From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 13:26:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E4142A73 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:26:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from haybaler.sackheads.org (haybaler.sackheads.org [140.186.190.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408B14247A for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 13:07:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) by haybaler.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF30928666 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 15:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haybaler.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (haybaler.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IFYWNgPpMN8q for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 15:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by haybaler.sackheads.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91D03285A9; Wed, 1 May 2013 15:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 15:06:07 -0400 From: Jimmie Mayfield To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 09:03:17PM -0700, Mark Miller wrote: > Convince me I need to fix the Echo and use a real tool. Eh, use whatever gets the job done with the least amount of trouble. I have a Stihl brushcutter that I use for clearing out fence rows on my parents' farm. It's well-built and has seen a lot of use. It's also loud, heavy and when I'm done, I smell like 2-cycle exhaust. I also have a Troy-bilt electric trimmer. It doesn't leak, it's (relatively) quiet, it always starts when I pull the trigger and winterizing it consists of hanging it on a hook. Guess which one gets used if I'm anywhere near a power outlet... (Another thing that gets used a *lot* on the farm is a string trimmer on two-wheels. Uses a 6.5hp lawn mower engine and it'll go through just about anything. Things that would require me to mount a blade to the brushcutter don't faze this guy. It'll cut through reeds and corn with the engine idling. If it were less bulky, I'd probably ditch the Stihl entirely) JM _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 1 17:37:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED7E42ACB for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 17:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B7440324 for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 17:17:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130501231548.GGTN14810.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Wed, 1 May 2013 19:15:48 -0400 Received: from Blackie ([72.209.198.214]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id WnFk1l00V4e2Beo01nFnLB; Wed, 01 May 2013 19:15:47 -0400 a=z+JOQeSqIXLCGjBsmWTDRw==:17 a=0nve4pJHj8oA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=q5A9zOrCaxgA:10 a=5qBx5jW6i66HSmXCkoAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=z+JOQeSqIXLCGjBsmWTDRw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Mullen" To: References: Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 19:15:49 -0400 Thread-Index: AQKsxdZvhyf3BvjA6Yh612LiLw+yWZcz9yoQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mark Miller wrote: > > > Ok. So my Echo string trimmer was acting up. Seemed like a fuel problem; > it would start but not run well, stall out, and needed the throttle and > choke played with to keep it going. This is going to sound silly, but my trimmer acted like this once. When taking it apart to fix it, I took off the air filter and housing, and discovered that bolts that held the carb to the engine were a bit loose. Tightened those, put the filter back on, and everything worked just fine. Tim Mullen _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 08:48:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD3F42995 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 08:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC1042975 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 08:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D114F806B for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 07:29:18 -0700 (PDT) :from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=lne.com; bh=noNQZmCR+ 2c71OjDSGpyy3Bue6Q=; b=bvsJkz1R2o4Kzrq9izOrtjWcAxW1rqmCaYA8seorW Z66dkweAMmTKdFCH2RWvFQIktsAStVrdpRshnAY8VD3xaWYG9N6NhPKsAfFUjvcf 4rpwLrMz98zC9WCiFqg2TRgowFXBJg7xpJW90aaO4zvhleA+L3tW9zrcpXPMRWtd j8= Received: from [192.168.15.113] (unknown [12.7.169.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ericm@lne.com) by homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D4CD34F806A for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 07:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 07:29:17 -0700 From: Eric Murray User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20130501190607.GA80220@sackheads.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 05/01/2013 12:06 PM, Jimmie Mayfield wrote: > when I'm done, I smell like 2-cycle exhaust. Get some Redline twostroke oil. I prefer their Allsport for power equipment (I also used it in my trials motorcycles). It's a low deposit synthetic oil, made for applications like outboard motors which may have to idle for a long time without fouling a plug and still handle a WFO run back to the dock for beer. It is not that expensive. But the great thing about Redline twostroke oils, besides lubricating well, is that they make the exhaust smell good. Not like unicorn farts or strawberries, but like castor based two-stroke oils. It makes weed whacking smell like the race track without the eye watering race gas. I started using in trials bikes because in trials you do a lot of low speed riding and often practice the same obstacle over and over, so you get to smell your exhaust. And when competing you sometimes wait in a line of a few bikes. The Motul I had been using made the exhaust smell nasty and other competitors complained. You'll still smell like exhaust but you won't mind so much. Eric _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 10:40:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FE242B28 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 10:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0A3425B7 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 10:22:50 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 12:06:08 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/02/2013 12:06:11, Serialize complete at 05/02/2013 12:06:11 Subject: [Shop-talk] Toughest EE question ever asked here. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, it's a stretch to say this is shop related, but IF I can get it to work, it will be lots of 'cred' for me at work! 8>) I work at a building that requires proximity cards at just about every door. That means lots of swiping all day long. Of course everyone wears their card around their neck or on little pull chains. I put mine in my wallet. The system we have is made by http://www.amerisys.com/ Here is the question. I would love to be able to put my card in my cell phone case and just use that to swipe the readers. Problem... The phone interferes with the reader's ability to read the card. In fact, if I put a piece of aluminum foil behind the card (and my phone is no where near it), the reader can't read it. I've also tried a product like this http://www.idstronghold.com/Secure-Sleeve-for-Passports-IDSH1002-001-/productinfo/IDSH1002-001/ . But if I have that *behind* the card (meaning not between the card and reader) it still doesn't read the card. So, to the question, What can I put between my cell phone and card to make the card reader still see the card? It needs to be thin. If someone can get me the answer, I'll make a donation to autox.team.net in their name! I know there are EE's out there that can answer this. Thanks! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 11:10:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4DF42B25 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 11:10:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C5F42AE8 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 10:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id X17i1l00M0cQ2SLA14kqTl; Thu, 02 May 2013 16:44:50 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id X4kp1l00v2xZMJ48W4kpdR; Thu, 02 May 2013 16:44:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 16:44:49 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: eric@megageek.com s=q20121106; t=1367513090; bh=ywIYWpwAFuZ/rXORUzH+q0noZstbt4D5HJosq2eaxpU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Fra26KCmhGA0rqzjDT9AfJN02TBJ65s8zJaOftWYgFnx6QqJq5pqYORGQUHhQcbAd SwtFr71BmofcC85mj2UiggNXzKjwL1RRlS+cqx9EW6bEvfB9FQeH2dxTJ+up52iGvn JUQzFJ8CAik9Wy6jbtWeyfkYfGp6FxaFaJLw+L+6FB1XK+36C5Yicdee9msuiK5v91 +OkIvLC2yzk8vAcyt23DYXvDDkv5d5JdSDnoetk3w22gu/kSZSZAGsI++hihbn/ub1 x1drDklf32VPzZneS2hDj9txoXwlBTkDByIGfykLRZoZ/WadnRG507HItCQgIEgaM+ feODyBVeFAHmQ== Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toughest EE question ever asked here. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Can't figure that one out. A piece of aluminum foil keeps my office key and bus pass separated just fine. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: eric@megageek.com > To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 11:06:08 AM > Subject: [Shop-talk] Toughest EE question ever asked here. > OK, it's a stretch to say this is shop related, but IF I can get it to > work, it will be lots of 'cred' for me at work! 8>) > > I work at a building that requires proximity cards at just about every > door. That means lots of swiping all day long. Of course everyone > wears > their card around their neck or on little pull chains. I put mine in > my > wallet. > > The system we have is made by http://www.amerisys.com/ > > Here is the question. I would love to be able to put my card in my > cell > phone case and just use that to swipe the readers. Problem... > > The phone interferes with the reader's ability to read the card. In > fact, > if I put a piece of aluminum foil behind the card (and my phone is no > where near it), the reader can't read it. > > I've also tried a product like this > http://www.idstronghold.com/Secure-Sleeve-for-Passports-IDSH1002-001-/productinfo/IDSH1002-001/ > . > > But if I have that *behind* the card (meaning not between the card and > reader) it still doesn't read the card. > > So, to the question, What can I put between my cell phone and card to > make > the card reader still see the card? It needs to be thin. > > If someone can get me the answer, I'll make a donation to > autox.team.net > in their name! > > I know there are EE's out there that can answer this. > > Thanks! > > Eric P _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 11:54:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF9942B57 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 11:54:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ibis.arvixe.com (ibis.arvixe.com [50.97.138.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BD94052E for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 11:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c-98-212-104-64.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([98.212.104.64]:65478 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by ibis.arvixe.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UXxIQ-0006E2-W9 for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 02 May 2013 10:27:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 12:27:56 -0500 From: Matt Wehland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1172399706.638936.1367513089933.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> with any abuse report paulyd@pennyantepub.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toughest EE question ever asked here. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've always said that the sensors should be a little below hip level so you can just wave your butt at them, with the card in your wallet. Then you can open doors with your hands full. I've been in places where that works. It was nice. Then others that placed the sensor higher so you have to pull your wallet out all the time. The most fun I had was one time I had misplaced (left it 1000 miles away) a card, got a replacement then later ended up with both of them in my wallet. Swiping would work some times and not others, frustrated me for days until I went to HR to have my card checked out and found I had 2 of them in my wallet, one active and one not. No real solution for you here, sorry. Matt On 5/2/2013 11:44 AM, pethier@comcast.net wrote: > Can't figure that one out. A piece of aluminum foil keeps my office key and bus pass separated just fine. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier@comcast.net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica > http://www.mnautox.com > http://www.mntriumphs.org > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: eric@megageek.com >> To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net >> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 11:06:08 AM >> Subject: [Shop-talk] Toughest EE question ever asked here. >> OK, it's a stretch to say this is shop related, but IF I can get it to >> work, it will be lots of 'cred' for me at work! 8>) >> >> I work at a building that requires proximity cards at just about every >> door. That means lots of swiping all day long. Of course everyone >> wears >> their card around their neck or on little pull chains. I put mine in >> my >> wallet. >> >> The system we have is made by http://www.amerisys.com/ >> >> Here is the question. I would love to be able to put my card in my >> cell >> phone case and just use that to swipe the readers. Problem... >> >> The phone interferes with the reader's ability to read the card. In >> fact, >> if I put a piece of aluminum foil behind the card (and my phone is no >> where near it), the reader can't read it. >> >> I've also tried a product like this >> http://www.idstronghold.com/Secure-Sleeve-for-Passports-IDSH1002-001-/productinfo/IDSH1002-001/ >> . >> >> But if I have that *behind* the card (meaning not between the card and >> reader) it still doesn't read the card. >> >> So, to the question, What can I put between my cell phone and card to >> make >> the card reader still see the card? It needs to be thin. >> >> If someone can get me the answer, I'll make a donation to >> autox.team.net >> in their name! >> >> I know there are EE's out there that can answer this. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Eric P > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mjw@littlegrassy.com > > -- Matt Wehland (815) 295-4533 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 12:45:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A66E42B61 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 12:45:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-da0-f54.google.com (mail-da0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458BF42B41 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 12:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-da0-f54.google.com with SMTP id u36so426105dak.41 for ; Thu, 02 May 2013 11:13:18 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=/fNkneXrrx/ezNzxxO/slGp/ZMhSnR6oBtLhXEg32OM=; b=YFukGeQtpRY5Wf8El2R9g6GGOTG18Qd4qzCFVEnYMA2sndZ3GrZUCetvc898Sa51Ie +YwbARuQhyl2tiFNMZjac0FuJ0gcsrCXscXVj4XP4VoekRMJdJIDnz9AnRqP1X359Qq0 VF9RenEGKJWktCRTLLlvY9XsP2MWAt1jy0AzdULSuAMPbbDJryZaC0Mh2FjyfD9AYaSl rSTGEkhoNCIyI8eD0rEgX/2NsvHDzx8jxVu0iGdrOI0uiJ8Uwuf2dSeRyHM8jm0DkxjD JT05S6JVa5sp242cyMyZFjCzmyXpS7IDqx9zHjiO4pdTpc4Q7zXKYqm20/2nOQV/5wXu jkjA== xj8mr11060750pab.3.1367518398316; Thu, 02 May 2013 11:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.2.5 with HTTP; Thu, 2 May 2013 11:13:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <1172399706.638936.1367513089933.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <5182A21C.8040808@littlegrassy.com> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 14:13:18 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Matt Wehland Cc: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toughest EE question ever asked here. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This situation has been described very well in a musical number in a stage show I saw a few years ago: http://vimeo.com/9282524 Doug On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Matt Wehland wrote: > I've always said that the sensors should be a little below hip level so > you can just wave your butt at them, with the card in your wallet. > Then you can open doors with your hands full. > I've been in places where that works. It was nice. > Then others that placed the sensor higher so you have to pull your wallet > out all the time. > The most fun I had was one time I had misplaced (left it 1000 miles away) > a card, got a replacement then later ended up with both of them in my > wallet. > Swiping would work some times and not others, frustrated me for days until > I went to HR to have my card checked out and found I had 2 of them in my > wallet, one active and one not. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 13:13:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB79842B75 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 13:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C8E42537 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 12:53:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id X6iy1l0071HpZEsAF6rvJ2; Thu, 02 May 2013 18:51:55 +0000 Received: from sz0054.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id X6ru1l00d2yr1eL8a6ruRB; Thu, 02 May 2013 18:51:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 18:51:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob Spidell To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net, eric@megageek.com s=q20121106; t=1367520715; bh=4E7y+sQ1Cmp5xRpBQ7ntg/IsOuU6CMqzHfE4ta404bk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=m96B76HIlvj7A7TwQndvieEg5bwO2mDo2ZXChP55EsyQ2i/rxqtYdmuIDFhcYMMnb 2i7CaM3ZuqI5OxlJl/LeLYpT58G6DVDAozYaA/ZEde+K03Qp/XA68jyf9+fqY4boRL BbeKavcS0CB0bVjyz4GkCmWzQqkTVrQQ0bPYWAZteC6Uxa1wD4HyhIplUHp8mNJgbQ sJPfo0BYGIAe90h1nnqmEeFui4oOqfZf1RWXQ0lbweKgPWUAczQ/+sIwlLsVuB/GKI yTLYQ15bEBC+S+I6PE3NFeV4bbYZ9dRyK8m/daOqkmD7IAVan0hw7zcvOqZ7+ZKWos mXshInEPSsg+w== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toughest EE question ever asked here. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Most of the modern proxcards are the 'electrostatic' type. The sensor energizes a transponder circuit in the card and it transmits back the key code. A cellphone in proximity might overwhelm the transponder. Bob -------------------------------- Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: pethier@comcast.net To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:44:49 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toughest EE question ever asked here. Can't figure that one out. A piece of aluminum foil keeps my office key and bus pass separated just fine. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 13:28:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5832340066 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 13:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB39142B99 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 13:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id un3so775650obb.8 for ; Thu, 02 May 2013 12:12:41 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LL5CV0d7SuzrC7AO4oikcJLoJNFK7/ZK8beW0hFJ7MI=; b=ZpHU9P3dZMSsPjvUcYQJeVcOu2N6tRacgGjFigRBGEIuUUuRdncjZuuX7YSahktPNi dhBWwnBslkNEW6nVGlcAgvp3wb+vFexxM56yHiP/FcLzBWpA/ipv7+RnU+nbbFg/XwRG gV0TZn/gILM8vt9efBwL9b+h2k5KytBxySu0UPMPj7S/AOJ3d91IUYKedr17X/wLHXNE hPgZasVZ5P89IIphiWHHMHsOCe9CC8DfIp/XDd8xtI3u99nQ/f9M97nNNp9P1QV6aFF7 H+D5CKRPKRySO78egM5z96nqgoa7uHiXgaol2OKtwSqxyoxrqbuuI5fsXhdD54X0v810 nLXA== a6mr2205504oes.22.1367521961672; Thu, 02 May 2013 12:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-203-101-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. [71.203.101.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nt17sm1636539obb.13.2013.05.02.12.12.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 02 May 2013 12:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 15:12:40 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toughest EE question ever asked here. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, the only good answer for this I've ever seen is to replace the system with one that can deal with phones. When my firm built a new office they went with fey fobs that could handle phones just fine. Of course they couldn't stay functional on their own for more than a day or two at a clip, but when they worked, phones were no problem. Of all the systems at clients' offices I've ever seen, it seems to be just as arbitrary--some are rock solid and will work no matter what, all the time, such that I wonder if they doors are just on a generic proximity sensor and the cards are just placebos, while others might work once, if that. My solution is to do away with the things unless you really do happen to work in an industry that needs them. They're one of those 'progress' things and feels more like regression. An architectural firm doesn't have any state secrets in its file room, much less its foyer. On 5/2/2013 12:06 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, it's a stretch to say this is shop related, but IF I can get it to > work, it will be lots of 'cred' for me at work! 8>) > > I work at a building that requires proximity cards at just about every > door. That means lots of swiping all day long. Of course everyone wears > their card around their neck or on little pull chains. I put mine in my > wallet. > > The system we have is made by http://www.amerisys.com/ > > Here is the question. I would love to be able to put my card in my cell > phone case and just use that to swipe the readers. Problem... > > The phone interferes with the reader's ability to read the card. In fact, > if I put a piece of aluminum foil behind the card (and my phone is no > where near it), the reader can't read it. > > I've also tried a product like this > http://www.idstronghold.com/Secure-Sleeve-for-Passports-IDSH1002-001-/productinfo/IDSH1002-001/ > . > > But if I have that *behind* the card (meaning not between the card and > reader) it still doesn't read the card. > > So, to the question, What can I put between my cell phone and card to make > the card reader still see the card? It needs to be thin. > > If someone can get me the answer, I'll make a donation to autox.team.net > in their name! > > I know there are EE's out there that can answer this. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 14:31:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36FC42BD8 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 14:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1850342998 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 14:10:41 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=jamZ1KHsXK8A:10 a=CPetbGdbAAAA:8 a=guu8GoY7f841yDdWlAkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=JrCkFRqNP04A:10 a=ZvV6OBnqE_9wJV1X:21 a=WamPghCgyzomgU8z:21 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:35859] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id CA/77-25887-3D7C2815; Thu, 02 May 2013 20:08:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 20:08:51 +0000 From: Randall To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toughest EE question ever asked here. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Matt Wehland wrote: > I've always said that the sensors should be a little below hip level so > you can just wave your butt at them, with the card in your wallet. I know one reason that might not be a good idea. A previous employer had them at butt level and used them to track when we were in the building (and what building). I always kept my card in my hip pocket (although I pulled it out for use). A large percentage of the time, the incoming reader would trigger on the card in my jeans as I walked out through the turnstile. Then when the next person came in, the system would log that I had come back in, rather than the other person. The system didn't allow more than one to go in or out on the same card, so when that person then tried to leave, the system wouldn't let them! Lots of confusion, which I found thoroughly amusing. I quickly learned to lean over the turnstile, wave my card at the reader on the other side, then turn it in (so the system thought I just came in), so then it would let me out. The guards looked at me funny, but had no procedure that said I couldn't do that, so they never objected. Of course, the problem would have been a lot more serious if there hadn't been a guard to override the system (or no way to lean over and trigger the other reader). Just for grins, I tried my current card with it held tightly to my cell phone. Still works solidly with the phone on the outside of the card, and even sometimes with the phone between the reader and card! And they aren't just proximity detectors, because some doors around here won't open for me. (I'm not authorized to be on the roof, for example.) So far, the only failures I've seen have been pretty obvious, like when one of the readers filled with rain water or several months after the card delaminated (from the constant flexing when I sit on it). Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 20:46:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1848B42C5B for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 20:46:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.210]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CA042BA5 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 20:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 02:36:47 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.158] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 02:36:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 02:36:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367548607; bh=v8GuFkdxOnLKFQ6gh0BwYmBSlneyeZTqqW8U5+xVMA8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=WRXgvsF5RrwVnHX0XzeM+aN2FPH+frG4dfxMfoJ/8hlzE8Cv+xIWbVSis34r0LNen6zx6qEhtmM6fRO6fdiWTQ5Bl7KV6BVf2I1/sEEvYIrkTwL5RxrvgXKV2Nf9/oboBXfhQCDcM58pbI2+F9mAvrFNNdkcs20PBe9c4Cx6RlY= 8ZUMoGrBOjvMMuB38.7UVD3uaCJ4zeDcoeLEFLSyWBLpkWRHXALhSv0ilWzh _5El6QG6f1mthCQrKiyMdpvj45erU2CYQhHHRbhpfo4nDCRXmWS9Fsi2gUeC LDzgEBg_OGE2HldDnXi5l88BUthakm0SEZ3SKk8XOV3AEjtgUXDSIZa5HwSG eK4gQXUMVMrtE9.j1gHbcFUnZQdIIGWcjrTpBTv.xjGMl29GfPLJCGMRD3n1 7Iy97_Ue2W6Zl78NScH.kOwCyghTxDADnYaHXBdORBCwfzQZDIiRqs8elZRa JcnrUtmhGfqT3SM4j27AJpTUhmiyE4ZvxJ9J8kggkr_y6543EVVzEfS5_rLU AYiQKDrfnc4myP7Ao4CzXZqqfUxbnhbTApfACKZmX2shMNdWgiuooC5.Es_z 5_efw3RISwj5O1BXw8MZ3XcO7.o56hgOU.X4wS98PdA6D5XfRi3iHlof59QP IUJhRaGohdsl4EHXIa31_SQFxkm4yLS8GwLVsOm051352_TYBSEy.n8DWNOw G4AFwpH4.RioUlGmXbVBV6LBXKTwS_Y599GEQPBsjj64PumgCBwmxk7O3UpY XuuEUlz0jnj_vTGHzP2_syqVnVSRcFagk125laCPt5HNO591agK__TY6kHNB p3ooun_mz smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 May 2013 02:36:47 +0000 UTC From: "Jack Brooks" To: References: Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 19:36:54 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5HU5/ZduvR6RbfQM+wuGG+qfPB4gAUqvdA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Toughest EE question ever asked here. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I keep my "swipe" card in my wallet and hip-check the door sensor. Jack -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of eric@megageek.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 9:06 AM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Toughest EE question ever asked here. OK, it's a stretch to say this is shop related, but IF I can get it to work, it will be lots of 'cred' for me at work! 8>) I work at a building that requires proximity cards at just about every door. That means lots of swiping all day long. Of course everyone wears their card around their neck or on little pull chains. I put mine in my wallet. The system we have is made by http://www.amerisys.com/ Here is the question. I would love to be able to put my card in my cell phone case and just use that to swipe the readers. Problem... The phone interferes with the reader's ability to read the card. In fact, if I put a piece of aluminum foil behind the card (and my phone is no where near it), the reader can't read it. I've also tried a product like this http://www.idstronghold.com/Secure-Sleeve-for-Passports-IDSH1002-001-/produc tinfo/IDSH1002-001/ . But if I have that *behind* the card (meaning not between the card and reader) it still doesn't read the card. So, to the question, What can I put between my cell phone and card to make the card reader still see the card? It needs to be thin. If someone can get me the answer, I'll make a donation to autox.team.net in their name! I know there are EE's out there that can answer this. Thanks! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 2 20:47:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A200942BBC for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 20:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544EE42BA5 for ; Thu, 2 May 2013 20:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 02:42:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.158] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 02:42:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 May 2013 02:42:02 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367548922; bh=EZmwTS3pHvXVMvYbzgorh5LGXIFkWvt1VqrX8DQLta0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=FSfV9DjApdNGUzwiO9iZJ2i+QFLnRAo5f7jvhcFYH1dGuqzqBmcieBLedO2T2bUR3ktzB1FkIoCRNPpwGAnJ+OjjU1dzWh4GLMD2fmzguLYuC9S/6PBauB27VQ6lsOfm0/U8h2/GMPmZ2NmcFjy23zZ5hou0yjRhhgKu6wGV1/U= r_mQnrohkoqDP7Y2VYFwt94RZ_3Ba67iCPfzjAs0O_ER3OUh5yGf5PMpFmab y0uCqQmxCT6f8wp_L92g1EpfBfWUS3g100L_PAgU8UibWEjbcoVplwGPC8Xg jMK_oKpruiToKLCM4Vx8CdV3jj0P5UDnOeQKxRm2IbK6wYkGPl2Ioz0X1Q6q 4cj4gJLQCEmOzA.w3.fqPp4xyDEGJb9Fu.2TuuIxxws7q7t2guPzu4OuTx7f EPjve2xKJIwUYqYG14fU5PstOPuTVgu4z99wPv04lg5nu6Xadlq.hAucubLu 7cxkZU7SzoEj1GCbfkJvf9tDvc19p2pbQC9pyS0gYVzYjWyaG0ArQFfiZZx. _1Y78Jr_RtHeUYEWr.Y0OzO7aXSNIoyosuJCl2s55atNW7aY8KB0dVYVRxcU icU65.vGW4rsQMJCafzq_T2_6VOg.IJIiNGbuOuy.Nw-- smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 May 2013 02:42:02 +0000 UTC From: "Jack Brooks" To: References: <20130501190607.GA80220@sackheads.org> <5182783D.6010906@lne.com> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 19:42:10 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5HQ9RF0nIz/Ob9TRC1nh45GAswygAYj6eg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net +1 on Redline synthetic two stroke oil. It's all I use. Jack -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Eric Murray Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:29 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong On 05/01/2013 12:06 PM, Jimmie Mayfield wrote: > when I'm done, I smell like 2-cycle exhaust. Get some Redline twostroke oil. I prefer their Allsport for power equipment (I also used it in my trials motorcycles). It's a low deposit synthetic oil, made for applications like outboard motors which may have to idle for a long time without fouling a plug and still handle a WFO run back to the dock for beer. It is not that expensive. But the great thing about Redline twostroke oils, besides lubricating well, is that they make the exhaust smell good. Not like unicorn farts or strawberries, but like castor based two-stroke oils. It makes weed whacking smell like the race track without the eye watering race gas. I started using in trials bikes because in trials you do a lot of low speed riding and often practice the same obstacle over and over, so you get to smell your exhaust. And when competing you sometimes wait in a line of a few bikes. The Motul I had been using made the exhaust smell nasty and other competitors complained. You'll still smell like exhaust but you won't mind so much. Eric _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 3 06:06:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C750427E1 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 06:06:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C6F42540 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 05:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r43Brnlh061977 for ; Fri, 3 May 2013 07:53:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 07:53:43 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20130501190607.GA80220@sackheads.org> <5182783D.6010906@lne.com> <1BCE251E61ED423899E80E2C32C0E97C@EntCentPC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/2/2013 10:42 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: > +1 on Redline synthetic two stroke oil. It's all I use. > >> Get some Redline twostroke oil. I prefer their Allsport for power >> equipment (I also used it in my trials motorcycles). Another good alternative that may be a little cheaper: Yamaha's 2 stroke oil, "YamaLube" comes in "2S" for machines with oil injection pumps, and "2R" for pre-mix with gas. Started using it when I got my bike, and then tried it in the little power equipment, and was very pleased at the improvement. It's around $7 - $9/qt at bike shops that are Yamaha dealers, or mail order. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 12:36:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD941403DB for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:36:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB3B403BC for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:32:02 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 14:14:53 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/06/2013 14:14:57, Serialize complete at 05/06/2013 14:14:57 Subject: [Shop-talk] Easier EE question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, Since I'm out of luck for my other EE question, let me try an easier one. Note, not much shop content, but it does allow me to use tools, and it makes the SO happy. Anyway, I got a tanning bad for the SO. She only uses it to relax her muscles since her car accident. But here is the problem... The machine worked fine for a while (I got it used*) But now, when she starts it up, it trips the breaker. I called the company and the breaker size (and wiring) I ran was for the correct size (I think it was a 10% over max rating.) And since the machine worked fine for a while, what could be causing the extra current draw? (and more importantly, how do I find it?) Do I just try another breaker first? is there a way to measure it? Thanks. *= I got this unit used from someone who had it. They got rid of it because it 'sparked and made a loud noise.' When I got it home, turns out that one of the connectors had shorted. I fixed the connector and have been using it since. Thanks again Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 13:08:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1420D403E4 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 13:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f177.google.com (mail-ie0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A7D403B9 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 13:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 9so4332584iec.8 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 12:01:35 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=WeCwLwsnBJPOUL+UE3LZCQJZCfDjeBnEM6NJNauqoQc=; b=rb2+Rkam5jhOT76Hb5ZZCC6l56V+elE2lFudsX3L1vQ5mZaJUcqDowFIaD7l6sCr0x /kBLE8NQKEe0IjBIPePoDnbPGX2WsVMb9/btKgdv8ocWRZRyObZhi5dullRslF0hO7Zp krNAm4vmgNGtqthjcgQg/49r7rcDLNkcfTtflBmTpxVRogQXjdTmT/gdCJyAni8tG9g6 CLV1wsrZenVTAVAaQAGIEyX5GBW8gTU9NovmiOgVr5EeZJhXWqW5OYW5cWNXCkD/SPbz AmYTxIjc17YFmqm3TbjLgP69lIS5NJV8lufw4tsf+wLBwmKfYTAnt+C0xLJ6+Y/XMwNB qS4g== gy4mr2993392igb.89.1367866895653; Mon, 06 May 2013 12:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.152.175 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 12:01:35 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 15:01:35 -0400 From: Paul Parkanzky To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Easier EE question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I would definitely try a new breaker first, since they do fail (although not as frequently as they used to). If that doesn't work, you'll need somebody smarter than me to help you. -Paul On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM, wrote: > OK, Since I'm out of luck for my other EE question, let me try an easier > one. Note, not much shop content, but it does allow me to use tools, and > it makes the SO happy. > > Anyway, I got a tanning bad for the SO. She only uses it to relax her > muscles since her car accident. But here is the problem... > > The machine worked fine for a while (I got it used*) But now, when she > starts it up, it trips the breaker. I called the company and the breaker > size (and wiring) I ran was for the correct size (I think it was a 10% > over max rating.) > > And since the machine worked fine for a while, what could be causing the > extra current draw? (and more importantly, how do I find it?) > > Do I just try another breaker first? is there a way to measure it? > Thanks. > > > *= I got this unit used from someone who had it. They got rid of it > because it 'sparked and made a loud noise.' When I got it home, turns > out that one of the connectors had shorted. I fixed the connector and > have been using it since. > > Thanks again > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 14:09:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45223403F6 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 14:09:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33D44003F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 14:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([12.162.141.2]) by p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Yk2C1l00E03JK1Y01k2CqM; Mon, 06 May 2013 13:02:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 15:01:57 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Easier EE question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I agree, try a different breaker first. If you have a breaker of the same size (rating) in the breaker box, just steal it to check. There shouldn't be too much in electrics in the bed, so it is worth a shot. I suspect a timer, some fluorescent tubes with their ballasts and possibly some safety interlock switches. After the breaker I'd try disconnecting the ballasts from the input feed. There may be a plug in relay in the control box that can be unplugged to do this. If it still blows the breaker look a problem with the timer or input wiring. I the breaker holds, start connecting the ballasts one by one until the breaker trips. Leave the last added ballast disconnected and try connecting the rest one by one until you have all of them connected that don't cause the breaker to trip. At this point disconnect the output of the possibly defective ballast, then connect the input of the ballast and see if the breaker trips. If it trips you probably have a bad ballast. If it doesn't check the wiring between the ballast and the lights. We can take this off list if you like, just email me. Peace, Pat Thusly spake eric > OK, Since I'm out of luck for my other EE question, let me try an easier > one. Note, not much shop content, but it does allow me to use tools, and > it makes the SO happy. > > Anyway, I got a tanning bad for the SO. She only uses it to relax her > muscles since her car accident. But here is the problem... > > The machine worked fine for a while (I got it used*) But now, when she > starts it up, it trips the breaker. I called the company and the breaker > size (and wiring) I ran was for the correct size (I think it was a 10% > over max rating.) > > And since the machine worked fine for a while, what could be causing the > extra current draw? (and more importantly, how do I find it?) > > Do I just try another breaker first? is there a way to measure it? > Thanks. > > > *= I got this unit used from someone who had it. They got rid of it > because it 'sparked and made a loud noise.' When I got it home, turns > out that one of the connectors had shorted. I fixed the connector and > have been using it since. > > Thanks again > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 14:09:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5B5403FC for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 14:09:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150C14003F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 14:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A466B82F5 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 13:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.4.202] (unknown [66.201.49.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ericm@lne.com) by homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3569A6B82F3 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 13:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 13:02:22 -0700 From: Eric Murray User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20130501190607.GA80220@sackheads.org> <5182783D.6010906@lne.com> <1BCE251E61ED423899E80E2C32C0E97C@EntCentPC> <5183A547.4080708@xxiii.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 05/03/2013 04:53 AM, Wayne wrote: > > Another good alternative that may be a little cheaper: Yamaha's 2 > stroke oil, "YamaLube" comes in "2S" for machines with oil injection > pumps, and "2R" for pre-mix with gas. Started using it when I got my > bike, and then tried it in the little power equipment, and was very > pleased at the improvement. It's around $7 - $9/qt at bike shops that > are Yamaha dealers, or mail order. Yamalube is good stuff. All their chemicals are. I used to use their case sealant on my british motorcycles which have especially poor case mating surfaces. My Triumph didn't leak after I was done rebuilding it with Yamabond #4 and #5. But the Redline oil will make the exhaust smell better. Eric. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 16:11:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44B0403E4 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8674038C for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:08:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id g12so1353605oah.40 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 15:06:11 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=k/MjNa7n+MIGrsx/xX/X8dl7VXmqeT8Vs3KD0M94LPg=; b=ruvT1dITtu6voIGmzHGKqCI8nL3W8ug0vzEpvkrSzyDs+w9WHJsBhIoI5831vSHeUD x5iaEyjVYG6f1Ju8rquCKQsk25xArDeZ8+Dyw2/Gu2HCkey9kym12uctUzgCLEkjibo/ BU4XX/43pRY3iCBRN8dQedx1OENOGlwdqaZytwANfONrJ4l4UbceykYGBibIj4URLXNp CUKgBQhDHVuxINynDwKLStvfPtmOoc2laQnonDTIzxMVjXFfS46vhmNqAA3WIdD7q0Hg jeBobLN6hHHFRuT3MjRS4bLKYcklsOifQuUAoYOeAsNT9iUIk9WowIALWIArKN2M8lRA rC9g== Mon, 06 May 2013 15:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.205.231 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 15:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Shirley Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:05:41 -0400 To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Powerline Network Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My home is 2 stories with a basement and the router is on the top floor. I'd like to be able to set up a small computer in the basement using a powerline network adapter. There are a lot of them on sale on eBay and the prices are from cheap to not so cheap. Any suggestions or recommendations? Tom Shirley www.sceniccitymiatas.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 16:13:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB074042D for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:13:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5F5403DA for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=j-VtIVCdJkEA:10 a=_V4NlRFuGeUMDz7kp2UA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:46784] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id B1/8C-16585-48A28815; Mon, 06 May 2013 22:11:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 22:11:16 +0000 From: Randall To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Easier EE question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > And since the machine worked fine for a while, what could be causing the > extra current draw? (and more importantly, how do I find it?) Just a thought; could something else have gotten connected to the circuit in the meantime? > *= I got this unit used from someone who had it. They got rid of it > because it 'sparked and made a loud noise.' When I got it home, turns > out that one of the connectors had shorted. I fixed the connector and > have been using it since. Given that history, I'd be going through the bed looking for more problems like another short or a bad ballast. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 16:19:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F950403F0 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:19:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0585403DA for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r46MHDfs077207; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:17:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 18:17:09 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: Tom Shirley , Shop Talk List References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Powerline Network Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/6/2013 6:05 PM, Tom Shirley wrote: > My home is 2 stories with a basement and the router is on the top floor. > I'd like to be able to set up a small computer in the basement using a > powerline network adapter. There are a lot of them on sale on eBay and the > prices are from cheap to not so cheap. > Any suggestions or recommendations? I prefer to go wired when easy, but sounds like a perfect wi-fi application. You do have wi-fi in the house, no? I've used this EdiMax NIC from NewEgg.com with good results. $17, free shipping. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315096 -wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 16:19:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EE94042B for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:19:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CBB403EB for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id a14so4780036iee.41 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 15:17:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=o0tRqbtSEud4qLt/WlQRrQMqu39vs0UjEoLovZlGDY4=; b=AwbNiON9NQQvFodK5CzGWE03tFCKhIpPEprwHoziN04ST0kuBwrzrn0I32WR1XKXgG /hyeO51Uicp9kreL3ZuLGDyH8tBdjl2H49KhHgqstIoO9lTvRN7V/DEz93xkegKDplXW 7klzuFponC1bPfZy5TKtCzO+E0j0JVCCtlEJ1ftYX5aQf2Cmp4qshvdUqiC5phnh7dFR YbOTBN768/lYhtZNjptQZgRecn7cZvR5vBVTh8wt2lWAdc9P93Vy1unt7WRSbl1FTd2p b9KlEV+2FkGY3xrDUFWowRuZ8CidDW0H+LkTt5Ej7nDC1D69+C8Yd6d7I3+y8i7KeFcN pb+g== hh5mr3314069igc.89.1367878637855; Mon, 06 May 2013 15:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.152.175 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 15:17:17 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:17:17 -0400 From: Paul Parkanzky To: Tom Shirley Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Powerline Network Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Any reason not to get a wireless router? Two stories shouldn't be too far for it to work and if it is, relocate your router to the main floor and you can easily cover the whole house. A decent wireless router and a USB wireless adapter are probably no more expensive than the powerline stuff you're looking at and you can connect any device you want from anywhere in your house if you ever want to add more. -Paul On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Tom Shirley wrote: > My home is 2 stories with a basement and the router is on the top floor. > I'd like to be able to set up a small computer in the basement using a > powerline network adapter. There are a lot of them on sale on eBay and the > prices are from cheap to not so cheap. > > Any suggestions or recommendations? > > Tom Shirley > www.sceniccitymiatas.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 17:48:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F2C40420 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:48:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4753640333 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3160538A059 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:45:58 -0700 (PDT) :from:mime-version:to:subject:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=lne.com; bh=fnkA5KRBvjKnWlwBkbFIrRt 87is=; b=OPPSnA6h5A72lninmc45wZjUtQZmxp/NKYaPhS3f/mU+VXxW2dMo9nA XpCgjhrOgLDhYd1pswC3afHdYOuX/smxhWMCnp3R6X7qjqLtg+gcRRGR3unSWr3P W/4Y0KqFiYZS+kMFI297wTX7RSoPWuPjpMcJA3p7RGB3MRGtI8jc= Received: from [172.16.4.202] (unknown [66.201.49.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ericm@lne.com) by homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D1FC38A058 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 16:45:57 -0700 From: Eric Murray User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130329 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] chicken yard Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net After bobcats ate all our chickens we're building a new chicken fortress. The yard needs to be covered on the top in addition to side fencing. We're planning on using chicken wire for the top. But we need something to hold the wire (and a bobcat or two) up. The yard is sort of triangular about 40' across the sides, with one corner truncated. I was going to use some old well pipe I have but it's really heavy. My wife wants to use PVC pipe but I don't think it will be sturdy enough unless it's large diameter. I was thinking 1" galvanized conduit. Do y'all think that'll be sturdy enough? Eric _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 17:51:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F684043B for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:51:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f180.google.com (mail-pd0-f180.google.com [209.85.192.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B19403C5 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f180.google.com with SMTP id t10so2274096pdi.11 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 16:49:13 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=rjnZ2AYhEByNRa3boTASOT6SPab7RVdHRn8nSWlkOSI=; b=VsESUznMzxAzZzXwWBCY0I+BqStANdcC8Mw60FJkuwIA0XfjZtB53u+rqVBTpPVDFz RTCfOBe7KRKPKSH6qoIpak2nKHr4Onb8RtPebP+NGn1B4BRBTwlSfiI8nSA4RIdh9IXs s8psKbNYEiN/mjKHJ7xIJNuOvJ+oCxEabYaicpXrnzaayffReTUdGTwJ0cwvi4OG9xaK s66OsuToziwL05UfXiahlTNq3SyZWyogLrrZg13iRGWGCduJgDuwolZQl+82TClubtx2 Tomuf8inWG3sSWchdoUbG7qosNxZMVjLXzbXNsNi4SSQUQum/u19Gw3xlQP/2njoj6Qa aX4A== to1mr96475pac.144.1367884153426; Mon, 06 May 2013 16:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.120.197 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:48:53 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Peter Murray Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 19:48:53 -0400 To: Tom Shirley Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Powerline Network Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have used with good success the Netgear Ethernet over Power adapters. I have used the XE102 and XE104 adapters, both of which are no longer in production. Their actual throughput is about half of their raw throughput, but they work well. If you buy a set, test them and be prepared to return them - in case they do not work between the outlets you choose. -Peter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Tom Shirley wrote: > My home is 2 stories with a basement and the router is on the top floor. > I'd like to be able to set up a small computer in the basement using a > powerline network adapter. There are a lot of them on sale on eBay and the > prices are from cheap to not so cheap. > > Any suggestions or recommendations? > > Tom Shirley > www.sceniccitymiatas.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 17:59:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E078D40433 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:59:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a83.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8193C403C5 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a83.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a83.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F145E063 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:52:54 -0700 (PDT) message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= groupwbench.org; bh=xc05/nfz49pudEN7vWv6EtVIBNA=; b=ZyS76jgGNktM YPeh0pej7DRZuo5udTIdVbZA9PYRqbbBpMBqcq268rRugAOB2KVpUDL1IWIUhI2J L7tzyiMmq3dr54zSlrtyXQ/EZjS87MO3rKM6peILXLzsTggMb3F7xyfpMIv201c/ RRhhNbmPKvsL7Yp6X921WJsiVBvM0t8= Received: from [10.41.64.53] (sjznat-sra.sjz.navisite.com [216.10.97.56]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a83.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 128E35E060 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 16:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 16:52:53 -0700 From: Jim Franklin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <518840B5.50807@lne.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] chicken yard Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/6/2013 4:45 PM, Eric Murray wrote: > I was going to use some old well pipe I have but it's really heavy. My > wife wants to use PVC pipe but I don't think it will be sturdy enough > unless it's large diameter. I was thinking 1" galvanized conduit. Do > y'all think that'll be sturdy enough? How about hurricane fence (aka chain-link) posts? Seems to be similar to 1" galvie pipe plus it has an infrastructure of parts available. jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 18:00:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAB240510 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:00:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908FD403F0 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:59:15 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lP6u8sK29eByEVolvQ28IuG6ozQTuroECsngl2sdEBz0LM7YInSBVaPaDY0pFwdx; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.13.241.219] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UZVHB-0007yC-SB; Mon, 06 May 2013 19:57:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 16:55:56 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: eric@megageek.com References: Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Easier EE question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric - I agree that you should try another breaker. But first, when you trip the breaker what else goes out? In other words, is it a dedicated circuit for the bed or is the circuit shared with something else? As an example, I can't start my compressor when the living room TV is on or I trip the breaker. Even then, to start it initially, I have to pulse it a few times or it trips the breaker. My situation is a 15A compressor on a 20A circuit, but it is a good distance from the breaker box with several connections along the way. (The house came this way - a future project.) You may also have a bad outlet. You could try a good 20A outlet (one of the prong holes looks like a sideways "T") and don't use the push in connector/back-wire. You want a large part of the wire well clamped for a great connection. Do you have a different circuit near enough to try? That is also a quick check. I've never used one, but search for "clamp on amp meter". It seems like a easy solution to check the current going to the bed. Check it compared to the power tag on the bed. If you don't have one, you can buy a new tool. Amazon had them starting about $20. If all of that is good, I'd try the top or bottom of the bed by itself. My assumption here is that one part may be bad and turning off a bank of lights is easier than individual lights. The top and bottom should each pull a near equal current, so you can do a process of elimination and look for the problem - half of the top/bottom, then half of the next bad half, etc. Also, that connector that shorted may have failed due to an overload, so I'd look at what is around it as well. Brian On 5/6/2013 11:14 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, Since I'm out of luck for my other EE question, let me try an easier > one. Note, not much shop content, but it does allow me to use tools, and > it makes the SO happy. > > Anyway, I got a tanning bad for the SO. She only uses it to relax her > muscles since her car accident. But here is the problem... > > The machine worked fine for a while (I got it used*) But now, when she > starts it up, it trips the breaker. I called the company and the breaker > size (and wiring) I ran was for the correct size (I think it was a 10% > over max rating.) > > And since the machine worked fine for a while, what could be causing the > extra current draw? (and more importantly, how do I find it?) > > Do I just try another breaker first? is there a way to measure it? > Thanks. > > > *= I got this unit used from someone who had it. They got rid of it > because it 'sparked and made a loud noise.' When I got it home, turns > out that one of the connectors had shorted. I fixed the connector and > have been using it since. > > Thanks again > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 18:15:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF334042F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com (mail-wg0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76780403DA for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:13:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id j13so4242128wgh.16 for ; Mon, 06 May 2013 17:11:39 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NYjth3cgG4zy+hIzsDhKj2RdfrHm0Tnz8RIfEuperkA=; b=vemAWGl//7+le+zjvHxQsMYalnbBGLW9gs5WTq93O7sxW5MR1Iyq11Zvidm8K/HKPZ tRrMeO24c+ugFTuePBRzY4bqtksMKJPkRVJUq22Kldz0HpTSCjB7JPuFDrMJcoxEmW+0 h8FybzbdTjJRYcPDKm+3UtseEtyUx+ZGddFg+VDpFxQ8+rlVNAXKTN0H4XsSwg+AcFtq gJ/8V/cEJKRwR4ZW9IGis/H/+owra2iYElxhW6LeU1pXSh7OUMdN+k52JprJPliuZdif Xwrq4+j9umzzgHdWSPaG25Bke4bsTFl6LoL1f4kRCiR9B5VFDUjtUImXVs6NKVCX5/yp S+aQ== dj10mr11200021wib.1.1367885499527; Mon, 06 May 2013 17:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.101.135 with HTTP; Mon, 6 May 2013 17:11:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <518840B5.50807@lne.com> <51884255.7030203@groupwbench.org> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 19:11:39 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Jim Franklin Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] chicken yard Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You'd have to have strong perimeter posts/buildings/trees but heavy gauge galvanized wire, like guy-wire, might be worth a thought. On 06/05/2013, Jim Franklin wrote: > On 5/6/2013 4:45 PM, Eric Murray wrote: > >> I was going to use some old well pipe I have but it's really heavy. My >> wife wants to use PVC pipe but I don't think it will be sturdy enough >> unless it's large diameter. I was thinking 1" galvanized conduit. Do >> y'all think that'll be sturdy enough? > > How about hurricane fence (aka chain-link) posts? Seems to be similar to > 1" galvie pipe plus it has an infrastructure of parts available. > > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com > > -- *I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.* *Thomas Jefferson* _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 18:39:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E3B40438 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BA8403F0 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 18:39:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.130] ([::ffff:10.1.2.130]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,CAMELLIA256-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Mon, 06 May 2013 17:37:27 -0700 id 000000000028001F.0000000051884CC7.0000795B Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 17:36:57 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Powerline Network Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/6/2013 3:05 PM, Tom Shirley wrote: > My home is 2 stories with a basement and the router is on the top floor. > I'd like to be able to set up a small computer in the basement using a > powerline network adapter. There are a lot of them on sale on eBay and the > prices are from cheap to not so cheap. > > Any suggestions or recommendations I'm using some TP-Link powerline Ethernet devices to connect my sprinkler timers and etc. to the household network, they work well and were very much plug-and-play. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 19:42:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A68E4043F for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ibis.arvixe.com (ibis.arvixe.com [50.97.138.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BC4403F5 for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 19:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c-98-212-104-64.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([98.212.104.64]:60748 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by ibis.arvixe.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UZWse-0001AM-9q for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 06 May 2013 18:39:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 20:39:47 -0500 From: Matt Wehland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <518840B5.50807@lne.com> <51884255.7030203@groupwbench.org> with any abuse report paulyd@pennyantepub.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] chicken yard Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Try looking into some chicken forums. I've never had any, but seriously looked into chickens when I lived in the country. The one thing every body agreed on is 'chicken wire' isn't. It is useless against predators, too light to offer much protection. Hardware cloth is what was recommended. I read too many stories of people using chicken wire and then still loosing birds. Also keep in mind the paw size of predators, many will reach in and pull the heads off of the chickens, even if they can't get in the coop themselves. And don't forget some will dig under the pen. You basically need a full cage, side/top and bottom protection. Some chicken sites, no idea how good they are any more- www.backyardchickens.com/ http://www.chickenforum.com/f20/ http://poultrycommunity.com/forum/forum.php Matt On 5/6/2013 7:11 PM, Elton E. (Tony) Clark wrote: > You'd have to have strong perimeter posts/buildings/trees but heavy > gauge galvanized wire, like guy-wire, might be worth a thought. > > On 06/05/2013, Jim Franklin wrote: >> On 5/6/2013 4:45 PM, Eric Murray wrote: >> >>> I was going to use some old well pipe I have but it's really heavy. My >>> wife wants to use PVC pipe but I don't think it will be sturdy enough >>> unless it's large diameter. I was thinking 1" galvanized conduit. Do >>> y'all think that'll be sturdy enough? >> How about hurricane fence (aka chain-link) posts? Seems to be similar to >> 1" galvie pipe plus it has an infrastructure of parts available. >> >> jim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com >> >> > -- Matt Wehland (815) 295-4533 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 6 20:23:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50414044D for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 20:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B984044B for ; Mon, 6 May 2013 20:20:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 02:18:20 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.52] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 02:18:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2013 02:18:20 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367893100; bh=ueS3a43IjPbukxzwiMAJoQPlJ9cRx/xzdk7xE8J6Kio=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=FxgokS07TrV/f4hqrnbOozmSY/DyyUEEmreqjPdtsT613JAZc9fms0psk4EJ6h8hY5abaLWpW8w3rjF5nDJ9E3cF2Ts7nJzzfD2Os2DEgZIFSSVEBa6t6J4XzPbzPBmz82ybeNbG0PynC/798phan5DXwETha0Qldumomj4sEDQ= kKDLbbGGThinxIxxHdaqrb4ZJP3b1WE9GtKCOHjNDmDpcmqDTPH8PU_FQ5fv Uv8YUKhcuE36paxte4jQI4ew.o43neby8CscWC4lSWOeWctxQF1sfjz0RAxs Tp9JN4Vuve2__pOZiQqQfp.5SZ9rdSWgU63MR.FgBH5OJ5_ptIJhaGS3ESii z9z1oRxo.d9dOfD.rEbtPcBlBGmQmDZdW24P4PahcSmGNI3O2cPlO1tq1ogX YHVaeZ6V3fkcl897kY78SV.yRLK3b6Omr8KJbSaTug7rb8r.lsX9.WBVC1ko a3K_DEYlVM3V_zSgQDkQ9IpaM6kSqyIMS46.aGLI63dRZeb3o9Ok7XY6fDI7 eSLbVdgn670Mi5r7boi_ERS8r7k4op2P5KoKzkoklPqSr_cmVAs2rwpk1Ayb lHHzd3gsMxWvafxNWK9ZJVvLSwpALfm0P.eFul0kTEk3cnc_QR1ro.zquTWN b7iOWDaqxr7J3nHkAwg-- smtp114.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 May 2013 19:18:20 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: References: <20130501190607.GA80220@sackheads.org><5182783D.6010906@lne.com><1BCE251E61ED423899E80E2C32C0E97C@EntCentPC><5183A547.4080708@xxiii.com> <51880C4E.3030801@lne.com> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 19:18:22 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5KlWN8OtoOZ0/EQEi2Lzrpg+pOWAAMt3fQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you really want the nice 2-stroke smell use castor oil. We use it in our RC Nitro engines and every once in a while, like when we are heading for a classic cruise night, I'll dump a pint into my 1960 Triumph TR3's gas tank. Makes that vintage car smell even better. -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Eric Murray Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 1:02 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong On 05/03/2013 04:53 AM, Wayne wrote: > > Another good alternative that may be a little cheaper: Yamaha's 2 > stroke oil, "YamaLube" comes in "2S" for machines with oil injection > pumps, and "2R" for pre-mix with gas. Started using it when I got my > bike, and then tried it in the little power equipment, and was very > pleased at the improvement. It's around $7 - $9/qt at bike shops that > are Yamaha dealers, or mail order. Yamalube is good stuff. All their chemicals are. I used to use their case sealant on my british motorcycles which have especially poor case mating surfaces. My Triumph didn't leak after I was done rebuilding it with Yamabond #4 and #5. But the Redline oil will make the exhaust smell better. Eric. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 7 00:24:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC46403B9 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 00:24:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp004.apm-internet.net (smtp004.apm-internet.net [85.119.248.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D5140338 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 00:21:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 49063 invoked from network); 7 May 2013 06:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.105?) (81.151.163.134) by smtp004.apm-internet.net with SMTP; 7 May 2013 06:19:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 07:19:33 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Powerline Network Adapter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Peter Murray wrote: > I have used with good success the Netgear Ethernet over Power adapters. I > have used the XE102 and XE104 adapters, both of which are no longer in > production. Their actual throughput is about half of their raw throughput, > but they work well. > > If you buy a set, test them and be prepared to return them - in case they > do not work between the outlets you choose. > > +1 on the Netgear stuff. I have used their Wireless-N Powerline AV200 Extender Kit for 18 months and been happy with it. Bought it from Amazon and have not had to return it. I don't have Peter's expertise to be able to measure its output but it appears quite adequate. We live in an old house with many brick walls. As far as I can see wifi signals travel vertically much better than laterally, in others words walls present more resistance than floors. Hence the need for the extender. It worked well in the shop, a separate building about 30 feet from the house, when tried as an experiment. Nick Brearley _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 11:47:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3F40453 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 11:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B225A4041D for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 11:46:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r48HiXTf085480 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 13:44:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 13:44:29 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20130501190607.GA80220@sackheads.org> <5182783D.6010906@lne.com> <1BCE251E61ED423899E80E2C32C0E97C@EntCentPC> <5183A547.4080708@xxiii.com> <51880C4E.3030801@lne.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 2 stroke oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/6/2013 4:02 PM, Eric Murray wrote: > Yamalube is good stuff. All their chemicals are. I used to use their > case sealant on my british motorcycles > which have especially poor case mating surfaces. My Triumph didn't leak > after I was done rebuilding it with Yamabond #4 and #5. > But the Redline oil will make the exhaust smell better. HuhHuh, I don't know if the YamaLube makes it "better". I can say its smell is slightly noticable it in the exhaust, but it doesn't make my hair and clothes REEK of burned oil like the typical junk sold for power equipment. And it's under $10/qt vs > $15/qt for RedLine. And it's a lot easier to find on a local store's shelves vs RedLine. I am a huge RedLine fan tho -- run it in my transmissions, just dumped 2qts in the Lexus' rear diff last weekend, and use the "Lightweight Shockproof" in the bike's rear drive case. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 13:16:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB94E4043F for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 13:16:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm20-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37594038B for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 13:14:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 17:22:45 -0000 Received: from [67.195.15.63] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 17:22:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 May 2013 17:22:45 -0000 wvZO4TCFtzKyL.o4XmYeN4Uk0IDZRoXkd3v__d.kfUyduOKAUME.3WX8Hpse WrMAQjTeeKlmFlHtS1OwlhWa_TwdNaNmyIv_7qi9q0P5A.l4gT4RBCWEr6AT OUu5apE9.quL3CfgK8qp4N.a2S2D7rzpmYxuIVBtDyikpygfBO17nocxeQ1J wZX8QEsvsx74T1PT1D_IKONm.ZghS.y2Nq9k744iI..iMuQ1JxmXCs27nrmo tj6zpsK_XBYViQu32RKqWeTSefW4CnccAS0kIZvSYL5YBZ3_Iow93Vr.6d.M JdmFPXgYwlRwjSTTQygvmdAoQsP.OBv82XqyewFiOtTvLMAP05ODQ6jkYBzL mQ5ULZUg5VN8_U6UzQ0_JZ1Up0X5ynzTYKGnBUmTwEStxX82okbGVkWAj_v5 NYa_pNxcPn27AkRacO8J3J9P8YZrD_0zzmI3hE6fnJNueeOzMWWUzaZR5MAp wDxImEAk4ISbJ0JCN.mH3FIwwsISd7mbT26sne4b0pd8YhnyFfJ4wjHj.pMZ 7gXVmdMaGmiAixWc- smtp104.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 May 2013 10:22:44 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 12:22:45 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac5MEHYXT0PD3JwtQPCfWLlcypSVyA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Shop-talk] Electronic engine valves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe you've already seen this, but if not. These things are similar to electronic fuel injectors on steroids, installed in the intake and exhaust tracts. Depending on how they're installed, doing a valve job could be a quick, screw-in procedure. For that matter, the head really needn't be detachable unless necessary for ease of manufacturing in a particular engine. And your cam profile will be in the computer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bch5B23_pu0 Karl _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 8 13:56:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6394043E for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 13:56:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065A140395 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 13:55:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170130pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0MMH00FXXWL765W0@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 08 May 2013 14:53:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 130.76.64.119 ([130.76.64.119]) by vznit170130 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2013 14:53:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 14:53:31 -0500 (CDT) From: koblinger@verizon.net To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electronic engine valves Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 08:25:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30ABF40512 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 08:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s10.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s10.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7434043A for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 08:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W42 ([65.55.34.72]) by col0-omc2-s10.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 9 May 2013 07:22:30 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 10:22:30 -0400 FILETIME=[A3AAE1C0:01CE4CC0] Subject: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Toying with the idea of *considering* bidding on a house with an amazing garage... rest of the house is great too, just has some other issues and the price is a bit high... So to explore way how I might be able to recoup the price of said house - alot of which I think I think are b/c of this garage - I'm wondering how I can go about maybe renting space whether it be just storage or possibly also work space. Garage:Detached, 1300 sq. ft. - will fit 7 cars, I would consider giving up about 4 cars worth.10 years old, has plenty of power, air compressor lines, heat/AC, lighting ... all top notch. Security system included, Private cul de sac in nice area. I've seen the house and garage with a realtor. One of my main concerns would be the neighbors, and not annoying them especially since I'd barely know them upon move in. So starting out small might be a good thing. Current owner is a big car guy, lots of hot rods, so the neighbors can't be all that surprised. hehe. So I'm wondering for those who are garage space renters or rentees, what or how you charge, what you are getting/including, and what kinds of things are guys looking for in rental space, do you sign any "gentlemens" agreements, and what kinds of issues do you run into? The wife is all for the garage and how we can u$e it, so THAT'S out of the way.. :-) The attached 2 car garage would be a step up for me already, so at least we'd have a place for other stuff. BTW, my current house was previously owned by a 70 year old widower, who rented the 2 car garage to a Viper and built drag Mustang when I bought it. Thanks _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 08:48:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A66540545 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 08:48:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f180.google.com (mail-qc0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64254043A for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 08:48:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id a10so1704048qcx.11 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fM1fJ1e/al+eJDuticdClXaNM6ohhbWOHr+2Re9kyw8=; b=u3MHHQ2ElSKlst8awOqHERaX2it4v8/MOlQJhgeVjMtB+wdVsWoPuXp70lSg3uDH43 SFn+jQZjhRtN/s9cgIVhn4wQDC11eHSHelkEn/gGwVji+t1snggAWQkW9PbrvW+MO1+X 9kmTOpzUCH9lwwzIh6UTa+Xzelt5XsGfaaKkTSImXu4mrCWCKcROm0glrEo8FM1aqKrI 2UrVR/uduETBVagU8tSuKV/gpKJWE6qImcFZoT91ZAD7njxwrEE6t8P5fzrA6ZORElQW 70idy59IA6MIyeprLa+W8pjzTA6FDcmVprDBMkWg4FioSS/VDYD4RxTmMS8GhfzEDf7/ HlqA== w20mr900487qcr.85.1368110773240; Thu, 09 May 2013 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.40.65] (173-12-87-203-miami.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [173.12.87.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fq5sm3628960qab.2.2013.05.09.07.46.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 09 May 2013 07:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 10:46:09 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Man, there is NO way I'm letting you keep your car in my garage, whether you pay me for that or not. At least not without enough insurance to ballast a small aircraft carrier. And maybe not even then. On 5/9/2013 10:22 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > Toying with the idea of *considering* bidding on a house with an amazing > garage... rest of the house is great too, just has some other issues and the > price is a bit high... > So to explore way how I might be able to recoup the price of said house - alot > of which I think I think are b/c of this garage - I'm wondering how I can go > about maybe renting space whether it be just storage or possibly also work > space. > Garage:Detached, 1300 sq. ft. - will fit 7 cars, I would consider giving up > about 4 cars worth.10 years old, has plenty of power, air compressor lines, > heat/AC, lighting ... all top notch. Security system included, Private cul > de sac in nice area. I've seen the house and garage with a realtor. > One of my main concerns would be the neighbors, and not annoying them > especially since I'd barely know them upon move in. So starting out small > might be a good thing. Current owner is a big car guy, lots of hot rods, so > the neighbors can't be all that surprised. hehe. > So I'm wondering for those who are garage space renters or rentees, what or > how you charge, what you are getting/including, and what kinds of things are > guys looking for in rental space, do you sign any "gentlemens" agreements, and > what kinds of issues do you run into? > The wife is all for the garage and how we can u$e it, so THAT'S out of the > way.. :-) The attached 2 car garage would be a step up for me already, so at > least we'd have a place for other stuff. > BTW, my current house was previously owned by a 70 year old widower, who > rented the 2 car garage to a Viper and built drag Mustang when I bought it. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 09:11:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A073440514 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC3D40444 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id w10so3172067lbi.12 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 08:08:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=l5mtzQpuJkqKf2NCmOjYf/gbhk6ICS4+PtcMUvKECSw=; b=x4B+T8RG/fnEXLyONMQaPpT5KQxkG1/Q5lZzukNS2fssywE6v5BvMNhLch3+tYgkOz SYK7prpKH7hwcLVed11xNrj/6iOXqPlYNtHee00yP19DCAzpbry5DJbNIA3PfHBOhl8M 9DpKmWaUBtUVNGdci/rZBjylgz0M51A3UyOURsdP/7Beer/4JuCGDSBQIPqHHUi7Q8G7 ViD4NFPchebugEoszLa+6gqeAssrMd8hrrDdQvuZVZ1Xd5i9Pem31YW9t5MdeN8a/pMq qZklWIHdY0mVadBxM1wGGm1FC48Y4Ra2IOm+yJxWxj3E68XppOnR2vSbClQSrGN0atGn bUPg== tl10mr5508451lbb.100.1368112135389; Thu, 09 May 2013 08:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.131.167 with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 08:08:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <518BB6B1.3080306@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:08:55 -0400 From: Paul Parkanzky To: Scott Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There is an organization near Ann Arbor called the "Ypsi Yacht Club" that operates as a community garage. They have a couple of warehouses linked together and rent storage and work bays to members. They also have a collection of community tools (Air, a lift, etc.). It's a really cool setup for auto enthusiasts and there were a lot of neat projects going on when I visited their open house. One of the things I wondered was how they handled insurance, since they had a big collection of fairly high-dollar cars there and people working with power tools are bound to injure themselves or somebody else eventually. -Paul On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Scott wrote: > Man, there is NO way I'm letting you keep your car in my garage, whether you > pay me for that or not. > > At least not without enough insurance to ballast a small aircraft carrier. > And maybe not even then. > > > On 5/9/2013 10:22 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: >> >> Toying with the idea of *considering* bidding on a house with an amazing >> garage... rest of the house is great too, just has some other issues and >> the >> price is a bit high... >> So to explore way how I might be able to recoup the price of said house - >> alot >> of which I think I think are b/c of this garage - I'm wondering how I can >> go >> about maybe renting space whether it be just storage or possibly also work >> space. >> Garage:Detached, 1300 sq. ft. - will fit 7 cars, I would consider giving >> up >> about 4 cars worth.10 years old, has plenty of power, air compressor >> lines, >> heat/AC, lighting ... all top notch. Security system included, Private >> cul >> de sac in nice area. I've seen the house and garage with a realtor. >> One of my main concerns would be the neighbors, and not annoying them >> especially since I'd barely know them upon move in. So starting out small >> might be a good thing. Current owner is a big car guy, lots of hot rods, >> so >> the neighbors can't be all that surprised. hehe. >> So I'm wondering for those who are garage space renters or rentees, what >> or >> how you charge, what you are getting/including, and what kinds of things >> are >> guys looking for in rental space, do you sign any "gentlemens" agreements, >> and >> what kinds of issues do you run into? >> The wife is all for the garage and how we can u$e it, so THAT'S out of the >> way.. :-) The attached 2 car garage would be a step up for me already, >> so at >> least we'd have a place for other stuff. >> BTW, my current house was previously owned by a 70 year old widower, who >> rented the 2 car garage to a Viper and built drag Mustang when I bought >> it. >\ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 09:40:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36FC4052D for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:40:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B059E40444 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:37:18 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1368113693; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=GN4MlfdH5PDiITs/eKRvDVNPJPN+RWBhkbL+g7ysG9WYoAgxe1Wd+3CObc779LruQ XWcH1vXvSU0JspjxMgUKRxB41FxRG4z9Z1+ZmFxTXINImlZ2caWfUMDLYQ4qBuvUiE 5cvTtNFttXpACS1SeryCkSNg1/aBi2h4F7QnJgZI= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.143]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ2ZSSLAK7LUKJ for (sender ); Thu, 9 May 2013 08:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 9 May 2013 15:33:13 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 15:33:13 GMT To: pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I am a landlord, but not just garage space.As has already been mentioned, I think the critical issue will be insurance - specifically liability. Interesting concept though. Finding the right person will make or break the endeavor.Just to bound the downside - go rent Pacific Heights then add power tools! The rental agreement would take some effort - shared is trickier than exclusive.Everyone has to secure their own stuff?...How do you feel about sharing tools?Could your renter conduct "for profit" work there?Can he or she come and go at any time? Perhaps the best option would be a friend that wanted to keep a car there, but even then I would still have a written agreement. many issues... I would say buy it if you like it and can get a fair price, but don't consider rental income unless you are prepared to rent out the entire shop. In a perfect world, the 2 car attached would be enough for you and your renter was Mr. Goodwrench and you could negotiate a preferred rate and he would do all of your wrenching for you in the shop he was renting for big $$. Good Luck! Keep us apprised. Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 10:22:30 -0400 Toying with the idea of *considering* bidding on a house with an amazing garage... rest of the house is great too, just has some other issues and the price is a bit high... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 09:50:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23CE40566 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5F140453 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:50:52 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:33:24 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/09/2013 11:33:28, Serialize complete at 05/09/2013 11:33:28 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net PJ, I let me throw in my findings on renting space. First, INSURANCE!!!! Make sure you can get the appropriate coverage. Not just for the contents, but for a person on your property that injures themselves. If you are renting 'off the books' your policy might deny any payout in the event of a claim leaving you PERSONALLY on the hook. You will also need to check your zoning. This isn't a problem in most places, but in the areas it is an issue, you can most likely forget about doing it. Next, if you do this, make sure you have a iron clad contract on what happens to the contents if the unit is unpaid. It would be very easy for someone to stop paying, and you are stuck trying to legally get rid of the contents. Or worst yet, you get rid of them, and he sues you because you didn't do it 100% legally. Finally, it really is hard to make that much money renting out spaces. Here, in NJ, a top dollar storage unit that can hold a car is about $100 a month in a REAL facility with 24 hours electronic access, fully insured, etc. I'm not sure if you can make it worth it for all the headaches and hassles and liabilities you are exposed to. When I do 'storage', its mostly motorcycles for the winter months. I'm paid in fully when I pick them up from the person (then I take photos before I load them). Then I just drop them off at a predetermined date. Or I store boats, trailers, rvs for people I know. Again, I hate to say it, but insurance makes most great business opportunities unprofitable. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 09:51:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E98C40545 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A866540454 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:50:54 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:33:24 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/09/2013 11:33:28, Serialize complete at 05/09/2013 11:33:28 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Scott writes.... >Man, there is NO way I'm letting you keep your car in my garage, whether >you pay me for that or not. >At least not without enough insurance to ballast a small aircraft >carrier. And maybe not even then. PJ, this reminds me of one other thing to consider. Years ago, a barn that was housing over 30 classic cars caught fire. They all burned to the ground. Cause of the fire was one owner's carelessness. As a result, all the vehicles (some VERY HIGH END) were lost and most insurance policies didn't pay because they weren't stored 'properly.' That means, you have one renter's car catch fire, and everything could be lost, his unit, the other renters, AND YOUR STUFF. (and I hope the garage isn't attached to the house.) FWIW Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 10:00:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7D740552 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:00:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5DF40453 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ep20so2949371lab.24 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 08:58:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nBXB1CptXceQlmESaIoNvB241rPcEbWxnNLFLDYxHe0=; b=E8goqJ/I48fTA89slkm6W2FeLTn8dkVOjlxRdSPr7NgReJnjZ6v1f6I7z2gKcZOBDi p5Qoi6gGx+gkY8JLvylcOQ2usTya3aBjF7queB5HsDeDEZCIhICVeClxxCccgtJH0CQ+ QxgblV0o1DBHo5H4dPAWdubzxwGz8YttvGIa3XFGI2jYlo+NHQ4vt3LX+RidoAjAdgH1 yAwAUQlQ5sykj2kmhrlw1o5CJhAfDRqTCNmkaAX2K7rJjWXklsW0CwY0hujrkLlW/Cja /fb2i0sSEMJH4+gasKwv8a6RWauhF66tK9Zdn35Merr/NB7k+IAMfULh+1RCLXAUf2IL mtOA== mm7mr5814590lbb.9.1368115088084; Thu, 09 May 2013 08:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.144.132 with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 08:58:08 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 11:58:08 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:22 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > Toying with the idea of *considering* bidding on a house with an amazing > garage... rest of the house is great too, just has some other issues and the > price is a bit high... Others have pointed out all the traps to which you expose yourself if you rent out the space. Better to offer what you think is a fair price that you can afford, then afterwards you can invite people you trust to cooperate in some sort of friend-to-friend deal. But i wouldn't go commercial, without commercial insurance and commercial rates. And at least where I live, you can't do that in a residential area. All it takes is one nosy neighbor who doesn't like what's going on, and you're in over your head with no rental income. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 10:58:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E688940396 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:58:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a43.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9864006E for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 10:57:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a43.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a43.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1878C05F for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.0.159] (c-98-234-179-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.179.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a43.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0E73F8C056 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 09:55:28 -0700 From: Jim Franklin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/9/2013 7:22 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > So to explore way how I might be able to recoup the price of said house - alot > of which I think I think are b/c of this garage - I'm wondering how I can go > about maybe renting space whether it be just storage or possibly also work > space. In today's litigious society, the only way I would do this is to form an LLC or S-corp and have that entity run the rental business, and possibly own/lease the property. I would for sure consult with an attorney beforehand. If someone gets hurt on your property, you can lose it just in lawyer fees alone from a lawsuit. jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 11:22:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F6140568 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E300840453 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:22:45 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1368120020; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Y9NGYTY0icAgPioZ3sVxeI7MHaroWuIBADZ4gGwP/5Fv99td3uHJNO8Gfsx4KSio3 TlhRE5lB0uqUj6Q3dVQI8wbW9rPN7LQQHKfXNonYqtyIc29y37ejwJmAkSk7QiLdDM M7N/ZMnxXiCuh2v6iapfvvWBrp4U/tkYCpF1SGnY= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.143]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ2ZYYVA26CA8J for (sender ); Thu, 9 May 2013 10:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 9 May 2013 17:19:47 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 17:19:47 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] CadiLumina Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net http://columbusga.craigslist.org/ctd/3784519887.html I bet it was built in a shop.... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 11:34:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD97F40514 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B62D540453 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:25:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 34411 invoked by uid 3198); 9 May 2013 17:23:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 May 2013 17:23:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 13:23:04 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: Matt References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (BSF 1266 2009-07-14) Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] CadiLumina Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, 9 May 2013, Matt wrote: > http://columbusga.craigslist.org/ctd/3784519887.html I bet it was built in a > shop.... Would it not actually be a Luminadillac? -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 12:44:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD08340553 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 12:44:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f45.google.com (mail-wg0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2239A40453 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 12:43:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id l18so3286229wgh.0 for ; Thu, 09 May 2013 11:41:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iqJ6VOLrIsDhpwZxTmkI1aZibFV6nek/09RPe3Wqrg8=; b=EX+8Qf3bgH1b5eA3bmY3OsHGki0Ja4dUO2z7teKAv1KBtQB/uUj1ukdSum12qTHtaA TBVUESQQAHcrf9kW4W/+a403Y/hOpKUvhZCFslGW4G219gob2vbEYLmpSzdZbXmIXI9m dXEohRxSQ9cWn+KgMZtBShhp4oUbNQawNpZPIpHdW6tPM6W+Y2yGk5T7WqTIXPk+HlT3 xKUWzIsN08YF4na4bgYYp6cgqYkO87TYjqguwHn/JG8fupoUOCqMaVn2DVjm/h6dYiqc dHu2UuH4RuuVu2BlQUqYIawPZQISv7OIPD/08fDMWkB5UzArSKDX4Gdkil4GbS9/hnnT A5ZQ== yo8mr19956964wjc.36.1368124872464; Thu, 09 May 2013 11:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.101.135 with HTTP; Thu, 9 May 2013 11:41:12 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 13:41:12 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] CadiLumina Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net *Crazy Bob's Body Shop????* On 9 May 2013 12:19, Matt wrote: > *I bet it was built in a > shop*.... > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 13:16:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463BD4056E for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 13:16:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s7.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s7.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5932540452 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 13:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W31 ([65.55.34.72]) by col0-omc2-s7.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 9 May 2013 12:14:17 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 15:14:17 -0400 References: , <518BD500.3080504@groupwbench.org> FILETIME=[66E97570:01CE4CE9] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Some good ideas in there, thanks. Obviously liability is a big issue, and even if covered it's one that could easily outweigh the income earned. Not to mention the pain in the ass renter you may end up with. One thing I learned from renting a house, was that it might be a good idea to check first to see if the renter has a Daddy who is a lawyer.. BIG no no. Escort them out immediately. They will pull that card whenever possible. Makes we wonder what kind of *standard* home insurance policy this building would carry anyway... Darn expensive hobbies. -PJ > Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 09:55:28 -0700 > From: jamesf@groupwbench.org > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space > In today's litigious society, the only way I would do this is to form an > LLC or S-corp and have that entity run the rental business, and possibly > own/lease the property. I would for sure consult with an attorney > beforehand. If someone gets hurt on your property, you can lose it just > in lawyer fees alone from a lawsuit. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 16:50:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E4340E1A for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 16:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6AD4052D for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 16:50:04 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=g50x2CHSw4dZXTwhF+bX5FIsCjP0Nefrb0e6B6pGIuvXIPSo0/4GDNiGQGiT59jU; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.13.241.219] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UaZce-0000zy-B9; Thu, 09 May 2013 18:47:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 15:46:25 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: PJ McGarvey References: Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Talk to your insurance company and if you are in a city of some sort, also talk to them. My city does not allow rental of any part of your property in the residential area (other than the full property). It is zoned for single family. This is mainly to stop illegal second units, but also goes to people renting out RV parking on their property. Brian On 5/9/2013 7:22 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > Toying with the idea of *considering* bidding on a house with an amazing > garage... rest of the house is great too, just has some other issues and the > price is a bit high... > So to explore way how I might be able to recoup the price of said house - alot > of which I think I think are b/c of this garage - I'm wondering how I can go > about maybe renting space whether it be just storage or possibly also work > space. > Garage:Detached, 1300 sq. ft. - will fit 7 cars, I would consider giving up > about 4 cars worth.10 years old, has plenty of power, air compressor lines, > heat/AC, lighting ... all top notch. Security system included, Private cul > de sac in nice area. I've seen the house and garage with a realtor. > One of my main concerns would be the neighbors, and not annoying them > especially since I'd barely know them upon move in. So starting out small > might be a good thing. Current owner is a big car guy, lots of hot rods, so > the neighbors can't be all that surprised. hehe. > So I'm wondering for those who are garage space renters or rentees, what or > how you charge, what you are getting/including, and what kinds of things are > guys looking for in rental space, do you sign any "gentlemens" agreements, and > what kinds of issues do you run into? > The wife is all for the garage and how we can u$e it, so THAT'S out of the > way.. :-) The attached 2 car garage would be a step up for me already, so at > least we'd have a place for other stuff. > BTW, my current house was previously owned by a 70 year old widower, who > rented the 2 car garage to a Viper and built drag Mustang when I bought it. > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 16:53:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8216240E44 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 16:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5463B40067 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 16:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 22:50:31 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.55] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 22:50:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2013 22:50:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1368139831; bh=YqluhqxDvYJyV2wkctTFLkzB2flSQ30nHoFDJI6sy20=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XI7vuoG143wyBaxTnSmIcs81cGqyGpLrq96+nUDNamkNGuCruwgseudQXKArT+ZuZ60tFeRG9SmLK+L1pNoTweh0kDvBiiGMkQkS0ptpsrzPlktd9dYtlJuQKPblaU0lZ69Bd129xW00sEG/zRb0XJpG9ceuQvof6tbpN0BAZjk= MEQhjavRk51sf_lWMEKdn5bZHJA8M.3JPe4vDL36gYNQqmBRVEZu4RRbY7jf rf9IpdShi9VQN.zxYLtW_zVC.46b.Gpn8rxE2kg.iU4a8k8RWYDN5CEgA4P5 hKp7wDOKFlM181f2PgVQF6tR0Dfwx.MOOwE1g9a8qW.FnMo8Ht9rT5d_YZ6_ NTK9H1w8fP1rZ8gJyLPQkhiv_V0tBEarTQyD956cPMy0QdQU1.7DJ5rL1tPj faarYhKeshMpzk24Jl6XwUO_fNMUn_yuhXKL.loExgnM82reCD0D1qjQrzde 0oc5x86RAtc7ECnC63IHpFxTiHcHhnqcT60gSiTlhzGgAgvaQPspTLbAeByq fFEOd.dfThd.xXozNJWMp9Oah6fCmeY4A5rLMlDXFV6NnhUaGyaUvmbPxwbK Ds14sEJReMQD3t6DdaNEDReZL4FHS_doHzhPZ90_Lc4bYqOR0_SCthrzDdys OWGfPaeTs4w3YCUbYyJk- plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 May 2013 15:50:31 -0700 PDT Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 17:50:42 -0500 From: steve hochschild User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: , <518BD500.3080504@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Don't rent it to a car guy, rent it to a glass artist, or a painter, or as a yoga studio, or even as rehearsal space... Far fewer risks and potential for conflicts that way. I have learned never to rent to another artist in the same medium... On 5/9/2013 2:14 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > Some good ideas in there, thanks. Obviously liability is a big issue, and > even if covered it's one that could easily outweigh the income earned. Not to > mention the pain in the ass renter you may end up with. > One thing I learned from renting a house, was that it might be a good idea to > check first to see if the renter has a Daddy who is a lawyer.. BIG no no. > Escort them out immediately. They will pull that card whenever possible. > > Makes we wonder what kind of *standard* home insurance policy this building > would carry anyway... > Darn expensive hobbies. > > -PJ >> Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 09:55:28 -0700 >> From: jamesf@groupwbench.org >> To: shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space >> In today's litigious society, the only way I would do this is to form an >> LLC or S-corp and have that entity run the rental business, and possibly >> own/lease the property. I would for sure consult with an attorney >> beforehand. If someone gets hurt on your property, you can lose it just >> in lawyer fees alone from a lawsuit. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shochschild@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 17:14:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A4840691 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 17:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B75D40553 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 17:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r49NBtNX091441 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 19:11:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 19:11:50 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Renting garage space Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/9/2013 10:22 AM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > So to explore way how I might be able to recoup the price of said house - alot > of which I think I think are b/c of this garage - I'm wondering how I can go > about maybe renting space whether it be just storage or possibly also work Wow, I would NOT even go there. Maybe if it was rented to a friend, *JUST* for storage. Letting a stranger share space can turn into a nightmare quickly. My Dad & I built a 3 car garage / shop behind our urban house in the early 70s when I was a wee one. 'Rents got divorced and by the 80s; Mom was single in the house and renting the garage for spare $$$. First renter was some kid (relatively - well probably in his 20s) that did all the obnoxious stuff kidz that age do (crap! have I gotten that old?! Only going on 47!) Drink and smoke heavily & party w friends at the garage, make lots of noise, rev engines, have half a dozen friends' cars parked in the alley to the garage, etc. Then he just quit paying rent or showing up for several months. Then had the gall to be PISSED I took the liberty of using MY garage *I* built that he hadn't paid rent on to swap my Toyota's clutch. 2nd guy was an older motor head. Messed with all the wiring and disabled our ability to switch on the back yard or alley lights from in the house, oil stained the !@#$ out of the floor, changed the locks without permission, dented up the sheetrock, and refused us access (if you think I can't pick or bump a lock in seconds, you just lost that bet!) and was suspected of using the natural gas furnace out there at our expense, even though the lease stated he wasn't allowed to use it. He also kinda moved out "in the middle of the night" but at least mailed us rent owed. I think Matt put it pretty well. With liability & fire issues, inappropriate use of your stuff, damage to the structure, potential to piss off neighbors you may have to spend years living with, NO WAY IN HELL. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 9 17:14:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33604056E for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 17:14:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57A240E34 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 17:14:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r49NCAk9091444 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 19:12:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 19:12:05 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] CadiLumina Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/9/2013 1:19 PM, Matt wrote: > http://columbusga.craigslist.org/ctd/3784519887.html I bet it was built in a > shop.... Wow! Atrocious, but I gotta give it to him for creativity! -w _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 10:19:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C9D40E37 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 10:19:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mania.lunarmania.com (mania.lunarmania.com [67.210.98.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1876040528 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 10:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [99.7.68.55] (port=57813 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by mania.lunarmania.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UbCTL-000608-BJ for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 11 May 2013 09:16:35 -0700 From: Bob Nogueira Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 11:15:34 -0500 To: Shop Talk with any abuse report bob@texmog.com Subject: [Shop-talk] Car audio Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Several years ago I spent time and effort to get audio in my LBC that was listenable with the top down. Recently I realized that the sound quality had deteriorated at the upper volume levels needed for top down listening. I figured I had blown out the speakers so replaced two of the four and found no difference. Can modern car radios go bad in a manner that the quality of the sound deteriorates at high volume as a bad speaker or did I just buy some bad speakers? Any way to check the radio? Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 10:40:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CD940E35 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 10:40:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailfront4.g2host.com [208.42.184.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4638840451 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 10:40:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.164.52.117] (account arvidj@visi.com HELO HP62011) by mailfront4.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPA id 108909867; Sat, 11 May 2013 11:37:48 -0500 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: "Bob Nogueira" , "Shop Talk" References: <342484BA-3C66-4C57-B661-F6BA34D0EECE@texmog.com> Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 11:38:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Car audio Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have experienced that exact phenomenon ... audio quality going down. A hearing test finally located the components that were deteriorating with age. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Nogueira Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 11:15 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Car audio Several years ago I spent time and effort to get audio in my LBC that was listenable with the top down. Recently I realized that the sound quality had deteriorated at the upper volume levels needed for top down listening. I figured I had blown out the speakers so replaced two of the four and found no difference. Can modern car radios go bad in a manner that the quality of the sound deteriorates at high volume as a bad speaker or did I just buy some bad speakers? Any way to check the radio? Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/arvidj@visi.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 10:52:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE1740E35 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 10:52:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B40403FA for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 10:52:44 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=8Xl0mj6xYSIA:10 a=2X5PiXY3vO3u7yUIYZIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3F/A2-22955-1C67E815; Sat, 11 May 2013 16:50:10 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 09:50:18 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5OYvtJR66bqxRMQqO9/JAqWeuVdgAA1MGw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Car audio Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Can modern car radios go bad in a manner that the quality of > the sound deteriorates at high volume Certainly possible. But one of the first things I would check is that the amplifier is getting a good solid 12v even at high power output. For me, there would also be a distinct possibility that I'm trying to listen at a higher volume than before. With the setup I had in my TR3A, there was a fairly fine line between "couldn't hear" and distortion. And I know my hearing has fallen off even further since then. Unfortunately, it's quite possible that your new speakers can't handle the power, as well. For testing, all I can suggest is swapping with known good components, unless you have access to a oscilloscope. I've got an older HP scope that I picked up on eBay for $30. Only good to 20 MHz, but that's plenty for working on audio. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 19:38:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84ECB40E5A for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 19:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5738F403EE for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 19:38:34 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=5h5SZnBHMA8A:10 a=LfeYVR1RrFO3uxWfAW8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=y__v-gXXILJ8I-xBao8A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=kwWyQ4ynHP8Ccrld:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E0/3B-02984-EF1FE815; Sun, 12 May 2013 01:35:59 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 18:36:08 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5OsRNuH1+7S/izQ+aHsUCfQzSL+Q== Subject: [Shop-talk] GM rear axle C-clip removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, I'm stuck. Got a big GM limited slip solid axle with the half shafts located by those stupid C-clips. I've got the locating bolt and the cross pin out. But I cannot get the shaft to move, to get clearance to remove the clip! The wheel bearing is shot, so it might be the bearing keeping it from moving, but I can wiggle the bearing end up and down while pushing on it, and nothing seems to bind. When I beat on it with a BFH, the axle actually rings (!) making me think it must be free all the way to the gear. I also tried spinning it up to about 70 mph and pushing on the axle with it still spinning, thinking that might shake loose whatever is blocking, but it made no difference. Axle is still in the car, and I'd really like to avoid removing it if possible. But that bearing and shaft have got to be changed. I already did the other side (couple years ago), and the axle slid in (and out) easily. Any thoughts?? Oh yeah, 95 Buick Roadmaster Estate wagon if that make any difference. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 11 20:12:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B6D4055D for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 20:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789C44055D for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 20:12:20 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=U_NNe6pQl94A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=2t66mY_pN5gA:10 a=Ugt57OU195IyD54orVoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55009] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 09/D0-02984-8E9FE815; Sun, 12 May 2013 02:09:44 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 19:09:54 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5OsRNuH1+7S/izQ+aHsUCfQzSL+QABBgeQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] GM rear axle C-clip removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net In the infamous words of Emily Litella, "Never mind!" Turns out, the LSD clutches were slightly out of place (probably caused by yours truly initially trying to remove them) and blocking the motion of the C-clip. A stout brass drift and BFH moved them back and it all came right apart. Now all I've got to do is get that $@# race out of the housing. Last time I wound up cutting it apart to get it out, but this one maybe isn't as bad. Nah, I couldn't get that lucky! -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 13:19:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5442D403F1 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E28403C7 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 13:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 12 May 2013 19:16:30 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AA0ED30C0DD; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:16:30 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Randall References: <09.D0.02984.8E9FE815@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Cc: 'Shop Talk' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] GM rear axle C-clip removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sometimes you can weld a bead along the inside of the race and when it shrinks it'll shrink the race a little, enough to get it out. Or you can weld a piece of steel across the race and use that to grab on to pull it out. On 5/11/2013 7:09 PM, Randall wrote: > In the infamous words of Emily Litella, "Never mind!" > > Turns out, the LSD clutches were slightly out of place (probably caused by > yours truly initially trying to remove them) and blocking the motion of the > C-clip. A stout brass drift and BFH moved them back and it all came right > apart. > > Now all I've got to do is get that $@# race out of the housing. Last time I > wound up cutting it apart to get it out, but this one maybe isn't as bad. > > Nah, I couldn't get that lucky! > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 12 16:49:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42378403F5 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 16:49:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C871640382 for ; Sun, 12 May 2013 16:48:03 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=U_NNe6pQl94A:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=2t66mY_pN5gA:10 a=PmbCjXFtSocX6E-FKzAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 8F/C0-11869-28B10915; Sun, 12 May 2013 22:45:23 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 15:45:33 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5PRTYkTSJPQENwR9qVwIuT09CpEgAG5l6g Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] GM rear axle C-clip removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Sometimes you can weld a bead along the inside of the race > and when it shrinks it'll shrink the race a little, enough to > get it out. Or you can weld a piece of steel across the race > and use that to grab on to pull it out. Thanks for the suggestions. My problem wasn't so much grabbing the race, as persuading it to move afterwards. The failing bearing evidently got hot enough to spot-weld the race to the housing. But after slicing with the Dremel, I was able to break and collapse the race. Since I haven't got 220v run to the garage yet, it was definitely faster than breaking out the welder ... Not to mention less chance of setting things on fire (I'm kind of a klutz at welding) Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 17:12:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4934040A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:12:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691784040A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bolc1l0070S2fkCA1z7AkS; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:07:10 +0000 Received: from Mike ([98.232.69.122]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bz791l00W2eHDqS8Vz79uH; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:07:09 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 16:07:23 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1368572830; bh=fou/nAAdQ3REhGR0bZWwG5QzNGFBnKxPV+3xB63iSx4=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=i/DoDP46UZjhbfbwgiwug570tae/iFSMtW7XZd/S1AiQ/bqtS52gLZy+L0KMdgjIW DkNoO819AKp2/3mgGMNk2kxRAV99/+jCMlE1MwKVde9nOLCJrKeJSlyvz6zjIIE7tC i1Qv8ijfTUSyI3bZqGLqQLzvre3mEzRTnZXH4jNh9Sye7z0XvgqJwTsTthaMAG6Qrq IcVNYSGXtU6C4gmncJvIO1+cghHUtoXc9vnB23eOTnBkdSSRYVXmtbFr3QjWAoyBo+ iJrrt9wGdDev45HLodeQW9xhx1R9mlg+3b10kqBq3DqsbqlKNODgFGQDWIWfXFg9an IBvOSbMFf4myg== Subject: [Shop-talk] dead battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 12v car battery that is dead as a doornail because the car hasn't been run in a long time. It is also dry, or at least very low. So I filled the cells with distilled water, and hooked up the leads (the ground lead to a bolt on the engine), checked the charger to be sure it was set to 12v, and plugged it in. Ammeter goes to max, and the charger trips out. Suggestions? There is no adjustment on the charger, just plugged in or not. Mike _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 17:34:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A4B40424 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1FC4040A for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4ENVKdM014241 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:31:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:31:13 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <2B5D5C3C7B7348308FCA2536BE93F932@Mike> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] dead battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/14/2013 7:07 PM, Mike wrote: > I have a 12v car battery that is dead as a doornail because the car hasn't > been run in a long time. It is also dry, or at least very low. So I filled > the cells with distilled water, and hooked up the leads (the ground lead to a > bolt on the engine), checked the charger to be sure it was set to 12v, and > plugged it in. Ammeter goes to max, and the charger trips out. Suggestions? Has it been in sub-freezing temps? As they discharge, their freeze temp rises, and a dead one will freeze, expand, and short the plates together. A lot of times the plastic housing may be bulged out from the expansion, making it obvious. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 17:47:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365B34044E for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:47:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7D84006E for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:47:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bqES1l0010EPchoA7zkdzC; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:44:37 +0000 Received: from Mike ([98.232.69.122]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bzkc1l00R2eHDqS8Mzkczu; Tue, 14 May 2013 23:44:37 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 16:45:03 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1368575077; bh=TCghltAx/UiHNLucu8NFOlVV9BIhVVt8yfxI8pU//Ok=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=q5UwFPq2hcPo3QrrJMz5kdOmR0TnIKvoNHzxS6fs2XtQ/OhXv2jTAj5lY2eueIUW9 OdO0Tq55Jj1vCmTg8Y+0BEALMKXmnqlwAcazZeaLwwlbz6nHmBdmzJASDFVGiNoXsa dyNFOTtI7guKodhAu5+4v/kcnNdy+PUnTdOpsE9rtXiQvuReU9I5xX/lrfzdU1pyvp KuToCuSAt+ifUJnwvZ9ETq2oXmwwqVUJPQ1DpTeZBFtrhAT+HZzRrNBdFG+s/cptfs YpvzLlDuHU20EYVsyXHFN/mWmqgGA5921j7AkvMmvGZn0Py5d5Eu6s2UaK/zwVsr7d 3T6BCPnFZbGlw== Subject: [Shop-talk] Fw: dead battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net No. The case looks ok. In fact, it was fairly new when it was last used. ============================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] dead battery > > >> On 5/14/2013 7:07 PM, Mike wrote: >>> I have a 12v car battery that is dead as a doornail because the car >>> hasn't >>> been run in a long time. It is also dry, or at least very low. So I >>> filled >>> the cells with distilled water, and hooked up the leads (the ground lead >>> to a >>> bolt on the engine), checked the charger to be sure it was set to 12v, >>> and >>> plugged it in. Ammeter goes to max, and the charger trips out. >>> Suggestions? >> >> Has it been in sub-freezing temps? As they discharge, their freeze temp >> rises, and a dead one will freeze, expand, and short the plates together. >> A lot of times the plastic housing may be bulged out from the expansion, >> making it obvious. >> >> -Wayne >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 18:40:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BE94041F for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 18:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615A1403EE for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 18:40:19 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=rWYf3i3ba7WopiG+hO1d0LpaOYyRcFj5N82Jc3lQtHVBf2F1zudC7pqmV/8C6FI/; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.10.156.58] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UcPij-0000Fg-2h; Tue, 14 May 2013 20:37:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:36:16 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Mike References: <2B5D5C3C7B7348308FCA2536BE93F932@Mike> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] dead battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mike - If there is any chance it is under warranty, take it back to the battery place to see if they can charge it with their charger. I would suspect they would rather help restore the battery instead of doing a warranty replacement. I had a Sears Die Hard that was dead to me, but spent an hour on their fancy changer and worked for several more years. The battery came with my Triumph GT6, so I had no receipt, but they were helpful and friendly. They can also diagnose internal problems. Some auto parts stores will also do a free battery test, so that may be an option as well. I've had similar behavior with my charger oscillating between max and zero, but I have a 2A and 12A switch. I set it to 2A for a minute then can switch it to 12A for a few hours to charge low batteries. Also, make sure everything is off on the car. For example, if the headlights are on, as soon as you turn on the charger, they are going to draw all the power. Brian On 5/14/2013 4:07 PM, Mike wrote: > I have a 12v car battery that is dead as a doornail because the car hasn't > been run in a long time. It is also dry, or at least very low. So I filled > the cells with distilled water, and hooked up the leads (the ground lead to a > bolt on the engine), checked the charger to be sure it was set to 12v, and > plugged it in. Ammeter goes to max, and the charger trips out. Suggestions? > There is no adjustment on the charger, just plugged in or not. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 14 19:00:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B3E40433 for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:00:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F51403EE for ; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=n8Hr0s8sIBQA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=mF659qehUK47AgSQc_QA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:39652] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 39/67-22955-D6DD2915; Wed, 15 May 2013 00:57:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 0:57:17 +0000 From: Randall To: Mike , Shop Talk Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] dead battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Mike wrote: > I have a 12v car battery that is dead as a doornail because the car hasn't > been run in a long time. It is also dry, or at least very low. So I filled > the cells with distilled water, and hooked up the leads (the ground lead to a > bolt on the engine), checked the charger to be sure it was set to 12v, and > plugged it in. Ammeter goes to max, and the charger trips out. Suggestions? I would try temporarily connecting it to the charger through an old headlight bulb. The bulb will probably light at first, but should go out with a few hours of charging. If it doesn't, the battery is toast. If it does, then connect the charger as usual. But my guess is that you might as well just haul the battery in to exchange for a new one. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 15 02:28:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE4C40424 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:28:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp003.apm-internet.net (smtp003.apm-internet.net [85.119.248.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A46400A5 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 02:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 81342 invoked from network); 15 May 2013 08:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.105?) (81.151.163.134) by smtp003.apm-internet.net with SMTP; 15 May 2013 08:25:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 09:25:03 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Mike References: <2B5D5C3C7B7348308FCA2536BE93F932@Mike> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] dead battery Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mike wrote: > I have a 12v car battery that is dead as a doornail because the car hasn't > been run in a long time. It is also dry, or at least very low. So I filled > the cells with distilled water, and hooked up the leads (the ground lead to a > bolt on the engine), checked the charger to be sure it was set to 12v, and > plugged it in. Ammeter goes to max, and the charger trips out. Suggestions? > There is no adjustment on the charger, just plugged in or not. Mike, You might try seeding the battery cells with electrolyte taken from another good battery. If the battery was dry then a fill of distilled water would make the charger unable to function, some acidity is needed for the reaction to take place. I am no electrical engineer but that has helped in the past. Once the battery has taken charge a pulse charger may help to restore its condition. As Randall says you should be prepared to get a new one. It's debatable how much messing is worthwhile with a sick battery. These things always fail when they are most needed. You might check the charging rate of the car. A battery doesn't usually dry out of its own accord when left unused, although if you're from Phoenix temperature may come into play. Nick Brearley _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 19 14:23:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9442140C02 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 14:23:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0935403F3 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 14:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130519201934.ZWEX10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 16:19:34 -0400 Received: from wt06 ([209.225.8.46]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id dwKa1l00D0zbdDt05wKaUm; Sun, 19 May 2013 16:19:34 -0400 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=eixNZqJ7VboA:10 a=nnyN9riQr6HWuD4POe0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=TUzQRIkOVqzK2vGmyEYA:9 a=CXmvKz2f_e8RR8tB:21 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 19 May 2013 16:19:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 16:19:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] dual side draft weber carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Can someone please tell me what cars commonly ran these carbs? I need to find detailed pictures of the linkage set up that uses the long bar across the top. Shop content....I am installin a set of these carbs on my Roadster in my shop. Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 19 14:49:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D38A40C02 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 14:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EE6403E0 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 14:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL401-EAS165 ([65.55.34.72]) by col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 19 May 2013 13:45:36 -0700 References: <141ae948.7ed110.13ebe727d8a.Webtop.46@charter.net> From: Jim Stone Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 16:45:27 -0400 To: Tim FILETIME=[D09E0CC0:01CE54D1] Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] dual side draft weber carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Rootes put DCOE 40's on a UK version of the fastback Sunbeam Alpine/Rapier in the early 70's. you could probably find some photos by Googling "Sunbeam H120" which was the Holbay engine designation. I know they were also used on Alfas of the same vintage. That was probably much more widely available. I had them on my Alpine for a while and loved them, but I never got them properly synchronized or jetted and gave up after about 6 months. I later realized that my manifold was defective and will one day try again. They were a blast! Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2013, at 4:20 PM, "Tim" wrote: > Can someone please tell me what cars commonly ran these carbs? > > I need to find detailed pictures of the linkage set up that uses the > long bar across the top. > > Shop content....I am installin a set of these carbs on my Roadster in my > shop. > > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 19 15:02:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32AF42720 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 15:02:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75ACD40042 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 15:02:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460F3A0E3F for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 15:01:40 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 15:01:40 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Shop Talk References: <141ae948.7ed110.13ebe727d8a.Webtop.46@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] dual side draft weber carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Lotus used Webers or the very similar Dellorto carbs on many of their cars, such as the Elan. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 19 20:01:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC9740435 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 20:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f42.google.com (mail-vb0-f42.google.com [209.85.212.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA5540405 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 20:01:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id w16so3493434vbf.15 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 18:58:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=POhVb/tZcd003+MFajWRU91fiBC0YYQXxr50qZ1UemQ=; b=cqh6VsaU2v3h+GmsOE+ZkhiGxmiV3vA1egU1/ayBmupl2jpG0ctcjnlE9VWHCupP6c KXYxY5NZI2JqCJQcWiTvR9aulctvAnL9j0cdfPU8CqLCBNZXB+0ipeo3Za/IH2FQXkQe bX6LV5DQuYzQmaZ0vbFXFx/GY63VuWS7Ohb6SOLW2UJkBqJM3vrKiTu1nqlbAZS1r3uY JAxYxvQ963IQVds/c2I/hbz08BrljDjsQliVzG2tscGhHhBSUlGUfxGMNv96DHJY1rI8 EdMAaWoU55WZZIijuI+4+Nwummas5DxfiqsQk10DQfU+XKgi7CQtWNyk+ZSe18Hh1utY nEmQ== mv2mr33605827vec.11.1369015101991; Sun, 19 May 2013 18:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.93.243 with HTTP; Sun, 19 May 2013 18:58:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <141ae948.7ed110.13ebe727d8a.Webtop.46@charter.net> <51993DB4.9030009@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:58:21 -0500 From: Ronnie Day Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] dual side draft weber carbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Check out Pierce Manifolds (http://www.piercemanifolds.com/) for pretty much anything Weber related. On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Lotus used Webers or the very similar Dellorto carbs on many of their cars, > such as the Elan. > > mjb. > > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@**gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 04:39:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BFF42749 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 04:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.128]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBDD42746 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 04:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4KAZTrB008156 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 10:35:30 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "shop-talk" Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 06:34:54 -0400 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=PtywBmAJdYi6TBkq2BkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9x0l5KvNtGSw78PM8aIA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=ceTCXpHQepATBNMI:21 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Shop-talk] Rock 1, Mower 0 ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hit a large rock the lawn mower. (Briggs & Stratton engine in a Craftsman push mower) Bent the blade & sheared the key in the 'blade adapter'. The flywheel key is intact. With the blade & spark plug removed I can manually turn the engine but it feels like there are two unequally spaced tight areas with each revolution. The engine will run but it knocks & doesn't run at full speed. It is old enough that I don't want to bother wasting money on it (like a new blade adapter & blade) if it is likely fatally damaged. I assume the blade has some balancing/flywheel affect but shouldn't the engine manually rotate 360 degrees smoothly without the blade? Ideas? Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 05:49:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD8242753 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 05:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com (mail-la0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545304274C for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 05:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fp13so5552892lab.8 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 04:45:44 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KG4hiDWQ5x5J/1wIJ/ld5DJx/nYm4tU0aHhP+1NIqXc=; b=Mxo8A5M5ij+998npusN3qMO1j3/wPinkqhbudPQVPvIuj5pM//YAsRCj4GPpR2RQOm ym1vh6RcTQZ5pbJtJsy5L5c+EstFQExKMTfudzvKz9KO+/fGQjrkr/ThAfLLdGfcILZj hu7ZhglmdgdR+rt4o+A4NY3DcRN6flVHTzu31SFQHK7rJnOmL+BJyDSJIpkBpfIbYimh 081tarjIeXP/BXJLupCvlAEHebNJlERKES0kkd43Lb9Z52lHZ0stL5luFJ3CltNrHO14 LppfkrCC4a8+HUIZvVuNAt73Ne2/h54hu9ljB6O/DbfkDebEgMgXyrJHwVVCBYILSuWz Tmew== mm7mr14260380lbb.9.1369050344699; Mon, 20 May 2013 04:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.159.130 with HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2013 04:45:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <83A969DFA3194574BDC5424F73A2F105@EricJRussellPC> Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 07:45:44 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rock 1, Mower 0 ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Eric J Russell wrote: > shouldn't the engine manually rotate 360 > degrees smoothly without the blade? With the plug out, I would think so. I recall that there's a large counterweight inside the motor that could have become dislodged...could be what you're feeling. It's fun and educational to take one apart, and they are pretty simple. You have nothing to lose but an hour or so, and it might be repairable. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 06:57:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58EF4032C for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 06:57:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mailout05.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout05.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771D54274E for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 06:57:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan18.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.18] helo=mailscan18.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout05.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UePba-0004qI-KK for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 20 May 2013 08:54:22 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan18.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UePbZ-0004w8-8j; Mon, 20 May 2013 08:54:21 -0400 Received: from webmail09.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.9]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id eCuM1l0090BjuP601CuMiG; Mon, 20 May 2013 08:54:21 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=z4AD9PZc4uoA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=DAt308_4sOsA:10 a=KipDnnPqC4KZ2zkc9bwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=q6NVzdlt57AJyaPGGSdtcg==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail09.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UePbU-0003uo-Vz; Mon, 20 May 2013 08:54:17 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2013 08:54:17 -0400 References: <83A969DFA3194574BDC5424F73A2F105@EricJRussellPC> Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 08:54:17 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Eric J Russell" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rock 1, Mower 0 ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Hit a large rock the lawn mower. (Briggs & Stratton engine in a Craftsman > (snip) > I assume the blade has some balancing/flywheel affect but shouldn't the > engine manually rotate 360 degrees smoothly without the blade? > > Ideas? > Depending on how hard those tight spots are, you might only be feeling the cam lobes against the valve springs. Greg G. Osseo, MN _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 07:53:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB3742576 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 07:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3305942576 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 07:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([12.162.141.2]) by m1plsmtpa01-03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id eDpz1l00R03JK1Y01Dq0gh; Mon, 20 May 2013 06:50:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 08:49:47 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <83A969DFA3194574BDC5424F73A2F105@EricJRussellPC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rock 1, Mower 0 ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thusly spake Eric J Russell Years ago I did the same with a B&S mower. The end of the crank where the blade attached had about 1/8" run out, so I figured the engine was toast. Just for grins I tried to straighten the crank by using a suitable pipe to bend it back onto line. It worked, and I used that mower for several years until I moved and didn't take it with me. I know it can be unsafe, but it worked and didn't cost anything! Running the engine without the blade doesn't always work because the blade acts as a flywheel. Running without the blade makes the engine speed changes faster than the governor can respond. This might be what's happening when the engine doesn't rev correctly. You might be able to hold the throttle linkage between the governor and the carb so that it revs up more. Peace, Pat > Hit a large rock the lawn mower. (Briggs & Stratton engine in a Craftsman push > mower) Bent the blade & sheared the key in the 'blade adapter'. The flywheel > key is intact. With the blade & spark plug removed I can manually turn the > engine but it feels like there are two unequally spaced tight areas with each > revolution. The engine will run but it knocks & doesn't run at full speed. > > It is old enough that I don't want to bother wasting money on it (like a new > blade adapter & blade) if it is likely fatally damaged. I assume the blade has > some balancing/flywheel affect but shouldn't the engine manually rotate 360 > degrees smoothly without the blade? > > Ideas? > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 17:00:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DFD42AD4 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 17:00:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF2E428B2 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 16:53:52 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=acIGYv0yQRhHea/EeR1qVDAe/T/DZ84NhiJes2adNJIZAXcVNc3PwOlkaFaUhFL3; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.10.156.58] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UeYuP-0008J0-1H; Mon, 20 May 2013 18:50:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:49:08 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Eric J Russell References: <83A969DFA3194574BDC5424F73A2F105@EricJRussellPC> Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rock 1, Mower 0 ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric - Are you trying to run it without the blade? If so, that might be part of the problem. Check the blade for balance on a nail and it it is close, get a new shear key and put it back together to see how it runs. If the blade is badly bent, don't cut anything. If it runs normal, go for the new blade. If it is bad, you can play with it in the shop or move on to a new mower and just be out the cost of the shear key. I hit a small stump in leaves decades ago and broke the shear key. I replaced it and sharpened/balanced the blade and used the mower for a bunch of years. Also check the bolts mounting the engine to the deck, but if the shear key worked, everything above it should be fine. Brian On 5/20/2013 3:34 AM, Eric J Russell wrote: > Hit a large rock the lawn mower. (Briggs & Stratton engine in a Craftsman push > mower) Bent the blade & sheared the key in the 'blade adapter'. The flywheel > key is intact. With the blade & spark plug removed I can manually turn the > engine but it feels like there are two unequally spaced tight areas with each > revolution. The engine will run but it knocks & doesn't run at full speed. > > It is old enough that I don't want to bother wasting money on it (like a new > blade adapter & blade) if it is likely fatally damaged. I assume the blade has > some balancing/flywheel affect but shouldn't the engine manually rotate 360 > degrees smoothly without the blade? > > Ideas? > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 20:19:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7A042BF2 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:19:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail960c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail960c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9108140356 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail960c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4L299Uw011435; Tue, 21 May 2013 02:09:11 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Eric J Russell" , "shop-talk" References: <83A969DFA3194574BDC5424F73A2F105@EricJRussellPC> Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:42:18 -0400 a=z4AD9PZc4uoA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=p50Rgy5_AAAA:20 a=20LRieseYUQQb3x_DSsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rock 1, Mower 0 ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Hit a large rock the lawn mower. Thanks for the many replies. To answer the questions/suggestions raised - the spark plug was out when I turned the engine by hand. The resistance I feel might be the valve springs. It seems the consensus is to try either a new blade or at least a roughly straightened/balanced old blade and see how it runs. The key in the blade adapter is (was) integral to the part. It is an aluminum part with the 'key' punched in from the side. I might try just bolting it together (without a functioning key) to see if it runs better with the blade. I saw this on You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjSZu2hlmsk I do have an assortment of hammers... Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 20 20:29:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B4042C9E for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8623142923 for ; Mon, 20 May 2013 20:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 21 May 2013 02:23:52 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D591A23AF7; Tue, 21 May 2013 02:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 19:23:52 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Eric J Russell References: <83A969DFA3194574BDC5424F73A2F105@EricJRussellPC> Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rock 1, Mower 0 ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry for the late reply. I made a "ditch mower" to run on an outrigger bolted to my tractor bucket. It was essentially just a mower deck and motor bolted to a long arm. I used it a couple of summers then hit a big rock. I was able to straighten everything out and get it to run again but the crank runout and vibration wallowed out the main seal in pretty short order and all the oil ran out. That pretty much killed it for good. I'm going to make another one some day, and use heavy duty nylon strings or rods instead of a solid blade, like a ho-made DR Mower. I may even just buy a DR Mower head and work back from there. On 5/20/2013 6:42 PM, Eric J Russell wrote: >> Hit a large rock the lawn mower. > > Thanks for the many replies. > > To answer the questions/suggestions raised - the spark plug was out > when I turned the engine by hand. The resistance I feel might be the > valve springs. It seems the consensus is to try either a new blade or > at least a roughly straightened/balanced old blade and see how it > runs. The key in the blade adapter is (was) integral to the part. It > is an aluminum part with the 'key' punched in from the side. I might > try just bolting it together (without a functioning key) to see if it > runs better with the blade. > > I saw this on You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjSZu2hlmsk I > do have an assortment of hammers... > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 06:38:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B02840426 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1334040E for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4LCZDnR044512 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 08:35:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 08:35:06 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Door Screen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Guys -- have a slightly weird question. Does anyone know of a screen or similar cover for an overhead garage door? I like leaving my door up during the day, just for ventilation and heat. It's a basement, partially sub-grade, style and gets damp and chilly otherwise. If I'm working, the outside light, fresh air, spaciousness, etc are nice. But, birds flying in and crapping or nesting on stuff, bugs, other pests, etc, make it impractical. Just like an un-screened open window in the house would. Anyone know of commercial products like an overhead pull-down screening system or something? -Thanks, Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 07:00:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECB940433 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 07:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout004.mac.com [17.172.220.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C10F4040E for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 06:59:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (71-222-60-196.ptld.qwest.net [71.222.60.196]) by st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MN500MZEFY3DU20@st11p02mm-asmtp004.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 21 May 2013 12:56:29 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8626,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-05-21_04:2013-05-21,2013-05-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=16 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1305210100 From: Darrell Walker Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 05:56:29 -0700 References: <519B69FA.4060901@xxiii.com> To: Wayne Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Door Screen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Lots of hits googling "garage door screen", including Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/double-garage-door-screen-68310.html -Darrell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 21 08:45:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17BD4043D for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 08:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mania.lunarmania.com (mania.lunarmania.com [67.210.98.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA2842713 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 08:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net ([99.7.68.55]:52522 helo=[192.168.1.72]) by mania.lunarmania.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uenl5-0002Lz-TQ; Tue, 21 May 2013 07:41:47 -0700 References: <519B69FA.4060901@xxiii.com> From: Texmog Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 09:41:47 -0500 To: Wayne with any abuse report acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: bob@texmog.com|texmog.com Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Door Screen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have the one from HF. Basically cloth screen hooks to header and Velcro to the sides with weight on base. Works well but I only use it a a few weeks a year between heating and a/c seasons. I would not expect it to last much more than a year if used daily. Bob On May 21, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Wayne wrote: > Hey Guys -- have a slightly weird question. Does anyone know of a screen or similar cover for an overhead garage door? > > I like leaving my door up during the day, just for ventilation and heat. It's a basement, partially sub-grade, style and gets damp and chilly otherwise. If I'm working, the outside light, fresh air, spaciousness, etc are nice. > > But, birds flying in and crapping or nesting on stuff, bugs, other pests, etc, make it impractical. Just like an un-screened open window in the house would. Anyone know of commercial products like an overhead pull-down screening system or something? > > -Thanks, Wayne > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bob@texmog.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 12:32:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1243F40E67 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 12:32:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54854043C for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 12:32:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm30.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 18:28:41 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.55] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 18:28:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 18:28:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369247321; bh=S0E9GfeyEtbNIZ/MvlFHPdyiJxykH5KydT2CWMUtzqw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=2NRsLjrQ/hGdawHOJSK7+rtQydoxXZOpEtGklWjJTQ9gyC/hGSFHfnu0DuAbHSnoBD3VNaWukxDrMcG41tprnT9GSP+aBepnAP8asHuYt/K2NcIwHZjPby0wKtjYvGOSvEAkTHdadtCFnnTjuQS//nmWet17YmpcFmOWKDKmd3g= zRoNHBx9ib18SjexOvYrP1_KUqpmEJCmF1V8roPLQgpQeICObl8d7D3nKOge TEQZiTwkk.gpfGCikbhS3_7JwDUjVgWEMr0p0LQmAqw7DA5NWBkNyJcfpEnL MccyunPV2bNOnFQbkEdBMBOl3tOuXksoIddw0z53e5OkbkgPxiZAI1zR2zwg YDprAdHoO886fTAiC8T7ZlQ7yv_mXu7U0LUtAAcsPXGlhktPydiEw34frB_h Jf3Hsq5F_syIFoe9DnwBlCIuQ3CIYP6pAdPsTwB9b_RVY1DreL9vHbzpVs1U wBWnihFRqq6LLdo7hJE8x1b_FsTY668A28uHzFnKoUuSgj2KD4_9HGEYxy3S fWRDXronjh1u1QeZWN79UorJ90Dly7OV2M4o3Ag9PDdn5egeYcfEorw-- login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2013 11:28:41 -0700 PDT From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:30:02 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] connectors on SS cable (swaging) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'd like to use some SS cable to secure some equipment on a trailer... I find the cable and the connectors at Lowes, etc but have to pay 20-40 bucks for a swaging tool I'll probably only use once or twice... does anyone make a swage'er that will work on a vise or something like the crimper for copper welding cable connectors ??? homebrew ways to do this and have it hold ???? tia John Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 14:16:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2578D42756 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:16:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D564052D for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 20:13:16 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 20:13:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 20:13:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369253596; bh=iEVbfKVpgfPHagqFcn38Eaj8G4iY84oUt9ofXXz1FZA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ppJqHyM9hB3M7wjG8Oz8Fu3WKsdL0k6xwn7TWQF+wwaqyz3YPBkMrHlO6G2Pcl2BeoHcWH107lO0rrqxH4GcyfJNmRqW9l9SD4kol1G89mvwuhXPVLn22IdDvVTUVn0aQFu0g0IOqkosJYFdWpb4MQ58dxnq34/FbzJZL6rZyw4= mxoycxoRkmq7kcLp.W7B9Kx1meiz0J3D0HMEpFtNLK5JD2mRMi_2IoVxs8.U G8J4ToyWSQphegYOE4cqMdNncFhamUYBmzYjg7grnGOgNbevtsAcJP4cm2BH atiLOd7PFbqiVCLn8nMpSJdI5DYpyQ5PqnicDhUg4LvJIyq3uyuPiUSVIKsQ Z3gdiWqL2waO4y9_6unTg0sCCf1ClSGVGYimtsu_.Eq4fB.AiqKJ78bOKuZb Hk4zPYY6AoCUxXcHypgoJebkKXO9Nz2XCcsW3_5_Vi.pJgMmrl8FKt7ZgU7F sR14ElbyNzeZA9RwnMb9OjO5jYRF5F64isGEx2a89DYLerSTWTDAt1KVisJi yMormSLz75HIgMCnUQgtPPlI3dXPZEy1.sbXHsgciEPGOsMa5KP24nyw- login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2013 13:13:16 -0700 PDT From: "John Niolon" To: , "shop-talk" References: <57F633545D79471898184EA209F7CED8@john5043a2d406> <519D2139.5060609@brit.ca> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] connectors on SS cable (swaging) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net good one Tervor.... google says the nearest Chandlery store is 300 miles away... I'm in the middle of Alabama :-) guess I could try boat yards around town... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "John Niolon" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] connectors on SS cable (swaging) > On 22/05/2013 2:30 PM, John Niolon wrote: >> I'd like to use some SS cable to secure some equipment on a trailer... I >> find >> the cable and the connectors at Lowes, etc but have to pay 20-40 bucks >> for a >> swaging tool I'll probably only use once or twice... does anyone make a >> swage'er that will work on a vise or something like the crimper for >> copper >> welding cable connectors ??? homebrew ways to do this and have it hold >> ???? >> >> > These are problems sailors deal with all the time, find a chandlery > store. > > (although $40 in a boat store is like the door fee) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 14:27:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAEF42775 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75CF42775 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.130] ([::ffff:10.1.2.130]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,CAMELLIA256-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Wed, 22 May 2013 13:23:39 -0700 id 000000000028001D.00000000519D294B.00005F0E Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:23:09 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <57F633545D79471898184EA209F7CED8@john5043a2d406> <519D2139.5060609@brit.ca> <4BDFAB3B593B45B6BA2EB947C9F20B22@john5043a2d406> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] connectors on SS cable (swaging) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/22/2013 1:14 PM, John Niolon wrote: > good one Tervor.... google says the nearest Chandlery store is 300 miles > away... I'm in the middle of Alabama :-) guess I could try boat yards > around town... The cheap swaging tools are a couple pieces of steel bar with half a hole in each one where they mate and a couple bolts to pull them together. I had one and made more use of it than I expected, until the bolts stripped, and after I replaced the bolts the holes eventually stripped out too... Now I've got one of these and while the AWG gauge sizes on the dies are a joke it does work well if you eyeball the dies you need instead, and it'll crimp 6AWG and larger wire terminals/battery cables quite nicely as well as swaging wire-rope type sleeves. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 14:31:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A34C42784 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D4E40067 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:31:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.130] ([::ffff:10.1.2.130]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,CAMELLIA256-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with ESMTPSA; Wed, 22 May 2013 13:27:37 -0700 id 000000000028001D.00000000519D2A39.00005F78 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:27:07 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <57F633545D79471898184EA209F7CED8@john5043a2d406> <519D2139.5060609@brit.ca> <4BDFAB3B593B45B6BA2EB947C9F20B22@john5043a2d406> <519D292D.2020304@milleredp.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] connectors on SS cable (swaging) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Now I've got one of these Oops, missed the link: http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 14:56:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C554277D for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:56:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE4440521 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 14:54:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 20:50:47 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 20:50:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2013 20:50:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369255847; bh=JLrREqjlYutz/CD+uwANUtzNrOtrAGFIrcSs6fclIeA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=qiWIKTQ5LWzMzJK8IwNN3Lgv6G7BeFCtHmx1PouJ+azXTISm4k669p5rQDFP/Ld0aJ2eb5orX+jmPCVUVcjwYv9LJLyAzRbtOMxUXFsn3y/+bDqm4mGM3f/0CQbXaFfRdq3j9z6cDQaBvxiprqbukFqXgC1bI0/eBFIystbOOCo= DI04KnW9vqeT3ZLXWHuOpAUQVlnNaWkLeTlrbkPTeSDMrsUn_sBX_5nVzwOg 13pUJJWaRdiVVd.FlVuF4403Ly6JF8YCHN9eV8UuML.cQOIN1vsINyFxDKnl 99LRofEEycfL9b9XZ7xN.e77lSl1E7McdCKAb0HfRPjZnFrhN8iQlZoEuGWx Uh2BjYeGo0q4gbHQP6uBCenvV7k_LV1PP1iA0sMAo0nqvyUHGIud5zYeUVD1 _tWFl4_1joyl5NIEqhFzGw.iIvCKCZGz2fuuK.70_2JpTqlPuA5VWaRAwQZ7 xI1hZLf6ur0qGM4Bj7EcKyhUGBDRkq8DLiQN26ON7wIX2l6G9WHf0QT7kFLq xOua.QdZH_rLXe8tG4zEoFt9lCz6OMdMaqp8JIkFIMY5R_m_gV91wVpZgmgS pBXJTov0Oq2p2x_zoJ07URlJVflgWINSThGcmmzouLgoHOMjJaAGnq0Yqpnk luRreVEMlSe.6UdPkfrBCF_rbphQ9AkMsuscaJDhti8aEqcnBMD_NROOcWdN kdFPURosiLjK876oHzcw0ft9T6IH5jiX1jMENQyGZCms1r7VyPDHPe8ePzXB 9tfzLvzxuKoIs5BUZcOj2RHX341s1Ktwda9cR6m.KJsGIIf_xyxtxC.OQvkv vnJCRNeLkk8jv8ljTKoeURdBql3XkbL6DCFgFRG1iFGZxXvH76vWhadaltrl bAg-- login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2013 13:50:47 -0700 PDT From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:52:38 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] Fw: connectors on SS cable (swaging) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Niolon" To: "John Miller" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] connectors on SS cable (swaging) > That's what I"m trying to avoid.... spending extra bucks on a tool I'll > never use again (probably) > > I have one of these > > http://compare.ebay.com/like/190804636162?_lwgsi=y<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar > for welding cables > I wonder how it would work on those Alum crimp type or oval compression > sleeves... ??? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Miller" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] connectors on SS cable (swaging) > > >>> Now I've got one of these >> >> Oops, missed the link: >> >> http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html >> >> John. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 16:20:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4205142763 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 16:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail32c40.carrierzone.com (mail90c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBD440042 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 16:19:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Dell9200 (c-174-49-34-41.hsd1.tn.comcast.net [174.49.34.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail32c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4MMGMlV025066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 22 May 2013 22:16:24 +0000 From: "Mark" To: "John Niolon" , "shop-talk" References: <4286F50965754810BD4F5ECB7E420C21@john5043a2d406> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:16:47 -0500 a=L9Rx7paY6XsA:10 a=zZKT3jqqOw0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=V6f-GIhDAAAA:8 a=w8Wm49wu6zAA:10 a=5lucXWJGAAAA:8 a=M_9LZc-jEQBuAW0FzgQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=V6RE5z5OoxD22U2SZb2tBg==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: connectors on SS cable (swaging) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net What about wire clips? http://www.mcmaster.com/#saddle-clips/=mv63h8 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 18:33:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C226340E67 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.128]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C088D403C7 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 18:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4N0UCrs014471 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 00:30:13 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "shop-talk" References: <83A969DFA3194574BDC5424F73A2F105@EricJRussellPC> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:29:06 -0400 a=q7S00o-5r64A:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=p50Rgy5_AAAA:20 a=CmCnrXBzdkjahClVNIwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=0Ob1RWNGeVAA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] BFH ! (was: Rock 1, Mower 0 ?) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net For $20 I bought a new blade adapter & blade. Before installing them I propped the mower up on its side and used the Redneck Dial Indicator (tm) to check for run out of the crankshaft under the mower's deck. (I clamped a scrap piece of wood across the bottom of the mower and a second cut off aimed at the crankshaft's end.) With the spark plug removed & turning the engine by hand I could see the shaft wobble by ~ 1/8". I next tried a length of pipe as a lever to try to move it back into place.My pipe was only about 18" long and didn't give much leverage. Figuring I had little to lose, I marked the wobble with some chalk and positioned the shaft so I could whack it with a BFH. A few moderate whacks didn't do anything. A more forceful whack did the deed! No more wobble and I noticed the engine seemed to turn easier. (I do think the resistance I do feel is the camshaft operating the valves.) I then installed the new blade adapter & blade and started it up. It ran fine, no smoke, no vibrations or bad noises. When I shut it off it coasted to a stop like usual - vs the sudden stop when I ran it a few days ago without a blade attached. Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Eric J Russell" ; "shop-talk" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rock 1, Mower 0 ? >> Hit a large rock the lawn mower. > > Thanks for the many replies. > > To answer the questions/suggestions raised - the spark plug was out when I > turned the engine by hand. The resistance I feel might be the valve > springs. It seems the consensus is to try either a new blade or at least a > roughly straightened/balanced old blade and see how it runs. The key in > the blade adapter is (was) integral to the part. It is an aluminum part > with the 'key' punched in from the side. I might try just bolting it > together (without a functioning key) to see if it runs better with the > blade. > > I saw this on You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjSZu2hlmsk I do > have an assortment of hammers... > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 19:15:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DB54271D for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 19:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1F1403E9 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 19:14:28 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Wejl6+1TG7F4u0ArSeDU/3o9haogXuKdYW5Q7uG0YO0mCTVnV3PQYCj0Kg+mOCG4; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.10.156.58] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UfK3N-0001AX-FI; Wed, 22 May 2013 21:10:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 18:09:31 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: John Niolon References: <57F633545D79471898184EA209F7CED8@john5043a2d406> Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] connectors on SS cable (swaging) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Search for "wire rope clip" at Home Depot or Lowes for a u-bolt type clamp. In one application, I cut the bolts then wrapped it a bunch in electrical tape so it wouldn't scratch me. I also used some 1/8" cable to make a lock for my kayak on the roof rack and just used a 3lb sledge hammer on the sidewalk. That one I covered in heat shrink tubing. Brian On 5/22/2013 11:30 AM, John Niolon wrote: > I'd like to use some SS cable to secure some equipment on a trailer... I find > the cable and the connectors at Lowes, etc but have to pay 20-40 bucks for a > swaging tool I'll probably only use once or twice... does anyone make a > swage'er that will work on a vise or something like the crimper for copper > welding cable connectors ??? homebrew ways to do this and have it hold ???? > > tia > John > > > > Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 19:20:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF35842772 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 19:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.119]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BB8403E9 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 19:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4N1HC6J004311 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 01:17:14 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "shop-talk" References: <57F633545D79471898184EA209F7CED8@john5043a2d406> <519D6C4B.4090806@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 21:16:49 -0400 a=zRhTugyO4uMA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=OzV-MIx6hzn3UZnLT8kA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] connectors on SS cable (swaging) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I see lots of places that advertise custom-made hydraulic hoses. Would they have the equipment to swage the wire cable? Eric Russell Mebane, NC > > On 5/22/2013 11:30 AM, John Niolon wrote: >> I'd like to use some SS cable to secure some equipment on a trailer... I >> find >> the cable and the connectors at Lowes, etc but have to pay 20-40 bucks >> for a >> swaging tool I'll probably only use once or twice... does anyone make a >> swage'er that will work on a vise or something like the crimper for >> copper >> welding cable connectors ??? homebrew ways to do this and have it hold >> ???? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 22 20:48:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7093E42756 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:48:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm29-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.255]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6DF403E9 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 20:41:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm29.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 02:38:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.50] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 02:38:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2013 02:38:12 -0000 1s30VtBwewLaLZkN6BNndL__J3Ud4R8QvIRJeXMYIMZ.TbpUZhoBTXisecxd Uo7o6YcfGUwA3OeY18iTk0CRYR4cZW2sCTOKcrin7gUYRW_80NusoErP2Ojx 4QybzyQn14Ayculik8zjIoxup3m2MOPi6xyBJKsKkS_jZ4twxUhMQ1mcUBvg cGyiXqe7PJggnCvvrZGNg4cBj2wYJ3k358DrbZnbjCrJatnBouuYTLodwMRV YxXA_qj3pOkuRuiCdqx1HB1_ZyARz9nntgFj9O_XXnDkx7p0jhI.zaeNMr_S eBcyrY2xgqDPmvjKrhb8Q3iwRWgN06p48vgI96B8uVom1OUuIUbXIBqA3ERg 7eeBZUmZzDJZvXGbiljVa.uzqU62zjVkMJf9SO409ICsJA2MMWeTzxsLsuiz sKBByj9tf_d3OCRxJCHE40f87mOAjUQ-- smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2013 19:38:12 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Eric J Russell'" , "'shop-talk'" References: <57F633545D79471898184EA209F7CED8@john5043a2d406> <519D6C4B.4090806@earthlink.net> <073905522F444088B70CC8FF78019DFA@EricJRussellPC> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 21:38:12 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJOR+Rs7bNh9262VPaSCK5WLQvwtAIFPL/6AZ7EGKmX9QzxYA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] connectors on SS cable (swaging) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Try the shop at a small airport - they swage cables all the time. > On 5/22/2013 11:30 AM, John Niolon wrote: >> I'd like to use some SS cable to secure some equipment on a >> trailer... I find the cable and the connectors at Lowes, etc but >> have to pay 20-40 bucks for a swaging tool I'll probably only use >> once or twice... does anyone make a swage'er that will work on a vise >> or something like the crimper for copper welding cable connectors ??? >> homebrew ways to do this and have it hold ???? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 07:57:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC2340519 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A915403CF for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:52:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id r10so3393414lbi.39 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:49:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iG/l9GyMM7KHkdOjL6K+LJpLLQF/ysbWTeNSP83eQXY=; b=u9EEAo8acB4IpHexqvAOagdqvXk8NPsH2YFhIE28a75xgpPAmIdoSXmOdbWi08jwyf EMrXzMYr9LoLWvaSh2nqOH6pfYPPKNvUrBLTfE/Q7n2jtkofWumrQWszqeiH93wQR1+e SNEw5mqwyf22Ssr7up0DD9JpeEpATUglTsgIl4ibb9ddRIlE3azeJk6uH9ujFwKzgk0O 4xzENMz/aUR7cDWG/BEEop6y6wBBbIT8fCl3R/kFdVv5lg3Ie89Nl0CoG0RrGNqmfUZF U3ckjUimBIv5XfOYH/11z7O64kJ5uKDoaVgwekxmOZEKVN0JaTa9H4IGwzaiKCPwhmMl 0h1Q== tt6mr6324362lbb.129.1369316943841; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.159.130 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 06:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:49:03 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Whole-house surge protection Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A cow-orker with a new house asked me about whole-house surge protection. Where I live, the local member-owned electric utility sells protection for large appliances and motors as a device in the meter base. They charge $6.50 a month for this service. As I understand it, you're basically buying insurance, as they repair any damage due to surges with this service. I see you can purchase a similar device at the local big box for around $200. The claim is that it offers surge protection similar to a plug-in device, but also covers connected equipment. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-by-Schneider-Electric-SurgeBreaker-Plus-Whole-House-Secondary-Surge-Protective-Device-SDSB1175C/100127248#.UZ4bKsqOBhc In my neighborhood, all the utilities are underground. In 17 years, I've not experienced anything that would require use of a whole-house device, despite some really exciting electrical storms. All of my electronics are plugged into normal surge suppressors, but no problems with them or the larger things so far. Any of you guys have any experience or advice concerning this sort of thing? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 08:05:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D214053D for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:05:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f170.google.com (mail-qc0-f170.google.com [209.85.216.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3CB40325 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id s11so1794752qcw.1 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pEp9pmqj/Jq1Lvnvwi/bJPph2CUTNBdv4QLxI2Y1ta4=; b=mfhpmMiu4NlYct5MA75ncA8kNN5A/TvA3misAgMIeWvEeAUt87RXKq8O0OO4WUo8zB 0ljEvuBis/H8D4jrgYpWLCw82GaidQwrLkpO1K/UnAbrDWmVFBz+ngFi2DW+miQ/qM/V IH6xekYgNG4ZzMJIazNbaCkG58hczaAQi7SoE= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=pEp9pmqj/Jq1Lvnvwi/bJPph2CUTNBdv4QLxI2Y1ta4=; b=KldzaFWVp1+vBbE+n62vMXhoyWhOUUQdPjXaOQDpP0YfY4j25YkLp/cE1YVHEQse+Y ZSl1iIK2NkSnWyr5kf2lSLc6v+TnxQ4KXX6nh8HQ3E03OFpxjOnIosTu9OAw0FAsW7ZG 3GWWazpIayNcTL2mnVOZSxXWWpwBrmtIxp9HD6ubzJLsUDDBvtNq1I3qEW6HmMbBe6Pj pFe9Gi5UCpurpvZnPJXoew6R3D2f+6nGlrU8siJGkwWMZCgyOPy/P3Z9Q5TTug0j7M2Q 9I3vfFnaKrCFuBka5SXVqwV0yVYZsN06gZ2NBUVOQyD+Y1+LCXHBjljy44dFnkTSFsiq Bgzg== b30mr992602qca.49.1369317700934; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.58.244 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:01:40 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:01:40 -0400 From: Ian McFetridge To: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Whole-house surge protection Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I had one on a house (builder installed) and I don't believe it ever did anything in the five years we lived there. I don't think I would get one in your situation. As I recall, it only protects from spikes coming off of the street and not if your house is hit. The house we live in now has above ground lines on the street and to the house. I probably would get one if we weren't planning to move soon. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > A cow-orker with a new house asked me about whole-house surge > protection. Where I live, the local member-owned electric utility > sells protection for large appliances and motors as a device in the > meter base. They charge $6.50 a month for this service. As I > understand it, you're basically buying insurance, as they repair any > damage due to surges with this service. > > I see you can purchase a similar device at the local big box for > around $200. The claim is that it offers surge protection similar to > a plug-in device, but also covers connected equipment. > > > http://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-by-Schneider-Electric-SurgeBreaker-Plus-Whole-House-Secondary-Surge-Protective-Device-SDSB1175C/100127248#.UZ4bKsqOBhc > > In my neighborhood, all the utilities are underground. In 17 years, > I've not experienced anything that would require use of a whole-house > device, despite some really exciting electrical storms. All of my > electronics are plugged into normal surge suppressors, but no problems > with them or the larger things so far. > > Any of you guys have any experience or advice concerning this sort of > thing? > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 08:27:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B690340527 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:27:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A85403F7 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:22:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130523141912.FXZO10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:19:12 -0400 Received: from wt05 ([209.225.8.45]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id fSKC1l00T0yHwtd05SKCu8; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:19:12 -0400 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=XK3zA0zYVHIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=_PxxA0OvqV4A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Z7itauT5AAAA:8 a=JepuOwWRlVTTDb-h930A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=9ebi4RFSl8pXFKI4:21 a=3SXzpvJiRF4H0il0:21 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:19:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:19:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Whole-house surge protection Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net " As I recall, it only protects from spikes coming off of the street and not if your house is hit. " I was under the impression (from what I've seen on TV and also read) that the whole-house protectors that are wired into your breaker box are meant to protect your electical wiring from lightning strikes. Is this not true? electrically challenged tim On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > I had one on a house (builder installed) and I don't believe it ever > did > anything in the five years we lived there. I don't think I would get > one > in your situation. As I recall, it only protects from spikes coming > off of > the street and not if your house is hit. The house we live in now has > above ground lines on the street and to the house. I probably would > get > one if we weren't planning to move soon. > > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Jeff Scarbrough > wrote: > >> A cow-orker with a new house asked me about whole-house surge >> protection. Where I live, the local member-owned electric utility >> sells protection for large appliances and motors as a device in the >> meter base. They charge $6.50 a month for this service. As I >> understand it, you're basically buying insurance, as they repair any >> damage due to surges with this service. >> >> I see you can purchase a similar device at the local big box for >> around $200. The claim is that it offers surge protection similar to >> a plug-in device, but also covers connected equipment. >> >> >> >> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-by-Schneider-Electric-SurgeBreaker-Plus-Whole-House-Secondary-Surge-Protective-Device-SDSB1175C/100127248#.UZ4bKsqOBhc >> >> In my neighborhood, all the utilities are underground. In 17 years, >> I've not experienced anything that would require use of a whole-house >> device, despite some really exciting electrical storms. All of my >> electronics are plugged into normal surge suppressors, but no >> problems >> with them or the larger things so far. >> >> Any of you guys have any experience or advice concerning this sort of >> thing? >> >> Jeff Scarbrough >> Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 08:35:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC62540542 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:35:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f41.google.com (mail-qe0-f41.google.com [209.85.128.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1EF4006E for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id b4so1931903qen.0 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:32:10 -0700 (PDT) s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=A5rhB0XKKy1YrPICcgS0LrqiRFv/6IzEN9lute3K+tk=; b=dmenuWurDIr2xsBq//k9BYoqY9V3023g3ual4zjOmoSHzCaSyxI8md/7DBR/vhH2eV H/MS2udQqT2FDLyl/11p5qwlUkZmNurNgJ3t5aovnxdGLblWpqecjlVzZGOGmlQUhr9u GpuQA8P9kktJQHbU3q0wN2H7AqgmaJOSA08II= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=A5rhB0XKKy1YrPICcgS0LrqiRFv/6IzEN9lute3K+tk=; b=ZKfm9Z2ApxvkXlNDR2tazW8Xi6m1FXI9qFGF+d7tCQCx/mkTBr+F89qTj4eF6JKL+E EKngPRLNxqwUUeF+8wllnQsztxi+uhfv/wqgG/k97yaaaUrh4evQN9XLo3U9LB+Y7l3u VQ+Io1sjzhHyz7/wc/32UqQAUv5/H3OYZmvHnZ9K/W838rdeAIloia1bK/EbsvgoZZP6 0QMCTDHMtVd1ohKZaOmqjmT+9rWnNZwAvdgJ1iTP6DwA3frE69RFVj1TC84WcDMvAEP9 5mrLiL6kd1QK611r2zW0+ArAIJ96LPoU4LOAUpkDvDVVOvqote2q+JQUUypwte1Kj3A4 aXwg== n6mr13394255qeg.16.1369319530448; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.58.244 with HTTP; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:32:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <716d1e7e.80c2d2.13ed1c201aa.Webtop.45@charter.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:32:10 -0400 From: Ian McFetridge To: Tim Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Whole-house surge protection Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Maybe it depends how it is installed. Ours was on the main line coming from the street (essentially like the main on/off breaker). My thought was that if lightning hits my attic fan, goes down those wires to the panel, it will electrify every circuit on that bank. I think you would need to have it somehow filtering every circuit to truly protect from lightning going from one circuit to the other--ours did not do this. By design, I think the SS only protected against lighting spikes coming in from the street (e.g., transformer or neighbor, etc.) or entering through the meter on the side of the house. Caveat: I'm not an electrician either. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Tim wrote: > " As I recall, it only protects from spikes coming off of the street and > not if your house is hit. " > > I was under the impression (from what I've seen on TV and also read) that > the whole-house protectors that are wired into your breaker box are meant > to protect your electical wiring from lightning strikes. > > Is this not true? > > electrically challenged > tim > > > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > > I had one on a house (builder installed) and I don't believe it ever did >> anything in the five years we lived there. I don't think I would get one >> in your situation. As I recall, it only protects from spikes coming off >> of >> the street and not if your house is hit. The house we live in now has >> above ground lines on the street and to the house. I probably would get >> one if we weren't planning to move soon. >> >> >> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Jeff Scarbrough > >wrote: >> >> A cow-orker with a new house asked me about whole-house surge >>> protection. Where I live, the local member-owned electric utility >>> sells protection for large appliances and motors as a device in the >>> meter base. They charge $6.50 a month for this service. As I >>> understand it, you're basically buying insurance, as they repair any >>> damage due to surges with this service. >>> >>> I see you can purchase a similar device at the local big box for >>> around $200. The claim is that it offers surge protection similar to >>> a plug-in device, but also covers connected equipment. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/**Square-D-by-Schneider-** >>> Electric-SurgeBreaker-Plus-**Whole-House-Secondary-Surge-** >>> Protective-Device-SDSB1175C/**100127248#.UZ4bKsqOBhc >>> >>> In my neighborhood, all the utilities are underground. In 17 years, >>> I've not experienced anything that would require use of a whole-house >>> device, despite some really exciting electrical storms. All of my >>> electronics are plugged into normal surge suppressors, but no problems >>> with them or the larger things so far. >>> >>> Any of you guys have any experience or advice concerning this sort of >>> thing? >>> >>> Jeff Scarbrough >>> Corrosion Acres, Ga. >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@**mcfetridge.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 08:51:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C397540447 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:51:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA545403CF for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 08:51:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130523144804.JQLE5804.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:48:04 -0400 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.210.73]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id fSo31l0081ba5fc01So3fy; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:48:04 -0400 a=jI7IenF6H7/ahruwErMiBw==:17 a=XK3zA0zYVHIA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=_PxxA0OvqV4A:10 a=Z7itauT5AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=mWY5yCNNjECKszu6TcEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=t0-1NVPd4gljWtPO:21 a=3U99jr6A8QnbT8c3:21 a=eznW-Sly09hmLv5dPzQA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=upQCA6GsYCUA:10 a=yV22fYra3vJgo4qQ:21 a=jI7IenF6H7/ahruwErMiBw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:47:14 -0400 To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net From: "John T. Blair" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Whole-house surge protection Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 09:49 AM 5/23/2013, you wrote: >A cow-orker with a new house asked me about whole-house surge protection...... >I see you can purchase a similar device at the local big box for around $200.... >http://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-by-Schneider-Electric-SurgeBreaker-Plus-Whole-House-Secondary-Surge-Protective-Device-SDSB1175C/100127248#.UZ4bKsqOBhc >In my neighborhood, all the utilities are underground. In 17 years, I've not >experienced anything that would require use of a whole-house device, despite >some really exciting electrical storms. All of my electronics are plugged into >normal surge suppressors, but no problems with them or the larger things so far. >Any of you guys have any experience or advice concerning this sort of thing? Jeff, Like you said, "you're basically buying insurance, as they repair any damage due to surges with this service". So how luck do you feel. In my neighborhood, our utilities are also run under ground and we don't seem to have the problems with loosing power that the areas with above ground utilities do. That being said, during where does the lightening go? 2 places cloud to cloud and cloud to ground. It's that ground problem that causes problems. If you take a strike close enough to an underground wire, it will induce some of it's energy into the wire and you will have a surge. In the 30 yrs that I've lived in this house, we had only taken 2 lightening strike close enough to cause any damage. The first one was picked up by the underground power line. We lost a couple of clock radios, a cordless telephone base and some other inexpensive items. However, some of my neighbors were not that lucky. They lost TV, VCRs, etc. Some had over a couple thousand dollars of damage. During another lightening storm, we took a strike to the back yard. But the energy was picked up by the wires connecting my dvd player to my TV and blew out that input channel on the TV. Luckly that was all the damage we received that time. Oh, and I don't not have any surge supressors. My dad lives in an that has above ground lines and looses power all the time. In the 57 yrs he's lived there, he has only had 1 time (after Hurricane Isabelle when he was without power for over 3 weeks) that he's had problems. When the power came back on, the surge blew up a TV, radio, messed up his heat/ac unit, cordless phones, and more. He also doesn't have any surge protectors on anything. When we get a bad lightening storm, I will unplug a lot of the electronics from the wall, and disconnect various interconnecting cables, and disconnect the cable feed to my modem for the internet. Again, it's a gamble. How much are you willing to loose? To me, it's too easy to disconnect things like my computer and some of my radio equipment and flat screen TV for 1/2 hr or so untill the storm passes and not worry about the surge protectors. Also a battery back (ups) for your computer is a good surge protector. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 10:16:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA834051D for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:16:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B116403C5 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 10:16:29 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=XK3zA0zYVHIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=_PxxA0OvqV4A:10 a=D00MNyhkSW6ynaQOfYMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 9E/C1-02984-9004E915; Thu, 23 May 2013 16:12:58 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:02 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5XwS1DXaoZmtnaQCyDlCPyDatBAAADitWw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Whole-house surge protection Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I was under the impression (from what I've seen on TV and > also read) that the whole-house protectors that are wired > into your breaker box are meant to protect your electical > wiring from lightning strikes. > > Is this not true? If the lightning strikes your house directly, there isn't much that any device can do about it. Your best chance against a direct strike is an old-fashioned lightning rod (or better yet rods) to keep the lightning outside the house. A strike outside the house probably isn't going to damage the wiring itself, but can induce high voltage spikes that may damage equipment connected to the wiring. A good protector on every wire that enters the house (not just power line but TV cable/antenna, telephone, etc.) can offer some protection against that. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 23 17:38:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5736240E11 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:38:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA60B40359 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 17:32:57 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IvMlRfvlS70h5RPdtOrAO+lm0c1K7vWMXljZkFct5YZHuYH3pHWu5vXAfM6/EPPT; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.10.156.58] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UfeJr-0001sH-U1; Thu, 23 May 2013 18:49:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 15:47:53 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Whole-house surge protection Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff - Home Depot also has a smaller, cheaper product from Square D. See www.homedepot.com/p/t/203540660?productId=203540660 You add a 220 breaker and connect the device to your circuits. In theory, when there is a spike, they clamp it down. The good ones have an indicator light to say they are still good. I will be adding one of these products as soon as I add a sub panel to make room. My panel is in the outside wall of the house, typical in Southern California, so I am limited to what actually fits inside the breaker box. We've had several power problems due to an old distribution system. I lost a computer and UPS in 2010. I had friends 1/4 mile away loose most of their appliances when a transformer presented a light show. None of these are likely to save you if lightning hits the house, but any should provide added protection if a local transformer fails or someone drives into one of the ground level electrical distribution boxes along the street. For many of us, our most expensive electrical devices are probably the kitchen appliances and entertainment centers. While you can unplug the fridge if a storm is coming, you are not likely to go down and switch off the breaker for the hardwired stove/oven. For a freak event, you are not going to be able to take precautions, so a device like these should be an extra level of protection. Brian On 5/23/2013 6:49 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > A cow-orker with a new house asked me about whole-house surge > protection. Where I live, the local member-owned electric utility > sells protection for large appliances and motors as a device in the > meter base. They charge $6.50 a month for this service. As I > understand it, you're basically buying insurance, as they repair any > damage due to surges with this service. > > I see you can purchase a similar device at the local big box for > around $200. The claim is that it offers surge protection similar to > a plug-in device, but also covers connected equipment. > > http://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-by-Schneider-Electric-SurgeBreaker-Plus-Whole-House-Secondary-Surge-Protective-Device-SDSB1175C/100127248#.UZ4bKsqOBhc > > In my neighborhood, all the utilities are underground. In 17 years, > I've not experienced anything that would require use of a whole-house > device, despite some really exciting electrical storms. All of my > electronics are plugged into normal surge suppressors, but no problems > with them or the larger things so far. > > Any of you guys have any experience or advice concerning this sort of thing? > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 07:35:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FAE40532 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 07:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mania.lunarmania.com (mania.lunarmania.com [67.210.98.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EAC4042D for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 07:33:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net ([99.7.68.55]:50632 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by mania.lunarmania.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UgEXY-0000dc-N8 for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sat, 25 May 2013 06:29:44 -0700 From: Bob Nogueira Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 08:29:43 -0500 To: Shop Talk with any abuse report bob@texmog.com Subject: [Shop-talk] Auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net For anyone in the Dallas Fort Worth area, they are auctioning off a host of tools and fixtures from the American Airlines Maintenance Center ( which is being closed) at Alliance airport. Lots of great tools listed from 6 inch Beverly Shears to a DC 10 trunnion pin puller. Auction is next Friday and Saturday. Great chance for you to get a Data Device Corp Mdl SIM-31200 Synchrol/Resolver Simulator to replace that cheap Harbor Freight Synchrol/Resolve Simulator you have in you garage :) See list of. Stuff here : http://www.starmanauctions.com/Past%20Auction/AMERICAN%20AIRLINES-2013/SALE%2 0BILL.AMERICAN%20AIRLINES%205.31.13.pdf The tiny URL is. : http://tinyurl.com/oejrc9n Bob Nogueira ( who has no financial interest in AA, Starman auctions or the federal bankruptcy court) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 09:37:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9463140534 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 09:37:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com (mail-pb0-f52.google.com [209.85.160.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55DD403E6 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 09:34:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id um15so5312582pbc.39 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 08:30:47 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=9lzjxJVS4vGB4k1yLHvaMYgWMa8KWQf30y4Tu2GCJYg=; b=ILFSm3s7JSZGLvwHMC7UnnAGd6Ie6xmv1xOHVb/wsXSX2/n/hIq0xMeSprbG0Ia/Sj bsqwgXaXHS2d6D2Bj7c/dpA3NWlcBzrJRDuWRUlvHnAligSIb9PgCCdkK18AhijN7S9S ap9W/MHNnwVs3/8rVCRc05XYd2MbfBrKvh35TtWpUOfzP/OHtubUm0KziCS7mAB96Qj9 XtYHC2bl42Q6diifKYUqZNcgqiLqcCBAA1YUoTP5Qin5/miRgxqBAwUL2A7Ps24O+23y x7mJW2vxr4ESaQMJnm6F/kan4UOk8rO3BK3HXa4KDSQYBLhBt6F9hm23u/xoGX+bw4CY 6Kgg== sz4mr22795168pac.124.1369495847189; Sat, 25 May 2013 08:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.2.5 with HTTP; Sat, 25 May 2013 08:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.2.5 with HTTP; Sat, 25 May 2013 08:30:47 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 11:30:47 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Bob Nogueira Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net They have "veneer calipers" for sale... Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 12:31:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983F940549 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 12:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f48.google.com (mail-la0-f48.google.com [209.85.215.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A95B400FF for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 12:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id fs12so5392760lab.21 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 11:27:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Zas3m4+FnVyRMHGeQ4SG25tXzeEttP3loOIdhDZhGVA=; b=N11EkD7UazEimXWY68DqSPirQJ++6I8e4elvj0xBKmpW95p+TbT9TAaaSmuoAqw7kr I6oyEJ9dhu35ZY1iiBNY0sNZ4krlxSdoU2KVuT8bL8R0OpMeypzqiYEpG/9G/AXSUInF dIEAfifTyrMHq6oIHmWKYYmoUF6b4+AsoS6XqenZkLUmdqLRotwoF8rAzaGIeJpURnU4 KDaFK9rqWk7HIdSnCzdzg8OYHPShnuv+NVUSoS/Y0JjoUSeNaMaPG4y21ae9Dd7DIEgg lrMeF31pMfC/cVWyV/iyL7bnZgOAMMoXp9hhtAsF7dPxUxI0YMWQ7UgEOXfDt/ZO+QKk iifw== wn5mr11143182lbb.29.1369506437396; Sat, 25 May 2013 11:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.159.130 with HTTP; Sat, 25 May 2013 11:27:17 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:27:17 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > They have "veneer calipers" for sale... I guess they don't open very wide. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 25 14:16:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8990C4039F for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:16:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFDB4039F for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2388DA07DA for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 14:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:14:32 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] A bit behind... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Finally getting around to sending out some Thank You notes to folks who donated during the Team.Net spring fund drive. Only about a month and a half behind. I guess it is a good way to spend Decoration Day weekend. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 18:13:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DE04042E for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949C9403DB for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id hC3o1l0074VKuxU01C3oa8; Mon, 27 May 2013 17:03:49 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 17:03:48 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Somebody will know...... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ibm looking to use an inexpensive router and table for an ongoing project. I need to burnish leather using a rotary burnishing tool. This will look similar to edging a piece of wood, but instead of removing wood to form the edge, Ibll be using a turned hardwood piece mounted on a shaft to then run the leather past the polishing surface. This will burnish or bslick downb the edge of the thick (1/4b b 3/8b thick) piece of leather. Here are my questions: 1. My burnishing tool is mounted on a 3/8b diameter shank (most router tools are 1/4b or 1/2b). Ibm pretty sure reducing collars are available. 2. My maximum rotary speed will be in the 1000 to 1100 rpm range. Much slower than a typical router. Any suggestions? Ibve started trolling Craigslist and eBay, but if there are some specifics models to look for, it would be helpful. Thanks. Steve Hammatt (Mount Vernon, home of the closed I-5 freeway) Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 27 18:34:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816FA4043A for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:34:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEA94042E for ; Mon, 27 May 2013 18:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4S0TwZj000722; Tue, 28 May 2013 00:30:00 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" , "Shop Talk" References: <88699218FC914B06A43FAFDF39C9AFF6@StevePC> Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 20:25:14 -0400 a=ZHIfZJM1Z_UA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=opz3Q2uKAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=2bGb6e3dv9gOXap2Br0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=PysuaMvGMy4A:10 a=T7N_slrQfpWDIVqA:21 a=3WD8ok9AaavUcZ4-:21 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Somebody will know...... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There are 3/8" collets for woodworking routers but they are not common (might be hard to find and might not be cheap). There are variable speed routers or controllers you'd plug the router in to that can vary the speed. But it seems like even a cheap router would be over-kill for the task. Why not set up a variable speed drill motor or a drill press with a table/guide for the leather? Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 8:03 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Somebody will know...... > Ibm looking to use an inexpensive router and table for > an ongoing project. I need to burnish leather using a > rotary burnishing tool. > Here are my questions: > 1. My burnishing tool is mounted on a 3/8b diameter > shank (most router tools are 1/4b or 1/2b). Ibm pretty > sure reducing collars are available. > 2. My maximum rotary speed will be in the 1000 to > 1100 rpm range. Much slower than a typical router. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 06:00:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C4B4043E for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 06:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9925F403EA for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 05:54:03 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 07:34:29 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/28/2013 07:34:32, Serialize complete at 05/28/2013 07:34:32 Subject: [Shop-talk] Dishwashers in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This weekend, I installed a dishwasher in my shop. I have a few questions for those of you with experience with them... First, will normal dishwasher soap hurt engine parts, bare metals, etc? Next, is there a soap that I should use that will not hurt the dishwasher? Finally, are there things that should NOT go in there? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 07:21:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E4140425 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 07:21:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B2ABD4038C for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 07:21:33 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1369747056; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=CKjSInlpIe9xKiByqiEfOjPg62XkdBb1A6e28jCJfVktF6517suIrNDrZ1CaNupvp jNz139NhzOwOtA557k/GeNRK8Wyk0+Kg/WxAd92HAYmXsYFKfCzCwLyyU7czaKYmzW uSl2/qar5QgW8hOUTAVE1Z+rpYBO0udHms0R/F1g= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail12.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.152]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJ4KMU4AUKBN82 for (sender ); Tue, 28 May 2013 06:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail12.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:16:22 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:16:22 GMT To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwashers in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Inch,What a smart idea.I recall seeing a mechanics show where they put an old nasty transmission in a big parts washer and thought, "that would be nice to have"You seem to routinely come up with innovative moves - and around here old (not pretty but functional) dishwashers are on Craigs every week for next to nothing. DId the sailboat/ebay play work out OK?Hopefully much easier than chopping it up and more enviro friendly than burning!Some neighbors had a similar situation - an original owner boat that the wife had grown up with but had seen better days and had been a long time on the trailer.IT was a win win, they got rid of it, got a small amount of $$, and the buyer was happy with his bargain. The buyer seemed to know what he was doing as he showed up with new tires and took it straight to a trailer shop for repack & brake check... AGE RES PROPRIAS TUAS ---------- Original Message ---------- From: eric@megageek.com To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Dishwashers in the garage Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 07:34:29 -0400 This weekend, I installed a dishwasher in my shop. I have a few questions for those of you with experience with them... First, will normal dishwasher soap hurt engine parts, bare metals, etc? Next, is there a soap that I should use that will not hurt the dishwasher? Finally, are there things that should NOT go in there? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mbarre@juno.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 09:01:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF0E4043E for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 09:01:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2C4403FC for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 08:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4SEqTjA005785; Tue, 28 May 2013 14:52:31 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: , References: Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 10:50:59 -0400 a=Q5aTZ3LnKxEA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=UIIELtIdiwTTfNgjI_EA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwashers in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > This weekend, I installed a dishwasher in my shop. Years ago I read that NASA needed a way to clean electronic circuit boards and found that ordinary dishwasher powders in a household dishwasher was the most effective and efficient. I doubt there are any engine parts that would be harmed by a dishwasher & soap. Ferrous metals will rust if not quickly dried & painted of course. Also be aware that most dishwashers have a heating element under the bottom rack. Don't let plastic parts come in contact with the heating element as they would likely melt. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 09:04:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5944042E for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 09:04:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0528A403FC for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 09:04:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hRWG1l0031HpZEsA9T0kQM; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:00:44 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hT0k1l0042xZMJ48aT0k5n; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:00:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:00:44 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: eric@megageek.com s=q20121106; t=1369753244; bh=oIOfC77rD+UvWsNJ3jWstDdyY/SzDi2nDdIWFC09QfE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=lQhP94R7Jbcmlf7Z8OxezTG2HwqPbBUF6OyECDIimX8M8MX2bFY8/ptJQb+MaphIG 5zBCyy0NHzJe+WoyXtTMd3MWUPARMQypROV2LuxHmxc4lgpAFGofg1LwZ7aNvlxY2B 8QA6sYY1VGTG/E4JFDRouPzUrgbbiG0yDEfNZyvWdk7Y6hXWESDXk8Qa1xyknBT1UF UL2gqPtXutMKUgF9OEbMAC/b89lNrS4XoiYQVhfigb1rfTMGlUACQek3ESWEbvP0Py EUQHEHRd28WJnpH0X4wgyDvmeFi/glU1CxoMlOHVBZmBhWO72MnEbBc93bnIxMq1ru kbE3oDbZAp1TA== Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwashers in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > First, will normal dishwasher soap hurt engine parts, bare metals, When I was rehabbing ("restoring" would be an insult to actual restorers everywhere) the Europa, I put suspension parts in a leaky dishwasher I had parked over the basement floor-drain. The parts would flash-rust as soon as I took them out since all oils were leached out of them. If you do this, paint the parts as soon as you remove them, while they are still warm. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 15:25:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FD04052A for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C709440437 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 15:23:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id hZKN1l00B4VKuxU01ZKNvz; Tue, 28 May 2013 14:19:23 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 14:19:23 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] (Off Topic) Info wanted: Microfilm Digital Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If youbre reading this and are familiar with or can perform the conversion of microfilm to digital format, please contact me direct. If necessary I can demonstrate how this information request is related to the shop . Super thanks. gsteve@hammatt.com Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 21:00:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D975E4052A for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:00:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571A440452 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hdUq1l0061wfjNsA7eq7wd; Wed, 29 May 2013 02:50:07 +0000 Received: from BigBlack ([24.22.207.129]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id heq61l0022o2ZTs8jeq6nc; Wed, 29 May 2013 02:50:06 +0000 From: "Bob Kegel" To: , References: Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 19:50:02 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1369795807; bh=8FwAICfu4MvKeQ/f6yPBLFets38/YOXxSJKUtCL6iGI=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V/0nIvW5RRjoHDSsG8pCXderlILKaQ7TGbMlghJ2K4xyUFMUmq9M5rh+U7o8IZR5g ELq9+O0bwoQkKv5FC8kYbWt1kGVgztvJy1CNMS8fpIT0hq8LkhV23cgDxN7VgKdwQf ln2fpIthq+ER3aw8r0XOAbo2E5hNWkAsAIKKIWARw2zuENqLmEHBc13CizLylW8Q0k lzFY9DnAtEY5H9C1rey6csdVc27sFqEn9JOnZGOSBQMmtsOH19DY9kZENkCy/bR5w4 4LgIV3Z9VlbVtMlBiJFLtVINEMroZOYMSqBGjN78iXolqicw0k1dasjiRhbwPbjluH qg95weWNnchuQ== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwashers in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Good move! I've used the kitchen dishwasher for car parts when the wife was out of town with good results. Aluminum and steel parts came out clean and there was no tell-tale residue in the machine. Dishwashing detergent works well on oil and grease. I add a couple tablespoons to the regular detergent when washing my coveralls and shop rags. Bob K _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 21:21:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563214054D for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com (mail-pa0-f47.google.com [209.85.220.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A61A4052A for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id kl13so2511722pab.6 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=yUyi/n/l5JC5wR7hKYgX5ZIconSikDQWySWhjq2lWKM=; b=ggCpoWR09rnaVVCcoFUsbJRPe3IaWJ5ozedoQYxlPnWekoYgiSOQDGzMh5TKspma8o AlDTpvKqljB/ujFlbb0b+lyYQ+EsVzICxldsLalTdItJLdjQfwcnV+sDJkST/9nLHFvx kfcfWx4RY5FFYQjDd0ETPjIfyEMu2vLl+9b+XismT469/+M/3PXOuyITDrlZnFzlnMl2 M+PKGt48jfpBC2rovoLgLMRVIqvhTEK10CU40u7tBQSXupnh3sWI3tqATd/t26nxHOT6 xQ9opJFn+x876MKkp3VRRMN5ONVDpYiRi3ox0gNeDmmHbBNhFdw+xND0OK+C6/Zj4BJY 3etQ== sj1mr762202pbc.151.1369797434423; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.2.5 with HTTP; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <39529EFA96004D8ABD0950F0D63DE497@BigBlack> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 23:17:14 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwashers in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You can also use your kitchen oven's self-cleaning cycle for filthy castings like transmission housings and engine blocks... Doug On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Bob Kegel wrote: > Good move! > > I've used the kitchen dishwasher for car parts when the wife was out of > town with good results. Aluminum and steel parts came out clean and there > was no tell-tale residue in the machine. Dishwashing detergent works well > on oil and grease. I add a couple tablespoons to the regular detergent when > washing my coveralls and shop rags. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 28 21:45:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9DA40452 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:45:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6016D40446 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 21:44:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.drteeth.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29281F393C for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMDHexaCore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBBEF3935 for ; Tue, 28 May 2013 20:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 20:24:43 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke References: localhost.drteeth.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwashers in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Bob wrote: >I've used the kitchen dishwasher for car parts when the wife was out of >town with good results. Whether it's the dishwasher or oven - make sure to remove them before she gets home. Otherwise you'll get this: No need to see the expression on her face, all men will know THAT look... Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 405,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 08:47:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD35427BD for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 08:47:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D7C40562 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 08:42:17 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:22:36 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/29/2013 10:22:40, Serialize complete at 05/29/2013 10:22:40 Subject: [Shop-talk] TIME SENSITIVE --Free hardtop for a TR 4 or other? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This was just posted to my local Craigslist. http://cnj.craigslist.org/zip/3808280608.html If any of you know what it will fit, and need it, let me know and I can pick it up for you. I'll ship it to you as well, but I don't know how much that will cost. Let me know. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 09:03:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C91427E0 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91B540562 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 08:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hqYV1l0081ZMdJ4A6qsA61; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:52:10 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hqsA1l00T2xZMJ48cqsA0v; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:52:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:52:10 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: eric@megageek.com s=q20121106; t=1369839130; bh=S9enkOVdliGNE765leaq31NFjR77cDHLXBmbJn3GmjQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=UXfC2mUmb2qAeJQLT2cu7OA3+2VV/OAa20qItawgpQqhzCZ9Mqxm1nrrNREdaZNjH dqvZGaQxpnIwuVRghthsMjVVtKNCBwqp3P3Qx09oJWfD72u8OSSotv7getjMw1MyFQ YkmvwZpLeUMgcG4fPXQL+ufuz/7iHebViCUTphMybtMRfQ1Fn4Bvqu0dTJQ3JOifaW Fgdl0pmAPReev/P50i9LXjnn/AgFedKvlgYxlrkB45NpYculQkf4p3x8MbkBQLpoqM oevE5QbjnexSBRHPoV2Imeg4c7qKvvuqfaGBHSlVzVAsSgw4IZQnSnAJMcd+9ivQkj g74q7jjYMPZ3A== Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] TIME SENSITIVE --Free hardtop for a TR 4 or other? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ad says $100 in central NJ. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org ----- Original Message ----- > From: eric@megageek.com > To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:22:36 AM > Subject: [Shop-talk] TIME SENSITIVE --Free hardtop for a TR 4 or other? > This was just posted to my local Craigslist. > > http://cnj.craigslist.org/zip/3808280608.html > > If any of you know what it will fit, and need it, let me know and I > can > pick it up for you. I'll ship it to you as well, but I don't know how > much that will cost. > > Let me know. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 09:04:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC8F427C7 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE1840557 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:02:22 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:42:43 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/29/2013 10:42:44, Serialize complete at 05/29/2013 10:42:44 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] TIME SENSITIVE --Free hardtop for a TR 4 or other? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That was leftover from when he originally tried to sell it. In the description, he states it's free, and it was posted in the "free" section. If you are interested, you can call him to confirm. Again, I'll pick it up if you want it. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson pethier@comcast.net 05/29/2013 10:37 AM To eric@megageek.com cc shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject Re: [Shop-talk] TIME SENSITIVE --Free hardtop for a TR 4 or other? Ad says $100 in central NJ. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier@comcast.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica http://www.mnautox.com http://www.mntriumphs.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 10:09:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBBE42716 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB084054F for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 10:04:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130529160031.ZBQY24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:00:31 -0400 Received: from wt09 ([209.225.8.59]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id hs0X1l00N1GRMdM05s0Xgt; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:00:31 -0400 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=lLb9ouL_V9gA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=_rf0abON4vUA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=b4KrJKo_AAAA:8 a=ET1YG1-yPNQsWNWueYMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=GivhFRMFgxcA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=fN2J7l6Gh3oA:10 a=zdRuEmwNkDemIoCQL0WYIA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:00:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:00:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] FW: Re:TIME SENSITIVE --Free hardtop for a TR 4 or other? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Looks liks this might be for a Datsun Roadster as it was recognized by someone from that list...... -------- Begin forwarded message -------- Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: [Shop-talk] TIME SENSITIVE --Free hardtop for a TR 4 or other? Date: 5/29/13 10:29:59 AM From: "Carol Herrmann" To: "Tim" It looks like a "parish plastics" hard top from Pa. The was a neighbor of mine back in the '70's" who bought a "Miata looking " top for his SRL. It appears to be the same style top. Parish plastics got bought up by some other company years ago though. Sent from my iPad On May 29, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Tim wrote: > From the shop talk list...... > > > -------- Begin forwarded message -------- > Subject: [Shop-talk] TIME SENSITIVE --Free hardtop for a TR 4 or > other? > Date: 5/29/13 9:22:36 AM > From: eric@megageek.com > To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > > > This was just posted to my local Craigslist. > > http://cnj.craigslist.org/zip/3808280608.html > > If any of you know what it will fit, and need it, let me know and I > can > pick it up for you. I'll ship it to you as well, but I don't know how > much that will cost. > > Let me know. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > ________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 13:06:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7944053D for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:06:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C038C4035A for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:50:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hpdk1l0031Y3wxoAFum7no; Wed, 29 May 2013 18:46:07 +0000 Received: from BigBlack ([24.22.207.129]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hum61l00X2o2ZTs8bum6gu; Wed, 29 May 2013 18:46:07 +0000 From: "Bob Kegel" To: "Tim" , "shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net" References: <3f8f33e6.2511ab.13ef00ecc56.Webtop.49@charter.net> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:46:03 -0700 s=q20121106; t=1369853167; bh=yBb7sDbyNwvHZrfKOi5HlCef92wdRNvC/LlJnCpEob4=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D8JHhIVGg0CJsChm5BN9feB4m7umdyKDhG3EiJ7sqrlKwRzqnj4h9GpEICYrd4pj4 SUFegWXkxL7SBXyDOWNVOGZo+xNc9rO4stXbp2gxklh3GmTxrP12mAc3w48hNobupQ R2QlZzRVwrq/4cSJ2f3OfTaw3Dz8yVAsamxcH98bcZJmM2AqOWcuiSfMIorO6nJ86g X4db/+2JdbV4vU5Pu6nz0C4U/qOdIdHDIqqrlchT5/VOLWVeeBuAW0xWezCzPKE6CL BhelGDDaUabZhVK/HFlODsDtqbhlHikxIEa0cjhZcmYdNNlUpdz9kIw0eNEBfILUJV rXZymHuIaUo+g== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwashers in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I use a double shot of Tide liquid along with the dishwasher detergent. I use hot water and set the machine on "soak", giving all those chemicals a couple hours to work. So far, the tub has passed wifely inspection. YMMV -----Original Message----- From: Tim Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 04:31 To: Bob Kegel Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwashers in the garage You wash your shop rags in the regular clothes washer? What exactly are you using for soap? And how does the tub far when you are done (is there a grease/oil residue left behind)? Thanks!! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 13:07:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D48442851 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA4140397 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6672E38A072 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:55:40 -0700 (PDT) message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= groupwbench.org; bh=Wd+ctf50jK+Df618bYH+/TRt7gU=; b=a1NYDHhnxUFX lHdMJAXpzBr0MMaRfv2j/uY69lBDmmgC3tyKrTOfbtg2CT0B9L67+RUc9XOcKTKB TCfZZJQcuJ/wn8takx5HlqS/l81fHhT6c8gdMetsuH2k+hUvTfX5jjHby5+HongX 1k61zonErvf8xEUVhlT0Bq7Jg1NAYVU= Received: from webmail.groupwbench.org (caiajhbihbdd.dreamhost.com [208.97.187.133]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 11C8038A005 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 216.251.225.48 (proxying for 216.251.225.48) (SquirrelMail authenticated user jamesf@groupwbench.org) by webmail.groupwbench.org with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:55:40 -0400 References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:55:40 -0400 From: "Jim Franklin" To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 Subject: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have about 1/2 acre of foot-high grass that I just want short, not pristine. Got a quote of $385 to cut it. Once. I have a Honda rider mower that is dog slow and fills the bags in 10 feet. I'd like to get one of those stand-on mowers I see the pros using that really scoot, and either mulch or drive it towards the center/edge, but I have no idea what to search for. Any ideas/experiences? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 13:33:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943FF40067 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:33:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f54.google.com (mail-qa0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0073B40424 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:14:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id hu16so2402540qab.20 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LAQoByImVMVPq8kYYJXxsahd6z6J/9Lwow/npNvjV8s=; b=jUGvk/5yb/sgEvv2yTThDnPsMNoXtiqQ9IFN/uFNjSSQLMXFywFpYcFt9JkYs7PqGR byOGGVjpF2F7NOwJ0WdBSX+BZs13DDf3B3fpI3oSQoAwJYJ3oxmq6g0JHVKtaS0fukyr oEnNZccbgPgJfrrcoftLy18cmQ++g58urDKpthgoTmapOHDe9V+hKiz6qV8wA11Pm7am U/TN+cjvUiDhj2b3q/XZ7PhQp/UCJzkvU+0z61/gmhI4hRBw0tm9/LQGz+3S/HyCZZeh +ACjmz+XZqwQMSHr0Ad8Uji+7De2wF2xN8uDMmBdubv2Un6wOLPTz7cZUTNQ2CrfH4wG wT/A== r19mr1517520qcx.71.1369854612143; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.40.138] (173-12-87-203-miami.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [173.12.87.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j2sm14066818qer.1.2013.05.29.12.10.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 29 May 2013 12:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:10:06 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, pay them. I have had literally your same experience. What you really want is a brush hog, or a chain mower attached to a tractor that you see highway road crews using. Any normal mower just can't handle too-tall grass, especially when you start going over cut grass on top of uncut grass. You either need an open deck, a very powerful engine, and a non-blade 'blade' (a chain), or you need time and patience and a big raking object. I have two acres that is perpetually in the same condition you describe. I couldn't even find someone to cut it, and when I did, I was offended at the quotes. After dealing with it, I suggest you pay them, or else make friends with some of the guys on the road crew. On 5/29/2013 2:55 PM, Jim Franklin wrote: > I have about 1/2 acre of foot-high grass that I just want short, not > pristine. Got a quote of $385 to cut it. Once. I have a Honda rider mower > that is dog slow and fills the bags in 10 feet. > > I'd like to get one of those stand-on mowers I see the pros using that > really scoot, and either mulch or drive it towards the center/edge, but I > have no idea what to search for. Any ideas/experiences? > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 13:48:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15C242807 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9794C4042B for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:31:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 19:27:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.57] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 19:27:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 19:27:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369855626; bh=SpJTUHg/yDEPSz+HUrXZDmf6pxCmqCIkGw4l7jPZTRY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=gCKqK1wSM3F4NczXnZJBtBajY482jqm7JhRl/eq8KZ5Rw0KCstcFhxPMpxsZWU3tpCAdRn8KVxvTTT+RVq9Ggxii233Pb+ygOeVfxzeq3nuG/Qk5pIzelwuix27/w2OvJNP0+tgLgezMJ/Lb3TPGFmnlV0ULv+ft7j/tIazAReQ= f_HGfaaECRwnINgb.rXubN3vJ9PcriyQOt1PgzObB_.DtqNVceoG_ttGCmT. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net jim, they are called 'walk-behinds... and the little sulky is an accessory... here's a link http://www.gravely.com/en-us/walk-behind-mowers/Pro-Walk-Hydro-Drive/Pages/default.aspx jphn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Franklin" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:55 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? >I have about 1/2 acre of foot-high grass that I just want short, not > pristine. Got a quote of $385 to cut it. Once. I have a Honda rider mower > that is dog slow and fills the bags in 10 feet. > > I'd like to get one of those stand-on mowers I see the pros using that > really scoot, and either mulch or drive it towards the center/edge, but I > have no idea what to search for. Any ideas/experiences? > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 14:50:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDBB42824 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD914040B for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id ek20so112940lab.17 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:28:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0wFljbLk/189E2gFYLBnKMjvSl/tlVAwO4TI1/NWgBM=; b=Ye/rj6vbQY4/qsARGufyEuyzu2kEGqVFCX8y3TOSk5lhARnCgcImQY1OY0+0eccZ0L ORg+xszwg86AIObR9a1itOZEu00Nh6US9txQQuE7/UuXlMeKu858/GmQNty/SmJDKBkh 4JKHDLEXfiGGhnBZSzsSyPOJOW1f6cAgrBfBy/3WA/ySle+j+vb/SH+j3cfgnzU3fAAD 7mx0bSRLG3iM++qzhGNkME1bV9cnQMi6Sn2X7D7XOUJtRGb6lIc5ilckqBCb/LcIAf6Y TjEV4fES0rPvPkkqh5Jm+I9l1pNp5KQtyf2Qc6nKvZIuDyWhQB2CZnJDeGZbHljJo0/8 ru5Q== ql6mr2408001lbb.28.1369859290411; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.16.104 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 13:28:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 16:28:10 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:27 PM, John Niolon wrote: > jim, > > they are called 'walk-behinds... and the little sulky is an accessory... > here's a link > > http://www.gravely.com/en-us/walk-behind-mowers/Pro-Walk-Hydro-Drive/Pages/default.aspx I used to have an old David Bradley 2-wheel tractor with a sickle bar mower, whih would be good for that task, as well as satisfying one's needs for tinkering on old machinery. Tractor: http://www.w-t-p.com/2005/D03-7937.jpg Mower: http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/maOwxo9R2-PZsUrtEHoL8kQ.jpg You might be able to find something like that cheap, if you're so inclined. Otherwise, get someone to bush hog it twice a year. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 15:06:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94B742754 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:06:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp003.apm-internet.net (smtp003.apm-internet.net [85.119.248.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAAA4041E for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 87097 invoked from network); 29 May 2013 20:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.103?) (81.159.97.224) by smtp003.apm-internet.net with SMTP; 29 May 2013 20:37:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 21:37:01 +0100 From: Nick Brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 To: Jim Franklin References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 29/05/2013 19:55, Jim Franklin wrote: > I have about 1/2 acre of foot-high grass that I just want short, not > pristine. Got a quote of $385 to cut it. Once. I have a Honda rider mower > that is dog slow and fills the bags in 10 feet. > > I'd like to get one of those stand-on mowers I see the pros using that > really scoot, and either mulch or drive it towards the center/edge, but I > have no idea what to search for. Any ideas/experiences? > Jim, This machine could be what you are looking for: http://www.scag.com/vride.html Might be overkill for 1/2 an acre but I can't imagine why that should put you off... Another option is a flail mower, if you are cutting irregularly I've found that these deal with the mowings better than a rotary deck. Ferris make one: http://www.ferrisindustries.com/eu/en/walk-behind-mowers/Comfort-control-dd-fm/ Not a stand on but half an acre of mowing only means about 1 1/4 miles of walking. Both makers are well thought of in the business. Nick Brearley _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 15:21:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C534275A for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:21:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3235042706 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 20:50:57 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.53] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 20:50:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 20:50:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369860657; bh=J22Fl43SNNCaS1I+oK9ybV4CpwmMC8JflHFF+G1dUeQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=vG+lTDaX5eNR9cEnytvwKvZ0KzS+LKlxo6Mf89i8gFwPeAZTocYKHV68pcx0IgqYhLyAI1bEM17wFh45MX4baZs156UumdIgvIMMeHS7gIpnEls64h23DhsqdU6NtEisR51ldKzEnAxmvMhOUJsDHmv1JI8tEmAzrD0ghXP2+m0= cd17l8Mxgadbpi9UhAyZ5WeiX23r38IRVrcjlPBtr5yHUi0vECONJPtfH6Lf PGCFUtCrwdYQ7qSSeiVpBANwxgB6qrzP4JtYGNPx.1bp7..FF0hq7Srbs.ku SkLcvcd0djZa288_A.qG_TMBM2y5SOnrJpNd3ufz1lca689PFTe.FK9ntygE jhUuZeUB._fU60YoHDGWF3ncmU9XF1gMNspq0lLqWBUcIswvzWeShOGY4dgx f8Cl69L9Rb6_2Hcbgm21QquOLNwIj4qL2yu51m.3Z7hdsWZset3ahdXfoidJ .U0suqGq9ZtzO7Pnq2A0dm_N9p8qfBQ9mW4o_1GzObpEmxFGwqmcZjvRLGQU G2hA7yvZv5SBvKsC1hi2Ha61K8._yFkgf5uSX1lNRstomGvkU_EpMWt4XE0Y S1Z6jB5enw0lewNv4qYuVF6vCuF26PtWeKgU5Iol33reha622f6syMc56sdW jKau59qVENckAX6MoFXCp7AYdB_BkjmTFd3e7HpXQxBwQpnJPyIq8_ssJPj_ bHqiG0H.UwJMiUBCQa5whWcExhZjg7f3.E48XCZYwxzB49ybi1zCAn5k0G_b .tQwMP1_DQjfosn8uPPWcLEom4eVy1XV.4e0grH_rF1geSMgDioeIJEa3DwG F5Fj8GA3LlGJX7xJUSOdIpfp0PdbHIilOB2i0KeNJOuBbc8Qcu82_asvOyvN rEmSlyq.ZxImLKHNQzHJhlSTsyT2PMbusYQaEQqUdcil52T0gJChqsW3aPZh BVLxBl2_Cx7BcbR_YZypJX5mZUwwzlijqLw-- login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2013 13:50:57 -0700 PDT From: "John Niolon" To: "Jeff Scarbrough" , "shop-talk" References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com><518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:50:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net spent lots of summers letting a DB 2 wheeler drag me thru hi grass... changing out sickle bar teeth... running from yellow jackets... and all with no helmet or harness... how did we live through it !!! That would work better than a "MOWER".... it just cut the weeds then lay them down...easier to rake or "windrow" to clean up... good memory, thanks Jeff john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Scarbrough" To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:27 PM, John Niolon wrote: >> jim, >> >> they are called 'walk-behinds... and the little sulky is an accessory... >> here's a link >> >> http://www.gravely.com/en-us/walk-behind-mowers/Pro-Walk-Hydro-Drive/Pages/default.aspx > > I used to have an old David Bradley 2-wheel tractor with a sickle bar > mower, whih would be good for that task, as well as satisfying one's > needs for tinkering on old machinery. > > Tractor: http://www.w-t-p.com/2005/D03-7937.jpg > > Mower: http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/maOwxo9R2-PZsUrtEHoL8kQ.jpg > > You might be able to find something like that cheap, if you're so > inclined. Otherwise, get someone to bush hog it twice a year. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 15:36:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F001840424 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE84403F1 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:12:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id e14so7987423iej.29 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3gLoxLftVxomzqXc3z/eZTXX/oOlCK9tia72stT4gPs=; b=T5pyRxr1RcNssy02DxEw3c7f6SWApNAOFhx4VDkrC5QMBJ+43q13oewuwke2+nPIUM 6RqT6N1Mp1sFbGKJfuq0sR3ClTnubtBkuEu4JASETPUNK1MX1pEfW7pBaZoSC6ELYbmg PcIHULSKMD/BKKJ/SCzq3FIkqP7hIML4F4d3n3PQOpok1eZUgZ8pBonM5LnF2dWuFtZc cT6PwtKPC599A2Yp3cjm4g2ndUDwdO4YCK0ZXqn/gtcO07UV2sVmOziJr10R6EOT3g2K 5FaIgcfRyGwe8ljV6ce1KR0eVtNZodWUia0bOgU0zc3CB5mupA0HtlW/ROsRCMuzoqoO RWwg== jj4mr10600494igb.38.1369861722618; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.64.37 with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 16:08:42 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net *I guess I'm a cheap patient person but I deal with 100 x 200 foot lot (1/2 acre) when it gets out of hand and 2 feet high just by raising the cutting height to the top and grinding around in low gear taking a half swath when it's REALLY heavy. Use the chute instead of the bag and throw the cut material to the outside. After a few days of drying* * time, go back over to shred the clippings. I use a LawnBoy 12 hp rider with a single blade. Takes about an hour and I use the cup holder for a Bud.* *Tony* On 29 May 2013 15:28, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:27 PM, John Niolon wrote: > > jim, > > > > they are called 'walk-behinds... and the little sulky is an accessory... > > here's a link > > > > > http://www.gravely.com/en-us/walk-behind-mowers/Pro-Walk-Hydro-Drive/Pages/default.aspx > > I used to have an old David Bradley 2-wheel tractor with a sickle bar > mower, whih would be good for that task, as well as satisfying one's > needs for tinkering on old machinery. > > Tractor: http://www.w-t-p.com/2005/D03-7937.jpg > > Mower: http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/maOwxo9R2-PZsUrtEHoL8kQ.jpg > > You might be able to find something like that cheap, if you're so > inclined. Otherwise, get someone to bush hog it twice a year. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 16:37:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8390940552 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 16:37:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f51.google.com (mail-bk0-f51.google.com [209.85.214.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5335E40551 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 16:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ji1so3087571bkc.38 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:11:42 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=4hj5W6PMhI8gxQWUO9XSTnilgOKIa85GhX+6z6xid5Y=; b=aPwLPzGTFFm/l/yHsJTrdMW5DxPPjm2zaliA+UY6dgQciJnV8m54x4aO0QSSoiNX9q /ocze6u4RhUQ7E/tvahdtHdP7HeoDt1M4GzazEbt2i84ZqMW77CO2yr8eji1AHeS93Bn rxluISF9/6gmW1gsMBFLDY8WbgvvS8Bj2LrUWaq0ekCKVmGXrobuOK4espoK/usvNkIr Q+g0hj0K49PAIAx48ioIxnzevYTPZIMAIpeDmK4YXlY3zwqZp9+9ml+hcmc6amBkNgt0 t7giQKefFjTEHaSQPjafRdbLEJQBHcYspv56NSE1BI8/JRZJmEZ6KNd7KTBBPSJUF/u8 QLVQ== z9mr1067753bky.33.1369865501795; Wed, 29 May 2013 15:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.67] ([195.29.121.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hh3sm99427bkc.5.2013.05.29.15.11.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 29 May 2013 15:11:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> From: David Scheidt Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 00:11:37 +0200 To: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On May 29, 2013, at 22:28, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:27 PM, John Niolon wrote: >> jim, >> >> they are called 'walk-behinds... and the little sulky is an accessory... >> here's a link >> >> http://www.gravely.com/en-us/walk-behind-mowers/Pro-Walk-Hydro-Drive/Pages/de fault.aspx > > I used to have an old David Bradley 2-wheel tractor with a sickle bar > mower, whih would be good for that task, as well as satisfying one's > needs for tinkering on old machinery. > > Tractor: http://www.w-t-p.com/2005/D03-7937.jpg > > Mower: http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/maOwxo9R2-PZsUrtEHoL8kQ.jpg > > You might be able to find something like that cheap, if you're so > inclined. Otherwise, get someone to bush hog it twice a year. > I saw a whole bunch of some thing very similar in south Serbia last week, some pulling impressively large trailers loaded with hay. My wife's great uncle uses one to mow his hay fields. > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 17:27:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B35F4069A for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:27:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s16.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s16.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8771C403D0 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 17:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL401-EAS64 ([65.55.34.72]) by col0-omc2-s16.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 29 May 2013 16:00:42 -0700 References: <5f41275c.253954.13ef104ea30.Webtop.49@charter.net> From: Jim Stone Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 18:00:39 -0500 To: Tim FILETIME=[583A8730:01CE5CC0] Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] FW: Re:TIME SENSITIVE --Free hardtop for a TR 4 or other? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It also looked a lot like the top they made for Sunbeams. But the link was removed before I could get a second opinion on that. Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 11:05 AM, "Tim" wrote: > Looks liks this might be for a Datsun Roadster as it was recognized by someone from that list...... > > > -------- Begin forwarded message -------- > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: [Shop-talk] TIME SENSITIVE --Free hardtop for a TR 4 or other? > Date: 5/29/13 10:29:59 AM > From: "Carol Herrmann" > To: "Tim" > > > It looks like a "parish plastics" hard top from Pa. The was a neighbor of mine back in the '70's" who bought a "Miata looking " top for his SRL. It appears to be the same style top. Parish plastics got bought up by some other company years ago though. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 29, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Tim wrote: > >> From the shop talk list...... >> >> >> -------- Begin forwarded message -------- >> Subject: [Shop-talk] TIME SENSITIVE --Free hardtop for a TR 4 or other? >> Date: 5/29/13 9:22:36 AM >> From: eric@megageek.com >> To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net >> >> >> This was just posted to my local Craigslist. >> >> http://cnj.craigslist.org/zip/3808280608.html >> >> If any of you know what it will fit, and need it, let me know and I can >> pick it up for you. I'll ship it to you as well, but I don't know how >> much that will cost. >> >> Let me know. >> >> Eric P >> "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational >> being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph >> Waldo Emerson >> ________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 20:20:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699C54035A for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:20:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4943F42739 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.247]) by out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 30 May 2013 02:09:22 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 46B9B2F80AD; Thu, 30 May 2013 02:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 19:09:23 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I don't think "sickle bar" and "cheap" are allowed to be in the same sentence. At least, I have never seen any kind of sickle bar I would actually want to use for anything near what I would be willing to pay for it. To the O.P., one thing to consider would be to rent a DR Mower. Yes, it's walk behind, but it'll knock the grass down. Or find a neighbor with a tractor and brush hog. On 5/29/2013 1:28 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > I used to have an old David Bradley 2-wheel tractor with a sickle bar > mower, whih would be good for that task, as well as satisfying one's > needs for tinkering on old machinery. > > Tractor:http://www.w-t-p.com/2005/D03-7937.jpg > > Mower:http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/maOwxo9R2-PZsUrtEHoL8kQ.jpg _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 29 20:23:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649FC40551 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f53.google.com (mail-yh0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0550F403E9 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 20:23:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f53.google.com with SMTP id f64so1386211yha.26 for ; Wed, 29 May 2013 19:19:49 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=N9B27f65WYtViqKJ1FX9I9Ft5VA+pY3ucUlIpUMijRc=; b=Ip0eZr5jW2RvJt6HB9RrK5J9ir6r1T/Blb9WTVNm1v1GPYpdKWEYpTaNaajQ0+cM4H c5ZhpeLd5wIWF8Us544r7DGNI/kc7yapbjUdcOpQn7iOZUDu5uNPJHuVfp9aker0KjGh BJRlrNAaHHoeR1aNoKFxAtmWTnpNBuRbems+czw82/6FKs+qoXg1JJZYltRhM3Hn0cZN FjsOAvjo37/4MD+isQ7v6qk6H8Ga9/gvr2qVPp+bC765oVbBNlKy8iqT+ALAVzNLRKJg lT8FFiL0tD67JYzyWVYOZazkdRcPwOwu6NZyPWkMU/DMROFA+xbD/Pc+2otJXaUFn3kF XBWQ== y16mr2109528yhj.204.1369880389757; Wed, 29 May 2013 19:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.1.117] (23-24-168-187-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [23.24.168.187]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w12sm56530018yhj.19.2013.05.29.19.19.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 29 May 2013 19:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 22:19:43 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> <51A6B4D3.8090309@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I just re-read the "half-acre" part. For half an acre, do what Dave says and rent the DR/brush hog. Half an acre is nothing to knock out with one of those. On 5/29/2013 10:09 PM, Dave C wrote: > To the O.P., one thing to consider would be to rent a DR Mower. Yes, > it's walk behind, but it'll knock the grass down. Or find a neighbor > with a tractor and brush hog. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 07:44:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F03F40532 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 07:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECAB40400 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 07:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4UDZ3hi086159 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:35:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 09:34:54 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwashers in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/28/2013 7:34 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > First, will normal dishwasher soap hurt engine parts, bare metals, etc? > Next, is there a soap that I should use that will not hurt the dishwasher? > Finally, are there things that should NOT go in there? I've found them to be really good at cleaning plastic car parts over the years. The Ex insisted on eating fast food breakfast & what not on her long commute and would trash a car interior. Routine was 4 bolts - pull driver's seat, dismantle center console & part of dash, throw in dishwasher. Vacuum up crud (SUPER easy and more thorough with nothing in the way -- easily worth time of disassembly) while the D.W. is running. Also ran a lot of under hood plastic parts like covers, intake parts, etc. Haven't done many metal parts. But I suspect any heavy oil or grease would gack up a D.W. in a hurry. And the BIG thing to avoid -- do NOT use any kind of foamy detergents!!! Regular dish soap or Simple Green will foam like mad and make a hellish mess of foam you can't hardly get rid of! -w _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 09:17:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E9440532 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:17:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C89A4042C for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:17:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130530151329.GOOK10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:13:29 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id iFDV1l00b0x0GZM05FDV39; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:13:29 -0400 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=WWOxS3JqnY0A:10 a=6F_rZvkVNb-YaOeKGqIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Axf2eAAv2qUApG6DrRAA:9 a=s3Abu0sgXL5ugxaj:21 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:13:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 11:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] thunk going into reverse Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 92 ford tempo that both my daughters drove while in high school. It has now been mostly sitting for the past two years with some usage last summer and random weekends druing this time frame. It has less than 75,000 miles on it (original old lady car from GA when we got it six years ago with only 52K at that time. It had the original plug wires stamped with 1992 on them and probably the original coolant based on the chunky choclate milk consistancy.) Anyway, I moved it yesterday and was reminded of the thunk I get after putting it in reverse (NOT during shift lever movement) and stepping on the gas. If my foot is left on the brake pedal, it does not thunk until after I remove my foot from the brake and press on the gas. It does not seem to do this when shift into drive. Is this CV axle or tranny? Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 10:01:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303BF40532 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-bk0-f47.google.com (mail-bk0-f47.google.com [209.85.214.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9B540430 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 09:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f47.google.com with SMTP id jg1so245491bkc.34 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:54:16 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=wnD1OAC4/tYoT6Vb4VHUPvTXpDPOq8qWMMjHa9mpA58=; b=Jw9nd6sTjjyHEGL5cIPPJnOJtZZsx7RXoNVyvIyQKyKzk43MUri0WOE+qtlZfxTGsp AYo0zd3jQI1CVvqSfZUoS3/HfqX7fFh86JpUezqY3jJnpGwhYaiyw5EFxW8c/QkDb6kR ZnzFLwCMne+AQulhTQ9tKxdCd2+Ciqd+tbilRQ1BOJZNIvrVahw/lV33jp+H+6/UjIvU ZddrqeAdXzjFth+AilFL8RNmawSJ1LDgUiPPIcK2LQvcx3DUAcTVHWrUXu/G90iuGDV3 OL47oXqhiPVyKdIOWSlPK4eCjJbJ31VIh7XHZQ4/QMs6sTpArYlJE18gwj8leYNbZLjP 9Lwg== tt6mr2030076bkb.171.1369929256708; Thu, 30 May 2013 08:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.67] ([195.29.121.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id iy11sm13921577bkb.11.2013.05.30.08.54.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 30 May 2013 08:54:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <6a6679d6.83f801.13ef6003897.Webtop.44@charter.net> From: David Scheidt Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 17:54:13 +0200 To: Tim Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] thunk going into reverse Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On May 30, 2013, at 17:13, Tim wrote: > I have a 92 ford tempo that both my daughters drove while in high > school. It has now been mostly sitting for the past two years with some > usage last summer and random weekends druing this time frame. It has > less than 75,000 miles on it (original old lady car from GA when we got > it six years ago with only 52K at that time. It had the original plug > wires stamped with 1992 on them and probably the original coolant based > on the chunky choclate milk consistancy.) > > Anyway, I moved it yesterday and was reminded of the thunk I get after > putting it in reverse (NOT during shift lever movement) and stepping on > the gas. If my foot is left on the brake pedal, it does not thunk until > after I remove my foot from the brake and press on the gas. > > It does not seem to do this when shift into drive. > > Is this CV axle or tranny? Motor mount, tranny mount is my first guess. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 10:55:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0ACA4051C for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E4340427 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130530165114.IXPQ10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:51:14 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id iGrE1l00E0x0GZM05GrEdW; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:51:14 -0400 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=frrkKiRt3j0A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=RDUHh6XDEUwA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=wVIxvtQoL9DubFS4gO0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=OevZzZgJm9Sa3crATNcA:9 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=dyYoHCPeWFAuXwn-:21 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:51:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 12:51:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] thunk going into reverse Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Oh, that would be nice...and considerably cheaper to fix on a car not worth much to begin with. Did I mention my oldest backed into a light pole, dead center of the rear end? She managed to not break a light so I fixed it with a BFH and made her track down and pay for a replacement hood and bumper (diff color of course!) and then my youngest backed into an oncoming truck which managed to miss her all but a small little clip on the bumper? (So we have a three colored car!) I wonder if I could get $250 for it.....it does run good....who cares that the crappy ford window motors are all dead and you can no longer really put the windows down..... Thanks for hopefully good news!! tim On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Doug Braun wrote: I agree. Doug On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:54 AM, David Scheidt < dmscheidt@gmail.com > wrote: Motor mount, tranny mount is my first guess. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 12:18:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F46542795 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5303442771 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r4UIAvl1030625; Thu, 30 May 2013 18:10:59 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Tim" , "Shop Talk" References: <6a6679d6.83f801.13ef6003897.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 14:10:31 -0400 a=frrkKiRt3j0A:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Zv-Rtg-a8tSA0SMCaTEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] thunk going into reverse Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I second the notion that motor/transmission mounts are what I'd check first. If you open the hood and replicate the scenario you might be able to see the engine jumping as its torque moves it off a broken mount. Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Shop Talk" Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:13 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] thunk going into reverse >I have a 92 ford tempo > I moved it yesterday and was reminded of the thunk I get after > putting it in reverse (NOT during shift lever movement) and stepping on > the gas. If my foot is left on the brake pedal, it does not thunk until > after I remove my foot from the brake and press on the gas. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 12:38:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41BB42771 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm48-vm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm48-vm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9174271D for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 12:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm48.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 18:34:00 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.249] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 18:34:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1062.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2013 18:34:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 98309 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2013 18:34:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1369938840; bh=TVJyUsQawp4jVdeO8Uzll/P9UoR6fGGk4xw2QGdWy+U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Pf4/qQn0xUHepOwdshiEYvahHOj4efdL7tTzFAf1qPr/lGDnyIu0Wozncl8Nvncco+ObR5IETDmdUfZgfq9y2Ar2esQU7uPBB8LBwsLFChov5DjS+uBvKoE8GB1qF48zqE4vERSIRwdrhpN9k/hs6ckYEUQ8sbWvGy6Y5BOS3Z8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tMjmD3VKIrpWLLD0dLKSUPSL5K5V14qcXgQsSqVCV7zgd83fv+25xEfmYgbcW7PdX23nRQac77x4xRtsIXIjgbqR2VwQO7AJ57ziFu39A6lezkdr55uZg4RYN0jfsRvWla9mCiZmcOb4gsDiXtZ70n1WyltrUUrJhBFZgDIGy+Y=; .8nI2aFt9aYUpHN22zww1UIwwfgKW1tIJMhuwxZGTTzFboTlefOshLighiAi 52gP3mUrVbcBo7M3iH40huluOT6okdpRVDtikbJOs04idfldmn8aB3PZKaf5 vSWo5zVPqMSgH6evx9ppvNvM_5NciVukejyBzHhpRdXyXelXC0hN1i_tkvgw HUpN7tLFEO1dd1zMgPM3CvM3k_0X2.QzFE_0Dy5ZSBNv.D86X7Jc1MQr1hzh FTLGn8e5NawOK7iK5NyUXNm2CWfhdsp4qk9d_VYtVEveLkrwCc4VEIYjMlZA JLrxTzQb4rybpdceG7HUS2q.G12eOTKThUpqoKcmoZtTOzD3E5TsdTQmxMbM c70MeWrZ2.3OFJ7NOgWqgahOggTAf8C92V0N06NHlZvSbTkenwZPiwVxZQB3 3gafehBjLfPqotex6UgFCb7gMAmFsZNRBTukOCv1.CI9ztmeNH5ZZG99bp49 8cMZacux0FoJv.G6D.MXZiGh.AeRO5uXOFlbFqA3Zo6ge5uDt4VyN9tW1VsT x7jKgrHOIwfWtOrZcrSawbi4CaE96qsvCEj.sX8p40X8dXIfkU.gLs_40pf3 vlnNKoHMcat8pIb5p50_ULz8ONYgfOd2EZ.TKEzHpmH0ACXQszTq978dF9f9 NWPUS Received: from [173.252.176.137] by web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:34:00 PDT QSBiaXQgb2YgZ29vZ2xpbmcgZHVnIHVwIHRoaXMuLi4KCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZm9yZGZvcnVtcy5jb20vZjMwNy9sb3VkLWNsdW5rLXJldmVyc2UtOTMtdGVtcG8tZ2wtODA0NzcvCgoKQnJha2UgcGFkcyB0aGF0IGFyZSBtaXNzaW5nIGhhcmR3YXJlIG1heSBjYXVzZSBjbHVuayBub2lzZXMgdG9vLsKgCgoKLS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLQo.IEZyb206IFRpbSA8dHB1dGxhbmRAY2hhcnRlci5uZXQ.CihzbmlwKQo.IE9oLCB0aGF0IHdvdWxkIGJlIG5pY2UuLi5hbmQgY29uc2lkZXJhYmx5IGMBMAEBAQE- References: <110b9463.840968.13ef659b737.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 11:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] thunk going into reverse Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A bit of googling dug up this... http://www.fordforums.com/f307/loud-clunk-reverse-93-tempo-gl-80477/ Brake pads that are missing hardware may cause clunk noises too. ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim (snip) > Oh, that would be nice...and considerably cheaper to fix on a car not > worth much to begin with. > > Did I mention my oldest backed into a light pole, dead center of the > rear end? She managed to not break a light so I fixed it with a BFH and > made her track down and pay for a replacement hood and bumper (diff > color of course!) and then my youngest backed into an oncoming truck > which managed to miss her all but a small little clip on the bumper? (So > we have a three colored car!) I wonder if I could get $250 for it.....it > does run good....who cares that the crappy ford window motors are all > dead and you can no longer really put the windows down..... > > Thanks for hopefully good news!! > tim > (snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 14:42:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC4F40454 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680E640357 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:42:35 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=RDUHh6XDEUwA:10 a=cum6exDs2j4W2uoHIo0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:59639] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 85/C7-25428-5C8B7A15; Thu, 30 May 2013 20:38:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 20:38:29 +0000 From: Randall To: Shop Talk Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] thunk going into reverse Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Is this CV axle or tranny? I'd check the torque strut first (assuming it has one). Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 18:21:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2FF40416 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 18:21:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9FD403D0 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 18:21:35 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 19:58:16 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 05/30/2013 20:01:49, Serialize complete at 05/30/2013 20:01:49 Subject: [Shop-talk] TIME SENSITIVE - The hard top listing is back Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Here it is... http://cnj.craigslist.org/zip/3839511459.html Again, it's free, so if you need it, let me know and I'll get it and ship it to you. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 30 21:16:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4437F403D7 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 21:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.191]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B5240357 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 21:16:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 03:12:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.172] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 03:12:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 03:12:00 -0000 ld9m4kpSUiFSdiWwQ4fkGmdxgDVz2COeCt8jej0b7bKYS52MA5DbVhXjKnyX iG.skXUY9mgSYL8.zRkeAMeXg9eaqYw7x4_r9xd2Me48zanw_BkT749psszQ tvZ6XEupGnB4T_sXA2oy.UJ1e33pI3dRSrH8Z4SdbgXs1QtZ_fepvvZk3_4r d5qlF4.ekXE6Iv34uvlDJMvnqfFY98idWz8yUgbZLU4mjoSoxyzUdUEHI.WF U4ZHYoOzEUQe_5sRgWf3mByL8JWtCmbY4_dXJRLaOXHfBO3ZtEdsM3znjPLh puYi4aRwZenNvoNnAiopfFV1u98HuPG0NCAWv1uHQ2ddEcI.6fP1sJgNqG8N WrQFfUTZcWrqSA8hi4WVXM6CWnJISgmpFRXidHHS83_34OP84P0DIIRpBWlR XD790HQL56lkXs.03hkwcyxqfbeB.gc.M12zAf1XT7TrkPVh.6Ocm3YZHbBK xbFjs1i_9fEC4 smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2013 20:12:00 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Jim Franklin'" , References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 22:12:09 -0500 Thread-Index: AQI0ZyjmfJ7nCAbOoohfhjifsbQHdgNbVmxhAupqj1+YIFvPwA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, Not sure that it's the machine for the job, but the commonly-seen brand of standing mower around here (Chicago area) is Wright Stander. It might not be distributed very widely, but I really don't know - only that I see them pretty much every day all summer. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Jim Franklin Subject: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? I'd like to get one of those stand-on mowers I see the pros using that really scoot, and either mulch or drive it towards the center/edge, but I have no idea what to search for. Any ideas/experiences? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 06:37:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CE540510 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 06:37:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mania.lunarmania.com (mania.lunarmania.com [67.210.98.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A193C403C5 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 06:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net ([99.7.68.55]:52909 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by mania.lunarmania.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UiOW9-0006Vu-Dg for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 31 May 2013 05:33:13 -0700 From: Bob Nogueira Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 07:33:18 -0500 To: Shop Talk with any abuse report bob@texmog.com Subject: [Shop-talk] Stereo cooling in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My 40 year old Realistic stereo in the garage finally died. I replaced it with a TEAC unit. The Realistic unit had a walnut case with the cooling vents located on the backside. The TEAC unit has the cooling vents on the top of the case. I'm worried that with the amount of dust generated in the garage I'll have a heavy build up of dust inside the case. If I place some air filter material over the vents will I be limiting the air flow enough that the unit overheats.? Any suggestions or am I being paranoid? Neither unit has a cooling fan, Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 08:04:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5513C40510 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 08:04:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A97E403FB for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 07:59:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130531135521.BIGQ10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:55:21 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id idvM1l00W0x0GZM05dvMV0; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:55:21 -0400 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=tcCWJg0ekSYA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=ggoTZFTJM3EA:10 a=O7cf9bOaZoKk_aoWZW0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:55:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 09:55:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stereo cooling in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net When I replaced the old tube style tuner in my shop I ended up buying a big ugly boom box combo unit that would play my ipod (and CDs if I was so inclined). I have a big plastic shopping bag that I pull all the way down over it when not in use and lift it up so it just sits on the top when in use so as to keep the fall out to a minimum. It is not really pretty, but then again neither am I nor is most of my shop space. tim On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Bob Nogueira wrote: > My 40 year old Realistic stereo in the garage finally died. I replaced > it with > a TEAC unit. The Realistic unit had a walnut case with the cooling > vents > located on the backside. The TEAC unit has the cooling vents on the > top of the > case. > I'm worried that with the amount of dust generated in the garage I'll > have a > heavy build up of dust inside the case. > If I place some air filter material over the vents will I be limiting > the air > flow enough that the unit overheats.? Any suggestions or am I > being > paranoid? > Neither unit has a cooling fan, > > Bob > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 08:06:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E82F42720 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 08:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAE140405 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 08:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130531135555.BIQT10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:55:55 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id idvv1l00E0x0GZM05dvvRE; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:55:55 -0400 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=tcCWJg0ekSYA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=ggoTZFTJM3EA:10 a=6UsFr7bd6ygKqOC80EIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:55:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 09:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stereo cooling in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Oh yea, I don't have an over heating issue and I am in WI. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Bob Nogueira wrote: > My 40 year old Realistic stereo in the garage finally died. I replaced > it with > a TEAC unit. The Realistic unit had a walnut case with the cooling > vents > located on the backside. The TEAC unit has the cooling vents on the > top of the > case. > I'm worried that with the amount of dust generated in the garage I'll > have a > heavy build up of dust inside the case. > If I place some air filter material over the vents will I be limiting > the air > flow enough that the unit overheats.? Any suggestions or am I > being > paranoid? > Neither unit has a cooling fan, > > Bob > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 10:08:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053F442708 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com (mail-pd0-f171.google.com [209.85.192.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF754040D for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f171.google.com with SMTP id z11so2437395pdj.30 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:04:08 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=lWrCrUiInPXpJyoTharIA8g2jLEi0hh54UBlKn7B5pI=; b=kGPfG9ULVDtb7rmjVoXtsZ5zsUVZ0A4iHm29nVqZ5uGGKku2nnklPFHdqUu8FqEjqh aAwiN3hJM3v7JMh7cpb3dEaX9DyJiwOFpD2CpLgrcROSrGihhAlJHET7w/l06UVYykku GCkJBiKs1xjHqm5JydChY8HPUGiMHYsIIvrvhAolPbpBASIB844xhSQEq9rX/WYYswXP 96ot0JYgv0iVr5Voscic/LPDf1dJMdgeDeJqdNDHP78bLCOB8/6l3jvCzcFUBkrMCzgS avUTQkxaULNkIgzcD5vRvKeolBW02G76nznfrRTki34eI23bsYZh3Yw0ZpuSVb17ypGJ C5xQ== zm10mr14382981pac.53.1370016248054; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.2.5 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:04:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> <000901ce5dac$a3c8ffa0$eb5afee0$@Ameritech.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:04:07 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Perhaps something simpler would work for the original poster's task: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzdjOkLQw1s Doug On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Karl Vacek wrote: > Jim, > Not sure that it's the machine for the job, but the commonly-seen brand of > standing mower around here (Chicago area) is Wright Stander. It might not > be distributed very widely, but I really don't know - only that I see them > pretty much every day all summer. > Karl > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Franklin > Subject: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? > > I'd like to get one of those stand-on mowers I see the pros using that > really scoot, and either mulch or drive it towards the center/edge, but I > have no idea what to search for. Any ideas/experiences? > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 10:10:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B00E42718 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f49.google.com (mail-pb0-f49.google.com [209.85.160.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF2B4040D for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id rp8so2417531pbb.8 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:05:59 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=9NtyvadjANHRnuWmR+IHd5WM/eapQMgZy7WIZIh99U4=; b=MaCj3y7ErYJkxdpIaq/xeDDznU/j3qDfZA324nXN+5ItxL7Mh6zOPkJdoTKxzIfKqH grjQ9cwk3Y06d2gtNBq5m4ln4WoUOy9yrjgFEWOMPUx6Sa2lNy1fDSHcjlhEJwilKAIa cCvnn8qDT14CTVcR0sXlSP0h6sGhDqMlX93hoLG0u/tGw84gHekbZE/xJNBOlh19SO3i yGopb6O4LolGyCvhWkZi1hOIWBRhuN4jnE2uUFovHjHudNnU/5wf0zI38T4Yj8Nnj52D 2SfkvKMkMnLLn5Skx3/ZfWjqHO69SBya6mj2O4UjaYZa04K7LSuWNzbJGIWYRpNQNt4r tRVA== tp5mr4490719pab.3.1370016359862; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.2.5 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 09:05:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> <000901ce5dac$a3c8ffa0$eb5afee0$@Ameritech.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:05:59 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This also puts it in perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsfIHiBB6xE On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > Perhaps something simpler would work for the original poster's task: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzdjOkLQw1s > > Doug > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Karl Vacek wrote: > >> Jim, >> Not sure that it's the machine for the job, but the commonly-seen brand of >> standing mower around here (Chicago area) is Wright Stander. It might not >> be distributed very widely, but I really don't know - only that I see them >> pretty much every day all summer. >> Karl >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Franklin >> Subject: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? >> >> I'd like to get one of those stand-on mowers I see the pros using that >> really scoot, and either mulch or drive it towards the center/edge, but I >> have no idea what to search for. Any ideas/experiences? >> thanks, >> jim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 11:25:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0410140530 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:25:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9629A40415 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:25:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm26.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 17:21:01 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.244] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 17:21:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 17:21:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 79515 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2013 17:21:01 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370020861; bh=gRGPdICxrRUgTFv1TT+C9hdzQedMebiFBE4Wamdsrv4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aJJyhp1S6FPXw7jlNfl/bgf2p/5UZdWIN8U5uylwr0QlUi+hanhJD/15dbIO7aYB03W6vf4UZcdt4x9ZlIyAXWoWy5dMKO5zhrhzZ0fPintYfYiQCKKXAq3uZ+LaPExWx0X7PDpB9P2FPNVRpRrnKlSuJ3uoudWYrl2YeuN02LY= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sJ7+d9AlkRdcAuANOFFouYSvnfaXpuBOp5Rrbui87AHPx4z49XhZXgDP4hIIWzhS7TwOufaEZXpzC7k6RtAf49l0JxrXdtXkabxLJ9sfVNvamOqR0889fTAVON1MhGKOe9j+KTZC9SQ5napVUP9MPOeMTzfS5QF5FZ15UPUPnTc=; 7DD1JXjfFVpkkwHLyoRJt5X2MaoKhe_h4YcQ3JMfwQF9zXLtoB0Ho2Wb676I nD.4iLQFXD.NOTvRuqa3nIGPMU_mOu0wI8HdqDq.se4fDEV2Z_UICx1IemjY y9Vrtlrvp_JEjdvrglgAUWciGORB9ExrwftUuM_ZYfjOtxpzv9GT2ugTKHmU yhxT9l0qyY7a5O0VDBN8tnXNq79s3BIF2QzovvvOanbcmh2QxLUbq0JYvBjM fD6CAOlI9RrPTIL62tz_PZdP3mWVCwUAxFjxME.7vh4txc2sGRCtbLcBW52y luJFmstx3dPJSNTWqwZRXH9HSSw0RsZ.xW00SzzHoEK0p_i8F7.2vh7ODZcR hGepKZZTpwPAneOvpBbO2vc9.9WiPXk24gqIulflmGujwoUZOhFzo0XJkknr AXbEQEhVxuzIqdIBFCnqEBmjupXjwipLCzYLEE7TAOfp7umr28z.aT8Thtxd YBOqutowGIXwYgZ0En9gn4.uneH_z6claZVyHCPsMmNrA95gxhB6z_s7bZtJ uABKLoujpuD8DQs7gLCbQxOsoqVpUXYHit9tCJGWOY1jSxabo.Qmrdh1jD8e 1BpMo72tRzvtdeg4ukO2LcMdV Received: from [173.252.176.137] by web140005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 10:21:01 PDT T25lIG1heSBub3RlIHRoZXJlIGFyZSBubyBpbmNoIG9yIHR3byBpbmNoIHRoaWNrIHNhcGxpbmdzIGluIGFueSBvZiB0aGUgdmlkZW9zLiDCoAoKSSBkdWcgYSBiaXQgYnV0IGRpZG4ndCBmaW5kIGFueS4gwqAgOikgwqAgwqAgTWF5IGJlIGFibGUgdG8gY2hhbmdlIG15IG1pbmQsIGJ1dApwb3dlciB0b29scyBldmVuIHdpdGggdGhlaXIgaXNzdWVzLCB3aWxsIHdpbiBvdmVyIGhhcmQgbGFib3IgYW55IGRheS7CoAoKKEkgbXVzdCBiZSBnZXR0aW5nIG9sZC4gPGJnPinCoAoKQnJpYW4KCgotLS0tLSBPcmlnaW4BMAEBAQE- References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> <000901ce5dac$a3c8ffa0$eb5afee0$@Ameritech.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 10:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net One may note there are no inch or two inch thick saplings in any of the videos. I dug a bit but didn't find any. :) May be able to change my mind, but power tools even with their issues, will win over hard labor any day. (I must be getting old. ) Brian ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Braun > To: Shop-Talk > Cc: > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? > > Perhaps something simpler would work for the original poster's task: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzdjOkLQw1s > > Doug > >(snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 11:28:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C552B4273C for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A945D40415 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:28:06 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=tcCWJg0ekSYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ggoTZFTJM3EA:10 a=TQAbC5Zw6afpQH2dt0sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 20/3E-25428-8ACD8A15; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:23:52 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Tim'" , "'Shop Talk'" Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 10:23:59 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5eB4PWGsEEQU6iS/uN/mr7RILFlAAGvbAg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stereo cooling in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'd just leave it alone. We get a lot of dust here too, and my 70's Pioneer receiver didn't seem to mind a 20 year accumulation. The electronics outlived the speakers. Of course the dial lights burned out a long time ago, so that might have helped -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 12:03:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F5842713 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:03:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978F342713 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:00:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ihvN1l0090QkzPwA5hwgZg; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:56:40 +0000 Received: from sz0220.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ihwg1l00K2yr1eL8NhwgTl; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:56:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:56:40 +0000 (UTC) From: pethier@comcast.net To: Bob Nogueira s=q20121106; t=1370023000; bh=YhjhBkjiklM+D33VISFLKoSdlpfwQpzZcGO0Z2ZU1JY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Jq7cx4TyCc09FXJ7mdHKb2lNnzXD2e9aMhJNSofCoanREemJ9Bsl9htGkPvWkB7JG XVjaZnWY3dhvupQQiNvdA/fZeDBVWWuMiip6Ui32k5cwCUgffKAl95Q5tfLU27LbKf /DZe31fYq9D881z1tI5pBzKV3hOBhuJ4LdZp/iDWsvaR2DROVnlLWoWAiukikhll7K HYfT9TqjDUJjU/xLXOTLOtDziS2KupCMyaellIcvoPNezpL8IFcPgSYbPutUBTtD4G eIeJyemvULtKPdplWKxdMpJAPi7dVhc1bW8NRawFu23fax+MggtvF+DflzB4Cv+2NQ pUXOdIOjyEdyA== Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stereo cooling in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How much did you pay for this thing? If not much, just run it. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 12:17:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B03142720 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:17:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f173.google.com (mail-gh0-f173.google.com [209.85.160.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1680F403E4 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gh0-f173.google.com with SMTP id g16so28606ghb.18 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:12:54 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=Gg8T6Q2237fnxHPIIVsJdVowAO2ODPaq51UAZybd5NM=; b=Z3u0T3RjL6e0BT/icsFiq3xLyOXDrhU5Mc++qrskgMzPyISWwOLnPVqIL4o9PV5yky pjEgcMn6Ef0aQDxlMJnlqu79TP53r1VnnmV1Agyu5neuqZBqFxejm4y1GWD2FXJ1Grhg ovPq3KEt2DUS46zl2/9UpowAvI1arLkDLjSQ6ctJ85U1jTvfxEr2MXsI4jKv1OVejjS/ 32tLO+/YQh8dzx2hLaxWTU2yoloRDLwon5zsMhpGqI6kMiKP24Z51zmIfV/7HW7atDKi y/ueRgt0DQ4q73ZAj1byBI47lEETVmxi7cuDwFcCQve1nyxykmblxVrMXJwl1frHEohn 1tkA== Fri, 31 May 2013 11:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2600:1007:b11f:dff1:2c95:3b40:f70b:4eab? ([2600:1007:b11f:dff1:2c95:3b40:f70b:4eab]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j20sm21728829yhi.1.2013.05.31.11.12.52 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 31 May 2013 11:12:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> <000901ce5dac$a3c8ffa0$eb5afee0$@Ameritech.net> <1370020861.78365.YahooMailNeo@web140005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Paul Parkanzky Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:12:49 -0400 To: Battmain Cc: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Some of my friends invoke John Henry sometimes. I remind them that he died at the end and the machine kept going. -Paul On May 31, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Battmain wrote: > One may note there are no inch or two inch thick saplings in any of the > videos. > > I dug a bit but didn't find any. :) May be able to change my > mind, but > power tools even with their issues, will win over hard labor any > day. > > (I must be getting old. ) > > Brian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Braun >> To: Shop-Talk > >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? >> >> Perhaps something simpler would > work for the original poster's task: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzdjOkLQw1s >> >> Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 12:25:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A777403DF for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:25:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCF4403B2 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:25:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ickK1l0031swQuc56iM9VR; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:21:09 +0000 Received: from stargate ([71.238.130.71]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id iiM61l00W1YaTWF3biM7Ce; Fri, 31 May 2013 18:21:09 +0000 From: "gordies garage" To: "shop talk" References: <100309921.1132394.1370023000152.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:21:25 -0400 s=q20121106; t=1370024469; bh=sn7sMd80ZpCJuQJXII75Pdh12qCqrykjqvMYYwy0wQc=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=F3XaFRQzvwBa/36YIt8ibhMzhmjwZO5LFVrdcwPNjDUf/5ehk4tzpARgasYw/zrWM tef7YaIsBSYTL9XxA51uGReeJKSh7HOuYAx5fwQqmfERKzb7Fhd7XpB4ru7wl4O0Gj WS4tsHGbZLKEzFkjLmyYKDwPusI1BzGFXZL26G1jrYBXNl5IsZRsZqqhUrJi4ZLjaQ mb026FSUe3nuQ52uimfTxd3aagk0lH5AeRkfMik+wgGEkHwmlRAtXXb3MloxYyV5n3 Vdresr8QdPc7KM7pkuUWuPQ5OzdG1SLpGQZtO/CwsVhaQpRLdkCD2DI3X8pBfd9wsf lWmKIW+EZlORw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stereo cooling in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a relatively nice Sony receiver in the garage and I simply use a small towel to cover the top when not in use and fold it over itself when in use. Been a couple years and no problems other than the neighbors when I crank up the Bose Series II speakers attached to it. Gordie _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 12:42:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDEF42709 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com (mail-pd0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5987F40420 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 12:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w11so2617025pde.9 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:34:05 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=TxAjY/K7Fv36xXmXwpxvX8VR1dPiGd7tQRT5q2Agpdk=; b=CHlcJVYoglp2sJ5XQ/TowBkdlh4c1rqTBfl+8/jvImQ5Eo6BKaWK7dtH5tNT1fpxyM 0lb67RVEd4xXjjhbx8Dsy6+Dfs5sN+TVMK5sgK1MCKlk+uzDaOYfkS9oSu5QDdzdpN/V RyPIGeNTePEk78UrK2nBbbf4mEAlvCy48cFPe7pqBXo6eG8ZdxihYI05QWct/lr22d1x urqlX/nyKODzSNiNag6ZviRdqR7SNNxwQM9mvvHeZgNHog+4vhso+pZCy/UB1ohjx5HA kGOzGUZvxORsmdoGN+XJoWdHLWZrMDKRuEzcVnYbXmsJ+dMgvgD7Lg0MUfCJ57xrpWkm MnDQ== l6mr14393225pbc.202.1370025244848; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.2.5 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 11:34:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> <000901ce5dac$a3c8ffa0$eb5afee0$@Ameritech.net> <1370020861.78365.YahooMailNeo@web140005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 14:34:04 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You mean something like this? http://www.latef.org/images/BobMachete.JPG Doug On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Battmain wrote: > One may note there are no inch or two inch thick saplings in any of the > videos. > > I dug a bit but didn't find any. :) May be able to change my > mind, but > power tools even with their issues, will win over hard labor any > day. > > (I must be getting old. ) > > Brian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Doug Braun > > To: Shop-Talk > > > Cc: > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? > > > > Perhaps something simpler would > work for the original poster's task: > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzdjOkLQw1s > > > > Doug > > > >(snip) > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 14:28:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5416F40415 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 14:28:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEBA403DF for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 14:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ED16B8269 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 13:18:57 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=r609itgKb5hpXSJgaBJAIodMeys=; b=jw+uj6Kx9QYa A82MJGqybZtTQZxAHLa5fNIxTuCWTpYU6yJ/i4folA70UN18n3uE7exn7VTkZ2bw C1XnkS2Q5PZ0PcaIR34DGXSD4ItL4crT26rkwWROivqos23NER8HtP4vC2qX7cUb 3t6ePxaWnq0zcdQhXZ2w9gXAbg9OLuc= Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-96-237-249-101.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [96.237.249.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9AC376B8227 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 13:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 16:18:56 -0400 References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> <000901ce5dac$a3c8ffa0$eb5afee0$@Ameritech.net> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You, uh, haven't met me :-) Let's say I more represent the animal that'd graze on that grass than either of the contestants. However, I did find a landscaping company that will do it for $50/cut. They wanted $100 to do the first cut but my girlfriend wanted to play with the rider mower and did about half before it got dark. Thanks for all your responses. A friend does have a 46" commercial mower she'd sell me but I'd need to buy the sulky. Not sure what that entails but once the heat breaks here in MA I'll venture outside and see what she has. jim On May 31, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > This also puts it in perspective: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsfIHiBB6xE > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > >> Perhaps something simpler would work for the original poster's task: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzdjOkLQw1s >> >> Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 16:26:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F50D40418 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55E940382 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm27.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 22:22:00 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.227] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 22:22:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 22:22:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 92719 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2013 22:22:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370038920; bh=AXksSW7V/MeggZySF/epeBgyl+JntQKKt0+yEyKx4jg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OeRNJgvwBSyw5IlBBouaDRFtnQKFXanC3v0Qxxpfs98oWvqxEuEBsw4R16lxnh3WfGEA+c6wZS16Gfa/xpA1t5o+WLD3/ibygFY0Pm8/5qB/FmOc9G7ne1pRWticfSSyaEQzQjYXDQo7hIA6sv88XUJYSSHfu5VKSJhYMUDXEk4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Fg+JzfnsN6xEsX2oJ/AONh/++LJcjaHbZtU3ML+QycTpC4tGHl2mBkpctBGY5KYPWBRLo0PTT+SFnomD9jJJRG7IrZc7166R8i+bb1gLuX+RSaJmPx2apMC29M7p9Xmx2u+HgQ0Xj4kd+Fd2h7JGZJdhIfkqYSfvNZtJ0QznRNI=; 7sp2bSWwq0Va.sbH2jYCI7_V833Wd5WShgP7t5nTNhhFmTzfSsZLuJuWOURb 63uhsPzs8hd1IyGRvOsnWvXPeM9y6eBAdzfTqUZKEYW.HTlkIU9ux8D7577G _zIFtOAgX0nZUdG_jkL77_cHiVSp95TVfrrBd8FO6lymR8LDQQX4AkeRuxXb ARPuw9vtagSvhZmBbnnV_UhiQQ9dIS8yLWAzqwSKtSVJm4V_QhyRBKAEO9jF _AcbIRnAr8SvrjADGoWPNOBy6BmSQZKvs3pke0eD_NNALrmQCQq1yDLZinow IbhT1G4CjO8THPE5LNVX8cCwM0ugyCeckSLpbROvtlwDou21pbMQuUlCdZuW 2lHIIi1EY6L7Xk54PXtdDcMEGVWwxS3yTBAJcTqFfwS0yvqOfwlA_wi7Ry2A qZCAiyX4frFLv796EVgd9g.FQusiZ8.Kx89V0yDg8trLDmMs8NUj30m.8Nus a6JSUHZouA_w76gM.DcVsDJKNRgjyAJbrkLmeHsYpYk9L_9XnEgK0DuRvG12 M9fUiFYd9fV8brpPI0q5CGiiAjkmGNUcvA.BlI7dW0ADYRy9fxhkka_ZiBdk .McV7bZnq2r.xYaojTDlqX7zaqBW9VRMtvQqWPfn2.iTgybmP1e66c5b7xBh 4dO6kM0TY_s0VM7fPxnKCMEGw43CCnDhWRMF6gk06bxuwPAmp4QDhhTRIR.z 4r9i8glkmPiCrgOelCIbhjI8- Received: from [173.252.176.137] by web140001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:22:00 PDT SGFoYS4gV2hlcmUgSSdtIG9yaWdpbmFsbHkgZnJvbSwgdGhleSBzdGlsbCBjdXQgZ3Jhc3MgdGhhdCB3YXkgdG9kYXkuIDopIMKgCgpUaGUgbW90b3JpemVkIHRoaW5ncyBhcmUgYSBsdXh1cnkgdGhlcmUuIMKgSSd2ZSBuZXZlciBiZWVuIGFibGUgdG8gZ2V0IG15IG93biBtYWNoZXRlIHRoYXQgc2hhcnAuIEkgbmVlZCB0byBmaW5kIHNvbWVvbmUgd2hvIGtub3dzIHRoZSBhcnQuIEV2ZW4gbXkgdW5jbGUncyBtYWNoZXRlLCBJIGluaGVyaXRlZCB3aGVuIGhlIHBhc3NlZCwgaXMgc2hhcnAgZW5vdWdoIHRvIGMBMAEBAQE- References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> <000901ce5dac$a3c8ffa0$eb5afee0$@Ameritech.net> <1370020861.78365.YahooMailNeo@web140005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:22:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Haha. Where I'm originally from, they still cut grass that way today. :) The motorized things are a luxury there. I've never been able to get my own machete that sharp. I need to find someone who knows the art. Even my uncle's machete, I inherited when he passed, is sharp enough to cut paper. I remember him sitting there filing away on the edges. Brian ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Braun > To: Shop-Talk > Cc: > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? > > You mean something like this? > > http://www.latef.org/images/BobMachete.JPG > > Doug > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Battmain wrote: > >> One may note there are no inch or two inch thick saplings in any of the >> videos. >> >> I dug a bit but didn't find any. :) May be able to change my >> mind, but >> power tools even with their issues, will win over hard labor any >> day. >> >> (I must be getting old. ) >> >> Brian >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> From: Doug Braun >> > To: Shop-Talk >> >> > Cc: >> > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 12:04 PM >> > >> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? >> > >> > Perhaps something simpler would >> work for the original poster's task: >> > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzdjOkLQw1s >> > >> > Doug >> > >> >(snip) >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/battmain@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 16:48:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C774044C for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:48:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0055403A0 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 16:44:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hi5so1130209wib.6 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:40:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wcUa9T9wNxYHLrBtU+23yQ1BD3mSHiZVuey65QXJosE=; b=srEbUUzk+W1cDZPp/P2ms5n65lTW+7uE4+KY67wMuP5VgY6G3suNGjwJELiyu6uKZD A1ANEyBrNbqqpHMdF8IPIZPjcJ6fyP6usXmu4VKWF6//gkWoZkG8/u1mOWHd16ejFDel ASd1BNeSNx9c3QHFPPlXGhxMy9Osx1rRwZQCEQGThzV4Xz8iSBU0OwIjK1Wg8qd+a1mz hlcAHtdm97kt+qsfut/T2ZlVXsL/ky7H1fatjkRc0e2FUUY0GIAXvjWy7i+P/Ht52gNa EW4EFluv+sva7z+G37gTKQfSWLiDEOlZd5bvSqkVUHqZlW+K0hmtvRu0NwWr7YMcMNac s/VQ== bw13mr4950150wib.64.1370040003182; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.118.70 with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:40:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> <000901ce5dac$a3c8ffa0$eb5afee0$@Ameritech.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 17:40:03 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Jim Franklin , Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This girlfriend who mows half your yard while you natter about buying a mower; does she have a sister? On 31 May 2013 15:18, Jim Franklin wrote: > You, uh, haven't met me :-) > > Let's say I more represent the animal that'd graze on that grass than > either > of the contestants. > > However, I did find a landscaping company that will do it for $50/cut. They > wanted $100 to do the first cut but my girlfriend wanted to play with the > rider mower and did about half before it got dark. > > Thanks for all your responses. A friend does have a 46" commercial mower > she'd > sell me but I'd need to buy the sulky. Not sure what that entails but once > the > heat breaks here in MA I'll venture outside and see what she has. > > jim > > On May 31, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > > > This also puts it in perspective: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsfIHiBB6xE > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Doug Braun wrote: > > > >> Perhaps something simpler would work for the original poster's task: > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzdjOkLQw1s > >> > >> Doug > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 17:04:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B4540510 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:04:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.189]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3DB40357 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 17:03:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 22:59:20 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.119] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 22:59:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2013 22:59:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 76037 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2013 22:59:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370041159; bh=VmClTtjRCrO/FhAhhNpmbEtwurpwV1Oxnq9WEnOWBCw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Rtp3roYhLT0Wm3bfu/OJUcykD/lZez0UQZwk7draY4kB2fSJ7nnOSRbJl54BmKoFzdMjkhohi8YOlS1qhDxlWtepbm7quf4HKSOqM2lBsDURTzDXEktY4aVq/qNn3CENayZfI8+KG1FLDI8s/o8+OVha1tYAqa/V1bAIiA7GU9M= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JJD4kzffpOXUSQYF3uFrtkRdlegQVdqqUUXt5xSP0It9OrJ07Ym5WUSDwwrAlhHtBVJ62ZCSZxOZl3MNeLZJXMTN2ZYfwhvKlIJOC9x0y+vKf6/eHbvPNIFtWCVMsGCUKENlneU1dJuy+LO6Um6rjKj2EPTe++MqytHAIZee81E=; o9_D9q5dz2Qcl4wRC4QgATb_3n62RFVfkfTtTCQ5hYSafRj1l3_dehd85GPU 6KA78XV0FjwkGrgVJF_b7h.XblRUdAovUr5s3U0Zon4gasY74Y.dvRZBxdEm kVgHjZDrVqep489hAqftKQSgr8.lYfNReZgKxiCIwr4mJGqi8uIvAFS3of5Z OytJ2fxSd20y_sbMz0A.ONgfsTZ_YYFWdep8.eu069GCjYfP578IekfruOKn O3oF4_olDO6QOlVO7i2XnEtSwSrh10K5fXeRceUVhSbNM9TAwYWkxlCpDqDN YdtcNFhoaxkvVU4HWp435XhBUX769k7ffyhGKDIVU.XVmG.MIwGYNB0RH7Ba DBba1yyBj9SaQNSOE.XzAv0Dm4lLAd_AoXJW9yDTuYg.vKOr6nBVql5g4_7X lSLKgo5Ar2hqCUwu4PKKN37GHW0xvFTbPX8wEVJ1lqzlaoqRAVmOGXuwtVFy qbUIovN6z.790sMiAVRwBp.zhm_0WjOTaQ_qDfxcI4cOM0jKNSK5hp.zLdBW 6VNNEYlkkMWi9ZYKQY4QOiiNTPederNxwVSQ5vscdySseUD8lZ5lPhK1Xwcc cODQZFcsxb1XcE50o5q5QLg6.iThh8wtwP1asdNK0MtY9wucACDgkO11JiZF AoDXoaPbZ Received: from [66.143.32.111] by web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 15:59:19 PDT U29tZW9uZSBsaWtlIHRoaXM_IAoKaHR0cDovL2kyMjAucGhvdG9idWNrZXQuY29tL2FsYnVtcy9kZDEzMy9yYW5kZXk5MC9tb3dpbmdfenBzMDg5ODIyMTkuanBnCgoKUmFuZHkKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KRnJvbTogRWx0b24gRS4gKFRvbnkpIENsYXJrIDxlbHRvbmNsYXJrQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4KVG86IEppbSBGcmFua2xpbiA8amFtZXNmQGdyb3Vwd2JlbmNoLm9yZz47IFNob3AgVGFsayBMaXN0IAo8c2hvcC10YWxrQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PgpTZW50OiBGcmksIE1heSABMAEBAQE- References: <20130509.131947.19956.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> <518C2D45.7000701@xxiii.com> <000901ce5dac$a3c8ffa0$eb5afee0$@Ameritech.net> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:59:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Rand E To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Someone like this? http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd133/randey90/mowing_zps08982219.jpg Randy ________________________________ From: Elton E. (Tony) Clark To: Jim Franklin ; Shop Talk List Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 5:44:06 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stand-on mowers? This girlfriend who mows half your yard while you natter about buying a mower; does she have a sister? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 21:49:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA8140418 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 21:49:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A7740405 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 21:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 03:45:15 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.70] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 03:45:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 03:45:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 15437 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2013 03:45:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370058315; bh=HCqDIMjJ6AWUMP6iqmd4wG5VYbAX0qVYjfjngtZAawQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qt2YWcy0Bpy1zWnagJT/zuq2j4dRZRBv/gXSTLAxQTRdY6Get++UuuDvZTNkQmzwkMHT1Mo8dT0Oz3/coeHH4pM5JrHNNoFQ6JcsVfT7/xtrwy4MQcy+k6QiYe3fRoJ9Y6ANR/s9fjoaZFR5qjDPnKAcmKJcgq2r8HbFCT0uevo= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=unMGdVlbCLhYkM6+sHH8MpDsDmTU4ZsYo8v3Go6yzBP9sPxf+2FGEfrcLOeA4/5x5yQ36LIyK8U0peIIs1HNvHsKN0YJF8TnfitUSKgxQ7AnPGmBbRXzYc2a+nsucq7MCkURV9+fIQJWzf0SbzV65FAnORs6Z+u1m2p5qxQwwk4=; UjP4AOip8OixfqJFnOiP6IlPAzcvEp8MQ7j7lO0Ykk0yhKo3YHTo5Q9hUJ4y yeMN61DWWp53sxZn5EelmyUaTs36RFn0PA.Ik_ChtTiepkxiHpTC3T9yWg_I uJwKGjlQBqMRWzwuzyTHckblOLgvctVsLSZc7g7rDSTompEpQfy9ZfddOteb CH.Fy8Qwb.NYCbA4mo_.BQit0feQyLByPhv2wA2vsjXQitwujh8CGNmBg_kZ zX2V6x7oXrr4fMYBb8R76vfIvD4OnaAUbH8__b2vIrMts2A_Wj_R_BMvYVlk bRfhS0rm.q9YulL.ocbyrSjilkbeCbhptWvN6GiNIkBNKtO6bQgC_2U08EdB 7a3EwGUulAW3Rt_BTvwUfgPcEHp0zRZdbh0GaX.19d4McWiLynrTlT3q9EQa BJbzO.uawvzpn9pcLRSieCTm1acuxnnqQ_vbrKMgEskN5V4H_FI0zFEENN60 TSma934ip4BnV06rf5V2d5Pu.beDn8llrWH_W3ag3MQ3HQ0z6N7h.hfym0gx bQ1KUgPs- Received: from [69.108.2.212] by web184902.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2013 20:45:15 PDT SSBuZWVkIHRvIGluc3VsYXRlIHRoZSBjZWlsaW5nIGluIG15IGJhcm4sIDE4J3gzMCcsICBhbmQgYW0gdGhpbmtpbmcgb2YgdXNpbmcgMiIgCnJpZ2lkIGluc3VsYXRpb24gYm9hcmQgb3Igb3RoZXJ3aXNlIGNhbGxlZCBwb2x5c3R5cmVuZS4gT25lIHNpZGUgaGFzIGEgCnJlZmxlY3RpdmUgZm9pbCBvbiBpdCBhbmQgdGhlIG90aGVyIGhhcyAgc29tZSBraW5kIG9mIGEgcGxhc3RpYyB3cmFwIG9uIGl0IGFuZCAKaXQgaXMgdGhpcyBzaWRlIHRoYXQgSSB3b3VsZCBsaWtlIHRvIHBhaW50IHdoaXRlIHRvIGNvdmUBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 20:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Vantacich To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] rigid insulation board Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I need to insulate the ceiling in my barn, 18'x30', and am thinking of using 2" rigid insulation board or otherwise called polystyrene. One side has a reflective foil on it and the other has some kind of a plastic wrap on it and it is this side that I would like to paint white to cover up the blue printing. Is this feasible and does any one recommend a particular paint. Thanks for the help. Frank V. Loomis, Ca rustymetal@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 31 21:59:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3215440415 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 21:59:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.90]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B28B403E9 for ; Fri, 31 May 2013 21:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 03:47:54 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.172] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 03:47:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2013 03:47:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1370058474; bh=o6Ufq0aMuTKK0eSBzPqOQWZVNH3bVordbHVEFoI4kgk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=6ETIh68Z9rf5YT7TzbkHdvX+RsCtKrY0sPiCHdTZAvDSP7jV4fW6o92/NgJzOshsorfeZBH/387EQasHFQGkJWnAmHM6EfdXGuTr0q37qcacJ0GRRXx4QWXt7D9EGRd/q85hfnqVpUpeJgLdytggGOmgzeyQFhRLqVVE7Qi6y1U= HgNJDZqJQuaDow23av.17aKgjq3UXIT4d_D7DbfaXsqWXMFXjRYbtHm3t7EE OrwIB5y_1IjDMWMITfzDhfpPp9mAg.1p3KeTA0FRlXaVWd6BRcmGv.FUB3.F .11I35xpP4c2Q0hMcrdiyl2zePOjkMRyhpLnlyTid7FqKXGX6Hg1SnvtmV9t TT5sAc1Z87vFhvuzcF.r1CG9oJf_sjTgQO0ZpOkKNmoornf0O2shoDJDYT5T nHjKTDqK.qfUSxzyIga8yu9W86mMFVcNF2w..f1EokzOcozk1BCkkvG.u3yb 1ppQHkHVgH3JDLlKC6LSHP1Pueb3LBgh0kPk1COkyGQ1tkhIEKOEKKFufYlf 4R3tk9uOjX9ce3EBj4aH4w6cDDGBinIZ_ixF_W8RKtIPajIbwlCgF4mU6WQP Nrre84LcmmhfBf25b7DHbqoHkZp1DnGqzmg9M18FMJt_gtiJcgmGaoZ_xl6S 12tY8scX1kJTV3A9dc1V.eQ-- smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2013 20:47:54 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Shop Talk'" References: <1A885904-DD1C-4B62-BA78-82600785DE0B@texmog.com> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 20:48:05 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5d+/ufWQPI9uRHS3aCSiK7C9odCQAfnVQQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Stereo cooling in the garage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, How about a flat plate on top of the receiver with say 2 inch standoffs at the corners. The dust can't drop in and the heat can get out. Plus it's additional storage surface!!! Jack -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Nogueira Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:33 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Stereo cooling in the garage My 40 year old Realistic stereo in the garage finally died. I replaced it with a TEAC unit. The Realistic unit had a walnut case with the cooling vents located on the backside. The TEAC unit has the cooling vents on the top of the case. I'm worried that with the amount of dust generated in the garage I'll have a heavy build up of dust inside the case. If I place some air filter material over the vents will I be limiting the air flow enough that the unit overheats.? Any suggestions or am I being paranoid? Neither unit has a cooling fan, Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive