From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 1 07:35:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA0742A11 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 07:35:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C5242A0A for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 07:29:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r51DPVGw010868; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 13:25:33 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Frank Vantacich" , "Shop Talk" References: <1370058315.92733.YahooMailRC@web184902.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 09:24:50 -0400 a=gTtuKIY9cGcA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=-emHNGwBxm65bU1AXVkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] rigid insulation board Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I believe the expectation is the insulation will be covered with a fire-proof material ("drywall"). I doubt there is an effective paint you could apply. Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [Shop-talk] rigid insulation board >I need to insulate the ceiling in my barn, 18'x30', and am thinking of >using 2" > rigid insulation board or otherwise called polystyrene. One side has a > reflective foil on it and the other has some kind of a plastic wrap on it > and > it is this side that I would like to paint white to cover up the blue > printing. > Is this feasible and does any one recommend a particular paint. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 1 08:58:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB8242A0E for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 08:58:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 98D024276B for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 08:57:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 17398 invoked by uid 3198); 1 Jun 2013 14:53:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Jun 2013 14:53:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 10:53:30 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: Frank Vantacich References: <1370058315.92733.YahooMailRC@web184902.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] rigid insulation board Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, 31 May 2013, Frank Vantacich wrote: > I need to insulate the ceiling in my barn, 18'x30', and am thinking of using 2" > rigid insulation board or otherwise called polystyrene. One side has a > reflective foil on it and the other has some kind of a plastic wrap on it and > it is this side that I would like to paint white to cover up the blue printing. > Is this feasible and does any one recommend a particular paint. Why not just put the reflective side facing down, and leave it be? That's what my father-in-law and I did ( two garages ). Looks fine for a garage ceiling, and even helps with lighting a little. Throw some aluminum tape on the seams and call it done. Painting it sounds like a right bitch, to be honest. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 1 16:06:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C0C428DF for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 16:06:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880984287B for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 16:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id j9ov1l0011eYJf8AE9vyVF; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:55:58 +0000 Received: from Mike ([98.232.69.122]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id j9vx1l00M2eHDqS019vyKg; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:55:58 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 14:55:33 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1370123758; bh=CllsXmLKzWPuvPUY+P22W8QVFxSi/PkIfQ5oTMkE6h0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=fPCUAR/RldW4aAEWCCSX86OA2PAIuhIRS68gu8ljlHu13wz7jpb1WthIujsNQApzQ wf+mqnP1S90tXDXiGaVFuSdIFkctZOcYMfC6LNF1n/41UkJH6WqDkPpa6mgN/IOY2h VfMD6+EfHagQnCYrkMqS3qq8n3cqhhqK4TEVlQjgZxJvzhwrEwGkDepnZJYcsjR+Uq Gfl4NE9C+qALDAeexLLiXPkxyAvCatsH74wdK1svWpukbMh/auz5nh/8HYCwKjeAXF mXeu+lyYUg1a3rbtWn8KilH6o0NqWiPeE4vQl3E65PK3wJ0ne93hhRW/EFCl+uZgDq 68oZ3iaJksO0w== Subject: [Shop-talk] dead battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all who offered suggestions on my troubles with a very old battery. Tried everything, and final result was that it was deceased, as in doornail. Had to break down and buy a new one. It's only money! Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 1 16:54:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AA34291F for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 16:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.136]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90FB428DF for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2013 16:51:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 22:47:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.68] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 22:47:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 22:47:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 95940 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2013 22:47:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370126853; bh=zvbFzxXbqtszTfhWwPd0UgCOhogE0NeKLaItj0SvhGg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cxyFIzgWwWJvH4gcwKmd1dMHSyWwvjM9vwXIY4x1ib6HIaqUdtyZmn57Qjz0CoRCkRCki6rKZcy2zX8AiKuGGE18DOK0QWdrps5AOykoM5fdSovkvwY/a0ZyFI8/U+m+RHhNClIuVpBWM+ltm8jey4MovrnAVggPnSTgu08Yts8= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TBc+KLNIBGUmjkUg9LryYneuNq/Z+DH8t6mvCxdYwaUJv3lWV1GcE6gG3SPaDhK89hcVZSJXxRfgqCo1eqqTTgGqLruSVHADmQwj1QWdqyslVmp38Vtx44nSaxlWmTPG0gJuFL0HGAB286MKEzHjGCNHahgT+5ufvao2BWlI/Ns=; GTUnmxbg4mn76YtB_D9.DscVdiKBni2xNCPRyfIvqhKTR9l7gcLkQChBgN._ kKI4FK2k8M6mZHyYUGrAEpHJ1jxJKdLXnRMPA3XQeL6U0Mf10V7GTekPZ4Zx GmhCjKiQ3uakuky5rga5J7l32rqGNWY.ouhqghUThEumVwLxheKT0Xz9yaSc XaLc09qlwFOp4o48dGqOjZ1dmah4RiYgu0maEK3zQwueHhESTItqDwnE.nUj zfZV6udJDQ776olkRgXvrjMNSZSA3gvAiLHTDwSEQqFNmJsMlHONrVDph6do ku4gnUI8_OX.81FcE6IpGNDPYM5o7.dTYKgVz3H.B3SGtrioW1JTKQp2DxSk oZE0BmLfpjG8ThJS9Avt6QQaEgth03bK5asJ87S1SqmvL0dz6EMsiVpbNpiU 0nGze_W6NrppAaOWdH746u_.WlksydyKZhk6Dr8NV3e7Fz44u2aRU_jcZpZe 6DYOBer_M.c5zbkprJquQb331CUSq4HJYi6KDqbN2XnAlV8SUnyGAv3VIw3T t Received: from [69.108.2.212] by web184903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Jun 2013 15:47:32 PDT RGF2aWQgeW91IG1pZ2h0IGJlIG9uIHRvIHNvbWV0aGluZywgdGhhdCBzdXJlIHdvdWxkIGxlc3NlbiB0aGUgYW1vdW50IG9mIHByZXAgCndvcmsgSSB3b3VsZCBoYXZlIHRvIGRvLiBFcmljIHlvdSdyZSBhcmUgcmlnaHQgYWJvdXQgaXQgYmVpbmcgZmxhbW1hYmxlIGFuZCAKc2hvdWxkIGJlIGNvdmVyZWQgdXAgd2l0aCBzb21ldGhpbmcgbm9uLWZsYW1tYWJsZSwgaSBkaWRuJ3QgdGhpbmsgYWJvdXQgdGhhdC4gCkRvdWcgdGhhdCB3b3VsZCBzdXJlIHRha2UgYSBsb3Qgb2Ygc3ByYXkgY2FucyBidXQgdGhhdCABMAEBAQE- References: <1370058315.92733.YahooMailRC@web184902.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 15:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Vantacich To: David Hillman Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] rigid insulation board Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net David you might be on to something, that sure would lessen the amount of prep work I would have to do. Eric you're are right about it being flammable and should be covered up with something non-flammable, i didn't think about that. Doug that would sure take a lot of spray cans but that was excellent suggestion I did not know about that product. Great ideas thanks for the help!!! Frank V. Loomis, Ca rustymetal@sbcglobal.net ________________________________ From: David Hillman To: Frank Vantacich Cc: Shop Talk Sent: Sat, June 1, 2013 7:53:34 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] rigid insulation board On Fri, 31 May 2013, Frank Vantacich wrote: > I need to insulate the ceiling in my barn, 18'x30', and am thinking of using >2" > rigid insulation board or otherwise called polystyrene. One side has a > reflective foil on it and the other has some kind of a plastic wrap on it and > it is this side that I would like to paint white to cover up the blue printing. > Is this feasible and does any one recommend a particular paint. Why not just put the reflective side facing down, and leave it be? That's what my father-in-law and I did ( two garages ). Looks fine for a garage ceiling, and even helps with lighting a little. Throw some aluminum tape on the seams and call it done. Painting it sounds like a right bitch, to be honest. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 08:44:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E946A4276B for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 08:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailfront4.g2host.com [208.42.184.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC057403F8 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 08:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.164.52.117] (account arvidj@visi.com HELO HP62011) by mailfront4.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPA id 111554842 for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:33:24 -0500 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: "Shop Talk List" Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 09:33:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] rigid insulation board Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I think which way the foil is facing depends on what you are trying to do ... keep heat in or keep heat out. Based on the information here ... http://www.rimainternational.org/index.php/myths/ ... for the foil will need an air gap to be effective. The foil is glued to foam so the air gap requirement will not be met on that side of the material. If you install the material with the foil facing inside it will perform best reflecting energy ... light and heat ... back into the room, plus the effect of the foam insulation. Keeping heat out in the summer will only be affected by effect of the foam insulation based on the lack of the air gap on that side of the foil. If you install the material with the foam facing the roof ... and we assume it is installed with the required air gap between the material and the roof sheeting otherwise it will not be effective ... heat will be reflected back to the roof sheeting along with the effect of the foam insulation, but heat from room will only be affected by the the foam insulation. At least that is the way I understand the information. >David you might be on to something, that sure would lessen the amount of >prep work I would have to do. >>Why not just put the reflective side facing down, and leave it be? That's >>what my father-in-law and I did ( two garages ). Looks fine for a garage >>ceiling, and even helps with lighting a little. Throw some aluminum tape >>on the seams and call it done. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 12:11:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D88042AA0 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 12:11:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7092640442 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 12:07:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 44178 invoked by uid 3198); 2 Jun 2013 18:03:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Jun 2013 18:03:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 14:03:22 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: Arvid Jedlicka References: <175FD9E30ADF4879A9374E90557BFDB8@HP62011> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] rigid insulation board Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, 2 Jun 2013, Arvid Jedlicka wrote: > I think which way the foil is facing depends on what you are trying to do > ... keep heat in or keep heat out. Based on the information here ... > > http://www.rimainternational.org/index.php/myths/ In theory, that's probably true. In my non-scientific experience with two garages, they are both substantially cooler in summer and warmer in winter than they were with uninsulated ceilings. Neither have any A/C, and the one with heat noticed a drop in heating costs. For a about a year after I did mine, I kicked myself everyday for not doing it the week I bought the house. YMMV. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 14:58:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F3542AB0 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 14:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA7242A7A for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 14:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130602205048.LYUB6169.mta11.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 16:50:48 -0400 Received: from wt07 ([209.225.8.57]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id jYqo1l00N1Dq0wp05Yqoc5; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 16:50:48 -0400 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=fanFiWAi-Z0A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=qbmxOJxSKJoA:10 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=RGBPPbjyoYaZgkYiRiwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=qAU8oE5oLxQNkzzYEh4A:9 a=4dfuLZYjwgGgWJAO:21 a=BcwT0Smst7MCtTIIGOhIgQ==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 16:50:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 16:50:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] throttle cable end/terminal (?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not sure what to call it but I would like to use a different end/terminal that what was included with this carb linkage kit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/82293958@N06/8928731354/ Looking for suggestions to replace the little bits you can see on the left that has the cable stuck in it for the picture. (I do have a new cable that is not frayed.) I donbt like how these little bits are supposed to hold the cable. Also, it is all held on the rod by the smallest and thinnest wire cotter pin I have ever seen. The rod on the right is just the bare rod that will receive the replacement part that holds the cable shown as a reference. Whatta think? Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 15:13:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E900A42ABF for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:13:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5451F42A0B for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([12.162.141.2]) by p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id jZ971l00L03JK1Y01Z996X; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 14:09:09 -0700 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 16:09:07 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <436fad3c.8426de.13f06a81fc2.Webtop.47@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] throttle cable end/terminal (?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tim, I agree, the cotter key doesn't look too robust! Are you sure the stack of washers opposite the cotter key are correctly placed? Usually a cotter key is against a washer so it doesn't wear through. Can you move the location of the cable closer to the arm? I would try either threading the pin that is held with the cotter key and use a nut on each side of the arm to lock it in place with enough play to allow it to rotate as needed. A bit of Locktite or drilling holes in the nuts and pin to allow safety wire to be run through them should do the trick, or use collars with set screws on each side of the arm. Another thing to try is to find a shouldered shaft where you can use the shoulder on the side where the cotter key is, with some jamb nuts on the other side of the arm, then the nuts and washers that hold the cable. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Tim > Not sure what to call it but I would like to use a different > end/terminal that what was included with this carb linkage kit: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/82293958@N06/8928731354/ > > Looking for suggestions to replace the little bits you can see on the > left that has the cable stuck in it for the picture. (I do have a new > cable that is not frayed.) I donbt like how these little bits are > supposed to hold the cable. Also, it is all held on the rod by the > smallest and thinnest wire cotter pin I have ever seen. The rod on the > right is just the bare rod that will receive the replacement part that > holds the cable shown as a reference. > > Whatta think? > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 16:31:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F5742B1C for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 16:31:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm11-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.124]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD87E42A72 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 16:24:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2013 22:19:52 -0000 Received: from [67.195.15.60] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2013 22:19:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2013 22:19:51 -0000 BTiae6.oOYgVq78fx0kDkJU7BD.2zz5ybBCAX4f2p0WOBhzOr5jGgrmmA5qG lhsxmhj6ehMuQpNcDviCvdHpNkj52x86MCctdEH4wN5FSAmiYmNZNZOJdaRv gs6WbHwzwUv7GgVXihExn9iYzuIh4W6TNIjpqZT8jIPxw5r2M6A3psHBcm8X UOfSQMxQFbkdTp9_JHjl26DVK_F47QXWjO.uSETl7eysEIX4byLgSRiFu6k4 0T7bVlnypGlyFJx.XWjOlr5kxRf3JfDevPw8hutLAd4H5uSKMkFs4Vcu7K_a vpOF0vipAT_IWhr9KpqAjz.zDY1Ka6GOQZ7XZuuGi2w44ZaPOu9m0taFkYTS Cs1w3EbqLFPOwLrrtDKAVJIrBr3Iqr2NYJkkXcMxzAk8tXlrTBDXzLTt3X.E pwM9MX1wMnl9ShKvn9M7e6jpLFvXHTImeR7JM.bLYPB7e3J77vUPgPW9tCO9 LBPb3tlKs1yPZvAODvRvnVawhZXviCBuGoIEcM8qWqHHU6rqv0DGIwssu0Qw ZxAmC7lDGken9mordKj0LUsph61DuGPuUhoJJQ9rFk.94ZJBhJkd_l7z9cdQ YpwdKpWjJpHTK9ADpyOlZFzpso5nHuEMi_iCfR8vs.Pt8MGQdBh.Ckhr85ro cgbDEOiN8MvzzHwviHrgHO4cqYjkxbZwoHgX5B1DhCX1QXlFZR_iZGfTwFf4 - smtp101.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jun 2013 15:19:51 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Tim'" , "'Shop Talk'" References: <436fad3c.8426de.13f06a81fc2.Webtop.47@charter.net> Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:19:53 -0500 Thread-Index: AQH8rFEPkhnsPlWU6vrfzuczXkCwS5jGYvrw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] throttle cable end/terminal (?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Is the cable passing through a hole in the threaded portion of the stud, between the two nuts? If so, then it looks properly assembled though the nuts need to be tightened to clamp the cable onto the stud. As Pat noted, there would be a washer between the cotter pin and the arm, and as you noted, a larger cotter pin is in order. Should work fine then. Alternatively, you could use a bug nut. Here's one style that comes in several sizes: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/cablendbnut.php?clickkey=9629 Karl -----Original Message----- From: Tim Subject: [Shop-talk] throttle cable end/terminal (?) Not sure what to call it but I would like to use a different end/terminal that what was included with this carb linkage kit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/82293958@N06/8928731354/ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 2 16:31:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC25842B3D for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 16:31:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D928242B19 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2013 16:31:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.99] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2013 22:27:30 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.64] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2013 22:27:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2013 22:27:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 64245 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2013 22:27:30 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370212050; bh=a0J4m8Rqcc9lh4gmkG3EaRntNcSlBe+sM4hJgBVZDFU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hpB99NPRnnBF0yypYp7TD1PH2XttL/zQF0Wu1a3cqtSbYQ7Bg0TlqWD5LkrKCI14d/xiz55DSy6L9VBqWAko9IMOyPlpbR82Js3Gf99Hi7kf4ObBK6V2iXFGh+eKlQBp/L9DAnT+r18G5z26qYb9q3fy68f/Mglh2PHnEo2m9To= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g4iACOwKV5AOH5TkPffV8X6IDJdU2LRGwnGpmboet6MOcLauBKt2Jy+R068DywVrPA1UBZgo9TJxMnJ0ESPMPLFRTPi8MIbD8I/CPmS9ecp8ikrBpFjInITqGVbEfoC8SgLU/lta18rIdsV6Us90zvGdVzgwJHehE4ADiiD5qAA=; pHFM9YHPkcCAL4vQGOpQ2MAPawM6.hD_NxV.aXnyGfOSJ7zAi13Aw1ZQhtuL Tg81JKJPQ7NQZADH5X1ZZ5LqPnQsVeSAwDUVZ2Bm1jIN.xpm28HNqOVSWJTd 5n24Hm8rEPDq1lF_Q_0GOHV5OvwgfoGeo8wXJTeJ0lcTXbWoLHi9k71iBKrs 8uWQc2hR.pRTF.MDXyYIK3m2kNci5NIRGzjDRbddP2GJwTOuPDTZQTP3m_Gw UIaB_sPXc7uD69PPatCtdSihxNnnZtw7gevtZ3GwIdA.GPvsJMhWWZ_v8UUY FV_n9VGcnGki0gu606acIhTv9aiuZqu7lQ1O0zZEA4BUmPGcbgdSmit4UL8L TR1BbWqqD44hKf6HtP6MZ2so5Q9vHpTSksR_qX_iqHjND0ytXJYKeV7H1DHs ZSxR4PosqZ1jB5Jt_hX_dUnF36xnZBd3zOasUmF7bSdn.tBdZKcoTy70Jtru wXUnQbm4ZaVLolHW__ICjILNiyCbXDoiCl7QLR1NdikHIyMP4zVt6pd..MGu 18cqdG__BPo6L_V1KbnGyh9BJnaa7sF.EES7cGT3qWGrhC.Yzs_.6mhBpB7X 2Z.nS9_zboU1Mi8dfbCpsxmZuRPIsMxUcSU_G_XfoYY1PRkM7uiNtEY6JkMr IKcduAwDp7Ip9uzVW5wdi3v9AkRaS6x_YWlrsgw-- Received: from [69.108.2.212] by web184905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jun 2013 15:27:29 PDT CgogCgoKCgpHb29kIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIGZyb20gZXZlcnlvbmUuIFRoYW5rIHlvdSEhIFRoZSBzdHJ1Y3R1cmUgSSB3aWxsIGJlIHVzaW5nIHRoZSAKcmlnaWQgaW5zdWxhdGlvbiBpbiBpcyBhIHJhaXNlZCBjZW50ZXIgYWlzbGUgYmFybiB3aGljaCBpcyBhbGwgYnVpbHQgb2Ygd29vZCAsIAp0aGUgcmFpc2VkIGNlbnRlciBwYXJ0IGlzIDIwIGZlZXQgZnJvbSB0aGUgZ3JvdW5kIGFuZCBoYXMgYSA0IGluIDEyIHBpdGNoIHJvb2YgCm92ZXIgaXQgYW5kIGlzIDE4JyB4IDMwJy4gSSB3YXMgZ29pbmcgdG8gc2MBMAEBAQE- References: <175FD9E30ADF4879A9374E90557BFDB8@HP62011> Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:27:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Vantacich To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Fw: rigid insulation board Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Good information from everyone. Thank you!! The structure I will be using the rigid insulation in is a raised center aisle barn which is all built of wood , the raised center part is 20 feet from the ground and has a 4 in 12 pitch roof over it and is 18' x 30'. I was going to screw the rigid insul. boards to the rafters then there would be a gap of about 4ft at the ridge down to 6 inches between the roof and the rigid insul boards. I don't have any lights in this area but will have two 5' ceiling fans. There are three 2'x4' windows on either side that are about 2 ft from the ceiling so the rigid insul boards will hopefully reflect some light in to the floor space. right now I'm sure I loose a lot of heat from my wood stove into this space so it will serve two functions one to keep the heat in in the winter and two keep the heat out in the summer that comes from the asphalt shingled roof. I was originally planning to insulate with rolled insulation and then screw 16' lengths of corrugated metal on to the rafters, this is what i did on the two lower ceilings which go from 9' up the 14' but for some reason i can't get motivated to do the same thing in the center part which is 20' up in the air. And know you know the rest of the story. Frank V. Loomis, Ca rustymetal@sbcglobal.net ________________________________ From: David Hillman To: Arvid Jedlicka Cc: Shop Talk List Sent: Sun, June 2, 2013 11:08:57 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] rigid insulation board On Sun, 2 Jun 2013, Arvid Jedlicka wrote: > I think which way the foil is facing depends on what you are trying to do > ... keep heat in or keep heat out. Based on the information here ... > > http://www.rimainternational.org/index.php/myths/ In theory, that's probably true. In my non-scientific experience with two garages, they are both substantially cooler in summer and warmer in winter than they were with uninsulated ceilings. Neither have any A/C, and the one with heat noticed a drop in heating costs. For a about a year after I did mine, I kicked myself everyday for not doing it the week I bought the house. YMMV. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rustymetal@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 05:44:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD98742C10 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 05:44:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F0742C21 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 05:44:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130603114002.VIKC10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 07:40:02 -0400 Received: from wt06 ([209.225.8.46]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id jng21l0100zbdDt05ng2uL; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 07:40:02 -0400 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=-6XmaWct3HAA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=sP8bcgvkzxwA:10 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=gDYfkkqnAAAA:8 a=zXwFUq3fXTTOj2O0CYsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=tjy9NOTfCScA:10 a=5lqCTeepr34A:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=yyOqXdtkbKAA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 07:40:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 07:40:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] throttle cable end/terminal (?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks all. I will see what I can figure out. On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > Tim, > > I agree, the cotter key doesn't look too robust! Are you sure the > stack of washers opposite the cotter key are correctly placed? Usually > a cotter key is against a washer so it doesn't wear through. > > Can you move the location of the cable closer to the arm? I would try > either threading the pin that is held with the cotter key and use a > nut on each side of the arm to lock it in place with enough play to > allow it to rotate as needed. A bit of Locktite or drilling holes in > the nuts and pin to allow safety wire to be run through them should do > the trick, or use collars with set screws on each side of the arm. > > Another thing to try is to find a shouldered shaft where you can use > the shoulder on the side where the cotter key is, with some jamb nuts > on the other side of the arm, then the nuts and washers that hold the > cable. > > Peace, > Pat > > Thusly spake Tim > >> Not sure what to call it but I would like to use a different >> end/terminal that what was included with this carb linkage kit: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/82293958@N06/8928731354/ >> >> Looking for suggestions to replace the little bits you can see on the >> left that has the cable stuck in it for the picture. (I do have a new >> cable that is not frayed.) I donbt like how these little bits are >> supposed to hold the cable. Also, it is all held on the rod by the >> smallest and thinnest wire cotter pin I have ever seen. The rod on >> the >> right is just the bare rod that will receive the replacement part >> that >> holds the cable shown as a reference. >> >> Whatta think? >> Thanks >> tim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com >> >> >> > > -- > Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems > (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 > Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 > www.hornesystemstx.com > -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 08:07:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D3642D44 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:07:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailfront3.g2host.com [208.42.184.241]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD4C42C8F for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.164.52.117] (account arvidj@visi.com HELO HP62011) by mailfront3.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPA id 112202399 for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 09:02:50 -0500 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: "Shop Talk List" References: <175FD9E30ADF4879A9374E90557BFDB8@HP62011> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:02:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] rigid insulation board Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The information was specifically related to maximizing the effectiveness of the radiant barrier, not the pro's and con's of insulation in general. My non-scientific experience agrees with yours. The garage is considerably cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter after I installed foam installation ... but it was simply pink foam board without any reflective barrier. Our observations suggest that significant benefits can be had by putting up any insulation, and the information provided in the link provides the manufacturers recommendations related to the radiant barrier component if that is part of the material being installed. -----Original Message----- From: David Hillman Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 1:03 PM To: Arvid Jedlicka Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] rigid insulation board On Sun, 2 Jun 2013, Arvid Jedlicka wrote: > I think which way the foil is facing depends on what you are trying to do > ... keep heat in or keep heat out. Based on the information here ... > > http://www.rimainternational.org/index.php/myths/ In theory, that's probably true. In my non-scientific experience with two garages, they are both substantially cooler in summer and warmer in winter than they were with uninsulated ceilings. Neither have any A/C, and the one with heat noticed a drop in heating costs. For a about a year after I did mine, I kicked myself everyday for not doing it the week I bought the house. YMMV. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 09:58:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AC342E10 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:58:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23D742DD6 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 15:53:25 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.100] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 15:53:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 15:53:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 73850 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2013 15:53:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370274805; bh=9K9+Wenx5W8+yZJB6jyFv6+WVG/Wu9+H+nMNFDtsEfw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s5hxN8j3Esj+IbwsJLIZ79ROue4elwv8u/d2trK1on2b3BRtL5m9GxLGFn76qK2N/lxodSoNCytkdCz/6ogwX2HFR8LsqMTs5AbUL3WvG8Yz+BI+5Psm+rJORdEDmfllIxs7e8a7rAHUS8jGYZRcOB64mAcNe/jhGRQ81HYbpzY= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oPXILOCdnSTp9vzxqpYixLrGH3DIVACbB1uMvvzQtigPCyQuexmyojUnx3EIHvM1eYrC4hhOlVDWyWwfLeEwr2Z6KfhGFJHsgsYs4Oyc287MXL0jtJTw31A01n3CeUEDIsbBCTn7WyWD0z1VJ1bW69RX9ywD/HbUyhYqJk/F5i8=; xiOhNwS1lCyOgAC0DB6ydVrr4McSExkiT8j6unA5KO_pR5nxBWXKRzVCzYTr SgCkwiAJTt_3mp08hVijKDYPGeomOAcSrQBW8FkkVJj5pz.b3bE5oMIxwmBy 8eMPAIUVefMt8BV4KczWnnWPkY2vqHcQxKHpxzTHaWE.DCG3XysoTFoI2akf 09zjXoRZDExOzuQzNdFO7dkceuS4apfKkjC6N64uaLhraOv0lvHJjcPIZhhe R4HIuVmLIEOW64A.xqw22zwODYHan7DEnPpX12qgXdMPDg4.d0OPJEenhvvY UxMu8A74evGnfxtI14uj.0TaUZTWcPz7QOmZe9bOeJt8EGj02HkHrGgCTVi0 .VWr_qX8yLwElO.nAFLaMFiK47TiPFdXH39y1ZZsMGKODGjNLK1kiG.NlEYF JvzBmZn9SFgMeXUZRlc9ljVLvtuFONqLylNA7cCCucpiy.tQpCDyGJ2NLgsy vTBkUk46HzBbOUL7J0jKCQaPJHWGj2zejE9sL3thrphhqMmUfgB9WhQ1mMHm rzMyzkriMLl72aBhhkLdY Received: from [75.132.30.38] by web181501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 08:53:24 PDT SSBoYXZlIGEgcmlkaWN1bG91c2x5IG9sZCBiZWFkIGJsYXN0IGNhYmluZXQgdGhhdCB3b3JrcyBmYW50YXN0aWNhbGx5IHdlbGwuwqAgVGhlIGdsb3ZlcyBjbGFtcCB0byBhIDUtMS8yIGluY2ggZGlhbWV0ZXIgZmxhbmdlLCBhbmQgYXJlIG5vdyB3ZWFyaW5nIG91dC7CoCBOb25lIG9mIHRoZSBibGFzdCBzdXBwbHkgcGxhY2VzIHNlZW0gdG8gaGF2ZSB0aGlzIHNpemUgb2YgZ2xvdmUuwqAgVGhleSB3aWxsIGFsbCBzZWxsIGdsb3ZlcyB0aGF0IGZpdCBhIDctMS80IGluY2ggZmxhbmdlLsKgIFNvbWUgZXZlbiABMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:53:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Bender To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Sheet metal question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a ridiculously old bead blast cabinet that works fantastically well. The gloves clamp to a 5-1/2 inch diameter flange, and are now wearing out. None of the blast supply places seem to have this size of glove. They will all sell gloves that fit a 7-1/4 inch flange. Some even sell the retrofit flange. So, I am thinking about how to cut two clean, accurate circles, 7-1/2 inches in diameter in a box made of 14 gage sheet metal. I don't have access to a plasma cutter here at home, my nibbler isn't capable of handling the thickness, it can't be disassembled to fit into the mill and my Greenlee knockouts don't go anywhere near that big. I suppose I could buy a 7-1/2 inch hole saw, but Google shows $112 and up for something that will likely get used once. I'll probably end up borrowing Dad's tanks and cutting torch, but that's a hassle to transport and will require a fair amount of clean up of the cut edge. Any neat out-of-the-box ideas while I talk one of my buddies into buying a plasma cutter that I can borrow? Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 10:09:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3CC42E2D for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cmx.pixar.com (cmx.pixar.com [12.25.180.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF7E42DFF for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:08:27 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208";a="32407372" Received: from ickx.dynamic.pixar.com (HELO [138.72.136.56]) ([138.72.136.56]) by cirrus.pixar.com with ESMTP; 03 Jun 2013 09:04:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 09:04:02 -0700 From: Drew Rogge User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.12) Gecko/20130108 Thunderbird/10.0.12 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1370274804.72755.YahooMailClassic@web181501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sheet metal question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I assume the box is steel? You might be able to make a plywood template with a 7-1/2 dia hole in it and use a router with a flushtriming bit to auger out the hole. I'm sure it would ruin the bit and be quite noisy but if it's a one time deal? Drew On 06/03/2013 08:53 AM, Robert Bender wrote: > I have a ridiculously old bead blast cabinet that works fantastically well. > The gloves clamp to a 5-1/2 inch diameter flange, and are now wearing out. > None of the blast supply places seem to have this size of glove. They will > all sell gloves that fit a 7-1/4 inch flange. Some even sell the retrofit > flange. So, I am thinking about how to cut two clean, accurate circles, 7-1/2 > inches in diameter in a box made of 14 gage sheet metal. I don't have access > to a plasma cutter here at home, my nibbler isn't capable of handling the > thickness, it can't be disassembled to fit into the mill and my Greenlee > knockouts don't go anywhere near that big. I suppose I could buy a 7-1/2 inch > hole saw, but Google shows $112 and up for something that will likely get used > once. I'll probably end up borrowing Dad's tanks and cutting torch, but that's > a hassle to transport and will require a fair amount of clean up of the cut > edge. Any neat out-of-the-box ideas > while I talk one of my buddies into buying a plasma cutter that I can > borrow? > Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 10:14:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E5F42EA7 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail959c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail959c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D9142D5D for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail959c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r53GA1CX005767; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:10:03 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Robert Bender" , "Shop Talk List" References: <1370274804.72755.YahooMailClassic@web181501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:08:45 -0400 a=vR9DVJuTdoEA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=GP8FKuGUAAAA:20 a=Wy_yCBLpRsIuuh9SQukA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sheet metal question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A metal cutting blade in a jig saw plus a steady hand should do the job. Cutting oil will make the blade last longer but you'll still probably want at least two blades (so get four...). I used my jig saw with a metal cutting blade to cut many parts out of 14ga steel to repair my MGA chassis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWpHzf1I0BI Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- > Any neat out-of-the-box ideas while I talk one of my buddies into buying a > plasma cutter that I can > borrow? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 10:15:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9B542E95 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:15:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f174.google.com (mail-we0-f174.google.com [74.125.82.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E88342E62 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:15:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f174.google.com with SMTP id q58so1947171wes.33 for ; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 09:11:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=CSJ4Z4rWsuNnZY0aybuTZerSeb+t6LpxHkBZJnc8Hps=; b=hQTwJHhnf1Z2nDly2KewsOrMdy4bW/ByVxYI9KuBlMba39TnytmaXD/JZAVOEcturw 0+aLCvxqDXzUfzQHdrqN7T9vBXF9kI9ha1PEmCBveUR2VcvZTdvukRSvw/Oby4q/egqN DBdLXf9qCOyIQZ8X8up4gcIDSOpR3+gXVLQqh6wLagWDqCvNPNqgZFbIUPC4rPvJTfez x7btpz6iYmFA6Y0Bv+S355eD5jG7dbKFbluE3j/rnEVHWI2yYDembN07bCbtop0joiCW dbQySMisR51+ASqHjy7XkJJkjkgY9l1ffnm3Idpdo35CaIkUqzQ5dA1WFRUmP6DI/+Ja B+IQ== gc10mr19742446wjb.48.1370275863581; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 09:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.217.112.10 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:11:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <821DA0849BD64EB187687C9FFDEDC07D@HP62011> <1370274804.72755.YahooMailClassic@web181501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:11:03 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Robert Bender Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sheet metal question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Saber saws can do that chore. A variable speed unit will allow one to select an optimal speed to suit the blade and metal. Use good quality metal cutting blades but don't be afraid to try some of the coarser blades for wood; I once broke my last metal cutting blade and finished a job with a wood-type blade that cut much better but vibrated and danced around a lot . . Good Luck. Tony On 3 June 2013 10:53, Robert Bender wrote: > I have a ridiculously old bead blast cabinet that works fantastically well. > The gloves clamp to a 5-1/2 inch diameter flange, and are now wearing out. > None of the blast supply places seem to have this size of glove. They will > all sell gloves that fit a 7-1/4 inch flange. Some even sell the retrofit > flange. So, I am thinking about how to cut two clean, accurate circles, > 7-1/2 > inches in diameter in a box made of 14 gage sheet metal. I don't have > access > to a plasma cutter here at home, my nibbler isn't capable of handling the > thickness, it can't be disassembled to fit into the mill and my Greenlee > knockouts don't go anywhere near that big. I suppose I could buy a 7-1/2 > inch > hole saw, but Google shows $112 and up for something that will likely get > used > once. I'll probably end up borrowing Dad's tanks and cutting torch, but > that's > a hassle to transport and will require a fair amount of clean up of the cut > edge. Any neat out-of-the-box ideas > while I talk one of my buddies into buying a plasma cutter that I can > borrow? > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 13:51:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE33C43130 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:51:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f50.google.com (mail-oa0-f50.google.com [209.85.219.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2C542E53 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id l20so1295162oag.37 for ; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 12:46:32 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=psX2/eKAQG2fjB7OgQMU3NdQcWJ5r2FKaSW+5cwfg1Q=; b=AgjmHQ/w44tapTdVYHIT3UheM9Axq4z2ZVy5YcaUmis7hGNworCHjdvVLmmuRPm2nY zAvTWa+JplC4RFKCnbjsFIDSgW3afHAnuGrWkgGV1vwMICR1qa9m8IPqGQ9z0fHOUjaY 0BIgrZloovL/Gi0yOLXsDGqle/pyM6IMNrJLkTl3kFLrKJ61QOMxzaOuwWeAq+I2LvhF q2WGeKpC0BMKpeTQ2TI1hKFHQaaa7KlyAY2xuoFu2LSQI7izBDqKIICiCLI0x82oxdyn GCxl0YyhCZDEmB4Wl7qPQi1s/PaRDvOo8UuVgyS3zTDWszeu7Lwp1APL02zPIUqIc358 OQOA== kt9mr5270424oeb.99.1370288792411; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 12:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.79.129 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:46:32 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sheet metal question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a Bosch saber saw, and their blades are nice. They make fine toothed metal blades that work fine for fairly thick sheet metal. But you will probably wear them out quick: they have only about an inch worth of teeth on them... > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Elton E. (Tony) Clark < > eltonclark@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Saber saws can do that chore. A variable speed unit will allow one to >> select an optimal speed to suit the blade and metal. Use good quality >> metal cutting blades but don't be afraid to try some of the coarser blades >> for wood; I once broke my last metal cutting blade and finished a job >> with >> a wood-type blade that cut much better but vibrated and danced around >> a >> lot . . Good Luck. >> Tony _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 17:58:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64AC4428A for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:57:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813F043C9F for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 23:48:52 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.106] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 23:48:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2013 23:48:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 65957 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2013 23:48:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370303331; bh=+IjI+CTPZLaTHn5GsW+6yflQtKwM1isW1jwf/5uvX/Q=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JnhtKJ27x8BImrXLhLZFG4uTkd6Aflp1278rlQid0XT7/+SaDPbfmRXBOp/O7hz7zVvbdL98dbu+yZ9zD9W3NWAVY1M79WPpWD2AsKKU62CB2xn7SydieiBR/y9uTA7HP7NS7qjvBb9+89nTxkur1fyqv4yRcfXHZVFUt4flse4= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M1XCChB0i/06F69W/WhVtCtqf0+EVSAqX4x1yy31isCilSu6FaNmCijOHL1d0RGyWfytHwssYYx4ffI8A+66di7/Oya/VmvH7E1/dt+xN7I5ZLAO7MOfTjf4eMFb0O+f57rrk+Cl7MsHcDYblQfc1vYM1QMikpPeI5U5m2WXkTk=; sw6EOmYybi0eJp4O3J4IS6UJDWXAaCBq9TfCvetQbXmUKQU0UqYlWJsiP_4p E359wm5W5nZ_uTWg9vTmpUdcUFceOoy0UrRb0dRCEbOv5tOspfFVL34RYDRt eFbPZu2ebKEAtuLrO1JxdWhcCeWjjJObnXPDFWjHh_QXPzLdOHxtlnfSE.d3 jkQSrRm2fgw7SADx6cdTo1B56d9cK2jGn2Y2_sfTSfszd0Emq80r1wbdZ0Hn 8ZJYsvUdICQAyMSvIbh5OiBR7xMTph36fZW1n8WVClssf3cRh_mS0ZOB51UW 5ojg3uzVH92OFAj2j2cIHli1YUUCcN7mQLsI_XL0WGDve_HRo60hkI.nG0a7 0AhP2yTDxajQPNYwwgUJNIOx34sLVnb_FNX9tIaXo7Q0cr0g9ipx9cQbiyte 3Ol3WZL7VRZEK2CYHMaKwwvMNzrrtSICIWD2b7oMe33HbKC8WhI2QzDGJkYq _i_C380fT3tEIIfaufsJrWd19sZtqWKaNYvoIXkxJx8QqFQVoq_LFYKpJl5d pJXXNnovq1mIZ_v5QsSP3wRnH9wbPqcY_cJH138mBMleiO.1Gs32RrmHAkBI IKI0Lkxwd6I1QqWozphSnWMQQLtWBDymOvShcowmV Received: from [75.132.30.38] by web181506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2013 16:48:51 PDT VGhhbmtzIGZvciBhbGwgdGhlIHN1Z2dlc3Rpb25zLsKgIEhvbmVzdGx5IHRoZSBqaWcgc2F3IHdpdGggbWV0YWwgY3V0dGluZyBibGFkZSBuZXZlciBvY2N1cnJlZCB0byBtZSAobWVudGFsIGJsb2NrPyksIEkga2VwdCB0aGlua2luZyBvZiBlaXRoZXIgdXNpbmcgYSBidXJyIG9uIHRoZSBkaWUgZ3JpbmRlciBvciBhIGN1dHRpbmcgdG9yY2guwqAgQnV0IHRoYXQncyB3aHkgSSByZWFkIHRoZSBzdWdnZXN0aW9ucyBvbiB0aGlzIGxpc3QuDQpUaGFua3MgZXZlcnlvbmUsDQpCb2INCg0KLS0tIE9uIE1vbiwgNi8BMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Bender To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sheet metal question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the suggestions. Honestly the jig saw with metal cutting blade never occurred to me (mental block?), I kept thinking of either using a burr on the die grinder or a cutting torch. But that's why I read the suggestions on this list. Thanks everyone, Bob --- On Mon, 6/3/13, Eric J Russell wrote: From: Eric J Russell Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sheet metal question To: "Robert Bender" , "Shop Talk List" Date: Monday, June 3, 2013, 11:08 AM A metal cutting blade in a jig saw plus a steady hand should do the job. Cutting oil will make the blade last longer but you'll still probably want at least two blades (so get four...). I used my jig saw with a metal cutting blade to cut many parts out of 14ga steel to repair my MGA chassis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWpHzf1I0BI Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- > Any neat out-of-the-box ideas while I talk one of my buddies into buying a plasma cutter that I can > borrow? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 3 19:31:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987B6442A4 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDD042D44 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 19:27:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E034276C6F for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 18:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMDHexaCore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6004C276C6D for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 18:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 18:09:57 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke References: <821DA0849BD64EB187687C9FFDEDC07D@HP62011> localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sheet metal question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My first thought was a cutoff wheel in a die grinder, assuming you have an air compressor. Mark the cut line with a Sharpie. Go slow and steady using both hands to hold the die grinder and you can cut a fairly clean circle of that size. Cut towards the inside of the line then use a sanding drum or carbide burr to finish the shape and clean up the edge. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 408,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 07:37:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C407A40518 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 07:37:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail959c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail959c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693A9403C7 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 07:32:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail959c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r55DSAQq020474 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:28:12 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "shop-talk" Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:25:19 -0400 a=zJNhLm7-ACIA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=b4KrJKo_AAAA:8 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=5sFsZ5DIk03zH2d9D9IA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=tOfxQA20Ft8A:10 a=OLWK7yr4eYEA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Shop-talk] World's Oldest Surform Plane? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Apparently from the late 1800s: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/tls/3849546736.html Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 22:18:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0B940404 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 22:18:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD79E403E0 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 22:17:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 04:13:18 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.174] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 04:13:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2013 04:13:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370491997; bh=yQOMDX/P717vEXb0Aq32D0cZoiflQ9iPQw2XLl3bYDI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=HhE4sM6A76Meqsfn8lKJhv/fFjXjpboFeVsH83fBOWsUbHFNYvHLjtfkD7KeIn7Z8VIFeYYmtiFy62GY9RxgRWw7ZSPwtY1L6W25Z5YI9Se80kt59O/ouv0XRZH6hAEUJ3AJpfwEHE6UEyae+motqkKSNqkdE9jTUNdYtUQLXS0= uiyKzoyb7EzxBDhzYSV8np0D2Z4teQC2Zjj_ZZQZCmAJ2gVCRb3K23NQplyB .Cl.gvFDuQ9xuff6hlc3loFCndnZvRhl9viMhtJDBG.iJsCRG2IEpDn6zYwn xr1WdOpQfhMgux.U9DgZFAjas5mM2zWUfzHVhb_c0kCd7PuekzWCC4m1YYxy D7QM7LS6K0f6LWybsBiTw5GmZDhZJVLA5la8mbAFbMUTe.DasNAkGjrUS2sW ryFPERUbVjQQtEl_CZMuGo7ISC2Ec7sde_KO0d_DIZyUX4X.kS2oMAm8Gq83 GCV1VmuQcIYhDQkPmeqjL9bWTEpCujTM7IWO0sxmHDE_AE25YyK.hjQ_1o65 6Qe4MtHHQBk80QVRk5q7P8qFwukHMxhoo5r0tSbvcwkF2QyuVYSYvyAMcaDR Aasn4ox71IYKd3YqaQHHK smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jun 2013 21:13:17 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 21:13:14 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5ia/Yx5xet7bISTeSR83sqjtwsAw== Subject: [Shop-talk] Craftsman Garage door opener Failure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Heads up on surprising repair. My garage door stopped working a day or so ago. I checked everything out that would normally lead to a failure and found nothing. Eventually I pulled the printed circuit board. I found an overheated section on the circuit board, right next to one leg of a relay. The track was blown. I figured the relay was shot, so I unsoldered it, then pulled the cover off the relay to take a look. The relay looked fine, so I cleaned up that terminal leg, which was corroded and soldered the relay back on the board. I added a jumper to a good part of the circuit board track and it's working again. I suspect one of the original solder joints was marginal and it took 15 years to finally overheat and burn through. Craftsman is made by Chamberlain. They also make Lift-master, so this same issue could affect any of these brands or another brand. It was just so weird I had to write it up. The really odd thing this week was about relays. Relays are pretty solid and rarely fail, at least in my world. A few days before the garage door opener issue one of the girls at work was having an issue with her car's A/C. That was a blown compressor clutch relay. Watch your relays folks. They are failing fast now. Must be sunspots or something. Jack _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 5 23:36:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F6740402 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 23:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E05403F8 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 23:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 06 Jun 2013 05:25:32 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2FD1A17C99; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 05:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 22:25:33 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Eric J Russell References: <451DBD9376C64069907BA0834A028E28@EricJRussellPC> Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] World's Oldest Surform Plane? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That will be worth a fortune, considering they were patented in 1949, if Wikipedia can be believed.... On 6/5/2013 6:25 AM, Eric J Russell wrote: > Apparently from the late 1800s: > > http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/tls/3849546736.html > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 00:11:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3311040406 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 00:11:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1AC403FA for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 00:11:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r5666Y1l017015 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 02:06:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 02:06:26 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Craftsman Garage door opener Failure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 6/6/2013 12:13 AM, Jack Brooks wrote: > Craftsman is made by Chamberlain. They also make Lift-master, so this same > issue could affect any of these brands or another brand. It was just so I have a Lift-Master with a 1999 build code in my place. It failed maybe 6 years ago, and after not being able to see anything defective on the printed circuit, I grabbed the soldering gear and "re-flowed" or fully re-soldered the whole board. Voila! It worked. Chamberlain broke a real basic engineering rule: Do NOT use solder to mechanically secure components to PCBs. I also glued all the offending big pieces down with - forget exactly - sillycone or hot glue or similar. Better engineering would have done that in the first place, or potted it, or put a ty-wrap in, or some bracket. -w _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 06:51:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20394035A for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com (mail-wi0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1EB40321 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:33:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hi5so293403wib.14 for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 05:29:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+7OkOvSHzVRw2L7MPRRR8Gy9H/zShyeQz87cGEGWo84=; b=wzbxHS+vyBxi7FMrwgjaVMRiSMQrTxNcm6PcgOrvc1q7RjS5K+yEERoi43VXf4fk+k j0eBAaD/KrwpJuwXBRXAB6rjOKKvWY4LaFStVz17TLUA8adb9xWePejLKY7IUMjwCBMR 18xP2WSpJqoP0xeamb285xttdpQl8SGNHHzGqlAq8p8TvXBsfU77N1fJVLR9MAJ47CUe yuy0ilTcunKBTDQsi52ZkwZIIsuwfUvKCadQFxNaICswVOw+HORE/XafFjZSC9KvvZhV XwOGIq3PO37Ohxhm++xKtkggRLZIEXZDDKjQU/tQr0kkDmlfz4O86im/mrkvIdwDffTg i9fA== on7mr30228456wjc.4.1370521740586; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 05:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.70 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 05:29:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <51B026E2.9040704@xxiii.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:29:00 -0500 From: John Innis To: Wayne Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Craftsman Garage door opener Failure Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Actually I'm going to disagree with you on that basic engineering rule. Mechanical security is exactly what solder is for. It is a lousy conductor. It is true that large and heavy components should have additional mechanical support, especially when used in an application that is subject to vibration or shock. But for small through-hole and surface mount components, solder is more than adequate. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Wayne wrote: > On 6/6/2013 12:13 AM, Jack Brooks wrote: > >> Craftsman is made by Chamberlain. They also make Lift-master, so this >> same >> issue could affect any of these brands or another brand. It was just so >> > > I have a Lift-Master with a 1999 build code in my place. It failed maybe 6 > years ago, and after not being able to see anything defective on the > printed circuit, I grabbed the soldering gear and "re-flowed" or fully > re-soldered the whole board. Voila! It worked. Chamberlain broke a real > basic engineering rule: Do NOT use solder to mechanically secure components > to PCBs. I also glued all the offending big pieces down with - forget > exactly - sillycone or hot glue or similar. Better engineering would have > done that in the first place, or potted it, or put a ty-wrap in, or some > bracket. > > -w > > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/jdinnis@**gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 07:50:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F6A40334 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:50:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from imap.usermail.com (imap.usermail.com [205.234.18.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D75440324 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 2012Win7Paul (cpe-173-095-178-200.nc.res.rr.com [173.95.178.200]) by imap.usermail.com (8.13.2/8.13.2) with ESMTP id r56DXO4r021075; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 07:33:27 -0600 From: "Paul Mele" To: "'Jack Brooks'" , "'Shop Talk'" Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:46:06 -0400 thread-index: Ac5ivCVjkgwVZAj3ScmKiJkB2fjTmg== Content-Language: en-us imap.usermail.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Craftsman Garage door opener Failure; RELAYS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I had a 24 year old Bosch relay fail on my BMW last week; put in a brand new one out of my parts drawer; it failed in about 8 miles. I spent 2 hrs trouble shooting before "starting again", only to find that the new relay failed. Currently, a used one from my parts car is doing nicely... << Watch your relays folks. They are failing fast now. Must be sunspots or something.>> _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 6 08:02:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3494E40355 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B378A40323 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([12.162.141.2]) by p3plsmtpa11-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id l1xX1l00Z03JK1Y011xY8e; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 06:57:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:57:22 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <011701ce62bc$323d1280$96b73780$@usermail.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Craftsman Garage door opener Failure; RELAYS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I ever use the new cube relays on the market except for Bosch and Cibie. These are probably made in the same plant in China as the ones that fail, but I bet they get better inspections than the cheap ones. Some times "NEW AND IMPROVED" isn't Peace, Pat Thusly spake Paul Mele > I had a 24 year old Bosch relay fail on my BMW last week; put in a brand new > one out of my parts drawer; it failed in about 8 miles. I spent 2 hrs > trouble shooting before "starting again", only to find that the new relay > failed. Currently, a used one from my parts car is doing nicely... > > > << Watch your relays folks. > They are failing fast now. Must be sunspots or something.>> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 14:38:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD994042A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:38:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111C24041A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:33:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mgRz1l0050cZkys5FkUCGL; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:28:12 +0000 Received: from SpiffAWesome2.technologist.com ([174.55.25.17]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mkUC1l00B0N84om3WkUCaN; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:28:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:11:56 -0400 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: Richard Beels References: <517F6F6E.5050007@landform.co.uk> s=q20121106; t=1370896092; bh=p3M+s2bnmKxFWP2h2u086kgaUs0I1UBMJo1I1+0mA/U=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type; b=NbrInr+sFCi72SCFXnQLLeUdQrTVB3H03bQv5BVkau8JA/R70VfhJ2ihXgC/DTkns q6ULubzAzJdGyXvqOB7ituuG4OI62Jeh1ljVE/Zcovnt0dgrWfddG044YsCCWhJD2k XeSrmczhSt93KSCbXTqrQwpRHjctWRUqlyn+uDehMM9Ev8O5aHu0MlTBbdF42o94hN aT1ncIi3h0LGdyebaIoIjipNRbMqtfX++HWc2c4okPUq4f9h3nu0GRNopyEygnqJTt YVi3nOV5VcgWFvu0pvqcGWV4C3BbRWU50GOdtGgux2eRc83P7b+LC5izXUmax1HJfy q0Ji6zHG35hcg== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Reading this WAY late but this is the quote of the year. Not going to be replacing the dozen or so 2 strokes around here, but still.... genius. At 04/30/2013 at 03:14, Shakespearean monkeys danced on nick brearley's keyboard and said: >... life is too short to spend time wrestling with that cubic inch >of frustration that is the Walbro carburettor... Cheers! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 10 14:45:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C674052A for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280DB4041C for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id gw10so6219990lab.30 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:40:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=F15Sa/o/qZYfWlAkhe5XGxFJBEG8UpXAeKgLCQcoQt8=; b=hQMizmOi9uCVtIiV2BeVUZr4BI2dQhjlzOyJFP8oTVtiU4C5Ab1QLHmvB0eRCeMfC0 ht+MBazZ9sSyw9NuuKfUZFsFiOnbkj9uMDkiuVYrSPn21SDwobAznxRx9H2yNddy9I+D E+qtaa3XaPlZ6fQeeqrh5CkFEpz1zIkzjWb309CQE8Azd1Otj6mdVsvFdclwXwfBWf+0 dqRzJudX+8IxHCBTHsAgvSZP05C+GoECdLo1f3hfDpJ7qw1kMJp3hRGxJVQ4UsNPCe82 kQTleE5oO43rY6b165yHQKeTT1+M5z6OiahnquNSxpASleaZ8S8QNtrQHVba1RLkwQaI RmDQ== x2mr1554859lae.9.1370896821026; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.16.104 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:40:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <517F6F6E.5050007@landform.co.uk> <6.2.5.6.2.20130610161019.0710c308@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:40:20 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Richard Beels wrote: > >> ... life is too short to spend time wrestling with that cubic inch of >> frustration that is the Walbro carburettor... I learned that earlier this year...Tried to do a simple cleaning, but only managed to make things worse. Then I found out a brand new plug-n-play carb was $27 delivered to my door. I have a new outlook on life now... I suppose if you had the Walbro tools and a fifth of patience, you could manage to fix it. But my Scotch costs more than $27, so that's that. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 11 12:39:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCE2403B2 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:39:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1634D40325 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130611183052.PDJL10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:30:52 -0400 Received: from wt03 ([209.225.8.43]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id n6Ws1l00W0vicD5056Wsru; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:30:52 -0400 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=-6XmaWct3HAA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=sP8bcgvkzxwA:10 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=-t-CSl5UHdyz0odEFJcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:30:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:30:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] throttle cable end/terminal (?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to the few of you who responded. Since you all pretty much thought that attachment that came in the kit looked ok, I went ahead and used it. It provides great movement that is very smooth. Once I get a bigger cotter pin I should be dialed. Thanks again! tim On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Tim wrote: > Not sure what to call it but I would like to use a different > end/terminal that what was included with this carb linkage kit: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/82293958@N06/8928731354/ > > Looking for suggestions to replace the little bits you can see on the > left that has the cable stuck in it for the picture. (I do have a new > cable that is not frayed.) I donbt like how these little bits are > supposed to hold the cable. Also, it is all held on the rod by the > smallest and thinnest wire cotter pin I have ever seen. The rod on the > right is just the bare rod that will receive the replacement part that > holds the cable shown as a reference. > > Whatta think? > Thanks > tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 20:05:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2513C403DA for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C215E403C8 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:05:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFF138A06F for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT) :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; s=groupwbench.org; bh=njyjxqy2WNW2z4R3BwSpb9Ir rSA=; b=WR2LCH9udLNwfCGLJ8i9zHF8I26eF3SJH/rPQUnPvkw8s/oPLZmlrZx8 4rJupLq4Tb5Hte4CebpxItr1CZvWl842o7YID3qs3g4CuFQBlxLDARxqUHDo+AdX j0mcqnXd2Yrb6VhfhHkMYFsan3KZFIZTKqGriYyGgL+JjvVeWXk= Received: from ggriebel-e6400.corp.int.com (pool-mnat.min.navisite.com [216.251.225.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A5EC38A058 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:03:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:03:32 -0400 To: shop-talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Removed wainscoting, now outlet box sticks out Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My Google-fu is weak tonight. I removed some wainscoting and now the outlet boxes stick out about 1/2". I'm looking for some spacers to add around the box so the wall plate will sit flush and it will look ok. Have you heard of such a thing? One site recommended the Wire-mould spacers but they didn't look big enough in LxW dimensions. thanks, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 17 21:11:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABC0403E9 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:11:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A77403D0 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:11:20 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=MiJfa8MZoVoNo4LXRFc1z9Ayan76YiPNPZEd2UjOc0OVrcofF9frdAwhjeMoJSnD; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.13.40] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UomIx-0003lc-Jx; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:09:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 20:08:29 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Jim Franklin References: Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Removed wainscoting, now outlet box sticks out Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim - A Wiremold starter box should work. See the picture at http://www.homedepot.com/p/Wiremold-Legrand-Non-Metallic-Extra-Deep-White-Outlet-Box-NMW35/100657459 (This is just a sample with a pretty picture showing the back plate. I'd get the thinnest one that fits.) These boxes are designed to be a starting point for a surface mount channel. Since your box is sticking out, I would just get some long screws for the outlet and skip the back plate. You may need to drill out the outlet screw holes so the long screws pull the extension against the wall. The other option is to replace the outlet box. If it is plastic and attached to the studs, just break it apart and put in an old work box like http://www.homedepot.com/p/Carlon-1-Gang-Non-Metallic-Old-Work-Box-B114RB/100404027 If it is metal, you can try and either break it apart or just undo the wires and push the box in the wall then go with the old work box. You could also make a spacer with a 1x4 and beveled or cove edges. Anything exposed to the inside of the box needs to be non-combustible, so use a box extender like http://www.homedepot.com/p/Electrical-Box-Extender-BE1-2/202708650 Before you do anything, make a diagram of the wires and make sure everything is off. Brian On 6/17/2013 7:03 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > My Google-fu is weak tonight. I removed some wainscoting and now the outlet > boxes stick out about 1/2". I'm looking for some spacers to add around the box > so the wall plate will sit flush and it will look ok. Have you heard of such a > thing? One site recommended the Wire-mould spacers but they didn't look big > enough in LxW dimensions. > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 07:06:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B791140526 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:06:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BE04041E for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:06:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([12.162.141.2]) by p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id pp5M1l00903JK1Y01p5Nqn; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:05:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:05:13 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Removed wainscoting, now outlet box sticks out Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've done a couple more complex things to cure this problem Use a moto-tool to trim off the box. You should also be able to get a hack saw blade in between the stud and the box and cut off the nails that hold the box in. Slide the box back and run screws or nails through the side of the box to hold the correct location. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Jim Franklin > My Google-fu is weak tonight. I removed some wainscoting and now the outlet > boxes stick out about 1/2". I'm looking for some spacers to add around the box > so the wall plate will sit flush and it will look ok. Have you heard of such a > thing? One site recommended the Wire-mould spacers but they didn't look big > enough in LxW dimensions. > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 18 08:12:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56EB40568 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:12:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A9840417 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pniR1l0040vyq2s56qBQCS; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:11:24 +0000 Received: from sz0180.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pqBQ1l01E2xV5no3RqBQTE; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:11:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:11:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Tom & Marge FitzGibbon To: Pat Horne s=q20121106; t=1371564684; bh=h/2nVea0Omo4OR5avXzRpWSmi795Mc9XBO+/gurE/Bg=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=RuwyvQCV+rClahgv/GPCcKgJzE0ssQsk6SxQXsAMQxwVHfRb3m8yqtpD1S/SA+hC6 t6qUiaRk71tdsYmZAML0Gfntpzf32iJgcwUXGAf7o68h30TLfMaO85eX1ozVSRp000 sCXTPSQ/8rpqXA+T+t2l8GVnp4Wqv3PAqmALiC6RdAJdWBCBEpxs/hPO+CotakgoPM HjgabYxiZRuEdWkQERB+3z1foeCl/85D+/nCeghu157fKCUAVIhViw3wEGiy3lSdZ+ p8GkBnMj1Ix79nRmnRnMJWiwfa7k/FR+argvlvnoMeVV3gBLm+KyxjD6iN15oNBBGP avJMy0/zNZ3TA== Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Removed wainscoting, now outlet box sticks out Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you really don't want to mess with the boxes, depending on the room you can use 1/2 inch boards about 1-1/2 inches wide (or some other width that looks good) around the outlet box. Paint the boards either the wall color or the trim color depending on the look. I wouldn't recommend this for a formal living room or dining room, but for a casual den, basement or garage it is fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Horne" To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:05:13 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Removed wainscoting, now outlet box sticks out I've done a couple more complex things to cure this problem Use a moto-tool to trim off the box. You should also be able to get a hack saw blade in between the stud and the box and cut off the nails that hold the box in. Slide the box back and run screws or nails through the side of the box to hold the correct location. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Jim Franklin > My Google-fu is weak tonight. I removed some wainscoting and now the outlet > boxes stick out about 1/2". I'm looking for some spacers to add around the box > so the wall plate will sit flush and it will look ok. Have you heard of such a > thing? One site recommended the Wire-mould spacers but they didn't look big > enough in LxW dimensions. > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 20 19:24:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AB64040C for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515AF403F2 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFDE68C05D for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:19:54 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=C8bWk9okggOJOPcelzkRRAD4BkE=; b=dhP+AcsDzNR5 FHyGT9SQugH2Sna/mouJfFnk+edfKZs1ko+y8HsIy7/lGIwUg/q6vKwyWu28Ta5I KZ/wxs2Br2/BadjjhLuRtxF2j5yvBNXw2uygHH3caQ1A8dD1RL1y4Wz36gBBQ3QS L7bXr4AUahwpWcIJ+w4wizTqJIhTCD0= Received: from aarora-d520.india.int.com (pool-mnat.min.navisite.com [216.251.225.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 235E768C058 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:19:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:19:52 -0400 References: To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Removed wainscoting, now outlet box sticks out Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Jun 17, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > I removed some wainscoting and now the outlet > boxes stick out about 1/2". As much as I initially didn't want to mess with removing the boxes, it only took me a very unexpected 5 minutes to cut the nails from the old one and insert new ones. SO much easier than anything else in this house... Thanks! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 13:05:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E413D403BC for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB6840322 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id tv201l00h4VKuxU01v210Z; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:02:01 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:02:03 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Spindle Sander question: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ibve never owned a spindle sander but I have a need for a similar tool, but without the oscillating feature. Ibm trying to mount a leather burnishing tool (3/8b steel shaft) vertically with a flat work surface. Does anyone know if there are bench-top oscillating spindle sanders out there where the oscillating feature can be removed or defeated? Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 13:19:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9757240433 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nexicom.net (barracuda1.nexicom.net [216.168.96.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A984540322 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:15:52 -0600 (MDT) x-ip-name=76.75.113.155; Received: from CAD (unverified [76.75.113.155]) by nexicom.net (SurgeMail 6.4a) with ESMTP id 413449450-1712458 for multiple; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:15:40 -0400 From: "Doug Armstrong" To: "'Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA'" , "'Shop Talk List'" References: <1E235786289A47EBBE5ADA8701955883@StevePC> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:15:37 -0400 thread-index: Ac50MnMvfp1rbn4BSCiz8v+hvsX9xgAAUAPQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spindle Sander question: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Why not use a drill press and make up a work surface? Doug Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 3:02 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Spindle Sander question: Ibve never owned a spindle sander but I have a need for a similar tool, but without the oscillating feature. Ibm trying to mount a leather burnishing tool (3/8b steel shaft) vertically with a flat work surface. Does anyone know if there are bench-top oscillating spindle sanders out there where the oscillating feature can be removed or defeated? Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darmstrong@nexicom.net ----- No virus found in this message. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6431 - Release Date: 06/22/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 13:19:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19FF40511 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:19:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D163F403C8 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id tvK61l00D4VKuxU01vK6ST; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:19:07 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Doug Armstrong" , "'Shop Talk List'" References: <1E235786289A47EBBE5ADA8701955883@StevePC> <4102A3729FAC4FE088C4B4B6EF3F89D6@CAD> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:19:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spindle Sander question: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Good question, but I have two answers 1. Drill press is dedicated to drilling 2. Drill presses are not designed for side loading. Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: Doug Armstrong Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:15 PM To: 'Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA' ; 'Shop Talk List' Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] Spindle Sander question: Why not use a drill press and make up a work surface? Doug Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 3:02 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Spindle Sander question: Ibve never owned a spindle sander but I have a need for a similar tool, but without the oscillating feature. Ibm trying to mount a leather burnishing tool (3/8b steel shaft) vertically with a flat work surface. Does anyone know if there are bench-top oscillating spindle sanders out there where the oscillating feature can be removed or defeated? Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darmstrong@nexicom.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3204/6447 - Release Date: 06/28/13 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6431 - Release Date: 06/22/13 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3204/6447 - Release Date: 06/28/13 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of wlEmoticon-smile[1].png] _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 14:06:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC6E403BC for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:06:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E5F400A5 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:02:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.246]) by out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 28 Jun 2013 20:02:04 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay03.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 19EDA940ED; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:02:06 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" References: <1E235786289A47EBBE5ADA8701955883@StevePC> Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spindle Sander question: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My dad made a non-oscillating spindle sander using an old appliance motor on end with a work table attached to it. He put the sanding drums normally used on drill presses on it and it worked fine. He used it for both wood and stained glass. As for side loading a drill press jacobs chuck, yes, if you were trying to use if for a milling or mortising machine it would be less than ideal, but I wouldn't think burnishing leather would stress the components that much. And, as mentioned above, thousands (if not more) drum sanding attachments have been sold for drill press use without any problems. Another option would be to get a cheap harbor freight drill press, or a used one on Craigslist. On 6/28/2013 12:02 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: > Ibve never owned a spindle sander but I have a need for > a similar tool, but without the oscillating feature. Ibm trying > to mount a leather burnishing tool (3/8b steel shaft) vertically > with a flat work surface. Does anyone know if there are bench-top > oscillating spindle sanders out there where the oscillating feature > can be removed or defeated? > Thanks. > > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 15:22:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62474403FA for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDF940322 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=Xe5tlYIrcgIA:10 a=jYiuxKYfAAAA:8 a=K6KyMxbCop_Y0Sk90tsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=EO5g_NRrUooA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:33070] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id E1/C0-05415-93DFDC15; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 21:16:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 21:16:41 +0000 From: Randall To: 'Shop Talk List' Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spindle Sander question: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Doug Armstrong wrote: > Why not use a drill press and make up a work surface? If you do that, be very certain to arrange things so nothing is hurt when the Jacobs taper holding the chuck to the spindle lets go and drops the chuck. BTDT I was lucky, it could have been much worse. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 17:12:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C68403E6 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:12:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E9F403A8 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:12:31 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ls0aW3YrKJVUI9XZu5pajwarK7kUOB+Ai6c8ROi2xStZPgSL1B0ahdPMEjRDfvBu; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.6.13.40] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UshqA-00052e-Ic; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:12:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:10:59 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" References: <1E235786289A47EBBE5ADA8701955883@StevePC> Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spindle Sander question: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Steve - I understand the concern about the chuck in a drill press as I've also had one come off. How about a wood stand and band clamping an electric drill to it. Harbor Freight has a couple variable speed ones under $20, so I wouldn't really care about the side loading. Just make sure the trigger lock is variable if not running at top speed is a concern. Brian On 6/28/2013 12:02 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: > Ibve never owned a spindle sander but I have a need for > a similar tool, but without the oscillating feature. Ibm trying > to mount a leather burnishing tool (3/8b steel shaft) vertically > with a flat work surface. Does anyone know if there are bench-top > oscillating spindle sanders out there where the oscillating feature > can be removed or defeated? > Thanks. > > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 18:04:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED415403F4 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B7D403A8 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:04:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id u0491l0054VKuxU01049VW; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:04:10 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" References: <1E235786289A47EBBE5ADA8701955883@StevePC> <51CE1803.9060701@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:04:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spindle Sander question: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everybody for all the suggestions. However, this is not an attempt to do something on the cheap nor is it a one-time use. I need something that is strong and sturdy and good for long term use. The ideal item could be a non-oscillating spindle sander. The home use model would do fine and have the correct rotational speeds for sanding/burnishing. Just need to get rid of the oscillating feature... ...which was the original question. Another alternative is going with a bench-top spindle shaper. I would have to use one that I can change the pulley sizes to reduce the speed range down to around 1100 rpm. So, to get back to my original question: Does anyone know if there is an oscillating spindle sander that can be made into a non-oscillating model? Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 18:26:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19C84040B for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35428403A8 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:26:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([12.162.141.2]) by p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id u0ST1l00G03JK1Y010STfp; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:26:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:26:21 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1E235786289A47EBBE5ADA8701955883@StevePC> <51CE1803.9060701@earthlink.net> <12D70C70D73C4C34917F6CDD938D3A12@StevePC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spindle Sander question: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Rigid EB4424 says it has both oscillating and "rotary motion", which may mean a non-oscillating configuration Delta SA350k doesn't say it is an oscillating sander, but some of the poor reviews indicate that the oscillation feature stops when a nylon gear strips!! Peace, Pat Thusly spake Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA > Thanks everybody for all the suggestions. However, this is not an > attempt to do something on the cheap nor is it a one-time use. I > need something that is strong and sturdy and good for long term use. > The ideal item could be a non-oscillating spindle sander. The home > use model would do fine and have the correct rotational speeds for > sanding/burnishing. Just need to get rid of the oscillating feature... > ...which was the original question. Another alternative is going with > a bench-top spindle shaper. I would have to use one that I can change > the pulley sizes to reduce the speed range down to around 1100 rpm. > So, to get back to my original question: Does anyone know if there is > an oscillating spindle sander that can be made into a non-oscillating > model? > > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 28 22:00:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736FB403C6 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:00:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BD5403B2 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 21:55:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.drteeth.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC6BF3939 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMDHexaCore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5991DF3937 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:30:53 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke References: <51CE1803.9060701@earthlink.net> <1E235786289A47EBBE5ADA8701955883@StevePC> <51CE1803.9060701@earthlink.net> localhost.drteeth.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Spindle Sander question: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I found this homemade spindle sander: If you don't want it to oscillate, then what you need is really nothing more than a motor mounted in a box. Rather than figuring out how to mount & wire up a motor - how about taking a small bench grinder, turning it 90deg and mounting it in a box similar to the above link? The trick in either case is matching up the motor shaft to whatever arbor/chuck works with the burnishing tools you use. You may have to weld up an adapter to make it work. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 412,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 30 19:36:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFC3403D9 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8576A40078 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4463A1419 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:31:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 19:31:26 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: shop-talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Team.Net minor web update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Finally! Many years after the switch from majordomo to mailman, the web page http://www.team.net/tn-mail.html finally has current, useable information. Imagine that! It is just a start, though, there is SO much more to update on the site. But with record breaking heat here in Salt Lake City I'd rather be in my cool basement dungeon than out in the very warm garage, perhaps updating Team.Net will be happening at more than a glacial pace. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive