From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Apr 3 20:04:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9ED431F9 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C76431BD for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2013 19:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([unknown] [71.171.30.157]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MKP00IP6J5F9SV0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 20:36:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 21:36:51 -0400 From: "J.C. Hassall" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Dell power supply strap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Some time ago someone posted a request for the rubber strap on a Dell power supply. Contact me off list, I'll send it to you. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 00:37:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD9242F52 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FD745C51 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:31:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE823A0CFE for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:32:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:32:38 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] 22 and counting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net April 11th, 1991 - Team.Net becomes an official domain. For a few years before that, though, the basic foundation was getting built up. It has been a long ride from those days until now. We are still here. And we can continue on for who knows how many more years? If you'd like to help Team.Net continue, consider putting a few dollars towards keeping it on the air: http://www.team.net/donations.html mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 21:00:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C01044C0B for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:00:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f182.google.com (mail-gg0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8710D445FE for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gg0-f182.google.com with SMTP id u2so363533ggn.27 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:59:06 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aG9TnfcDhP4Cp4Sf5HhlsoGOyVq5JWDK0dmDoflf174=; b=WTCFCE36tkytYFWIZaDLI18WDl2MmsqmRdppuj1SFNpDwKJPikVMu6ZbWMvk4SQKA/ cloG8rjcycfwsF+kSgbzbZ8tnAhyv9Lr7jUXtOcTgTDQZf5AIBpZgZoGSQx9QPyCxLQz OMl0PGsGeDntK7ln2LiiIujLG1cUixFPpmA1Xb6uGZjiArkYI6wrG5o09X6HufVIcddP RVviv7ro5jL/HJlX7r/sON201TuM8T0pKyBoDkbJfLaxiDzehFu4qTqnRKPQpU9TrO1W ZBPOIUnU51UfhpGSzLk+INBGgl636kzk5/Aa7CjZUxhCnuFzswNRJiUJ9/x3K/fUmyQv CiYQ== j29mr5918156yhm.135.1365735546100; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-203-101-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. [71.203.101.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l70sm8987922yha.1.2013.04.11.19.59.04 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:58:56 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Is there an electrical engineer in the house? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I would like to build several warmer 'pots' for SWMBO. They'll be made from 1/8 inch aluminum sheet, and they'll about 3x6x3 inches each. They'll have a lid, so they're more like boxes, I suppose. They'll be used to keep fluid warmed to about 100 degrees. I'd like to use an electric heating element with a thermostat permanently set to that temperature, and it could go on the exterior bottom surface of the box. The only thing I don't know how to do is the wire grid and thermostat, switches, etc. What should I use to attach the wire to the box, that sort of thing. EE1101 was a long time ago, so I thought I'd ask you guys. Is this something that can be done? I don't mind if it takes a fair amount of work, I want these to be nice, and lasting. I just don't know where to start looking for the stuff, what to Google, etc. Thanks. Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 21:28:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC69744AB7 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:28:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B15443FB for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:28:22 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=CCwrrcjYsejOZAzT5awATk3meAmfkwFFr9CSHw+coz35cHd953YXnPqr9+dj/isZ; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.13.240.97] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UQUdt-0008Sd-Hw; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:27:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:26:14 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Scott References: <51677870.5050107@gmail.com> Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Is there an electrical engineer in the house? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Scott - Take a look at http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/kitchen/3737281/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_k_1_4_last This is a link for "Best Sellers in Chafing Dishes". I found this after a search for "food warmer" in appliances. Look at some of the buffet servers. I know buying this is not as much fun, but if something like this makes her happy, you could spend some time on a different project. Brian with more than enough projects for years On 4/11/2013 7:58 PM, Scott wrote: > I would like to build several warmer 'pots' for SWMBO. > > They'll be made from 1/8 inch aluminum sheet, and they'll about 3x6x3 > inches each. They'll have a lid, so they're more like boxes, I suppose. > > They'll be used to keep fluid warmed to about 100 degrees. > > I'd like to use an electric heating element with a thermostat > permanently set to that temperature, and it could go on the exterior > bottom surface of the box. > > The only thing I don't know how to do is the wire grid and thermostat, > switches, etc. What should I use to attach the wire to the box, that > sort of thing. > > EE1101 was a long time ago, so I thought I'd ask you guys. Is this > something that can be done? I don't mind if it takes a fair amount of > work, I want these to be nice, and lasting. I just don't know where to > start looking for the stuff, what to Google, etc. > > Thanks. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 21:32:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3785244C9F for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f179.google.com (mail-ye0-f179.google.com [209.85.213.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0047443DE for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ye0-f179.google.com with SMTP id q7so356566yen.10 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:31:36 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jJQNEkD2F1emDqHNG1ns8fRskMPPdMncTADeXEJcLNk=; b=e9OZ6nmArKcQKPx8uMaECaosSGmNVGfcf8wj2JIXXkkQl/o/aXE83Ha8a+MHVbuijX YkNAI+bAtKipTsVN1UVep9+jbMKsenb2iB/uZ5I4WV333UV3GBa8jNkJjVWzKX/cbr0L XyaEEAwE51/QFiRfDgajwC0Bfs7b4Hvm4qzeDmqAPNO4i46JqhkiWvkB1z4zxQ3Sh+9n +NJz48O4EJzGe5fyFIiUxG5oEAgtqxQAMJXD2xiyvP9WPpTGUlCQYav+EoblkoAtfGSy ifftkgPl6j6fMs0kN0W1iz59TNUQhc8Ec2iO74od2PDudlOL62Se9WMQveQAqqaTfYI8 T2vQ== d66mr5644627yhk.200.1365737496211; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-203-101-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. [71.203.101.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s45sm9755288yhk.22.2013.04.11.20.31.35 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:31:27 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Brian Kemp References: <51677870.5050107@gmail.com> <51677ED6.8010108@earthlink.net> Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Is there an electrical engineer in the house? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, I've spent the last six months looking for something to just buy. It doesn't exist. Besides, making them will earn me so much more in the 'thoughtfulness' category. On 4/11/2013 11:26 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > Scott - Take a look at > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/kitchen/3737281/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_k_1_4_last > > This is a link for "Best Sellers in Chafing Dishes". I found this > after a search for "food warmer" in appliances. > > Look at some of the buffet servers. I know buying this is not as much > fun, but if something like this makes her happy, you could spend some > time on a different project. > > Brian with more than enough projects for years > > > On 4/11/2013 7:58 PM, Scott wrote: >> I would like to build several warmer 'pots' for SWMBO. >> >> They'll be made from 1/8 inch aluminum sheet, and they'll about 3x6x3 >> inches each. They'll have a lid, so they're more like boxes, I suppose. >> >> They'll be used to keep fluid warmed to about 100 degrees. >> >> I'd like to use an electric heating element with a thermostat >> permanently set to that temperature, and it could go on the exterior >> bottom surface of the box. >> >> The only thing I don't know how to do is the wire grid and >> thermostat, switches, etc. What should I use to attach the wire to >> the box, that sort of thing. >> >> EE1101 was a long time ago, so I thought I'd ask you guys. Is this >> something that can be done? I don't mind if it takes a fair amount of >> work, I want these to be nice, and lasting. I just don't know where >> to start looking for the stuff, what to Google, etc. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 21:36:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5197D44CE5 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f180.google.com (mail-gg0-f180.google.com [209.85.161.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD68443DE for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:36:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-gg0-f180.google.com with SMTP id e5so362722ggk.11 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:35:28 -0700 (PDT) h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lBmEhGty09p31zfRgxowKy77XzJ3H4z/Q7C6dLpCtAU=; b=d4ktAO15xiDRMiuaKIDILOmHfRoNGWQZmNHeSU/rvZNW+rAwvjH5AVJOspe6fq/Li0 y3gphxp4KtGRGrnHWicqNyhSLznjYC9LdtcDFzKvSSaY0+Eb8BAX2E0XnBZ0syZ5Rkpq feEvDOq4hInAnq3N6FkC2HMTdALDNO3AyiXcPUydNKcJWlcsfJUoRIg1vFw2R5UiYRLg dtJyBnNVaLbPZmqjnFSdnLZPX7Zpea8lZGGrbssb43RkywCjAtn8Z/qzVCy1V/Id0wG8 iS+X7Yugt0swYzj4fatqoELPt4lp7fmbjtFUtETAuXfNDffhT+YI8NIlARJd/PPqib/u HjVQ== v9mr5791747yhl.2.1365737727832; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-203-101-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. [71.203.101.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z64sm9754239yhc.24.2013.04.11.20.35.26 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 23:35:19 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <51677870.5050107@gmail.com> <51677F06.500@nycap.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Is there an electrical engineer in the house? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, I've looked at food warmers (and cookers), those are the principle I want to copy. That or an electric blanket. So I guess I could ask the question: I want to make my own miniature electric blanket from wire (I don't want to buy something and cut it down), I want to keep it at a constant temperature, and I want to permanently affix it to a small plate of aluminum. Can anyone give me primer on how to do such a thing? What gauge wire to use, should I weave it in a mat, and what sort of switches and thermostats should I use? Or should I just hunt down an EE textbook and start reading? Thanks. On 4/11/2013 11:27 PM, skip albright wrote: > > a lot of fields, not to many concrete plans... > > > restaurant supply co > > > greenhouse supply co > > > they wont have the parts, but you can get ideas on how they keep > things warm > > > maybe lab supply companies? > > > how does a crockpot work? > > > we used to sell stick on, oil pan engine warmers, might be some help > in that field. > > > Skip > > > On 4/11/2013 10:58 PM, Scott wrote: >> I would like to build several warmer 'pots' for SWMBO. >> >> They'll be made from 1/8 inch aluminum sheet, and they'll about 3x6x3 >> inches each. They'll have a lid, so they're more like boxes, I suppose. >> >> They'll be used to keep fluid warmed to about 100 degrees. >> >> I'd like to use an electric heating element with a thermostat >> permanently set to that temperature, and it could go on the exterior >> bottom surface of the box. >> >> The only thing I don't know how to do is the wire grid and >> thermostat, switches, etc. What should I use to attach the wire to >> the box, that sort of thing. >> >> EE1101 was a long time ago, so I thought I'd ask you guys. Is this >> something that can be done? I don't mind if it takes a fair amount of >> work, I want these to be nice, and lasting. I just don't know where >> to start looking for the stuff, what to Google, etc. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Apr 11 22:02:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E3944D27 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:02:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158C244488 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 22:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Nrmo1l0041Y3wxoADs0skF; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 04:00:52 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([24.21.174.38]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ns0r1l00M0q4MuY8bs0rol; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 04:00:52 +0000 From: Brian Kennedy Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:00:51 -0700 References: <51677870.5050107@gmail.com> <51677F06.500@nycap.rr.com> <516780F7.7070502@gmail.com> To: Shop Talk s=q20121106; t=1365739252; bh=hHHQhsAzejshZ9mZDf6pBa/E5sFvTH7gVuEh2ZJi1aM=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=iff/p9415f8aYULqBQMMKgIxnVH8dujUdCJeESfnEO3Lru3ogWpG230CsKe9pH/kH ZEckbt9a7sctCV+RevUz+cZn1JQGjZjYbC9/F26Yt7pZ583LyE4+arAINnlhuH268Y WEhMK6dsu3UgZ1r8h3IeO7uNllg5GT+Mx8MxMOR4yu1l6NtDM+G8P6dsLp7ApXn+gH gBU7mNxsoUDQ2MwdfIJr3BlataJdoyxr/YEeV103hghcV+uGPfnCSRDtFVrFIWmdEp SoHdd7h5DlTL8NeegNVPFRUtr68bZeqO+btz4B9/kLk21PZ4b/NHtF4OxvTHU4jc6J nyLAqLwtwRafA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Is there an electrical engineer in the house? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Scott, F or C? F would be easier. Temperature control range? If you only need a few degrees, a simple bi-metallic thermal switch in series with the AC line should do. Here's a Digikey link, http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/67F100/723-1181-ND/1631948 for one of many. Or even easier, go to digikey.com and call them. I've found them to be very helpful. I think you can find a heating element with internal temperature control that will do what you want. Good luck. Brian K. On Apr 11, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Scott wrote: > Yeah, I've looked at food warmers (and cookers), those are the principle I want to copy. That or an electric blanket. > > So I guess I could ask the question: I want to make my own miniature electric blanket from wire (I don't want to buy something and cut it down), I want to keep it at a constant temperature, and I want to permanently affix it to a small plate of aluminum. > > Can anyone give me primer on how to do such a thing? What gauge wire to use, should I weave it in a mat, and what sort of switches and thermostats should I use? > > Or should I just hunt down an EE textbook and start reading? > > Thanks. > > On 4/11/2013 11:27 PM, skip albright wrote: >> >> a lot of fields, not to many concrete plans... >> >> >> restaurant supply co >> >> >> greenhouse supply co >> >> >> they wont have the parts, but you can get ideas on how they keep things warm >> >> >> maybe lab supply companies? >> >> >> how does a crockpot work? >> >> >> we used to sell stick on, oil pan engine warmers, might be some help in that field. >> >> >> Skip >> >> >> On 4/11/2013 10:58 PM, Scott wrote: >>> I would like to build several warmer 'pots' for SWMBO. >>> >>> They'll be made from 1/8 inch aluminum sheet, and they'll about 3x6x3 inches each. They'll have a lid, so they're more like boxes, I suppose. >>> >>> They'll be used to keep fluid warmed to about 100 degrees. >>> >>> I'd like to use an electric heating element with a thermostat permanently set to that temperature, and it could go on the exterior bottom surface of the box. >>> >>> The only thing I don't know how to do is the wire grid and thermostat, switches, etc. What should I use to attach the wire to the box, that sort of thing. >>> >>> EE1101 was a long time ago, so I thought I'd ask you guys. Is this something that can be done? I don't mind if it takes a fair amount of work, I want these to be nice, and lasting. I just don't know where to start looking for the stuff, what to Google, etc. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 00:11:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF4544E4A for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:11:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mailout16.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout16.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC3F44E05 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:10:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan21.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.21] helo=mailscan21.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout16.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UQXB9-0002Rz-QJ for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 02:09:43 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan21.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UQXB9-00056e-L5; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 02:09:43 -0400 Received: from webmail10.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.10]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id Nu9j1l0030D1ajN01u9jTX; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 02:09:43 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=9ERFrdh1WBMA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=0X1vLElDjboA:10 a=5lucXWJGAAAA:8 a=MAyG02uOwQ8ypI8mAEUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=GSu3SmDVaNCCWble:21 a=TY1T249p-uUndVTk:21 a=0YmFfWKhO/n0x5ScFAFiQg==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail10.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1UQXAp-0006mU-Ff; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 02:09:23 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 02:09:23 -0400 References: <51677870.5050107@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 02:09:23 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Scott" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Is there an electrical engineer in the house? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Do you want to make your own, or would any of these work? http://www.mcmaster.com/#blanket-heaters/=ma8vbz Greg G. Osseo, MN > I would like to build several warmer 'pots' for SWMBO. > > They'll be made from 1/8 inch aluminum sheet, and they'll about 3x6x3 > inches each. They'll have a lid, so they're more like boxes, I suppose. > > They'll be used to keep fluid warmed to about 100 degrees. > > I'd like to use an electric heating element with a thermostat > permanently set to that temperature, and it could go on the exterior > bottom surface of the box. > > The only thing I don't know how to do is the wire grid and thermostat, > switches, etc. What should I use to attach the wire to the box, that > sort of thing. > > EE1101 was a long time ago, so I thought I'd ask you guys. Is this > something that can be done? I don't mind if it takes a fair amount of > work, I want these to be nice, and lasting. I just don't know where to > start looking for the stuff, what to Google, etc. > > Thanks. > > Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 12 01:36:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2640444E51 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 01:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1323B42B83 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 01:33:03 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=9ERFrdh1WBMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=0X1vLElDjboA:10 a=hC2vBL5uAAAA:20 a=PkiNj6IKAAAA:20 a=ElseWFXeAAAA:20 a=-pgY-QdZAAAA:20 a=w7WdjBA1AAAA:20 a=4hQlgfoFAAAA:20 a=08OOIvqvAAAA:20 a=YCLb0GgEAAAA:20 a=_s09vYhoAAAA:20 a=UJHz8IMAaLr2zric4dUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xhkZrz0eRm8A:10 a=x0ilEC5Di34A:10 a=gjUSTd72X6oA:10 a=o3sgtoR51e8A:10 a=9uTGwvkMemgA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55079] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1B/57-04559-968B7615; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 07:31:53 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:31:59 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac43LtV7lzi0Z9n0RoafobBimUInmwAF4SQg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Is there an electrical engineer in the house? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Can anyone give me primer on how to do such a thing? What > gauge wire to use, should I weave it in a mat, and what sort > of switches and thermostats should I use? What about using a pre-made element, like this: http://goo.gl/i7CGk If you really want to do it yourself, my approach might be to source some nichrome wire and epoxy it to the bottom of the plate. JB Weld would probably do, or there are purpose-made epoxies available. JB Weld says it is good to 500F continuous and you aren't going that high (if you don't go overboard on heater power). Lay down a fairly thick layer first and let it cure, to be sure the nichrome doesn't get too close to the aluminum (and cause a short). So pick how much power you want. I'm guessing that 60 watts should be plenty (after all, an Easy-Bake oven runs on 60 watts) so you can calculate resistance from ohms = volts * volts / watts. 60 watts would be about 240 ohms (using 120 volts as the design voltage). Now figure out about how much wire length you want, and go look for a wire that will give you something close to that. Say for the sake of argument that you wind up with 6' of wire in your design (more wire will spread the heat out better, which SWMBO will like); you want about 40 ohms/foot. Using the chart I found at http://goo.gl/3Rpqg, 38 AWG is just what you want. Here's a nice piece on fleabay for $4 http://goo.gl/GGxvk Brian already gave a link to a thermostat. Switches are available in dozens of styles, so pick the one that goes best with your design. I might go for a rotary switch mounted on the side, maybe with a flattish sort of knob, http://goo.gl/K9Oby But a rocker switch might look nice, too. I like this one, but you'd need to build a power supply for the LED, which might be more trouble than it's worth http://goo.gl/3D5lN Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 09:30:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7915F42990 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91519448CA for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:25:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D4238A06F for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:23:54 -0700 (PDT) :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; s=groupwbench.org; bh=fcYJnr+NnR2xcXQbFFsxv+Vy xJQ=; b=XA1pDvqP36/curOmaxEtFIu4fbLMrtpOzJN5AYAJhfNhxmQzuL1DHFQ4 +iWhSmv0fv00Bli842Bhme881KazjNFWfi3CE4oeG6/n5XOeUqwQy4hfivupEqT8 EOQKzu0Zn9ejnVXCWFGo0KWNopTCkBjFiSa/83vHCjxDLXETm5c= Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-98-118-111-81.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.111.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a94.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE96338A059 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:23:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:23:53 -0400 To: shop-talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Non-skid replacement for hardwood floor strip? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I just put down some prefinished hardwood in my upstairs hallway, and I was slipping all over the place in socks. The piece that will go between the nosing at the top of the stairs and the rest of the flooring isn't quite a full width piece, so I've left it out until I get the nosing, but I'm thinking of putting in a non-skid thing as a last resort if I start sliding. Of course it has to look nice :-) I was thinking of a piece of perforated hardwood, but all I'm finding are soundproofing materials. It needs to be 3/4" thick like the flooring. I don't have a drill press so DIY 250 holes is not an option... Any thoughts? Actually something that incorporated the nosing too would be nice, so it isn't slippery. The rest of the stairs will have a carpet runner. thanks, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 09:46:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0449464CD for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:46:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BA2CF4633B for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:46:49 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1365867932; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=IINtkFVZSEZRtEnO8pyaj0AEI5nVwSaktbm2RtnmDIhiqZxYmolRWAIv8CcFgZ3LA X/Zi7QiHSgLK37Xoq2mwcUb4oUyJJiOVymLbb2Dm66TX9h0//YsP2c0j5gscaOro32 Jvn7Rs1W/tpkZSiqEOWog1K4yVwrpWlLh2q6zPbM= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail13.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.153]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJYU9MDA6QBXT2 for (sender ); Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail13.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:43:50 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:43:50 GMT Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Non-skid replacement for hardwood floor strip? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How about a coat of clear poly with some grit in it? MB ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jim Franklin To: shop-talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Non-skid replacement for hardwood floor strip? Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:23:53 -0400 I just put down some prefinished hardwood in my upstairs hallway, and I was slipping all over the place in socks. The piece that will go between the nosing at the top of the stairs and the rest of the flooring isn't quite a full width piece, so I've left it out until I get the nosing, but I'm thinking of putting in a non-skid thing as a last resort if I start sliding. Of course it has to look nice :-) I was thinking of a piece of perforated hardwood, but all I'm finding are soundproofing materials. It needs to be 3/4" thick like the flooring. I don't have a drill press so DIY 250 holes is not an option... Any thoughts? Actually something that incorporated the nosing too would be nice, so it isn't slippery. The rest of the stairs will have a carpet runner. thanks, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mbarre@juno.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 09:47:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD3B46508 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BB2464F0 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:47:22 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:31:37 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 04/13/2013 11:31:48, Serialize complete at 04/13/2013 11:31:48 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Non-skid replacement for hardwood floor strip? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just a thought, and it may not be close to what you are looking for... Today, on tractor forums they were talking about putting a *LIGHT* dusting of sand between spray paint coats to make surfaces slip-prof. Maybe a light dusting of sand in a clear top coat will work for your needs on whatever material you decide to use. Just a thought. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson I just put down some prefinished hardwood in my upstairs hallway, and I was slipping all over the place in socks. The piece that will go between the nosing at the top of the stairs and the rest of the flooring isn't quite a full width piece, so I've left it out until I get the nosing, but I'm thinking of putting in a non-skid thing as a last resort if I start sliding. Of course it has to look nice :-) I was thinking of a piece of perforated hardwood, but all I'm finding are soundproofing materials. It needs to be 3/4" thick like the flooring. I don't have a drill press so DIY 250 holes is not an option... Any thoughts? Actually something that incorporated the nosing too would be nice, so it isn't slippery. The rest of the stairs will have a carpet runner. thanks, _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 10:19:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF334447D0 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F84B443A9 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A196B82F3; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:18:03 -0700 (PDT) :mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=S+ovqTZhLOe7isqy0fkYLB9lqlE=; b=ljS8CkWJvG0J 6A5fXT2+KzhlzO1h/jtAFaJ62jmll9SK3GLiSGyWW0ACa7sgR1KQQe0rDzLbUwXj MmN675ovlnx2vRV+UxKTJKW3Mq2DlNFl9v0aKTB9dKE4z596x1VUQQ7RMv5wYjp2 9jmH5IvtMNIdF6KfeNDFAO3uHKmHWE0= Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-98-118-111-81.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.111.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a52.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 30B0B6B8269; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:18:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 12:18:02 -0400 References: <20130413.114350.6647.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> To: "Matt" Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Non-skid replacement for hardwood floor strip? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Coupla people wrote: > How about a coat of clear poly with some grit in it? I have no idea what super space age finish is on there now and don't really want to mess with it. Plus, if I'm going to make something stand out such as a different finish, I don't want it to look like I'm trying to get it to match and failing, and I think gritty poly would look like that. I'd rather it looked purposeful. A cribbage board would be awesome but not at the top of the stairs :-) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 11:47:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE3846531 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3456E448FC for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 11:43:24 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XhzFTrJGHdSYOytjFQmn+hxQOPpMigImZrz/FMk3WCX7YXbg/nOJOTctbu1VSlph; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.13.240.97] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1UR4Si-0002Jd-RR; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 13:42:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:41:05 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Jim Franklin References: <9A90E514-2D53-4C00-BCDE-5B63B5464505@groupwbench.org> Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Non-skid replacement for hardwood floor strip? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim - Look at something like this from the Home Depot web site: I searched for "non-skid". It sounds exactly what you want and the first two five star reviews are the same stair application. www.homedepot.com/p/t/203002764?catalogId=10053 Seal-Krete 3.2 oz. Clear Grip - Anti-Skid Additive Model # 402002 Internet # 203002764 $8.88 /EA-Each SEAL-KRETE Clear Grip is a durable, micronized polymeric aggregate developed for use as an anti-skid additive to floor paint or sealers. Because it's a lightweight plastic grit, Clear Grip remains suspended longer. It adds a slight texture to the finish without changing colors. It has excellent resistance to chemicals and detergents and helps extend paint life. Clear Grip can be used in water-based, solvent-based alkyd, urethane or epoxy coatings. - Mix with paint or sealers to as a measure of safety to slippery steps, stairs and walkways - Will not soften under normal heat exposure - Dries clear in sealers - Chemical and solvent resistant From the reviews: We have hardwood stairs in our house and we've had a few close calls when walking on them wearing socks. I lightly sanded the stairs, mixed some Clear Grip into a quart of urathane clear coat and painted it on. The stairs are much safer now and they look the same as they did before. ---- We needed to refinish our wooden stairs in our home. I had seen this product used on one of those many re-do your house shows, so we thought we would give it a try. We added the recommended amount to the clear polyurethane we used for the top of the steps. It mixed in very easily - and after it was good and dry, YEAH, NO LONGER SLIPPERY!! You cannot tell it is there unless you look closely. We HIGHLY recommend this product to anyone that worries about sliping on the stairs. Brian On 4/13/2013 8:23 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > I just put down some prefinished hardwood in my upstairs hallway, and I was > slipping all over the place in socks. The piece that will go between the > nosing at the top of the stairs and the rest of the flooring isn't quite a > full width piece, so I've left it out until I get the nosing, but I'm thinking > of putting in a non-skid thing as a last resort if I start sliding. Of course > it has to look nice :-) > > I was thinking of a piece of perforated hardwood, but all I'm finding are > soundproofing materials. It needs to be 3/4" thick like the flooring. I don't > have a drill press so DIY 250 holes is not an option... > > Any thoughts? Actually something that incorporated the nosing too would be > nice, so it isn't slippery. The rest of the stairs will have a carpet runner. > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 13 13:10:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA5240521 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 13:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C344D40521 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2013 13:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2013 19:08:21 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.100] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2013 19:08:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2013 19:08:20 -0000 HSgmFg1DGN6i1LXdbKi.dQ5BE5BqbC72UkIGAnXfeB5v09VknijQ6JpWYoYA ClfXK6Ph2XoJObhr1kFxiVorStB0uE70CY75taQNXhyW35TQK1EGhPaHBAQJ wi0H9P_4CvzNb4WJB.wYFdWWTlXSwaOaYWgyxRnzOgvOjN.wmA1j7BamXGiH ySiWtISA0GphUvXTLn3GLH0xXYxXI4h4pHcePtCAfvoIe_1mgNLUWxWwvHBu siW5XTTtaA.QygCcENJdfbE4qrUrYMBs4WjBGgOBwk2fycHc4Zg290y1QyJg RDpEiZL8e9Cmc0hzEDr0XIjCdDdSg5NU6g0YX6G49R_VD.Ua1PMxGiHYHd3j B10liXMoVGPgjSYW2QtEVu0sFpvJBUbqxf8rMBlRETgRe0rj8Za9cAyrsrBE 6SL1J3gVqmb4aXpCrmX5_PbwtAr1cKQ-- smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2013 19:08:20 +0000 UTC From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Jim Franklin'" , "'shop-talk List'" References: <9A90E514-2D53-4C00-BCDE-5B63B5464505@groupwbench.org> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:08:37 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJchCgRfsv0jKh69b1KiNQ2wQImsZe365uA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Non-skid replacement for hardwood floor strip? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net What about a strip of smooth rubber flooring, or rubber threshold? Installation options could range from a full rubber nosing to rabbeting a strip of rubber (flat or perhaps arched up like a threshold) into the wood nosing. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Jim Franklin Subject: [Shop-talk] Non-skid replacement for hardwood floor strip? I just put down some prefinished hardwood in my upstairs hallway, and I was slipping all over the place in socks. The piece that will go between the nosing at the top of the stairs and the rest of the flooring isn't quite a full width piece, so I've left it out until I get the nosing, but I'm thinking of putting in a non-skid thing as a last resort if I start sliding. Of course it has to look nice :-) I was thinking of a piece of perforated hardwood, but all I'm finding are soundproofing materials. It needs to be 3/4" thick like the flooring. I don't have a drill press so DIY 250 holes is not an option... Any thoughts? Actually something that incorporated the nosing too would be nice, so it isn't slippery. The rest of the stairs will have a carpet runner. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 07:29:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD70442F1A for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 07:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s6.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s6.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1F942EF6 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 07:29:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL126-W20 ([65.55.34.71]) by col0-omc2-s6.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 14 Apr 2013 06:27:45 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: shop talk Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 08:27:44 -0500 FILETIME=[D9696D10:01CE3913] Subject: [Shop-talk] Anchoring railing posts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My rental property currently has wrought iron railings along the steps leading to the front door and around the concrete deck that is in front of the door. The railings are solid, but pretty old and in need of a serious cleanup and coat of paint at best. It is also from two different eras, as I believe the railing at the top is original to the house (c1950) or close, while the steps is aluminum. The posts are all iron and very well anchored in the concrete. I could spend a couple of days with a wire brush on my angle grinder and get them cleaned up and repainted, but they are ugly and my wife would like to replace them. The deck is about 6 feet off the ground in front and 12 feet on the side by the driveway, so whatever we do has to be pretty sturdy. One option we are considering is to build a cedar railing around the deck. There are supports that are made for attaching wood posts to the concrete, but I have used them before and they don't feel solid enough to me, so I don't want to fully trust those. Here's what I am thinking: The current steel supports are 1" square tube. My thought is to remove the old railing but leave the posts in place. Clean them up with the wire brush and give them a coat of something to stop rust. Then, cut them off at about 12 inches and drill a slightly larger hole in the base of each support. Coat each post with an adhesive of some sort (maybe a 2-part epoxy) and set the posts in place. I might also use the commercial supports for added safety and buy ones that are open at the bottom or drill a matching hole in them, too. Does this sound like a good plan to the group, or is it one of my dumber ideas? Any thoughts will be appreciated. Our option is a vinyl or aluminum system, but that will get pretty pricey. Thanks, Jim p.s. This is the same house with the basement trap door that concerned me. That door is still there, but our summer renters were fine with us padlocking the door shut, so we get to put that problem off another year at least. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 11:16:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CEC425C4 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 11:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECBA42DC9 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 11:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130414171106.YNIZ10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:11:06 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id PtB61l00J0x0GZM05tB6U9; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:11:06 -0400 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=I9fsFp9niiwA:10 a=sTkvzoiIZSxkG_Nx1CAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=8fCdjwwZl0H3gNJEc9IA:9 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:11:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:11:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a garbage disposal that drains slow unless you run it. While I am pretty sure I know what is causing it (build up in the pipe), I am hoping that I don't have to pull the drain pipe to clean it out.... So, that being said, does anyone know if there is something I can run down the drain that will clear out that build up? Regular drain cleaners have not worked.... Thanks! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 12:02:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8291442E3 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 12:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7254423E for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 11:57:17 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kP42qg+lDLEoU1rbw1yuRNvipwshTYYAq2ArnJFsh0KMKaUljJho/fySJynpJPNL; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.13.240.97] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1URR9f-0002GJ-Vt; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:55:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:55:00 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Jim Stone References: Cc: shop talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anchoring railing posts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, Two options for your consideration: 1 - If the railings are solid and your wife only doesn't like them based on the deteriorated finish, contact a local painting or iron works company. You may find that their estimate to come out and sandblast, prime, and paint is cheaper than new railing parts and your time. I have a mixture of railings as well and the only problem with the c1957 iron rail is rusting at the ground level where the previous owner didn't do maintenance. Another advantage of this is that you don't have to bring the railing in compliance with current building codes. Since it is a rental property, you also will not have a period of time with no railing since it can stay in place. 2. Look at an aluminum system to match the rest of the aluminum that you already have. I pulled a permit for a balcony repair (that turned into a replacement) and was required to replace the railing to bring it in compliance with current codes. I used a cable rail system from http://www.fsihp.com/products/aluminum-railing on my balcony. Their prices were very good and the product is decent. I did have trouble getting enough tension on the cables in my application, so would consider other vendors if you go the cable route if you have long lengths and corners. My project was a 45' long by 5' cantilevered balcony for 55' of total railing. I used fascia mounted posts because the balcony is a waterproof concrete and I didn't want any penetrations in the surface. They also have surface mount posts. I think their picket stile railing would be an easy application and may use them again when I get to other railing where obstructing the view is not an issue. Brian On 4/14/2013 6:27 AM, Jim Stone wrote: > My rental property currently has wrought iron railings along the steps leading > to the front door and around the concrete deck that is in front of the door. > The railings are solid, but pretty old and in need of a serious cleanup and > coat of paint at best. It is also from two different eras, as I believe the > railing at the top is original to the house (c1950) or close, while the steps > is aluminum. The posts are all iron and very well anchored in the concrete. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 12:20:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AB24439D for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 12:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9BF44371 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 12:20:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2013 18:19:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2013 18:19:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2013 18:19:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1365963544; bh=HbbyGobnoCWJ53h2GO6LKt53c1VnIq3d/0MjeyAr+Yk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=pAwxyuvlhQnsx2zLtUHghDvX+ZS+QXGW7Bvgx70j1N/dwE/DhVuZM4HahA1gviVnj1rMss3EefUfEzQsDpDMxqEu9FzzBPIivKAIPMezMF6yAAAwKwlp5iiBJXaXkG8VM1uVxnfvD5Lj/ex+tdTOMWNzrQtp6elWb6TmDDQj74g= xPc4e3ZcNnMRcrLemeagtJ4zzH41FSrPOw8GfpgE1yDUTN8uaUtynPVJ3.3J rFiGY2bWmQcf3TE4DvMNKZ3M_BE29FoW6HNCSdCPc8yMGy0BkhkKtKUpTjex 7s597LKEqpiMqCzJndMbVzhE6NH.57JXnzgk2jWaMyTMMmi4OuZzesTyye8W OyYLtkzVM56F1QU2EXWITITh6cSGeXVIi3j08ccMahludzZWpqbseRV_kHKp V.qWSTy3I4G4enkdzDf_0Ibk1VmJWUB6sGrIFxXXhLvjZlvwbfMgJ6pMnm4E 45zhO9o59_NOmtiRSLJq8MR3Yo6VD0gCH2B7sL4.JqKnUb3k5JiLn7_sXcR3 PhW3rE70rSGIUwbrPt8gjhBS_2o4IF5XWCiGNtnDN4zTBR0LAYeSwbxadwa4 .b0R0bpDUExzBWk4pM1YR1EkM_UkgQk9aMXXDx17bofEJ_w0ZXtSZLt3oZiU HhRcYh6Ulz4BrVwNf smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2013 11:19:04 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Shop Talk'" References: <2df102dd.6b7744.13e09875fa5.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 11:19:02 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac45M6JWY/+h31SKTPSDOJ2XYMUwXAACE+Lg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'd give Hot water a go if you think the problem is in the connector pipe and it might be a fatty build up. Pour in a large container of hot water, while the hot water is running. I wouldn't run the disposal at this time, you want to give the hot water plenty of time to clear out the buildup. The idea is to overwhem the pipe with water and scour it clean. Conversely, you might just move the fat further down the pipe, which might not be a good thing. I've also run ice cubes down mine when it slowed. The cubes clean the heck out of the inside of the disposal. Citrus rinds clean really well too. -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 10:11 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain I have a garbage disposal that drains slow unless you run it. While I am pretty sure I know what is causing it (build up in the pipe), I am hoping that I don't have to pull the drain pipe to clean it out.... So, that being said, does anyone know if there is something I can run down the drain that will clear out that build up? Regular drain cleaners have not worked.... Thanks! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 14:22:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727B9467C0 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 14:22:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com (mail-we0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DD846481 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 14:18:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id i48so1434056wef.2 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:17:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UeyDTOsyKxOQZij10I0UAcwts5n0x7xRW0KGD7+ZElg=; b=V8ixGcQoms0Dfue0VUa9UOy7usfjfI1E15n9GZX9JkQXNSX+vzb0rG1p6ECClKkqke JJhLCZXMkUgMzfvdFKHF70wEGwR6QuTAKQBYSPykWXvJBijVf6RMX9WKK8iC0xXuK5rf o2aUEGkrnhhDH7eCxFCSAuUciDkBJqY/p9aTqbFQ5VUHrw1djFXr9UT3RzsboQiH++pr DNH8fskO/L1vfUHwoxCgoOjxyCyGYwuaC/Lb8UtcSibFMfRoydcJRnE6eRZQkRkqsBeR vj+7YVbhr06k3clR1sjKvmzRZET+PNzzmqzL9GGHjnRz4t3KZGnndUpg2XeasPUFyms+ T27Q== ft8mr7980005wib.28.1365970643663; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.86.105 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:17:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <2df102dd.6b7744.13e09875fa5.Webtop.44@charter.net> <1F4EEDB25A5F4986B1BABB6336C00B6F@EntCentPC> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:17:23 -0400 From: Benjamin Zwissler To: Jack Brooks Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I use the bacterial cleaners. It won't work immediately but will keep it clean indefinitely. It comes as a dry powder that you mix with warm water and pour down the drain. The bacteria eats the bio materials, including soap scum. I had a slow drain on my washer that was difficult to keep clear. The bacterial cleaner has kept it clean for years. If you put something down it that kills the bacteria you may to add them again. Ben...... On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: > I'd give Hot water a go if you think the problem is in the connector pipe > and it might be a fatty build up. Pour in a large container of hot water, > while the hot water is running. I wouldn't run the disposal at this time, > you want to give the hot water plenty of time to clear out the buildup. > The > idea is to overwhem the pipe with water and scour it clean. Conversely, > you > might just move the fat further down the pipe, which might not be a good > thing. > > I've also run ice cubes down mine when it slowed. The cubes clean the heck > out of the inside of the disposal. Citrus rinds clean really well too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 10:11 AM > To: Shop Talk > Subject: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain > > I have a garbage disposal that drains slow unless you run it. While I am > pretty sure I know what is causing it (build up in the pipe), I am > hoping that I don't have to pull the drain pipe to clean it out.... > > So, that being said, does anyone know if there is something I can run > down the drain that will clear out that build up? Regular drain cleaners > have not worked.... > > Thanks! > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 15:24:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567B345555 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:24:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0EA42A29 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:23:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2013 21:22:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.52] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2013 21:22:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2013 21:22:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1365974543; bh=FhXqkKlp+oFibEMR2hlMvByAquPlvQGPRPPBUyhJMs8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=47XudTEGpJYydbaT5moiR2vHbfhpa6OQJAfQeV+H9fH5caLk4q2v/6005RXLCK3x7inZzRN9GWHtnuD1/ZjcH8pwDw+lC+vBxXJXkvifNXl7rh28qmN0v3VtZEnlaXt4XbUZMLnF8lflk516YjSuZ1oVjMZQR/LXzb7lqIynE2U= SXvHR8V2Ooe5ZQ6wBLWrXICM2cR5XeTfAiMHZFiglRCXXL0LOifONxzxjq7T o0LYFK41yv6wIrl2LURkbOyf0SnOrCP0C_DXDjh4l13xzyzp3HA_OLWL6Ekv ggxL5TXxK0u2FlDkCIqSNMxVUjqzCtQSuL5.2WZV5V8c5uUxNTBqj8z7nUs7 4ojglAzkFdyhjgXfBlSEnxv65tEde5tK3vMCUuVVbNmTxaTClA5b8goZobJv AEYyhIukmcWKmSI5MQVoamEyOwrSVXSyMUag1Tl0wYJhIkpyFRLcDyUdff52 GIaQpvYlkNB.2LjUBFDm1xprLAo8aZklETnZEOjOSmGjv2gX0E49J7BTg_tP Uq426GB3Cmjf7n5YqieGaULemwD6tlexFqGe.aLRKnBcILug7abZSpghg1rB Z7BXyxWpHU0NfLsm9PGVXBdBEwgn0Rre8EJSZJsQTZvGOATwqfqLiFe7hqZo K6iYRFXdqYUenNLWa smtp114.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2013 14:22:23 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Shop Talk'" References: <2df102dd.6b7744.13e09875fa5.Webtop.44@charter.net><1F4EEDB25A5F4986B1BABB6336C00B6F@EntCentPC> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 14:22:21 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac45TRPuhslUyu2RSieioe/AzWEmGAACHy6Q Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, I agree 100% on the bugs Ben! I use them and should have discussed them here too. With the slow drain, I just felt it was good to start with getting it flowing better, as the bacteria are great for the long haul, but will take some time to clear out the current mess. _____ From: Benjamin Zwissler [mailto:bjzwissler@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 1:17 PM To: Jack Brooks Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain I use the bacterial cleaners. It won't work immediately but will keep it clean indefinitely. It comes as a dry powder that you mix with warm water and pour down the drain. The bacteria eats the bio materials, including soap scum. I had a slow drain on my washer that was difficult to keep clear. The bacterial cleaner has kept it clean for years. If you put something down it that kills the bacteria you may to add them again. Ben...... On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: I'd give Hot water a go if you think the problem is in the connector pipe and it might be a fatty build up. Pour in a large container of hot water, while the hot water is running. I wouldn't run the disposal at this time, you want to give the hot water plenty of time to clear out the buildup. The idea is to overwhem the pipe with water and scour it clean. Conversely, you might just move the fat further down the pipe, which might not be a good thing. I've also run ice cubes down mine when it slowed. The cubes clean the heck out of the inside of the disposal. Citrus rinds clean really well too. -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 10:11 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain I have a garbage disposal that drains slow unless you run it. While I am pretty sure I know what is causing it (build up in the pipe), I am hoping that I don't have to pull the drain pipe to clean it out.... So, that being said, does anyone know if there is something I can run down the drain that will clear out that build up? Regular drain cleaners have not worked.... Thanks! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 16:25:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F27642D0A for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F46430E8 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 14 Apr 2013 22:13:57 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 95E3423B0F for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 22:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 15:14:03 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: 'Shop Talk' Subject: [Shop-talk] clone HDD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have about filled up my 75 gb HDD and rather than put in a new, bigger HDD and then manually install everything, I would like to clone a bootable image from the existing HDD over to the new HDD. Anyone got any experience in doing this? Advice? Probably another fix could be to just install a second HDD and move all the picture, video and music files that are eating up space on the C drive. Thanks _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 16:30:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7373A45516 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:30:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net (vms173025pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8CC42B58 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from philipnase3664.home ([unknown] [96.227.62.127]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0ML900C6BNRP8N80@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 17:28:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip Nase Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:28:37 -0400 References: <516B2A2B.5070706@frontier.com> To: Dave C , Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] clone HDD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It's easy on a Mac. Not so sure about a PC. On a Mac I create a bootable clone on the new drive and swap it in. Of course good backups before starting are a must. Phil Nase Applebachsville, PA http://home.comcast.net/~philnasecpa/ On Apr 14, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Dave C wrote: > I have about filled up my 75 gb HDD and rather than put in a new, bigger HDD and then manually install everything, I would like to clone a bootable image from the existing HDD over to the new HDD. Anyone got any experience in doing this? Advice? > > Probably another fix could be to just install a second HDD and move all the picture, video and music files that are eating up space on the C drive. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/nases@verizon.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 17:13:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A5A42B9F for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 17:13:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275494041F for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 17:10:41 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jDOjPYXs88/r5pXcCeM7yAlciJPiBA4/u0/1VmWk4ZvjQ5YRzziHZLthGhmmgOaL; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.13.240.97] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1URW2w-0000u7-LV; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:09:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:08:23 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Dave C References: <516B2A2B.5070706@frontier.com> Cc: 'Shop Talk' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] clone HDD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dave - Go to the manufacture's web site for your new drive if it didn't come with software. Cloning is a common action when people get new drives, so the manufactures make it easy. They will tell you how to connect both drives, setup the new one, and make the clone, then you can remove the old one and save it as a backup. I'd recommend your second option if everything is good with the existing drive other than free space. A sysadmin years ago recommended keeping data separate from the OS and I've been doing it since. I have three drives. One is Windoze and programs, one is pictures and other data files I create, and the third is TV programs (my computer serves as my DVR). This cuts down usage on my data drive and lets me do focused backups on the most important files. I seem to loose a drive about every 10 years and this has worked out well for making recovery easier. Brian On 4/14/2013 3:14 PM, Dave C wrote: > I have about filled up my 75 gb HDD and rather than put in a new, > bigger HDD and then manually install everything, I would like to clone > a bootable image from the existing HDD over to the new HDD. Anyone got > any experience in doing this? Advice? > > Probably another fix could be to just install a second HDD and move > all the picture, video and music files that are eating up space on the > C drive. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 17:29:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B488434AA for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 17:29:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B122442B20 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 17:18:38 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hFyG3EwL5/D38hkCBhXy43JYnfKoRP8h8/Qw3UGqLYmZ2R0joVAGkGYLR5OWcWOM; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [172.13.240.97] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1URWAd-00065O-Pf; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:17:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:16:20 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Tim References: <2df102dd.6b7744.13e09875fa5.Webtop.44@charter.net> Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tim - I had a disposer where the drain hose got clogged. I also had a case where the trap under the sink was very restricted with gunk. I'd try a sink full of hot water first as was already recommended then if that didn't work, go under the sink and check the drain pipe that is easy to get access. When I moved into my current house, I had to replace about 30 feet of cast iron drain pipe. It was clogged almost solid, but rotted through at the bottom. The plumber replacing the pipe (home warranty from the seller) said this is why he loves drain cleaners. Rather than just running a snake, he gets to charge a day or two of labor and put in new pipe. I don't know how true that is with other types of pipe, but I minimize my use of drain cleaner. Brian On 4/14/2013 10:11 AM, Tim wrote: > I have a garbage disposal that drains slow unless you run it. While I am > pretty sure I know what is causing it (build up in the pipe), I am > hoping that I don't have to pull the drain pipe to clean it out.... > > So, that being said, does anyone know if there is something I can run > down the drain that will clear out that build up? Regular drain cleaners > have not worked.... > > Thanks! > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 18:44:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CC243A60 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05FA4044E for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:33:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id b12so4183844wgh.30 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 17:32:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=s5l+Dcaim4n4NBTXJgM4E0qLRBebet/tgA6MQdj5Zls=; b=hFKvnTSb21BDmpEvsnRMhv7EvLqhbKEIQ+ZIZzmi1P87yI4m7jhjnzn8W7kjHzUU0j MNELMYndijunnTDm3BipdTPdzVvq5hoMLKGpDBBwenFfWliedG4PT7fJ1p2Vxp/fIinP wLXHE1lHjP8Dgs3vU//QjAo+Y3wTVWIRKjK0n9BSi2gTO87Eoz6V08njNsJYk7OfwxAK i4udg4D8G5sT4t/Euv0HQOCSEWFsViQRZy5Wal9Ipjxe5ofVFKPRoyr+q0rwLAUGEPBt WNHAThHCCN9Zs/y/TOZVCUPa+A4+CZqVVpz1SKCxzeJ6iyzBEvF8Q/0p2Sbv3oyC3jSq G3Uw== ek6mr8540636wib.7.1365985921039; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 17:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.119.131 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 17:32:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <2df102dd.6b7744.13e09875fa5.Webtop.44@charter.net> <516B38C4.6000109@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:32:00 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Fwd: slow disposal drain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Elton E. (Tony) Clark Date: 14 April 2013 18:51 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain To: Brian Kemp Cc: Tim , Shop Talk My wife, desperate to clear a disposal drain before company arrived, plugged both sides of the sink, ran the disposal side full of hot water and then unplugged that side and turned on the disposal . . the pumping action of the disposer and the weight of the full sink of water cleared the drain. We've tried it since; it always works for simple clogs but one wants to hold the non-disposer plug in place while the disposer runs or it might flow up in the sink. On 14 April 2013 18:16, Brian Kemp wrote: > Tim - I had a disposer where the drain hose got clogged. I also had a > case where the trap under the sink was very restricted with gunk. I'd try a > sink full of hot water first as was already recommended then if that didn't > work, go under the sink and check the drain pipe that is easy to get access. > > When I moved into my current house, I had to replace about 30 feet of cast > iron drain pipe. It was clogged almost solid, but rotted through at the > bottom. The plumber replacing the pipe (home warranty from the seller) > said this is why he loves drain cleaners. Rather than just running a snake, > he gets to charge a day or two of labor and put in new pipe. I don't know > how true that is with other types of pipe, but I minimize my use of drain > cleaner. > > Brian > > > On 4/14/2013 10:11 AM, Tim wrote: > >> I have a garbage disposal that drains slow unless you run it. While I am >> pretty sure I know what is causing it (build up in the pipe), I am >> hoping that I don't have to pull the drain pipe to clean it out.... >> >> So, that being said, does anyone know if there is something I can run >> down the drain that will clear out that build up? Regular drain cleaners >> have not worked.... >> >> Thanks! >> tim >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/shop-talk/bk13@**earthlink.net >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/eltonclark@**gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 18:45:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F129545461 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D684E429E3 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:41:39 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ApWdMfjPtJMA:10 a=oWM5omHWDioFydLrf0wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C5/86-11869-F6C4B615; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 00:40:16 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Dave C'" , "'Shop Talk'" Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 17:40:28 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac45XsLnu9p8xUR9TleGihm9e4xflAAEhxwA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] clone HDD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Probably another fix could be to just install a second HDD > and move all the picture, video and music files that are > eating up space on the C drive. If you have the drive bay & port, that is definitely the route I would recommend. Huge new hard drives are really cheap these days, and you can just set it up as D: and start using it. No need to copy the existing files if you don't want to (unless you need more room for optimizing, etc). And working across different disc spindles can help speed up some operations. I'm up to H: on this machine Maybe some drive makers offer cloning software now that will work across different disk types, but they sure didn't use to. We used to use a product called Symantec Ghost a lot; it worked very well across different disc types. But Windoze still sometimes had problems with the new drive, especially if the interface type was different (eg replacing parallel IDE with SATA or whatever). -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 14 19:47:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33284423A for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:47:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from wavecable.net (mail.astound.net [76.14.0.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D914440B for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 19:35:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.14.92.247] (HELO [10.0.1.10]) by wavecable.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 608203080; Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:34:04 -0700 References: <516B2A2B.5070706@frontier.com> From: Fred Katz Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:34:04 -0700 To: Dave C Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] clone HDD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I bought a NewerTech USB universal drive adapter, cost me about $27 at the time. Comes with both USB 3 and USB 2 connectors to your PC or Mac, and you can plug any HD into the device externally, whether 2.5 3.5 or 5.25 inch drive. Even has a SATA connector. Extremely easy to connect any HD to it, and then use clone software that you can get off the Internet. I've used this to copy drives (I have two of these devices). Also to copy the internal to an external before swapping them. The only problem I encountered was copying some 15-year-old drives but that probably is not something you would do. Alternatively, you could do as you said. I connect an external USB drive for storing all my large videos and picture albums. I changed the preferences on my applications to point to the external drive for accessing the home folder for videos and albums. That keeps my laptop internal drive from filling up. Fred - On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Dave C wrote: > I have about filled up my 75 gb HDD and rather than put in a new, bigger HDD and then manually install everything, I would like to clone a bootable image from the existing HDD over to the new HDD. Anyone got any experience in doing this? Advice? > > Probably another fix could be to just install a second HDD and move all the picture, video and music files that are eating up space on the C drive. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 05:51:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD7D444B2 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 05:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB005444A0 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 05:41:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130415114022.UCYD6169.mta11.charter.net@imp11> for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:40:22 -0400 Received: from wt07 ([209.225.8.57]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id QBgN1l0011Dq0wp05BgN36; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:40:22 -0400 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=-IZN7L2hZHQA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=HN0BmhZshL8A:10 a=-zdX31rftdy2PqRETkkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=BcwT0Smst7MCtTIIGOhIgQ==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:40:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:40:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I think I will try the bugs since we will be out of town this weekend coming up and they will have a chance to work without being washed down or killed. Thanks again! tim On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Tim wrote: > I have a garbage disposal that drains slow unless you run it. While I > am pretty sure I know what is causing it (build up in the pipe), I am > hoping that I don't have to pull the drain pipe to clean it out.... > > So, that being said, does anyone know if there is something I can run > down the drain that will clear out that build up? Regular drain > cleaners have not worked.... > > Thanks! > tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 06:22:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE92444B2 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 06:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s8.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s8.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4AB4397E for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 06:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL126-W25 ([65.55.34.73]) by col0-omc2-s8.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 15 Apr 2013 05:13:45 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: Brian Kemp Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:13:44 -0500 References: , <516AED74.1020204@earthlink.net> FILETIME=[AD2C9AA0:01CE39D2] Cc: shop talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anchoring railing posts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Brian. Both ideas are worth considering and the FSI link gives us a few more. Thanks for sharing them. Jim > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 10:55:00 -0700 > From: bk13@earthlink.net > To: jandkstone99@msn.com > CC: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anchoring railing posts > > Jim, > > Two options for your consideration: > > 1 - If the railings are solid and your wife only doesn't like them based > on the deteriorated finish, contact a local painting or iron works > company. You may find that their estimate to come out and sandblast, > prime, and paint is cheaper than new railing parts and your time. I > have a mixture of railings as well and the only problem with the c1957 > iron rail is rusting at the ground level where the previous owner didn't > do maintenance. Another advantage of this is that you don't have to > bring the railing in compliance with current building codes. Since it > is a rental property, you also will not have a period of time with no > railing since it can stay in place. > > 2. Look at an aluminum system to match the rest of the aluminum that > you already have. I pulled a permit for a balcony repair (that turned > into a replacement) and was required to replace the railing to bring it > in compliance with current codes. I used a cable rail system from > http://www.fsihp.com/products/aluminum-railing on my balcony. Their > prices were very good and the product is decent. I did have trouble > getting enough tension on the cables in my application, so would > consider other vendors if you go the cable route if you have long > lengths and corners. My project was a 45' long by 5' cantilevered > balcony for 55' of total railing. I used fascia mounted posts because > the balcony is a waterproof concrete and I didn't want any penetrations > in the surface. They also have surface mount posts. I think their > picket stile railing would be an easy application and may use them again > when I get to other railing where obstructing the view is not an issue. > > Brian > > On 4/14/2013 6:27 AM, Jim Stone wrote: > > My rental property currently has wrought iron railings along the steps leading > > to the front door and around the concrete deck that is in front of the door. > > The railings are solid, but pretty old and in need of a serious cleanup and > > coat of paint at best. It is also from two different eras, as I believe the > > railing at the top is original to the house (c1950) or close, while the steps > > is aluminum. The posts are all iron and very well anchored in the concrete. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 07:09:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A3C446B0 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:09:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E71E444F7 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 06:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r3FCvrFJ051243 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:57:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:57:50 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <516B2A2B.5070706@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] clone HDD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/14/2013 6:14 PM, Dave C wrote: > I have about filled up my 75 gb HDD and rather than put in a new, bigger > HDD and then manually install everything, I would like to clone a > bootable image from the existing HDD over to the new HDD. Anyone got any > experience in doing this? Advice? I've done it a bunch, but I'm a pro, and my usuall method isn't for the faint of heart; and some unix / linux experience helps, too. * Get a linux "live CD" image and burn it onto a disk. I like "Puppy Linux" (google will turn up any of this stuff, so I'll leave that to you.) A live CD is a full operating system that boots and runs from memory only. You don't have to install it, or modify anything on the HDD. * Install new drive. Real easy with SATA, which is a given on anything built in the last 8 years or so. * Boot Puppy Linux. It'll look a lot like a familiar Windows desktop. * Its system utilities menu has a program "gparted". This is a disk partition editor, much like partition magic if you ever used that back in the day. * Create the partition layout you want, and make the first one active or bootable using the "flags" menu option. * The old and new drives show up on the desktop with unix device names, like sda0 and sdb0. Take note of them. You can click to open them and verify which drive is the old C:. You'll have to right-click and do a "dismount" to close them. * Open "terminal" or "command line" or whatever it's called. * You've gonna use a command line program "ntfsclone" to copy from the old to the new drive. It takes all the sectors in use and builds them into a data stream that you can store somewhere, or shoot to a 2nd copy and extract. * Command will be like: ntfsclone -s /dev/sda1 -o - | ntfsclone -r -O /dev/sdb1 - BE real careful here; unix tends to give ya' enough rope to hang yourself. make sure those /dev entries are referring to the correct disk, or it will be happy to do exactly what you tell it, and copy the empty drive to the good one! That's it. It's not really as hairy as it sounds. Google ntfsclone, and there are a bunch of other similar how-tos out there. I would NOT use the xfer programs that the drive makers offer. The ones I've looked at usually are just a batch file using "xcopy" or something, which does NOT produce a true image or clone of your drive. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 07:41:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656BA429A1 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF404464D for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:31:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r3FDTlt0051348 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:29:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:29:44 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <2df102dd.6b7744.13e09875fa5.Webtop.44@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There is the old "run ice through the disposer" trick that's great for knocking rust and grime off the inside of the grind chamber. I've had really good results with Drano or Liquid Plumber foaming drain cleaners for drains & traps, but I don't know if I'd want to run it through a disposer (and they recommend against it.) PVC pipes & traps are dirt cheap, and Insinkerator makes a kick ass disposer. Installed their "Evo Compact" with the stainless steel chamber a couple years ago for $200; just avoid the el-cheapo "Badger" series. Brian wrote: > The plumber replacing the pipe ... said this is why he loves drain > cleaners. Rather than just running a snake, he gets to charge a day > or two of labor and put in new pipe. I saw this as a kid back in the 70s. Mom used to regularly use cleaner in the kitchen sink, which the chemical companies of the day advocated. Started leaking one day. The cleaner had totally eaten away the copper or brass pipe & trap from the inside out, and all that was left was a shell of chrome, about the thickness of heavy aluminum foil! PVC OTOH is pretty inert to alkaline & acid cleaners and doubt it would suffer. -Wayne On 4/14/2013 1:11 PM, Tim wrote: > I have a garbage disposal that drains slow unless you run it. While I am > pretty sure I know what is causing it (build up in the pipe), I am > hoping that I don't have to pull the drain pipe to clean it out.... > > So, that being said, does anyone know if there is something I can run > down the drain that will clear out that build up? Regular drain cleaners > have not worked.... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 07:42:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E157F44745 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA8044664 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r3FDdEHB051385 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:39:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:39:11 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <2df102dd.6b7744.13e09875fa5.Webtop.44@charter.net> <516B38C4.6000109@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fwd: slow disposal drain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/14/2013 8:32 PM, Elton E. (Tony) Clark wrote: > My wife, desperate to clear a disposal drain before company arrived, > plugged both sides of the sink, ran the disposal side full of hot water and > then unplugged that side and turned on the disposal . . the pumping action > of the disposer and the weight of the full sink of water cleared the My place was built around 2001, and has these "air admittance valves" (check valves, basically) rather that vent stacks on the drains. Filled the disposer & sink full of water to test for leaks, and found the disposer has strong enough pumping action that water was going UP the pipe and spraying out all over the cabinet under the sink! Yuck. Supposed to only allow air IN, nothing out! -w _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 07:43:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DF644754 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:43:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com [209.68.5.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 67309446F2 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:40:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 76076 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2013 13:39:13 -0000 Received: from 108.17.52.17 (HELO tonylaptop) (108.17.52.17) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2013 13:39:13 -0000 From: "Tony Vaccaro" To: References: <516B2A2B.5070706@frontier.com> <516BF94E.7080503@xxiii.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:40:56 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHSJeu6dKfQJsutd/D3WdIQ8PW61AIfBJUgmL55WBA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] clone HDD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is really not that difficult. I do it all the time, but that is the business I am in. Get yourself a copy of HD Clone. Bing it. That is all you need. Tony Vaccaro Lotus Owners of NY (LOONY) www.lotusowners.com 716-861-1412 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 11:17:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F65459F2 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:17:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6AB4492E for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:13:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id QHBp1l00T4VKuxU01HBpT1; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:11:50 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:11:49 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ibm looking (so far without success) for a type of bolt that: 1. slight convex head 2. underside of head has 4 facets (sides) that taper inward. The bolt is designed to fit into a small casting with a matching 4-sided tapered hole to lock bolt from rotating while being tightened. Anyone ever seen anything like this? Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 11:49:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8061544904 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A74C4484B for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail958c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3FHTpLq027190; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 17:29:53 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" , "Shop Talk" References: <334F0DCD301748839348D2AB68748EAB@StevePC> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:28:48 -0400 a=U1d9HnsBCykA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=5lucXWJGAAAA:8 a=8q-yzooO41DVBmmZ3HUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I'm looking (so far without success) for a type of bolt that: > 1. slight convex head > 2. underside of head has 4 facets (sides) that taper inward. Not sure about the tapered sides - look at McMaster-Carr's "plow bolts". http://www.mcmaster.com/#specialty-bolts/=mc17oc Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 11:50:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBE9449AB for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm28-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.190]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC804484B for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:33:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm28.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2013 17:31:53 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.147] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2013 17:31:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2013 17:31:53 -0000 tUiaLORZIVEAPplE81rGvyWm_P5lAsxK.CnomGcSmxeWfwom6pWBfsGTj4Zs _J3yVZOiyPQXYjb2c57kZmm_vCz7pC8Az.9wpUW0MdE26i0bJo5gqE5CKdTc qulcUAVvXa7Nd0ykShjMLgPQzOWmtmYwleyzkTYSY_ik2PwEybiXIwN0oIYb GMVeSEpKJMAusBeF7d6YxMhbslwGtsgAprp54w5Jh_n3qHP5nRZNun_RbFN4 jG.7QHwv_YCCNROry3DPv4aqaKH9zCHOSBshRnaBwlZXzqqb596.SlZYpynN FMR0q2W1Z7ja6IDMq968HPbt4UYlsE3miFjzlL44e7TFS2rGnh3ABrarjf7l yLeQa7S4die2jr2B6yuSKZnGxrt_EcLiaBVJQau.yYLIxcS4l8he5YqDZFTh IoIw6owURWpCPAHkdiRdGi8b7q2bW3a2cVnDx.EaFhETf38Xs smtp119.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2013 17:31:53 +0000 UTC From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA'" , "'Shop Talk'" References: <334F0DCD301748839348D2AB68748EAB@StevePC> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:31:52 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJTK8vZEgd9PrduoagH6QvOJq5v0ZfNpaXw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How does it differ from a carriage bolt? -----Original Message----- From: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA Subject: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts I'm looking (so far without success) for a type of bolt that: 1. slight convex head 2. underside of head has 4 facets (sides) that taper inward. The bolt is designed to fit into a small casting with a matching 4-sided tapered hole to lock bolt from rotating while being tightened. Anyone ever seen anything like this? Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 11:50:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C04D44A09 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF12B4484B for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id QHZ01l00F4VKuxU01HZ0wY; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:33:01 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" References: <334F0DCD301748839348D2AB68748EAB@StevePC> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:33:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I should clarify: This is not a carriage bolt. When looking in the plan (downward) view, the head appears square. In other words, the slightly domed head surface meets the sides to form a square shape that nests into the tapered square hole in the casting. The tapered sides appear to be around 30 degrees from vertical. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:11 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts Ibm looking (so far without success) for a type of bolt that: 1. slight convex head 2. underside of head has 4 facets (sides) that taper inward. The bolt is designed to fit into a small casting with a matching 4-sided tapered hole to lock bolt from rotating while being tightened. Anyone ever seen anything like this? Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6246 - Release Date: 04/15/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 12:10:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C1D44AB4 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC96449AA for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id QHyi1l00i4VKuxU01Hyi9t; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:58:43 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Shop Talk" References: <334F0DCD301748839348D2AB68748EAB@StevePC> <7C08F4B934994325A352C10CCFA00705@StevePC> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:58:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts (now see photos) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, this will make it easier: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97934425@N00/ go here to see some photos of what Ibm trying to describe. Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:33 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts I should clarify: This is not a carriage bolt. When looking in the plan (downward) view, the head appears square. In other words, the slightly domed head surface meets the sides to form a square shape that nests into the tapered square hole in the casting. The tapered sides appear to be around 30 degrees from vertical. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:11 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts Ibm looking (so far without success) for a type of bolt that: 1. slight convex head 2. underside of head has 4 facets (sides) that taper inward. The bolt is designed to fit into a small casting with a matching 4-sided tapered hole to lock bolt from rotating while being tightened. Anyone ever seen anything like this? Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6246 - Release Date: 04/15/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6246 - Release Date: 04/15/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 12:24:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D17444AC1 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:24:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a58.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D45242A1C for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:13:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a58.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a58.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78DB7D8060 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:12:41 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=MrqrezwuMpy4yEiEApVYbv4uwEA=; b=WVBfFIanyXJB htfO6qWrvFdPW9K2+WKm9LrbxK2mDPIKic/GWX+sU6I9Zr73tgJDGRMmQ+RO2YJe BPnvqbZnk2mzZbZEQ1GcalR6jFD/hTdKwEIE+9bGF1ScBMiCuW48gDSZgT7ABtTj Y86k2ppNdLZjdkGZwZUn4RhoCUHagt0= Received: from lambag01-nb1.india.int.com (pool-mnat.min.navisite.com [216.251.225.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a58.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 55F267D805B for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:12:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:12:26 -0400 References: <334F0DCD301748839348D2AB68748EAB@StevePC> <7C08F4B934994325A352C10CCFA00705@StevePC> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts (now see photos) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Apr 15, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: > OK, this will make it easier: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/97934425@N00/ > go here to see some photos of what Ibm trying to describe. > Thanks. Have you tried a Google image search, using the actual image? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 13:09:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A5844B07 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nexicom.net (barracuda1.nexicom.net [216.168.96.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBBE444B2 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:58:22 -0600 (MDT) x-ip-name=76.75.113.156; Received: from CAD (unverified [76.75.113.156]) by nexicom.net (SurgeMail 5.1c) with ESMTP id 395281310-1712458 for multiple; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:56:54 -0400 From: "Doug Armstrong" To: "'Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA'" , "'Shop Talk List'" References: <334F0DCD301748839348D2AB68748EAB@StevePC><7C08F4B934994325A352C10CCFA00705@StevePC> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:56:49 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac46BEtsY5xEUFA+TV6y4oJSmRhmPwABVsMQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts (now see photos) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I think the proper description, or closest would be "square head plow bolt" as shown in this photo: http://file.seekpart.com/productsimage/2012/7/17/201271710421319835.jpg As for a source, I'm not sure. I found a couple of discussions about them being used on old Oliver plows. Maybe someone into farm equipment restoration knows of a source? http://olivergang.org/discus/messages/963/1153.html?1104199506 Doug Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 1:59 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts (now see photos) OK, this will make it easier: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97934425@N00/ go here to see some photos of what Ibm trying to describe. Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:33 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts I should clarify: This is not a carriage bolt. When looking in the plan (downward) view, the head appears square. In other words, the slightly domed head surface meets the sides to form a square shape that nests into the tapered square hole in the casting. The tapered sides appear to be around 30 degrees from vertical. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:11 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts Ibm looking (so far without success) for a type of bolt that: 1. slight convex head 2. underside of head has 4 facets (sides) that taper inward. The bolt is designed to fit into a small casting with a matching 4-sided tapered hole to lock bolt from rotating while being tightened. Anyone ever seen anything like this? Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6246 - Release Date: 04/15/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gsteve@hammatt.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6246 - Release Date: 04/15/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darmstrong@nexicom.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6245 - Release Date: 04/14/13 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6244 - Release Date: 04/14/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 13:09:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8892344B62 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:09:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E616744A71 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:03:39 -0600 (MDT) a=3mlFkt3/Kr0z3teqGMs7iA==:17 a=4Id4fHYsNtMA:10 a=QTFOEh9fAJMA:10 a=U1d9HnsBCykA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=rBmP57f28C0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=O6CCpYVMExIRX8Rojg0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ZDNZvbjShcMdVjQ8i6kA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=qqmXw9qCoQ7hB2NL:21 a=3mlFkt3/Kr0z3teqGMs7iA==:117 Received: from [108.183.8.127] ([108.183.8.127:54126] helo=[108.183.8.127]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AB/E8-25887-4BE4C615; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:02:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:02:04 -0400 From: skip albright User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <334F0DCD301748839348D2AB68748EAB@StevePC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net like a carriage bolt, but different? On 4/15/2013 1:11 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: > Ibm looking (so far without success) for a type of bolt that: > 1. slight convex head > 2. underside of head has 4 facets (sides) that taper inward. > The bolt is designed to fit into a small casting with a matching > 4-sided tapered hole to lock bolt from rotating while being > tightened. > > Anyone ever seen anything like this? > > Steve Hammatt > Mount Vernon WA USA > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/salbrigh@nycap.rr.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 13:10:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3759544BDD for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (lan23.xxiii.com [24.246.172.99]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B5D433FE for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:08:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host-173-246-195-102.morrisbb.com [173.246.195.102] (may be forged)) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r3FJ70px052661 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:07:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:06:56 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <334F0DCD301748839348D2AB68748EAB@StevePC> <7C08F4B934994325A352C10CCFA00705@StevePC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts (now see photos) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 4/15/2013 1:58 PM, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: > OK, this will make it easier: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/97934425@N00/ > go here to see some photos of what Ibm trying to describe. > Thanks. Interesting; never seen anything like that. Apparently the hole is unthreaded, and the square part keeps it from turning while you run a nut on from the other side? -w _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 15:01:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB71845A31 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE838427C4 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:53:00 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=rBmP57f28C0A:10 a=sUDFOqZaAAAA:20 a=0wpJCd8FAAAA:20 a=_dN_lpb0XN-gn14UU00A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=gPX1CeoiS3YA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:41966] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 27/11-11869-2586C615; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:51:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:51:30 +0000 From: Randall To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" , Shop Talk Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- "Steve Hammatt wrote: > Ibm looking (so far without success) for a type of bolt that: > 1. slight convex head > 2. underside of head has 4 facets (sides) that taper inward. > The bolt is designed to fit into a small casting with a matching > 4-sided tapered hole to lock bolt from rotating while being > tightened. Steve, I think you'll have more luck searching by application. That sounds like a manufacturer's special to me. For example http://goo.gl/5hXM8 Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 15:15:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401F345A66 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:15:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2202D44BF2 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:09:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id QM7e1l00N4VKuxU01M7eVM; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:07:39 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Randall" , "Shop Talk" References: <20130415205130.CQ4CI.40606.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:07:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I donbt think a search for b1912 Cadillac Leather License Plate Hanger Boltb will turn up the correct bolt. My thinking is that there could have been other applications for the same or very similar item (such as was mentioned earlier about bplow boltsb) and that they may be still available for that reason. Thanks. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: Randall Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 1:51 PM To: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA ; Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts ---- "Steve Hammatt wrote: > Ibm looking (so far without success) for a type of bolt that: > 1. slight convex head > 2. underside of head has 4 facets (sides) that taper inward. > The bolt is designed to fit into a small casting with a matching > 4-sided tapered hole to lock bolt from rotating while being > tightened. Steve, I think you'll have more luck searching by application. That sounds like a manufacturer's special to me. For example http://goo.gl/5hXM8 Randall ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6246 - Release Date: 04/15/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 15:31:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF13E45A74 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCA044CEE for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MLB005LPFJ14J30@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 17:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 17:25:27 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" , Shop Talk References: <20130415205130.CQ4CI.40606.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <93D9BF36398440ACAEBCBC4A880A4909@StevePC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I was just about to tell you that there's this guy who was on Jay Leno's Garage who makes leather license plates, and perhaps he might have some idea where to get those bolts. Then I went to get the link and I realized, that's you! So much for that idea. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 05:07 PM 4/15/2013, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: >I donbt think a search for b1912 Cadillac Leather License Plate >Hanger Boltbwill turn up the correct bolt. My thinking is that >there could have been other applications for the same or very >similar item (such as was mentioned earlier about bplow boltsb) >and that they may be still available for that reason. >Thanks. > >Steve Hammatt >Mount Vernon WA USA _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 15 15:47:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502E545AD9 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:47:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AD245913 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 15:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from StevePC ([24.113.13.208]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id QMg71l00j4VKuxU01Mg8w9; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:40:09 -0700 From: "Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA" To: "Steven Trovato" , "Shop Talk" References: <20130415205130.CQ4CI.40606.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> <93D9BF36398440ACAEBCBC4A880A4909@StevePC> <0MLB005LRFJ14J30@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 14:40:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Grin! My wife and I stopped by last Saturday for a short visit with Jay and a chance for my wife to see the collection. Ibm working on making hangers for plates to go along with my plates. www.leatherplates.com Thanks! BTW, with everyonebs help I determined that what I need is a small version of a #4 domed head Plow Bolt. Now, just to find the right size and source. Steve Hammatt Mount Vernon WA USA From: Steven Trovato Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 2:25 PM To: Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA ; Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Specialty bolts I was just about to tell you that there's this guy who was on Jay Leno's Garage who makes leather license plates, and perhaps he might have some idea where to get those bolts. Then I went to get the link and I realized, that's you! So much for that idea. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 05:07 PM 4/15/2013, Steve Hammatt, Mount Vernon WA USA wrote: >I donbt think a search for b1912 Cadillac Leather License Plate >Hanger Boltbwill turn up the correct bolt. My thinking is that >there could have been other applications for the same or very >similar item (such as was mentioned earlier about bplow boltsb) >and that they may be still available for that reason. >Thanks. > >Steve Hammatt >Mount Vernon WA USA ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6246 - Release Date: 04/15/13 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 06:59:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA3642B42 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1950E42931 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2013 12:58:16 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.174] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2013 12:58:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2013 12:58:16 -0000 leT9.ncdROhGyEHyGarGZsdDlbjl30hqAeSQEcSJKrbC957byuCAa69MzToQ BkUZQe8cgfcXvGGpl0yHnPih2CQ4QBbA22FFQ2DCz5SZ9ZCHI8G6eK16z603 UxqY7NDsnY0Q7_Vry0dNVPm9p.5CVdtZ6qRTRk2PFuEksbFPnL7xTlJ83Hgx 8W99RlFzvAk6lFxivBoOH7M6lpnnW3xXu6gHLSrnPW6ULsaxAMjfoELWVvIG KoICjq9VyWFje8jdUmc20lCZU4gIVOqkS6ttVIqJZlIJQFIbEfS8ynMcOmU3 nHh2cu6sR1QtjDUuS96RX6ri5vi3TkZaDsQOR_U09Rh_bz5YPa97kqIEySJo .vAMayLNGeuWDKxc.LxTCGb.dooegpj2jOv52oHZcjiiAMG2MT1VEpgs48wr aqwiSbLSwPTDjnseBHXI2VDSzoiIXNw-- smtp108.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2013 05:58:15 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: <2df102dd.6b7744.13e09875fa5.Webtop.44@charter.net> <516B38C4.6000109@earthlink.net> <516C02FF.8020302@xxiii.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:58:21 -0500 Thread-Index: AQFVQlVjt8A57sT1LmX5MF4thyW+QQHqB1ssAcWdz2ICb7Bb8QKlfnjbmY4FRoA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fwd: slow disposal drain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Based on the good experiences reported here, I decided to try "bugs" in our upstairs bathroom. The tub drain runs a long way to the stack, and sometimes gets slow. Bleach always fixes it, but a permanent fix sounds better. I went to Menard's and saw many kinds of enzymatic septic system cleaners, but nothing that said it was intended for interior plumbing. Same thing, or is there another product that I need to look for? Thanks! Karl _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 07:24:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9B042BC0 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:24:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898B742931 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130422132306.OZNQ24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:23:06 -0400 Received: from wt07 ([209.225.8.57]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id T1P61l00J1Dq0wp051P6Pt; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:23:06 -0400 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=FB2WdnQnj3MA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=HN0BmhZshL8A:10 a=ZkZ3e_UN6IDHl-YnELQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=BcwT0Smst7MCtTIIGOhIgQ==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:23:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:23:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Since I have not yet gotten around to looking for bugs, I am interested in this info as well. So, PLEASE reply to the list. Thanks!! tim On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > Based on the good experiences reported here, I decided to try "bugs" > in our > upstairs bathroom. The tub drain runs a long way to the stack, and > sometimes gets slow. Bleach always fixes it, but a permanent fix > sounds > better. > > I went to Menard's and saw many kinds of enzymatic septic system > cleaners, > but nothing that said it was intended for interior plumbing. Same > thing, or > is there another product that I need to look for? > > Thanks! > Karl > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 20:02:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAF8428FA for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA4B40433 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:57:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 23 Apr 2013 01:56:53 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DF74E30C05E for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 01:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 18:57:02 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Did I kill my mower? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My wife got the riding mower out a couple of weeks ago, and it was initially smoking and running rough. I attributed it to old gas and her tendency to over-choke the engine when starting. It eventually settled down and ran ok. Today she tried again and got LOTS of white smoke and poor power, and eventually it wouldn't run well enough to mow. I checked it this afternoon and found the same problem. Lots of white smoke, it would sort of settle down, then it would quit. Investigation eventually turned up gas in the crankcase, probably a couple of quarts. Apparently the float in the carb stuck open over the winter and flooded the crankcase (yes, I failed to close the fuel shut off valve last fall). I drained the oil and refilled the crankcase with good oil, and now have the mower on the charger as I ran the battery down during my troubleshooting process. I'll try to start it again later; when it ran earlier it didn't make any really scary metal on metal noises; I haven't taken the oil filter apart to check for debris in it, either. The mower is a Kubota T1670, about 13 years old, with a 15 HP OHV engine and 40 inch deck. Until now it's been flawless. One new battery and annual oil changes, sharpen the blades at the beginning of the season. A new comparable mower from Kubota has a MSRP of about $3500, and I am not expecting much of a discount based on past history with Kubota. The new model is 18 HP with a 42" deck. Do you think the engine's toast? If so, do you think it would it be economical to have Kubota rebuild it? (Yes, it's well within my skill set to rebuild it. No, I'm not going to. Other than routine maintenance, I'm done wrenching on small gas engines.) Other options? Thanks Dave _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 20:48:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E4042920 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f49.google.com (mail-qe0-f49.google.com [209.85.128.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5CC427A7 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:48:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qe0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 6so93002qeb.36 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:47:37 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=x-received:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from :subject:date:to; bh=4FylrrgtwTX0io5jcMyWjMmevIKJkAgn9lZX7x1x3nw=; b=JTpu1XQy/Sqx5DxDmrK15aljAfQiQEMigwfrapWoxlKw8NmGFWf+JC2pf36EPy+wXi qxAlRuQhIktL7jbMcHv9pfT2iqEYmbEjFfEQMRUF7jjy/LWNYIKmjbT8WPqW2YbmoSkc w0iTRjC22eFALZ7zM100zJ1Ah9A1O4kiAcslyBUmzGkyFFwolRni7m7sgmvI5oIfzYPh vkHbhPEZwchMKUhvMePH2ITuvw1GjRvh/FFMucpTIVW81Hr8Cba67nSSFqEXVdhU5i2c lxuZbhZ2ES+J1SC31pwp9FJBq+D9EAr4DAZ8Z0s9WwrXP4AlZAxOBV3++dbgfDnoCOaM qjtA== ga6mr9780287qcb.151.1366685257525; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.11.119] (50-77-134-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.77.134.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b13sm8815292qai.3.2013.04.22.19.47.34 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:47:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <5175EA6E.6010803@frontier.com> From: David Scheidt Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:47:32 -0500 To: Dave C Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Did I kill my mower? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Dave C wrote: > > > Do you think the engine's toast? If so, do you think it would it be economical to have Kubota rebuild it? (Yes, it's well within my skill set to rebuild it. No, I'm not going to. Other than routine maintenance, I'm done wrenching on small gas engines.) Other options? > Change the filter, put some good oil in it, fix the carb, and mow. If you've damaged the engine, it's not going to br cheaper to fix now, than it will be when it's totally toast. If you haven't, you're worrying too much. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 21:04:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628B342962 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:04:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65BD40558 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.165]) by out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 23 Apr 2013 03:03:37 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A8BE219C97; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 03:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:03:42 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: David Scheidt References: <5175EA6E.6010803@frontier.com> <673C69D6-ED98-4253-854E-44B5E6199AB7@gmail.com> Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Did I kill my mower? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like I'm ok for the time being. I left it on the charger for a bit and it started up and after running for a minute it ran fine. I finished the grass and it worked just like it always did, no smoke. This weekend I'll change the oil again with Delo 400 and put a new filter on it. Those mowers are pretty tough. On 4/22/2013 7:47 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > > On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:57 PM, Dave C wrote: > >> >> Do you think the engine's toast? If so, do you think it would it be economical to have Kubota rebuild it? (Yes, it's well within my skill set to rebuild it. No, I'm not going to. Other than routine maintenance, I'm done wrenching on small gas engines.) Other options? >> > Change the filter, put some good oil in it, fix the carb, and mow. If you've damaged the engine, it's not going to br cheaper to fix now, than it will be when it's totally toast. If you haven't, you're worrying too much. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 22 21:18:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FF4429ED for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:18:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0079542257 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 21:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A8A276C48 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMDHexaCore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110D9276C44 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:57:55 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Did I kill my mower? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I wonder if an oil analysis would be of help in determining the condition of the engine. If it seems to run OK, put several hours on it first. Then pull an oil sample and send it to a lab. If the wear metals are higher than normal, that would show that internal damage has been done. I use Blackstone Labs (http://www.blackstone-labs.com)to analyze the oil in my cars. They'll send you a sample kit for free, you pay the $25 fee when you send it in. On the sample slip, you can give some details of the gas-in-the-oilpan situation so they know what to look for. Also, try contacting them first. They likely have dealt with similar situations and can advise you on how many hours to put on the engine before pulling a sample or if you should do anything else first. If they've done tests on that engine type in the past, they'll have average numbers for that motor. Those can be compared to your sample. My test reports show averages for both my engine and universal averages for my version of the TDI motor. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 276,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 401,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 07:58:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4247642573 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:58:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EE842573 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:58:37 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:42:35 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 04/26/2013 09:42:38, Serialize complete at 04/26/2013 09:42:38 Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting up fiberglass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, I have a 23' sailboat that I need to get rid of. Here are my options... 1-Sell it complete for maybe a $100-$200 (trailer included.)(Note, the boat needs work.) 2-Part it out and sell the components, then get rid of the hull. (I'm estimating about $700-$1200 worth of parts) 3-Donate it complete I was opting for #2. If I go that route, I have to cut up the boat. It's a single skin (no insulation or foam) hull. I have a 2yd dumpster that I could put pieces in each week. If I cut it, can I use a chainsaw without damaging the saw (I'm not that concerned about the blade, I'll just use an old one.) If I wet the boat as I'm cutting, will this damage the saw? I've tried in the past to use a recip saw, but it took forever. What about a carbide tip cir-saw or dia grinder? Any advice? Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 08:03:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B834298B for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:03:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A73F42573 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id fq13so3631207lab.14 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:01:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JI+Fddooj72DSuYCOog7SoUsnJcZ4n4Xcavc8dMDEto=; b=a+enjegeBs4LwnUuf7s9ibJQP9rft4TJr1WVWgs70sm/bux8cgbhg4pbzY2AeoWPvT wLc7WkfBjIkIr/nGF7tJZQWoF/BxcwhgLqiwlX2I/0RUtRimN2nsv8Ra/MbpC9Qe5on4 FjJ9d6ss09C/n+v9ND0jqKZ5nWnHtVQA3HHlAr13j6BAfsx2WHou4wo05gLpH6BNC7Av w9dSKr4C4779RJtigt5FUFN7HuXRRwkOQib42rb8De93U64M2stIPYDulg9bBPxfRldO 13IlbtWJ6z95wxnqKxVIoaHn9L5sGVk5upENYGJrSGZ1MQyx2Yu4aHKJPT8xVpi5eDZ/ ZeUQ== wi6mr21370618lbb.45.1366984901792; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.43.35 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:01:41 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting up fiberglass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:42 AM, wrote: > Ok, I have a 23' sailboat that I need to get rid of. Here are my > options... > > If I cut it, can I use a chainsaw without damaging the saw (I'm not that > concerned about the blade, I'll just use an old one.) > > If I wet the boat as I'm cutting, will this damage the saw? I'd be worried about my lungs. I imagine there'd be lots of fibrous dust. Bad for you and your tool. What about busting it with a hammer into smaller pieces? Maybe an air chisel and wide-blade implement? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 08:14:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820DE42993 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9201342573 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711FA68C065; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:11:07 -0700 (PDT) :mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=3uDKbIAMDxoctmtxu+Oc3aICES0=; b=fodTpZ00DFic GOcWE8r0FohT4T1HNsES27js0iPnm0ygDy0lhbBbMJ9TAyFPHAtMHALfjz0k11f4 Hkt0piRa3LLoywmXmkwCYk8uAhahcW96nNjayv8yWFEUtOZ1/wjjOjcPhf+eocXz unVkZi8DKFXmFAoKDZxy2KauIdjO7r8= Received: from [10.217.64.7] (pool-mnat.min.navisite.com [216.251.225.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EFBDA68C05F; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:11:05 -0400 References: To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting up fiberglass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Apr 26, 2013, at 9:42 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > I've tried in the past to use a recip saw, but it took forever. What > about a carbide tip cir-saw or dia grinder? I cut up a shower with a sawzall and demolition blade. It went quickly enough that I could hold my breath. Boat may be made from something completely different though. Are you near a vo-tech school or sailing club/school? A donation could be useful for either. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 08:16:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D948D4299B for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A8442975 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:16:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id w16so3635683vbf.13 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:15:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=STTRGcS56hWCSuSPZ+TavUAKigiisQ3J/7TYbyLC2Oo=; b=0eITKZf1IXUh2n7Yl2uNTXRF7X08l9tOarcaZRGj5i647Gff4Cin7t2bVMPYilRQ1C j3L/BlAED8/op8Sey9jg3jiklWGGSSsaXfEP3f8uYmtXFDJp/hStW/f63sn+qRI8Bc2S FzGXTC34Pfq8D2UDQEe/n5M8ScPBUD2/EocD4tKZc3FGd04xEYEm1t+V6O3ZjJ6xXxma cuxiTcV1zk94EpOHXwL3dT3TzJSYpmQ2U78loF56jODEfci6nK5pNrF3Wf8yb02jft1w r8pJ3WH5rWeQmZ6ncMCODO643oiRNAmZdCz6d5NR6C/G7rRAKXYwLhcZD0zQJEilkmIt ciOw== cz1mr24239905vdc.7.1366985714106; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.115.161 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:15:13 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:15:14 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting up fiberglass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you're going to cut it up, I'd use a recip saw with a medium blade, and wear a mask and saftey glasses like Jeff suggested. On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 9:42 AM, wrote: > > Ok, I have a 23' sailboat that I need to get rid of. Here are my > > options... > > > > If I cut it, can I use a chainsaw without damaging the saw (I'm not that > > concerned about the blade, I'll just use an old one.) > > > > If I wet the boat as I'm cutting, will this damage the saw? > > I'd be worried about my lungs. I imagine there'd be lots of fibrous > dust. Bad for you and your tool. > > What about busting it with a hammer into smaller pieces? Maybe an air > chisel and wide-blade implement? > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 09:26:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288DD42891 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ibis.arvixe.com (ibis.arvixe.com [50.97.138.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC834255C for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c-98-212-104-64.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([98.212.104.64]:50666 helo=[192.168.1.122]) by ibis.arvixe.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UVkSs-0004Cj-4Y for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:21:34 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:21:20 -0500 From: Matt Wehland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: with any abuse report paulyd@pennyantepub.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting up fiberglass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How big is the keel and is it lead? Lead is worth money, don't put it in the dumpster. If you want leads on selling the lead let me know. Matt On 4/26/2013 8:42 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Ok, I have a 23' sailboat that I need to get rid of. Here are my > options... > > 1-Sell it complete for maybe a $100-$200 (trailer included.)(Note, the > boat needs work.) > 2-Part it out and sell the components, then get rid of the hull. (I'm > estimating about $700-$1200 worth of parts) > 3-Donate it complete > > I was opting for #2. If I go that route, I have to cut up the boat. It's > a single skin (no insulation or foam) hull. I have a 2yd dumpster that I > could put pieces in each week. > > If I cut it, can I use a chainsaw without damaging the saw (I'm not that > concerned about the blade, I'll just use an old one.) > > If I wet the boat as I'm cutting, will this damage the saw? > > I've tried in the past to use a recip saw, but it took forever. What > about a carbide tip cir-saw or dia grinder? > > Any advice? > > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mjw@littlegrassy.com > > -- Matt Wehland (815) 295-4533 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 10:02:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7340D42991 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:02:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f49.google.com (mail-pa0-f49.google.com [209.85.220.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11ED14255C for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id kp14so2593435pab.36 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:00:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KXN4AraXssFXtUqgwRZC/gaWdXKEq8clxi8q6/zVppg=; b=S2gzxzBD8SfYhaAHTbuvtUtTvcNd9/NjgHvO+cd8RPBsH10EPRvmamJrSk2CU9CM9i DaxiUsWHVEvR+DP+KTmY6e0ClY2LGwNwNq503i10TLLeimAkXTihjSYzdBfzQLVS7Hcz WETju3cJNe91glQ4cUO1PKkaNrBs0rk4Dr6C+I0jAN9LjL3OomL0gJOdlEwL7FpRk9We SR+2lDpTyTsUOnKeqq2aviPOZ+7VWTlV96NwJZnyb5FXErY4vCif5MF+cs12v4S0/L/H N6oc6/yf0udUb8XpuqnbcFRRROOsoikrM6be/iyYIENJm/Z1xZnFAXAtgw0XyQi7o7dh pIZA== or5mr60155111pbc.152.1366992051437; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.120.197 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.120.197 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:00:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <3e799435.6e5d94.13e31e9801a.Webtop.47@charter.net> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:00:51 -0400 From: Peter Murray To: Tim Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] slow disposal drain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have used the Zep Professional Drain Care with good results. It is available at Home Depot. I do typically try to put it down proactively, though that application is pretty irregular... -Peter On Apr 22, 2013 9:23 AM, "Tim" wrote: > Since I have not yet gotten around to looking for bugs, I am interested in > this info as well. > > So, PLEASE reply to the list. > > Thanks!! > tim > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > > Based on the good experiences reported here, I decided to try "bugs" in >> our >> upstairs bathroom. The tub drain runs a long way to the stack, and >> sometimes gets slow. Bleach always fixes it, but a permanent fix sounds >> better. >> >> I went to Menard's and saw many kinds of enzymatic septic system cleaners, >> but nothing that said it was intended for interior plumbing. Same thing, >> or >> is there another product that I need to look for? >> >> Thanks! >> Karl >> ______________________________**_________________ >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/shop-talk/** > peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 12:36:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24020429C8 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1389429B8 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:35:58 -0600 (MDT) d="scan'208,217";a="407773684" Received: from host-78-147-215-228.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.1.34]) ([78.147.215.228]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 26 Apr 2013 19:34:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:34:30 +0100 From: Neil Sherry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting up fiberglass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My Thoughts. Don't do it! By all means strip and sell the fittings. But then with the hull: List it on ebay - for $5 - someone might take it away and save you the trouble of cutting it up! Or even keep it! It could be used in a playground for kids to climb over, turned upside down as a shed/playhouse, maybe a college could use it for structural testing analysis. It could be sunk in the ground as a pond, filled with soil and planted with flowers/vegetables (think jumbo window box - maybe at the side of the road outside your property). Or the front 8 ft could be cut off and stood up to form a sheltered seat - like this http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3187/2845782678_53ab5c3efb_z.jpg?zz=1 If you get really desperate, maybe break it up with a machine (backhoe/bulldozer etc) rather than cutting might work On 26/04/2013 14:42, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Ok, I have a 23' sailboat that I need to get rid of. Here are my > options... > > 1-Sell it complete for maybe a $100-$200 (trailer included.)(Note, the > boat needs work.) > 2-Part it out and sell the components, then get rid of the hull. (I'm > estimating about $700-$1200 worth of parts) > 3-Donate it complete > > I was opting for #2. If I go that route, I have to cut up the boat. It's > a single skin (no insulation or foam) hull. I have a 2yd dumpster that I > could put pieces in each week. > > If I cut it, can I use a chainsaw without damaging the saw (I'm not that > concerned about the blade, I'll just use an old one.) > > If I wet the boat as I'm cutting, will this damage the saw? > > I've tried in the past to use a recip saw, but it took forever. What > about a carbide tip cir-saw or dia grinder? > > Any advice? > > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/neiljsherry@talktalk.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 12:50:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319DB429D6 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437F542844 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2013 18:49:11 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.123] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2013 18:49:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2013 18:49:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 96552 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2013 18:49:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367002151; bh=w76VV2m7xG+zyRFRUCI/vkoglb6J+j7p2tE6659jrts=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qJgR8StwQxkpn5JQm45JpdOlX5XavUGVDCMnbfmL74zuDkHRB+SYu+jI5YKx+s0JxYhimQxMpm6RqzncwRtaPN4exovyaIQ0yOFhGvym+eBfNEhKxXtm9OugPIBtXtbIo3JVNB8RoiVUdYOujvykL3MGejVoXLlL6hFsgocv8Qg= s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gtS3zR8vJj/RjM2oYXkYv8IBR14in8ltT3g61YSO4Uthyg31DzTjkx60VZ8zCZxlIoqsfyjEauktFOaLa7FqMkLjJrBXpHlVGk/if3mYWIrh6bCzXl+pILxGUAgUdbmpxc9cCMf9sBkXEc05bjT5LI2aLCo740/Z8VB0tTfRhXA=; X9_pQuZHv5_qwwy88WM1an_kMfnmcQND4b5rnNWZq3pXSrNS.C0EN5Ikh8Tv BfOEaqvpUGddFq7Br9eQl9C5lnO.g5yR1LsZHgjdTnMzmsWsY2LEb_ZVAtBl m4hZ4DTHbj.ncQOyhsi5vQ3K..3rs_01kKNMkUFtpmL0KdgK80cMVoJClsec uu3IhAhlKKqHYEFVd3zawLRW9R2gebGH_p9Dmt0fMB08idILI.7WUZudHj_7 SBP4AZyMlC7xw7h4KRAuMLzESONF86DTmgSubQQZEn9C7anSh_Dr7pZsJk9i 77A.4XIoHkSEXsLoVeN8yDVTh0rXtMs1iUTH03Yc7K55qgW7hB6PAtBFd38V sditUXOla2SCpy19OP4FMictkI26NLR.ED4OIKCGkkzvVHs_sMUz5GJFxOH9 mzwF1vpnEq_78qNG.sjGsNsd0YA7pZfj55mV4LzhybO9I5XqXldPpVWRuOAS 3zO1nXbDs7MvyE_0HXMp3MBZzexEn8MBt1zDJG8vZhISNpIm.b71F4BD1sNI EfF6oc8ZuDdWMRTxmNIZSvvO7eK6s.1pDsYCGyAJhN2ZWX5onYPIZmSFnBsg dOF5Lfp5raXa1B62yn9BiLxC_BHNrKuwZ6sGDosOSkt96KS.YkpBJXPT9Ray 4MwwYuCpdpXXp8SF3pN9S Received: from [68.181.108.79] by web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:49:10 PDT U3RyaXAgaXQgYW5kIGxlYXZlIHRoZSBodWxsIGJ5IHRoZSBzaWRlIG9mIHRoZSByb2FkIHdpdGggYSAiZnJlZSIgc2lnbi4gIEkgdGhpbmsgCml0IHdvdWxkIGRpc2FwcGVhci4uLgoKYmVzdCwKCmRvdWcKCgoKCi0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLQpGcm9tOiBOZWlsIFNoZXJyeSA8bmVpbGpzaGVycnlAdGFsa3RhbGsubmV0PgpUbzogc2hvcC10YWxrQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0ClNlbnQ6IEZyaSwgQXByaWwgMjYsIDIwMTMgMTE6MzQ6NDUgQU0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFtTaG9wLXRhbGtdIEN1dHQBMAEBAQE- References: <517AC8B6.7080208@talktalk.net> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: old dirtbeard To: Neil Sherry , shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting up fiberglass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Strip it and leave the hull by the side of the road with a "free" sign. I think it would disappear... best, doug ----- Original Message ---- From: Neil Sherry To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, April 26, 2013 11:34:45 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting up fiberglass My Thoughts. Don't do it! By all means strip and sell the fittings. But then with the hull: List it on ebay - for $5 - someone might take it away and save you the trouble of cutting it up! Or even keep it! It could be used in a playground for kids to climb over, turned upside down as a shed/playhouse, maybe a college could use it for structural testing analysis. It could be sunk in the ground as a pond, filled with soil and planted with flowers/vegetables (think jumbo window box - maybe at the side of the road outside your property). Or the front 8 ft could be cut off and stood up to form a sheltered seat - like this http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3187/2845782678_53ab5c3efb_z.jpg?zz=1 If you get really desperate, maybe break it up with a machine (backhoe/bulldozer etc) rather than cutting might work On 26/04/2013 14:42, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Ok, I have a 23' sailboat that I need to get rid of. Here are my > options... > > 1-Sell it complete for maybe a $100-$200 (trailer included.)(Note, the > boat needs work.) > 2-Part it out and sell the components, then get rid of the hull. (I'm > estimating about $700-$1200 worth of parts) > 3-Donate it complete > > I was opting for #2. If I go that route, I have to cut up the boat. It's > a single skin (no insulation or foam) hull. I have a 2yd dumpster that I > could put pieces in each week. > > If I cut it, can I use a chainsaw without damaging the saw (I'm not that > concerned about the blade, I'll just use an old one.) > > If I wet the boat as I'm cutting, will this damage the saw? > > I've tried in the past to use a recip saw, but it took forever. What > about a carbide tip cir-saw or dia grinder? > > Any advice? > > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/neiljsherry@talktalk.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 13:21:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2DF429D4 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:21:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f48.google.com (mail-la0-f48.google.com [209.85.215.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4805D42884 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id eo20so3825128lab.7 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:16:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=a61SgxmWp7JGN1EvyC080klU3953id4kjSnIu5Hlans=; b=uwikHug0fgAaibukLxcg3Q6BM1aweZbSf/kGeOUZZXqj4pGWYiSIs6JnxOOSjWJGeg SktKXNcp/ND2GForXoJ9+316LBs+AliVY5oZlk+WnH4JuI+wsOiIBS2M30O/28LV/TKr ByOa3HbrcXG+v0ILrcesr4fg5f+kPmDHSRRCfvQiBcDtMjSogG0/HiRPvLHEeYST47NR u2NzEiJcSRhkg3e6XPAw7s6t/cJT3iCf3dwEvr4pioKfdrGMmM3CfC1namOSbqLGzqav VWf+RsjcYNYah+J0nHbuhfCFDqGXHbR/f4ovRHzwPdy48+iuud3HgSyg+ewKRaj2YgU6 Ch9g== uc8mr10175780lbb.9.1367003793075; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.43.35 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:16:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <517AC8B6.7080208@talktalk.net> <1367002150.96524.YahooMailRC@web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:16:32 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting up fiberglass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM, old dirtbeard wrote: > Strip it and leave the hull by the side of the road with a "free" sign. I think > it would disappear... Better yet, with a sign that says "ForSale: $100". Then somebody is sure to take it in the dark of night... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 13:36:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6400A429CD for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com (mail-la0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA2142884 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:30:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fp13so1646225lab.36 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:29:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=X3ILUs8Sjd0oYJLDtpFAo5jqP/X/dkZlC0oHW7nVh8I=; b=I5Kd9bohbguVd8OHdGJgqRiLjx56FrSPh7t1FrntTLDs0oPsoXRj9Vieg9sipf8e6g VWMN6BqYPXfk06884StGR/WyJIHxef12LDPcktj02jOVuOwkWRaJQ6zaedu9WPndl3ha m1TMLDOrALWFGAvSuwo/53yDk78GrD0WxE5qaMr2+oTfLUwgsrcr15hIlRqrWrrTK1Cy Zi10PpNRsJl2FySQAL6xTDpuxKxl1eEqVSkTsQ77j3fNJPtnxjKFUcB3wDdC70K5zxWv 43JUIaT+Lff/4sOudvvCanT9VDJ1I8SSMe0AXoYqBStx7gCDDaiocF+NzCSghILPL+3q KlQw== Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.176.232 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:29:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <517AC8B6.7080208@talktalk.net> <1367002150.96524.YahooMailRC@web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:29:13 -0700 From: Shannah Miller To: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting up fiberglass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At the risk of being overly pedantic, if you do decide to cut it up yourself, I would recommend using a respirator, and not just a mask. I used a mask with fiberglass, and still wound up with some lung damage from it. Shannah On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM, old dirtbeard > wrote: > > Strip it and leave the hull by the side of the road with a "free" sign. > I think > > it would disappear... > > Better yet, with a sign that says "ForSale: $100". Then somebody is > sure to take it in the dark of night... > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shannahquilts@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Apr 26 22:20:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355C2429DF for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:20:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB01442538 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:05:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2013 04:04:22 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8381B23AFE; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 04:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:04:28 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: eric@megageek.com References: Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting up fiberglass Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm afraid I'm not going to be much help, but I do have a story. Some time ago, probably around 25 or so years ago, my youngest brother dragged an old sailboat (18 feet or so) and trailer out to my dad's acreage on the outskirts of League City, Tx, about 20 miles south of Houston. I understand he bought it for the trailer, and had grandiose ideas of selling the boat (if I know my brother). The boat never did sell, and my dad kept bugging him to get rid of it. One day he showed up with a can of gas. He borrowed my dad's chain saw and cut the boat up into pieces, and then set fire to them in the pasture (my brother tends to be somewhat ......impulsive). I understand it was a relatively large and smoky fire. In due course a representative from the local fire department stopped by, and his only comment was "most people wait until after dark to do things like that", and then left. My brother is still alive, although still impulsive and (maybe a little more than) somewhat nuts. I have no information on the fate of the chainsaw. On 4/26/2013 6:42 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Ok, I have a 23' sailboat that I need to get rid of. Here are my > options... > > 1-Sell it complete for maybe a $100-$200 (trailer included.)(Note, the > boat needs work.) > 2-Part it out and sell the components, then get rid of the hull. (I'm > estimating about $700-$1200 worth of parts) > 3-Donate it complete > > I was opting for #2. If I go that route, I have to cut up the boat. It's > a single skin (no insulation or foam) hull. I have a 2yd dumpster that I > could put pieces in each week. > > If I cut it, can I use a chainsaw without damaging the saw (I'm not that > concerned about the blade, I'll just use an old one.) > > If I wet the boat as I'm cutting, will this damage the saw? > > I've tried in the past to use a recip saw, but it took forever. What > about a carbide tip cir-saw or dia grinder? > > Any advice? > > > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 00:07:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766B4429DB for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 00:07:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0004429D0 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 00:07:48 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=wcXk-mWnGQUA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Ct59SNfj6GoA:10 a=f2tPu-1AAMgqKZ1RvhwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=e6xfR8aZ2CXGTZo5uGwA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=MCh5luFQvX7UHAjP:21 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55005] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F8/C3-25887-0EA6B715; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 06:06:24 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop Talk'" Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:06:32 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5DDV3R1/I4mCchTtK3mAFmp8ToDg== Subject: [Shop-talk] Anyone using a salt chlorine generator? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm replacing a bunch of swimming pool equipment, and several people are trying to convince me to use an automatic salt chlorinator. In the past, I've used an "automatic" chlorinator that is nothing but a tank for chlorine tablets, that the pump slowly forces water through. What comes out is very concentrated and corrodes everything in sight ... without it I probably wouldn't be spending kilobucks now. Just looking for some feedback from "the man who owns one". Oh yeah, once the pool is happy again, I can get back to working in the shop! Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 04:13:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5262D42881 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 04:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail239c25-1785.carrierzone.com (mail239c25-1785.carrierzone.com [64.29.147.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878644284E for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 04:13:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from plausa.com (plaseram-gw.customer.alter.net [63.66.38.238] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail239c25-1785.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3RAC9KZ031136; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 10:12:10 GMT Received: from 10.10.0.11 by plausa.com with SMTP; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 06:13:03 -0400 Received: from MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.COM ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2]) by MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.com ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2%10]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 06:13:02 -0400 From: Ron Olds To: Randall , "'Shop Talk'" Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Anyone using a salt chlorine generator? Thread-Index: Ac5DDV3R1/I4mCchTtK3mAFmp8ToDgAISzxQ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 10:13:01 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.10.0.175] a=-rJ6kX5rm88A:10 a=wMt8SzkRCCgA:10 a=aWpDN6JOaUgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=pSk3U5zQ5k+FXcUof0lIzw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=4QKFqgILAAAA:8 a=S36H0sFhKYPmr0oXYroA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=fm6Sv6J__GwA:10 a=v2V8PyU7F8UA:10 a=kB584znziBIA:10 a=zee8tk4_CSIA:10 a=zhMRcyEhnvUA:10 a=0mUpw9oFRS8A:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=jHqhL58HGh8A:10 a=KSnc2e6FNmpw3fr2:21 a=SfHYzTaX-XKCYZgO:21 a=pSk3U5zQ5k+FXcUof0lIzw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone using a salt chlorine generator? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Randall, I have a salt generator and would highly recommend it. To maintain it you simply add salt to the pool. It is much simpler and easier than dealing with chlorine tablets. It also seems to be much more stable and you don't get that chlorine smell from the water. I used chlorine tablets on my old pool and would never have that type system again. You will be able to spend less time worrying and working on the pool and more time in the shop which is what it really is about anyway. Ronald Olds Sales Manager Plasser American Corporation PO Box 5464 2001 Myers Road Chesapeake, VA 23324-0464 Phone (757) 543-3526 Cell (630) 240-0818 Fax (757) 494-7186 The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, dissemination or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies of the original transmittal. -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 2:07 AM To: 'Shop Talk' Subject: [Shop-talk] Anyone using a salt chlorine generator? I'm replacing a bunch of swimming pool equipment, and several people are trying to convince me to use an automatic salt chlorinator. In the past, I've used an "automatic" chlorinator that is nothing but a tank for chlorine tablets, that the pump slowly forces water through. What comes out is very concentrated and corrodes everything in sight ... without it I probably wouldn't be spending kilobucks now. Just looking for some feedback from "the man who owns one". Oh yeah, once the pool is happy again, I can get back to working in the shop! Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rolds@plausa.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 05:56:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE964284E for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 05:56:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4EF40E49 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 05:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2013 11:50:24 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.49] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2013 11:50:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2013 11:50:24 -0000 s=s1024; t=1367063424; bh=RA4FRdOovIwJIc8KT7raCfuuaH15lrJRoTwmXUbRzjI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yfgv5kYoAaWyl7fyXs/6RHnHWOR5AzFg/9p6+hD3x7bMaDIR6NYxYJizE5hxn/LzJZXIs8mK2AdLbU6kibQvyGdmPTA6glmtJU65lPI8NWlK7S57TVUzfUbcHG2uT4BptOY9KehUqCTIyx7nPVxgQGvHF+Vk+Pwk+FfgYS3zN8s= sI2YjCwhLkgS2CjiViBfFL.XgICduyd.ExppY.F1eK2nsHcV0c6Rs.37Ebq. D_vgIVH0mohL5EXgjrXxPLFShBW9gL2fl82mu6Rv2bT2gNitKXH9u_zoCl5j N41GBT1sVlBWl1ku4dA_yTBs1uER2vj6tIu440pUOjm3cxu9F4FeK.X8FDGQ UcDJDlCEYerOGXwUhbKKJY9MEjKqpI2LaH2Wzu2od_RFxP.Kr6JMDh5IMhVc tJVSL9A6AbKBhz0NRC01w1otPkkBpVw9aW_OcfQ7fdcjiByYGuNK2CcOV0.m FWF9VhGndQ9a9NyPTVxrM5S_qCPBQiQvq0cxhrc72aTXI8VlMtjA_iA1Eo2w L1.Fn2Og1NH.n1WVzM9IGCkP4MrZl3G.dmzAzbZpEVxig login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2013 04:50:24 -0700 PDT From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 06:52:12 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] searching for Yazoo parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys My reliable source for Yazoo mower parts doesn't have what I need... Mower is a Yazoo SV-22-b 22" big wheel mower from the late 70s - early 80s. I've used my last spare part off my parts mower and need a 'friction hub housing' to get it moving again.... does ANYONE know of a parts source on these old decks... old lawnmower shops, graveyards, parts houses that might have this discontined part ?? I hate to see this old warhorse die.. I can email pics if needed thanks John Many people are alive only because it's illegal to shoot them. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Apr 27 06:30:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C4742873 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 06:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 01BBD40E49 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 06:30:26 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1367065740; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=MHRuBEeyBHJk47n/Wa1dVllaleEWFm4A5EXcp8wGChZwSMFzX95oTueFroiJ3KgM5 WUlg/S8nDPf0TP9J/29l80ZcQZh8jDHXyw3o8bTfCPMMiq+Zkmn2pc2OiGPAkYapAD /cHPf+TM+r/i1jPfRglVvtjEP9KjdLqK8nuryGrU= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail08.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.148]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJZZTEMA462N62 for (sender ); Sat, 27 Apr 2013 05:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail08.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:27:47 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:27:47 GMT Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Anyone using a salt chlorine generator? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net +1 for the "pro" salt water pools...I have had ours 7 years and other than adding salt and occasionally cleaning the cell, not a single problem. The only downside I have heard is the cost of replacement - one neighbor had a lightening strike take out his controller.Another had to buy a new generating cell after a surprisingly short period - I suspect he neglected basic management/maintenanceof the device. I think the technology is proven and cost effective - I know it is easy to use!This and an automatic cleaner ( I have a Polaris 280) make having a pool a snap. Matt in Georgia ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Ron Olds I have a salt generator and would highly recommend it. -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 2:07 AM To: 'Shop Talk' Subject: [Shop-talk] Anyone using a salt chlorine generator? Just looking for some feedback from "the man who owns one". _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 13:32:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7054F403E4 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 13:32:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E492403E4 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 13:25:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130428192342.OWVY10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:23:42 -0400 Received: from wt05 ([209.225.8.45]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id VXPi1l00U0yHwtd05XPiyq; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:23:42 -0400 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=DldwEvoXwlzCWmwBadsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=lJrDX1dtemBxnww2XMkA:9 a=7Y4ElMxMAYrv2VSX:21 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:23:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] POR15 WTF??!?!?!?! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I just opened a previously opened can of POR15. I had plastic under the lid so the can came open easily. Last time I opened this can was well over a year ago. Once through the two different skins formed inside, I stuck the stir stick in, stirred a couple circles and the stuff started to expand like a soda that had been shook up (but thankfully not as fast!). It easily doubled its volume before it calmed down. Now it just looks slightly carbonated. Anyone seen this before? Think I can still use it and trust it to be as bullet proof as usual? Or am I out almost a pint of this expensive stuff? Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 17:01:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF73403FD for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:01:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03CD403DB for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:01:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130428230002.RXRM10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:00:02 -0400 Received: from wt05 ([209.225.8.45]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id Vb021l00c0yHwtd05b02cV; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:00:02 -0400 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:17 a=NsTC7Sr0l8AA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=-LvrqH0Q8X8A:10 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=vEIJqSvm2l-bSJ3Gae0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=fdyy88SJogWfS3oySQQA:9 a=s3Abu0sgXL5ugxaj:21 a=Z4TQKS4b1FWJCyODdTdfPg==:117 Received: from [24.196.150.253] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:00:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] incorrect AN fitting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I startrd making fuel lines today and have run into what looks to be an incorrect fitting for stainless steel braided lines. The bottom one is a standard 6AN fitting and looks different than the banjo bolt on top. http://www.flickr.com/photos/82293958@N06/8690747806/ Does the banjo bolt fitting look like it will work or not? Because the threads are so different, I cannot see how but have not done this before.... Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Apr 28 22:22:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316F9403F1 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02793403E8 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:19:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383F7A07B4 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:20:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:20:40 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17.1 To: Shop Talk References: <144c8939.739023.13e52dfdc4e.Webtop.45@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] incorrect AN fitting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If the red nut threads on it should work. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 19:43:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEB840521 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2404042A for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:39:01 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 21:22:38 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 04/29/2013 21:22:40, Serialize complete at 04/29/2013 21:22:40 Subject: [Shop-talk] Transferring trailers across states. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OK, I've got a quick question. I'm in NJ and I have a trailer for sailboat that a guy in NC wants to buy. NJ only requires a "bill of Sale" for trailer registration, but he says that NC requires a title. Any idea how to go about this? I'm trying to sell a project sailboat and he seems interested. BTW, here is a shameless link to the ebay listing of the project sailboat in case anyone else wants to increase their time required in the shop (obshop content!) 8>) > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/79-23-Aquarius-Sailboat-with-dual-axle-trailer-documents-and-clean-titles-/271198705272?_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&forcev4exp=true < It's old, ugly, rough, and dirty... But then again, so am I. 8>0 Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 20:44:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA5E4052F for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AB140425 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MM10000BRCR36D0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:37:56 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Transferring trailers across states. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I would say he should go to this site: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/vehicle/title/vehicles/ and scroll down to the "trailers" section, where it says: "Trailers are registered the same way as a car. Visit the Titles Section for the steps involved in registering a vehicle. Individuals coming from a state that does not title and register trailers would need to contact us." They have a link, phone number and email info there. I don't think this is a situation they haven't dealt with before. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 09:22 PM 4/29/2013, eric@megageek.com wrote: >OK, I've got a quick question. I'm in NJ and I have a trailer for >sailboat that a guy in NC wants to buy. > >NJ only requires a "bill of Sale" for trailer registration, but he says >that NC requires a title. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 22:02:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAE040405 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail960c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail960c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58DA403E4 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 21:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-27-8.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.27.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail960c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r3U3lfEX026755; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:47:43 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: , References: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:47:25 -0400 a=PbegmIzJZiEA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:17 a=iEZWaKCLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=TKTm5Lch43J2OKC9aC4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=fN2J7l6Gh3oA:10 a=S2wpYzp2RsyRkoRNwqcm1Q==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Transferring trailers across states. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net When we moved from MA to NC in 2000 I had a homemade car trailer. IIRC, I didn't have a MA title but I did have MA registration. NC issued me a VIN that I had to stamp onto the tongue of the trailer then take it to a DMV office so a State Trooper could inspect the VIN (I was issued a temporary registration & tag - aka license plate - for that purpose). Once thusly inspected I was issued a NC title & registration. Other than having to write a check to the NC DMV it was fairly painless. It seemed like they'd done it all before. Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:22 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Transferring trailers across states. > OK, I've got a quick question. I'm in NJ and I have a trailer for > sailboat that a guy in NC wants to buy. > > NJ only requires a "bill of Sale" for trailer registration, but he says > that NC requires a title. > > Any idea how to go about this? I'm trying to sell a project sailboat and > he seems interested. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 22:32:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68B640425 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7D540405 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:05:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id W3qe1l0021vN32cA743cnD; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 04:03:36 +0000 Received: from SusieandMarkPC ([76.21.64.167]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id W43b1l00d3cWj0U8i43bz5; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 04:03:36 +0000 From: "Mark Miller" To: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 21:03:17 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac5FV6UOfeiKvkD+Tpm1lYVA5/fbgA== s=q20121106; t=1367294616; bh=ySMHFpRb+nGJ62Nz6H2u3PoO4k9m/0OBbV5kwDn14mk=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cw+BEDio0BDc9pxj0vFQeLlbr0L+itU+F3eXT+28Bg8vxIibZ1wzubCnk668PGXpq Y4fRHI0Zhu0u+GBz9sQKWVtFBAiEtUXMqZrBCH6RTj0UE3ocBqFXTsalC+tRrMzvcH 7qV5c2NB0LrlKmMW9cpuHumI23Y9IgjvIQXTDyRZNNWuSuf5jOM9mET0uiX7DZyRDg H1L4ii/zdTXf6T7EikVsrhaSDoOYH85t/eViF+rgSXWn+BOsypMyWJjJZcYspNcU7l QSNGa2BX0sWGiDbLp8ZiyMX+SDWovWpi/4ldDoH7Aqj0laPt2FdnkCjDsAcdPCzPDa vCoWKihAcnrHg== Subject: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ok. So my Echo string trimmer was acting up. Seemed like a fuel problem; it would start but not run well, stall out, and needed the throttle and choke played with to keep it going. So I bought fresh gas and went to get a carb rebuild kit for it. The guy also recommended a new fuel filter so I got that as well. Put in fresh gas (the old was probably only 2 months or so but figured it couldn't hurt....) and the filter, gave it a shot and no change. OK, it needs a rebuild. I got too busy so I put it off. Then my wife let me know that I would be feeding the mini-donks and horse if she couldn't get to the shed through the weeds and so to be sure it got done I bought a cheesy little electric B&D string trimmer and (here's the really bad part): it was great. No futzing, weighed way less than the gas trimmer, less buzzy, didn't stink, the string feed is totally automatic and actually worked (no more need to cut pieces and change it all the damn time. Oh yeah, and it starts without having to think about it. But But But I have turned my back on a tool with an engine in place of one with a dinky little electric motor and a cord. Convince me I need to fix the Echo and use a real tool. Help, Mark Miller _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Apr 29 22:33:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAFA40568 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:33:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5EC403E4 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id v5so150446lbc.18 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 21:08:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LcTnkeOikLXcKL6RuzlDB8gJr/TmJWLr1g003Vx9QII=; b=GPV/Z+eMKlTE8Rp1epkHr4fHG9LxTMEnTErO3fHs0aF/UWBQe2ez6NUeU1rQo6vOm3 CiD6Ewa8QGFWbY1De5DrtKYZdud5CKpL/Bjity6299RvS7BiAqYnL5IHwjWrHkdAC/4O RjxRRVJ9fka7RZn9CXwr/epkWMHsL1q5e43xgehHaLa9FvVJDoK+Y4mzL/Za6PDLYRKL MpXmopFyxXwA0ba48YIo02WI3DtnDcG5hhqvpRUCnt2CXTlroF4SOMTVMnDKGeYlVPrg FtrtLnBYi/K7WTLZ2wCLvYwA++G+EdQcrD80nJ8z2WiA6QFQW/qKSBP2ODG39XM/4P18 5Cig== dz3mr842491lbc.77.1367294937922; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 21:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.144.132 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 21:08:57 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 00:08:57 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Transferring trailers across states. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:22 PM, wrote: > NJ only requires a "bill of Sale" for trailer registration, but he says > that NC requires a title. Others have answered the question, but let me add this anecdote...I sold a VW pickup truck from Georgia to Texas. Georgia only required a bill of sale to transfer ownership of a vehicle that old (1967), but Texas required a title (which I didn't have, and couldn't replace). The buyer and I did a little research, and found that if it was currently registered and had a notarized bill of sale, that was enough to begin the titling process in Texas. So I sold it to my wife for $1, insured it for three days for $10, and registered it for $20. Sent the paperwork to the buyer and he got it done with little trouble. Like the other replies said, they've done this before. You might have to be persistent in finding someone familiar with the process, but it can be done. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 01:20:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1294043F for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 01:20:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp003.apm-internet.net (smtp003.apm-internet.net [85.119.248.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A48340412 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 01:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 76387 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2013 07:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.105?) (81.151.163.134) by smtp003.apm-internet.net with SMTP; 30 Apr 2013 07:14:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 08:14:54 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: markmiller@threeboysfarm.com References: Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mark Miller wrote: > But But I have turned my back on a tool with an engine in place of one > with a dinky little electric motor and a cord. Convince me I need to fix > the Echo and use a real tool. > > No, you did the right thing. Firstly, you're building up spousal credits to be redeemed against some situation lurking unseen in the future. Secondly life is too short to spend time wrestling with that cubic inch of frustration that is the Walbro carburettor. Time that could be spent balancing twin SUs or setting up a threadcutting lathe, something that needs your native skill and cunning. Seriously though I found an electric chainsaw sitting in the back of the barn the other day, cleaned it up and put it to work. Now I use it in preference to the 2 stroke Stihl for small jobs if there's a power supply handy. There's a lot to be said for a machine that starts and stops when you want it and doesn't leave you working in a fug of exhaust fumes. Nick Brearley Two Echo strimmers waiting to be fixed in the corner of the shop. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 01:38:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2882C40548 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 01:38:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp003.apm-internet.net (smtp003.apm-internet.net [85.119.248.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0C0403BA for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 01:25:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 80568 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2013 07:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.105?) (81.151.163.134) by smtp003.apm-internet.net with SMTP; 30 Apr 2013 07:24:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 08:23:59 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: markmiller@threeboysfarm.com References: Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong And another thing. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mark Miller wrote: > Convince me I need to fix > the Echo and use a real tool. > If you really can't resist, take it to someone with an ultrasonic cleaner. It'll be some of the best dollars you'll ever spend. Nick B _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 12:05:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CC040E37 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1B94054A for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:57:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20130430175604.DHGD6169.mta11.charter.net@imp11> for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:56:04 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id WHw41l00h1F7hH505Hw4FP; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:56:04 -0400 a=NrW5UhCsb7nn2utAaUfzJA==:17 a=SPAKA3mDuA0A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=IaEUv0kOzL4A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=kRT0ohOsLEAA:10 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=NbHkmpjdEk_scsPIyEgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=5YXPxgDbLw9fmmG0iTkA:9 a=JyZxWRS1TgjJLy8r:21 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.12] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:56:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:56:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] incorrect AN fitting? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It looks like the banjo bolt fitting is going to turn out to be for a bigger ID hose....more mis-picked parts on this invoice....bloody hell. On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Tim wrote: I startrd making fuel lines today and have run into what looks to be an incorrect fitting for stainless steel braided lines. The bottom one is a standard 6AN fitting and looks different than the banjo bolt on top. http://www.flickr.com/photos/82293958@N06/8690747806/ Does the banjo bolt fitting look like it will work or not? Because the threads are so different, I cannot see how but have not done this before.... Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 13:19:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7881C40E02 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:19:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a79.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B674056D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:11:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a79.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a79.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120E17D4078; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:09:39 -0700 (PDT) message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:to:cc :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= groupwbench.org; bh=JyECuiBopxfwDqP+huO5lnRSEz0=; b=CDYLyibfHreX gQcXvxeqPlpey64usCM6/9Jwnyw90Pzrql/6XXlNsiI/FWm1oeKmUWi+6T9qZ5VP 1yvjACbdS36m7Y6TNryguQ8JvYjfy00IR5XS7d/00ethpaw/oa3IKdvP8R3jBqhU X004dlGdrvb6BUr3lUkyVDLLJmCl/Tg= Received: from webmail.groupwbench.org (caiajhbihbdd.dreamhost.com [208.97.187.133]) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a79.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 96A0E7D4075; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 216.251.225.55 (proxying for 216.251.225.55) (SquirrelMail authenticated user jamesf@groupwbench.org) by webmail.groupwbench.org with HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:10:06 -0400 References: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:10:06 -0400 From: "Jim Franklin" To: eric@megageek.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Transferring trailers across states. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > OK, I've got a quick question. I'm in NJ and I have a trailer for > sailboat that a guy in NC wants to buy. > > NJ only requires a "bill of Sale" for trailer registration, but he says > that NC requires a title. The only way I found to sell my untitled MA trailer to my CO needs-title-and-BOS friend was to let her drive it there with my plates. Since the towing vehicle is primarily responsible for insurance, this was mostly a non-issue. jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 13:36:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F4940E38 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CEA4056D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:33:31 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=aqVVUib3_IUA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=0tB1Z9CIBddeDZK8xmQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:48976] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id AC/F5-16585-72C10815; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:31:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:31:51 +0000 From: Randall To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Transferring trailers across states. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Like the other replies said, they've done this before. You might have > to be persistent in finding someone familiar with the process, but it > can be done. Sometimes you have to be very persistent. Not the same problem, but when I wanted to register my 56 Triumph TR3 using plates that had been assigned to it in 1963; I wound up having to print out the relevant section of the vehicle code and show it to the clerk and her supervisor at the DMV. Even then they refused to approve my application on the spot, but they did agree to send it to state headquarters in Sacramento, who approved it a few weeks later. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 13:52:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213DD40E50 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C5B4053D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=q5A9zOrCaxgA:10 a=6ZZ0RWhvAAAA:8 a=z0vz0sCTvuQIo9ydnt4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=sUZ612RXOBcA:10 a=Bc9c7qoAuKlRg6BgnzgyhA==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.92] ([10.127.132.92:49284] helo=cdptpa-web01-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id C3/2E-16585-F7F10815; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:46:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:46:07 +0000 From: Randall To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Mark Miller wrote: > But But But I have turned my back on a tool with an engine in place of one > with a dinky little electric motor and a cord. Convince me I need to fix > the Echo and use a real tool. Sorry, Mark. I'm as big a fan of Our Lady of Internal Combustion as anyone, but if electric meets your needs better, I'd say go for it. My experience was that the electric trimmer just didn't have what it takes to slash through weeds too thick to walk through (or even see over), so I rebuilt the carb on my old Homelite without a rebuild kit (gaskets cut from construction paper, etc.). But if it had done the job (and I didn't have to drag a cord up a nearly vertical hill), I would have kept using the little electric. It was still handy for trimming around the flower beds and so on. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Apr 30 20:13:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FC940E21 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D5C40397 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 01 May 2013 02:02:22 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-152-88.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.152.88]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 685A423AEA; Wed, 1 May 2013 02:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:02:22 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 To: Randall References: <20130430194608.DBRNR.136674.root@cdptpa-web01-z01> Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] I feel . . . wrong Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I keep my big old bicycle handled Stihl around for murdering brush and high weeks (and the occasional banana slug) but after getting two light duty gas string trimmers that my wife couldn't start, I got her a plug-in Stihl that she's thrilled with. This was after the old yellow single line Weed Eater she inherited from her dad finally bit the dust. Now if she would just put the damn extension cord away.... On 4/30/2013 12:46 PM, Randall wrote: > ---- Mark Miller wrote: > >> But But But I have turned my back on a tool with an engine in place of one >> with a dinky little electric motor and a cord. Convince me I need to fix >> the Echo and use a real tool. > Sorry, Mark. I'm as big a fan of Our Lady of Internal Combustion as anyone, but if electric meets your needs better, I'd say go for it. > > My experience was that the electric trimmer just didn't have what it takes to slash through weeds too thick to walk through (or even see over), so I rebuilt the carb on my old Homelite without a rebuild kit (gaskets cut from construction paper, etc.). But if it had done the job (and I didn't have to drag a cord up a nearly vertical hill), I would have kept using the little electric. It was still handy for trimming around the flower beds and so on. > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive