From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 08:46:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19421429BA for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:46:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5B942945 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:46:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 14so3863443vea.29 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qVqFhT7obU0P5clNrRh13AI+WhVS32XHQQvvmnRr98o=; b=omHZPNu5fOlFogSHlz3Qifnjx/OJcjnGRkWFJvd8u8394fO2r4DIfX+uXkD8JKOQIU VtrtBYoW9JoACdwHhGr8MgUcm+4rUQg1NXiPcKvhmGgKyhCPvbB8GvvTFByJsly+OUiY c4hbXoX4gZTVP1nOj9ttNgjYUJESMGwP0eB4ga985C2CaFooWipH2n7y9NTcoZM9qAJC s6yCN8pI3/ELJyZJCuzrP1zxQ4z7T9KoGUaw3AokUy54aiAv1OWlFlKuG6p2HXwRcxcn MGgac7XQy3qHpLh1vYDkE4ZAKPtSfWbaYiaaeiZ2ZDlYZck94gTEnO0mN4uayRf9ybav qf6g== oc10mr9904740vcb.26.1372689992283; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.109.41 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:46:32 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net We're (FINALLY) closing in on the move to our new place located near BFE about 80 miles NE of Austin. Being near BFE, cell coverage in the area is spotty at best, almost non-existent at our place. Data is (sort of and sometimes) there, but it is better than voice call. I do have one 50 foot tiltover, crankup tower that I'll be put up fairly soon, primarily for an OTA TV antenna and some ham radio antennas. Wilson Electronics has a series of signal boosters and different antennas that are basically low power repeaters. Wilson made their name in amateur radio many years ago and I expect their bits to work well. I did want to see if anyone in the group has used the Wilson gear or possibly some other company's so I could get some real world feedback. I might try the Verizon Network Extender, but I had one of those a couple of years ago where we're currently living and it didn't seem to make much difference in signal level in the house at that time. While the Wilson System uses antennas (omni or directional) to pick the RF signal, the Verizon box plugs into the Internet and basically provides a cell node in your house. Looks like we'll be using Exede satt based broadband so I'm not sure if the Verizon box would work at all. I can't believe that we're the only folks in this large widely scattered group that have to deal with this sort of situation. Thanks, Ron _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 09:48:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9910B427AB for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D5C4042C for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:48:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.162] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 15:48:36 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.150] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 15:48:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 15:48:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 7606 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2013 15:48:35 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372693715; bh=j+81i/rhMb9P2H3WRc2tlxYya8QAwKycXKQk2RLtVwU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b9U3MIbm1aqwoHCsvxwlsspwElm7UWsYhR9AAhmho6uxLwu7NgSCKxbMgMiGSYbTjHoP8CGonbeua0n9W5Cb5+KQcGZICE3DPeBBd0S9TTR8f/1TRUs84IEhC0rP342pGbGoKWx9qwKO0HG+2ZfNvuRQuIBC3CNDJxVer/XlCN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hXA6P9SGR6xAPL/zgGl7W4/k2UUQNJ+K5zCLh0aKNNu92M8hcaEB7RqrpbmVanG4zef/2G7ZjO+8ZAJpV8XibtabaDEWzz6vyMBhh3h4CcwdHo4tSnY7b3/bHUGQtwNJ12Wgla/k/vwPbapAQ+V25xVyvkbtRtMnkPwpOSJdNq0= ; MEEFCaG0FvJxQuwIMOfdxJIJX665.a1GjvxhnCHE2gX48KHcs_Q9PP.h9E.0 FpP5EwaTydAUkLIwNDW7ddUzBIarwlxMfpyls5ube0lYmJVn8WejVC1p.jKT nmJnmwBEnKJL6qEj3amIrt6RRJnYrexjznZAtNrGzePp7Ygzofvrb6agn46A INX5GFb4bC3Fcu.R2DVA06crBgZNKn0rdP9VXSZUkZbg0XW98DorgErVWX4E 4uwpuuSAoYyxe1uqgnu5AibINsx2TYjoFgofm2gLeMrlOtEFU_vgocXjdgk2 DRAlAyqOAKBdEjpaZuNmaxpxzq66l5PqmQVrlSh1Mj1KR1cEVAIGduwmRW50 LmECmK3SxnyVKjwekOPqj2woWBxf5WhTLkBIMvtrKhiFyPS4BbNNeUgRAaOb clJQpR9xTro80RZkPqlFesYe63tjQXWL7s8lEsWU1uUAwJz6KVQ7NkFodQOH R11YuCjBch5GU8fNFfgOr0OEqjOZmccLtu1IU73iwbTRE4UU43uFOtIdt.R_ 2KCUdQxcTCrDQ_vvBhwHNQvQMx0l91E1CGHF.lm2iuGri0.qNW67aQjZMzDO PPxSifeXvtfhaw1lSgz4L6aWF7.c6LiGo7RRICwMkmUEtBGAbf5QrtteBOI_ 13w-- Received: from [99.146.39.41] by web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 08:48:35 PDT SGkgUm9uLAoKSSBmYWNlZCBhIHNpbWlsYXIgc2l0dWF0aW9uIGF0IG15IGhvdXNlLiDCoElmIHlvdSBnZXQgYSBwaG9uZSB0aGF0IGhhcyBXaUZpIChtb3N0IGFueSBvZiB0aGUgInNtYXJ0IHBob25lcyIpLCBhbmQgaGF2ZSBhIHdpcmVsZXNzIFdpRmkgcm91dGVyIGZvciB5b3VyIGNvbXB1dGVycyAoZnJvbSB5b3VyIGhvbWUgRFNMIG9yIGNhYmxlIG1vZGVtKSwgeW91IGNhbiBqdXN0IGNvbmZpZ3VyZSB5b3VyIGNlbGwgcGhvbmUgdG8gdXNlIFdpRmkgd2hlbiB5b3UgYXJlIGFyb3VuZCB0aGUgaG91c2UuIAEwAQEBAQ-- References: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: old dirtbeard To: Ronnie Day , Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Ron, I faced a similar situation at my house. If you get a phone that has WiFi (most any of the "smart phones"), and have a wireless WiFi router for your computers (from your home DSL or cable modem), you can just configure your cell phone to use WiFi when you are around the house. The newer routers have great range (mine will cover the acre lot here no problem). best, doug ____________________ '72 BSA B50SS '74 Triumph TR6 '01 HD XHL 883 '03 GMC Cargo Van '07 Aprilia SXV 550 ________________________________ From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters We're (FINALLY) closing in on the move to our new place located near BFE about 80 miles NE of Austin. Being near BFE, cell coverage in the area is spotty at best, almost non-existent at our place. Data is (sort of and sometimes) there, but it is better than voice call. I do have one 50 foot tiltover, crankup tower that I'll be put up fairly soon, primarily for an OTA TV antenna and some ham radio antennas. Wilson Electronics has a series of signal boosters and different antennas that are basically low power repeaters. Wilson made their name in amateur radio many years ago and I expect their bits to work well. I did want to see if anyone in the group has used the Wilson gear or possibly some other company's so I could get some real world feedback. I might try the Verizon Network Extender, but I had one of those a couple of years ago where we're currently living and it didn't seem to make much difference in signal level in the house at that time. While the Wilson System uses antennas (omni or directional) to pick the RF signal, the Verizon box plugs into the Internet and basically provides a cell node in your house. Looks like we'll be using Exede satt based broadband so I'm not sure if the Verizon box would work at all. I can't believe that we're the only folks in this large widely scattered group that have to deal with this sort of situation. Thanks, Ron _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 10:08:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8A2427C6 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f177.google.com (mail-ve0-f177.google.com [209.85.128.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE5D42772 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:04:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f177.google.com with SMTP id cz10so3857578veb.8 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 09:04:15 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qrAKJxmJzUxCIr+jGMckW9f551tyd/8NCjlxL+yL3DM=; b=LiPog+HU/+/RjEVt/dCaTt7RjURyN90ahIXspUgaBFI9xzbbRRtAh2emsLaKt1QnaC pJUHyfuWLeVHwYGgtrORKjZbAoUfNexWMq6Xho0uSZMcgMjJhQMJplQUHUz1B+iRh3tp c7dJwOGkjbqHinb2RprqvsCmuZ+8HOlEettcDPeagVQH7VFir8XzzLe2hXu8xe+XBvXv h2yJBcKaxrG3HY+STRxuPfU4qSUvvvvyd6sq17LwUACjK060D7oYrlUW2dwR6qIO7fHj Q7nr9GU+Kt8ELjVrj/aE6m69GWmx1kL9tRgq85QtKayKdRJ+wL/8XfAoyxwfvflodvBy G4Pw== mi5mr9717900vec.46.1372694655406; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 09:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.109.41 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:04:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <1372693715.88277.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 11:04:15 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: old dirtbeard Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Doug, I understand that I can use Wifi for data. We do that already, but I don't think I can use the data side to make and receive calls, can I? That's what I'm looking for. RD On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:48 AM, old dirtbeard wrote: > Hi Ron, > > I faced a similar situation at my house. If you get a phone that has WiFi > (most any of the "smart phones"), and have a wireless WiFi router for your > computers (from your home DSL or cable modem), you can just configure your > cell phone to use WiFi when you are around the house. The newer routers > have great range (mine will cover the acre lot here no problem). > > best, > > doug > ____________________ > '72 BSA B50SS > '74 Triumph TR6 > '01 HD XHL 883 > '03 GMC Cargo Van > '07 Aprilia SXV 550 > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ronnie Day > *To:* Shop Talk List > *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2013 7:46 AM > *Subject:* [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters > > We're (FINALLY) closing in on the move to our new place located near BFE > about 80 miles NE of Austin. Being near BFE, cell coverage in the area is > spotty at best, almost non-existent at our place. Data is (sort of and > sometimes) there, but it is better than voice call. I do have one 50 foot > tiltover, crankup tower that I'll be put up fairly soon, primarily for an > OTA TV antenna and some ham radio antennas. > Wilson Electronics has a series of signal boosters and different antennas > that are basically low power repeaters. Wilson made their name in amateur > radio many years ago and I expect their bits to work well. I did want to > see if anyone in the group has used the Wilson gear or possibly some other > company's so I could get some real world feedback. > I might try the Verizon Network Extender, but I had one of those a couple > of years ago where we're currently living and it didn't seem to make much > difference in signal level in the house at that time. While the Wilson > System uses antennas (omni or directional) to pick the RF signal, the > Verizon box plugs into the Internet and basically provides a cell node in > your house. Looks like we'll be using Exede satt based broadband so I'm not > sure if the Verizon box would work at all. > I can't believe that we're the only folks in this large widely scattered > group that have to deal with this sort of situation. > Thanks, > Ron > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 10:15:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDAE427CE for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f48.google.com (mail-pa0-f48.google.com [209.85.220.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DF342772 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:09:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id kp12so5148193pab.7 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 09:09:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=ezy3wOmqAAXXZwMURvPTfUHaPzTL1pMrrR6rUFd21/I=; b=lM4VwQRBdHyuHgMpu6/E1QhuE1M4CXa+r9UficjARngXuRZ8HVlP4NdnjHBil9mEo3 Uwc02mxbKGI/alBzrTzKKY9S/e8CJPwm1A2iqceF+ROe6T90v7/OT5/9qRIyqmoucDIG OO0Fh49FR0fpAGQu/km5RR7+3XLmimuoY+k9Fs1HjYC18xqItBP/YLe71T3F7ONHLuj5 7Val5CjNpCsfsQRnUGIWioR5FCysYg/he617cUsv/2jaI8bWdNyaHBgMSnPOydyQ40/s aKc7LVxQSTzje+s/pIYufgI71/3y47ursQXlNBJeCw61++aOeFCAwgesEXkI3cgECiIn ffAA== gu5mr10024644pbc.191.1372694980379; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 09:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.72.35 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:09:17 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Peter Murray Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 12:09:17 -0400 To: Ronnie Day Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm sure several of us share a little bit of jealousy at your move. I know I would like to put a tower up here, but I think 50' wouldn't get over the trees that surround me... I live in suburban Northern Virginia, with lightly rolling terrain and people who harbor a strong fear of cell towers, so service quality widely varies. I am 2 miles from the nearest cell site, and discovered a year ago (when the derecho came through) that without it, there is absolutely no service around my house. Is no terrestrial-based internet connectivity available at the new place? My parents-in-law have wireless internet at their house 10 miles south of Montrose, Colorado. AT&T, Verizon and Sprint all offer microcell solutions, but the high latency of satellite connections will likely prevent them from working. That said, I have the AT&T microcell at my house on a Cox cablemodem and it has been quite reliable. I had given some thought to a commercial-grade booster - the Wi-Ex 645 - if the microcell had not worked (and I still think about it, as my generally-reliable Cox cablemodem is a single-point of failure). In your situation, it sounds like the booster (with a highly-directional receive antenna up on the tower) will be your best bet - and may provide you the best data connectivity as well, though I wouldn't watch Netflix over it. Maybe these guys provide coverage to your area: http://www.centex.net/internet.php 73 de N3IXY -Peter On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Ronnie Day wrote: > We're (FINALLY) closing in on the move to our new place located near BFE > about 80 miles NE of Austin. Being near BFE, cell coverage in the area is > spotty at best, almost non-existent at our place. Data is (sort of and > sometimes) there, but it is better than voice call. I do have one 50 foot > tiltover, crankup tower that I'll be put up fairly soon, primarily for an > OTA TV antenna and some ham radio antennas. > Wilson Electronics has a series of signal boosters and different antennas > that are basically low power repeaters. Wilson made their name in amateur > radio many years ago and I expect their bits to work well. I did want to > see if anyone in the group has used the Wilson gear or possibly some other > company's so I could get some real world feedback. > I might try the Verizon Network Extender, but I had one of those a couple > of years ago where we're currently living and it didn't seem to make much > difference in signal level in the house at that time. While the Wilson > System uses antennas (omni or directional) to pick the RF signal, the > Verizon box plugs into the Internet and basically provides a cell node in > your house. Looks like we'll be using Exede satt based broadband so I'm not > sure if the Verizon box would work at all. > I can't believe that we're the only folks in this large widely scattered > group that have to deal with this sort of situation. > Thanks, > Ron > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 10:31:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E97D427E6 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65DE42799 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.172] by nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 16:31:19 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.244] by tm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 16:31:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 16:31:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 61458 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2013 16:31:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372696279; bh=dYWZX2zGQzADZqdsXGL8830ro00/5SevVDVYsCdEg1k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L+VKH+PdbP2GsvzVejpRQTLGxpvKSule6g1oipmExFbCs7EUxPp4zYtKeOQd48oRyV/0kOLReorVWMfC2GphxzHJucSt7/bBqSHeU6H7Qm7jCqFOwpxBfjFLXStlHOuto+dk1j8BZG0SwgtiEaFdGgtlRhq9kZun4xpS0tp1SBg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mWjZnAdfyZimMxm7RXYYIvQhOKbdNoUiucF8BapopW4s2FUmIxsElwb97bzHD8LNNaCmp5SQt3/6nbiVufhKyu7NHU7ZLFS5kuItKB/gftRw9K4hk42vQZ5dTMomkeo5ZhZw010Cv4Lvuev6y7kHSlvc6NePzxQJ3mPj2aIm3go= ; aAjw8y6cSt4y260Y30vczZfn8CAuk9rfmPg_oq_InojZfjnfzhnOjSLt7XLE AUqQlSp_G3VK8LPhbD.PzPr3hnbQfC.G_LABAX8H6GVttuzTMoW_0YmKzV7K XQ0354MroTtGbvztL_32_zOvF3gUtZwpno9WLMGNM4li2kc0BFeF9B0z7pqo VnVcb8O_CpmLVrjsNtn2i7Qe4kFe2m76HvFfYwFzc1oqoey38POfuMfb7MZ5 j97Mq0V3nG0QrCZL34xg61gPatG9ShOJ25FD9.NmIV39w.j_M6WfBZzTlbLc Me3hXsiLwW2yXKVDPl9iZjO_5PwwxhkMhXVHxUsuHZJbX0cHb4C3jgAzwNSM CHmU8DtxRoa79sBxHw2nU36M6hTnxwX2oji_Nbdg.z5LDyrdXN4I6CypzdL7 2kaq8laXl_VTc928dIPX.zle2GT_RtGfHCMfOJ.DQSVIBRXqqUCcQZIFdLQ8 4t.NClIgfkE4Yk6GWecjUKglGonjJ5RngWADhAb_IkdbR0TncphQxEUI4H9B _vskqLtLzVSR2kaRzEKnYogv2bbkkInCn9Oz4QLcwi01ISA-- Received: from [173.252.176.138] by web140005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 09:31:19 PDT V2l0aCBULU1vYmlsZSB5b3UgY2FuLCBidXQgbm90IHdpdGggVmVyaXpvbiBvciBBVFQgdW5sZXNzIHlvdSBoYXZlIGEgdGhpcmQgcGFydHkgYXBwLiDCoChhdCBsZWFzdCBpbiBteSBleHBlcmllbmNlLikKCkJyaWFuCgoKLS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLQo.IEZyb206IFJvbm5pZSBEYXkgPHJvbm5pZS5kYXlAZ21haWwuY29tPgo.IFRvOiBvbGQgZGlydGJlYXJkIDxkaXJ0YmVhcmRAcGFjYmVsbC5uZXQ.Cj4gQ2M6IFNob3AgVGFsayBMaXN0IDxzaG9wLXRhbGtAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.Cj4BMAEBAQE- References: <1372693715.88277.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net With T-Mobile you can, but not with Verizon or ATT unless you have a third party app. (at least in my experience.) Brian ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ronnie Day > To: old dirtbeard > Cc: Shop Talk List > Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters > > Doug, I understand that I can use Wifi for data. We do that already, but I > don't think I can use the data side to make and receive calls, can > I? That's what I'm looking for. > (snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 10:49:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A23C40326 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285044279A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:49:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 16:49:45 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.160] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 16:49:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2013 16:49:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 53514 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2013 16:49:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372697384; bh=XdgTopv8k3jZF/aQTEi1Nyhdt8gA5m/1XD/u8poX2mc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BQwYTOrzKRLTsDY5nYOIDYM1RWFmqCDOvzmlY73OuI7GxdVAAPDcGago9RMZ8K6u7Pgke97FZwWaIHlRj1As4spf72QoETNBPdOgsdm4DfJgT0WDKfpXgb//iFQzDYb41dYqmOuYp4gcv2nrcqNC2KD3YCOuJ8xAxEH3f8VlqcU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Hw7AysQATin7ZML9Qd/kUEtpDISHXf8jcoEqtYEPWNSZm8SBbfyC1QQc1vl8dqMDpdW7o3uH9XAwUE6zvWhaaGhtT4TdhdwlrzHWdXrK0P2n55hHaAgLwlqrzca/4lxQTvBlxGtRtXGMgmjr7zpanndwMj/1x0RsEJTSuCPgdfM= ; 4.tWzdpl5AfPaDMpuwV6.boBWu5ipeI4o6CjrUCjBdkyWh5IPUaWIBmoETjR Qlrh5SoaI29Zkz6pVzmAb9kIdiIIX40MsEj9uAJz583.B8Gy5XpvOprzWsiu J0Dfs0LJezt8bcSKEzUzkYckX_fnj3LeQJ.zsvc0HEZkQ9K4eBm2XfFNqXFu JJJUtInkdR4rjtngZVkrjVD7COVEppb4V9JZDSOQUk1h7z_LVCz0Y3Uw1w2S i0ZgYUMSKjxZcR2vRFmKS3zNy0arwrxx1Yl0YRbSDp25FVGNuxhv8X6AaWQP X5jlqmIO4Wdyu.EeS38zibcmenEPTCL1AwLRXEfBnT6260te.OBJj94ERvy6 Ek1Mci2X0TEXtk0Ho7s_WFH2oTSY_aoijwZV5GOm7L0Okg6jJOVVpGinE1cX k6D6oVYf4g_8dfHciGEW6eFs1nSqLZsK8FjRmaG3_EEGYEBJM_ZjuajO5cyx 6QvJE.NYNumPRxIVD2OpDh3mI2SZMS58kIGRjcq32hJV_frN_pUwgfg5x9Tf H6GoADLtWjZsJh3xsv1ymfrpbfqC5htcebMJvEVbxnygdm2vQK1CLIkLuCqm uEOld_2OoQYjLvNra9nT_ESJtrV3j7TetmwuhOzKF3ysgrhaqzaWx4MfLT22 XcUsHavA- Received: from [99.146.39.41] by web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 09:49:44 PDT SGkgUm9uLAoKSSB1c2UgVC1Nb2JpbGUgYW5kIGl0IHdvcmtzIGZpbmUuIMKgSSBjYW4gdHVybi1vZmYgdGhlIG1vYmlsZSBuZXR3b3JrIGNvbXBsZXRlbHkgYW5kIGNhbiBjYWxsIG15IGhvbWUgcGhvbmUgZnJvbSBteSBtb2JpbGUgcGhvbmUgYXQgaG9tZSB1c2luZyBXaUZpLgoKVGhlcmUgYXJlIG5vIGNoYXJnZXMgb3IgbGltaXRhdGlvbnMgb24gV2lGaSBjYWxsaW5nIG9uIFQtTW9iaWxlIGhlcmUgaW4gdGhlIExvc8KgQW5nZWxlcyBhcmVhLCBhbnl3YXkuIMKgCgpJIGFsc28gaGF2ZSBiZWVuIGFibGUgdG8BMAEBAQE- References: <1372693715.88277.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: old dirtbeard To: Ronnie Day Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Ron, I use T-Mobile and it works fine. I can turn-off the mobile network completely and can call my home phone from my mobile phone at home using WiFi. There are no charges or limitations on WiFi calling on T-Mobile here in the Los Angeles area, anyway. I also have been able to do this at airports, etc., where I could not get a T-Mobile signal. I actually was in a remote rain forest lodge in Borneo where they marketed it that there would be no cell phone coverage, and I was able to use my Blackberry to call out and receive calls through the lodge's WiFi in their lobby. YMMV... best, doug ____________________ '72 BSA B50SS '74 Triumph TR6 '01 HD XHL 883 '03 GMC Cargo Van '07 Aprilia SXV 550 ________________________________ From: Ronnie Day To: old dirtbeard Cc: Shop Talk List Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters Doug, I understand that I can use Wifi for data. We do that already, but I don't think I can use the data side to make and receive calls, can I? That's what I'm looking for. RD On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:48 AM, old dirtbeard wrote: Hi Ron, > > >I faced a similar situation at my house. If you get a phone that has WiFi (most any of the "smart phones"), and have a wireless WiFi router for your computers (from your home DSL or cable modem), you can just configure your cell phone to use WiFi when you are around the house. The newer routers have great range (mine will cover the acre lot here no problem). > >best, > > >doug >____________________ >'72 BSA B50SS >'74 Triumph TR6 >'01 HD XHL 883 >'03 GMC Cargo Van >'07 Aprilia SXV 550 > > >________________________________ > From: Ronnie Day >To: Shop Talk List >Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 7:46 AM >Subject: [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters > > >We're (FINALLY) closing in on the move to our new place located near BFE >about 80 miles NE of Austin. Being near BFE, cell coverage in the area is >spotty at best, almost non-existent at our place. Data is (sort of and >sometimes) there, but it is better than voice call. I do have one 50 foot >tiltover, crankup tower that I'll be put up fairly soon, primarily for an >OTA TV antenna and some ham radio antennas. >Wilson Electronics has a series of signal boosters and different antennas >that are basically low power repeaters. Wilson made their name in amateur >radio many years ago and I expect their bits to work well. I did want to >see if anyone in the group has used the Wilson gear or possibly some other >company's so I could get some real world feedback. >I might try the Verizon Network Extender, but I had one of those a couple >of years ago where we're currently living and it didn't seem to make much >difference in signal level in the house at that time. While the Wilson >System uses antennas (omni or directional) to pick the RF signal, the >Verizon box plugs into the Internet and basically provides a cell node in >your house. Looks like we'll be using Exede satt based broadband so I'm not >sure if the Verizon box would work at all. >I can't believe that we're the only folks in this large widely scattered >group that have to deal with this sort of situation. >Thanks, >Ron >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 1 12:18:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7A542772 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 12:18:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com (mail-pd0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5C640654 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 12:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id v14so2825885pde.18 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 11:16:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=QMyJl4OVw4CoG4Y+lt+eYvWB/C2YXOvEJhhLdbkSbcw=; b=IQPHH4FmyrALu/A8mczIglsMru0wbzxn+I7C4MSK0ACjCW8zQeUmY/KsgBpfZqMBTP bG93AKCQRoPdjZHS264TTYDupKbZo/Hn0TyYPEP3/W09llPVIVMNZ4xr0AZ/GuJc+PmM bxrMHfSHQpKbc8jI88RBDjzC46g0M81Sl2mCWetU1aITWQ6Jy1hgIJ2nQhVYDi1VTyhE oGyrks2lHttGhLdjd/UgfCD8OZ1g60Kxm2g7nRRYr1vU2caLstDBXPu8DHC3rGwmy3KB szMoc32c8BikiQ03Vn2pWmo89v6ONR+h8RosPs/MaQxl+SDQDb5xhQXcjRoxoY9y8F4U JJFA== j5mr24672352pat.176.1372702590639; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 11:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.72.35 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 11:16:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <1372693715.88277.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1372697384.47236.YahooMailNeo@web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Peter Murray Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 14:16:10 -0400 To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I think the big trouble here is that the only internet service that may be available to Ronnie is satellite-based, and that introduces at least 2 seconds of latency. Real-time applications are not well served by high-latency networks. It doesn't sound like conventional landline connectivity (DSL, fiber or cable) are available, and the local wireless ISP is hideously expensive. Ronnie- It sounds like your best bet may indeed be figuring out which cell provider can provide you good data service at a reasonable price (made useable with a Wilson or Wi-Ex repeater), and use that with a Cradlepoint (or similar) router. If mass-quantity bandwidth is needed, perhaps the satellite provider could be your secondary bandwidth (though they are inherently limited by the quantity of bandwidth the satellite can offer). Otherwise, maybe you can "see" a building in whatever is "downtown" (Hearne?) and establish your own wireless link there. Ubiquiti or Microtik gear is inexpensive and outdoor-grade... -Peter _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 02:47:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B60542A28 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 02:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A94E42A1A for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 02:46:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id w8mQ1l0010mv7h05E8mQpg; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 08:46:24 +0000 Received: from SpiffAWesome2.technologist.com ([65.216.230.2]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id w8kF1l00V03lP4Z3X8kH8B; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 08:44:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 04:43:45 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Richard Beels mail.com> References: <1372693715.88277.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> s=q20121106; t=1372927584; bh=uwx8qbgZwQ5pcK1753HBuQA60qu/Sq2UevXsa81jitI=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type; b=hMltpuk2O7cEsN3+mt303DQET7FNFQCfuSQIjsJu8txGScTnhFZmg8LZwUAMXO8b1 bLBR2lGf8vhcl42msD4xYcd+7yKCTLguWotdlHlGcuePGpqcYd7zjRac/u584Fvy8B Q1eaxCTPm+izcnDWPJ03gcoPrAHPTB++8DWeu9WMQndIiCsjwnPlk/UEnW5mmb5pH+ Gb9q3UA4bv82cl1QZxEHYUuM7QjR+dr3po63/cC0kLYaPRRmOA6mraKQd1yWG42O9h 6BqOocP9EQ8DWbIselrOknC4Zp/IU9ksA2cPMvO4GBRAD+MNZYoN+lkwzn0iBFVoxy 6UcHMr0U7s/WA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cell Phone Signal Boosters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net you can if you use republic wireless. $19 a month for unlimited voice/text/data. they want you to prefer wireless over cell (they buy in bulk from sprint) since providing the service over wifi is essentially free. current phone is a motorola something running android. some more phones coming out this summer. wife has been running this for a year now and it's been great for her. we both can get a free month if I refer you, if you (or anyone else) want. no sweat if you don't. At 07/01/2013 at 12:04, Shakespearean monkeys danced on Ronnie Day's keyboard and said: >Doug, I understand that I can use Wifi for data. We do that already, but I >don't think I can use the data side to make and receive calls, can >I? That's what I'm looking for. > >RD > > >On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:48 AM, old dirtbeard wrote: > > > Hi Ron, > > > > I faced a similar situation at my house. If you get a phone that has WiFi > > (most any of the "smart phones"), and have a wireless WiFi router for your > > computers (from your home DSL or cable modem), you can just configure your > > cell phone to use WiFi when you are around the house. The newer routers > > have great range (mine will cover the acre lot here no problem). > > > > best, > > > > doug Cheers! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 09:16:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7E5403EF for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 09:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5EF1403EA for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 09:15:57 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:59:08 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 07/04/2013 10:59:09, Serialize complete at 07/04/2013 10:59:09 Subject: [Shop-talk] Happy 4th, and I need a special part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Happy 4th to all of my US brothers. Sorry about the 4th to all my English Brothers. 8>) Anyway, I need some help... I need to replace this part. It comes from a 80's vintage Black and Decker Spacemaker coffee pot (Model #SDC2A-TY1 Black & Decker Drip coffeemaker). Here is a link to the page with the part... http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-model/black-decker-parts/coffee-maker-parts/model-sdc2aty1/1228/0211000/00053026/00001 It's part # 45 on that page. PART NUMBER: 164570-00 It seems to be a rubber reduction elbow 3/8" ID to 3/4" ID. Here is the problem. The part isn't available anymore. When I look up replacement parts, I can't find any that say they are approved for drinking water (just that they are NOT approved for fuel or oil.) One half of this hose goes on a part that much get pretty hot. I thought about buying another of the coffee pots, but my guess is that this part will fail on any of them since it's over 30 years old. I can't find another under counter coffee pot that works as well as this one (I've tried.) So I need this part. Any hints on where to find such a beast? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 09:35:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4EC42AC9 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 09:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B015C403F5 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 09:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.158] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 15:24:58 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.243] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 15:24:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 15:24:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372951498; bh=ua2v64EqN9Yh0zptu5qofGRRlwlDWZVnH3VmMjNjJvg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=nQziak0bqi53Nn+7EnWz4KbRrfbhrncj0Wc/97zCuIfSSozcdnp28QKr37gjzoemYHgNPAlfo/kIcXJQ46mhynKeLa57yHRHtZ2h+D9aH60pmhXU/XqKs+02D5CAv9VsFGP+TtqYtNCT7yDJ+29aRKaGRt/dXYJktkg41ioVEuA= D0UAP3wN00Ja5N15Vc5CsrlCUQty9JDTjcp1YZUIq8.mnDz8_EVuPfkxo1Do 3a78DsWtKhi4xCMR0Ri7e8tMBMqudVQ02Ycv3d_Laf1BJJYoy8Ss_GFu7Ww2 xxllGjS50gujB1r31lNyXliA4L2MFCdXed5FdV7FpV2hFG5Kp5e8dpJ8Q3Rz DCeeXkqIUGvq7CeL6usCHwKvg7Zjgbh20sixBICx6ItFigUVNGcPrirh2im3 YIqYDGp4h7QkUO_Vb.Im_xp2T9eq3tBkwOt_KIGko5Xyfvxi8vYwb_.CmyRu cIqMrW5cxbyhi5TPrnhGjrN1sEvUSVBFABFxLlVwhog2NotAbxy_eWjjAQId P0mvhBTx._WaJQTNlrNJvWah1BwQBBCXSwbQN6IL4graZhfMR9agtlHLoG6p 5bXkrUkVqOL_TsJ560xcm6LiQngftSDNAfNjx352oCC5JBZg945e6s1erQ8R xN1X527T2fltEZ0WndI22gNHBg90eMegbOOsxTMBukF5E9frCXafjbT0n4fy XP2UnUhppyGIxG55xo1UTUK5yio9fi3g1Aq4qV4KxqcRcS5hpNA1161s1Z4o 7fB.sQ3U6EBzRyDtD9djxOkD8EkrgCpQ8iHe5qW81lwDutwz_SylXHy5sJhT U3o_M0MX1fm8glWzea2thBDEA8uJdLPOSV542nqFY0bvMQD.4TycU9vq7cXk tMnPMiCBDw.2KodB0hmxJZziXZV0PEfYa4975mhZM2A-- login) by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2013 08:24:58 -0700 PDT From: "John Niolon" To: , "shop-talk" References: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:27:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Happy 4th, and I need a special part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric ??? what the heck is wrong with you... you've used this item far beyond it's expected life, you're trying to repair an obviously obsolete appliance... I'm surprised in today's climate that the EPA/TSA/FBI/NSA/LSMFT and Good Housekeeping aren't at your door without a warrant. !!! It should have been trashed at least 20 years ago and replaced at least 5 times by now with inferior products... that will leak much quicker. I'm sorely disappointed in you and your total disregard for the 'American Way' of throw it out and head to Walmart !!! You are so un-patriotic.. oh... BTW a happy 4th to you all all on Shop-talk.. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 9:59 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Happy 4th, and I need a special part. > Happy 4th to all of my US brothers. Sorry about the 4th to all my English > Brothers. 8>) > > Anyway, I need some help... > I need to replace this part. It comes from a 80's vintage Black and > Decker Spacemaker coffee pot > (Model #SDC2A-TY1 Black & Decker Drip coffeemaker). > Here is a link to the page with the part... > http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-model/black-decker-parts/coffee-maker-parts/model-sdc2aty1/1228/0211000/00053026/00001 > > It's part # 45 on that page. PART NUMBER: 164570-00 > It seems to be a rubber reduction elbow 3/8" ID to 3/4" ID. > > Here is the problem. The part isn't available anymore. When I look up > replacement parts, I can't find any that say they are approved for > drinking water (just that they are NOT approved for fuel or oil.) > One half of this hose goes on a part that much get pretty hot. > I thought about buying another of the coffee pots, but my guess is that > this part will fail on any of them since it's over 30 years old. > > I can't find another under counter coffee pot that works as well as this > one (I've tried.) So I need this part. > > Any hints on where to find such a beast? > > Thanks. > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 09:35:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BFA42ACA for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 09:35:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E028742A50 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 09:29:28 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1372951765; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=QnVwqr3ogmvR9uzhhmwTY/FbJfUFedkv42LwgonCcO12QYEytCJbBPp6V1W4t4QVt cHRJ56HJiLbp4umZpMCRn0inbGnozTLx6Pr9i3AaCYxOCpS4sTGMYgbpGv1BoNI0wV 9Nw3jFbHLO+DzowaEtixM1oQ88MBh/Z2W9lr+hY8= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail14.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.154]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ7MFFAAJRDYCJ for (sender ); Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail14.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:27:27 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:27:27 GMT To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Happy 4th, and I need a special part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dag-nabbit! A packrat from way back, I have stored junk for years because you never know when you are gonna need a part.We used that coffee maker for many years before we moved and it didn't make it into the new kitchen.It was stored in my shop until just a couple of months ago and the wife convinced me to goodwill it as we had 3 functional (all different) coffeemakers on the shelf.In a moment of weakness and declutter fervor I gave in. I woulda shipped you the whole thing... Just goes to prove as soon as you get rid of something a good use will come along. Inch, you probably have some of the most recent and significant deployment time of the folks on this board. Thanks for your service! Matt AGE RES PROPRIAS TUAS ---------- Original Message ---------- From: eric@megageek.com To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Happy 4th, and I need a special part. Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:59:08 -0400 Happy 4th to all of my US brothers. Sorry about the 4th to all my English Brothers. 8>) Anyway, I need some help... I need to replace this part. It comes from a 80's vintage Black and Decker Spacemaker coffee pot (Model #SDC2A-TY1 Black & Decker Drip coffeemaker). Here is a link to the page with the part... http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-model/black-decker-parts/cof fee-maker-parts/model-sdc2aty1/1228/0211000/00053026/00001 It's part # 45 on that page. PART NUMBER: 164570-00 It seems to be a rubber reduction elbow 3/8" ID to 3/4" ID. Here is the problem. The part isn't available anymore. When I look up replacement parts, I can't find any that say they are approved for drinking water (just that they are NOT approved for fuel or oil.) One half of this hose goes on a part that much get pretty hot. I thought about buying another of the coffee pots, but my guess is that this part will fail on any of them since it's over 30 years old. I can't find another under counter coffee pot that works as well as this one (I've tried.) So I need this part. Any hints on where to find such a beast? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mbarre@juno.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 09:50:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F62042AC8 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 09:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4930D403CF for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 09:44:46 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=RXfm3ArjvQnFIwhnWhJPach3VLZ7eHaEgR6usQLGqlw/CBl+edwZHUxAPZ1ruNgV; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.13.40] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Uulhm-0007TD-1B; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 11:44:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 08:42:43 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: eric@megageek.com References: Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Happy 4th, and I need a special part - search engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric - Can you use a CPVC elbow with a reducing fitting? It is good for hot water, so could be good for the heat. I also tried searching myself and really dislike how the search engines no longer let us specify an exact search term. Once upon a time, you could say "164570-00" and you would only get those results. Now the search engines strip the dash and let in commas, spaces, and periods and think it is the same thing, even with their advanced search page. I tried Google, Bing, and Alta Vista. Does anyone know of a search engine that actually gives you ask for? Brian On 7/4/2013 7:59 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Happy 4th to all of my US brothers. Sorry about the 4th to all my English > Brothers. 8>) > > Anyway, I need some help... > I need to replace this part. It comes from a 80's vintage Black and > Decker Spacemaker coffee pot > (Model #SDC2A-TY1 Black & Decker Drip coffeemaker). > Here is a link to the page with the part... > http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-model/black-decker-parts/coffee-maker-parts/model-sdc2aty1/1228/0211000/00053026/00001 > > It's part # 45 on that page. PART NUMBER: 164570-00 > It seems to be a rubber reduction elbow 3/8" ID to 3/4" ID. > > Here is the problem. The part isn't available anymore. When I look up > replacement parts, I can't find any that say they are approved for > drinking water (just that they are NOT approved for fuel or oil.) > One half of this hose goes on a part that much get pretty hot. > I thought about buying another of the coffee pots, but my guess is that > this part will fail on any of them since it's over 30 years old. > > I can't find another under counter coffee pot that works as well as this > one (I've tried.) So I need this part. > > Any hints on where to find such a beast? > > Thanks. > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 11:32:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B828342A9F for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B30442A7A for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.drteeth.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89255F3936 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMDHexaCore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A87F3935 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 10:12:11 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke mail.megageek.com> localhost.drteeth.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Happy 4th, and I need a special part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Looked up the part number on Black and Decker's site, it shows it as "back ordered", as opposed to "not available". Maybe give them a call directly? Maybe, just like owners of vintage cars will have 2 or 3 parts cars in the back yard, it's time to collect a couple of vintage coffee makers for parts. eBay shows 3 used ones listed for around $20 + $12-14 shipping. Search for "black decker spacemaker coffee". Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 412,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 11:33:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0FF42AE7 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:33:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD0D42A85 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:33:04 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=ZO2IHD-i9eIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=h9cYO3XCpgoA:10 a=5lucXWJGAAAA:8 a=h-iOPhCxDFSqsJi-XTMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55003] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BF/19-06197-CC1B5D15; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 17:33:02 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:33:11 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac54zjGJ/zMX6sgpS3WwZwAdopVFvAAC3unQ Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Happy 4th, and I need a special part - search engines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Eric - Can you use a CPVC elbow with a reducing fitting? It > is good for hot water, so could be good for the heat. Copper might be another choice; with some short straight sections of vinyl or silicone hose and clamps to couple it. MMC has USDA compliant silicone tubing in 3/8 and 3/4 id, rated to 450F. Unfortunately they won't sell less than about $10 worth of each, so you'll have to decide if your coffee pot is worth $30 to you. Add some clamps and a 5520K194 5/8" street ell plus a 5520K145 5/8 to 1/4 reducer, and I think you're set. http://www.mcmaster.com/#copper-solder-joint-tube-fittings/=nh6p7r Copper fittings are sized by inside diameter, but the OD of a 5/8" female fitting is 3/4" and the OD of a 1/4" female fitting is 3/8". Since your coffee pot uses low pressure, I think you should be fine clamping hoses to the smooth OD of the normally sweat copper fitting. I've done the same thing for systems running up to about 30 psi, and never had one come off. If you're worried about it coming apart, you could always lay a bead of solder on the fitting, for the hose to 'grab'. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 12:09:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6C442AF6 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E2042AC7 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:04:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.247]) by out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 04 Jul 2013 18:04:38 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DC5942F80AC for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 18:04:37 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 11:04:38 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Routers, again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The computer kind. OK, when we got DSL some time ago (probably seven or eight years ago) we got whatever Westell wifi router that Verizon provided with the service. It still works ok but it's slow and the range is pretty pathetic. I think it's time for a replacement. If you go to Amazon or Newegg there are a ton of routers and the reviews are all over the place. So would anyone like to suggest a basic modern wifi and hardwired router with decent range and throughput, and that won't take an EE to set up? Thanks _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 15:47:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525C040424 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:47:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm47.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm47.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8B54041B for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm47.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 21:47:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.145] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 21:42:54 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.221] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 21:42:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 21:42:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 30499 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2013 21:42:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372974173; bh=AQ+Wc1dZd7iay6Bs0hyme8/19JjtjvkvvoJYrtfrxzk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Xy416JE3FUaJmQ8jaort1p4o+S2QFxmZ551ML6CSF1JBStlVUDQtUN+SYXAKgfKAtlFngiwanc2u2E52CjYZjuh4f73FcQke8baxcx523mxVhAZPSn9i+o16ADlGtzUmgeK2VFzaOkyinl7/pDMA4bG9EvUCcwycnqLWYwiZx5o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KIYvKvtyyu9nz4+Jj5QNDeDCJPCnafwScAW1h5EzaEJDFYUqnSIZLv8MJ3UMQ7sN02c7l9NqVMmk/sSpZTRWqnp1QNR1VT7gfb7D5Bhp50w3AEC8WOlIsGW7CdW0WpL7xZ56XwnYPSCcT+RFEG+K99S/mQ8/DDBXTlsoginfsLM= ; lp1IreKac6XLxPq0hs4Yrq2qCQsu8F7MT2zQ6zxy6VI_STZJLcaIhtBw1cYC QJDV2iwTqIz1LTQIEu2.5DeNjFi4jjYBgpdqbl6_9hzsTyPWpQ5Z3BKDfeRj q8p2lRiWQt3p2XkOjwCYp1gr6f3CVXPnaCLGnOvnkATVMOH3tBKhPdVAF7dz mmRDhgStKxEQEQvaRDW5TrHg1XWcGHh1HqGBNVXUoE13Vyefdyb1VRGVbOQf KF53Hv2CKoS_fqio9khBSjg3jVqXAAtS.iMgDv_xvatosnLas7pyjpJVtSy3 b3TbPfMsCcQx4aMEFMxLFed_WhEYsWWfKrFE.nWjWcemIdjHVbzvnQcMjOjb fruufK10Cf1mDWL1LP7oiyFWNzuP9_dhG9EGfQvyIxulUWW.IP0bI8DlKhvD Ritqog.1ppaENP6CPCBTH8h82I8KYzykDKJtmSPar3cTCvd4vhOzg0wdcye9 NmHdqY0PAP2iGEfSwiiwvwZ2p2I99Qr8sEtopifrGdhvteW.JQKIELvSF.44 6hrvEtIV.cEMUd_nnAk0qz2JXfV9AQDvettwkzKNtHXwHhcfgUK3qn1wK3g4 0xnwGRJ_zcZzbQiKCm_i7gc5DYiQeodJD_0uE1OmaB5iBnfu7Oqfho0yG5v8 D23kHjqQN_xd1IoE9XxWa2GxV6QpKwXe7h9sNLREXv6uvomd3oDxYIrVn9yr 2hsg0UXm9WgXmIIp419KOkPGOuu.G.g4irvULhUkigH1AmbPhBAG_obvzRjz 3iyGX1p7i86.QU9B4EXY_GZMTFnJZQU0qKJwehE81zyYSjSQcgSEPuzgEls_ GwDSarbZ_UKArqdZU7s7GOzpliy8YkR3iPWPtm_jVc3NLbXP3XNnNKAcLQbZ OBFSP1S3cH0h6R_5x0odFKnTao_NKHaiy6kz9FHts69XUxNLlJk4VSvfS1.J Hi1gpfhU6PTSh03Ta4HyMVy7HTpeYTm2xEMTbmtgx6XyF Received: from [67.77.15.232] by web140005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 14:42:53 PDT QmxhY2sgYW5kIERlY2tlciBzZWVtcyB0byBsaXN0IHRoYXQgwqBwYXJ0IGFzIGJhY2tvcmRlcmVkLiBNYXliZSB5b3UgY2FuIG9yZGVyIGl0IGFuZCBzZWUgd2hhdCB0aGV5IGRvIHdpdGggdGhlIG9yZGVyIG9yIGNhbGwgdGhlaXIgY3VzdG9tZXIgc2VydmljZT8KCiQyLjIwCgpodHRwOi8vc2VydmljZW5ldC5ibGFja2FuZGRlY2tlci5jb20vUGFydHMvU2VhcmNoP3NlYXJjaGVkTnVtYmVyPTE2NDU3MC0wMAoKCkJyaWFuCgoKLS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLQo.IEZyb206ICJlcmljQG1lZ2EBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 14:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Happy 4th, and I need a special part. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Black and Decker seems to list that part as backordered. Maybe you can order it and see what they do with the order or call their customer service? $2.20 http://servicenet.blackanddecker.com/Parts/Search?searchedNumber=164570-00 Brian ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eric@megageek.com" > To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 10:59 AM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Happy 4th, and I need a special part. > > Happy 4th to all of my US brothers. Sorry about the 4th to all my English > Brothers. 8>) > > Anyway, I need some help... > I need to replace this part. It comes from a 80's vintage Black and > Decker Spacemaker coffee pot > (Model #SDC2A-TY1 Black & Decker Drip coffeemaker). > Here is a link to the page with the part... > http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-model/black-decker-parts/cof fee-maker-parts/model-sdc2aty1/1228/0211000/00053026/00001 > > It's part # 45 on that page. PART NUMBER: 164570-00 > It seems to be a rubber reduction elbow 3/8" ID to 3/4" ID. > > Here is the problem. The part isn't available anymore. When I look up > replacement parts, I can't find any that say they are approved for > drinking water (just that they are NOT approved for fuel or oil.) > One half of this hose goes on a part that much get pretty hot. > I thought about buying another of the coffee pots, but my guess is that > this part will fail on any of them since it's over 30 years old. > > I can't find another under counter coffee pot that works as well as this > one (I've tried.) So I need this part. > > Any hints on where to find such a beast? > > Thanks. > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/battmain@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 16:11:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682DA42AE7 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 16:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE317403FE for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 16:07:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id v1so1545193lbd.32 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:07:47 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=W+dk8gwn1/0qlZvnDypNU8B8RC3cFyxNbgfOgUxoSCw=; b=Pyq5sTr02ktVPwu3Z4ffyroehcrT5ga9dbEsQZHUCRYSPnPleu+Dp2l4p1ZociX4gT szG7UVpGt7bGgWiYO6sXqfDgsEt5j0WgnB9KbBP4TzH8JyuC2jLMDfWN/q7eaHCSDqBh 3f64LtLmjvwBInupbgbqCNBQKD8Rv7+bhoupyl6EvqTPhyJk/kRHIc5gCks6qJxrG1Ak MfGoOUhtxrDUd8KsGPv+wxnoL/nUDgwDnhbnPLJTKB1l2w6m29yIfvWF4KYaw4Wvz8jK rqmMBpZRYVYYKPkxkiTYps1v/A24++Bep1MCFHQyHfJT2IfGYkZCJ2hEf/lWmZ9Qwtyk G03g== vx1mr4377923lbb.78.1372975667099; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 15:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.20.9 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 15:07:46 -0700 (PDT) References: <51D5B936.1070702@frontier.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 18:07:46 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Dave C Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Routers, again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Dave C wrote: > The computer kind. > > So would anyone like to suggest a basic modern wifi and hardwired router > with decent range and throughput, and that won't take an EE to set up? I bought one of these, refurbished, from this vendor in January 2011: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5569261&CatId=2668 It fills my house, and as far as I can recall hasn't dropped a connection or needed rebooting since then. Jeff Scarbrough Tesla Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 17:14:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B34F42A40 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 17:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6931840410 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 17:14:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 23:14:05 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.170] by tm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 23:09:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.212] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 23:09:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2013 23:09:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 48402 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2013 23:09:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1372979399; bh=gy9xOBaRGiu34SzJ8kaiJdeMbZnuOeqhKxQ9jldB16c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B31m2sPLOwRSy6i+ySt2l6rGFh3o6udChoMWIQbwOiyBfNBXqirWBT+uVtdye8T3m1AftKKRlKn9gSDcCyz7qcXe+2zP2lNl+u6QLJP1uxNQicv7h3W0aRlVP7sQw+dOAptiK4A3GFV/emF9Q+Z1Loc763ELACsHZ9AtFNGA100= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NfPtxit6Y0rn2kEW8ANIqHYf44yVsyLZFbg0nNdv1IqDp4rLTiJEshGNA1FSzJ8VfRNKAV7szoYxspXipnDazPgATyRTpi527KkgJVoXxkL3SsNoQKtv7TA40XQ1wJ3iVqKtXAbFKArt9RPz72EkGx8tP/GYcLNEI38hVcbjAbo= ; WNb_vzJOC69VlnLo9lRNwWgUUANcGY49sO3OeHReg.Q7TTCAloCKgiG1Xe1V D30Iqw3Vp5uitn07Zpik5FnYO2TaAjHFEBf0dQAHKRDehkzw1k6pLsCK0fn. 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Older routers did WEP encryption, the newer ones do WPA2, which is what the newer wireless cards handle. To communicate with the wireless devices, you have wireless N, but upcoming is wireless AC. So may want to wait for everybody to get to the standard. It's a mismatch at the moment, quite similar to how wireless N was when it was introduced. I think we need to determine first if you're going to move from DSL to cable internet. (like I'm going to do.) If so, then it will be worth it to get a DOCSIS 3.0 modem which increases the throughput at high speed. The forums are reporting noticeable speed improvement after upgrading their modems from docsis 2.0. Then the router needs to be able to handle the high speed data without choking. The ASUS wireless AC routers are getting mixed reviews. I've read both good and bad about them. Brian ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave C > To: Shop Talk List > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 2:04 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Routers, again > >T he computer kind. > > OK, when we got DSL some time ago (probably seven or eight years ago) we > got whatever Westell wifi router that Verizon provided with the > service. It still works ok but it's slow and the range is pretty > pathetic. I think it's time for a replacement. If you go to Amazon > or Newegg there are a ton of routers and the reviews are all over the > place. > > So would anyone like to suggest a basic modern wifi and hardwired router > with decent range and throughput, and that won't take an EE to set up? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/battmain@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 4 20:19:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F7640531 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 20:19:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7974041C for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 20:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay05.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.168]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2013 02:14:26 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay05.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0F5172F914; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 02:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 19:14:27 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Battmain References: <51D5B936.1070702@frontier.com> <1372979399.35824.YahooMailNeo@web140006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Cc: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Routers, again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Probably not. We live in a rural area and I don't even know who the cable provider is (we get TV via satellite) We don't even have reliable cell service. The problem is we are down a 900 foot long driveway and we have underground phone and power from the house back to the street with the power/phone lines, and I don't plan to trench back for cable. I'm stuck with DSL for the foreseeable future. On 7/4/2013 4:09 PM, Battmain wrote: > think we need to determine first if you're going > to move from DSL to cable internet. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 04:28:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A95B4041B for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 04:28:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEC4403F5 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 04:28:46 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=NEham_qUIDQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=KWNvdbsyPLAA:10 a=ZIZe1xbKp5MIKY9RJqcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55008] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 94/6D-15971-DDF96D15; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 10:28:46 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dave C'" , "'Shop Talk List'" Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 03:28:57 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac544Z5a2x2kVKfRQbCOa7h8hTGkugAhygOg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Routers, again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > So would anyone like to suggest a basic modern wifi and > hardwired router with decent range and throughput, and that > won't take an EE to set up? I've been happy with my Netgear WGR614L. It covers the whole house with ease, including the yard (tho I do have it in a pretty central location both horizontal and vertical). Worked right out of the box (but I do suggest setting the passwords for both WiFi and administrative access). ISTR I paid about $50 @ the local Best Buy, but Amazon has it for under $30. Only trouble I've had is that it used to require rebooting every month or two. But putting one edge up on something else (for improved air circulation) seems to have solved that. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 06:25:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354E44041D for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 06:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C04403F5 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 06:20:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wbsL1l0041c6gX856cLp7Q; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 12:20:49 +0000 Received: from Dell2010Watson ([24.127.11.141]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wcLp1l00b32bGuo3jcLpFC; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 12:20:49 +0000 From: "Mark Watson" To: "Dave C" , "Shop Talk List" References: <51D5B936.1070702@frontier.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 08:20:41 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1373026849; bh=AMlgfLABuc0bvB0e6sYkQo2czJwbaIo0vIetvPcKq7k=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Bih80YwfbyN0jEwTJVYEGN31KqJsMFXXu4R9F8A/73Buz7AvLE3nwpTGA5WfWYKAZ Zhm7q/mppYpYm55uCRW4bPHODMDeKHyfhls/IJ/iYNKAX0kdTbpolhZPLYj/kp5cST Od95ehavEdYpa5lCTchkgv6XSFsJiyceFt30mF50ehMONcnswgRy5k8OU7oeyxGHFp CSutq3fRZId03bIJO/rzPoe3CoCDPk7bYiQxQ4g4ANXsAJVJ9CHw7QV9EiVKfKwdG6 ekx7EiLpXczMZbNV6T4890yIdCZbEXetxx7EbVTQMTcLeGi0VHfgHO+Iy8tZqRnAO+ TSR6ynRUlr5aA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Routers, again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, Recently I replaced an old Belkin with an Asus RT-N66U. It was a bit more expensive but I've been happy so far. I had to reboot the old router almost every time I tried to use the wireless and haven't yet had to reboot the new one. It reaches from the middle of our rancher to both ends with good speed. What I really like is that it's designed with slots on the back so I can mount it to the wall to help with the range. I am an EE but I didn't use any of what I learned in school to set this up. Of course I graduated with my BS in '83 so any discussion about a router in those days would have been in controlling the speed of the woodworking kind's motor ;-) NFI, etc. Mark W. 1965 Falcon "Georgie" - 4door, 6 cylinder, 3 on the tree 1956 Daimler Regency Mk II '104' - "The Big D" - long term resto various other transportation pods -----Original Message----- From: Dave C Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 2:04 PM To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Routers, again The computer kind. OK, when we got DSL some time ago (probably seven or eight years ago) we got whatever Westell wifi router that Verizon provided with the service. It still works ok but it's slow and the range is pretty pathetic. I think it's time for a replacement. If you go to Amazon or Newegg there are a ton of routers and the reviews are all over the place. So would anyone like to suggest a basic modern wifi and hardwired router with decent range and throughput, and that won't take an EE to set up? Thanks _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 13:10:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3234044A for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:10:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53CE40403 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:02:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.164]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2013 19:02:42 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 72F945F9C for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 19:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 12:02:44 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Shop Talk List References: <51D5B936.1070702@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Routers, again (follow up) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the input. Now I just need to decide which one to get, but at least the choices are narrowed down. Follow up question: Can I leave my old wireless network up and live while I'm installing the new one, then transition the devices over one at a time? The old one is named "home" so I could name the new one "new home" and then reconnect everything, get the MAC filtering, passwords, etc all up one at a time and if there were any glitches at least the old one would be running as a backup. In addition to the desktop (hard wired to the router) I'm running two netbooks in the house, plus two regular Kindles, a Kindle Fire and a Nook HD+. Out in the shop I have an old range booster, another netbook, and another wifi device that makes my solar panel interface think it's plugged into a hardwired modem. I have no idea how I ended up with all that hardware, but that seems to be the way it goes. On 7/4/2013 11:04 AM, Dave C wrote: > The computer kind. > > OK, when we got DSL some time ago (probably seven or eight years ago) > we got whatever Westell wifi router that Verizon provided with the > service. It still works ok but it's slow and the range is pretty > pathetic. I think it's time for a replacement. If you go to Amazon > or Newegg there are a ton of routers and the reviews are all over the > place. > > So would anyone like to suggest a basic modern wifi and hardwired > router with decent range and throughput, and that won't take an EE to > set up? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 13:40:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3BD4044F for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C247840403 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([12.162.141.2]) by p3plsmtpa11-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id wjfH1l00803JK1Y01jfHA1; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 12:39:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 14:39:10 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <51D5B936.1070702@frontier.com> <51D71854.7070105@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Routers, again (follow up) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, The best way to add the new router while maintaining the old one is to plug the new one directly into an unused port on your DSL router directly, if there is a spare port. If not, just plug it into the wireless router and then reboot everything and make sure that everything is still working. I am late replying to your initial post and wanted to mention that in a lot of rural areas there are wifi providers that use ground-based radio links to get service to customers. I am using that type of service here because we can't get DSL or cable, we are in a sparsely populated area, about 5 miles out of the nearest town. Our only options are satellite - which I don't recommend, dialup or the service we have. You might search for "wifi service" and your zip code. When I did that with my zip I came up with my provider and another one that just came into the area. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Dave C > Thanks for all the input. Now I just need to decide which one to get, > but at least the choices are narrowed down. > > Follow up question: > > Can I leave my old wireless network up and live while I'm installing > the new one, then transition the devices over one at a time? The old > one is named "home" so I could name the new one "new home" and then > reconnect everything, get the MAC filtering, passwords, etc all up one > at a time and if there were any glitches at least the old one would be > running as a backup. > > In addition to the desktop (hard wired to the router) I'm running two > netbooks in the house, plus two regular Kindles, a Kindle Fire and a > Nook HD+. > > Out in the shop I have an old range booster, another netbook, and > another wifi device that makes my solar panel interface think it's > plugged into a hardwired modem. I have no idea how I ended up with > all that hardware, but that seems to be the way it goes. > > > On 7/4/2013 11:04 AM, Dave C wrote: >> The computer kind. >> >> OK, when we got DSL some time ago (probably seven or eight years ago) >> we got whatever Westell wifi router that Verizon provided with the >> service. It still works ok but it's slow and the range is pretty >> pathetic. I think it's time for a replacement. If you go to >> Amazon or Newegg there are a ton of routers and the reviews are all >> over the place. >> >> So would anyone like to suggest a basic modern wifi and hardwired >> router with decent range and throughput, and that won't take an EE to >> set up? >> >> Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 10:38:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6527C406A3 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (unknown [209.85.219.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB41940043 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id g12so14544569oah.39 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:14:59 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=qiyiaxats1//G3sO+JFd8mj72VkuZyhhD3uVEUJF5p0=; b=dWa1zVCbRh42HTcp6nZNqwS7aeGGqz1ez9G6txmAmRxLWR88y6L97Kpv59Gv6DOPP4 A+lKz/LRVwxqHXHaeMrJi9LAZlxlMDECRcnQx9xeESJSA6EeOTxutlpgpjokRAdIXra2 WvN9qFniWAzpuKtSmPhbaC5Wd2A7pOIGGl0oeTm36sviwEkoLlyZzbUFa5MNWIb5Pklm HgI27r/SIVeKpvCngm3QCELy7KkpveX8fi5u+XotUZVG71DuNep7V+Dv1CZXYJvVTdut ByBJOBBu7PscY8A+haWbR8r+sSKjOPAitWDPUVRRx4qz+H8+7TvHIEAdxTCy9K+eJnqW 2+dg== py7mr41388524obc.92.1373818498993; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.149.67 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:14:58 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Old wrench sizing system Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I bought an old open-ended wrench at a flea market. One end was 1", but was marked "3/4 (X) C". The other end was 1-1/8", but was marked "7/8 (X) C". The "(X)" is actually a hexagon. Does anybody know what this sizing system is? Thanks, Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 12:13:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F98740535 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:13:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD8D40397 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:13:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.drteeth.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A2EF3936 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMDHexaCore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE442F3935 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:12:12 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke mail.com> localhost.drteeth.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Old wrench sizing system Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Doug wrote: Looks like it's the old school method of marking the fastener size on the wrench, not the size of the wrench opening as is done now. http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/table_oe_wrench.html There were three standards for nuts and bolts: SAE, USS (US Standard) and Hex Capscrew. A wrench with the same size opening might have three different size indications for each of the three standards. This confusing system was phased out in the '20s in favor of the current across-flats size markings. So your wrench was made to fit 3/4" and 7/8" diameter Hex Capscrew bolts/nuts. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 412,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 14 18:32:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A734040E for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f45.google.com (mail-oa0-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71EF403D4 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id j1so15121810oag.32 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=9Rm78XB5bCmDbqNLqxZf+vcjRrvtZOBc7BACE/o6N3M=; b=SIhKYaXmoL2PLZs2k2Y9yMHzmzWiu/+3bBzuQgzsosGuBT2Lpmp7PN+/Th09SBzt6n q7tCrdhcFxPT2u53rumk8dNrurg3zxTfS53wtezm6/m+HjpHOSRkSJdPN9UVH5Wpgqvv dUZKnf1m6jBusyEUBDfMjPINtWExRmhZZT/WwxZw/+m/KsMkezc0VAYWc4dxzaSy53Qs +3qTJbTxcCzTgd0pmsXF4CC0hVb7LDIaow44ymW9dZSf9t/yGiwHyfqXmI0CBwXyPlta hzkoWa0RZtYfsB6hfdLm884VB/KBS0Jpb7sJZGOxx3j3UTUNTTt19yZnmW1aRyWgDU2w WP8w== wp7mr41974150obc.67.1373848364250; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.149.67 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20130714105940.021e7860@mail.avvanta.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 20:32:44 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Old wrench sizing system Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the info. The alloy artifacts web site is a gold mine of information! Doug On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Todd Walke wrote: > Doug wrote: > > Looks like it's the old school method of marking the fastener size > on the wrench, not the size of the wrench opening as is done now. > > http://home.comcast.net/~**alloy-artifacts/table_oe_**wrench.html > > There were three standards for nuts and bolts: SAE, USS (US > Standard) and Hex Capscrew. A wrench with the same size opening might have > three different size indications for each of the three standards. This > confusing system was phased out in the '20s in favor of the current > across-flats size markings. > > So your wrench was made to fit 3/4" and 7/8" diameter Hex Capscrew > bolts/nuts. > > wrench-marked-fraction-**hexagon-c-208893/ > > > spencer-company.html > > > > Todd > Seattle,WA > '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles > '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 412,000 miles > '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a > new home :( > http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/doug@**dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 15 09:22:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CBC40527 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:22:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6985340425 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130715152201.IORH24708.mta31.charter.net@imp10> for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:22:01 -0400 Received: from wt09 ([209.225.8.59]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 0fN11m0041GRMdM05fN1Zu; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:22:01 -0400 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Pxys6UCN1MAA:10 a=mrF3mdm3QZXDmcI3WUAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=PsA-1Sdh3w8A:10 a=4T82FBrE2fQA:10 a=5K5eol3Pg7X8FdJOogEA:9 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:22:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:22:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] Angie's list Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone out there have an Angie's list membership? Please contact me off list if you do. Thanks! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 20 09:27:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B004044B for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6981040356 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:26:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id xk17so6571594obc.10 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 08:26:50 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=mYqhxI7KrR/AbVrF2e/ovTDgLz3ZB6ZWAxlwtuD5bBo=; b=K0lBGCW64UPWCenq767SSnFvVHn0+xWzsCjfTiTEYsdp0d7/wGjc3FnIwPt8ABh8FK +0A0ate1TSqHVgyjwFpxozdMdA+NEWnBHf9xB9nUnmBq/tGt8IvBMIuSUEPDuDntmnQi z+qyj/4ZHnnQa0vtqTj078/KIet+JqwlLAU777l9Z0XzJ9naxPcBkmUyiAAKmbl0pPT3 YMX2BD4E7UFH4cytagBbqpQXpxxWcdXPMhXPc9tXHxk6PGkuHxVEveV/LogcvW6X0K1w Js4GF4SO1tbCd3Lpk8C6KXLe6BQE4k/jmoCPQkkXM2GGQr3VmpLGoi2sRE7D6Qg3f2iE IGQg== u3mr15722531obf.29.1374334010033; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 08:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.149.67 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 08:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.149.67 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Jul 2013 08:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 11:26:49 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] ISS Toolbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I like the hammer! *ISS Toolbox - a set on Flickr* | http://www.flickr.com/photos/timpeake/sets/72157634315750824/ read more --- http://pulse.me _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 11:58:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622E040409 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0468A40401 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:53:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641C668C065 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:53:40 -0700 (PDT) :from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=lne.com; bh=Etj5FJb58y3wo4GQhsbcGm2 zvX0=; b=RyuEcuE61CfI+Ph+ro9cWgUUKYutxOY/vuFVVt7EqLxwEk1aQMxtght 5rDRdz6HHDaVDcDcS4r1qed/Uj31levru2YJsFA2WHWN7WKPpBqARrywXIfG/jfc FpQzNunpu7NO/cBNMMhxBb+EXcmx1t/dJkBZb3bUv1YW8alZ+IwI= Received: from [172.16.4.202] (unknown [66.201.49.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ericm@lne.com) by homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DC3068C05F for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:53:39 -0700 From: Eric Murray User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130623 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] finding buried gate wiring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have an electric gate on my driveway about 700' from the house, installed before I bought the house. There is a set of twisted pair wiring from the phone box to the gate to remotely operate it. along with 120v power and a couple signal wires. I need to locate all the junction boxes along the path, and I can't find one. Or rather the contractor who is going to replace the wiring can't find it. The wires are in plastic conduit buried about 1' down. The junction boxes are "Christy" concrete boxes. I have a cheap metal detector. Would it be able to pick up the wiring? Any other ideas for finding the missing box? Divining rods? I have not tried yet because I just thought about using the detector last night and I injured my leg last week and don't want to walk more than I have to. Eric _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 12:30:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFCB40433 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:30:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CC740406 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3FEAE075 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:28:08 -0700 (PDT) message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= groupwbench.org; bh=Wvp78V9H87DP4EMutL7oVvYMOlc=; b=fGmsEvZU8zJo cjoN5Jf6qRgMVxQ9Lgg98HON+y7c/6ZokrXO2LRjQY7vVNgYi145m6m2l2V/TteM +GKcPmo2HcPO7HaTOCM2NoGx43gNdCiSAZcomKM6CENfPKrNPJTUyPjUaOd29WXx IxFeDt5ltcUVCC66+Y+K3p2APN21Gys= Received: from [10.217.37.26] (minengshr001.min.navisite.com [216.251.225.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DD86AAE072 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:28:18 -0400 From: Jim Franklin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <51F2B7A3.5090709@lne.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] finding buried gate wiring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/26/2013 1:53 PM, Eric Murray wrote: > I have a cheap metal detector. Would it be able to pick up the wiring? > Any other ideas for finding the missing box? Divining rods? Hi Eric..Has the contractor tried a toner? I've used one to trace wires in the house. The resolution isn't great (it will locate the stud bay) and there is considerable bleed-over to other cables that touch the one being tested, and the signal drops off quite exponentially with distance, but it might be a cheap first shot. http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Tracer-Tester-Generator-Signal/dp/B001MB759U jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 12:32:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E6440441 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:32:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBE6403C5 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB9B40110134 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:32:02 -0700 (PDT) :from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; s=lne.com; bh=fikhphU4CweFqSYKQGvTzJTR+Dc=; b=ItS Dt/xp2gbDHZanmzU1QtoQHrjkrIhjJWy1X6AvTRKoqo3AZLYSt4dwkrCQKdcsJFv 1r7V0cMLzTwwTvxdPy02y+p/OIOfLvwkTxTNWeDCaxy9LBoV9u0Yf7v8l+BOJDrW RiH2g6VmPUlwExWqgp4KOSBiH1mbsBrQxlTpxmQ4= Received: from [172.16.4.202] (unknown [66.201.49.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ericm@lne.com) by homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3EA6A40110121 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:32:01 -0700 From: Eric Murray User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130623 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Shop-Talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] finding buried gate wiring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 07/26/2013 10:46 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > You need a tone generator and receiver. Here is a middle of the road > one... > > _http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Tone-cube-and-Probe-plus-Kit-VDV500-808/203015886#.UfK5cdK-pVM_ I have one, I didn't think it'd work on buried wiring. The diving rods were a joke (although if they actually worked I'd use them). I don't think my metal detector has a discriminator but I could be wrong, it's been a while. I did find an outfit that rents out wiring detectors which are designed to work on buried wiring- http://www.sprinklerwarehouse.com/Armada-Technologies-Wire-Valve-Locator-p/pro-700-rental.htm Eric _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 12:59:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A75A4040F for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:59:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s2.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s2.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A22640406 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP29 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s2.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:56:02 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.77] ([99.26.130.145]) by BLU0-SMTP29.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:55:59 -0700 From: James Stone Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:56:07 -0500 To: Shop Talk FILETIME=[C43E2240:01CE8A31] Subject: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 1996 Honda Accord that my mother bought new and gave to my daughters when they started driving. The car took them through high school and college and my wife and I now keep it around for when they are home or one of our cars is being serviced. It has 150,000 miles on it, but is sound mechanically and doesn't cost us much to keep. However, it looks like crap. It has its share of dings, but no rust or major damage. It was caught in a tornado and hail storm at one point, but most - but not all - of the damage was repaired when I was able to loan the car to a local painless dent removal company to use for training new technicians. The worst problem is that it suffers from the de-lamination that is typical of cars of this era, especially black ones. My wife would like to spend some money freshening it up and took it to Maaco for an estimate. They quoted her about $500 for a machine sanding and new paint job. I do not want to invest my own time in this car, but $600 isn't bad to give it a new lease on life, although that does not include filling in or popping out any of the remaining hail damage. I have heard mixed reviews of Maaco in the past, but am not expecting a concours paint job. Does anyone here have any first hand experience with them? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 15:11:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF464040F for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31DD403FE for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 58dn1m0080b6N64A49An05; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:10:47 +0000 Received: from BigBlack ([24.22.207.129]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 59Am1m00f2o2ZTs8P9Amw5; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:10:47 +0000 From: "Bob Kegel" To: "James Stone" , "Shop Talk" References: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:10:41 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1374873047; bh=myQqFVNug1gAQee69fXophdlRFBUur6/SkN6fyDDtMA=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L5xTAma1z3uwOS/UeY8y0NeSro3Asn/R+v+3HgrQ1C3T6MEAwhO5hG2j+ipkjnmHU oReAS/AvljbjJ1lJKW0jVozazQiyjQ9QVPiR76c5EWlWb9SuQZbMrOjQZwzaFIEW53 +vGBGgZMsxIY4iqrdrw7yA6K8mKd96pv/CiZCSRt6yw7wPBKIBP3WSj4SPT4HRXRgy hIJ2V4par/fi1/X4/a4n/iN+uLRIhoPHYuBylBVDFmvIt7i77/Anq4cwqcjZGX8by1 vOKk98R13K4rOtJ1gGD1XlgAVG6ZZe2cEACJHCx0MKg31+y08evYYOTmILN8Rn6+lG qlFTwCnV7+9NA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net No first-hand experience. When this topic came up on another forum, someone suggested meeting the the guy who'd do the work beforehand. The advice was to give him a $20 and tell him there'd be another one if you liked the results. Bob K _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 15:18:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A094043D for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:18:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2663640406 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:16:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id i4so8533529oah.38 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:16:42 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=5Bcff8gi1gj/z7/iRoBi7189EVYgG6Fe+e8YOBCFiQc=; b=iDzbZWSb/hVe3IJ5VVNB5jp8pIWNL48kCjEnQrRlOW1/oLMkNKyglMsmBMbL9RECXc OiZWp1tcx5+RmtUqsR5ziluAs2aKkH5rrAjzJeHYNOWzAdG8ZFRIFU5hteXDL6O0tNrL kRcFlFMdIgperGRa4Ej7mH85J1Vstp/wnewHO1eK+C0QVIZJexcqJlbTldtL1jXGtJDi RXumf1T3Uye8j6PPeZ+D7azwOgspcUQjKYXWHvTVYlX65U0JKZIJEbLQ9e5OfOHsIYi4 s5aPKaDtVB/1+/BYNlLDCLlfrr8PGYjMhOsei3W2tnMZMkfGpXz+G1tXvaxVKIBxAmpZ 93QA== no10mr43102890obc.76.1374873402877; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (onshore-gw.logika.net. [64.241.87.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q8sm37009504obl.11.2013.07.26.14.16.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:16:41 -0700 (PDT) References: <51F2C0A1.9050408@lne.com> From: David Scheidt Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:16:39 -0500 To: Eric Murray Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] finding buried gate wiring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Jul 26, 2013, at 13:32, Eric Murray wrote: > On 07/26/2013 10:46 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >> >> You need a tone generator and receiver. Here is a middle of the road >> one... >> >> _http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Tone-cube-and-Probe-plus-Kit-VDV500-8 08/203015886#.UfK5cdK-pVM_ > > I have one, I didn't think it'd work on buried wiring. Toners work by putting a radio signal on the wire. If they're only a foot down try it. > /Armada-Technologies-Wire-Valve- annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 15:49:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8704E4040F for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:49:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (unknown [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5382403FE for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:46:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo210 ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130726214602.NKC3853.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo210> for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:46:02 -0400 Received: from Joanna ([72.209.198.214]) by eastrmimpo210 with cox id 59lz1m0024e2Beo019m1gl; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:46:02 -0400 a=z+JOQeSqIXLCGjBsmWTDRw==:17 a=-JSXjja4x-0A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=QUshW4cs76gA:10 a=_paIzCB2A7NaTMkqIVYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=z+JOQeSqIXLCGjBsmWTDRw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "ElanS4" To: "'Shop Talk'" References: <59Bd1m01X0koGQ6019BfhT> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:46:00 -0400 Thread-Index: AQFXZb/fLVQ5LlX3ctgStlVMqHrjagMKuYPUmk1wLpA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Bob Kegel wrote" > > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? It's been about 30 years since I even knew anyone that went to Maaco, but... They do a good paint job. They do not do good body work (slap on 3 inches of Bondo and call it good. They do not remove the trip, they just paint over it. They barely cover the rubber around the windows - all of them had paint on the window rubber. Etc. But... If you did the body prep, removed the trim, lights, grill, door handles, etc. you got a decent paint job. They were good at spraying paint that lasted, just didn't have the time to do any of the prep work. Me? The couple of times I needed a good paint job, I took it to friend's shops, or a well-respected shop in town. (or even the next state away). Tim Mullen _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 16:40:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D4C40410 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:40:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FCB403C6 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:40:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.111] ([12.162.141.2]) by p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 5Age1m00D03JK1Y01Agfuy; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:40:40 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:40:34 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <51F2C0A1.9050408@lne.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] finding buried gate wiring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You are correct, it doesn't work. I tried this some years ago and even after I found the conduit, the receiver didn't pick up the signal on the wire. The toner I used was for finding networking wire in walls, it worked fine for that. There m,ay be some higher power units out there for buried wire, but I don't work in that field. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Eric Murray > On 07/26/2013 10:46 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >> You need a tone generator and receiver. Here is a middle of the road >> one... >> >> _http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Tone-cube-and-Probe-plus-Kit-VDV500-808/203015886#.UfK5cdK-pVM_ > I have one, I didn't think it'd work on buried wiring. > > The diving rods were a joke (although if they actually worked I'd use them). > > I don't think my metal detector has a discriminator but I could be > wrong, it's been a while. > > I did find an outfit that rents out wiring detectors which are designed > to work on buried wiring- > http://www.sprinklerwarehouse.com/Armada-Technologies-Wire-Valve-Locator-p/pro-700-rental.htm > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 19:55:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250864040F for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4259D40409 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id i4so8941512oah.38 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:53:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=XCy4nz2O/eE8J0V9f178tYont8vxoOeUFIEhy3z9Y8A=; b=e/UZKIaKeZ5Yt+rBrM4scH24FbVkg1m5CAiKEti9kIpW28qk5ACkjuqWLA3fOoAGI4 BEZ4qysbOrrStiMRNMbpLjlstGSNtx5S7/hkZTb5asZrXh61LomzmtyQ16MIbuLbo9ry mVXtjhIET9Xgiw9NK19PQfXc/eMkamCj+ow17Jz/ePe4Dq6tqTCzG1GNC/6CKu3WavVG m6HvsVgERuH7/VQT32sojem+/tyt0MYn0gCmei7xKvhYvZOKIFMvgXSvTRfK1PfzpEad DKArABSMsgL2fK3clLPAutJbh4vHs6Kw2AggxrwBPLhqCtaNmL1L8Z/PSHgVtvXgEazb JSUA== Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.227.138 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:53:50 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:53:50 -0400 From: Paul Parkanzky To: James Stone Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net We had Maaco paint a racecar of ours a number of years back. We did all the prep work and they shot paint. And boy did they shoot paint! They painted anything that wasn't masked, including the tops of the tires, any bit of glass that didn't get covered, etc. They also didn't do a very good job on the paint. It was fine for a racecar, but I wouldn't want their paint on a street car. If I needed a car finished on the cheap, I'd probably try something less conventional like plasti-dip (https://www.dipyourcar.com/home.php). -Paul On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:56 PM, James Stone wrote: > I have a 1996 Honda Accord that my mother bought new and gave to my > daughters > when they started driving. The car took them through high school and > college > and my wife and I now keep it around for when they are home or one of our > cars > is being serviced. It has 150,000 miles on it, but is sound mechanically > and > doesn't cost us much to keep. However, it looks like crap. It has its > share > of dings, but no rust or major damage. It was caught in a tornado and hail > storm at one point, but most - but not all - of the damage was repaired > when I > was able to loan the car to a local painless dent removal company to use > for > training new technicians. The worst problem is that it suffers from the > de-lamination that is typical of cars of this era, especially black ones. > My > wife would like to spend some money freshening it up and took it to Maaco > for > an estimate. They quoted her about $500 for a machine sanding and new > paint > job. I do not want to invest my own time in this car, but $600 isn't bad > to > give it a new lease on life, although that does not include filling in or > popping out any of the remaining hail damage. I have heard mixed reviews > of > Maaco in the past, but am not expecting a concours paint job. > > Does anyone here have any first hand experience with them? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 20:47:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7897340436 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E99A40409 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:47:13 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iJpteW+ywWaC9Wcro/Bc1rk7nIoZoG0xsVXlXUFsC6mzQyReNC7LR7asutDP9WL3; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.8.73] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1V2uX0-0003FK-Od; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:46:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:46:03 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Eric Murray References: <51F2B7A3.5090709@lne.com> Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] finding buried gate wiring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, Do you have a Dig Safe function in your state? Search "dig safe" with your state. See http://www.call811.com/ and select "State Specific Information" in the bottom center. Out in Southern California, it is a free service for utility lines. They have the equipment to trace lines. Most recently, we had a natural gas line leaking underground in the street. It is a plastic line with a single copper trace wire. They accurately marked it about 3' under an asphalt street. They came out the same day for the gas line. When I used them for a gutter drain pipe, they came the next day. I don't know if it will apply in your case, but it doesn't take much time to call. You will need to say you are digging when you talk to them - perhaps planting a new tree near where you thing the box should be. I'm surprised the electrician doesn't have the equipment to trace it. I've seen contractors do it multiple times. If you are in an area with building codes, you may also want to check if the signal wires can be in the same conduit as the AC wires (you didn't specify). Perhaps someone else on the list can comment here. I've always run them separate. Brian On 7/26/2013 10:53 AM, Eric Murray wrote: > I have an electric gate on my driveway about 700' from the house, > installed before I bought the house. There is a set of twisted pair > wiring from the phone box to the gate to remotely operate it. along > with 120v power and a couple signal wires. I need to locate all the > junction boxes along the path, and I can't find one. Or rather the > contractor who is going to replace the wiring can't find it. > > The wires are in plastic conduit buried about 1' down. The junction > boxes are "Christy" concrete boxes. > > I have a cheap metal detector. Would it be able to pick up the > wiring? Any other ideas for finding the missing box? Divining rods? > > I have not tried yet because I just thought about using the detector > last night and I injured my leg last week and don't want to walk more > than I have to. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 21:00:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C670340435 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:00:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94143403F5 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5EVv1m0020QkzPwA9F0XcM; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:00:31 +0000 Received: from sz0128.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5F0X1m0052xZMJ48NF0X12; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:00:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:00:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Ronald.Griffing@comcast.net To: James Stone (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) s=q20121106; t=1374894031; bh=Y9NwFaEkGH95CvlfNSlbl9zFXIRatYOSbR84iwyFIt0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=TILZnVVFShzeAGejjPpWryynleRpgk7Kvsr4QMHRnSz3eRkW8awNosrx7APLpwaM7 Ekf41KDvtNuvC8kCR77UeOGrar7Ea6u6Yq7Ffj0pHiDHDrlgW744RsLGrap3AKDU2g SoOYy2W10B2DgaPb8uOhIIGuxAtSq9fsc2hJR2E4af525+j5k1Xb0jGUwqYuVoSlTa m3AQwygUVQZOhPRcRJ2COm+wOLlSVw3S2uFQ4b+hnWac+d3mGI23rr7j1SWNuhvt+q 4doLA9a3BKNuM2llzqXsHVrNISoSyTHqB7XWZTClDVpJCRkLsvuk2K9qSK/q0lKLAh lvjj+MxNwMTqQ== Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net When they painted my caravan, they did remove the roof rack before the painted it. However, they only put back half of the mounting bolts. This caused several openings that leaked, ruining the headliner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stone" To: "Shop Talk" Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 11:56:07 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? I have a 1996 Honda Accord that my mother bought new and gave to my daughters when they started driving. The car took them through high school and college and my wife and I now keep it around for when they are home or one of our cars is being serviced. It has 150,000 miles on it, but is sound mechanically and doesn't cost us much to keep. However, it looks like crap. It has its share of dings, but no rust or major damage. It was caught in a tornado and hail storm at one point, but most - but not all - of the damage was repaired when I was able to loan the car to a local painless dent removal company to use for training new technicians. The worst problem is that it suffers from the de-lamination that is typical of cars of this era, especially black ones. My wife would like to spend some money freshening it up and took it to Maaco for an estimate. They quoted her about $500 for a machine sanding and new paint job. I do not want to invest my own time in this car, but $600 isn't bad to give it a new lease on life, although that does not include filling in or popping out any of the remaining hail damage. I have heard mixed reviews of Maaco in the past, but am not expecting a concours paint job. Does anyone here have any first hand experience with them? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 26 22:35:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF4740435 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC7A4040C for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:35:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5GYE1m0051GXsuc01GbDtE; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 04:35:13 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 5GbD1m0022xZMJ48UGbDYB; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 04:35:13 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 04:35:13 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: James Stone s=q20121106; t=1374899713; bh=il6zI+UQ7In3raDb5SYOTsSC8wwqNRp0LfANpHZb/6w=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=cGPPZT6IO7KCFomwRMmbk/7lU0P25zaRpJ+0cr388JKFFvloXfeyaKT4uMBimCU3F Nt9FgVy8hn5cJLYcb/tZhJRfLqi9Qp177Imk10vvt7+QsoYkqStWxyvOSDlhV+Rh0N t1RUZcy607j9rm7r3hf6IlID/0lZgDVTNpfNjyCHDsE183tlaVtZk+fbaLKX9LiB9Q YlpC/MXeqe1QebcWp3cO2pKCIPVcxX/RaeaSFwsTVikSZba10DASkoei2auY4FiUH8 o5Qap4xya4dONTMqAd+6fgw1gnljq+WMngELi/zraBMAMcb/iozyKf/gqQHVL/28cJ ptFtXJGZ2JZ4w== Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Leave the hail-holes and paint it white. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Stone" > To: "Shop Talk" > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 1:56:07 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? > I have a 1996 Honda Accord that my mother bought new and gave to my > daughters > when they started driving. The car took them through high school and > college > and my wife and I now keep it around for when they are home or one of > our cars > is being serviced. It has 150,000 miles on it, but is sound > mechanically and > doesn't cost us much to keep. However, it looks like crap. It has its > share > of dings, but no rust or major damage. It was caught in a tornado and > hail > storm at one point, but most - but not all - of the damage was > repaired when I > was able to loan the car to a local painless dent removal company to > use for > training new technicians. The worst problem is that it suffers from > the > de-lamination that is typical of cars of this era, especially black > ones. My > wife would like to spend some money freshening it up and took it to > Maaco for > an estimate. They quoted her about $500 for a machine sanding and new > paint > job. I do not want to invest my own time in this car, but $600 isn't > bad to > give it a new lease on life, although that does not include filling in > or > popping out any of the remaining hail damage. I have heard mixed > reviews of > Maaco in the past, but am not expecting a concours paint job. > > Does anyone here have any first hand experience with them? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pethier@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 27 07:09:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DBC40439 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 07:09:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s27.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s27.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B736A403C6 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 07:07:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP306 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:07:48 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.77] ([99.26.130.145]) by BLU0-SMTP306.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:07:46 -0700 From: James Stone Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 08:07:43 -0500 References: To: Paul Parkanzky FILETIME=[49808770:01CE8ACA] Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. About what I expected, but good to have the confirmation. And, thanks Paul for the link to the Plasti-dip site. I doubt that is the right thing for our Accord, but it was a very interesting site. I had no idea it was being used that way! On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:53 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: > We had Maaco paint a racecar of ours a number of years back. We did all the prep work and they shot paint. And boy did they shoot paint! They painted anything that wasn't masked, including the tops of the tires, any bit of glass that didn't get covered, etc. > > They also didn't do a very good job on the paint. It was fine for a racecar, but I wouldn't want their paint on a street car. If I needed a car finished on the cheap, I'd probably try something less conventional like plasti-dip (https://www.dipyourcar.com/home.php). > > -Paul > > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:56 PM, James Stone wrote: > I have a 1996 Honda Accord that my mother bought new and gave to my daughters > when they started driving. The car took them through high school and college > and my wife and I now keep it around for when they are home or one of our cars > is being serviced. It has 150,000 miles on it, but is sound mechanically and > doesn't cost us much to keep. However, it looks like crap. It has its share > of dings, but no rust or major damage. It was caught in a tornado and hail > storm at one point, but most - but not all - of the damage was repaired when I > was able to loan the car to a local painless dent removal company to use for > training new technicians. The worst problem is that it suffers from the > de-lamination that is typical of cars of this era, especially black ones. My > wife would like to spend some money freshening it up and took it to Maaco for > an estimate. They quoted her about $500 for a machine sanding and new paint > job. I do not want to invest my own time in this car, but $600 isn't bad to > give it a new lease on life, although that does not include filling in or > popping out any of the remaining hail damage. I have heard mixed reviews of > Maaco in the past, but am not expecting a concours paint job. > > Does anyone here have any first hand experience with them? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 27 08:57:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E89340430 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 08:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 971494040C for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 08:54:54 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1374936893; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=IsVsh0Dm+k9QKRWld2urfUPdFdsWeaSVCx4APS2POQx8p3/zsW5Kjkd+bXCvX8/Cw HtieWmBIbIbuNHRXi9uIKK6tuvpKC4EA5st2ANe/kwfwKP+dWCbhTf//88iBVaGWau uEkPahZMTsJzNesi9IncTNKCRKK+teaVyvwiTMV8= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail10.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.150]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ9HZ3ZAE8FK7J for (sender ); Sat, 27 Jul 2013 07:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail10.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:53:13 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:53:13 GMT Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just a couple of years ago my 97 Dodge 3500 Triumph support truck was looking pretty tired.The graphics on the sides were crazed & peeling, the paint had failed on the roof, etc.Maaco quoted me $800 and several other budget shops were in the same ballpark. I went with a local Econo Paint and they did a great job in white enamel for $350.Thinking back, that was really surprising considering how large that vehicle is. So bottom line, paint and labor can be expensive. Environmental regulations can add cost & complexity.But if the shop gets the car clean & smooth a decent paint job doesn't have to cost a grand. (or more).I also think that an owner that removes his own trim, lights, etc even if only a few items serves notice to the shop that he/she is interested in a good job and that may warrant that little bit of extra attention. Of course the wall targeted $20 can work wonders too! Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: James Stone To: Paul Parkanzky Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 08:07:43 -0500 Thanks guys. About what I expected, but good to have the confirmation. And, thanks Paul for the link to the Plasti-dip site. I doubt that is the right thing for our Accord, but it was a very interesting site. I had no idea it was being used that way! On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:53 PM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: > We had Maaco paint a racecar of ours a number of years back. We did all the prep work and they shot paint. And boy did they shoot paint! They painted anything that wasn't masked, including the tops of the tires, any bit of glass that didn't get covered, etc. > > They also didn't do a very good job on the paint. It was fine for a racecar, but I wouldn't want their paint on a street car. If I needed a car finished on the cheap, I'd probably try something less conventional like plasti-dip (https://www.dipyourcar.com/home.php). > > -Paul > > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:56 PM, James Stone wrote: > I have a 1996 Honda Accord that my mother bought new and gave to my daughters > when they started driving. The car took them through high school and college > and my wife and I now keep it around for when they are home or one of our cars > is being serviced. It has 150,000 miles on it, but is sound mechanically and > doesn't cost us much to keep. However, it looks like crap. It has its share > of dings, but no rust or major damage. It was caught in a tornado and hail > storm at one point, but most - but not all - of the damage was repaired when I > was able to loan the car to a local painless dent removal company to use for > training new technicians. The worst problem is that it suffers from the > de-lamination that is typical of cars of this era, especially black ones. My > wife would like to spend some money freshening it up and took it to Maaco for > an estimate. They quoted her about $500 for a machine sanding and new paint > job. I do not want to invest my own time in this car, but $600 isn't bad to > give it a new lease on life, although that does not include filling in or > popping out any of the remaining hail damage. I have heard mixed reviews of > Maaco in the past, but am not expecting a concours paint job. > > Does anyone here have any first hand experience with them? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkanzky@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mbarre@juno.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 27 15:06:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4400140439 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:06:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD6240411 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-200-206.morrisbb.com [173.246.200.206] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6RL11a8083369 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 17:01:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 17:00:57 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Shop Talk List References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Better get Maaco? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net >> We had Maaco paint a racecar of ours a number of years back. We did all the > prep work and they shot paint. And boy did they shoot paint! They painted I have heard for years "Maaco shoots great paint, they just don't prep for shit." Only example I've seen: a bro-in-law in Cincy,Oh had a white 88-ish RX7 daily driver he wanted sprayed ultra cheaply. He stripped ALL the trim off it, bondo'ed, sanded, masked, rattle can primered, etc. Took it to them. Mac: "It's a $150 job. You didn't have to do all that prep yourself." JB: "Yeah, well I did. Is $150 good for the best factory white you've got?" It was probably a "5 foot" or "10 foot" paint job but there were NO masking lines or overspray, since he'd yanked everything. Not show car or new car quality, but not obviously sprayed and better than a lot of weathered cars on the road. Exactly what he was expecting. You can probably stop by the shop any afternoon and look at the cars to be picked up. After it's dried a few days, the DIY car wash will take 70% off the trim and tires. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 27 21:43:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47AA44044D for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:43:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC2940421 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:38:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2013 03:38:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (filter03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.103]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F3517CCF; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 03:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by localhost (filter03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.103]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Eo-CkTXghVdU; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 03:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-151-216.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.151.216]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 128C417CD5; Sun, 28 Jul 2013 03:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 20:38:48 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Eric Murray References: <51F2C0A1.9050408@lne.com> Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] finding buried gate wiring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I rented the whole setup at a rental yard about 10 years ago when I had to do essentially the same job; I have a 900 foot driveway and the phone and power are in the same trench, and I wanted to locate the far end of it. I put the tone generator on the phone line shield and didn't have any trouble following the tone down the driveway. It was a setup designed for underground wires, not walls or other locations. On 7/26/2013 11:32 AM, Eric Murray wrote: > On 07/26/2013 10:46 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >> You need a tone generator and receiver. Here is a middle of the road >> one... >> >> _http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Tone-cube-and-Probe-plus-Kit-VDV500-808/203015886#.UfK5cdK-pVM_ > I have one, I didn't think it'd work on buried wiring. > > The diving rods were a joke (although if they actually worked I'd use them). > > I don't think my metal detector has a discriminator but I could be > wrong, it's been a while. > > I did find an outfit that rents out wiring detectors which are designed > to work on buried wiring- > http://www.sprinklerwarehouse.com/Armada-Technologies-Wire-Valve-Locator-p/pro-700-rental.htm > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 29 12:15:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0449740E1F for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:15:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.193.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42BB5425C4 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa09-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 6J3h1m00F4VKuxU01J3h4d; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:03:43 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:03:44 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Aerosol cleaner Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ibm looking for some locally available aerosol cleaner, to use as a final rinse to remove oily residue. Ibm attempting to seal an oil leak in a 100 year old aluminum crankcase. Final cleaning (after using brake cleaner aerosol) to get the area as clean as possible before using JB Weld to stop the weeping. Is there an aerosol product using acetone or MEK on the commonly available market? Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 29 14:44:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282B2403E2 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:44:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA1B403CF for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:44:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-200-206.morrisbb.com [173.246.200.206] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6TKiUmQ092480 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:44:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:44:27 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <9A10B5B1755240EFADBAFEC9B5E0E600@StevePC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Aerosol cleaner Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/29/2013 2:03 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: > Ibm looking for some locally available aerosol cleaner, > to use as a final rinse to remove oily residue. Ibm attempting > to seal an oil leak in a 100 year old aluminum crankcase. > Final cleaning (after using brake cleaner aerosol) to get the My favorite is Auto Zone's store brand brake cleaner. Don't know if AZ is out west though. Welding supply shops probably sell cans for use in a dye penetrant inspection kit. -w _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 29 16:55:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E696940566 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:55:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout003.mac.com [17.172.220.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CD74006F for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (75-175-77-234.ptld.qwest.net [75.175.77.234]) by st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MQP009J7ZN71E50@st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:54:49 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-07-29_05:2013-07-29,2013-07-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1307290110 From: Darrell Walker Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:54:43 -0700 To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Learning to weld on your own? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have some body repairs I'd like to do on my TR8, and I'm wondering about the feasibility of learning to weld well enough to do them on my own. I've checked the local community college, and the only welding classes they have are geared toward students preparing for a career in welding, they don't have any "Adult Ed" type classes. Of course, I could have a body shop do it, but the few that are willing to do this kind of work want to do the whole job at once, and not piecemeal (I also want a respray at some point). I have three different things to address: 1. The car came with a bump strip along the sides, which I didn't care for. It was attached with pop rivets, so I have a series of 1/8" holes along each side, from the front fender, across the door, and across the rear fender. I have access to the back of most of the holes, but not all. But I do think I can spray cavity wax everyplace. Right now the holes are covered with some silver 3M striping tape, which is pretty invisible beyond about 10 feet. But it would be nice to get a more permanent solution. 2. The car came with a luggage rack, which I also removed. That left eight holes from the sheet metal screws. These are a bit larger than the pop rivet holes, and of course distorted from the screws. Half of them have easy access to the back side, but the other half are hidden under the stiffening rails. Again, I could certainly get cavity wax in there. Right now I have some plain aluminum plates screwed over where the brackets go (the car is silver). 3. The last area is the rear panel. The car was hit in the back at some time, and wasn't repaired very well. It looks like they made no attempt to pull anything out, and just sculpted the area with Bondo. It actually doesn't look as bad as it sounds, except that the panel is pushed in about an inch. I think the best way to fix this would be to install a new panel, if I can get one. Also, some of the panels in the boot are crumpled, and those are available. These are all attached with spot welds. So, my questions: 1. Is it reasonable to think that I could teach myself to weld well enough to do these jobs? I definitely don't want to make anything worse in attempting fix anything. 2. What kind of equipment would be required? Would one of the inexpensive 110V welders be sufficient? Would a TIG matter over a flux wire-feed for these jobs? 3. How much paint should be removed around the repair holes? Thanks! -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 Vancouver, WA, USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 29 17:15:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7E840E1B for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0049.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11433403B9 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay02.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04C712BB8B for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:15:05 +0000 (UTC) RULES_HIT:355:379:599:854:973:988:989:1078:1187:1260:1261:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1777:1792:2194:2198:2199:2200:2393:2559:2562:2693:2828:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3354:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:4250:4552:5007:6639:7652:7903:7974:7993:8531:9108:10013:10400:10848:11658:11914:12050:12517:12519:13069:13137:13150:13161:13229:13230:13231:13311:13357, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk,SPF:fn,MSBL:0,DNSBL:none,Custom_rules:0:1:0 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (host216-187.lsdepts.ucsb.edu [128.111.216.187]) (Authenticated sender: mikey@rambour.com) by omf12.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:15:04 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:15:02 -0700 From: Mike Rambour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <8764C6EE-37C3-477F-BD7A-1D2B64CED13B@mac.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Learning to weld on your own? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Handy with your hands ? you can do it. I learned to weld with a oxy/acet torch and I find filling holes like you are talking about easier with that but can be done with MIG or TIG. The MIG is ideal for replacing body panels. For the holes it would be best if you can get some copper behind the hole just for welding purposes, that makes it pretty easy to fill holes. I actually went to the Lincoln school of welding when I got serious about car work, great way to spend a weeks vacation :) But the level of work you are talking around did not need that week of schooling. If you get a MIG, be warned my friends joked that I was using my MIG as a Plasma cutter because on thin metals I would create more holes then I was repairing. For me (and maybe me only) I find TIG much easier but I torch welded for 30+ years before I tried the MIG, most people don't have the trouble I had with MIG. I was able to pick up TIG in no time due to the my oxy/acet experience. I assume you meant MIG in your email, I would go with gas for any body work and avoid flux wire (just for clean up purposes, the weld is fine), if you meant TIG, that is the best in my opinion and yes it will do a better job then a MIG. But remember a MIG is measured in feet per minute and a TIG weld in inches per minute. They are both great tools, I think MIG is better suited for thin sheet metal work if you can do it right. But I go years without touching my MIG and use my TIG a few times a month. I did do a exhaust for the daughters boyfriend's car last month and since I was welding on my back with the car barely off the ground I appreciated the MIG but I would have done a better looking job with TIG. So PRACTICE PRACTICE and when you are ready to start the real work, PRACTICE one more time and then come back here and brag how great a job you did. Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 29 18:27:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B7E406A2 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D449403E7 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:26:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 19270 invoked by uid 3198); 30 Jul 2013 00:26:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Jul 2013 00:26:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:26:46 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: Darrell Walker References: <8764C6EE-37C3-477F-BD7A-1D2B64CED13B@mac.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Learning to weld on your own? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, 29 Jul 2013, Darrell Walker wrote: > 1. Is it reasonable to think that I could teach myself to weld well > enough to do these jobs? I definitely don't want to make anything > worse in attempting fix anything. Unless you are in a hurry, absolutely. Get a welder, and some scrap metal, and start practicing. Once you have the same problem consistently, go to weldingweb.com and ask for help. Until you are consistent, there's not much point. It just takes practice. I got a TIG a couple years ago, and taught myself. Sticking metal together is easy, I did that on the first day. Making it look professional is hard, I'm still working on that. > 2. What kind of equipment would be required? Would one of the inexpensive > 110V welders be sufficient? Would a TIG matter over a flux wire-feed for > these jobs? It sounds like you are exclusively welding thin material, in which case, a 110V machine will do that just fine. The operator is a far bigger variable than the machine. You can get around 150 amps from a 110v machine, and the rule of thumb is .001" steel thickness requires 1 amp. More for aluminum and stainless, which doesn't seem relevant here. As far as the process is concerned, I think everyone finds whatever they learned first to be the easiest. Stick guys can weld anything with a car battery and some jumper cables. Again, it's the Indian, not the arrow. I find TIG easier than anything else, but that's only because it is what I learned on, and what I practice. I hate MIG. Stick is fun, but tricky. Again, all personal preference. > 3. How much paint should be removed around the repair holes? I would say a couple inches. You aren't going to be putting all that much heat into it, just to patch a couple small holes, and you have to watch the heat to avoid warping the material. When you practice, note how far the Heat-Affected Zone ( HAZ ) spreads. Take off more paint than that. Have fun. Be aware that once you learn to weld, nothing is ever truly broken again. It's just a question of whether you have the time and desire to fix it ;) -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 29 19:02:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8492740687 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:02:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA6E4055B for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:02:37 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FCsRznLdjJDpRJ/OFZSel3aI6aCCMUwewxJum4zf/VyE16cTD4i6MdfHuzZ301Np; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.8.73] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1V3yKi-0005A6-Gt; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:02:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:01:49 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Darrell Walker References: <8764C6EE-37C3-477F-BD7A-1D2B64CED13B@mac.com> Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Learning to weld on your own? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Darrell - I'm not a good welder, so can't offer technical details about the different types of equipment, but I do have some other suggestions. Some of this depends on your intentions for the car. - Look for a local welder and get a quote for the welding work. I did this to repair my cracked TR6 differential mounts and some frame cracking. I did the prep on my schedule by cleaning down to bare metal and having the reinforcing brackets ready. The car was up on jack stands and the differential and suspension parts were out of the way. I did not have a welder or the power to run one in that apartment's garage. The guy came out with a small welder and generator and charged me $60 for the job (a 1 hour minimum). He finished it in about 30 minutes and gave me a 30 minute credit for any work I brought to his shop. Even if I could weld, lying on your back and welding above you doesn't sound like fun. This was a 1995 price in the Los Angeles area. Well worth the expense. - When I rebuilt my TR6 engine, I also painted the engine compartment. I went down to bare metal and discovered several places where screw holes were filled with Bondo. They were at least a decade old and I didn't have any idea they were there. One side was painted and the other side was undercoated. If the car is a driver, consider just filling the holes with Bondo. You will have to knock down the raised areas where the screws were. This could be an option for the trim and luggage rack holes. - For the rear panel, better Bondo may also be an option. Clean up the old bad job then see about popping out the dent. If you have access to both sides, you could get a Harbor Freight 7 Piece Body and Fender Set - item#31277, on sale for $29.99. With a little time, you can get much closer and just have a thin layer of Bondo. I did this with my Subaru door after a neighbor backed into it and you couldn't tell after I painted. A body shop wanted $740 for a job I did in a weekend plus two evenings. - For removing old Bondo (outside), I used my angle grinder and a couple wire brushes. I did most of the work with a cupped brush, but also had a disk and small ones in a drill. Wear eye protection and at least a dusk mask if not a respirator. You get down to nice clean metal that takes new Bondo and paint very well. - If you do want to get into welding, check with a local welding supply company. They may offer some sort of training program, especially with an equipment purchase. Being a novice and not used to the equipment, you are also likely to need their assistance at some point - something you are not likely to get if you buy the equipment at a home center. They will probably also help set it up and make recommendations for settings. - Finally, if you weld, pick up some trash body panels and practice welding before you get near your TR8. Also keep a fire extinguisher handy just in case. Brian On 7/29/2013 3:54 PM, Darrell Walker wrote: > I have some body repairs I'd like to do on my TR8, and I'm wondering about the > feasibility of learning to weld well enough to do them on my own. I've > checked the local community college, and the only welding classes they have > are geared toward students preparing for a career in welding, they don't have > any "Adult Ed" type classes. Of course, I could have a body shop do it, but > the few that are willing to do this kind of work want to do the whole job at > once, and not piecemeal (I also want a respray at some point). > > I have three different things to address: > > > -- > Darrell Walker > 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L > 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 > Vancouver, WA, USA > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 29 20:44:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D461B406AE for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:44:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB224403B9 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([12.162.141.2]) by m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id 6Sex1m00R03JK1Y01Sezyt; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:39:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:38:48 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Rust belt truck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Living in Texas and growing up on the west coast I am not very familiar with the affects of rust on vehicles. I have been offered a 2000 Chevy extended cab, 4x4 pickup, 110,000 miles w/leather interior that looks good for its age for $5000. The problem is that both rocker panels are in need of replacement and about 25% of the paint on the frame has been replaced with surface rust. The rocker panels are not a big deal, but I am concerned about the frame rust. Is this something that a rust converter and paint will take care of, or should I pass on this vehicle? Other than the rust it looks to be very clean, and everything works on it! Thanks in advance. Peace, Pat _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 29 21:02:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC67440E1A for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121D540358 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:02:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id kw10so2685646vcb.15 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:02:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FH9Jx3qKEXrW1vEgorMEftf5G1L9c1OXOCTttCcTJxI=; b=CLZK7lqjVY80WBhKb9xVclvImWZz0oJHQvfrOZBY9Zvs0ZYrazzkO0Gl26S0sBdask q393CrbI+GIQzqDH2fCqn3N3o8Qsr4PnL9r0XI4FYl1YmJ3IgmzC4xXYHU+quJj8UuaZ xce06/ilP9E6DLOASxXEqsSEVM/VG/M/HtVH9sj1ehjiBSzRwt/wkL4mE9v4bqB2GMVE oqlEvUcep0mbClC8pXhaWecs931Q2NOefyhHjWsQ0hTkU331dgPDcOrc6xZO+R7iSa/l LAaUcHVT7nSFaHetAQQ8m+d8ikEWVWTibCk4OFcXC/TXRwjP5HKighbadSKX7x2PPfny MOgg== wu2mr26800450vec.74.1375153340658; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.178.1 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:02:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <51F72738.3090901@hornesystemstx.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:02:20 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Pat Horne Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rust belt truck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm going to state what I suspect is running through your mind. It depnds on how much and how far the rust has penitrated the rails, if it has. Like you said, you can pretty much build a new/old truck from catalogs, if you care to write the check. If you decide to do ithe truck, I'd plan a frame off to clean up and paint, maybe powder coat, the frame. You'll probably pull the body to work on it anyway. You might figure out what you think it'll cost you to buy and fix up the truck, add 15%, then see what you can buy now for that amount. That's not icluding your time, of course. Then again, maybe you're already looking at it as a project. FWIW, Ron On Monday, July 29, 2013, Pat Horne wrote: > Living in Texas and growing up on the west coast I am not very familiar > with the affects of rust on vehicles. > > > I have been offered a 2000 Chevy extended cab, 4x4 pickup, 110,000 miles > w/leather interior that looks good for its age for $5000. The problem is > that both rocker panels are in need of replacement and about 25% of the > paint on the frame has been replaced with surface rust. The rocker panels > are not a big deal, but I am concerned about the frame rust. Is this > something that a rust converter and paint will take care of, or should I > pass on this vehicle? Other than the rust it looks to be very clean, and > everything works on it! > > Thanks in advance. > > Peace, > Pat > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@**gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 30 06:20:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87D040E16 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:20:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f176.google.com (mail-pd0-f176.google.com [209.85.192.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20C540079 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f176.google.com with SMTP id q10so3502960pdj.35 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 05:20:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xs0JYQv2EeZvAQ6rorkuaczhrWr7Eau6KN5EJVJXK3U=; b=PolCNtLuLP7w1+iE3e8/V4L9U1mZHVH0ln4j6VL1s08cy97piKFtJILZAVR/GZbZ+q qOWgFeqvez/Aqa5mvq8u8iIMb8pqAIy/5fLucneL3G1TcM9LiRfZOO2VdWLe/+mVdjIo U6MSWLKy855HWb+R+vhTA84Gd2bFnYQ2akunYZ52MwN0u9p9C9xzYKZDU79o6meOnccL 6R2FaW22dfqBDuY8OytMhyDRDpH8zMagxgG5ibBYhGZYYEBLiga4EeUSMJD5zCXLq86w v3ixyIReWs47POYp4l+15+WPithuJC0upcrS5nGQKhtp97Rw9OlHPuYlGSnvT5wiRfUK yHDg== ad3mr74415520pbd.63.1375186829473; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 05:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.72.194 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 05:20:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <51F72738.3090901@hornesystemstx.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 07:20:29 -0500 From: John Innis To: Pat Horne Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rust belt truck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The frame rust is generally not a big deal, especially if the truck is being moved out of the corrosive environment. There are some places where the rust is going to be a pain in the rear when you go to work on the truck, as fasteners will be rusty, difficult to remove, and need to be replaced instead of reused. I have an '88 Chevy pickup with a fair amount of frame rust that has been a midwest plow truck all it's life and I have no major issues with it. I also have a '95 Suburban that has 240k on it, all in Iowa, all in snow ice and salt. The only issue I had on the Suburban was the hard fuel lines at the tank rusting out, and that didn't happen till last year at 220k. You do need to be more careful of trucks that have been wrecked and are rusty, as these may have hidden frame damage. If that truck were offered to me today, I'd take it. It is a good price for that year and mileage if it is all in working order. On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > Living in Texas and growing up on the west coast I am not very familiar > with the affects of rust on vehicles. > > > I have been offered a 2000 Chevy extended cab, 4x4 pickup, 110,000 miles > w/leather interior that looks good for its age for $5000. The problem is > that both rocker panels are in need of replacement and about 25% of the > paint on the frame has been replaced with surface rust. The rocker panels > are not a big deal, but I am concerned about the frame rust. Is this > something that a rust converter and paint will take care of, or should I > pass on this vehicle? Other than the rust it looks to be very clean, and > everything works on it! > > Thanks in advance. > > Peace, > Pat > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/jdinnis@**gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 30 08:46:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F57340E1D for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:46:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ibis.arvixe.com (ibis.arvixe.com [50.97.138.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CE340404 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c-98-212-107-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([98.212.107.177]:60247 helo=[192.168.1.107]) by ibis.arvixe.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V4B8f-00066n-Pg for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 07:43:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:43:01 -0500 From: Matt Wehland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <51F72738.3090901@hornesystemstx.com> with any abuse report paulyd@pennyantepub.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rust belt truck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It's not the frame rust that will be a problem, it's everything else that is rusted. Brake lines, fuel lines, every fastener, bolt, fitting. I live in Northern IL and have had salted vehicles my whole life. I'm in the process of replacing all the rusted out brake lines on my mustang is right now. The fuel lines will be next. The body is in good shape, but everything underneath is rusted. Penetrating oil will be your friend, spray early, spray often. I like to start spraying fasteners long before starting to work on the parts, if I have the chance. The nicest vehicle I had to work on was was a Suburban from texas that hadn't seen salt. It was so nice to just put a wrench to things and have them come apart. Quickest repair jobs I ever did, an I finished with a smile on my face. Just something else to keep in mind. Matt -- Matt Wehland (815) 295-4533 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 30 09:06:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FAB42706 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f178.google.com (mail-ve0-f178.google.com [209.85.128.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA8740404 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f178.google.com with SMTP id ox1so3460496veb.23 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:05:55 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=8NZ378GAQEW/28MXuXn08K/0ekfUq+5GC1giOH8uzRk=; b=pW+CdZCGQMrjhAYpH5RQGFnVwMhGxqdUEovzlBn2HebJNA1OZ7sKWZzxAymeu8D0Mq bFueGLy954YK///y4OuXkx7+Borxrr8lrSYGJL5m2KWoUKv1WQkntm7+JfWHhsH/7dsZ PUb98QF7IVv5e1/PF+2U5dMg1Vrqkhv9PUmN588SZzL55XJwpkFL7tFU9wKns0ycEidl Xyb1/pXlgiSrmiCqNIF9zrrmvxOoMQd2ZTNQPtdRK9PeEdq4lfP4FYwhP5rPIok2J6RM orYZFLfCdzbF55SqOqhoQ6iJ7dGFJqM2+riQTA3clvV4ZZLPX244ozRS1vqSYJf6Hmzm Owrw== my7mr27326061vec.54.1375196755266; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.215.165 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:05:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <51F72738.3090901@hornesystemstx.com> <51F7D0F5.90605@littlegrassy.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:05:55 -0400 From: Mark Andy To: Matt Wehland Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rust belt truck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, This has been my experience as well. For me, dealing with significant rust is something that I don't care to do. It would need to be a _heck_ of a deal on a rusty vehicle that needed work to make we want to deal with it. Mark On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Matt Wehland wrote: > It's not the frame rust that will be a problem, it's everything else that > is rusted. > Brake lines, fuel lines, every fastener, bolt, fitting. > I live in Northern IL and have had salted vehicles my whole life. > I'm in the process of replacing all the rusted out brake lines on my > mustang is right now. > The fuel lines will be next. > The body is in good shape, but everything underneath is rusted. > > Penetrating oil will be your friend, spray early, spray often. I like to > start spraying fasteners long before starting to work on the parts, if I > have the chance. > > The nicest vehicle I had to work on was was a Suburban from texas that > hadn't seen salt. It was so nice to just put a wrench to things and have > them come apart. > Quickest repair jobs I ever did, an I finished with a smile on my face. > > Just something else to keep in mind. > Matt > > > > -- > Matt Wehland > (815) 295-4533 > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/marka@**maracing.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 30 11:06:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20AE42705 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:06:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s10.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s10.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B96406AE for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:02:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL402-EAS125 ([65.55.34.73]) by col0-omc2-s10.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:02:06 -0700 References: <51F72738.3090901@hornesystemstx.com> <51F7D0F5.90605@littlegrassy.com> From: Jim Stone Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:58:34 -0500 To: Shop Talk FILETIME=[85360460:01CE8D46] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rust belt truck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The thing that would concern me is the amount of rust on a 2000 vehicle. Cars and trucks rust so much less since the introduction of galvanized sheet metal, which was well before 2000. I haven't seen rusted rocket panels on a 13 year old vehicle in a long time. It makes me wonder what kind if abuse this truck has seen. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2013, at 10:06 AM, "Mark Andy" wrote: > Howdy, > > This has been my experience as well. > > For me, dealing with significant rust is something that I don't care to do. > It would need to be a _heck_ of a deal on a rusty vehicle that needed work > to make we want to deal with it. > > Mark > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Matt Wehland wrote: > >> It's not the frame rust that will be a problem, it's everything else that >> is rusted. >> Brake lines, fuel lines, every fastener, bolt, fitting. >> I live in Northern IL and have had salted vehicles my whole life. >> I'm in the process of replacing all the rusted out brake lines on my >> mustang is right now. >> The fuel lines will be next. >> The body is in good shape, but everything underneath is rusted. >> >> Penetrating oil will be your friend, spray early, spray often. I like to >> start spraying fasteners long before starting to work on the parts, if I >> have the chance. >> >> The nicest vehicle I had to work on was was a Suburban from texas that >> hadn't seen salt. It was so nice to just put a wrench to things and have >> them come apart. >> Quickest repair jobs I ever did, an I finished with a smile on my face. >> >> Just something else to keep in mind. >> Matt >> >> >> >> -- >> Matt Wehland >> (815) 295-4533 >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/shop-talk/marka@**maracing.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 30 20:04:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4C442710 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 20:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820E1403DD for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 20:01:22 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=uAeuFTd86UQA:10 a=n-kJSqksAAAA:8 a=xnXfP7Yz3r1Dha7Ygq8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=98jSFH7WqmUA:10 a=Ijz6OIa3WzGMcc6-:21 a=jamgYimpchOVaj_x:21 a=6A/OvQor+YwyjOO4FWhaEA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.161] ([10.127.132.161:33449] helo=cdptpa-web10-z02) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id DC/EA-15971-EEF68F15; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 02:01:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 2:01:18 +0000 From: Randall To: Shop Talk List , Darrell Walker Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Learning to weld on your own? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Darrell Walker wrote: > I have some body repairs I'd like to do on my TR8, and I'm wondering about the > feasibility of learning to weld well enough to do them on my own. I've > checked the local community college, and the only welding classes they have > are geared toward students preparing for a career in welding, they don't have > any "Adult Ed" type classes. So? They still teach you to weld, and surely you can manage to tolerate standing next to some pimply faced kid. A friend of mine recently took some welding classes at our local community college, and he was very pleased. I keep planning to take some myself, but there never seems to be enough time. (I actually kind of envy him getting laid off.) You might also try a vocational college, they get a lot of displaced workers looking for a new trade so you should fit right in. > 1. Is it reasonable to think that I could teach myself to weld well enough to > do these jobs? I definitely don't want to make anything worse in attempting > fix anything. I have dabbled some with teaching myself. I believe it can be done, but you're talking about a lot of time and a lot of practice even after obtaining and reading some textbooks on the subject. Run a bead, compare it to the book. Repeat until you can consistently match the book. Now cut it apart for inspection, adjust your technique for penetration, etc. and do it all again. Now repeat the process, using metal and joints similar to what you want to do on the car. Might want to visit the local junkyard for some car parts to cut apart (or drill) and weld back together. Also poke around on YouTube; there are all sorts of "how to" videos. > 2. What kind of equipment would be required? Would one of the inexpensive > 110V welders be sufficient? IMHO, although you might get away with 110v, you'll want one a better quality machine. Those cheapies at HF are just junk. Look for something with a contactor (so the torch is not electrically hot when the button isn't pressed) and the more current/voltage settings the better. A good welder can adjust movement to match the machine, but I'm not that good. > Would a TIG matter over a flux wire-feed for > these jobs? Flux core makes an awful mess; IMO you shouldn't even consider it. MIG is probably the best choice for sheet metal on a budget. TIG is great, but the price of admission is significantly higher. Another method that might be worth looking into (although it's much less popular) is torch brazing. It's slower and more expensive, but IMO you are less likely to ruin your original sheet metal (since it doesn't get melted at all). I don't claim to be good at it, but I can braze much better than I can stick weld. And you can get started with just a MAPP gas torch and some rod. > 3. How much paint should be removed around the repair holes? You'll need several inches, at least. Remember the metal is heated to melting point where you are welding, so it's going to ruin the paint even outside the "heat affected zone". --- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 31 09:08:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F37C40414 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:08:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E11140408 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:03:59 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=eGw6W_gGmmoA:10 a=W8gHil8rZqRWjEPszxsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xZu24Wf3uBMA:10 a=isFs4QT5QxcA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 99/8E-14128-E5729F15; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:03:58 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:04:05 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac6Mh5d3JBPWNXGUS/aoBQIZynQ1DwBdrYJg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Aerosol cleaner Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Is there an aerosol product using acetone or MEK on > the commonly available market? I don't know of one. But liquid acetone and/or MEK should be available at your local hardware store, and Amazon sells a refillable aerosol can. (HF used to have them too, but I don't see them on the web site now.) -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 31 10:26:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DF240418 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:26:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25044003F for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 74SV1m00S4VKuxU014SWz3; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:26:31 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Randall" , "'Shop Talk'" References: <99.8E.14128.E5729F15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:26:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Aerosol cleaner Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Good idea! I have a friend that works for a company that has those refillable, air-chargable spot solvent bottles. Ibve contacted him and hebs got an extra one for me! Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: Randall Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:04 AM To: 'Shop Talk' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Aerosol cleaner > Is there an aerosol product using acetone or MEK on > the commonly available market? I don't know of one. But liquid acetone and/or MEK should be available at your local hardware store, and Amazon sells a refillable aerosol can. (HF used to have them too, but I don't see them on the web site now.) -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3209/6531 - Release Date: 07/29/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 31 12:17:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5596740424 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:17:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from imap.usermail.com (imap.usermail.com [205.234.18.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203F040400 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:17:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.usermail.com (imap.usermail.com [127.0.0.1]) by imap.usermail.com (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id r6VHxNwU031183; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:59:23 -0600 Received: from 98.101.145.216 (SquirrelMail authenticated user paul.mele) by webmail.usermail.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:59:23 -0400 (EDT) References: <51F72738.3090901@hornesystemstx.com> <51F7D0F5.90605@littlegrassy.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:59:23 -0400 (EDT) From: paul.mele@usermail.com To: "Jim Stone" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6-rc1 Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rust belt truck? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I grew up in the rust belt; learned how to weld and fix (better said...postpone) rust problems in a local body shop. Made me decide to live in a non-rust area for the rest of my life, so I could play with old cars without the rust issues. restated, a 1964 Ferrari GTO or other uncommon car is worth de-rusting along the way to making it "good" again. a common/ easily available car, rust free, is worth any "extra" price. example: My wife and I flew out to Dallas, TX to buy a rust-free-life 2000 BMW M roadster; drove it home. a month later, drove back out with my truck and trailer to pick up a 98 Roadster (minus engine) and towed it home... as a project for me. A common practice among friends in the mid-west who live higher up... go to TX and bring it home. Just my opinion.... but another vote to pass on rust-belt common cars. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 31 14:45:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4853E42720 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:45:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BB940408 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:38:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id xn12so2281427obc.20 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:38:51 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=DUs6OMvWigjQqBmBySFu25e6+WCap0u8GTgXEZTiFS0=; b=mHDIoxUoU3pTF+BT8TucHZukdvj7ilZwblODaTqFnzcvZ2tcVLAj0V5n0EJBTZ8L8a /8SB3G6iF5cZxx3Wuqx580xcPJ4f1DOlbo9kxBdMqqJJP7zCxcMCPBVxRY9gSznicaaq oCS0ND1SxJNfjbaE83X4zf6pKG0WiM1Lu20wr/7Oey+RKLmaZDflWNAlgfi0J5PjCNca LzdiW+qhXsd1Hydgf1sbtFJ+jn5SCFyErNbshusk3NVRgltIvit9nnVBokCtLXBp1ETX OnuxciPZpXHVC90UxE8dp4k0JR3/Jjitv4N3/BMdkZTvEU94DcN9cByy0smCPrlHsYiw pnyQ== nl10mr61104660obb.41.1375303131258; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.149.67 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:38:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <99.8E.14128.E5729F15@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:38:51 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Aerosol cleaner Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Most of those refillable plastic pump-spray bottles should work with most solvents. The are made from polythene, which acetone will not attack. I once saw some paint stripper for sale which came with one of those spray bottles. Doug On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA < gsteve@hammatt.com> wrote: > Good idea! > I have a friend that works for a company that > has those refillable, air-chargable spot solvent > bottles. Ib ve contacted him and heb s got an extra one > for me! > > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > > From: Randall > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:04 AM > To: 'Shop Talk' > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Aerosol cleaner > > > Is there an aerosol product using acetone or MEK on > > the commonly available market? > > I don't know of one. But liquid acetone and/or MEK should be available at > your local hardware store, and Amazon sells a refillable aerosol can. (HF > used to have them too, but I don't see them on the web site now.) > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3209/6531 - Release Date: 07/29/13 > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive