlbU1DZ_Y2pSCY0E8K7kbM2hUHC1GZcuq4eyWqYEkQ8tb9B yjuuaf96mbcgI12amxu7vFyG2T282eyoSVOpZ2u_ktiys2iRHXbVc9cxrA5H 8SN6Kd5gK2AA- login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 2013 09:49:59 -0700 PDT From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 11:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] 4.54" GRINDER SPINDLE ADAPTER Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've got 4 grinders that I use regularly...and all but one have a 5/8" - 11 spindle... I like to keep one with a grinding rock, one with a flap disk, one with a cutting wheel, one with a wire brush I've got one Milwaukee 6145 with a 1/2" - 13 spindle and have to use the flanges to hole the flapdisk on it. I have a load of threaded flappers that I can use but won't fit this grinder and I'd love to get rid of the flanges and that funky spanner wrench... anyone know of a adapter that will screw onto a 1/2" spindle and size up to a 5/8 ???? can't seem to find anything but 5/8 to 10.2 metric (or whatever) thanks John Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 14 13:25:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8154044B for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:25:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5E440421 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 13:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=zCdQnLC6Js8A:10 a=uUyiwoF58rUEuyGCricA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:34180] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 4C/0F-14128-969DB025; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:24:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:24:25 +0000 From: Randall To: shop-talk , John Niolon Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] SPAM: 4.54" GRINDER SPINDLE ADAPTER Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > anyone know of a adapter that will screw onto a 1/2" spindle and size up to a > 5/8 ???? 1/2" is almost the tap drill for 5/8", meaning a sleeve would be weak. Using a standoff type adapter would probably not be a good idea either, since it moves the flap wheel farther away from the grinder, which will increase vibration and the stress on the bearings. Might be best to just put the grinder with the 1/2" shaft up on eBay and buy another grinder with 5/8". Another alternative might be to machine a new shaft with 5/8" threads. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 15:51:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A83440407 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:51:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF206403EC for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:46:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id u10so2614900lbi.28 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:46:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+leeTzW3XzIn51Vu7DZRTe7d2TRBFhAbuHeyLa+rLl0=; b=tuO8yvDgVL/1jvSHmGfQ9UetY7SU/c/Yb68bHGkk5PDmbiLXa+bqgVSOkRXFr+W5rE QWYrq7a2q4YphizjW5OeUCSaDTdPD9vOIkl/vJUVbISXg5y7A0vvaO9daZUCnhtVIRIn K6ZUoVpi7EfftYacXXsquZzHp9bnrZWyAixk37EjyRvUE9MbZey2tIprTAKT5TRKBiKe Syo/3tBel34vHGkd/RgJ1Ks88nfNhg4bviIFVBswerhTV0pszehlHlFROAHZA61Qs66D SIuuKLSRunu21hR91YNK9YlSkh0x/J9xeMIcqTf5ql9HaWyqgBe0PPU6zy23qB52+yBf sWMw== wf6mr1216698lbb.13.1376862367751; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.133.170 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:46:07 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Here's a question for discussion...What do you do with all the old nuts and bolts you collect? Do you throw them in one big coffee can? Sort them somehow? Or (gasp!) toss them and buy new whenever you need them? Been cleaning the shop today, and pondering buying one of those HF tumblers and polishing all my old hardware... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 16:22:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F09042712 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:22:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F46A4038C for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130818221752.HUHT10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:17:52 -0400 Received: from wt09 ([209.225.8.59]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id ENHs1m00e1GRMdM05NHsxX; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:17:52 -0400 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=JHZq-4SjiMEA:10 a=kf_jrRoLxD7Asj5o9MEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=LbdPyhsHNVEA:10 a=HIn6KDwRAzAA:10 a=uOJQu72qv6Ap9xu5Wd0A:9 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:17:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:17:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] oil leak detection dye Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone here used one of these products? Are there any specific engine types that it shouldn't be used on? Any advice solicited. Thanks! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 16:25:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA35542729 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:25:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EBA4038C for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130818222228.HWYS10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:22:28 -0400 Received: from wt09 ([209.225.8.59]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id ENNU1m0061GRMdM05NNUz7; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:22:28 -0400 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=4CmGb8Q_2kMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=RGHADLMfqK8A:10 a=XQ5vxQG74NLAHCPAbpsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:22:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:22:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I save anything usable, try to sort it out by bolt, nut, washer, etc. and (because of this "horde") have used Datsun bolts on my 71 Jeep as well as two different toyotas. On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Here's a question for discussion...What do you do with all the old > nuts and bolts you collect? > > Do you throw them in one big coffee can? Sort them somehow? Or > (gasp!) toss them and buy new whenever you need them? > > Been cleaning the shop today, and pondering buying one of those HF > tumblers and polishing all my old hardware... > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 16:25:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEEF42712 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:25:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f180.google.com (mail-we0-f180.google.com [74.125.82.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C009403A7 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id p61so3147842wes.25 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:24:31 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fxg62EExNaiba9qFN0CuTNPzFrTq/vVxzpqVbqHSSqQ=; b=L931rvDXt5O9LVnIDJe8JkZWtkreovdQCBUAfAnXHI5tABrTbFFG5ftumPLv7OUDGR 5TxlhEL8KkUHdjrUpvXVZ8q0dBP1MRuDqyWiu3KRgx819zQQPCeD8pO0rp3u2TB5TVrv QFA9X3HXydyH3tWizexFveCFDZ7o7ECG2RId++ycKxv0HNlcm2ZVmUUUdDSZSMC6oBgf Q/qb7Jb9nPoQBcviR70IK8DQxhCu/CDaiPFbC7P9JEfU5BABczyUd6gZKB+fzIYIhUZG euiOKz51TYlpXZfa983U88gqaUpV7XBN280JwkadjTTcS8u/CihiBwOwluC8ZIs6MU3z Mz6A== cj3mr6117452wjc.8.1376864671193; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.199.10 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:24:31 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:24:31 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Race car guru and author, Carroll Smith, wrote in his book on hardware something like: "Gather up every bolt, nut and washer that is NOT at least grade 5 and throw them in the trash so you'll never be tempted to use inferior hardware on your project". I can't get THAT serious about hardware; I work on race cars but I also work on the lawn mower now and then I DO have a bolt bin with about 100 little drawers and I DO occasionally sort out the bucket of used hardware and put the PERFECT ones back in the bin. It doesn't take that much to stock a bolt bin; Start with the basic sizes you use most. I use 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 7/16 and 1/2 and I separate the bins of each size into NF and NC threads and "long & short (under and over 1 1/2"). Ten more bins for nuts and washers. If you find a place that sells good bolts by the pound and just buy 4 or 5 of each size your investment will be small and you'll save many a trip to the hardware store. So far, all my metrics land in one or two bins and I have to dig for them. Tony in Texas On 18 August 2013 16:46, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Here's a question for discussion...What do you do with all the old > nuts and bolts you collect? > > Do you throw them in one big coffee can? Sort them somehow? Or > (gasp!) toss them and buy new whenever you need them? > > Been cleaning the shop today, and pondering buying one of those HF > tumblers and polishing all my old hardware... > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 16:55:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2B9403C7 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:55:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AE240355 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ENha1m0021zF43QA3Nv5Pm; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:55:05 +0000 Received: from Mike ([71.227.251.244]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ENv41m00J5H8Ttj8kNv4dQ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:55:04 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Shop Talk" References: <6ca4d8ce.4fc010.1409385b55d.Webtop.49@charter.net> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:55:06 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1376866505; bh=FETXh/BRF5I9od1r9AEAfN2xIPr51xObMiCh1FEyXxs=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=lORjSuEwLzWEbYcKC2PZDBFrfggDXZolK0gYasMfqUH967euZ6UxTBYvr1tGqF9W5 2S+rBUS8UuIe1Ya+uI2pOfmiXa6Bx8Ic31b+U+AH2HUFvE72ahIXA331iB61+Nd6mR ClKXi9qG/dJxS1UhnZqFAP5mqqv9CPfq0j7T0kyh+kVbpDELMt47nNVG4Usyp8CVql 1gXsCayBqzCWwKDNx/ctiWR2w5jq2iCHg/kA6xp8Zrwsm0jhZXGYEcj4TkDvuRuG9u KU+ES0JFo/QvYVyKSGq5OETNrx0yHG+2GObo/JhI6nMn+qC3/NxrNlpn0TH5q7D0I9 1L9x9surOirxw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I only save the ones I will never need. Mike =============== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Shop Talk" Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts >I save anything usable, try to sort it out by bolt, nut, washer, etc. and >(because of this "horde") have used Datsun bolts on my 71 Jeep as well as >two different toyotas. > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > >> Here's a question for discussion...What do you do with all the old >> nuts and bolts you collect? >> >> Do you throw them in one big coffee can? Sort them somehow? Or >> (gasp!) toss them and buy new whenever you need them? >> >> Been cleaning the shop today, and pondering buying one of those HF >> tumblers and polishing all my old hardware... >> >> Jeff Scarbrough >> Corrosion Acres, Ga. >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 17:23:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EFC403B1 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65330403A0 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:20:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87276276C42 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMDHexaCore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA48276C41 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:08:57 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke mail.com> localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I use several medium-size tupperware containers. I like them because the lids fit tight, less likely to accidentally spill the contents. I don't have so much extra hardware that I sort by thread size, etc. One each for Nuts, Bolts, Washers, Wood Screws, Machine Screws, Pop Rivets. One for Other, with some oddballs that don't fit in the other categories. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 420,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 17:32:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAC34272F for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:32:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F008403A0 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.247]) by out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 18 Aug 2013 23:31:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (filter03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.206]) by relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2762D2F80AC; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 23:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.245]) by localhost (filter03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.206]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id NF7YqwUB43TI; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 23:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-151-216.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.151.216]) by relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5654E4A0B3; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 23:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:31:54 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have about half a dozen of the clear plastic shoe boxes from Target or wherever, and have all the nuts in one, washers in another and then more or less sort the SAE sized bolts/machine screws from 1/4 to 1/2 in their own tubs. Everything metric goes into one tub. Anything under 1/4 goes in little individual drawers. Still keeping nails and drywall screws, sorted by size, in coffee cans. On 8/18/2013 2:46 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Here's a question for discussion...What do you do with all the old > nuts and bolts you collect? > > Do you throw them in one big coffee can? Sort them somehow? Or > (gasp!) toss them and buy new whenever you need them? > > Been cleaning the shop today, and pondering buying one of those HF > tumblers and polishing all my old hardware... > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 18:32:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB24403EC for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09488403A6 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.130] ([::ffff:10.1.2.130]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,CAMELLIA256-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:32:33 -0700 id 000000000028001E.00000000521167A1.00004D48 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 17:32:02 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/18/2013 2:46 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Here's a question for discussion...What do you do with all the old > nuts and bolts you collect? I have this discussion with myself regularly. Often quite loudly. > Do you throw them in one big coffee can? Sort them somehow? Or > (gasp!) toss them and buy new whenever you need them? I keep generic sizes and shapes (SAE 1/4-7/16 in size increments from 3/4 up to 3 or so, M6/M8/M10 in a smaller range of sizes) in inventory, buy 'em from McMaster-Carr. But...there's all kinds of oddball and interesting fasteners that come out of things you disassemble, and it's really a PITA to sort and stock all those things. They all go into gallon-size buckets my wife brings home from work (the gallon size were usually olives or salad dressing, the five-gallon ones pickles) and get sorted when the stack of olive buckets gets too tall for me to work around. That's one of those "it's ten PM, everyone else is in bed, get your sorry ass out to the shop and do it" jobs. Slightly less painful now that I've got speakers and amps and a little Bluetooth dongle wired up in the garage and shop so I can blast my Dollyrots and Girls From The Clouds Pandora channels while I work, but I've still got a WHOLE LOT of those jobs stacked up. > Been cleaning the shop today, and pondering buying one of those HF > tumblers and polishing all my old hardware... Most of the good factory stuff has yellow zinc or cadmium plating, or some sort of passivating, that you don't want to knock off if you don't have to, so watch out for polishing. I need to come up with some sort of plating setup for various stuff, old OE-specific nuts and bolts like the Ford 5.0 rocker-cover bolts with the stud that sticks up for the plug-wire loom to snap onto, the airbox snap-latches for the same application, etc. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 19:25:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981E342708 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:25:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FFC403A0 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:23:36 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=4CmGb8Q_2kMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=RGHADLMfqK8A:10 a=81ygMBayzoKRjFFu9W8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 78/73-15971-79371125; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 01:23:35 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'shop-talk@autox.team.net'" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:23:41 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6cXSSVPRKtMzvWS7u/GNidliZWcwAGx2Dw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Here's a question for discussion...What do you do with all > the old nuts and bolts you collect? For the largest portion of them (in standard shapes & sizes), I sort them out into drawers. I've got several shelves full of metal drawers salvaged from a previous employer who was closing a business area; plus quite a few of the smaller cabinets with the plastic drawers. Then some of the oddball stuff is in coffee cans, sorted roughly by where it came from. At some level though, I just throw them away. The odds of my ever needed the funky threaded peg for the shift linkage on a POS car that blew up 10 years ago just aren't high enough to merit keeping it; even though it would be difficult to replace if I ever did need one. I've got "Screw to Win", and I might take Carroll's advice if I only ever built race cars. But when I'm just replacing the leg on the BBQ grille, Grade 5 is a waste and I'm more interested in not having to make a trip to the hardware store to find that M6x1x64 screw that fits. ISTR that somewhere towards the back of the book, he also admits that high tensile isn't always necessary. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 20:11:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A0B403C6 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA1140355 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 02:10:39 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.111] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 02:10:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 02:10:39 -0000 s=s1024; t=1376878239; bh=XLH8wbDz1xDEgKPsVb0ZMvWHhoNSsWneXIMGNinCe+c=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Ik1NOVm0ei6V6E5LvGUmJyXawl4LK/gfhxPMnwQKpJvos3OG/OnZ8dHk03Xk1gUsgAvo9N+rx97dDhDWJP2B7iJuT39GeHiKGLEXcbXfR0djwwGEMrV5cLvtSeyOCR7JFPZarbzFFZrBPOTM1jD3obaR1F3TJ/gA6NC/lrtUouA= bXYz0drN_Oc9fXf.3U2oDibcfrDEeeLH.RpUcGtWATh4MRQAuBaswRXUWkhe a5yWrbybQtzpapylss5Ivkcu9dD0eImmjiQp6x76vHNjxOVlCtGPQlYNAg5y d1ggHfsOKPh72zy33ksfAf6ZERzcf3MEWkm878Xa.VH9w8bJeG_CrtrXpWxY FBJEZOWzzNZob8OjFt4c0ke.jt2hmDF0Kr6pMCh8cwypq_bAjHEYm_bpq.IE NfWFW.dAnK8awE7j8.Pu_v8LdjEIs8V14EGYDvyykcuFYApfXIsXTLgRhLES qdIFYan4MeI6Zz6blqtlTJcVyqwWI9jruUGSop.dpYWQBKDnItAVmW.aG6Vc UBli.r9uebdC0X0I6KfzXtxTbGsW9juTjTr_EEt9aWlUikLY6amPLEkHtici .DRzCqbYRveuSzqIv.otgFXAzzDugaxPA8tsT7a.a8nMcOmsTjYVI3tbxDJJ 0SmVBZfLZj.J5h9Nncev.eDH6MpkejMz6vKVBKG2A17vwwaYIk7Cybvg8PjG rLt1KLYkiz7a.j8AoxwK6mpZcMFu9urfoUrnhU_ODCYVqhxgrwK79EzSihQ- - login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2013 19:10:39 -0700 PDT From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" References: <78.73.15971.79371125@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:10:55 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net guys... when you only have 24x24 you got to do better than coffee cans... get organized... http://jniolon.classicpickup.com/storage/storage.htm I've got a 5 gallon bucket of old stuff that has been sitting in the corner for years....I think it's still there... I use new for everything ! cheap insurance later John _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 20:50:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CA0403F1 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:50:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E32940381 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:50:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 18550 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2013 02:50:24 -0000 Received: from 108.17.52.17 (HELO tonylaptop) (108.17.52.17) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2013 02:50:24 -0000 From: "Tony Vaccaro" To: "'Tim'" , "'Shop Talk'" References: <4b2930df.4fbf46.1409381823d.Webtop.49@charter.net> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:54:36 -0400 Thread-index: AQD9k3llaxofBUwVGELE9VNyhxjjB5s954xQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] oil leak detection dye Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net All of the Castrol oils that I know of have a ultraviolet additive that is visible under that light. You can buy an additive at any good auto parts store and put it in your oil, but I would check you oil first with a UV light. Tony Vaccaro Lotus Owners of NY (LOONY) www.lotusowners.com 716-861-1412 -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:18 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] oil leak detection dye Has anyone here used one of these products? Are there any specific engine types that it shouldn't be used on? Any advice solicited. Thanks! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tvacc@lotusowners.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 21:13:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B5C403D5 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:13:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609084035A for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.164]) by out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 19 Aug 2013 03:13:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.102]) by relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AE05FE5; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 03:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay05.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.168]) by localhost (filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.102]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ukFDQg6iKMmK; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 03:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-151-216.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.151.216]) by relay05.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E819C2F92A; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 03:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:12:59 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: John Miller References: <52116782.2040101@milleredp.com> Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, had to look those up. On 8/18/2013 5:32 PM, John Miller wrote: > Dollyrots and Girls From The Clouds _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 21:15:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9444273B for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:15:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f170.google.com (mail-we0-f170.google.com [74.125.82.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB5D4035A for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:14:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id w62so522499wes.1 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:14:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kQZJZSznHgZoO3VGC1MexC62h/Dwf22qXpcL/kVSyx0=; b=gzqvCiAL0GWvU5UVLJavLAH0p0mfc2qSG25EFCpd/j719Dm0/7Pt+bx+5D/z6iuTDM lEaN/TQdCxQ5hHCAICuZMkEktaWp2kQH97tOLnuNJVp/oj3E+n1OXNkYAXJoAaSTQZY9 XHa/dteESqeUAtigI0czwGjf09Em2MvhwpD0OuywiTogfYDMO8YkAwHRuOZlJUegtRem 0rpB1czX6NiXE3O1k4PvX6MGhxhfCXx6ClRtvnJe2GA5Z3ij5UOf63QiwdxW5Ujd9CX2 RXtJ0NwHwa9q9cMGQ06LMCBqRiS9BXW4Q//QLR3/+Jf1l2QNaPaILinAMHuGRFxrGY+w +0BA== Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.199.10 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 20:14:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <78.73.15971.79371125@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:14:56 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Randall wrote: But when I'm just replacing the leg on the BBQ grille, Grade 5 is a waste My Grade 5 bolts cost a buck thirty more than grade 2 PER POUND! Gosh, that must be nearly a nickel each for a decent bolt! Tony On 18 August 2013 20:23, Randall wrote: > > Here's a question for discussion...What do you do with all > > the old nuts and bolts you collect? > > For the largest portion of them (in standard shapes & sizes), I sort them > out into drawers. I've got several shelves full of metal drawers salvaged > from a previous employer who was closing a business area; plus quite a few > of the smaller cabinets with the plastic drawers. > > Then some of the oddball stuff is in coffee cans, sorted roughly by where > it > came from. At some level though, I just throw them away. The odds of my > ever needed the funky threaded peg for the shift linkage on a POS car that > blew up 10 years ago just aren't high enough to merit keeping it; even > though it would be difficult to replace if I ever did need one. > > I've got "Screw to Win", and I might take Carroll's advice if I only ever > built race cars. But when I'm just replacing the leg on the BBQ grille, > Grade 5 is a waste and I'm more interested in not having to make a trip to > the hardware store to find that M6x1x64 screw that fits. ISTR that > somewhere towards the back of the book, he also admits that high tensile > isn't always necessary. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 22:18:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE294003A for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219E84003A for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-200-206.morrisbb.com [173.246.200.206] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r7J4IVCj010911 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:18:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:18:25 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Shop Talk List References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/18/2013 5:46 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Here's a question for discussion...What do you do with all the old > nuts and bolts you collect? To me the trick is how do you keep them usable and accessible without blowing too much time micro managing them. Being able to find a precise size quickly in a pinch without making a 12 mile round trip to Lowes or the FLAPS (assuming they're open) is a BIG time and money saver. I've bought maybe 8 of those plastic "mix" boxes of "Asian metric fasteners", "metric O-rings", stainless steel sheet metal screws, etc. 'Cause you can get then at cheap places for $4 - $10 bucks, and if you use ONE piece out of the box in a pinch and it saves you a drive, it's paid for itself. For all the dimensional stuff I buy from the box boxes in little bags for a particular job, I have a bunch of 3"x4" zip-locks from ULINE. Once of twice a year they all get re-bagged and a spreadsheet (available on request) prints out large easily readable standardized tags I cut up and drop in the bags. They are loosely grouped in bins like "large wood screws", "metric machine", "washers", etc. I have others that are just lose "misc SAE machine screws", "Nissan hardware", "Misc sheet metal screws". I can scrounge through quickly and find an exact fit if needed, or something close enough. A lot of it is NOT worth keeping or sorting and just gets tossed in the scrap bin. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 22:53:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77837403BA for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:53:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9132A40358 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:52:57 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=4CmGb8Q_2kMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=RGHADLMfqK8A:10 a=GMao9U3DvulgMnflPE8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 84/81-05415-8A4A1125; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 04:52:56 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop Talk List'" Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:53:02 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6cils1LKuIXmVrQcu4JRCzMBXmqAADRj+w Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > My Grade 5 bolts cost a buck thirty more than grade 2 PER > POUND! Gosh, that must be nearly a nickel each for a decent bolt! Yeah, but how much does it cost in fuel and time to drive to the store to pick up just one bolt? Especially at 5:55 on Sunday, when the store closes at 6. If they even have the right size in stock. And the BBQ grille will never know the difference. I could put a mil-spec titanium bolt in there, and it would grill just the same. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 18 23:17:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED574403C7 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 23:17:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com (mail-wi0-f177.google.com [209.85.212.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAC340325 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 23:10:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hq12so2575658wib.10 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:10:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=17RBnbd8uQCguIQ2ug778/xukJNWSS7qGzfG64J06DI=; b=aokQT31BaAVMJHwlUjWF6zB/g8UEVg72wGL2JBhmw5FWUQaEX+ChO91zkNHBGaZWvN 2L+cewyv27Y3/4p+401g93jBuSTzkQA0U9vnPeRLdk3ErTdg+nLsZNOackgTjmVQJAeL MYVFTU31kQH6HaL13HEH2w6sD/SrH6T4oe+7MVv4vgQjoNlDzFaPU1vtTt878j/NYCzo o6haUFiCq3OobqN/Zk6YLNMTCvGfmDuRJ6fAEvg8fAec1l9egVCeWGB2C2LWm9FDdoIN BVbTN4li12gFgxv6llz/K7uu9vjS/mFqZOxrOD2OfOdBGL8zacrIYM+dPVXD6OuqUxle tk4A== xs10mr3619728wjb.29.1376889050404; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.199.10 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:10:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <84.81.05415.8A4A1125@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 00:10:50 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Randall wrote: Yeah, but how much does it cost in fuel and time to drive to the store to pick up just one bolt? Especially at 5:55 on Sunday, when the store closes at 6. If they even have the right size in stock. *Now we're back to why I have a bolt bin, AND your Chinese bolt will likely fatigue-strip and dump your T-bone in the dirt tomorrow :->.* *Tony in Texas* On 18 August 2013 23:53, Randall wrote: > > My Grade 5 bolts cost a buck thirty more than grade 2 PER > > POUND! Gosh, that must be nearly a nickel each for a decent bolt! > > Yeah, but how much does it cost in fuel and time to drive to the store to > pick up just one bolt? Especially at 5:55 on Sunday, when the store closes > at 6. If they even have the right size in stock. > > And the BBQ grille will never know the difference. I could put a mil-spec > titanium bolt in there, and it would grill just the same. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 05:57:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF90403C8 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:57:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A76C403B1 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:54:03 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=4CmGb8Q_2kMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=RGHADLMfqK8A:10 a=7FQCccKn3IRWJRW2WxMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6JQKl0UDY9AA:10 a=743PUMCfUpgA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55010] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 57/16-05415-A5702125; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:54:03 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop Talk List'" Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 04:54:09 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6cm3qJLX2Q/UwxQOip+gjOIXJ5JAANLq/g Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > AND your Chinese > bolt will likely > fatigue-strip and dump your T-bone in the dirt tomorrow The trick is in knowing if a fastener is adequate for the job. Some applications, even Grade 8 won't cut the mustard (5 is actually pretty soft); but sometimes even old pasta will do. That particular bolt has been doing it's job for some 30 years now, so I really doubt it will fail tomorrow. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 06:13:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E635A403D9 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A411403B1 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id m15so1528869wgh.5 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:13:19 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+Y5APJ5rdYmRYPIJZEZxaTT90v+UjYmw5XZjHHKVnEw=; b=L6LX/ItXIxCSXh5ErYK5pedYN3bRwbGJcXtD6TrdBr+hngcuJMVN9+7uJ+gKGoN1FB 6ykBGOfXf62Px/uFKM2O0LCF2DWSL2m1421+PqlL5Y8HFINbzQ5LjSygiehzA1qTgkRX y9vQaGHnW/LkFBeKoB+yWaBWDTn88H0eZgwstDOSWfPJCCseRcIVoFfK5mXrqQe+xKBj GOz6eY6wqf66bzCW1b5maNxbD6vodtrVVuj95HgCGXSTBM9G+9P0f4VkNMFoXNUYwNyQ ZegoQHDT3OL8F68QAOkgXIjeirqSet0csIOZrsvthB793WgYUyCicRFSZmpDWxIjjGoQ F1hw== ea15mr7951226wic.16.1376914399330; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.199.10 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 05:13:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <57.16.05415.A5702125@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:13:19 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Randall Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yep, if I were you, I'd stick with the pasta. Tony On 19 August 2013 06:54, Randall wrote: > > AND your Chinese > > bolt will likely > > fatigue-strip and dump your T-bone in the dirt tomorrow > > The trick is in knowing if a fastener is adequate for the job. Some > applications, even Grade 8 won't cut the mustard (5 is actually pretty > soft); but sometimes even old pasta will do. That particular bolt has been > doing it's job for some 30 years now, so I really doubt it will fail > tomorrow. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 06:26:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0E6403D9 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:26:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6776C403B9 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:23:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] [216.223.232.123] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id eb4c00014d051230; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:23:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 06:23:31 -0600 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Randall References: <57.16.05415.A5702125@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Cc: 'Shop Talk List' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/19/2013 5:54 AM, Randall wrote: >> AND your Chinese >> bolt will likely >> fatigue-strip and dump your T-bone in the dirt tomorrow > The trick is in knowing if a fastener is adequate for the job. Some > applications, even Grade 8 won't cut the mustard (5 is actually pretty > soft); but sometimes even old pasta will do. That particular bolt has been > doing it's job for some 30 years now, so I really doubt it will fail > tomorrow. > > -- Randall > Just to elaborate--there is a grading system precisely because some bolts are just fine for some applications, but not for others. The same is true of bearings. The ABEC bearing system was developed for the same reason the SAE fastener system was devised. It's just part of an industrial system developed over generations with the principle of optimum utility in mind. It's a waste of money and resources to use hardware far beyond the demands required of it. What's much more important is to know _when_ and _how_ to use the right fastener for the job. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 08:31:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB767403F1 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:31:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4E940396 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:27:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 14:27:39 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.148] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 14:27:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 14:27:39 -0000 zcxxMgtlzY1PPYyPqd1tZXNBabFl3YFvsq58BZFUDn3VaoTeKkT7XJEdha7T F9vCvJsiGP_5aJw3G8oKRBcSNMIkOUeRldiqKvQakqx5rDcODYYDsoCexd_X lQwCwtDBEvJV46HIT.j3U5JBM3efNXwrJwWtD.xsYo1Cg2lHIl9V.tnnD1a1 l74Lg_yO_Ph_J_RILrQQfwoG.UX_tN0.RaVYBKv17ePBI2FTLWhHrLP6sCnK PyooNkJ7fRYad3MfGihphsAWrCCQ1QCinKP2FeQQ7k3nh4XmJuqB71OV3C4o ehswcowraWJisPqTWTdPDNS53uBP2QANmabUMrGMAxt1RYLPSDS_mWuY6UHj 3YBoiS.DxvSAKnhyiK.4Q1AEsiPQtPk11Ur5x4tugOQ4ftBJtnmIcskvALVZ WBlX3Eh6PZDzpK.EDN5KtFc_ZqnAhT8LH8VtAcP1nFHbkAPMEWV6mKu9Tfi3 vBF6PGCB.MCfHT5uHrGkOUgDdMoFyfNdY2fzZ859sDsZ_bP..zcBiD05memn ZEMkVGfIOVwYjMeQ- smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2013 14:27:39 +0000 UTC From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Elton E. \(Tony\) Clark'" , "'Shop Talk List'" References: <84.81.05415.8A4A1125@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:27:39 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJUqXdU57Hcbn0LdNjUJq3LB/dxLAGmJtQwARpD1IeYenlYgA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not taking sides here - I have a number of heavy drawers of highly-assorted nuts and bolts that go back to my dad and grandfather, and I do the stupid dig when necessary. BUT - Tony's response definitely wins my humor of the day award !! > *Now we're back to why I have a bolt bin, AND your Chinese bolt will likely fatigue-strip and dump your T-bone in the dirt tomorrow :->.* *Tony in Texas* _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 08:54:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436CA40334 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F564032B for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:53:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.162] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 14:53:52 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.244] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 14:53:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2013 14:53:51 -0000 0MU8I3HA4sK3NBZxSl.Na65WM2T.Sg2UTNffdN4IOap_bYAql0GIWzxLrOix Gnaz0a9BbIeCyL8Cjb1OyGGQEGwDjz_cS3_YJT0wzMZ.mmjowGS3Mqx.0Drf H7W8dlOzzIfspWCTl1.hQ8OOLcQsdsxsj0Zf5iS3_8clgAcf7nk9YCLpcM_8 TqGALghs5w4R_K1Z2zXtVg20jTR7Q_pXWwJoWqb_.Uw_PHSUrqW1RAmk.d8P 2z6_Pgdj1tcJk_ZJfIgk8ywZRg1efUgSElUgWzy.lytyrL5l9dPBQJCsH9La yyb9hzDMkbkULbYXg2CKLhhDZZISSVwRhBwbSZzhEWzzLMnomt3gTWc0HC1H CnxoHLl.k8Ga7Kiue0WoMIWopODUBiZhYapViZYKvllVd_B5WjDnjSPwjp0K ZOVOVH45Ou4Lp3I04CoLBbB9dqL7loyHeoZ7VwjX7vTsNYkpXJcyDiPJaYll Mt0GBQxyqjJeCBFpqGRlnLn3i0ZPiqgdFQOSXhUhEwJdQDSylwAfoD5YPtPD .sUMb66pczSNKKSbjeA.qqhpxseVHJABQ1xqI_m4ktlNjNQO9axv2deXiTkO S..tRzyr1dkIJqBjcIxuAu.81.z2pBgxR.CA4rjWkFSLtn80RmUnn7TloQjb gZE6HDOB1 smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2013 07:53:51 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:53:52 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6c6yxQgkZOAKpuSBGuCSm7FcI6FQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] oil leak detection dye Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I was surprised to learn that engine oils show up nicely under UV light without any dye. A dye may make it glow even brighter, but with a good UV light you can see oil leaks just fine as long as there's a little shade. Here's one - Amazon has quite a few, and I was amazed at the quality and low price of the one (looks identical) that I bought a few years ago. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007SIR08C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&ps c=1&smid=A23BMDV6UOKQGP Karl PS - Also reveals biological products of all sorts on all types of surfaces in all types of places. Not for the squeamish... -----Original Message----- From: Tim Subject: [Shop-talk] oil leak detection dye Has anyone here used one of these products? Are there any specific engine types that it shouldn't be used on? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 09:23:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD64403D9 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D083640396 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:22:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id o17so6223711oag.35 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:22:51 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=2ti8DfutmhZSY05CZnwfbuwWEo5Ut+u/7uziPDiLtRY=; b=ZrZ23LEO9wMVoZK+DfSsfl+B06PeAzAU1fNMyL+JcjxvfIPLR96ASQbKwcj2o0m+GH OeXoRbQyfejWURRHJU3ChzTjkv0ndqc/poy5bAocODBY9m/biwHKe0xqsYhZ5x93C8Kf MmUaLb3k4zQw7WHfloLotWxoqC4QelsYhRVp0Idl73nFZT2Ce/Gj5yxJK1XOJEt5GMoK JGuSObgo+KNsKx/uy125vLbK04ky2l4I53Sf/YzMz1JVCdpvWRMoxpDj3RKv61EmwPd1 k10nFx63OAI3Z71qNj5gHq7nkxXNFgIDn/5QGlBsiaAik3PrXw6GTSuTaGAwSuHqOFls esWw== fs3mr3691494igb.39.1376925771603; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.181.21.190] (mobile-198-228-196-021.mycingular.net. [198.228.196.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q4sm9945924igp.6.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:22:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <004101ce9ceb$ebc69230$c353b690$@Ameritech.net> From: David Scheidt Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:22:46 -0400 To: Karl Vacek Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] oil leak detection dye Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 19, 2013, at 10:53, "Karl Vacek" wrote: > I was surprised to learn that engine oils show up nicely under UV light > without any dye. A dye may make it glow even brighter, but with a good UV > light you can see oil leaks just fine as long as there's a little shade. > Dyes can also change the color it fluoresces. That is handy for finding a leak in a dirty engine compartment. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 09:23:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B560403D4 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.hmc1.comcast.net (omta01.westchester.pa.hmc1.comcast.net [76.96.53.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD281403D9 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from joesbigbox ([174.57.188.195]) by omta01.westchester.pa.hmc1.comcast.net with bizsmtp id EfNt1m00Y4DPCQE01fNtzB; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:22:54 +0000 From: "Joe Szwed" To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:20:57 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6Z4ZxXo6zZITiERBGtdNZrJ6kUjwDDW0BA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 4.54" GRINDER SPINDLE ADAPTER Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Another thought, some grinders are offered with different sized spindles. Maybe you can look at replacement parts and see if they make one with 5/8 spindle and just swap it out. Joe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 > anyone know of a adapter that will screw onto a 1/2" spindle and size > up to a > 5/8 ???? 1/2" is almost the tap drill for 5/8", meaning a sleeve would be weak. Using a standoff type adapter would probably not be a good idea either, since it moves the flap wheel farther away from the grinder, which will increase vibration and the stress on the bearings. Might be best to just put the grinder with the 1/2" shaft up on eBay and buy another grinder with 5/8". Another alternative might be to machine a new shaft with 5/8" threads. Randall ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 19:50:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5562C40406 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E271403DB for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id ec20so3979350lab.28 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:50:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WZmIkgWZ71z9zdn2so/Bx7s897z2zgvstPt/2qPOgcU=; b=i4z/efozC/BIvbKbAoy51naosA64tK32+7Vm/0bfd82eY+UQQ+IebfJ/G2zxKID49m xOirgWrDoLbFhb1j1ApeMi1/4RNUURA+IxnCQOcN8IM01N2FNaUhlt8cD5jX3liP/whr gi3t/4bQQK2//5N22mzWhDzRlVZU7FJTxS+BbT8zolgvfL9p8yDdbOmeoULU78DVnAXJ PdQ3rXJftbWC02wc/EffHhIjLID1IgmeXrVuKHB5qMHAj18Oy/BNj+3scP+8Nlx2r3XL rewUCe8k+tZ+X4ifRb833HamtD4C63xSzxwacWVAjjGRG4RFYjVcmuZd0wBgYHQODQB9 vsIw== Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.133.170 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:50:00 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Shop Insulation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm pondering the next phase of shop construction, adding a ceiling. One part of the shop is a shed-type roof that's fairly low. It would be simple to just put R-19 insulation between the rafters and screw the ceiling to that. Something in my head tells me that you need to leave an air space between the insulation and the roof decking... Is this necessary? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 19 19:56:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EADC403F7 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:56:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7311E40329 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:56:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33E45701 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:01:30 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=z3aVuv4xa3wyxprl8hBKa4LkEbg=; b=UfIoQKtxNYfd ARD9sXW0Ug1H4H98qQro6/nQ+BVHe25Gidb8GpqFeqesTT4w3vlqRClWPcljrxls 8tnYPyXYV9ohTVRHjsiNGgteqcPGA+pJrPdfle0oUbibZfX9mowDGXYwyeyhnV2h 0MPhFs5dv8c6y6oVypxExeBzUeFQ+8o= Received: from munhalp1-nb1.corp.int.com (pool-mnat.min.navisite.com [216.251.225.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 54CBC5700 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 19:01:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:56:46 -0400 References: To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Shop Insulation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 19, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > I'm pondering the next phase of shop construction, adding a ceiling. > One part of the shop is a shed-type roof that's fairly low. It would > be simple to just put R-19 insulation between the rafters and screw > the ceiling to that. Something in my head tells me that you need to > leave an air space between the insulation and the roof decking... > > Is this necessary? If you do, you'll need an intake at the soffit and exhaust at the ridge, and you will have airflow that keeps the roof cool(er). And with R19, the shop will stay a bit cooler too. They make soffit & ridge vents, as well as channels to staple to the roof deck so the insulation doesn't seal off the space. Could also lay 1x2s covered with lauan to make your own channel. A gap on its own won't do anything if there's no where for that heated air to go. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 08:40:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98EB4041B for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:40:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f53.google.com (mail-ee0-f53.google.com [74.125.83.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35464403E2 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:36:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f53.google.com with SMTP id b15so250176eek.12 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:36:33 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=M8xhp9uSfvnqum5p2lZeiSo3xX080wy8tSf4TKfprJQ=; b=emnnqJWYSbLpthrgnnkEFmIxiSowrjCSST4BadJ1JwBXNVLxrXretfCfIBqFaXRJlT 6ZmMjSWsUDqe51YW9dsgdlK1a9xKDSBVXpl9wRrnipk7SvcHCucUPDsl5ejuv9gD9Pla BX12yLfI1OiwdOLQUvDoihHioCKM3Ez2SPfFtgSZPn/dRjsTBJygkPxmrJDOE+rZVmF9 t3buA4zek1OrSPZZWppaKYMWiWzdidS4qopzCwX4ig1dB/m0VaMbNCi4rmIOszOSBJeY fwmGMUMCsvuJ51dFtqwVZ4b540Mj4VBHYBnD4voKLLxU33a3yCneP2NuLzhq8j1ZHbZs wzNw== z41mr2768386eee.38.1377009393331; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.15.54.203 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:36:33 -0700 (PDT) References: <52119C91.2000501@xxiii.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:36:33 -0400 From: Mark Andy To: Wayne Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, I built some shelves to hold them and got a whole crapload of these type of bins: http://www.harborfreight.com/floor-bin-rack-with-47-bins-95736.html (without the rack... Which any sane person would just buy and not spend three hours making like I did.) Then I spent about a week of "a few hours a night" sorting bolts/nuts. That's the hard part done. The nice thing is that with that done, its just like going to a hardware store, without dumping a coffee can of bolts on the ground sorting through them trying to find what you want. MUCH nicer. I also have a couple grab bag cans of used wood screws, used sheet metal screws, etc. The less fun part is being disciplined about keeping them sorted when you add new bolts & such. Its not bad to do if you just do it whenever you take that handful of bolts in to keep, but if you let it build up it becomes a little more daunting. Mark On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Wayne wrote: > On 8/18/2013 5:46 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > >> Here's a question for discussion...What do you do with all the old >> nuts and bolts you collect? >> > > To me the trick is how do you keep them usable and accessible without > blowing too much time micro managing them. Being able to find a precise > size quickly in a pinch without making a 12 mile round trip to Lowes or the > FLAPS (assuming they're open) is a BIG time and money saver. > > I've bought maybe 8 of those plastic "mix" boxes of "Asian metric > fasteners", "metric O-rings", stainless steel sheet metal screws, etc. > 'Cause you can get then at cheap places for $4 - $10 bucks, and if you use > ONE piece out of the box in a pinch and it saves you a drive, it's paid for > itself. > > For all the dimensional stuff I buy from the box boxes in little bags for > a particular job, I have a bunch of 3"x4" zip-locks from ULINE. Once of > twice a year they all get re-bagged and a spreadsheet (available on > request) prints out large easily readable standardized tags I cut up and > drop in the bags. They are loosely grouped in bins like "large wood > screws", "metric machine", "washers", etc. I have others that are just lose > "misc SAE machine screws", "Nissan hardware", "Misc sheet metal screws". I > can scrounge through quickly and find an exact fit if needed, or something > close enough. > > A lot of it is NOT worth keeping or sorting and just gets tossed in the > scrap bin. > > -Wayne > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/marka@**maracing.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 09:27:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564CD40418 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:27:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailfront4.g2host.com [208.42.184.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05CE403D7 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:23:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.164.52.117] (account arvidj@visi.com HELO HP62011) by mailfront4.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPA id 120983799 for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:23:58 -0500 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: "Shop Talk List" References: <52119C91.2000501@xxiii.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:23:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net To explore an implied part of Jeff's question ... "and pondering buying one of those HF tumblers and polishing all my old hardware" Those of you that are "recycling", what are you doing before you file them away ... be it into a gallon bucket or into a labeled drawer? Arvid _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 09:46:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD366403EE for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:46:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294C6403CF for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2013 15:45:57 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.207] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2013 15:45:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2013 15:45:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 20825 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2013 15:45:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377013556; bh=802sIPK1gGfso25nXx6cMu3iiC+F6CYwLvtWwcazxzI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CSbvVi6jAqUkqsvaJbHCwlWCc/ijJhKb7M8geYGu9QwbYIjePVJwx8pVhUGyGhf7vPLWDq3TTqJx7nIDZnEGbS71fE74MJk5LQUIoP3hQHXswXLKpvnlYh7HQ1wgXIYG7o4yC2IK6Uv9m+ymv8wsgm+ld9WFrj4gTeGcv+izLJw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kxcg5OKNVmkQwJEdlViunb+xvRnWRt+JN7iEL8FtXh8VG8Jf4gMwjaqHYSQ9xkKrxp8+VpdFLvJb2sFEoQ24a1DzdjPY02H2YK4ZIiIB2/tln3siQNEvFVkH+pLryNfB0H4poCsiUZAp3mYR+a9K+j2jEbbQy6ZGejNB8AkXcCk=; fUGlICL5taKQz7Bf61B6irOSrNwRORZy0tp0VzONvzAPPRbbMZubIKG0LT_q EjWfttUsszTXqjVFf2eQWCv.XiI82MvTalOE_K2GqsIwjUpZ0nNHL7AoEu19 Mvh8dvrVbz1PBIUxRXnvc2xUyUiXIN.pco.fhfnystpl7sfv.9yGy3wazxMO 41WD_AkKA9G872kPZclJn2vRtAZgaHFdf8jMFJ7Oeg0V1G36bPylBTc5j.3x 6VW3tyvNIZdGXoLJQ5UlomndRjjPcTtiSDeWYXzcbtsz9juewRX0KfErUGby Qt4cnBKBr5zIDQDIKQNBZkl23krOyq3lJBdfqDuSIV0mLW2brbEQYoRHl4br 4fgmXeMcAL1L.lGib9tu0G8V2DEHjCgxcvuJIL3RHUv_ejKIvG6XLsdLoUHH OFnD8bIPcwztPvi4_X62tXw9dT_Md9_Oq.6ntKRHsIFL8DA9hfxEkhZ79Dlb ykieyB6W3cZ5uuJLJR8ogW2cs9HK4ff587vsNsvIcv04A8nYWLH0UEPBC8Eq pMLxt1sWfujY6fNIA1QbZR4JFbkQARU0khyjgr_o.X7HmC2PnvSxI4rVZWGy RYywwqwVtj6gBLCnYJCikheeKx7cq5kxx7Mk- Received: from [128.151.71.16] by web161703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:45:56 PDT SSd2ZSBkb25lIHRoYXQgLSBhbHRob3VnaCBhdm9pZCB0aGUgSEYgdHVtYmxlci4uLi5pdCB3aWxsIGJyZWFrIGFuZCBiZSBhIHRvdGFsCnBhaW4uIEkgaGFkIG9uZSBhbmQgaXQgd2FzIGEgaGVhZGFjaGUuLi4udmVyeSBiYWQgZmFpbHVyZSBtb2RlIHdoZXJlIHRoZQptb3RvciBrZWVwcyB0cnlpbmcgdG8gcnVuIGJ1dCB0aGUgYmVhcmluZyBzZWl6ZXMgc28gdGhlIG1vdG9yIGdldHMgdW5nb2RseQpob3QuIE5vdCBnb29kIGZvciBhIGRldmljZSB0aGF0IHlvdSB3YW50IHRvIHR1cm4gb24gYW5kIGxlYXZlIHUBMAEBAQE- References: <52119C91.2000501@xxiii.com> <4875FF427EB8413990CA6304C45D854C@HP62011> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:45:56 -0700 (PDT) From: John Babiarz To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've done that - although avoid the HF tumbler....it will break and be a total pain. I had one and it was a headache....very bad failure mode where the motor keeps trying to run but the bearing seizes so the motor gets ungodly hot. Not good for a device that you want to turn on and leave unattended for hours (days) on end.... I bought a good one at BassPro - it is much better built and has lasted WAY longer so far. I have done a bunch of containers of hw and the come out great. I use walnut shells as the media that is sold as animal cage litter at Petco (or your choice of pet store). Much, much cheaper than the same thing from a sporting goods store or even HF. However, be prepared - you will be picking the shells out of the heads of the screws when you are done. I had a small awl I used to dig the shells out. It can be time-consuming but it is worth it. I had a lot of old bolts and screws that were very well made, unlike a lot of newer stuff. Also, I hope you have someplace detached from your house to run the thing in - they are noisy. Luckily, my garage is detached so it runs out there. Even with the heavy wood doors closed, you can hear it doing its thing from 10 ft away from the building. Since it will need to run at least overnight, it won't be popular with the missus if you try running it in the basement. YMMV but these have been my experiences with the thing. BTW - the good unit I got at BassPro was <$100. Cabelas also sells similar (or maybe even the same) unit. Be aware of size of the bowl - if you have long items, they may not fit (once you get to 9"-10" or so). All this said, I'd still say go for it. Those polishers are pretty handy for other things. I cleaned up some old hand tools that were rusted horribly and they look great now. You'll be amazed at what a good job it can do. Just don't overload it.... Good luck. John >________________________________ > From: Arvid Jedlicka >To: Shop Talk List >Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:23 AM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts > > >To explore an implied part of Jeff's question ... > >"and pondering buying one of those HF tumblers and polishing all my old >hardware" > >Those of you that are "recycling", what are you doing before you file them >away ... be it into a gallon bucket or into a labeled drawer? > >Arvid >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jrbabiarz@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 09:58:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581F940418 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECAF403DA for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.158] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2013 15:58:13 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.145] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2013 15:58:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2013 15:58:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 13927 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2013 15:58:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377014292; bh=fZe7/s0Gn95hUvRYLDtBI/uwcKuTLZ0ATBBcEh8h+Lo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ApEb3lffKCISRWooJ3LlY2IPU1qmFYArsJgTO3R9dNQZKWLO8XddJSBfOQiVZgcf4SBxCFYI/mzacMC7OtYjZWoBJTfdEHhgAQ1igU+fT0qjuXAyPnRLTiPYbaaPgRW5Ea/BIiEIXZuuMnvkFGOi5GPAffYE1tJk6Xfbn8xI/eA= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xyoLkpGYGIJG5SPxPxL8x4kb/Wm8G56XctaxAjaMiiu4Vuupvqy/bjx1vC8Z/XiYEjOmC4M30FCbaIB+BWkaBDV+Yk3j0N3PHZLfd6Mwb7mbkfOggSIP6lsb9+3HgC7BgoYdCNvyyh7yZ1nb310Z4Ri30KXpNqPpvRmGKfFuIug=; osR8yYZJ4rWAEzQ3uy_j7zRS.In9fnE7LhHrZ2yUDrbsZ0wpac6p9.U8D93B 53GgTO5IwyzY..0Atv9A1K3XFANPpt0.XnDvH8kodITRoXcc96SjnNfRGqqa izID3bxUJcNHjIIIKWbTfVrBPAqG1ncUBek51nMzYZwgxPDEszNjlbu7FB58 yqVc1F4Kj6cvohLOhkrnur0QGmDMbf7pR94jumjZJhhV4HIY3A.ek1mUHiPa bSWYmdgb3nsD7E5S8u4qoecww0oWxbQlckr_KPG143bBJdi2N8zR1IvHN0Cw t2Cop9zyJIX79jS10nLKUGp_s.csHUABoLOwwOCZ4ozkqlvM9fIc3xL1OE24 xVLhF7OlZ8TjqDC4n6FcoXJ94YfkRUunmoWRrsQBED9DW4SEghJbJ6YHm3MD Po3xvIAcOFTIae9a0vNXBENkgj0HM0256a1Ou5ctGqZ.1uKw6zwrL3YRp4mx Py0N_FBpNHDufQqJDlP9QVh6kLm.0CMZ3aqD4UBgWEJQhhuBI63cps8F.LAK WIN0Msty9MmDt9qwDgtIaNHgbaZIG6n9K8n_s9VK0ssxCu3C_M9OcczGweth 1dmtGdBF5Q4ZzRm3lBJ2sUyZRRT5nFEs9gTluJbQKKVaTsFR32PYwSleH60L 9I7VcGdfzDratoaHD7nD37Hfe8A3y5w-- Received: from [108.227.226.77] by web181503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:58:12 PDT CgrCoGhlcmUncyBhbm90aGVyIGlkZWEKCgpodHRwczovL3d3dy5mYWNlYm9vay5jb20vcGhvdG8ucGhwP2ZiaWQ9MTAxNTE4MDM5NzI4MDg4OTAmc2V0PWEuOTA2NTcxMTM4ODkuODIzMTYuMzAzNDA0Njg4ODkmdHlwZT0xJnRoZWF0ZXIKCgpKT0hOCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgpKdXN0IGJlY2F1c2UgSSBnaXZlIHlvdSBhZHZpc2XCoApkb2Vzbid0IG1lYW4gSSBrbm93IG1vcmUgdGhhbiB5b3UuLi4KCkl0IG9ubHkgbWVhbnMgSSd2ZSBkb25lIG1vcmUgc3R1cGlkCnN0dWZmIHRoYW4geW91IAEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 08:58:12 -0700 (PDT) From: john niolon To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] NUTS & BOLT STORAGE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net here's another idea https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151803972808890&set=a.90657113889.8 2316.30340468889&type=1&theater JOHN Just because I give you advise doesn't mean I know more than you... It only means I've done more stupid stuff than you _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 10:29:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D4E40454 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:29:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3880A403DA for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f54.google.com with SMTP id e53so303417eek.41 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:23:15 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=2cDY4GFdUU41OTNsJNYZ+WBLFsS+vukX1A9wUlaMaik=; b=YejDb2JNJdQd/ouvG39QLH28WKuk+S+JuudDORRMJGa935jPg/NZpU7Z2cKwKagiin m0izV8rPNSf7zIewLqAh3gDVMJ1z7ewEAL1JnAR/D76jEWfkKAMzsB8Ad9SE8/+fydb1 4dURc8MgrhdlPy8JfDIedQPzkS7SyT3wK7LJ+9xu4NLn28EP3zlryqgUeSJlxjavT6H9 i4FY4h+ebrWMDIlbGNVCCL+VwkkG4eTBbAQ0x6qWVRTKWnXnFOw1T1hWbqffeJELvFV8 chqpwjIeZiEi+UIDezGhhtTgBEgH86aq/k4nBGa1xJ1N15EAD/qHtg3YdebOS2sK1D0F 4UTA== Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.15.54.203 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:23:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <52119C91.2000501@xxiii.com> <4875FF427EB8413990CA6304C45D854C@HP62011> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 12:23:15 -0400 From: Mark Andy To: Arvid Jedlicka Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, I don't do anything. If the bolt is mechanically messed up, then I toss it. If its not, it goes into the bin. I'll clean it up if I reuse it. Mark On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Arvid Jedlicka wrote: > To explore an implied part of Jeff's question ... > > "and pondering buying one of those HF tumblers and polishing all my old > hardware" > > Those of you that are "recycling", what are you doing before you file them > away ... be it into a gallon bucket or into a labeled drawer? > > Arvid ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/marka@**maracing.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 20 16:21:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A463403D7 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:21:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FD8403DA for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:07:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20130820220712168.MEMG29869@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:07:12 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=RGHADLMfqK8A:10 a=ssbLmUFH0WKJ53v5HU4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:58802] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id DD/49-21526-486E3125; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:58:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:58:28 +0000 From: Randall To: Shop Talk List Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Nuts and Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Those of you that are "recycling", what are you doing before you file them > away ... Basically nothing, except maybe a spritz of preservative oil if I think it's called for (removed wet or showing signs of rust). Then I'll clean as much as necessary when it comes out for use, which usually isn't much (for me). Most of the stuff I save doesn't get used for "cosmetic" purposes. (I'm one of those guys with the engine compartment done in rattle-can black instead of the "correct" body color.) Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 11:44:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458AC40448 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F017F40519 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.246]) by out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 24 Aug 2013 17:44:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.232]) by relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3D29410E for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.246]) by localhost (filter02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.232]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Pv4qdvHlR0bG for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-148-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.148.88]) by relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3DCA99415E for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 17:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:44:30 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Using ultra capacitors to replace car battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A friend sent me this link and it's pretty interesting. The author is using ultra capacitors as an alternative to his car battery and it seems to work. On the link below the lower video is the original where he used larger caps, and the second, upper video, is where he used much smaller caps and a lithium-iron R/C battery to offset the capacitor leakdown, and it apparently was able to hold the charge for at least ten days. Saves a lot of weight and seems to work in a beater Scion but I don't know how well it would work in a diesel P/U in Anchorage in February. > http://laserhacker.com/?cat=6 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 12:18:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6267B40519 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6F740355 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id wo10so1874702obc.41 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:17:54 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=9gqleqDoCCUFGZo5x04tKHOBMC4ylXTSKDS17nhhsT0=; b=VmqKt+BdnSEv/VYnanrbrV3RHXlr8pofhI2ppp1b0JVDHQmjn7VwQG2MqRGM1ioiXM nbdxOUAuq5gdw0rENL7pPI8CMcIbAP4MHi3MHI+62WWCK27csy2YkViEmTaQz3kOpf/5 seBy2jtIPMABCxw5DPEgs6BLEZvUD9mqZzLHPbBx+qpPe/UgphzDG0iJmzK6WkcG83e1 7sxZFUqaoQE/6GBq2Sb8t0z+SU6m0bGK+qvwoLliMsz8e3+BRxIhP+xH5rGdl7m45J7B rfoYdy5H1ZswL5Jyvdx5XcCINiyOdCTBVokt/NI52iyP6hs++da5/KxCO5v6O2sh14NV +RCw== n9mr5688128obh.38.1377368274119; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.96.71 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.96.71 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:17:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <5218F0FE.8020908@frontier.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:17:53 -0400 From: Doug Braun Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Using ultra capacitors to replace car battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How many tries does he get to start the car? Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 12:34:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E154043C for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:34:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1949040357 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:34:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.245]) by out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 24 Aug 2013 18:34:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (filter03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.233]) by relay02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C384E4A12B; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.246]) by localhost (filter03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.233]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id J-OIetqLVRzf; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-148-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.148.88]) by relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A2C689414D; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 11:34:36 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Doug Braun References: <5218F0FE.8020908@frontier.com> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Using ultra capacitors to replace car battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Quite a few in the videos. It never did crank very long, but started right up, even at lower (less than 12) voltages. Recharge time was very quick, too. On 8/24/2013 11:17 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > How many tries does he get to start the car? > > Doug > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 13:12:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7873940416 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:12:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nexicom.net (barracuda1.nexicom.net [216.168.96.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC14740355 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CAD (unverified [76.75.118.42]) by nexicom.net (SurgeMail 6.4a) with ESMTP id 434366049-1712458 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:07:22 -0400 From: "Doug Armstrong" To: "'Shop Talk List'" References: <5218F0FE.8020908@frontier.com> <5218FCBC.6000005@frontier.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:07:19 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6g+KH3AFz8I/EESPmiFMaMPx5kgwABB7LA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Using ultra capacitors to replace car battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Any thoughts on how this would work in a car with no charging system, such as a Formula Ford with a race time of 1/2 hr.? A simple way of shedding some weight. Doug Armstong -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave C Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:35 PM To: Doug Braun Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Using ultra capacitors to replace car battery Quite a few in the videos. It never did crank very long, but started right up, even at lower (less than 12) voltages. Recharge time was very quick, too. On 8/24/2013 11:17 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > How many tries does he get to start the car? > > Doug > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darmstrong@nexicom.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6604 - Release Date: 08/24/13 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6592 - Release Date: 08/20/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 24 14:45:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4951B403D0 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:45:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from wavecable.net (mail.wavecable.net [76.14.0.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7484032C for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.14.3.240] (HELO [10.0.1.5]) by wavecable.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 703135090; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:41:56 -0700 References: <5218F0FE.8020908@frontier.com> From: Fred Katz Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:41:02 -0700 To: Doug Braun Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Using ultra capacitors to replace car battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've seen a bunch of videos on these. He gets quite a few starts. When not using the running car to put a charge in, he uses solar panels and they recharge pretty quickly. Very lightweight and reliable. Fred - SSF, CA On Aug 24, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > How many tries does he get to start the car? > > Doug > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 12:20:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86E3403A6 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:20:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1561400A5 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130825182001.RBAJ10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:20:01 -0400 Received: from wt07 ([209.225.8.57]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id H6L11m0021Dq0wp056L1Au; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:20:01 -0400 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Q3_5zmJ3jtFP5t-zynAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=kIBQH8Hm3Rtu1Nz4hT0A:9 a=eCVJwllyHyBN-47f:21 a=BcwT0Smst7MCtTIIGOhIgQ==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:20:01 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:20:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] nylocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On the linkage kit for my Weber carbs, there are nylocks that hold the bolts that hold the dog bones to the linkage arms. Yesterday I lost one of the nylocks and thus the linkage came loose. (A very scary situation with an engine with less than 500 miles on it suddenly not running very well!!! Thankfully it was easily diagnosed and fixed enough to get home!) Has anyone ever experienced a nylock failing to hold or backing off? These were new when they were installed. Since these connections need to be loose with no binding, should I go with a couple jam nuts locked together on each bolt instead of nylocks or just stick with nylocks and carry extras? Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 12:50:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F26403E4 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:50:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9577403C7 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=YK8HsmVrLFAA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=NS_1yNgiAAAA:20 a=ziRATLmHAAAA:20 a=ARUU45tKULHKkWsoZjwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=5dzHL1kAPGmBv0Faw3HT8Q==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.182] ([10.127.132.182:43104] helo=cdptpa-web31-z02) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 5F/2E-21526-5025A125; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:50:45 +0000 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:50:45 +0000 From: Randall To: Shop Talk , Tim Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] nylocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Tim wrote: > Has anyone ever experienced a nylock failing to hold or backing off? > These were new when they were installed. Yes, frequently. I now use "Stover" nuts instead (aka distorted thread lock nuts), which work in a similar fashion but the locking section is steel, just part of the nut that has been deformed to grab the threads. Readily available from McMaster Carr http://tinyurl.com/lf5oszp I like the "conical top" version, but YMMV. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 13:05:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B328D40407 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:05:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail941c35.carrierzone.com (mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E461403DB for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail941c35.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r7PJ597W017334; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:05:12 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Tim" , "Shop Talk" References: <4c697f41.afa587.140b6b44426.Webtop.47@charter.net> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:03:14 -0400 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=zo8hvysWAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=Y8dB46QTyoFyTBmQR3gA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hQGYSrWfYs8A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=0Ob1RWNGeVAA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] nylocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How warm (hot) does the linkage get? I suspect that nylock nuts will loose their grip if they get hot enough to soften the plastic insert. There is a different version that uses a deformed section of thread instead of the plastic insert. I think Stiff Nut is a trade name. http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/restore/rt104d.htm Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Shop Talk" Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:20 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] nylocks > On the linkage kit for my Weber carbs, there are nylocks that hold the > bolts that hold the dog bones to the linkage arms. Yesterday I lost one > of the nylocks and thus the linkage came loose. (A very scary situation > with an engine with less than 500 miles on it suddenly not running very > well!!! Thankfully it was easily diagnosed and fixed enough to get > home!) > > Has anyone ever experienced a nylock failing to hold or backing off? > These were new when they were installed. > > Since these connections need to be loose with no binding, should I go > with a couple jam nuts locked together on each bolt instead of nylocks > or just stick with nylocks and carry extras? > > Thanks > > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell@mebtel.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 13:20:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8BC403ED for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:20:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F03C403DB for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.164]) by out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 25 Aug 2013 19:20:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.232]) by relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290F46007 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.164]) by localhost (filter02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.232]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id jmb-Nss-U2f3 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-148-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.148.88]) by relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BB9B05FF7 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 19:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 12:20:04 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] stupid cell phone question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have relatively modest cell phone needs. I use a cheap (free) Tracfone and buy more minutes once a year. It works for what I need but doesn't work in Canada, at least, not reliably. Since I live in WA I go to Canada occasionally, usually on my motorcycle, and cell phone coverage is kind of a nice thing to have. Could I buy a cheap, unlocked GSM phone on Amazon, like this one, for example, > http://www.amazon.com/BLU-T190i-RD-Unlocked-Quad-Band-Bluetooth/dp/B00AA6WTOO/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1377457163&sr=8-8&keywords=unlocked+gsm+phone put the SIM card from my Tracfone in it, and then buy a prepaid SIM card in Canada? If yes, do the phone number and minutes I have accumulated on my US Tracfone reside on the sim card, and will the phone number and minutes just transfer on to the new phone? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 14:31:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC15F403E4 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9541A400A5 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:27:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 20:27:39 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.95] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 20:27:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2013 20:27:39 -0000 NqkvHw_HTuiwyMwm2aJb0p5SLxKEqU9wM7QRBJ9iueJKThMPQ4PBn3X6lMg. DZzR34cldFOhxapCeflhPoJoLGV7ApTrrldZ1gq9xxdIrG4AHHI04mbnif9N 7VXFHiE_.DbniTbwBMpSopLlN66B.81nBvGgA4aZfbbsw1g3lTPuZg3lHYnd Zn9yfxBCwMAtewu0ILfXj2CiUMj34.M62BDBXSQgv42rHErCdxF1VcHl_z2A _TOQYvZEc0Rbu4Eow8E56Hg38q4pPThjMBhq_wFrfqIRGNfciHQdas10v_Pl eofQiH5rJybzdAyVrac7IwxWbV9SMA9bkmKjUkER7g_Dxvv9AObRYwwPxuZ1 KInVmsx9v4_I7axERdwpBzYD_SlJenkpg_fKiAB6tuvaK3ZoUACkC2fpoM2k oSLmx9INDd8C1MjnvhOlfW.HDKt1m4ng1i_I5S9LQG6_0iBrWStQ70dPv3I. u5CfJnTPLaZ8AzTnrfSiVjdFDZv3k0p5W7iBVfoihfCRvIegFqNzRIzFALuP kALnA9PuymL0S15JMmVDCk3yWiI6eCvngni_lqlk7pOfv4J.oGzsjxWWSWzl lgglesaGUI5wNVquqz45bfWXHw1mDiAnRhc445MMcRhx_kJ7cNus9Wu5.nbD Jeo723Vo- smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2013 13:27:39 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:27:38 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6h0T9Z4SUEf0uyTeqk3agzdIeYzw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Shop-talk] Eaton compressors? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I need a new compressor pump for my big upright compressor. Anyone have any experience with Eaton compressors, out of Ohio? AFAIK they're not any relation to the big Eaton Corporation, Eaton superchargers, or etc. Different, small company. Their compressors are all cast iron, and they say they have parts made other places but assemble and test and warrantee everything out of Ohio - the warrantee is 3 years. This is the model I'm considering. http://www.eatoncompressor.com/catalog/item/518643/6414555.htm It's not as cheap as many others available, but sounds to be a better unit. Thanks! Karl _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 14:32:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52A7403DF for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE985400A5 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 14:27:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] ([12.162.141.2]) by m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id H8Tk1m00S03JK1Y018TlnB; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 13:27:46 -0700 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:27:38 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <4c697f41.afa587.140b6b44426.Webtop.47@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] nylocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Nylocks are not spec'ed to be reusable, so if you had to tweak them a bit, they may have not been able to lock as designed. I know it is redundant, but thread locker can be used with lock nuts of any type "just to be sure" Peace, Pat Thusly spake Tim > On the linkage kit for my Weber carbs, there are nylocks that hold the > bolts that hold the dog bones to the linkage arms. Yesterday I lost one > of the nylocks and thus the linkage came loose. (A very scary situation > with an engine with less than 500 miles on it suddenly not running very > well!!! Thankfully it was easily diagnosed and fixed enough to get > home!) > > Has anyone ever experienced a nylock failing to hold or backing off? > These were new when they were installed. > > Since these connections need to be loose with no binding, should I go > with a couple jam nuts locked together on each bolt instead of nylocks > or just stick with nylocks and carry extras? > > Thanks > > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 16:06:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8810A403EB for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:06:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27E1403A5 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 16:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130825220604.VIYY10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:06:04 -0400 Received: from wt03 ([209.225.8.43]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id HA641m0080vicD505A64kc; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:06:04 -0400 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=YK8HsmVrLFAA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Tu7Q-X1OfaBSHJNvvMQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:06:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:06:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] nylocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks all. I didn't even think about the heat coming off this wee beasty of a stroker. I bet that is it. Lock nuts of some sort coming. Thanks again!! tim On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Tim wrote: > On the linkage kit for my Weber carbs, there are nylocks that hold the > bolts that hold the dog bones to the linkage arms. Yesterday I lost > one of the nylocks and thus the linkage came loose. (A very scary > situation with an engine with less than 500 miles on it suddenly not > running very well!!! Thankfully it was easily diagnosed and fixed > enough to get home!) > > Has anyone ever experienced a nylock failing to hold or backing off? > These were new when they were installed. > > Since these connections need to be loose with no binding, should I go > with a couple jam nuts locked together on each bolt instead of nylocks > or just stick with nylocks and carry extras? > > Thanks > > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 21:34:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C30403F2 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 21:34:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5356403E2 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 21:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-200-206.morrisbb.com [173.246.200.206] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r7Q3Ygrb039698 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 23:34:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 23:34:36 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Pipe Threading Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Guys, Question about pipe threading. My garage / shop is partially below grade on the bottom level of my house. It has an original propane water heater that has been replaced with an electric unit in a different place (long story.) I want to remove it to free up space in the corner of the garage where it's sitting. I can cap off the water supply lines no prob. Problem is -- there is a black iron threaded gas supply line that drops down from the sheetrock ceiling to 2' above the floor. Not sure how to cap-off or remove it. Whatever fitting it threads into is inaccessible in the ceiling. I don't want 7 feet of pipe hanging down. Is it feasible to saw off the pipe, somehow thread it, and put a cap on? Ideally, I'd just put a pipe wrench on the fitting, and replace it with a pipe nipple & cap. -Thanks, Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 21:49:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7BB403ED for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 21:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E399A403E2 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 21:48:56 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=nKBKw7v7PkAA:10 a=2-KQy7HYAAAA:8 a=dTxMc9o5AAAA:20 a=XYgEwlv0AAAA:20 a=PW2uOFt5jAuIIjlRkfMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=6PFYuX4-dlIA:10 a=5dzHL1kAPGmBv0Faw3HT8Q==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.182] ([10.127.132.182:40222] helo=cdptpa-web31-z02) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id C6/18-23352-520DA125; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 03:48:53 +0000 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:48:53 -0700 From: Randall To: Wayne , Shop Talk List Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pipe Threading Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Wayne wrote: > Is it feasible to saw off the pipe, > somehow thread it, and put a cap on? Sounds feasible to me, if you are reasonably coordinated. You'll need a pipe threader to fit your pipe; then you're going to be standing on a ladder, holding the pipe with one hand and the threader with the other while laying into the threader with a fair amount of force. http://tinyurl.com/l79hgoa I might think about giving the gardener $20 to do it for me. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 25 21:50:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D57540404 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 21:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CA0403E2 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 21:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85DFA0E6F for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2013 21:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 21:50:53 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: Shop Talk List References: <521ACCCC.5070204@xxiii.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pipe Threading Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Given the low pressure of natural gas lines, I'd try cutting the pipe, using a tap to thread it internally and putting a plug in it, rather than threading the outside. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 08:07:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B140403F4 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f171.google.com (mail-ve0-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3D8403D5 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f171.google.com with SMTP id pa12so2133927veb.16 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:07:27 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4MHSaXJR8hByjrE6/IprSCL3mshenIN0M8NfiEA7w1Y=; b=YprJ7jw3ND9tPmvT/AX/l95xtA3X9YvVJS/c1f4kKgx+Z6owBeKqqjx3QCJZQ0PkwJ Kxy5Hlr1lrRIdCdagKC7/yQClS1ssmvMukzND7e8BsLZ6Zq+EpVyNzs6LHDVWJ79IyQK D3WLxp8g0g+CG07ZuIess3P5xBDL0FBc7UhvHIN1r8NMI9XuWmWzAQms/UiKSzKbxPCp 5o053Rsklo8itxKZ8s+W+GYNWtI3n4Oib0yN0jNP+KgunIr42KOBlEWhyAN4tUGrZfc7 H3AfhAJNCCMGU8tX7N7MQtJhD+GMNRRKaECNjpERrTq9+0gUQTxTr3swPyxgydzhIkfg NBUA== da14mr1217256vdb.28.1377526047451; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.95.150.103] (173-12-87-203-miami.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [173.12.87.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tu6sm2159416vec.2.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:07:24 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <521A58E4.8080708@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] stupid cell phone question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net No one else answered, so I'll take a shot at it--the SIM card is the brain of the phone. The minutes and number go with the SIM card. So when you swap SIM cards, you get a new number, different minutes, etc. For all intents and purposes it's a different phone once you swap SIM cards. But let one of the EEs on here tell you for sure. That's just my experience in Europe. I assume any GSM system would operate the same, but I'm not a phone network engineer. Scott On 8/25/2013 3:20 PM, Dave C wrote: > I have relatively modest cell phone needs. I use a cheap (free) > Tracfone and buy more minutes once a year. It works for what I need > but doesn't work in Canada, at least, not reliably. Since I live in > WA I go to Canada occasionally, usually on my motorcycle, and cell > phone coverage is kind of a nice thing to have. > > Could I buy a cheap, unlocked GSM phone on Amazon, like this one, for > example, > >> http://www.amazon.com/BLU-T190i-RD-Unlocked-Quad-Band-Bluetooth/dp/B00AA6WTOO/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1377457163&sr=8-8&keywords=unlocked+gsm+phone >> > > put the SIM card from my Tracfone in it, and then buy a prepaid SIM > card in Canada? If yes, do the phone number and minutes I have > accumulated on my US Tracfone reside on the sim card, and will the > phone number and minutes just transfer on to the new phone? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 08:22:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610CD40407 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailfront4.g2host.com [208.42.184.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F46403D3 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.164.52.117] (account arvidj@visi.com HELO HP62011) by mailfront4.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPA id 121658356; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:22:42 -0500 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: "Dave C" , References: <521A58E4.8080708@frontier.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:22:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] stupid cell phone question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Is there a Canadian equivalent of the Tracfone available ... one where you simply pay for the minutes? Maybe just get one when you are in Canada and then carry it with you when ever you travel in Canada. Yes, two numbers but at least you would have "call out" ability for emergencies and those that you share the second number with would be able to get a hold of you. Arvid -----Original Message----- From: Dave C Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:20 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] stupid cell phone question I have relatively modest cell phone needs. I use a cheap (free) Tracfone and buy more minutes once a year. It works for what I need but doesn't work in Canada, at least, not reliably. Since I live in WA I go to Canada occasionally, usually on my motorcycle, and cell phone coverage is kind of a nice thing to have. Could I buy a cheap, unlocked GSM phone on Amazon, like this one, for example, > http://www.amazon.com/BLU-T190i-RD-Unlocked-Quad-Band-Bluetooth/dp/B00AA6WTOO/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1377457163&sr=8-8&keywords=unlocked+gsm+phone put the SIM card from my Tracfone in it, and then buy a prepaid SIM card in Canada? If yes, do the phone number and minutes I have accumulated on my US Tracfone reside on the sim card, and will the phone number and minutes just transfer on to the new phone? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 08:45:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD8740436 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:45:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailfront3.g2host.com [208.42.184.241]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2765A403E7 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:41:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.164.52.117] (account arvidj@visi.com HELO HP62011) by mailfront3.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPA id 122181693; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:41:42 -0500 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: "Karl Vacek" , References: <000001cea1d1$8b4cb520$a1e61f60$@Ameritech.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:41:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eaton compressors? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I do not have any experience with Eaton but the picture ... even down to the sight glass for the oil level ... and the specifications of the compressor in the link look exactly like the one that I have on the model I518VC2 compressor I bought from http://www.aircompressorsplus.com/Air-Compressors/Industrial-Series/. I have had the compressor for a number of years. It is in the basement and with the air intake muffler installed ... looks like this but came with the compressor and not from Grainger ... http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/SOLBERG-InletDischarge-Silencers-3TKZ2?Pid=search ... to address the intake noise it is quiet enough that Bev has never said anything about it. Performance is all I will ever need and maintenance is a "change the oil ever 300 hours of use", or about every three or four years in my case. Arvid -----Original Message----- From: Karl Vacek Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:27 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Eaton compressors? I need a new compressor pump for my big upright compressor. Anyone have any experience with Eaton compressors, out of Ohio? AFAIK they're not any relation to the big Eaton Corporation, Eaton superchargers, or etc. Different, small company. Their compressors are all cast iron, and they say they have parts made other places but assemble and test and warrantee everything out of Ohio - the warrantee is 3 years. This is the model I'm considering. http://www.eatoncompressor.com/catalog/item/518643/6414555.htm It's not as cheap as many others available, but sounds to be a better unit. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 09:24:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E285F4040B for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:24:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60377403E7 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ia10so2062147vcb.20 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:24:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=emE1Xkq9MDk2hmRv2Utr1oewp9hsPpgLtkaKP1GEdKM=; b=YNdzwQ+P+jyTfHgbvg8JfiAYkPLAhICUOIxIofIgdCI9cpQmy9KP0xj5RAT4gqlCgn vpadbeCrRZEqZsuV0YuA9xueAvHAmKSJpsBugNFu0lpLnWL7nAF9e19muLVfb493lsq0 WCrlSP+XLuboa7lZazKZvqgRS/PbvPgRD4o9sD/H5/V+jt+CpPXCDbNgU1Z3pfzQOo6S x2HM3zqn+4S9T8s58AMsF5iYKQ7zFt05xJ+n39RyKWoT5lVmtPx95jRgLB1WS56jOS/h uNAhEHGrD5yS9E5hDVnZ1X1bi0McmJulYiaff1gIzT/GcKbHkwiY5UrgoD4rhr8Shb7X uuCQ== Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.253.201 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:24:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <521A58E4.8080708@frontier.com> <521B611C.2060201@gmail.com> From: Miq Millman Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:24:07 -0700 To: Scott Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] stupid cell phone question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tracfone uses both GSM (removable SIMcard) and CDMA (non-removable SIM card) phones for their service, and allows their customer to piggyback on existing carriers. You can determine which carrier you are using by the leading characters of the SIM card, it will say something like SIMT for T-Mobile or SIMC for ATT/Cingular. The point is, if you are using a CDMA based tracfone, it will be on Verizon or Sprint, and you won't be able to swap out a foreign card. Pulling the SIM will allow you to move the number to another phone, but you will not keep you r local Washington State number if you put in a Canada Rogers SIM--you will then have a British Columbia based number. Depending on how the Tracfone stores the contact information, you may have access to it. So the question for you is do you have a CDMA or a GSM Tracfone? -- __ Miq Millman miq@bigllama.com Tualatin, OR Big Llama Productions On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Scott wrote: > No one else answered, so I'll take a shot at it--the SIM card is the brain > of the phone. The minutes and number go with the SIM card. So when you swap > SIM cards, you get a new number, different minutes, etc. For all intents > and purposes it's a different phone once you swap SIM cards. > > But let one of the EEs on here tell you for sure. That's just my > experience in Europe. I assume any GSM system would operate the same, but > I'm not a phone network engineer. > > Scott > > On 8/25/2013 3:20 PM, Dave C wrote: > >> I have relatively modest cell phone needs. I use a cheap (free) Tracfone >> and buy more minutes once a year. It works for what I need but doesn't >> work in Canada, at least, not reliably. Since I live in WA I go to Canada >> occasionally, usually on my motorcycle, and cell phone coverage is kind of >> a nice thing to have. >> >> Could I buy a cheap, unlocked GSM phone on Amazon, like this one, for >> example, >> >> http://www.amazon.com/BLU-**T190i-RD-Unlocked-Quad-Band-** >>> Bluetooth/dp/B00AA6WTOO/ref=**sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1377457163&** >>> sr=8-8&keywords=unlocked+gsm+**phone >>> >> >> put the SIM card from my Tracfone in it, and then buy a prepaid SIM card >> in Canada? If yes, do the phone number and minutes I have accumulated on >> my US Tracfone reside on the sim card, and will the phone number and >> minutes just transfer on to the new phone? >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/shop-talk/miq@ > **bigllama.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 09:31:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6714043C for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com (mail-pd0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6AF403E7 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:27:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id p10so3597403pdj.32 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:27:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=huxu0YTGD1fqn2uI/oGTS11ynSwV07T4lDayc247jc0=; b=zgjkTIYqr7yACnWsDX6ms34Qe7UdCKiValLMUPtq+qXPXSvZIlEmv20NRPay9RxIpo kWSUkc0ujamLj8XJk8nUk6mRoswqHaWhDZQLGMt5u9DWEK60b2AzWEuiiTkpyT2XG0XF dbnirffgV+cV4Izxgq1oxaOprkxDlA9N2Gjhpas1GT9kVZwSOeRHyJBrsLQPb/eH43wJ 5UbhQQY2MU/Q0i6Q3fEXjSDS0cw53UYZjWsMe7K3RIVM1Mi21siDRJDV+Vge4fGFi8jv 8YDkE3l4E+6Zqi9flE40yx6dE+NSdkNkDt0RsXFxlac2an3pfKcR4UXdALXZtn9ref01 hs0w== rv11mr15527913pab.17.1377530829213; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.0.17 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:26:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <521A58E4.8080708@frontier.com> From: Peter Murray Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:26:49 -0400 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] stupid cell phone question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dave- Your SIM card carries your account information, and (if you store your numbers there, and not in the phone itself) your contacts, albeit in the limited way that a SIM can (only 250 contacts, name and number only). Warning: Your existing Tracfone SIM may not work in a non-Tracfone unit. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TracFone_Wireless#TracFone You may find that you want to change to a different pre-paid carrier in order to enable the ability to swap SIMs when you cross the border, otherwise, you may have to carry two phones. Any "unlocked" GSM/GPRS/EDGE compatible phone (similar to what you linked to earlier), should be compatible with any Rodgers Wireless pre-paid offering in Canada as well as with AT&T/T-Mobile offerings. You will increase the areas where it works if you get a phone that also has 3G (HSPA) capability like the Samsung Rugby 2 that I got for my FIL: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Rugby-A847-Unlocked-Ruggedized/dp/B005SHQHSE. If he has not broken it in the 2.5 years he has had it, it *must* be tough. I would just stop by a Rodgers retail location when you're next up there and pick up a SIM. Here is a link to their talk-only plans, though they have several different ones, in case texting is important: http://www.rogers.com/web/content/wireless-products/plans?cm_sp=wireless-_-pay_as_you_go-_-plans_banner#,Tabset1--3,,,, You should be able to test it out with your current phone or with your new phone. One other note - you could also look at Republic Wireless, which offers flat-rate US-based $20/mo or $30/mo unlimited talk/text/data plans that permit roaming (at no additional cost) in Canada. US coverage is very good, with Sprint as the primary and Verizon where Sprint isn't - and wifi any time it can get it. I have been happy with the service, and with the use of wifi for voice/text/data whenever it can, places that have only wifi internet and no cell coverage (like my house), the phone works just fine! http://www.republicwireless.com/ NFI, just a happy customer. Happy to answer any questions, too. -Peter On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Dave C wrote: > I have relatively modest cell phone needs. I use a cheap (free) Tracfone > and buy more minutes once a year. It works for what I need but doesn't > work in Canada, at least, not reliably. Since I live in WA I go to Canada > occasionally, usually on my motorcycle, and cell phone coverage is kind of > a nice thing to have. > > Could I buy a cheap, unlocked GSM phone on Amazon, like this one, for > example, > > http://www.amazon.com/BLU-**T190i-RD-Unlocked-Quad-Band-** >> Bluetooth/dp/B00AA6WTOO/ref=**sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1377457163&** >> sr=8-8&keywords=unlocked+gsm+**phone >> > > put the SIM card from my Tracfone in it, and then buy a prepaid SIM card > in Canada? If yes, do the phone number and minutes I have accumulated on > my US Tracfone reside on the sim card, and will the phone number and > minutes just transfer on to the new phone? > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/shop-talk/** > peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 13:58:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533A440407 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:58:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B1B403D5 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 13:58:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170182pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MS5000CZM5TQWG0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:58:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 130.76.64.116 ([130.76.64.116]) by vznit170182 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:58:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:58:41 -0500 (CDT) From: koblinger@verizon.net To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Timing Light Recommendations Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 18:28:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AEB4040D for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21972400A4 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:24:34 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:06:01 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/26/2013 20:05:59, Serialize complete at 08/26/2013 20:05:59 Subject: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, if you remember, I asked about a 1991 2500 Chevy pick up that had been sitting for 5 years. We got it running, and it failed inspection for hydrocarbons being too high (they were 466 and max allowed was 220ppm) The CO% was very low (.68) So, I checked all the vacuums and they were good. I changed the wires, plugs, rotor, distributor cap, and air cleaner. After that, the HC were dropped to 240ppm (20 points too high.) The CO% went up to .94 (still under the max of 1.20.) So, I'm guessing that I can get it down with an additive or running really hot (or cold.) What is the collective wisdom of what I can do next to get the last 20 points? Free is best. Thanks in advance! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 18:37:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56993403F6 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:37:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f48.google.com (mail-pb0-f48.google.com [209.85.160.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334F8400A4 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:37:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id ma3so4053759pbc.7 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:37:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=EZBbrhZCvwgnfuzkqIXEefN9ZhRysry/OJhBefgxM6U=; b=w9Vumvu1IAdHghluxSTizPUHLlVuZZk6RS4hzHZ6W+ooAZh6YjVdsnFawmmPcyo6sw dzBkW74rhouYUrMTV3KXEpr3UKkilPt5HtTVixjRGNR1RkkOolpB8AejkGbiopBVeSm2 Qvx3isXcS66czCthFfqCLcQ7nJk5BVkdb/5JyokW8SnUWlqpGE/kXkrQwviBjkq00rS5 7BANl2P8AWPC+sqAN2MZF//BF4vhxliUOd05rPmhiuoVYRRVtS4dDaUGIalLcLDqIOOH Dh5Kx280A5PP+UN1g9MadnTojuwqL4FWD/nNnszIU3hAR91HCDijiz0PDaNk7m9m6Bro Mdqg== gk2mr5660806pac.166.1377563860119; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.0.17 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.0.17 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:37:40 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:37:40 -0400 From: Peter Murray To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Is the crankcase rebreather working? What about the catalytic converter? Oxygen sensors? -Peter On Aug 26, 2013 8:29 PM, wrote: > OK, if you remember, I asked about a 1991 2500 Chevy pick up that had been > sitting for 5 years. > > We got it running, and it failed inspection for hydrocarbons being too > high (they were 466 and max allowed was 220ppm) > The CO% was very low (.68) > > So, I checked all the vacuums and they were good. I changed the wires, > plugs, rotor, distributor cap, and air cleaner. > > After that, the HC were dropped to 240ppm (20 points too high.) The CO% > went up to .94 (still under the max of 1.20.) > > So, I'm guessing that I can get it down with an additive or running really > hot (or cold.) > > What is the collective wisdom of what I can do next to get the last 20 > points? Free is best. > > Thanks in advance! > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 20:02:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F6C4040D for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:02:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm33-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm33-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1532C403F6 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm33.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 02:01:00 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.192] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 02:01:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 02:01:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 61927 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2013 02:01:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377568860; bh=mxrNmP4nLm19Xb9wtK5MuQqAycdkYAxZtgnKyxzVFMY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TnFEuReAyJ76VlhUlwj2Wr89FlN5Ov0r6sewmi+9esQNq9lNHh+iRH02cFlnDdz5xp5m+Bdjb71r/ms+C19FEnq7tTLU/1fbkSjIanV9Ns6mWVGTBsjsgpMTTHl17jpt8QUxrqffanap+yU5IAt62eovYPY1DVABRYeMh56mAc0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xvr7MYQuFxaMvlas+dnveZl1aCqKBrEuo5+6b406GeP5xkPNPLAhbQoqwOA4aREvvKvQAXpPsGl8vi5jhs3ET2GdmsbKIVrHYfPzONJBgxwqD7Ke0JemFdLQjg5c1PoAGKQyXINuaOz8MoLy+MXdcjL3xKoja0PSBT+a4WaGD1g=; g0bZvIANdvsb0fD373jqI Received: from [68.159.224.11] by web140003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:01:00 PDT DQotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KKHNuaXApIA0KDQpTbywgSSdtIGd1ZXNzaW5nIHRoYXQgSSBjYW4gZ2V0IGl0IGRvd24gd2l0aCBhbiBhZGRpdGl2ZSBvcg0KIHJ1bm5pbmcgcmVhbGx5IA0KIGhvdCAob3IgY29sZC4pDQogDQogV2hhdCBpcyB0aGUgY29sbGVjdGl2ZSB3aXNkb20gb2Ygd2hhdCBJIGNhbiBkbyBuZXh0IHRvIGdldA0KIHRoZSBsYXN0IDIwIA0KIHBvaW50cz_CoCBGcmVlIGlzIGJlc3QuDQogDQooc25pcCkNCg0KPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0BMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net -------------------------------------------- (snip) So, I'm guessing that I can get it down with an additive or running really hot (or cold.) What is the collective wisdom of what I can do next to get the last 20 points? Free is best. (snip) ============================ Raise the idle by a hundred or two hundred and make sure the engine is warm when you get tested. At one point I had to raise the idle by 400rpms and I kinda covered up the tach. I got caught once and went back later that same day to someone else and passed with the high idle. Thankfully that testing crap has been gone for a few years now and the car still runs. It took a few months but I did eventually fix. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 21:19:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3E4403FC for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:19:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DFB40414 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 27 Aug 2013 03:18:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (filter03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.233]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8579323B47; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 03:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.164]) by localhost (filter03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.233]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id A4T6YLdUGmWh; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 03:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-148-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.148.88]) by relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 26F1F5FEA; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 03:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:18:27 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Arvid Jedlicka References: <521A58E4.8080708@frontier.com> Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] stupid cell phone question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There might be one but I have not been able to find it. Most of the prepaid plans require monthly payments, and nothing I have seen seems to approach the low cost of the Tracfone. On 8/26/2013 7:22 AM, Arvid Jedlicka wrote: > Is there a Canadian equivalent of the Tracfone available ... one where > you simply pay for the minutes? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 22:18:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6BE403FA for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5005F400A4 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.162] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 04:15:22 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.240] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 04:15:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2013 04:15:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377576921; bh=oavJyo57g5Ocd5SyKEmhbNVgIpLVc7MerleoLu6Mq/U=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=JD4AcJqRq74dCB6INa9mjvYcUKruQDMEld+GS5LCsROgfto3YI3l37UO8fRnZ1aNea3LXdWMh4+PaILXmb/AiHYyQQH5veF8dptcpyR7FGPEBkLb3dXMu34dkSKbTRFu5VJtKhC9cmfsWixyyc593VjW+UKy9+26yw6GUQeHu0g= 74Y2FrJWCworx0wF_LEzwjyec3BqL58C6SsTXJ10lGXGcco8TefgLpqiPbea a5zXRoc_o5rP1Puk9AgwpAUhC29b207bX6QZl6BsqsK711C6JcvFESMDLrP0 USDUayXYo0YXPabTMcpEqL1._DAu1TF3zVUW_A8L9A6jaAwGoJnMpL2pVmXj q.M0psaenAsWxn5.cucKt2vcAwd4D60IbOovYMK_KV7zppgAo_kN.oxu1Ejd cVupCxDRiU5SXavMJz1lleXZLbw65TKvsIL3LirQqlIvJeIfD9cD8QdqKZic UK7JrOEW2UVWjZcOWlfgDrzhqgGwmxk.bO9DbxuhlwwUGe.e8VzGYJ3CUy_o aBIwLSCoRnDyvAd7ytJ6PLPm8.Gi0Tied6GD0pJhQFFZZVK3IR4SrIkQDyMr vYpXYA7s3LtXuT_Dw2OVb5KFTNZxbfRgDsd3sbPQHVJZbheP0KMVrblA4uaa IchCaiwMnBtgBrrgykpcjgkEd0wj0C0z_5huxYobH0X9M3j22slrC4Bf9jn2 T0vFza0BrMtL7VFKoriEu5nwwK871YKCOKppNHK7RRSpQ smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2013 21:15:21 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Shop Talk List'" References: <5218F0FE.8020908@frontier.com><5218FCBC.6000005@frontier.com> <6FBE3AF5DBBC4F449F164EB77FE50FEA@CAD> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:15:24 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6g+KH3AFz8I/EESPmiFMaMPx5kgwABB7LAAHenTwA= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Using ultra capacitors to replace car battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hypothetical thoughts follow: The capacitors will bleed down a lot faster than a battery, but you might be able to run a very small motorcycle battery to recharge them. The kicker is that capacitors can dump a huge amount of current in a short time, whereas a battery has to be much larger to provide the same instantaneous current. I run a capacitor in tandem with my batteries in our RC planes. When the control surfaces are loaded and being worked hard, they will respond faster with the Capacitor in the system, giving the impression of having a much larger battery (more amps) to power them, yet it is a much lighter system. Jack -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Armstrong Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:07 PM To: 'Shop Talk List' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Using ultra capacitors to replace car battery Any thoughts on how this would work in a car with no charging system, such as a Formula Ford with a race time of 1/2 hr.? A simple way of shedding some weight. Doug Armstong -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave C Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:35 PM To: Doug Braun Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Using ultra capacitors to replace car battery Quite a few in the videos. It never did crank very long, but started right up, even at lower (less than 12) voltages. Recharge time was very quick, too. On 8/24/2013 11:17 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > How many tries does he get to start the car? > > Doug > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darmstrong@nexicom.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6604 - Release Date: 08/24/13 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6592 - Release Date: 08/20/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 26 22:19:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EDE40521 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BED400A4 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:18:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hflz1m0020QkzPwA8gJx7M; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 04:18:57 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HgJx1m00N2xZMJ48NgJxjv; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 04:18:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 04:18:57 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Tim s=q20121106; t=1377577137; bh=M+726EbGZlhtCohD8Dq16jJ9REheXMc5DhnJXUx2oH4=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ACo/ltDqbtMu/nZV6yc4UxPyLIVic7jKSXL2t0GsYdg0QnvPvjJzOnJ/xVvtjQRII d2VrDIdfXAKxCw/p5idn/UuhKJ6b3l+mXBjJXtVlCPhNU2duup7Ijcid87WJoPA5Eh qcCcaEo6ZoKx0OoTAkjNpykFcAgZzXGwdUtViTLS15AzNthwv4fQlqD2V2p0xsMVKP m1BBqnMt8H9lrQWue0T/M/1GsBMxkjrn8ST5py955Dqvfo9OCWi80wL7C5Ypamu7yP 70sufjtfxymGPI018lZgObnBVkqw3LLTl9HVvIc6HodaCThyeyo7mbK0xZ5krcxaX8 v4UsHGXbKmnRg== Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] nylocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You got a plain nut? You got a big vise? You got an all-temperature locknut. Just "oval" it a little bit... Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim" > To: "Shop Talk" > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:06:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] nylocks > Thanks all. I didn't even think about the heat coming off this wee > beasty of a stroker. I bet that is it. Lock nuts of some sort coming. > > Thanks again!! > tim > > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Tim wrote: > > > On the linkage kit for my Weber carbs, there are nylocks that hold > > the > > bolts that hold the dog bones to the linkage arms. Yesterday I lost > > one of the nylocks and thus the linkage came loose. (A very scary > > situation with an engine with less than 500 miles on it suddenly not > > running very well!!! Thankfully it was easily diagnosed and fixed > > enough to get home!) > > > > Has anyone ever experienced a nylock failing to hold or backing off? > > These were new when they were installed. > > > > Since these connections need to be loose with no binding, should I > > go > > with a couple jam nuts locked together on each bolt instead of > > nylocks > > or just stick with nylocks and carry extras? > > > > Thanks > > > > tim > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pethier@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 07:46:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC76D40572 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (mail-oa0-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B29403EC for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:46:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l17so750092oag.3 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:46:08 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fMCo2Rsrub62DNdyz6KjdCuDvwW55o202zHuoa5ryj4=; b=BV3VYi2+eyjxfgjnmK8m2j2phf1vARV08k8shLxii1XSCFR0cgZZ7Xy7badSKqRR4X BC7JQNQ+r+TguszHuahp2SMPynNQ0UZ3OMvJUFJWX8J/N6pOb/CbBzR1nCrPcRUfeWF7 AV5U4cdByQEqObO1jrBRv4ACUL1RzJ4RYARlSb1xDbRy3qTzMOgowBzfG1WH8OEZaFbZ d65wkxBqlauSCW6PAYxE8lpq8kj2tLrnGBsCh7aRZczFLrHOEtcgut9mT/chrKU/wBrQ YsGwUivy83XjxvoLEERL68W4wlPOlhepV6hRA5RA3+UxIUP40U7Lec7rgFW6nDLErDcU acfw== fr2mr1878881obb.57.1377611168248; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.96.71 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:46:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <521A58E4.8080708@frontier.com> <521C1A83.1080702@frontier.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:46:08 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] stupid cell phone question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a spare Tracfone, that we bought for my mother-in-law when she was visiting from overseas. It cost only seven dollars, and I just added 365 days of service for $50. That's $4.17 a month! The actual airtime is about 13 cents a minute, but if you hardly ever use the phone, it's the best deal I have ever seen for that sort of usage model. Their service quality seems fine, and the web-based customer service is OK, too. Doug On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Dave C wrote: > There might be one but I have not been able to find it. Most of the > prepaid plans require monthly payments, and nothing I have seen seems to > approach the low cost of the Tracfone. > > > On 8/26/2013 7:22 AM, Arvid Jedlicka wrote: > >> Is there a Canadian equivalent of the Tracfone available ... one where >> you simply pay for the minutes? >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/doug@**dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 14:22:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54DB406A3 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:22:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113DD4052E for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:22:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id xa7so5300544pbc.17 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:22:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=jw4jlkp/nbn0E+EerWUyeH7zIFSf7mdnIBTBgVfMb20=; b=XNJdaP73RL9rKPl6nrAZJhCqSEmz6amVU1aWUaPrt+m7PcRNnqxYl0Kpp6ghu3echL pUAYdKHN+kDRvAgiiPtxhnWk90M9jTHWjRTfUM+HELuhaxGydIEKjEpP1wPpfuSgFg2T cdDvUVDrPW8gcexX211kzejgeAyBlpfgtpBh2AcAnQQUSdl5H6j2dfkj8iLe4zLUmHD1 WjWT2iQL6aZkPmyQ36734bcQGwpHqyv2fnt6fsw5R9Q6EOf7QZC/CpNPVqx6VO8B8VyR gSnISdvhaK9X9k0jYv1r2rMPZIGNT+D6tKE9ny+myobLU3BiZ1kN6oNBqWL9kTf5QCUU ZXLw== dd4mr23604832pbc.64.1377634934547; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.0.17 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 13:21:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <521A58E4.8080708@frontier.com> <521C244F.9040206@frontier.com> From: Peter Murray Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:21:54 -0400 To: Dave C Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] stupid cell phone question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dave- If you travel up to Canada enough, it might be worth it to pick up a cheap unlocked flip phone like those discussed earlier in the thread, and just get the Rogers prepaid SIM. The talk/text Rodgers plan I thought might fit you best still had a CA$ 0.75/mo fee, but with a minimum top-up amount of $20 and pretty reasonable per-minute rates. If you were to drop $100 in, it would last a year. Otherwise, you can drop in increments down to CA$10 or CA$20, depending on the "plan" you wanted. There is conflicting info on whether the Tracfone will work in Cananda or not, though I'm inclined to believe the forum answers supplied by Tracfone reps... https://www.tracfoneforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6200&t=182655&p=443124&hilit=canada#p443124 Less than $60/year to have a US domestic mobile phone available if needed is indeed a good deal, Doug! -Peter On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Dave C wrote: > Thanks for the link to the Wikipedia article. If true, and I suspect it > is, I am probably out of luck as far as using the Tracfone sim in another > phone. I have heard that Tracfone has their network screwed down pretty > tight. > > Republic Wireless looks pretty good if I was looking at switching from a > conventional carrier, BUT they apparently require you to buy one of their > smartphones, and the minimum monthly charge is $20, which, while modest, is > still more than twice my effective cost. I pay about $100 a year for > minutes and don't use all of them, or even come close, and I really, really > don't want a smartphone. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 16:10:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB61E40687 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A074052E for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130827221034.LQWH3853.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:10:34 -0400 Received: from Joanna ([72.209.198.214]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id HyAX1m0044e2Beo01yAagQ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:10:34 -0400 a=z+JOQeSqIXLCGjBsmWTDRw==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=1XWLApCEdfAA:10 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=2I9cjpCuIuXqHUcbwnsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fN2J7l6Gh3oA:10 a=z+JOQeSqIXLCGjBsmWTDRw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "ElanS4" To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:10:34 -0400 Thread-Index: AQH25yPqJ1pMVUHXqrwwo35AjvJR5JlZFTOQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net eric@megageek.com wrote: > >I changed the wires, plugs, rotor, distributor cap, and air cleaner. After you changed the distributor cap, etc., did you get out the old timing light? Slight changes in the timing can make big changes in the emissions. Also, as far as upping the idle and hoping you don't get caught, I just had my car tested today - it passed. The readout includes the idle speed, and if the idle is not in the proper range, it automatically fails. You can set it to the high side of "normal" but not too high. Tim Mullen _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 16:55:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C37940C01 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:55:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailfront3.g2host.com [208.42.184.241]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4B9403BB for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:55:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.164.52.117] (account arvidj@visi.com HELO HP62011) by mailfront3.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPA id 122423861 for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:55:22 -0500 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: References: <008301cea372$4152d5b0$c3f88110$@cox.net> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:55:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net When Minnesota had testing I know of an individual that would buy a gallon of alcohol at the paint store, add it to a less than half full gas tank, drive the mile and a half from the Big Box Store to the testing station, pass the test with flying colors, then immediately drive two blocks to the gas station and fill the tank with gas as that much alcohol can be tough on the fuel system. Maybe only a quart would have done the job. Who knows. Eventually Minnesota dropped the nonsense. Arvid _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 27 20:13:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0A640433 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A741403BA for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:08:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6757224C0F3; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 02:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.164]) by localhost (filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.234]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id US56zaxumkLW; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 02:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-148-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.148.88]) by relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6855E5FB3; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 02:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:08:24 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Peter Murray References: <521A58E4.8080708@frontier.com> <521C244F.9040206@frontier.com> Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] stupid cell phone question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you are close enough to the border you can usually get service, often all the way to Vancouver, but it gets spotty. Plus, if you do it for very long Tracfone gets pretty snotty about it, from what I understand. Yeah, one of the cheap Rogers phones would probably be the way to go if I keep my TF service down here. On 8/27/2013 1:21 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > > There is conflicting info on whether the Tracfone will work in Cananda > or not, though I'm inclined to believe the forum answers supplied by > Tracfone reps... > > https://www.tracfoneforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6200&t=182655&p=443124&hilit=canada#p443124 > > Less than $60/year to have a US domestic mobile phone available if > needed is indeed a good deal, Doug! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 05:21:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A08E4041A for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:21:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC95403F6 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:20:56 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 07:02:18 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/28/2013 07:02:18, Serialize complete at 08/28/2013 07:02:18 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Is there a way to test O2 sensors? I'm guessing the cat isn't poisoned since it doesn't smell. How do I check a crankcase rebreather? This is a 91, so there is no OBD II Connector. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Peter Murray 08/26/2013 08:19 PM To eric@megageek.com cc shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Is the crankcase rebreather working? What about the catalytic converter? Oxygen sensors? -Peter On Aug 26, 2013 8:29 PM, wrote: OK, if you remember, I asked about a 1991 2500 Chevy pick up that had been sitting for 5 years. We got it running, and it failed inspection for hydrocarbons being too high (they were 466 and max allowed was 220ppm) The CO% was very low (.68) So, I checked all the vacuums and they were good. I changed the wires, plugs, rotor, distributor cap, and air cleaner. After that, the HC were dropped to 240ppm (20 points too high.) The CO% went up to .94 (still under the max of 1.20.) So, I'm guessing that I can get it down with an additive or running really hot (or cold.) What is the collective wisdom of what I can do next to get the last 20 points? Free is best. Thanks in advance! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 06:48:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C824041E for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:48:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092A0403F6 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2013 12:48:20 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.109] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2013 12:48:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2013 12:48:20 -0000 Zj3WdigmzUGNOChqxlQwXudy5_AX6xJk.3NhV.o98gOjVAj.DhApzt2XxWcg EDvdhr9vLbMpMtQNyujtMTM1uJP8qOGhmmqnstrXiari0O883yb5zY6_9A30 uNkXKtt7gX9yp2lly.IJCEyTEgJj.Aa5KxMDI1ZOxRm8sp1RulyPUlMoH8kr opJMWE1AcnrpbZvWrzD8nUnmoPF_YYvJKuQeMLlfWcKDHPTfmdp.aO5kTsRM kMUxElMexCeIFDUwferuyrt6XXLcKd0D4rqtoHX4zV3frcADhSvtKRNLOu1g zHIBpwLnepGu2xF1dfbNIqYnNhwbfcxUNzHdP1peNDswL3qQhItdRHRx8lxT XPstj.UULUCP58BxCmGX5Mx0b9Z4ctGNlbgX9z3O0eRsQNFtpjCI7QjBybVV 24iudb42i7aYIYdOALYMIKSem.2K.oAMz3KnRm9oArbQcRMYPbufTFMDaYDY sV7P..JJLnJ_Bp6W4YwAq.z9a8oS5p03aspF4Wy0V7eXu5Kf1qxLvpt93uPu eEkeOG26MJBACA9c3 smtp106.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2013 05:48:19 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: , References: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 07:48:22 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJoZ5iNyu3wP5C3pZfp/gzfrhjVGJh3BtBA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net O2 sensors are pretty cheap, and I've changed the one on my '93 Suburban every 50,000 or so. Given the similarity of vehicles and years, I'm guessing it's pretty much identical to the setup on your truck. Suburban almost always runs better with a new O2 sensor. The sensor should be on the driver's side of the Y pipe at the back of the engine - easy to get to under the hood. I think it takes a 7/8" box wrench? As far as the cat, there's a YouTube video where a guy uses a gallon of alcohol in half a tank (regular car - 10 gallons?) of gas and claims it usually cleans his converter pretty well. For harder cases he takes the cat out and soaks it overnight in a bucket of water with regular laundry detergent, hoses it out, and reinstalls it. YMMV ;-) When my cat went out on the Suburban (at maybe 150,000 miles?) I replaced it with a rebuilt original. Passed emissions better than new - really - and wasn't loud like the tiny Walker ones that cost just as much. Still passed easily till a couple of years ago the People's Republic of Illinois finally stopped testing pre-OBDII vehicles. Karl -----Original Message----- From: eric@megageek.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Is there a way to test O2 sensors? I'm guessing the cat isn't poisoned since it doesn't smell. How do I check a crankcase rebreather? This is a 91, so there is no OBD II Connector. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 07:01:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF23440450 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 07:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail941c35.carrierzone.com (mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF32403F6 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 07:01:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail941c35.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r7SD1K1k022006; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:01:21 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: , References: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:58:23 -0400 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=pw-q824V51wO40Jer7IA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Is there a way to test O2 sensors? A working O2 sensor puts out 0.1-0.9 DC volts. This can easily be measured with a digital voltmeter (even my eL-Cheapo Harbor Freight voltmeter). With the engine warmed up (the sensor has to be hot to work), find the lead for the sensor. (There may be 3 or 4 leads if the sensor also has a heater built in.) Connect your voltmeter's positive lead to the sensor lead & the negative lead to ground. Do this leaving the sensor connected to the vehicle's wire harness so the computer will remain in 'closed loop mode' (receiving & sending signals). Thusly connected start the engine. Run it at 2000rpm for a minute or two to make sure the exhaust & the sensor is fully warm.) At idle a working O2 sensor will be putting out an average of 0.5V. If the computer is in closed loop mode the measured signal will constantly vary as the computer richens/leans the mixture around the 'ideal'. If the reading is steady then the computer will usually assume the sensor is not functioning, ignore its signal and default to a pre-programmed fuel map - typically slightly richer than ideal. If the sensor is more than 60,000 - 90,000 miles old it is likely at the end of its useful life. As they get old they get 'slow'. When it gets really slow the computer ignores it. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 08:40:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39694041E for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:40:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm42-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm42-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.188]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E2440410 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm42.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2013 14:38:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.213] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2013 14:38:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2013 14:38:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 48765 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2013 14:38:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377700688; bh=tJwufwxUKGWFYMM1VR9Srz/KBoJm7AwRaDJvL/Lta+w=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gOBR9BUjh/JXj52aIIPkq2srheg0rCukwZx9n1paf8gn2nWzpj+ozVCiYHNa4+/1PKkCzXBfBv4ZxQgRkfJKjYU57hYlqvNRKpikeltSb56VQGhmk47f6POxBIjYuaHCZMCrGuKEf4zOLZtm9LUgcdTAx9YVzoRxDvYvLs8oLZ0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=p/16TNU5QIPg/HZwUMgI4ED6obMCLpE4eaySpj/1ZOI9MYCWeuchot3pdQ0vVuesAoBf/OBO4VnYXaHiv0F2irBcAYyHtFXk/OUKm2CyezPA4SoFm25et8/9qgpqoOlgSyP3xgtlvPlsSmz36VzmzHf7XsyIVxdeYfgXSefLQxQ=; ZTJ0mkX9PPxccXe3w19VM1CZjBdVsL0Be.o6Rf.eXRWZr5Soy2mAeULr0KLt KwPVdZ5HD9Al0WLWP8JHUMzrGFpt9236Sa9FyavBHSOsCcsN2itCMFCtj9B_ BWqmBOFI03iQJCipkws76E7vufql3S259DaJUO08cqIjqLCpA9J0b7HNo562 ryhuQN5ihFyDFRxygvqxuYFS2_tudoMUhdL1FF3yi2VgUtaEhHsRMMplGzAx 4TQhPBYiDQfZ0TE8JZrrg99RTkYiA.8En_jlYonrPYkkyUpqdot0Y27_vTs5 vBlS1xmWQyh7oKQ64JXRHR62Jp_koudC5KQlR5doI.ofVNH1b9y2gyEQJKEO CbWUXLPmrDRoKcLoZ.vo8oPk7bWCfDoKjdy8rTXNxNk8qqAvrxSMBMzdWUOG HatYrZAn1neXheqR5XwExRqQoswbDoaO6AkN3umcbMq5ONJfmVvTJ1NQIk3v 3TTPWfO_7Z.yF75etv2uhCuz.OUHaxZCnfIJjYKDSCM67XVYrIQCO5qA_ilM CtMyqM4hGQGEg3JAheeTcMzQymxaYje4JWg-- Received: from [173.252.176.138] by web140004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 07:38:08 PDT UHJlX09CRCBJSSBzdGlsbCBoYWQgYSBkaWFnbm9zdGljIGNvbm5lY3RvciB0aGF0IHlvdSBjb3VsZCBzaG9ydCB0byBzZWUgaWYgdGhlcmUgYXJlIGFueSBjb2Rlcy4gKGF0IGxlYXN0IG15IGNhcnMgZGlkLikKCkJyaWFuCgoKCj5fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwo.IEZyb206ICJlcmljQG1lZ2FnZWVrLmNvbSIgPGVyaWNAbWVnYWdlZWsuY29tPgo.VG86IHNob3AtdGFsa0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldCAKPlNlbnQ6IFdlZG5lc2RheSwgQXVndXN0IDI4LCAyMDEzIDc6MDIgQU0KPlN1YmoBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 07:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Pre_OBD II still had a diagnostic connector that you could short to see if there are any codes. (at least my cars did.) Brian >________________________________ > From: "eric@megageek.com" >To: shop-talk@autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:02 AM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons > > >(snip) This is a 91, so there is no OBD II Connector. >(snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 09:00:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16744043E for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dfn.com (mail.dfn.com [74.116.128.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40B5403FB for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] [216.223.232.123] by dfn.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id d6ea000e597cb7be; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:00:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:59:57 -0600 From: Michael Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Battmain References: <1377700688.48105.YahooMailNeo@web140004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cc: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/28/2013 8:38 AM, Battmain wrote: > Pre_OBD II still had a diagnostic connector that you could short to see if there are any codes. (at least my cars did.) > > Pre-OBD, GM used what was known as the ALDL (Assembly Line Diagnostic Link), usually a 12-pin connector buried in the dash. Jumpering pins A & B initiated flash codes on the check engine light. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 09:10:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F30240425 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D590A403FB for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:09:50 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:53:14 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/28/2013 10:51:10, Serialize complete at 08/28/2013 10:51:10 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There is a connector that my OBD II connector doesn't fix. How do I 'short' it to get the codes? Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Battmain Sent by: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 08/28/2013 10:22 AM Please respond to Battmain To shoptalk cc Subject Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Pre_OBD II still had a diagnostic connector that you could short to see if there are any codes. (at least my cars did.) Brian >________________________________ > From: "eric@megageek.com" >To: shop-talk@autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:02 AM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons > > >(snip) This is a 91, so there is no OBD II Connector. >(snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 09:11:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BA94044F for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:11:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f174.google.com (mail-pd0-f174.google.com [209.85.192.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE1C4041B for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:10:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f174.google.com with SMTP id y13so6364289pdi.5 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:10:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=CaZCw6QxR//p5z0UG1B1tdPBaLh092m6HwMQIPMQabQ=; b=bkL7qZg7y+mAuS/UfJwi4r3Sd5+H5/57CwV98M9NkJpbe3iFFapfg1daYbT+JARdqV el4IvuXYqk6DX6ZpaeZ36eaSzlMBUCtbNwMhiRvaffGVOqF7qcuHkbxAIMCKAWygWR1r LFgoK1IM7OFHaxd1Ra/SQJuYhmbu9TXlOtakclFku3w2+CNFvR6A3TnHluoPtwZN+00R Avw5LMFVdGMm3vdntPIQefQhjrdmKX7ZRuWD1zkbNbnR2as6zSpQ63Se5mqhV3vjdUaZ swLOZAjiqzUON3wjxMPQuoUHoDFWIoM3+zTHczCWXMjNItcYBV3jcm+/wryvNGwzChar ZA+Q== lk3mr27811273pab.43.1377702658059; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.86.34 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:10:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <1377700688.48105.YahooMailNeo@web140004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:10:57 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Battmain , shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Battmain wrote: > Pre_OBD II still had a diagnostic connector that you could short to see if > there are any codes. (at least my cars did.) > > > 91 GM stuff sure did, too. But it's specialized, and if you don't have a tool, maybe not worth it. It's pretty easy to monitor the o2 sensor voltages, with a cheap (or not cheap, if you've got one) DVM. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 10:27:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B044041E for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:27:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 938AA4040E for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:27:03 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1377707221; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Qe2RFj2wnz/L0mtuT+ato243uIqP9vUIzFbY4CV/vWWziFbnN8mDMP8HlEun0glc+ x5fs4OUmHzv7s4zvf6VLsq259XD1C9AvaYm3lRxM46KPhqoSfn7zR0UwyJAvemKD8w hKnc56IZRvynlfL+Luz8MWje76+96sHMbPytVcoY= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail12.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.152]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKB6KFJAL3CPPS for (sender ); Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.76.30.253] by webmail12.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:25:38 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:25:38 GMT To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I would think if the O2 sensor was out of range it would turn on a check engine light.I was pleased to learn that my daughter's 91 E30 BMW had a procedure where you short 2 pins on thier special BMW interface connector to enable a check engine light blinking capability where you could read the codes. Not sure if the domestic stuff had something similar or not. Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: eric@megageek.com To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:53:14 -0400 There is a connector that my OBD II connector doesn't fix. How do I 'short' it to get the codes? Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Battmain Sent by: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 08/28/2013 10:22 AM Please respond to Battmain To shoptalk cc Subject Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Pre_OBD II still had a diagnostic connector that you could short to see if there are any codes. (at least my cars did.) Brian >________________________________ > From: "eric@megageek.com" >To: shop-talk@autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:02 AM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons > > >(snip) This is a 91, so there is no OBD II Connector. >(snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mbarre@juno.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 11:27:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E092040437 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118F54041A for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.166] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2013 17:24:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.49] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2013 17:24:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2013 17:24:41 -0000 N62T9zqHZmZ0t_V0lLm4ABLm4mULIDt37BIqTM4PkR2cieSWBr3O33Jvd6GK DgN7vL80CtGbyMB7rnE31SUvzfbCNjH5u1RwPrUSEMaZA9zI.5tlPshTyhy_ LwSx4.p6B3MdxE0fwlVIJTa5l7PhOvElsN.zJ.St97R17aZA1Tnafkxaq2wM F2I0l0sEr3qNVMLDMBOfJXh1VTfnjFmAye_vy4aLWrJTACAT1EQhqIo.exyL tlKWF_qUJboxIGAHwO3WLDzTDLGbFqL1fzjh4IG.AkC7SPkqEwQSo6BiU6Yb glNRZ3bsj.YHBKx.kDoZslJ_RC4Vamh9PeptQxuNtMVlWkMm8Cbx1Ef9xhPj KiLM5Ddx33qz7SZliu8XsJGBAlL0Zym3E.tOx2qz7ydNphLZB6kllyWULvPc 4RZaUuJBsYNXd.oRVCf6r5cavfai01ovUW_aoM0.YTwin3IlwfHBsw8k57Kx TxpMIltknVjuGTvWtJXmxz0K282hAolX7XjhCV.WAaZ5fVX3Y1mEixLp1wg- - smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2013 10:24:41 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: , References: <1377700688.48105.YahooMailNeo@web140004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:24:44 -0500 Thread-Index: AQGCuHi1gd0nsPXNJYd37YVuwW3NbJpCsoOg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The connector is usually mounted somewhere under the edge of the dash near the driver's right knee, though that location isn't guaranteed. There should be two adjacent pins on one end, and the connector will be missing part of the separator between the two pins you want. Short those two while the key is ON. A paper clip straightened into a long "U" works pretty well, and usually it'll slip into place and stay there till you're finished. One contact is a ground, so you're not going to have an issue with accidentally grounding the paper clip out while checking. You count the flashes on the "Check Engine" light (called a MIL for Malfunction Indicator Light in service publications). The old GM standard was to flash 1 2 first, then whatever codes are set, then end with 5 5. It cycles through each code twice. If all you get is 1 2 and then 5 5, there are no codes set. A shop manual will usually give the codes, or Google them, or ask here. If nobody has the exact manual, I have a 93 GMC manual that should cover your codes too. -----Original Message----- From: eric@megageek.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons There is a connector that my OBD II connector doesn't fix. How do I 'short' it to get the codes? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 11:52:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401544041A for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6E04041A for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:52:00 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=1XWLApCEdfAA:10 a=EU7RHW1i0OcYzPM9EgEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=RYPC) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F0/BA-11231-FB83E125; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:51:59 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:51:57 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6kC4E66O7EJ0sMRqaly2vOqN8JkAAB8Hqw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I would think if the O2 sensor was out of range it would turn > on a check > engine light. I agree, if the ECU has gone into limp mode, then it will certainly light the trouble light. But, O2 sensors usually fail gradually, so it still may be that a new sensor will improve tailpipe emissions. >I was pleased to learn that my daughter's 91 E30 > BMW had a > procedure where you short 2 pins on thier special BMW > interface connector to > enable a check engine light blinking capability where you > could read the > codes. I think that has been a standard feature, ever since trouble codes were invented. In addition, most cars have a magic sequence that will flash the codes (or at least a subset of them). I forget the exact sequence for my GM car offhand, but it's something like hold the accelerator partway down and turn the key on-off-on-off-on with a 2 second pause in each position. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 12:04:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6F140519 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:04:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C0340046 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.173] by nm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2013 18:04:22 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.228] by tm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2013 18:04:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1037.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2013 18:04:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 69716 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2013 18:04:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1377713061; bh=8FMw3kLMEAjTfuXuHkWwL+HmHsw/pgpBwkWU/xUPaHk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ie7/3n3wDPy3MX083S0KYTdc5L1HEjC77ZbCC9FCNQlS1nA8mBd6fPc7ZocxAz8LtwHuKbnyLJV6Nzho8A03MB032d6m9AIRrExIAr+I/rSya9XkeerSX+L8D8X4/IWQEqkEOUvpKG9EwkVhtvBNB2T9i6vf/oYOyOww361+aC4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TbxHuqbxwmNcvvMvPUJ0awHYnzgp6CgYLCKk031GNmtsYUJDLfKqZhnCvCCNZLAUK7cJRQvGfYaD+V9BCtKGWsemSQmI1pOeqq2cEwnvwR63/lmcF4epLtZgRrwJRWuF+0iUNxspYyZNgDwTu/tm/Qn/j2SgBsGWFbyYDcudhbw=; IdwhnF9HCpFduHv.XqGhg351EjJIhree1mcseTdbOgW3JTIpcKe8rrfN.HkD dsUj1FORi6YD7BLHT0FVuR5LfIIjlaMF_SbMStBqpcQ7lf2KuAzQQB4QEVIx aBtEqhuGVGg0_ND0qHCFn0r6pW3NRzd47y5Y6afwhiUF0jVWlq_vLLCjzcH0 r.tQa7MYnc2mp1_9gzmnMHybsSAAw_Y3qg.KudrrKiQ2pP2vI.4qj3WkU28d oLC6439PxhqWt3uPLjwJvL1lPYSrF8Qf_da2OHkfQ_lXMVKa.FZTVRwB5ntz 8uPQ5SdmVHM.Ynd6U5s4sj0Jf8qGhCoKDidfVY881mSb7zcHfxsIWG.3DZmZ hvLnlk5._DyBqMU7ku0rfQeEsWf0HV_HgCHcyjL_f7ex7QRUz0PErcHFCZxD hliKNV72XORu7ITrsLp.XBkJz5gIrRUYy0ewGu7EP8wJ_rtqRg8fmn13Gt81 1jLK2lPtYQ3xAwhS6dSSNSxmxKOggMnd4LmabiJ42TEpBdR3JMlLdAv2gE6X 57Lc0TU_WGxNb9lVVZPFq5uRlyyLvG25FyBk- Received: from [173.252.176.138] by web140003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:04:21 PDT WW91J2xsIHByb2JhYmx5IG5lZWQgdG8gZGlnIGEgYml0IGZvciB0aGUgaW5mbyBmb3IgeW91ciBwYXJ0aWN1bGFyIGNhci4gVGhlIGNvbm5lY3RvcnMgb24gbXkgY2FycyB3ZXJlIG92ZXIgb24gdGhlIHBhc3NlbmdlciBzaWRlLiDCoE5vcm1hbGx5IGl0IHdhcyBhIHRocmVlIGNvbmR1Y3RvciBhc3NlbWJseS4gVGhlIHNwZWNpYWwgKHJlYWQgZXhwZW5zaXZlKSBKLXRvb2wgdG8gJ3Nob3J0JyB0aGUgY29ubmVjdG9yIHdhcyBhIHBpZWNlIG9mIGNvbmR1Y3RpdmUgbWV0YWwsIHdoaWNoIGluIG15IGNhc2Ugd2EBMAEBAQE- References: <1377700688.48105.YahooMailNeo@web140004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You'll probably need to dig a bit for the info for your particular car. The connectors on my cars were over on the passenger side. Normally it was a three conductor assembly. The special (read expensive) J-tool to 'short' the connector was a piece of conductive metal, which in my case was easily replicated with a piece of wire. Then you turned the key to 'on' and any stored codes were blinked at you on the dash. Kinda like blink, blink, blink, pause, blink, blink, blink, blink, pause, then it repeated again. Brian >________________________________ > From: "eric@megageek.com" >To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net >Cc: Battmain >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:53 AM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons > > > > >There is a connector that my OBD II connector doesn't fix. How do I 'short' it to get the codes? > > >(snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 13:08:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EAA4041A for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f45.google.com (mail-wg0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8A540413 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id j13so958315wgh.24 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:08:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bdjXEsgnqv5b+q94ijTlcHfHZUL8+87cyzdEvv7pFuY=; b=E1c0mONBKlxXSflJlGanmIoLFzUy+kdw/gJwHerPvnzEtmYgRNGwXlZEF84lrFhYKK Etx9IG6JWLV0XTjgbbhHCwj7bde2noR9ufN8H7eEKFL6QD2puKbXnxHjR9m1XXkpucRZ uhjsiAbdx1f/338rX+XqqpjAGZlYQ6mW8w/5F3AQCcBWuXVMOok6cMfwWHtL1CYdZDMN QW0fklAlSWOy1h8m9HC97rEpgvqQEPTHnrtTkwkz75Z38oGZyG88XQphUrOgJ72f/0Is 14YZ+28FIxjT9/n3Jdk8YEH3MKy7SdWW08euFVQjdCWyiCTIo7Rgdeahal8QajxYYV4H PaqA== Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.222.6 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:08:33 -0700 (PDT) References: <1377700688.48105.YahooMailNeo@web140004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1377713061.66471.YahooMailNeo@web140003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:08:33 -0400 From: Benjamin Zwissler To: Battmain Cc: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Some of the 80's GM cars would show the fault codes on the radio when you put it in diagnostic mode, but you had to have the GM radio. Not sure how far into the 90's that persisted. Ben..... On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Battmain wrote: > You'll probably need to dig a bit for the info for your particular car. The > connectors on my cars were over on the passenger side. Normally it was a > three conductor assembly. The special (read expensive) J-tool to 'short' > the > connector was a piece of conductive metal, which in my case was easily > replicated with a piece of wire. Then you turned the key to 'on' and any > stored codes were blinked at you on the dash. Kinda like blink, blink, > blink, > pause, blink, blink, blink, blink, pause, then it repeated again. > > Brian > >________________________________ > > From: "eric@megageek.com" > > >To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > >Cc: Battmain > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:53 AM > >Subject: Re: > [Shop-talk] High Hydrocarbons > > > > > > > > > >There is a connector that my OBD II > connector doesn't fix. How do I 'short' it to get the codes? > > > > > >(snip) > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 28 21:23:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836034041E for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:23:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f50.google.com (mail-pb0-f50.google.com [209.85.160.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EB640403 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 20:56:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id uo5so7027581pbc.23 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 19:56:19 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=A1O/V0nSdcwZY4fdlgSp5FFbrfWEbpHiJ25QCACDRbs=; b=voLqAnGW++/3P0q0b398Sd1cuCdT+2CJnHlnMIB+Gmb6mTxbpZ/3Ampp/npvDKgCC9 pncPrG/pQDGfVcAUg4XAXGUnJ1WI2mdGyY9zl+29jXauF79mwfr+G5NA/RxxXuN2RN54 SjPquYtml4kLo562Mf8rApvpCPSFjbRpMiPmNOF8W3XzkFhacp0I2m4abNfGhxFQ8bna oRaecg5oQRVEeGFPEDxbXIfVHiKb74fJTaEdOrc+IWksgWQMhcJuEbWm3T73jwga1bjF WqUqok8zJC5NIKTwsx9qRM4kZph+cLoNb4NkXo5qLIn816/MMD/mtlH9q0WscdbySk1l KBzg== aw1mr391656pbc.197.1377744979718; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 19:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.86.34 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Aug 2013 19:56:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <521ACCCC.5070204@xxiii.com> <20130826034853.0P7UL.102510.root@cdptpa-web31-z02> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:56:19 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Randall , shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Pipe Threading Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- Wayne wrote: > > Is it feasible to saw off the pipe, > > somehow thread it, and put a cap on? > > Sounds feasible to me, if you are reasonably coordinated. You'll need a > pipe threader to fit your pipe; then you're going to be standing on a > ladder, holding the pipe with one hand and the threader with the other > while laying into the threader with a fair amount of force. > http://tinyurl.com/l79hgoa > > I might think about giving the gardener $20 to do it for me. > > The other alternative is to cut the line somewhere else more accessible, and put the cap there. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 29 11:06:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED72540454 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:06:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5012640432 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 10:08:31 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:49:42 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/29/2013 11:50:01, Serialize complete at 08/29/2013 11:50:01 Subject: [Shop-talk] High hydrocarbons (the resolution) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well last night we tried a few more things on the truck with the high hydrocarbons and it passed!! What we did last night was... Replace the O2 sensor, add fuel injector cleaner, used Premium fuel, clean and reinstall batteries terminals, add tranny fluid (unrelated), and bench test the MAP sensor. Also, we check the OBD I read out, but there were no codes stored. (we did this prior to removing the battery.) So that got us there. For the record, other things we did prior were... New wires, plugs, cap, rotor, air cleaner. Checked the vacuums, FWIW, they did check the idle to make sure it wasn't elevated. So, thanks to everyone here for all your help. we took a $700 truck and turned it into a $1500 truck for about $300! (Now that I say it out loud, it wasn't worth the time!) 8>) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 15:45:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADABF403ED for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:45:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9634F403D4 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:45:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130831214531.MCBS10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:45:31 -0400 Received: from wt07 ([209.225.8.57]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id KZlX1m00V1Dq0wp05ZlXHW; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:45:31 -0400 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=n6PHwS2vT-MHbszdWegA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9ZgjYbUGGViEKtarSmQA:9 a=gw8IpIfhNIuW2Hsl:21 a=BcwT0Smst7MCtTIIGOhIgQ==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:45:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:45:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] .25mm too big Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I bought longer bolts for the linkage on my webers so I could use two regurlar nuts locked together instead of nylocks. They are M5-.8 and are approx one quarter of one mm too big to fit through the linkage pivots. The bolts that came with the kit are also M5-.8. M4s have too much slop and SAE bolts were too big as well. I ran the new bolts through a die cutter but not much (enought) was cut off (as expected). I really don't want to try to drill out the linkage pivot and take a chance of generating heat and screwing up the rubber bushing. Thoughts please on what I can do to narrow down the bolts. Maybe a small round file to try to open up the hole?? Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 31 20:22:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2A1403EA for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:22:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mailout10.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout10.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B9740323 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan21.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.21] helo=mailscan21.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout10.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VFxIf-0002aX-Jp for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:22:01 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan21.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VFxIf-0000uf-Go; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:22:01 -0400 Received: from webmail17.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.17]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id KeN11m00Y0N5H5E01eN1Hu; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:22:01 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=N2hggRxfWhoA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=-9heHg-GZv4A:10 a=-oD15hyLUTaMqyEilYUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=imN8Wx-RWTSLt5ui:21 a=zRwLGkphuoZ7aKsC:21 a=NXqU3YP/RUmPXXhrMXkjfA==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail17.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1VFxI6-00025W-JX; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:21:26 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:21:26 -0400 References: <4af88247.b2daa5.140d6568e6b.Webtop.47@charter.net> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:21:26 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Tim" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] .25mm too big Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A regular number 10 screw, such as a 10-32, is smaller than a M5 screw by a few thousanths of an inch. You might want to try before you modify the linkage. Greg G. Osseo, MN > I bought longer bolts for the linkage on my webers so I could use two > regurlar nuts locked together instead of nylocks. They are M5-.8 and are > approx one quarter of one mm too big to fit through the linkage pivots. > The bolts that came with the kit are also M5-.8. > > M4s have too much slop and SAE bolts were too big as well. > > I ran the new bolts through a die cutter but not much (enought) was cut > off (as expected). > > I really don't want to try to drill out the linkage pivot and take a > chance of generating heat and screwing up the rubber bushing. > > Thoughts please on what I can do to narrow down the bolts. Maybe a small > round file to try to open up the hole?? > > Thanks > > tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive