From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 14:15:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0062D039A for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:15:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29932D01A6 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:15:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W61 ([65.55.34.73]) by col0-omc2-s9.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:18:17 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 15:18:17 -0500 FILETIME=[EC6B3C40:01CD887E] Subject: [Shop-talk] Repairing Wrought Iron Railing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My wife and I are about to buy a home that we will eventually retire to. The plan it to rent it out until that time, which is a factor in the question I am about to ask. The house (like me, built in the early 50's) has wrought iron railing around the front entry way and steps that go to a side door. It all needs to be repainted, but one of the vertical supports on the side steps has cracked about an inch above the base. It just appears to be square tube, but it was all cast in place, meaning the tube is embedded in the concrete. I will eventually want to replace all of it with something more attractive, but for now I just want it to be safe and not something that will lead to a lawsuit from a renter. I am thinking that I could wire brush the paint away from around the crack, clean off any rust and then weld the crack up. To be absolutely safe, I would also weld some angle iron on the two corners by the crack, repaint the whole railing and forget about it until after retirement. For what its worth, I don't want to lug shielding gas with me, so I was planning on just using flux core wire in my welder. It can be windy near the house, so that might be a good idea anyway. At least that is my plan, but I have never worked on wrought iron railing before. I know I can't weld the decorative parts of the railing, but does anyone see any problems with this plan? Anything special I should consider before tackling it? As always, thanks! Jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 15:01:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA5F2D036D for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 15:01:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921202D01FA for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 15:00:44 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OW2vWf67IORQKdaZygChJxoz6rQy70BYaKZk37HGgz/bNdaOaXroRfwhMuGWRAk9; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.194.241.21] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1T7uqr-0000Qj-4q; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:03:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 14:03:00 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: Jim Stone References: Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Repairing Wrought Iron Railing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, Did it crack because of rust? If so, it might take a bit more effort to go back to solid metal. I have two suggestions I was looking at for myself. One is to see them fix a porch railing at http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/tv/ask-toh/video/0,,20555837,00.html If I recall correctly, they took the railing and cut off the damaged bottom. They then had new square sections with a steel rod inside. They used some sort of caulk/adhesive and attached the repair portion to the bottom of the rail. They used a hammer drill to remove the railing post from the cement. Finally, they put the railing back in place with new cement. Another option is to fabricate a foot plate on a segment of square tube and use some concrete screws/bolts to attach it to the step. I'll be doing one of the two with some of my iron railing that is rusted away at the base. I just have not picked which one. If there is no rust, you may be able to just weld it up, but I can't offer any tips there as I only welded once. It was 3/16" steel to make shock brackets for my TR6, and they have held up nicely, but it did take some time with the grinder to get pretty. Brian On 9/1/2012 1:18 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > My wife and I are about to buy a home that we will eventually retire to. The > plan it to rent it out until that time, which is a factor in the question I am > about to ask. The house (like me, built in the early 50's) has wrought iron > railing around the front entry way and steps that go to a side door. It all > needs to be repainted, but one of the vertical supports on the side steps has > cracked about an inch above the base. It just appears to be square tube, but > it was all cast in place, meaning the tube is embedded in the concrete. I > will eventually want to replace all of it with something more attractive, but > for now I just want it to be safe and not something that will lead to a > lawsuit from a renter. > > I am thinking that I could wire brush the paint away from around the crack, > clean off any rust and then weld the crack up. To be absolutely safe, I would > also weld some angle iron on the two corners by the crack, repaint the whole > railing and forget about it until after retirement. For what its worth, I > don't want to lug shielding gas with me, so I was planning on just using flux > core wire in my welder. It can be windy near the house, so that might be a > good idea anyway. > > At least that is my plan, but I have never worked on wrought iron railing > before. I know I can't weld the decorative parts of the railing, but does > anyone see any problems with this plan? Anything special I should consider > before tackling it? > > As always, thanks! > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 16:21:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD50F2D02C6 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 16:21:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.132]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EE5E42D01C2 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 16:21:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.104] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 22:24:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.69] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 22:24:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2012 22:24:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 86528 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2012 22:24:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; b=BJo8VFxkL6ucQQ+9b2sVMMLHV10Ce9ohI3N9L3EXEjBfB+LHAmArFYZs1+ob4RXDZZyaY/WOWvvxgDeMatgJEdChUKMfliWrJtyVWPu588AQJg2Siyfk2B4pQJOVi/KUPPXRZC15sqsbuIDCpwPoON+P4x6PfwDY4Gdyt3wsxyo= ; s=s1024; t=1346538244; bh=E92WlWy0+ECTyRm9ytQB38asHKlJJaQg9leTJGAvNHw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=yNCzdIC+YFwvO3p3Kvy7uupqYcA1WtlxDQJsRhpyDiSzBa0/7tuX+NfJ5aAis0lEPr+75ak5PxQbjidKHFzO0rgCKPVKJznRNdKBSwgLroYNp8IDKl0wRM8i6+EvOiRsCbeBz/v2EOJSsjK/Hypqxq87kDWYROHB46sysMwZ8/Q= 3nMbt24Y5T1yNF5KpxvaiqyE2L4H0IrwpTMdJkQdmAcjQPxwjvCXKfJI_hY_ gWTiUbkAg4.RzpFAbkth7y17b61BU2_1P92079Ap96AWp.PmeE.RnjzNhFur fg9N2ycvgm2Tc8OkKx2JsgbQzw.rQ1iHbIb9eFTlUq4c3tTQas4OF1MH2lNg B1p8c1GyN7bdczfbnWjUw604OIOMI8yutLNipxTE7l.FyzVcxOQr.66usYvp il0NS5R4yVCheXHPU_S2kbPuj4wGxQwb_lMiG88qs67g_SUrbWmfo6UL__2Q TQDoQvAFGd01XE6dyAvpz6CQd4ljudBn1XgGLapRa_CY3vSNZq7l3iXTShe0 sFNewmdTwqdRx3oo2iRqS71dcdTvLIBPYhFP2p4Db4U9rgr52RV1ygUckjs7 9rA-- Received: from Karl (kvacek@75.22.16.223 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Sep 2012 15:24:04 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 17:23:57 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2IkHL5WEFVnFJKTL2DPYn8PqtKNA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Repairing Wrought Iron Railing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just be aware, if you're welding right along the concrete, that when welding heat hits the concrete, moisture in the concrete will quickly heat into steam and explode pieces of the concrete out - right at you. If the concrete is already cracked, maybe you'd be better off to break it away for an inch or two at least. If the concrete is still good, perhaps inserting a solid piece of steel down into the part of the upright that's left in the concrete and up into the part above-grade would be safer than welding. If you want to go for it anyway, try to shield the concrete as well as possible, and preferably preheat the railing in that area to drive off as much moisture as possible before you start actually welding. And if the railing is the current-type thin and cheap stuff, maybe slipping a tube or solid into the upright and also welding would be helpful, since a plain butt weld into thin and rusted steel will be weak. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Jim Stone Subject: [Shop-talk] Repairing Wrought Iron Railing My wife and I are about to buy a home that we will eventually retire to. The plan it to rent it out until that time, which is a factor in the question I am about to ask. The house (like me, built in the early 50's) has wrought iron railing around the front entry way and steps that go to a side door. It all needs to be repainted, but one of the vertical supports on the side steps has cracked about an inch above the base. It just appears to be square tube, but it was all cast in place, meaning the tube is embedded in the concrete. I will eventually want to replace all of it with something more attractive, but for now I just want it to be safe and not something that will lead to a lawsuit from a renter. I am thinking that I could wire brush the paint away from around the crack, clean off any rust and then weld the crack up. To be absolutely safe, I would also weld some angle iron on the two corners by the crack, repaint the whole railing and forget about it until after retirement. For what its worth, I don't want to lug shielding gas with me, so I was planning on just using flux core wire in my welder. It can be windy near the house, so that might be a good idea anyway. At least that is my plan, but I have never worked on wrought iron railing before. I know I can't weld the decorative parts of the railing, but does anyone see any problems with this plan? Anything special I should consider before tackling it? As always, thanks! Jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 18:45:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6893C2D0208 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 18:45:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc4-s4.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc4-s4.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8B82D01C3 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 18:44:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W23 ([65.55.34.199]) by col0-omc4-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 1 Sep 2012 17:47:31 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 19:47:31 -0500 References: <000901cd8890$7b153cf0$713fb6d0$@ameritech.net> FILETIME=[89096200:01CD88A4] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Repairing Wrought Iron Railing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. The house is 1000 miles away, so I can't easily go take another look, but while the crack is rusty, I don't it cracked because of the rust. And, because I think it is close to 60 years old, I am going to assume it is thick enough to weld up. That, said, the This Old House way of doing it right is very good to know! I will go that route if my initial patch doesn't hold up. As for the concrete, that is a very important point, one I hadn't thought of. I will bring a gas torch with me to pre-heat the area, and a welding blanket to lay down around it, just for additional protection. The concrete is already cracked, but that is the second question I was going to ask. I will ask that one separately, so that the information will be easier for someone else to retrieve if they are ever looking. Thanks again! Exactly the advice I needed. > From: kvacek@ameritech.net > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 17:23:57 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Repairing Wrought Iron Railing > > Just be aware, if you're welding right along the concrete, that when welding > heat hits the concrete, moisture in the concrete will quickly heat into > steam and explode pieces of the concrete out - right at you. If the > concrete is already cracked, maybe you'd be better off to break it away for > an inch or two at least. If the concrete is still good, perhaps inserting a > solid piece of steel down into the part of the upright that's left in the > concrete and up into the part above-grade would be safer than welding. > > If you want to go for it anyway, try to shield the concrete as well as > possible, and preferably preheat the railing in that area to drive off as > much moisture as possible before you start actually welding. And if the > railing is the current-type thin and cheap stuff, maybe slipping a tube or > solid into the upright and also welding would be helpful, since a plain butt > weld into thin and rusted steel will be weak. > > Karl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Stone > Subject: [Shop-talk] Repairing Wrought Iron Railing > > My wife and I are about to buy a home that we will eventually retire to. > The plan it to rent it out until that time, which is a factor in the > question I am about to ask. The house (like me, built in the early 50's) > has wrought iron railing around the front entry way and steps that go to a > side door. It all needs to be repainted, but one of the vertical supports > on the side steps has cracked about an inch above the base. It just appears > to be square tube, but it was all cast in place, meaning the tube is > embedded in the concrete. I will eventually want to replace all of it with > something more attractive, but for now I just want it to be safe and not > something that will lead to a lawsuit from a renter. > > I am thinking that I could wire brush the paint away from around the crack, > clean off any rust and then weld the crack up. To be absolutely safe, I > would also weld some angle iron on the two corners by the crack, repaint the > whole railing and forget about it until after retirement. For what its > worth, I don't want to lug shielding gas with me, so I was planning on just > using flux core wire in my welder. It can be windy near the house, so that > might be a good idea anyway. > > At least that is my plan, but I have never worked on wrought iron railing > before. I know I can't weld the decorative parts of the railing, but does > anyone see any problems with this plan? Anything special I should consider > before tackling it? > > As always, thanks! > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 19:00:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD302D0286 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 19:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s12.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s12.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D552D0192 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 18:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W42 ([65.55.34.73]) by col0-omc2-s12.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 1 Sep 2012 18:02:02 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 20:02:02 -0500 FILETIME=[8FF5ED20:01CD88A6] Subject: [Shop-talk] Repairing a Concrete Step Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net So, besides the broken railing, the corner of the step by that railing is broken. (Which may explain the broken railing: someone may have put too much weight on it and broken both the railing and the step.) It is still attached to the rest of the step, but the crack goes all the way around (creating a kind of pyramid shape) and I assume a good hammer blow will knock it off. I also want to fix that after I am finished repairing the railing. I have never done concrete repair before, but it doesn't look too difficult. I do think I would need some way to make sure the patch stays attached to the rest of the step. I spent some time looking at the Quickrete products at Home Depot today and see they have several different bonding agents that are designed to help. I was also thinking about doing something like putting a couple of lag bolts into the base, perhaps with lead anchors, sizing them so they would be completely encased in the new concrete. Then build a wood form around the area and pour in new concrete. Would that work? Is there a better way to do it? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 20:48:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074F12C0CB0 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 20:48:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F85F2D0188 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 20:48:22 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=i7hr6FpYpOE5RTkHvEqPAQ4e9yJjL5dlaxSq+h8WNL0ZsQ1FAgWxU6GEB8EP4JzS; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.194.241.21] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1T80HH-0007sE-AW; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 22:51:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 19:50:44 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: Jim Stone References: Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Repairing a Concrete Step Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim - Home Depot and Quickrete have a series of videos on just that subject. See http://howto.homedepot.com/videos/watch/876670650001/How-to-Repair-Concrete-Steps-and-Edges-Using-Quikrete-Fast-Setting-Concrete-The-Home-Depot.html They also have a video on concrete resurfacing. Brian On 9/1/2012 6:02 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > So, besides the broken railing, the corner of the step by that railing is > broken. (Which may explain the broken railing: someone may have put too much > weight on it and broken both the railing and the step.) It is still attached > to the rest of the step, but the crack goes all the way around (creating a > kind of pyramid shape) and I assume a good hammer blow will knock it off. I > also want to fix that after I am finished repairing the railing. I have never > done concrete repair before, but it doesn't look too difficult. I do think I > would need some way to make sure the patch stays attached to the rest of the > step. I spent some time looking at the Quickrete products at Home Depot today > and see they have several different bonding agents that are designed to help. > I was also thinking about doing something like putting a couple of lag bolts > into the base, perhaps with lead anchors, sizing them so they would be > completely encased in the new concrete. Then build a wood form around the > area and pour in new concrete. > > Would that work? Is there a better way to do it? > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 1 22:07:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C202B2D01D9 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 22:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A382D0180 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2012 22:06:58 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 00:07:07 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/02/2012 00:01:56, Serialize complete at 09/02/2012 00:01:56 Subject: [Shop-talk] Charger sizing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, I found a new Vector Sport Spot light (Model vec1395) 3000000 candle power flashlight. It's a cheap model, so I'm not expecting much, but I don't have a charger for it. Does anyone know how to calculate what size charger I need? The Battery is a lead acid 6V6AH/20HR battery. (It's model number is CP0660) So, what size charger do I need. There is a replacement one listed on Amazon, but it's not for this exact model (its for a Vec139 and I'm not sure if that will work with this one.) Thanks in advance! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sun Sep 2 07:14:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF3A2D018E for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 07:14:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s14.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s14.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.88]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30FA2C6CD1 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 07:14:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W55 ([65.55.34.71]) by col0-omc2-s14.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 2 Sep 2012 06:17:25 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 08:17:25 -0500 References: , <5042C984.7070902@earthlink.net> FILETIME=[4B79B520:01CD890D] Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Repairing a Concrete Step Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Perfect! Exactly what I need and much easier than what I was thinking. Thanks Brian. > Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 19:50:44 -0700 > From: bk13@earthlink.net > To: jandkstone99@msn.com > CC: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Repairing a Concrete Step > > Jim - Home Depot and Quickrete have a series of videos on just that > subject. See > http://howto.homedepot.com/videos/watch/876670650001/How-to-Repair-Concrete-S teps-and-Edges-Using-Quikrete-Fast-Setting-Concrete-The-Home-Depot.html > > They also have a video on concrete resurfacing. > > Brian > > On 9/1/2012 6:02 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > > So, besides the broken railing, the corner of the step by that railing is > > broken. (Which may explain the broken railing: someone may have put too much > > weight on it and broken both the railing and the step.) It is still attached > > to the rest of the step, but the crack goes all the way around (creating a > > kind of pyramid shape) and I assume a good hammer blow will knock it off. I > > also want to fix that after I am finished repairing the railing. I have never > > done concrete repair before, but it doesn't look too difficult. I do think I > > would need some way to make sure the patch stays attached to the rest of the > > step. I spent some time looking at the Quickrete products at Home Depot today > > and see they have several different bonding agents that are designed to help. > > I was also thinking about doing something like putting a couple of lag bolts > > into the base, perhaps with lead anchors, sizing them so they would be > > completely encased in the new concrete. Then build a wood form around the > > area and pour in new concrete. > > > > Would that work? Is there a better way to do it? > > > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sun Sep 2 13:32:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80E82D087B for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 13:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DF82D079E for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 12:15:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so2754884wgb.20 for ; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 11:18:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rvpJMybnLmSn/mRCsbJHCpN8xgejbhBysynKFb82hag=; b=kArTrHDteYi8HRgtn/HJn5h/IpbCwYLtLKuKi+3zFThWRBwaiVQP3oJGpK3QuSy7TM xcBepVtMqvNmeagXaV49lVRPnjN+y3E+mBLp6fYcsCGP4EaknC3p3RpqZjSmaQu0uNyR oV3/abtPeAs/pFKptqsI/HeeS2ckfvNARQyws4RfMI/HJoWq5VT6QoYu4qM80V7qIxw4 HV1/QQtvZB2E0jzkqqJU+4PRklovqDAaGAJbFyKijKkBGWUoEoRiPmJPYfzutqzLEG8b JEsEnhjZo7+vwTQH0EwIjROkmUT8vuZGrh/5ZMMGU32aJ1sYbszlYHPD343oBOxgvtwq pMJA== Received: by 10.216.132.18 with SMTP id n18mr8656971wei.194.1346609890516; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 11:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.217.205 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 13:18:10 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] premade drawer box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Our kitchen cabinets have a drawer missing. There's a front for it, there's nothing blocking the space, and there's no reason not to have one. (paricularly since the opening is 24" wide, and the other drawers are all narrow.) I'd like to buy a box, install it , and attach the existing front to it. Anyone have suggestions on where to get such a thing? None of the local big box places do. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sun Sep 2 14:28:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372D82D0985 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 14:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm18-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D70352D07EC for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 12:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 18:29:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 18:29:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2012 18:29:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 62466 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2012 18:29:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; b=HCuJQxEsWrzXALg713lfoYqfizFfWpPrVx1eNu4a95Cd8eMr1WqS3xr93Bz2QvdqtFdnkvuHvNHwObb0PD3ND/Y+1Iepu7T89qhh/OPrrfh7hSd7h59OyVhSmdS7GwUk/DfQ2AG9UT08uU0ZlayEBvB+lQkiKOCyLYnEHhSCpJw= ; s=s1024; t=1346610551; bh=ZLmgODP/f+ufFqHe9rF5FCuJlCKFCxFpln0Y+nLW6ao=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=dEOLK91c+SarOxkUlzBT1gO0ETYNobGTYJNbkKMhX14ZeL/FowhiGnYticQXBB6P0K2H8tSdQXITMJoe+pmsWB0JWeJus50CFCco11XnwNfsF8t5ID42DPXl579N2eSseiiaVGag0+EUr9CPtO0634DQkTdwbcq71ySGCM6XHsc= RGpuMOCeTmlX_KKogsn8YfTgBI8JnANk2XqEnT2nlxS5KI302RdQqY6JWuTp QYUD3xG6puiL3acnH641LFwuI2RRk93Dn7z_JLiho777_o3KmZWWFx3PmgdD 5xnpp2OtDmtd2ZDt3KOMSoF8jvMs9NBhPupruMVU_GP8Xak4Jf8Az5kpO8M3 9la3uPM.fiQCCMgvDxzpT7jPkhvZKHD6vKM3czP5coW8aRzsCGvXowdndRnr DtM5lrwjBEITj0LyBCsHdNLit6CmdqTWEfRkVG.bHZvkQykLm9ZYQ74_W0.6 tLi1DGfUIxjzXBSiGkF0guvDvT5HJKcT1Gcf9vadN_4tDuBDLbMCYPoRKFDA _XN0VswkzJ.7cMuRX_tchK5fDtCspDJZodGK9rbGvq8tmx6RgQmQmQJ3CLP0 LttyTkgvjr9P_u3FaOMJc Received: from Karl (kvacek@75.22.16.223 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Sep 2012 11:29:10 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 13:29:09 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac2JN80BS/pWs3XWShSvjqNiKTL85g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Shop-talk] Fence cost Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not actually shop related, but Its Sunday on a holiday weekend and I need to finish this job. Nobodys available to get a local quote. Can anyone give me an estimated cost differential for micro-mesh chain link fence fabric over regular fabric? What I need to value has about > or 5/8 fabric  probably 11 gauge, vs the more typical 2, 9 gauge wire. Like in hand grenades and horse shoes, close is good enough  any guess is fine. This is nothing anyone is quoting as a job  Im just appraising a property for a tax protest, and I havent ever run into this stuff till now. I only need to be reasonable and not pull the value from the air. Im supposing its probably double the installed cost, with a higher material cost and about the same labor? Thanks! Karl _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sun Sep 2 15:14:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148AE2D05D8 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 15:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail967c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail967c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9A72D05CE for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 13:42:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail967c35.nsolutionszone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail967c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q82JimW2020998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 2 Sep 2012 19:44:48 GMT Received: (from webmail@localhost) by mail967c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.12.2/Submit) id q82Jimub020996; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 19:44:48 GMT Received: from 152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov (152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov [152.133.7.64]) by webmail2.centurytel.net (Webmail 4.0 V.V.I.) with HTTP for ; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 15:44:48 -0400 From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: "shop-talk" , "David Scheidt" Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 15:44:48 -0400 User-Agent: Webmail 4.0 a=vFMCQZgPscsA:10 a=SMk6CTNw4OoA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=GPr01A5e9VcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=QiQcBifw3rKpjI8epQikPQ==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=xeEbhXOsi-p7bxrxbr0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=WkljmVdYkabdwxfqvArNOQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] premade drawer box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Quoting David Scheidt : > Our kitchen cabinets have a drawer missing. Perfect excuse (if you need an excuse...) to buy a table saw, router, dovetal jig & make a drawer... Or look at the ads in Fine Woodworking magazine - I've seen ads for places that sell drawer parts. Or send me some dimensions and I'll send you the parts to assemble for a drawer box. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sun Sep 2 15:31:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DF02D091D for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 15:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A655C2D0902 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 13:46:50 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=csLL59QBfY/9pJT3Hq5txCaNbjtuFecXW4Oso+H/pZUwbQv1Obh4+xyMwNBYBYOj; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.194.241.21] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1T8G9v-0005SY-B4; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 15:48:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:48:13 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: David Scheidt References: Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] premade drawer box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net David - If you want someone to make them, a local cabinetry place can probably do it. If you can do basic woodworking, some prefinished drawer sides may make it easier to do yourself. As an example see http://www.amazon.com/Pre-Finished-Drawer-Side-CAPITOL-LUMBER/dp/B0027A5VOQ (just took a quick look for "drawer sides") Local plywood/lumber suppliers may stock them. The sides are all precut for height and the plywood bottom, so all you need to do is make some cuts, attach the corners, and cut a bottom. You will also need slides of course. Brian On 9/2/2012 11:18 AM, David Scheidt wrote: > Our kitchen cabinets have a drawer missing. There's a front for it, > there's nothing blocking the space, and there's no reason not to have > one. (paricularly since the opening is 24" wide, and the other > drawers are all narrow.) I'd like to buy a box, install it , and > attach the existing front to it. Anyone have suggestions on where to > get such a thing? None of the local big box places do. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sun Sep 2 15:35:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715B42D0A95 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 15:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187D12C0BBE for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 13:53:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([12.162.141.2]) by m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id uKwD1j00603JK1Y01KwHSG; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:56:18 -0700 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2012 14:56:06 -0500 From: Pat Horne Organization: Horne Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] premade drawer box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net David, If you have access to a miter saw, or are good with a circular saw, you can make your own drawer box from material that Rockler sells (http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=204&site=ROCKLER) All you need to do is make the sides, front and back of the drawer box using this product, then cut a bottom out of 1/4" plywood, glue and screw/nail it together and put guides on. Rockler also had the guides. When you make the box, the front and back should be lapped by the sides for strength. Most side-mounted guides require 1/4" clearance to the opening on each side of the box (1/2" narrower than the opening). If you need more information, please ask me. Peace, Pat. Thusly spake David Scheidt, On 9/2/2012 1:18 PM: > Our kitchen cabinets have a drawer missing. There's a front for it, > there's nothing blocking the space, and there's no reason not to have > one. (paricularly since the opening is 24" wide, and the other > drawers are all narrow.) I'd like to buy a box, install it , and > attach the existing front to it. Anyone have suggestions on where to > get such a thing? None of the local big box places do. > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sun Sep 2 20:18:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A95D2D066D for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 20:18:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8D12C0B8E for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 19:55:43 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=SMk6CTNw4OoA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=P3MuCThj_hkA:10 a=6OM9UHr-KS0A:10 a=9iJEXc-0XG8A:10 a=aZCRjs43M0YA:10 a=b9uuK2c849EA:10 a=6MLTsBQSgpMA:10 a=vbwBmGMnX_oA:10 a=XXMwYsRVBM0A:10 a=ckwzGmrgXAgA:10 a=6gXdQV1FVFQA:10 a=gGndD8OfB2-mA9a6_60A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E3/37-17657-6BE04405; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 01:58:14 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <5043B9D6.3010206@hornesystemstx.com> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 18:58:21 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2JU2taUyJ0TTDGQyGCsLDl4RpxMgAIutiA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] premade drawer box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > If you have access to a miter saw, or are good with a > circular saw, you > can make your own drawer box from material that Rockler sells Or make your own from clear hardwood, available at the big box place. Last time I borrowed time on a friend's table saw to cut the dado (multiple passes with a standard blade since neither of us had a dado blade), but you could make do with a circular saw and some guide boards clamped to the board you are working on. I've also done it with a router. For a drawer that wide, you might also want a stiffening rib or two across the bottom.\ -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sun Sep 2 21:37:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F912D062A for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 21:37:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2BF2D04BA for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 20:28:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iagk10 with SMTP id k10so9284848iag.14 for ; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 19:30:58 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=7ZnO/2VuCTA5/ANEaRlWU6ztIa0HJZ6c3T5yYhaTRxY=; b=V1pmSbEbZpNhHu2uweo5QmXZY0tT00Xb8aXeRsZIuJoIxvnHoXLIgtlIhqNwKBQVGF 2TJWPE0H0l9WlwlJNnmMWtH77tCy8aPWBnzZOeBuBW+DsmRXPBJrUkbbLi9+vBhcOWY9 YISqpnRnepxJZYCJ+/KIVDaukeWNyKDSuB014BxXy5T5f4xDVVydLOMWW6/ejnCYwXzv Hgx8bGt4ewgbY6x3/PLFA2T69i+NmSUrICPf8NqboRefZDxgeS4ou5MquWYchut5paO3 rmXLbKBPSEudgSNYqHQNST33VbiD+d8ump2nnatgI9aArsVwEWiBu/4TwLBc5gTEbcEt wkhQ== Received: by 10.50.220.161 with SMTP id px1mr9497700igc.27.1346639458300; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 19:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.11.119] (50-77-134-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.77.134.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id df1sm16760716igc.10.2012.09.02.19.30.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 02 Sep 2012 19:30:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <5043B9D6.3010206@hornesystemstx.com> From: David Scheidt Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 21:30:55 -0500 To: "pat@hornesystemstx.com" Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] premade drawer box Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sep 2, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > David, > > If you have access to a miter saw, or are good with a circular saw, you can make your own drawer box from material that Rockler sells I know how to make a drawer. Ive made a bunch. I have no interest in doing that. I know, from experience, that a local cabinet maker is going to br not interested, quote a ridiculously high price, or farm it out. Drawer boxes are something that is widely outsourced, as it is tooling intensive, and no one cares about them. If youve got the cnc equipment, and make them all day, you can sell them for what a job shop has in materials. I was hoping someone had dealt with someone who was willing to deal with a customer who only needs one. > (http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=204&site=ROCKLER) All you need to do is make the sides, front and back of the drawer box using this product, then cut a bottom out of 1/4" plywood, glue and screw/nail it together and put guides on. Rockler also had the guides. > > When you make the box, the front and back should be lapped by the sides for strength. Most side-mounted guides require 1/4" clearance to the opening on each side of the box (1/2" narrower than the opening). > > If you need more information, please ask me. > > Peace, > Pat. > > > Thusly spake David Scheidt, On 9/2/2012 1:18 PM: >> Our kitchen cabinets have a drawer missing. There's a front for it, >> there's nothing blocking the space, and there's no reason not to have >> one. (paricularly since the opening is 24" wide, and the other >> drawers are all narrow.) I'd like to buy a box, install it , and >> attach the existing front to it. Anyone have suggestions on where to >> get such a thing? None of the local big box places do. >> > > -- > Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems > (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 > Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 > www.hornesystemstx.com > -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 3 12:38:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998412D0689 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 12:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AF72D0682 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 11:12:45 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=x4l5f-Kw1nIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=88jU2d8S-uwA:10 a=6OM9UHr-KS0A:10 a=9iJEXc-0XG8A:10 a=4_sD22CgzAoA:10 a=KhY-LtTJV94A:10 a=qVRVSEdGoPkA:10 a=6MLTsBQSgpMA:10 a=vbwBmGMnX_oA:10 a=XXMwYsRVBM0A:10 a=ckwzGmrgXAgA:10 a=UIIIv3mxkc8A:10 a=2rdi3Pa6jLUA:10 a=ihxzRMwlAAAA:20 a=XDGUziUNWPdkfNlkcFYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=YwkGlb8mat0A:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 43/B4-28917-AA5E4405; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 17:15:23 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 10:15:30 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2IwNo6307RVfb6RSyCjnJg/aAaMgBNmT2A Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Charger sizing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > So, what size charger do I need. Almost any 'smart' charger designed for a 6v SLA battery should be OK. Here's one: http://goo.gl/rqQIl > There is a replacement one > listed on > Amazon, > (its for a Vec139 > and I'm not > sure if that will work with this one.) Nope, the Vec139 uses a 12v system (two 6V batteries in series), so it's charger wouldn't be appropriate. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 3 15:02:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7097F2D0805 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 15:01:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E1C2D01A6 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 14:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id udSN1j0061Y3wxoA1kC212; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 20:12:02 +0000 Received: from SusieandMarkPC ([76.21.64.167]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ukC11j00G3cWj0U8bkC1gA; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 20:12:02 +0000 From: "Mark Miller" To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 13:12:02 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2KDB+3bO8etKqcToO5FDw413zeLAAA8EUw Subject: [Shop-talk] Premade Drawer kits Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Our kitchen cabinets have a drawer missing. There's a front for it, there's nothing blocking the space, and there's no reason not to have one. (paricularly since the opening is 24" wide, and the other drawers are all narrow.) I'd like to buy a box, install it , and attach the existing front to it. Anyone have suggestions on where to get such a thing? None of the local big box places do. Lots of them out there: https://www.barkerdoor.com/Baltic-Plywood-Dovetail-Drawer-Boxes-p/drawerbox- baltic-dovetail.htm http://www.bhkofamerica.com/ http://www.firstchoiceproducts.net/drawer-kits.html _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 4 06:58:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FDA2D0846 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:58:09 -0600 (MDT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: autox.team.net mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner@autox.team.net To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 05:07:19 -0600 Errors-To: mailman-bounces@autox.team.net This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your autox.team.net mailing list memberships. 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Passwords for shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net: List Password // URL ---- -------- shop-talk@autox.team.net ewucpoho http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk-archive%40autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 5 21:57:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240522D0A90 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s37.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s37.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.112]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0221B2D0182 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:09:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT123-W63 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s37.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 5 Sep 2012 19:08:44 -0700 From: Rich White To: shop-talk List Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:08:43 -0500 FILETIME=[8AFD5C00:01CD8BD4] Subject: [Shop-talk] OT building question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I know this isn't shop related, but Mark seems OK if we stray a little... My wife and I own a two story, four unit apartment building. It is currently stucco over lath. Due to years of neglect the stucco and lath are pulling free of the framing and we have been told everything will need to come off. We want to keep the "look" of the building. I found two types of vertical siding and what seems to be an updated version of stucco.Does anyone have any experance any of these products?http://www.jameshardiecommercial.com/index-all.shtmlhttp://www.certa inteed.com/http://www.dryvit.com/systems.asp?country_id=1 Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Thu Sep 6 00:11:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3032C0C4B for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 00:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191E22D0A4B for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 22:54:33 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TY4w6/GzFL9bDoE6CpGw9Ge1aZcyMauZ+o4uqxoAcLe9o3Qg66oj1navC/eMI6yV; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.194.241.21] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1T9U9J-0005kn-Jt; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 00:57:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 21:56:37 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: Rich White References: Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT building question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Rich, I'm using the residential Hardie Soffit product right now under my balcony instead of stucco. In my case, it is much lighter, cheaper, and a do it myself product. I have the 12" x 12' Cedarmill and like it. With the sheets of vertical siding on the Hardie Commercial site, you will have seams, so need to plan how you cover them. If you have imperfections in the building, they will also stand out more with a uniform product like the siding. A skilled stucco person can make a bad wall look good, so that may be a consideration. You also need to line the edges of the vertical siding sheets on studs, which might be wasteful depending on your framing. This wouldn't be an issue with horizontal siding. Stucco doesn't care about uneven stud locations. The commercial product you are looking at is 5/16" thick vs. the 1/4" residential soffit product I'm using, but I'd be concerned about durability/damage at a rental location that may be abused. If a stucco wall takes a baseball hit or gets bumped by a car, I think there is less chance that anyone will know compared to the Hardie siding. Hopefully someone else on the list can speak to the durability of the specific products you are looking at. One option might be to use the siding on the upper level and stucco on the lower level. That way, you could run the sheets vertical and not have any horizontal seams. You might even be able to get higher rent if the place looks architecturally interesting. The fiber cement product is brittle and needs to be carried on edge. I snapped the first piece I tried to put up. I then used a long strip of plywood to support the pieces as I lifted them into position. This probably will not be a problem with siding, especially if two people are doing the install. They say you need to buy a special blade if you use a circular saw, but I use an old fast framing blade. It makes lots of dust. I did wear a respirator and safety glasses and recommend anyone sawing fiber cement product do the same. I used a diamond blade in my jig saw for neat rounded cuts around electrical boxes. I ordered the primed, but not painted product. It paints nice, but takes two coats of Behr Masonry/brick/stucco paint to cover it nicely. The first coat really soaked in, so I think the claims about the paint lasting are true. Call around if you have an option with multiple dealers. I had very different prices and delivery times. It turns out, the cheapest could also have it is stock in two days vs. a week and 30 percent more for the first place I called. Brian On 9/5/2012 7:08 PM, Rich White wrote: > I know this isn't shop related, but Mark seems OK if we stray a little... My > wife and I own a two story, four unit apartment building. > > It is currently stucco over lath. Due to years of neglect the stucco and lath > are > pulling free of the framing and we have been told everything will need to > come > off. > > > > We want to keep the "look" of the building. I found two types of vertical > siding and what seems to be an updated version of stucco.Does anyone have any > experance any of these > products?http://www.jameshardiecommercial.com/index-all.shtmlhttp://www.certa > inteed.com/http://www.dryvit.com/systems.asp?country_id=1 > Rich White Central, IL USA > '63 TR3B TCF###L > That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 20:32:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83F22D01AE for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEEE2D01A1 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggnf4 with SMTP id f4so3366ggn.14 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:30:51 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9Y6B5jwoomqRc6hDL+wjyJhw3tn9uMy/uEnEu+wj3Ys=; b=wusqlhrOdCNToDdMKpBN2yURQXb9H3AcJ0SLEg2tSmZU2SQZ/+papFlthPmM0tetpE 0FXcPHy09m6WOuuUySvGfvS91sqk4VmE+Afh19S9I2UDM0v3Pbuywyr0bs8MD///Gcsj mrx5Uak33pY8rkaAUtQ7cJRXGNMTYQtiL4rozLJIBN2PPbVD5XdyoABUlICZFCDboC7r CSuFdFPagatJmKL0LS1DxuGpVpbkgWDdbEKUfDAEwb8ZzWhcTG2NXNv5Sbywm9UbTBOK FOAV2JNyczI0H1EyYpiMjMsJgyX0Yk26QmvfhROGvJ7tXOR3oFViD2d2UzlFByzUEZle IN9w== Received: by 10.236.127.199 with SMTP id d47mr14276303yhi.11.1347330651048; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-71-203-101-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. [71.203.101.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h8sm13300623ank.9.2012.09.10.19.30.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:30:45 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <0M8R00GIAY5DOVM0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Subject: [Shop-talk] Chasing down an auto wiring issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Okay, it's in the shop, and you guys are probably better at this than anyone else... My CTS daily driver has 'parking' lights in the headlight housing (I don't know what else to call them--little white lights in the corner of the housing...'marker' lights, maybe?). The driver's light is out. It's not the bulb. The other lights in the housing work fine, as does the passenger side marker light. I have no idea how to go about chasing this down. Short of disassembling the car and examining or replacing the wire...I got nothing. Any help? Thanks. Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 20:50:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF082D01AE for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:50:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 636952D01AA for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.68] by nm26.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 02:53:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.89] by tm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 02:53:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 02:53:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 92616 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2012 02:53:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347331991; bh=qqVrPFtyh4daWF+b2y9w9NBPsaMDprxAQ94TrmnDxtE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GOhpa28OqcNCGPqA1Mo7CAr0fm6mJzqCK9GMxvxER0DGZpblqYX1vZBjET3VFNmhOds/gk4A0IMOK8EHruQEM83eA+KWMzv4VEekOt+2hBkGr4uUKS3VWVi5WFjn0stEsrXFDDC/aEIARW5Kka+xZlpWa2T83EQZwf9Q9uQNdl8= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4f6A4I8XbZvW9UhFi2RChLfAjfsgiOeE197yhQKJKnCEe2MKH/W7NztgzOnezwchsQltb2efXzmVgHOlH33tzEhOTg3haw5U53CdO3ILzYNVfUZt9nXCelL8n38HDB6YZaNCWfKddloG12eR/0b+8iw/FNGaPOUnG8Tr5C9nB9M=; QvvEni.UquqkuSD2l.oZFKm7d1L8QufW3M6iQd2y.Rl7b3aZ.8hLlTlreNSr GNXKS2sYVGOR43asmnHpqD4ZI1PpQ3B9SKM9tJ0D2ChP6XHvu9tvLlY8yZfc 1LxtO0IK._SMDelPe5KIkqeL2pdEoP2Am7SAPd2x97dqJa6nSYDnzsn1P1tR 6KID.bGPPdNEg7sbriChMlPHcOIRaQp8dmMswNxpsbV91F4_vHW.M_dK6QMt 1jCe4kQhwXMRHIuLgHlXleRev5_LPyae23QQMAhUnXb5aedCs9kSKQIQJ.1k yg_jbZ_o9Iqz7_OiXhkmqm3NgYGvAZI8mGIVfqxRg3GyiomHSYstbiLC86VB X..rRT_PJ4KmitjUgULIVa01OvBSmXRHAFwJTCVRX0Vw2LvJnomlJgGyQNa5 VI1FGIP9AgRk89akxSxOxRk8g6ZH2.RmGDA1DoVzJpdFlvynV0kn8KpVb7pp 2CpWbWw-- Received: from [98.137.27.129] by web184904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:53:11 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:53:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Vantacich To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] 455 Husqvarna rancher chain saw Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I was wondering if anyone on the list has purchased a Husqvarna 455 rancher chain saw recently? I have owned mine for about 2 years and since day one it has leaked chain oil . I started stripping it down and think I have found the source of the leak, a rubber plug with a rubber tube coming off of it, but it looks in good condition. I have heard of others having this same problem but no fix for the problem. Frank V. rustymetal@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 21:18:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3922D01B8 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:18:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D112D01AA for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:16:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iagk10 with SMTP id k10so47736iag.14 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:19:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LwKeMPNMJ1PYRZW3uNrbBVSdH/7tWZSrXlT5IVYHx7g=; b=qiXxOQjbPlXa7mB8kWQDLYmEL3zY5SDLH6JAvLW5egW+yUdcq1v3iUTsma/rxUqXYn 9+g10uxme4hiju2q0igMx2Ra5d+lX/XjshB9x3F1EQBZ5G9biLeVPc5SVT0mMtpIyX+S ZHD3pn56MuU2aR9kYHZcVW+TgncPN4w7lWRWwUnh0yXvniObC78ja2yhmbjuRf/mqL5W L1zwO0h+kBHVpRGkfgg49SfjlHK3AFOwK4NoNQp9Wkrycm6Jtoygro7mWJv5uEZH0u2u YxKfAmmAvDoxmfKGnNMox0kmEf8Pv8jFfQRceu6RFasJUaSbPS44J0tT0L8pV4W+GxzZ icmQ== Received: by 10.43.103.193 with SMTP id dj1mr20095795icc.2.1347333564600; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.12.233 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:19:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <0M8R00GIAY5DOVM0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <504EA255.3050303@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:19:24 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Chasing down an auto wiring issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Scott wrote: > The driver's light is out. It's not the bulb. The other lights in the > housing work fine, as does the passenger side marker light. > > Any help? I don't know anything either, but I would guess that the cluster has a plug attached to it. I'd make sure there's power to the plug. If so, then you pull the cluster out and trace the wiring/circuit board/whatever moves electrons around the board to see what's wrong. How old is this vehicle? You have tested the lamp, and/or replaced it with a known good lamp? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 10 21:33:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAA32D01BE for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:33:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A5A582D0196 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:32:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 03:35:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.209] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 03:35:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 03:35:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 88884 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2012 03:35:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347334533; bh=Vqcwv1v3+RKgsLF86vZ6vrkZXu+48utl7yYxjq/vvys=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jNEULky6aXdp3s9YAlT8o8IQaYN4pJ2/YQ5WPgv3ysT/Gv3sZn9cDekvkndR0IgaC4pMb+Q3HRq6qOUPdejjsUO1hIgRIijZv3LnnLj6P5i1fmb6HMFi/3z6e5pMzE93rxenT0U0Vtidg5WCvZlXeMzQKMHShWCn0ew2wlQx40E= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ez9azaop2+pxWJ5SVfZ5MmsVGX9JXUbuyomKLxvs2Ca+fzaL8KGC3L1YQ4RYtUu9PCF4Yrq9XBMHNyD0N9k3JAP5GrDasAcy5x8P9ufv8QLyKTggPW+w8Yexg+wN5Tit4sHKvRjyZq5eZSvorVT6RWChA6tUR878BtoAFQg+PAE=; Vkqfu_9DwVNiJU0wmews1NhJqHG96qLlK7llITYZpE3UzqvtkdCVDwf_GCK_ meg619_MlYpmCpNo.iOvInKrU_dU1Fpd1Bo5MhWEYs9zCEq6aEUjzo92_wuS RIoG7Mb8HQhxFSFK8EL9boHvESlitfzBI1LekNo0u.Qc8UAqEQtcmMFVLafa B8d7iMV4GN85iri8IR7ZoLLeIEpZF.QrTU_N5DKr_uaGKTyKbgxuSINaH2D3 MbHPNJjFoWk6.0wOXxawvHzNbjCD7PjNBTTNHW_OrR28eIfAstrKBaB1XgvM .U3wpfMD0oPcLNpZQquhOhGBo8RjjBJHBeWOd0d9.1pEhL2r2345AJ8Vhg9h z5lry20F.1cszLYDn4tySLnGItfxQqU3mhcoM4nmlAMVnEWbaydKw9aArRRN MN6qLLZhnidrKqJ0tB6CSctVjMdFgfEYBIWj1bvusfu9jpDWX2.FoXIxCuxN zppxH5i2HCnm2799cm6nppYwaWXbQ6Y4uE8RaZ_DTEkPU6912Mdh1tTa4tRU Nc6Ixr4uA2p_IIw-- Received: from [74.161.48.43] by web140003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:35:33 PDT References: <0M8R00GIAY5DOVM0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <504EA255.3050303@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Chasing down an auto wiring issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Usually a bad bulb, grounding or wire issue. Normally the fuses cover both sides, and not a single side. Occasionally you have to break out the owners manual and head for the fuse description section. If you depend on the little diagram on the fusebox, you may spend hours thinking you replaced the 'correct' fuse when in fact you did not. BTDT. Also using a known good bulb is a good suggestion. Never assume. Brian >________________________________ > From: Scott >To: shop-talk@autox.team.net >Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:30 PM >Subject: [Shop-talk] Chasing down an auto wiring issue > >Okay, it's in the shop, and you guys are probably better at this than anyone else... > >My CTS daily driver has 'parking' lights in the headlight housing (I don't know what else to call them--little white lights in the corner of the housing...'marker' lights, maybe?). The driver's light is out. It's not the bulb. The other lights in the housing work fine, as does the passenger side marker light. > >I have no idea how to go about chasing this down. Short of disassembling the car and examining or replacing the wire...I got nothing. > >Any help? > >Thanks. > >Scott >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/battmain@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 05:15:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68DA2D01EC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F382D019B for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:11:38 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:06:21 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/11/2012 07:06:25, Serialize complete at 09/11/2012 07:06:25 Subject: [Shop-talk] Separating copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Quick question, I have an antique split bamboo fishing rod that is *suppose* to separate in the middle. The problem is that they are stuck solid. I've tried WD40, and some other lubricants with no luck. Heat really isn't an option. So, any ideas? I need to be careful, because I don't want to destroy or damage the rod. (I believe the metal tips are either copper) Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 05:32:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152A42D01FE for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:32:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1FB2C0B17 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120911112748.VDUN10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:27:48 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id xnTo1j00K0x0GZM05nToVo; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:27:48 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=BB9WRhnhPBAA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=rJKr4hCHR4DN897UMoAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:27:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:27:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Chasing down an auto wiring issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I would lean towards the bulb/fixture as well. My S10 also has these running lights. When one of mine went out the rest of the headlights worked fine. I replaced the fixture and all was fine. tim On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Scott wrote: > Okay, it's in the shop, and you guys are probably better at this than > anyone else... > > My CTS daily driver has 'parking' lights in the headlight housing (I > don't know what else to call them--little white lights in the corner > of the housing...'marker' lights, maybe?). The driver's light is out. > It's not the bulb. The other lights in the housing work fine, as does > the passenger side marker light. > > I have no idea how to go about chasing this down. Short of > disassembling the car and examining or replacing the wire...I got > nothing. > > Any help? > > Thanks. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 07:18:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234C02D0207 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 21C8C2C1786 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 13:18:13 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.79] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 13:18:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 13:18:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 91413 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2012 13:18:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; b=NSNx5Sif4eOnHzWV48VAGtjO4msKVvhV2KuocKZwbY2m1oixnFtmF9qO+C+iEUDXuvHf+kS74yDHnOkykK6P1mf9/mrqvpL38POyLl+RwfewlXHcdA3g8KcdYxQVt4YOPxkfaR/o/lsBwqmIdiR+9U7WevRRcLA5HID26jb+uPE= ; s=s1024; t=1347369492; bh=kl7Umf0PeaL2FQIn4LKmCMXhgbAqhgkTElHe58tgX6k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=0tl8NZUsdGUP2EXjpz/lNRPvuYpX0Ii5ggF+KmNTpe6S8QRTCPpTC2f5WELtqvzqn0g3MJhwhNUnvuk+0hhctOyrLf7XXJjcgermoVCsSq5eB8G8duAXZoLSH8NbiSrpP8crAO79FvqhRTTlWQoI+eHQlbBHKjULPbr+DDI8JvA= LwC7GpvhWzGyYPsiczmp4HuRLHszSaB7aTfbLRJZ4sgYusvVz3kKRN9jhvHg W80KiMfnhTbsbEAkN6kPXJHOu9DK_ewhuRSX1DdGCqGLJq_.24ZZGzjv4MNb 68uWVPrUlc9WNkJNCQgJLmyMkaYVmYrlbOk1RC0SBks_lcwyHVPIAdvOkjVs LHqTtMvsGMJbzOvXptVi355o9hIRf0v0i1cpcE0EggdefIlwLYPzDqcPcMBz CSXRgoHWdzXDWMWMAvURserzxOiG_Shraj29AEHO7iHFr.bMYL1H096eAd8S IrJ8kZNxgCfo6_xKf6_x1qZoJUk8iBhdlj_QFMzc1hhz4s_1KxhbWsbpd2wJ uBb6y7VbfaZVh.FmIktoz2mD.EukoUkGowCttsztnkVlab4kCM2bA657WoMz D3lFdAt6XvDwfZMEGkgiFVm2nBzBLceESnj2DbOdJPM2DKU8KMEJT.RGaAKj 7uAw- Received: from Karl (kvacek@75.22.16.223 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2012 06:18:12 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: , References: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:18:08 -0500 Thread-Index: AQERc9jCLlevWQDMEyBLkod+UpZ0UZj9VQ5A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Separating copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Having been disappointed in every rust penetrant I've ever tried, and never really believing that any of them actually loosened anything, I just heard of something else from someone similarly frustrated. Corrosion X is a product sold for internal corrosion protection of vehicles and structures. Really popular for spraying inside aluminum aircraft, into all the hidden panels, etc. where there's no way to clean or inspect short of rivet removal and rebuilding. It's not AFAIK sold as a penetrant for part removal. However... This guy had two really rusty Curtiss OX-5 (used in the WWI Jenny, Waco 10, etc.) engines he'd just bought. I mentioned that successful disassembly looked really iffy, and he immediately smiled and said that where previously he'd anticipate spending months struggling with disassembly, he didn't expect to spend more than a few hours on each one after an hour or two with Corrosion X. The engines have lots of steel and aluminum parts, with some brass and copper as well. He's not a Corrosion-X dealer - he makes custom embroidered shirts, jackets, caps, etc. to support his antique airplane habit. In fact, he didn't even specify which formulation to use - they have several. Karl -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of eric@megageek.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 06:06 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Separating copper Quick question, I have an antique split bamboo fishing rod that is *suppose* to separate in the middle. The problem is that they are stuck solid. I've tried WD40, and some other lubricants with no luck. Heat really isn't an option. So, any ideas? I need to be careful, because I don't want to destroy or damage the rod. (I believe the metal tips are either copper) Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/kvacek@ameritech.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 08:21:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E7C2D01EC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA032C0D2D for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 08:15:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so900384vbk.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:18:21 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:x-gm-message-state; bh=e3hHSQAjhrH0C7DCPMnvAzkUTNM6QyE1kR9L+OJUeIE=; b=mmCEoPCw66KZ6rCk7sf1MdLvxiAn7o/tLL36MmI96kUtiLbzqA6+Sx3n/yH7gIUb53 7G+4AqruurjbRoHnCZlvsYBlP/w7Omzmo6XDV2zWSAm9Y0eHKMVFknkRtpEjK/0qHlTm WC+eKUePFCxnsvLMdKu6dPU+yCgcf8OOPd3gF5ZfdNo2RKy1jvQA6gcw9NUIdLTZOOqi uazPR6aRRuqK9SJ1pubv7zRiTKYuAucpBU2jvoIxbIaPz1fsQeC4O76HOWyRYQrvLVWo cZl7Rc8lo2u3Zaw3s39RtUj8tq3I/oSGpK2jhxKpsysQj6jQ+9kIImTP+B1ApvAhHLSn gdUw== Received: by 10.220.141.3 with SMTP id k3mr289512vcu.30.1347373101142; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GeraldPC (d28-23-189-29.dim.wideopenwest.com. [23.28.29.189]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j13sm11028772vej.3.2012.09.11.07.18.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 07:18:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gerald Brazil" To: , References: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:18:17 -0400 Thread-Index: AQERc9jCLlevWQDMEyBLkod+UpZ0UZj9aE1Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Separating copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have two ideas.....one serious and one "myth busters"..... Try Kroil....the very best stuff I have found for dealing with anything metal.... The second....Coca Cola.......people use it for everything else.....might just work. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of eric@megageek.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:06 AM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Separating copper Quick question, I have an antique split bamboo fishing rod that is *suppose* to separate in the middle. The problem is that they are stuck solid. I've tried WD40, and some other lubricants with no luck. Heat really isn't an option. So, any ideas? I need to be careful, because I don't want to destroy or damage the rod. (I believe the metal tips are either copper) Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gerrybraz@cablespeed.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 10:55:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503772D01CC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:55:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail16c40.carrierzone.com (mail16c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC5A2C0D2C for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MARK2CT (70-88-2-230-nashville-tn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.88.2.230]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail16c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8BGuw4b025319 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:56:59 +0000 From: "Mark Endicott" To: References: <001e01cd9028$4d73aad0$e85b0070$@cablespeed.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:57:44 -0500 a=Gg370gbHjb0A:10 a=zZKT3jqqOw0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=R5gpiK+HJ/bna/IrAbEdxw==:17 a=jU28zLRMCjwTw7UZJVoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=R5gpiK+HJ/bna/IrAbEdxw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Separating copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How about freezing the joint to shrink it then heating the outside piece quickly with a small jewelers torch to try to expand the outer collar while the inner is still cold? Eric, you probably have some liquid nitrogen available don't you? Maybe the expansion and contraction would break it loose. Mark Nashville _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 10:58:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103D32D01FE for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm21.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm21.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A1B8E2C0D27 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:58:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.190] by nm21.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 17:01:41 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.109] by tm3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 17:01:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 17:01:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 98429 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2012 17:01:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347382901; bh=jGPSas+OwTKuHqFG6wLMq0JtGjylBCj1D12k7QmI1kE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0UAjEZ9yF7U87tQGxe1yiwgTTWeSeebl3vKuCpO5MCflyr9EeIQ/lMUVKJqZGPEaKpsV6TNHbb+sGqk5b9zZoEgr59yTBZFV2upNxhhZfn40NUJG92p67X5igNEZRbmtqbn09bb23hzpANpzedULfEgk9q47YTfjN9HtVhXbyfg= NaB3B4BGcHLRkeb6lo8u.cMl5hFRMHE_itfPCL0qCNhYwSCOU7s1caoSUJIC z_ikpY_FbxPm9SLDzKB2e8yP_iVVaEVinN7MFE.TrnTC_sdMBGo.G7boghl. ZDUR2BaaQnk7ZpgjhtrzFjmw0bpE31mbABPjAbfq7TPENLrAw.X416uS1En_ ErAmDVmbqqAWevW94GstS7PFpHd5vUI4Ms0r_EQQP.nRQKQBvC1oZuW20ak9 7QPeJe06U6tb3vRSpX.RKrDesziV2XG5oZ.Cmxc3d0zD_p85Qyhr5zi2Edj1 vLRQhZNoEbxLRo4bgrVlsFCQDQMgK__JuSCVvjB1RVJiWDmJ4idWIj_i0X1G tsHuRb4aucJNH2aySAatJOixO_DKnNFsFy2wQfpsak9oDGqfNdQ-- Received: from [192.168.1.67] (shochschild@108.95.144.138 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2012 10:01:40 -0700 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:01:44 -0500 From: steve hochschild User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <001e01cd9028$4d73aad0$e85b0070$@cablespeed.com> <53C2E2D5E2E64ED78BAE0AFD3EC65CCA@CGI.COMMTECH> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Separating copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net In my experience, this doesn't really work for copper -- it transfers heat so quickly the delta between the inner and outer only lasts for a nanosecond, too fast for expansion to expand. On 9/11/2012 11:57 AM, Mark Endicott wrote: > How about freezing the joint to shrink it then heating the outside > piece quickly with a small jewelers torch to try to expand the outer > collar while the inner is still cold? Eric, you probably have some > liquid nitrogen available don't you? Maybe the expansion and > contraction would break it loose. > > Mark > Nashville _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 11:58:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3722D0214 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38B52D0214 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:57:54 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:52:37 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/11/2012 13:52:41, Serialize complete at 09/11/2012 13:52:41 Subject: [Shop-talk] Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Talking about the headlight housing, how do you fix the hazing that happens on them? I've tried to use toothpaste, but it didn't work that well. Any other ideas? I see lots of kits to do it, but I wonder which one is best, or if there is a better homemade solution (maybe I did the toothpaste wrong.) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 12:12:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578EE2D0210 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (thunder.banklogic.net [72.22.18.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E06C2D01EC for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:07:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q8BIA4bk014581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:10:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id q8BIA4Wa014578 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:10:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:10:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: required 3, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, On Tue, 11 Sep 2012, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Talking about the headlight housing, how do you fix the hazing that > happens on them? > > I've tried to use toothpaste, but it didn't work that well. Any other > ideas? I see lots of kits to do it, but I wonder which one is best, or > if there is a better homemade solution (maybe I did the toothpaste > wrong.) I've used a 3M (?? I think it was) kit from the autoparts store. Seemed to work really well on my motorhome's fairly cloudy headlights and its lasted. If I had to do it again, I'd do the same thing (i.e. go to parts store, look at kits, pick whichever one caught my eye the most). Mark _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 12:13:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73382D0218 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EC12D021A for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MA70049Q6QZ1CG0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:14:56 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: eric@megageek.com, shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net As you said, there are various kits out there. I don't have a recommendation for a particular one, but I hope they all work better than toothpaste. One thing to consider, aftermarket headlights for most cars are a lot less expensive that you might think. Amazon has a number of resellers offering these. It really depends on which vehicle. Some can be had for $25. If you are lucky enough to have one of these vehicles, I'd spend the $50 bucks and get a couple of shiny new ones. Of course, as the price goes up, the kit might be worth a try. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 01:52 PM 9/11/2012, eric@megageek.com wrote: >Talking about the headlight housing, how do you fix the hazing that >happens on them? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 12:14:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773702D0215 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21672D0212 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:13:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xoKb1j0040bG4ec59uGlfZ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:16:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.82.100] ([71.235.119.87]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xuGZ1j00r1tDsSn3PuGacc; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:16:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:16:44 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: eric@megageek.com References: Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/11/2012 1:52 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Talking about the headlight housing, how do you fix the hazing that > happens on them? > > I've tried to use toothpaste, but it didn't work that well. Any other > ideas? I see lots of kits to do it, but I wonder which one is best, or if > there is a better homemade solution (maybe I did the toothpaste wrong.) I've used polishing compound (like rubbing compound) it improves it but may not be as good as commercial products which coat the lens. I'd only us it on old lens. I also used ceramic stove cleaner on windshields to clean them with great success. This would probably work on headlamps also. Peter T. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 12:18:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA5E2D0211 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s27.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s27.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6D72D01EF for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT127-W34 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s27.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:21:21 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:21:20 -0400 References: , <504F800C.7080705@comcast.net> FILETIME=[3E5BB6B0:01CD904A] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric the Car Guy (one of my new favorite YouTube channels) has a video on this I watched awhile back. Offers some tips, though I can't say he or I can recommend the best kit out there. Somewhat entertaining watching in any case. http://youtu.be/iRl8hGhKth8 -PJ > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:16:44 -0400 > From: pj_thomas@comcast.net > To: eric@megageek.com > CC: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Headlight housing hazing > > On 9/11/2012 1:52 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > Talking about the headlight housing, how do you fix the hazing that > > happens on them? > > > > I've tried to use toothpaste, but it didn't work that well. Any other > > ideas? I see lots of kits to do it, but I wonder which one is best, or if > > there is a better homemade solution (maybe I did the toothpaste wrong.) > > I've used polishing compound (like rubbing compound) it improves it but > may not be as good as commercial products which coat the lens. I'd only > us it on old lens. I also used ceramic stove cleaner on windshields to > clean them with great success. This would probably work on headlamps also. > > Peter T. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 13:46:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80582D0211 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B8E2D01FE for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:42:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so1769986obh.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:45:39 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FH9tUGiy6QW2rMiKm8Yfi8T4FntLEOdWo7TPrGBK+iE=; b=ibyW/T5V3M+dg/T8M6TDgyUZq7KxdBg9Rjehu2M7xOGHXmyFDc6rzhisgYVGly71eF WAjGz81Jdd4+sj07W9lM6LBSGqgFGhht/Aq1pHWWloB2EBkp5DQd+TawYFCyiKsHKATS QCm/qDjFUfr4tqWHiyR1hDVftr46g8UHQwGJG2A4oGOX46pINxRK2pHNpdbiMRSiorSK 1LcxFg9lmLSLpYnoREKsTzpsYySIxLo8G74Y73LxGJn47/Ih31ijMZI6t+StjurvLvTz 0IiwenT11Te2RfSQ9DYhx/YBiGUbrycyNW45PvL8VdrpbINdzO85JNt+9L8oaQ9tP7AA c8dQ== Received: by 10.60.13.9 with SMTP id d9mr7482811oec.92.1347392739871; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.49.201 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:45:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <504F800C.7080705@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:45:39 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I worked on the headlights on our '05 Accord this weekend. I've used a couple of the commercial kits and I think the Meguiar's Heavy Duty kits is the best in my experience. It includes both 1000 and 3000 grit disks and a comfortable to use disk holder, along with a liquid polish and a sealer. There's also a soft cotton buffing disk for use with a drill that's about 3 inches across so it works well on all sizes and shapes of headlights. I expect the sealer helps maintain the clarity longer than you might get with just sanding and polishing. Our commute in through farm country and there's often a lot of "junk" in the air. In fact a year or so ago our '95 Odyssey started overheating for no apparent reason, Turned out that over several years the space between the AC condenser and rad had become full of this stuff floating around in the air. I'm sure it's somewhat abrasive on the headlights at 75 plus, too. Interesting to note that the headlights on the Odyssey are cast from harder plastic than the Accord. They're held up well but were also much improved after using the Maguier's kit on them, as were the headlights on our '93 GMC PU. I've noticed when driving our "new" '02 Suburban that the headlights leave much to be desired, but it looks like the outfit that was mentioned here on the list that was offering high output headlights is no longer in business. I'll dig around on Jeg's, LMC Truck and some of the Chev/GMC truck forums to see what I can find. I also want to improve the horn on the Sub. The OE unit sounds like it's from a pedal car! Ron On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > Eric the Car Guy (one of my new favorite YouTube channels) has a video on > this > I watched awhile back. Offers some tips, though I can't say he or I can > recommend the best kit out there. Somewhat entertaining watching in any > case. > http://youtu.be/iRl8hGhKth8 > > -PJ > > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:16:44 -0400 > > From: pj_thomas@comcast.net > > To: eric@megageek.com > > CC: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Headlight housing hazing > > > > On 9/11/2012 1:52 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > > Talking about the headlight housing, how do you fix the hazing that > > > happens on them? > > > > > > I've tried to use toothpaste, but it didn't work that well. Any other > > > ideas? I see lots of kits to do it, but I wonder which one is best, or > if > > > there is a better homemade solution (maybe I did the toothpaste wrong.) > > > > I've used polishing compound (like rubbing compound) it improves it but > > may not be as good as commercial products which coat the lens. I'd only > > us it on old lens. I also used ceramic stove cleaner on windshields to > > clean them with great success. This would probably work on headlamps > also. > > > > Peter T. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 14:05:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5152D0210 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:05:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9342D01D8 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:05:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120911200843.HAMN10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:08:43 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id xw8j1j00T0x0GZM05w8jTa; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:08:43 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=-8x2VroOX4YA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=wrnlkVK_AAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=pu5uTazuGKlL05gwYukA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:08:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:08:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk List User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I bought this one from summit: https://www.summitracing.com/myaccount/OrderDetails.aspx?CN=11901580&ON=4562433 DON'T BOTHER. It looks like a meaty horn but sounds like, as you said, a pedal car. I am very disappointed. tim On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Ronnie Day wrote: > I worked on the headlights on our '05 Accord this weekend. I've used a > couple of the commercial kits and I think the Meguiar's Heavy Duty > kits is > the best in my experience. It includes both 1000 and 3000 grit disks > and a > comfortable to use disk holder, along with a liquid polish and a > sealer. > There's also a soft cotton buffing disk for use with a drill that's > about 3 > inches across so it works well on all sizes and shapes of headlights. > > I expect the sealer helps maintain the clarity longer than you might > get > with just sanding and polishing. Our commute in through farm country > and > there's often a lot of "junk" in the air. In fact a year or so ago our > '95 > Odyssey started overheating for no apparent reason, Turned out that > over > several years the space between the AC condenser and rad had become > full of > this stuff floating around in the air. I'm sure it's somewhat abrasive > on > the headlights at 75 plus, too. Interesting to note that the > headlights on > the Odyssey are cast from harder plastic than the Accord. They're held > up > well but were also much improved after using the Maguier's kit on > them, as > were the headlights on our '93 GMC PU. > > I've noticed when driving our "new" '02 Suburban that the headlights > leave > much to be desired, but it looks like the outfit that was mentioned > here on > the list that was offering high output headlights is no longer in > business. > I'll dig around on Jeg's, LMC Truck and some of the Chev/GMC truck > forums > to see what I can find. I also want to improve the horn on the Sub. > The OE > unit sounds like it's from a pedal car! > > Ron > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM, PJ McGarvey > wrote: > >> E _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 14:17:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148EC2D0210 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm17.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm17.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B08CD2D01D8 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:15:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.77] by nm17.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 20:18:25 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.104] by tm11.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 20:18:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 20:18:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 8000 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2012 20:18:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347394705; bh=hk2bdfFAd9oCpSNfUe3+SAasFfPuS3hsTJb8V1jqVX4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=32gRFGxCgJRf/XBChDEkPS6ZHW4Dg+onuupvC4PHmsHa8eICgkq4C12gIK5/f5XW9BH5tASyGAF08ezyi25U3SrZEc0UiUfOs+NX107kURDzbdCpFbcU6H4e4xajGOv41Kq8XXXmhL7grV2sG/kcH9eu1JFzM3QPEPrY6Ju1x6M= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qB4PBpu1nYXSXZGHQKpaN4ZB/p7DPAKsvLsVYNcugMOI/fTRSEN+T7XoM5M6EFcheFyQ8EdrN9YJjF7YhKnYJyC6EwMtl54JTyMg5YUt76y3iIdb4DslDan7vAMxGwP/faoXVn38fBCoIB97mGOrpQ5+xCB0LnFlBC1N+s44y9M=; fkAMfhwqcvRxMxOSkcjCLjt2oPkc.XytBkPSlof3xxuN2bRiCG5s1ynxKZQ4 wzFohuctv1PSkAS4eSXmgM88knxpkqarXyv7Aswu_uPUpBauaVnukShjS_Wk JdUVJpgFRtmW7dK0VgD5svpZwnXqYfqHrw0.ctyOEs9XubDz5uAPyFkIP2TF qDMTIMwGy6RHB0DZctcdsMzovtJ6lFSCKeO6hPnBgLTuMG0wBKNvYgzaUTWH M1nDtxPmn8VFhwzmkhGOlQklMvBJ0ih3o5km4OqOlxuQXvKPCmV_bMJqoQf0 HQw1NRJ8xQO2seoC.Zf..bTwwlGXb4kaiMPj1MT.dnl5KZccrFHxy_zrzuYM 92SOzjzYjLBrjPTM70pZBBVrYxuHK5Op4YcNeLsmq8rxe1EuRZiVvu_nSe67 a9DuwFwpmkV7lX2Isp_vS8xfKuzjQ9bYlStU4FrBewQY7ezKj7t6nzuxEhPX NLalvpRZrjwdXfNbJcs6LabZoqdoCMpgyn42rFrju_EtLdm8u7qz4vQFc3eY jsRea5X5mqoNHCWaQBRVT6T3uu45WiRT4ITUv3qDSTlZmirq04rNCCycwU0n 4D0q5wepfbfHuF0ByT8emX5i99OgZ6UYynOkvTzn52TsjqOKy.vU- Received: from [12.167.75.11] by web184501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:18:24 PDT References: <278a3b1.34315b.139b6f2b847.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:18:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Rand E To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You can get the same horn at Harbor Freight on sale for about $20. Randy ________________________________ From: Tim To: Shop Talk List Sent: Tue, September 11, 2012 3:08:43 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing I bought this one from summit: https://www.summitracing.com/myaccount/OrderDetails.aspx?CN=11901580&ON=4562433 DON'T BOTHER. It looks like a meaty horn but sounds like, as you said, a pedal car. I am very disappointed. tim On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Ronnie Day wrote: > I worked on the headlights on our '05 Accord this weekend. I've used a > couple of the commercial kits and I think the Meguiar's Heavy Duty kits is > the best in my experience. It includes both 1000 and 3000 grit disks and a > comfortable to use disk holder, along with a liquid polish and a sealer. > There's also a soft cotton buffing disk for use with a drill that's about 3 > inches across so it works well on all sizes and shapes of headlights. > > I expect the sealer helps maintain the clarity longer than you might get > with just sanding and polishing. Our commute in through farm country and > there's often a lot of "junk" in the air. In fact a year or so ago our '95 > Odyssey started overheating for no apparent reason, Turned out that over > several years the space between the AC condenser and rad had become full of > this stuff floating around in the air. I'm sure it's somewhat abrasive on > the headlights at 75 plus, too. Interesting to note that the headlights on > the Odyssey are cast from harder plastic than the Accord. They're held up > well but were also much improved after using the Maguier's kit on them, as > were the headlights on our '93 GMC PU. > > I've noticed when driving our "new" '02 Suburban that the headlights leave > much to be desired, but it looks like the outfit that was mentioned here on > the list that was offering high output headlights is no longer in business. > I'll dig around on Jeg's, LMC Truck and some of the Chev/GMC truck forums > to see what I can find. I also want to improve the horn on the Sub. The OE > unit sounds like it's from a pedal car! > > Ron > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > >> E _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mistertwo@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 15:49:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302962D0211 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:49:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm40-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm40-vm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE30F2D01D9 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:48:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm40.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 21:51:31 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.233] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 21:51:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1042.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Sep 2012 21:51:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 28019 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2012 21:51:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347400291; bh=9zr68Np0uBnWTcdAC7LVcuKuLjJtfeyqor+nZCPxIrg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SauQsCIcVhLjEpVTe2Ek0JqIaSxfFVFQ5LSjd/HL0vAQjqTb8jEPk8Q/viWxY3klQtAgVYmCr+YT9z+xuxjZ8tXskhpA3tiELmmiFwiRGytaOUeYOqA+D2jKiti0qQ2k2ED8YxY+rxP6KXu3F+T5/IsA5IiiOt6uRjkTtz4aKO4= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ypJ6KwBgid8f7yVxhChCTOEjZJDJDZt/Uw/rBm4YeIpf/42LTngWiIxukJllJiVxEY4Svxfc+jsLLktGMGuW7oprGwfSOM4z1TETmJ/U7JiV5RNYQa0Tu7KaK//l+ydegcjQ4udlInLydjaKVSciB5HveS6oxzJ4RYTr8FxYUSs=; TNGLSIix6M_XhhwfRNcN29OIYTBXoEQdz3iUS4K0zz.Nn5eGtIqrelL4qwXw HK95naAVTvtjqT.JIysMBtQa.MiQvjuyVnt17SwsRejJ5mKF0Wkg3pqB7bvR QIuOEk2Wvh1hVCI.oHARtINOwkKRGLDRsi04x6xgOMfHSbZ7qAhqB2vBQzTx U3mGLMFmv8mAWsb3fC_8575U1q.a0ySepG24Yjrsa5cMohlKOjEgH4GlSQ.E DNWtBHk096OG8QWhLhK2azhHMDJDxNNAd2R7tI3_kM6LDYsZuAW3EMDrCHdG gou3mlbPHz7.htYVXf9nI9.1CKu33P6lQDnA3l36H4ChooTkeHXnieLLvEAN orWNyJlTsrirAqFwdiCMbrN0StOFF4e_J3Hj_q3.9QrR2cqnuaBHCaH5il0l ytv5nFafFezdv.45Kxbwql8a2HgNN4.zLppY2XHtrSns3g3Hcvphc6fnbRMK CMlxJYPFSwSNaQ7KDosAAueE1O60hWAGrK6SlCg4VEigXSzqc9qkBIrpXPvJ pODfYbES1PEflkQG4mkphQ1WtOlSTWsOZUf_d9PbkrtjhmE4W9PQyIS1KhwU W5F9.X.nhRlJNFL2zva.aliEX5h0hPDq3HindurTTCsQVs7Z5YSyoLTtY2iA 338uh92JTZd3zyhxCWhk- Received: from [173.252.176.138] by web140006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:51:31 PDT References: <278a3b1.34315b.139b6f2b847.Webtop.44@charter.net> <1347394704.6211.YahooMailRC@web184501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:51:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just get a hornblaster and be done with it. Youtube hornblaster and while they were being idiots, it shows the power of the horn. I too got a horn thinking it would help. While loud, it was no comparison to the hornblaster. Brian >________________________________ > From: Rand E >To: Shop Talk List >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 4:18 PM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing > >You can get the same horn at Harbor Freight on sale for about $20. > >Randy > > > > > >________________________________ >From: Tim >To: Shop Talk List >Sent: Tue, September 11, 2012 3:08:43 PM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing > >I bought this one from summit: > > >https://www.summitracing.com/myaccount/OrderDetails.aspx?CN=11901580&ON=4562 433 > >DON'T BOTHER. It looks like a meaty horn but sounds like, as you said, a pedal >car. I am very disappointed. > >tim > >On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Ronnie Day wrote: > >> I worked on the headlights on our '05 Accord this weekend. I've used a >> couple of the commercial kits and I think the Meguiar's Heavy Duty kits is >> the best in my experience. It includes both 1000 and 3000 grit disks and a >> comfortable to use disk holder, along with a liquid polish and a sealer. >> There's also a soft cotton buffing disk for use with a drill that's about 3 >> inches across so it works well on all sizes and shapes of headlights. >> >> I expect the sealer helps maintain the clarity longer than you might get >> with just sanding and polishing. Our commute in through farm country and >> there's often a lot of "junk" in the air. In fact a year or so ago our '95 >> Odyssey started overheating for no apparent reason, Turned out that over >> several years the space between the AC condenser and rad had become full of >> this stuff floating around in the air. I'm sure it's somewhat abrasive on >> the headlights at 75 plus, too. Interesting to note that the headlights on >> the Odyssey are cast from harder plastic than the Accord. They're held up >> well but were also much improved after using the Maguier's kit on them, as >> were the headlights on our '93 GMC PU. >> >> I've noticed when driving our "new" '02 Suburban that the headlights leave >> much to be desired, but it looks like the outfit that was mentioned here on >> the list that was offering high output headlights is no longer in business. >> I'll dig around on Jeg's, LMC Truck and some of the Chev/GMC truck forums >> to see what I can find. I also want to improve the horn on the Sub. The OE >> unit sounds like it's from a pedal car! >> >> Ron >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: >> >>> E >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mistertwo@sbcglobal.net >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/battmain@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 17:07:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7732D0208 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:07:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308A42D01D9; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so2081198obh.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:04:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MLRSWZzSp2+hx3jEKdLDqAA9e8HO+lACANCakiKSZjs=; b=K6fCxJsjBf11yqKTe4lGBJpBaFW/WI6MSo+R9j2UDPt1lUxvyrDUIwesIpFoGlDeBw L696DcK9aRTeVJ4Hc4aeU3CcGWruAvs8prGO+shudG4uZJTWvBsX8TgQWGpmYS7KQjXO 13yj+TH19OB/rZUaE1WAj/KHIWyNLnOvyrBrG3R9qK31uZXKaTyCRMrs5G4QM0bBgOo+ cd3X4Njh5tKwGhBv4A9tE8waL7snm4PBvE4bwGXHPz0X4VyXJtxfftr5pu+p53KFtYpN JmMZ+myX2yRFk/ixlJavi4puZq7p+E7WTVQaCvbP662FdMFuH+Hlw2u+6HzCCneXX/KB z49g== Received: by 10.182.118.8 with SMTP id ki8mr20433328obb.79.1347404674013; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.99.73 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:04:33 -0500 From: Patton Dickson <57healey@gmail.com> To: Healey List , Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Looking for someone to look at a vintage camper in Northern Wisconsin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a longshot, but is there anyone in the Northern Wisconsin area that can check out a vintage travel trailer my parents are interested in buying to restore. They just need someone to walk though to see if things are as advertised before they commit to driving up from Mississippi and haven't been able to find one of their trailer buddies in the area. Email me off list if you can help. Thanks Patton -- Patton Dickson - Plano, TX _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 17:37:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1EE2D0223 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362022D01EF for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:36:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qafk30 with SMTP id k30so2249225qaf.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:39:37 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:x-gm-message-state; bh=M3Cz88B9qGVjfbNNK/9HbscsApKZVWCYUOq5XNbzEDo=; b=SFOwIDW1/vpH6m36uZg+nc8VeAlFChc+YHyNzz00Ui0u4dvaw8t0ipQ7tdnZeVuuIi G8kU6EObJckBoQ8XQf2Ad3YFNfBIJ7v4QM4GJdOnRE0N5uKiD13uGlBo4+aANkDghEvx G2tNdSWQdBs3Jx37j7aicTIASZaomowRkeugkLNc7823cEVnBADHmhblFdRWPX57fQoE iV0MxIxdDVANorIb8aKynea/r5Zn8yS0S85tr30jrPWYYSaxvSZhw4Trgo1lwkLSn25F gn/5ilsYXDHZJvEbkF1XXRmhvhZepzxRzdksgA3LelLnIunv3g5US/v81lYbrNgHtknI hHCg== Received: by 10.224.53.18 with SMTP id k18mr21345242qag.1.1347406777722; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GeraldPC (d28-23-189-29.dim.wideopenwest.com. [23.28.29.189]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r6sm1177268qaa.10.2012.09.11.16.39.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:39:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gerald Brazil" To: "'Patton Dickson'" <57healey@gmail.com>, "'Healey List'" , "'Shop-Talk'" References: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:39:41 -0400 Thread-Index: AQEiGPJ4aH6aQ0/yBMrB6xQJghy7q5jcuy2A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking for someone to look at a vintage camper in Northern Wisconsin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If it has ever been used for Deer Camp I doubt if you will be able to get the smell out. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Patton Dickson Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:05 PM To: Healey List; Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Looking for someone to look at a vintage camper in Northern Wisconsin This is a longshot, but is there anyone in the Northern Wisconsin area that can check out a vintage travel trailer my parents are interested in buying to restore. They just need someone to walk though to see if things are as advertised before they commit to driving up from Mississippi and haven't been able to find one of their trailer buddies in the area. Email me off list if you can help. Thanks Patton -- Patton Dickson - Plano, TX _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gerrybraz@cablespeed.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 17:40:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807852D026E for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C548D2D01EF; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:39:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iagk10 with SMTP id k10so1072659iag.14 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:42:39 -0700 (PDT) h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to :from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=wO04/IrBfAV+LcP5T3JsSaAzw7bS/no5vanuUbkNPLE=; b=DmgjzGzfFbtfwrKJsNUbwG5L9UWhGUwRJZGfsultYNZi+kElY3kmxf3XyCKPs+KGge sqwkzvn6HoRT1Gz9VjRfbKegigqOmsbHwkbt27jRcUjKkcUyK7rdfxMSv2P/Fgz9nFSb Yxos7MKYeiZIb3VbNDceC4fPva1u6cjmstN2QCZ9E/kBAs5tZ9A61fGTJ0DJ6yAg782V QYmofUKiNKREy7YOR29FS0n/Yci7bn3g6MIBHN4w745PGvMmX3GYSA74hv+tcheZf4FX PpyguNrwA75Dv6xJ555MlT4ibYCn3txAoZSb8RBAco2UlnaC6GfYrMKDv0fDGcyH1zWs Fb2Q== Received: by 10.50.184.135 with SMTP id eu7mr18249262igc.15.1347406959478; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.29.217.196 (bda-74-82-85-147.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.85.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5sm3298775igm.13.2012.09.11.16.42.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:42:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <002101cd9076$b7eee5c0$27ccb140$@cablespeed.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Gerald Brazil" ,"Healey List" ,"Shop-Talk" From: "Patton Dickson" <57healey@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:42:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking for someone to look at a vintage camper in Northern Wisconsin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net They know. As I understand it, its pretty clean, just 50+ years old. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Gerald Brazil" Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:39:41 To: 'Patton Dickson'<57healey@gmail.com>; 'Healey List'; 'Shop-Talk' Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] Looking for someone to look at a vintage camper in Northern Wisconsin If it has ever been used for Deer Camp I doubt if you will be able to get the smell out. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Patton Dickson Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:05 PM To: Healey List; Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Looking for someone to look at a vintage camper in Northern Wisconsin This is a longshot, but is there anyone in the Northern Wisconsin area that can check out a vintage travel trailer my parents are interested in buying to restore. They just need someone to walk though to see if things are as advertised before they commit to driving up from Mississippi and haven't been able to find one of their trailer buddies in the area. Email me off list if you can help. Thanks Patton -- Patton Dickson - Plano, TX _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gerrybraz@cablespeed.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 20:15:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E462C0D1A for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD422D0205 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:14:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 12 Sep 2012 02:17:31 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-157-250.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.157.250]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4F4D717CCF; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:17:30 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 To: KVacek@Ameritech.net References: <009f01cd901f$e31fcb30$a95f6190$@ameritech.net> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Separating copper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm sold on CorrosionX too. It's pretty much the only spray stuff in a can I buy any more, although I was pretty happy with Kroil, too. On 9/11/2012 6:18 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > Having been disappointed in every rust penetrant I've ever tried, and never > really believing that any of them actually loosened anything, I just heard > of something else from someone similarly frustrated. > > Corrosion X is a product sold for internal corrosion protection of vehicles > and structures. Really popular for spraying inside aluminum aircraft, into > all the hidden panels, etc. where there's no way to clean or inspect short > of rivet removal and rebuilding. It's not AFAIK sold as a penetrant for > part removal. However... > > This guy had two really rusty Curtiss OX-5 (used in the WWI Jenny, Waco 10, > etc.) engines he'd just bought. I mentioned that successful disassembly > looked really iffy, and he immediately smiled and said that where previously > he'd anticipate spending months struggling with disassembly, he didn't > expect to spend more than a few hours on each one after an hour or two with > Corrosion X. The engines have lots of steel and aluminum parts, with some > brass and copper as well. > > He's not a Corrosion-X dealer - he makes custom embroidered shirts, jackets, > caps, etc. to support his antique airplane habit. In fact, he didn't even > specify which formulation to use - they have several. > > Karl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of eric@megageek.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 06:06 > To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Shop-talk] Separating copper > > Quick question, I have an antique split bamboo fishing rod that is > *suppose* to separate in the middle. The problem is that they are stuck > solid. > > I've tried WD40, and some other lubricants with no luck. Heat really isn't > an option. > > So, any ideas? I need to be careful, because I don't want to destroy or > damage the rod. (I believe the metal tips are either copper) > > Thanks. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo > Emerson _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/kvacek@ameritech.net > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 11 21:12:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2B02D0214 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:12:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAC82C0D15 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so386485yhf.41 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:15:09 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RnyfFY7Z1MVsHm8qmMwwJ+EvOhTtNzZqQy4BZaqUeFA=; b=XTYJmHmJXpN0imv4vsiJmm+kBnfvkI6e6DO59vsRhQUJGIe0AYVxt3PHztB5arMmgX 1dKEU+/WarYdXsnPdQDzxshpHf9uISIG5kIWCWz4V1956vb8irr5/Ev14qDAYnnoPYPc iZ0YONfPMp5iKK33eKM/Q+ojq8g9C1ZXDAQlPb6nCwToH+0Darlvafh9MU0uOt6JvXDq NZFAFShVtzS/42PziJGIYoGR4ayy34qgrk0ZozmPnX0/0Jjbbbo/8c+sqzfloQS6Ha9R a4o2KO0yp7Bfs9Jq9dl9u6A/nPtEI+OUM6KvfRmJwwqBddXlkAvMKUUiOL2wqH3XLRN9 NzYA== Received: by 10.236.77.7 with SMTP id c7mr18541528yhe.2.1347419709372; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (c-71-203-101-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. [71.203.101.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i3sm16630279anl.0.2012.09.11.20.15.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:15:02 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <2536e2e6.33bc17.139b515cdbe.Webtop.44@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Chasing down an auto wiring issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net So just...snip the old one off and splice in a new one? On 9/11/2012 7:27 AM, Tim wrote: > I would lean towards the bulb/fixture as well. My S10 also has these > running lights. When one of mine went out the rest of the headlights > worked fine. I replaced the fixture and all was fine. > > tim > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Scott wrote: > >> Okay, it's in the shop, and you guys are probably better at this than >> anyone else... >> >> My CTS daily driver has 'parking' lights in the headlight housing (I >> don't know what else to call them--little white lights in the corner >> of the housing...'marker' lights, maybe?). The driver's light is out. >> It's not the bulb. The other lights in the housing work fine, as does >> the passenger side marker light. >> >> I have no idea how to go about chasing this down. Short of >> disassembling the car and examining or replacing the wire...I got >> nothing. >> >> Any help? >> >> Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 05:09:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E832D027A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:09:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234B62D0220; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120912110837.DACH24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11>; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:08:37 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id yB8d1j0071F7hH505B8dW7; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:08:37 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=MS5MszTTpT4A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=IbGe5b-4CybArLIZzEkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:08:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:08:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Patton Dickson <57healey@gmail.com> User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: Healey List , Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Looking for someone to look at a vintage camper in Northern Wisconsin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Where in Northern WI? I will be in the Green Bay area in early November and know a few people around the state. tim On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Patton Dickson wrote: > This is a longshot, but is there anyone in the Northern Wisconsin area > that > can check out a vintage travel trailer my parents are interested in > buying > to restore. They just need someone to walk though to see if things > are > as advertised before they commit to driving up from Mississippi and > haven't > been able to find one of their trailer buddies in the area. > > Email me off list if you can help. > Thanks > Patton > > -- > Patton Dickson - Plano, TX > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 05:10:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EC52D0226 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:10:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2347D2D0226 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:07:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120912111040.DAOL24708.mta31.charter.net@imp10>; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:10:40 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id yBAg1j00L1F7hH505BAg2x; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:10:40 -0400 cv=qU9vTENroOq2s6i9/sTxZt9WOCoWX/XGfIT3Tj8F8dQ= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=-8x2VroOX4YA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=wrnlkVK_AAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=X1F7e8o3m0UhYPfxQ-sA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:10:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:10:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Rand E User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Why would I buy another, even if on sale, if I am unhappy with the first one? ;-0 On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Rand E wrote: > You can get the same horn at Harbor Freight on sale for about $20. > > Randy > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tim > To: Shop Talk List > Sent: Tue, September 11, 2012 3:08:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing > hazing > > I bought this one from summit: > > > > https://www.summitracing.com/myaccount/OrderDetails.aspx?CN=11901580&ON=4562433 > > DON'T BOTHER. It looks like a meaty horn but sounds like, as you said, > a pedal car. I am very disappointed. > > tim > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Ronnie Day wrote: > >> I worked on the headlights on our '05 Accord this weekend. I've used >> a >> couple of the commercial kits and I think the Meguiar's Heavy Duty >> kits is >> the best in my experience. It includes both 1000 and 3000 grit disks >> and a >> comfortable to use disk holder, along with a liquid polish and a >> sealer. >> There's also a soft cotton buffing disk for use with a drill that's >> about 3 >> inches across so it works well on all sizes and shapes of headlights. >> >> I expect the sealer helps maintain the clarity longer than you might >> get >> with just sanding and polishing. Our commute in through farm country >> and >> there's often a lot of "junk" in the air. In fact a year or so ago >> our '95 >> Odyssey started overheating for no apparent reason, Turned out that >> over >> several years the space between the AC condenser and rad had become >> full of >> this stuff floating around in the air. I'm sure it's somewhat >> abrasive on >> the headlights at 75 plus, too. Interesting to note that the >> headlights on >> the Odyssey are cast from harder plastic than the Accord. They're >> held up >> well but were also much improved after using the Maguier's kit on >> them, as >> were the headlights on our '93 GMC PU. >> >> I've noticed when driving our "new" '02 Suburban that the headlights >> leave >> much to be desired, but it looks like the outfit that was mentioned >> here on >> the list that was offering high output headlights is no longer in >> business. >> I'll dig around on Jeg's, LMC Truck and some of the Chev/GMC truck >> forums >> to see what I can find. I also want to improve the horn on the Sub. >> The OE >> unit sounds like it's from a pedal car! >> >> Ron >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM, PJ McGarvey >> wrote: >> >>> E _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 05:10:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BDC2D01C6 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6502A2D0275 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120912111231.DAZR24708.mta31.charter.net@imp10>; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:12:31 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id yBCX1j0081F7hH505BCXHy; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:12:31 -0400 cv=qU9vTENroOq2s6i9/sTxZt9WOCoWX/XGfIT3Tj8F8dQ= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=BB9WRhnhPBAA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=fLgsn-eVm_SbKoJqwlEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:12:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:12:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Scott User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Chasing down an auto wiring issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net When I say "fixture" I guess I should have said replaced the light itself. On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Scott wrote: > So just...snip the old one off and splice in a new one? > > On 9/11/2012 7:27 AM, Tim wrote: >> I would lean towards the bulb/fixture as well. My S10 also has these >> running lights. When one of mine went out the rest of the headlights >> worked fine. I replaced the fixture and all was fine. >> >> tim >> >> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Scott wrote: >> >>> Okay, it's in the shop, and you guys are probably better at this >>> than anyone else... >>> >>> My CTS daily driver has 'parking' lights in the headlight housing (I >>> don't know what else to call them--little white lights in the corner >>> of the housing...'marker' lights, maybe?). The driver's light is >>> out. It's not the bulb. The other lights in the housing work fine, >>> as does the passenger side marker light. >>> >>> I have no idea how to go about chasing this down. Short of >>> disassembling the car and examining or replacing the wire...I got >>> nothing. >>> >>> Any help? >>> >>> Thanks. > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 06:44:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84682D0287 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33492D024A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:43:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggnf4 with SMTP id f4so393715ggn.14 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:46:53 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mYqpSif5Q4plJzkdMx0nSdoB4470xucufoIRtZ4Q7h8=; b=HDzerTgmjroID7OE3o8S5VCo8w3aK7YCzJZmHQrNskt+kb2b5tywXQDEaOScoPsdOz c2xDPd7THbjGYUiTQSQZXPT8XFcqnxnNUh/QjryuDpf4GpbjA2oABFHHq1bpySPVCR6J 64gfc8mwlM9vM+PxHPcXZMVXqGm695IPL5OmzazjeyozVSZaZ1ZyhL9HIGaYped6YAYv QhJ2L7efM8dx3KlWdxYhR5bjWqlsCLzamux8sYcwt1dgjrn4Z+cTCWKwZLFqZaWW/mPh kyliDhIRoX2tNPYCGTaPpe7VcBjjI2g9Y2Pfl15G77VHNr9pIORO1QfarE0GXxnPuc4o jo9Q== Received: by 10.100.245.29 with SMTP id s29mr6188836anh.48.1347454013801; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (c-71-203-101-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. [71.203.101.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t39sm17504896anh.3.2012.09.12.05.46.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:46:47 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Tim References: <1cbee297.3e3e42.139ba2e299d.Webtop.48@charter.net> Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Chasing down an auto wiring issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The 'headlight housing' itself? On 9/12/2012 7:12 AM, Tim wrote: > When I say "fixture" I guess I should have said replaced the light > itself. > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Scott wrote: > >> So just...snip the old one off and splice in a new one? >> >> On 9/11/2012 7:27 AM, Tim wrote: >>> I would lean towards the bulb/fixture as well. My S10 also has these >>> running lights. When one of mine went out the rest of the headlights >>> worked fine. I replaced the fixture and all was fine. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 06:57:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C812D02AC for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:57:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm1-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BDA32D018E for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:53:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.30.22.93] by nm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 12:56:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.81] by tm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 12:56:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 12:56:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 71830 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2012 12:56:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347454586; bh=oycA99Z9M2Enf3kr871Oyog+VKFp44yx8ThhFso3Lvg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GB20xqSsxSIWXrJlSnt+O0cNc+L/7doNOrDmD1JdMeeVZBg+IgSSKxwg2uw2zSHrFfJeIsPXYHK2vT3Pmj5eq7aDJV3cNjgf80ubRAhxfqywQyga2w+wtLpyfedO6DkLSyCwmIEZlMkH/fddFoq7TSS3II8TDc9ZlxK8aZC32DM= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=etqOvCG4ffGMWIVsEUWFQ8o5nuo6U/hhR6pbw2fhwDVXFwY/2nKkdTc84DByv5ZUrBzJGsDOgtjBO93vzm2t5C4Fye4/2s9eJNOazNLkzckNS5K4yL1mT9yPrh8ztnEMqUgIKuHSEtd5/95HUUElfrNRkP427/JOA7f5JkGLBb8=; Qm8CLDWPafnZ99KZnD7JQQOS1QFWcexJdeFp9gG.0c9YAUSTBstRo69H_7og koHzzYktec.eqli9K7FkZaSmLpRBD9s2ksyRTce47bVqfk3IhzFhEksBM2qo HAWYqHeTcsizrPWA6HQws5_anG0OHYUBTCxoH22JHfcPfE3aRso3tYteOzw. jtRvbK4KwtCDp5IASPCpTcWa2HLXoBXba2DIAFmbGPCkEhizuZWDVMb2VvsO y1iw0J.OiL9B23JoB8U74CjKxYvTzMmDFXkvPjOaORYmc6dxIdmSvMnzQb8w CYL8nlhajDSPiQ3WVi8m3CcAjQt2tYISu_K2BlgGXPLDKYs.dlPV.kaYD.sI p2smg7KPqVdNFptstVPDlBO9j5pTD0E1t8jLmacx7n35qbhGGIjKjoBza..0 .c5cg4ZkV0gUEb6OZXct0L6LC6urQ9tI9tG2Khue7Ef16KCuoKFCdvuz0iZs xDW62eoshVFCTJwcs9HEG6wb7mw5WPEK.ylZSF8dqP..YLzGwT0t0bbXKnRA 8Kra2ri18RSx08rMQv5_kilBI_jeRJUjOHuQxRug75j5gInw2MN8Pku5XD1d RMT8- Received: from [66.143.52.89] by web184503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:56:25 PDT References: <597265d6.3e3e16.139ba2c7aa7.Webtop.48@charter.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:56:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Rand E To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'd be pissed too if I paid almost $50 for a $20 item. ________________________________ From: Tim To: Rand E Cc: Shop Talk List Sent: Wed, September 12, 2012 6:10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing Why would I buy another, even if on sale, if I am unhappy with the first one? ;-0 On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Rand E wrote: > You can get the same horn at Harbor Freight on sale for about $20. > > Randy > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tim > To: Shop Talk List > Sent: Tue, September 11, 2012 3:08:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing > > I bought this one from summit: > > > > https://www.summitracing.com/myaccount/OrderDetails.aspx?CN=11901580&ON=4562433 > > DON'T BOTHER. It looks like a meaty horn but sounds like, as you said, a pedal >car. I am very disappointed. > > tim > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Ronnie Day wrote: > >> I worked on the headlights on our '05 Accord this weekend. I've used a >> couple of the commercial kits and I think the Meguiar's Heavy Duty kits is >> the best in my experience. It includes both 1000 and 3000 grit disks and a >> comfortable to use disk holder, along with a liquid polish and a sealer. >> There's also a soft cotton buffing disk for use with a drill that's about 3 >> inches across so it works well on all sizes and shapes of headlights. >> >> I expect the sealer helps maintain the clarity longer than you might get >> with just sanding and polishing. Our commute in through farm country and >> there's often a lot of "junk" in the air. In fact a year or so ago our '95 >> Odyssey started overheating for no apparent reason, Turned out that over >> several years the space between the AC condenser and rad had become full of >> this stuff floating around in the air. I'm sure it's somewhat abrasive on >> the headlights at 75 plus, too. Interesting to note that the headlights on >> the Odyssey are cast from harder plastic than the Accord. They're held up >> well but were also much improved after using the Maguier's kit on them, as >> were the headlights on our '93 GMC PU. >> >> I've noticed when driving our "new" '02 Suburban that the headlights leave >> much to be desired, but it looks like the outfit that was mentioned here on >> the list that was offering high output headlights is no longer in business. >> I'll dig around on Jeg's, LMC Truck and some of the Chev/GMC truck forums >> to see what I can find. I also want to improve the horn on the Sub. The OE >> unit sounds like it's from a pedal car! >> >> Ron >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: >> >>> E _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 07:21:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92762D028A for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEEB2D0223 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:21:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120912132421.FKSA10966.mta11.charter.net@imp10>; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:24:21 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id yDQM1j00S1F7hH505DQMBy; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:24:21 -0400 cv=qU9vTENroOq2s6i9/sTxZt9WOCoWX/XGfIT3Tj8F8dQ= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=-8x2VroOX4YA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=ybZZDoGAAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=wrnlkVK_AAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=gFu2V03vJDi7YkM55egA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=qIVjreYYsbEA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:24:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:24:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Rand E User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I didn't pay $50 for it. I paid around $25 after shipping with my discount. And I am pissed at the tone of the horn. Are we done? On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Rand E wrote: > I'd be pissed too if I paid almost $50 for a $20 item. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tim > To: Rand E > Cc: Shop Talk List > Sent: Wed, September 12, 2012 6:10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing > hazing > > Why would I buy another, even if on sale, if I am unhappy with the > first one? ;-0 > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Rand E wrote: > >> You can get the same horn at Harbor Freight on sale for about $20. >> >> Randy >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Tim >> To: Shop Talk List >> Sent: Tue, September 11, 2012 3:08:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing >> hazing >> >> I bought this one from summit: >> >> >> >> > > https://www.summitracing.com/myaccount/OrderDetails.aspx?CN=11901580&ON=4562433 >> >> DON'T BOTHER. It looks like a meaty horn but sounds like, as you >> said, a pedal car. I am very disappointed. >> >> tim >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Ronnie Day wrote: >> >>> I worked on the headlights on our '05 Accord this weekend. I've used >>> a >>> couple of the commercial kits and I think the Meguiar's Heavy Duty >>> kits is >>> the best in my experience. It includes both 1000 and 3000 grit disks >>> and a >>> comfortable to use disk holder, along with a liquid polish and a >>> sealer. >>> There's also a soft cotton buffing disk for use with a drill that's >>> about 3 >>> inches across so it works well on all sizes and shapes of >>> headlights. >>> >>> I expect the sealer helps maintain the clarity longer than you might >>> get >>> with just sanding and polishing. Our commute in through farm country >>> and >>> there's often a lot of "junk" in the air. In fact a year or so ago >>> our '95 >>> Odyssey started overheating for no apparent reason, Turned out that >>> over >>> several years the space between the AC condenser and rad had become >>> full of >>> this stuff floating around in the air. I'm sure it's somewhat >>> abrasive on >>> the headlights at 75 plus, too. Interesting to note that the >>> headlights on >>> the Odyssey are cast from harder plastic than the Accord. They're >>> held up >>> well but were also much improved after using the Maguier's kit on >>> them, as >>> were the headlights on our '93 GMC PU. >>> >>> I've noticed when driving our "new" '02 Suburban that the headlights >>> leave >>> much to be desired, but it looks like the outfit that was mentioned >>> here on >>> the list that was offering high output headlights is no longer in >>> business. >>> I'll dig around on Jeg's, LMC Truck and some of the Chev/GMC truck >>> forums >>> to see what I can find. I also want to improve the horn on the Sub. >>> The OE >>> unit sounds like it's from a pedal car! >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM, PJ McGarvey >>> wrote: >>> >>>> E > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 12 13:23:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517D12D028C for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F0C122D0275 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.52.191] by nm26.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 19:22:06 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.105] by tm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 19:22:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2012 19:22:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 15979 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Sep 2012 19:22:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347477726; bh=dfYB8y0rpqbBO+Z63yVm0Hi8j4Alx2OC/zKKdilcsLo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k9KrvtiaD9OLrWg1XmY3wJvOr5PAu+++WgKHlmntgsML+HvKebjIl3Oyh74HfWZbi6Opq1ZXQ192fbb2exQlF4VGdkZv75qeTVwyeLIc/9NArImpACRsGT9a5KG2+I3pMJa2LabmLiN2H5L3oizXxu/kqRu4XkpODr6RLpg/1o0= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6R24mR9+OyIW7nfRgezEdDh+MlSL6Xco1KcaFSN1sCWdX9lf3IrOrkRB+k4KqFTbW6Om0Qmp8snEE68zwjtddum6Unwx6kLxiYbS8HVod/Npf95eE2JyMb0nSNSn93KSB5uVivewWS25XU5YvEsPtoMgB62h9QhKaKfwCZmiCzY=; .yRlVw0axPI0Lui2XT4oQ1tNDySKPIto4vpK8.u0KZZzOyHrFGs9hy7Qny1G xpuqIZ98BUwzKf2Rd5QMPeCHtCuesTtYet3GkHNZts23JPMHvnUQncSDhWrh T4OWUNzhdYErcS5cIvephEZqs66uncQhReI8LzZUPHtnglTw8GSqScHwIZG_ fU2r3ggkoUNKc_5YwaSCZEsUXUMH.8ASPblrUqWxY4rasStL.uB4cl.6mlGb xEfGbahaAlIBsNbgtfld5v4ru04wRoVng.TIO_TqINwSK3kmiBs.4Zzygz7P KBpSt9hTBmS2z3oEhzBOzi0zCXkMAHzjMA0cNvAe69PBf7ki33MbyoIGSq.6 .koGhQN552RjCi0dZ6QQs.zQQMEMeW31TgWXFxKgjkBHLZtcYOlQ2FCvs_QS fZf42K6Au2Tkgo.LGZvqy6GN5trUULP9rzIpO9iojpI5BO4bCedq9C70IKRo 5PL99zwYdoSKX.3L81XShFCHcyLumFvy3eGNBZkO5yDWKW3LE7EwBxsQJLnX Wq1IlQ9s_8h8aD5yCKHbi2UBjinWSW0xRoPuGT_SI_pg7s66QO9gF6d5lVQv 0SEhOUTklPqdKall5IwyM.Yyn8CkywU0Z_fmXbajU_ugnUsgcIcc- Received: from [12.167.75.11] by web184502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:22:05 PDT References: <6aabea78.3e52f6.139baa6dee2.Webtop.48@charter.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Rand E To: Tim Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I was done a long time ago. Unless you want to continue something??? ________________________________ From: Tim To: Rand E Cc: Shop Talk List Sent: Wed, September 12, 2012 8:24:35 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing I didn't pay $50 for it. I paid around $25 after shipping with my discount. And I am pissed at the tone of the horn. Are we done? On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Rand E wrote: > I'd be pissed too if I paid almost $50 for a $20 item. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tim > To: Rand E > Cc: Shop Talk List > Sent: Wed, September 12, 2012 6:10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing > > Why would I buy another, even if on sale, if I am unhappy with the first one? >;-0 > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Rand E wrote: > >> You can get the same horn at Harbor Freight on sale for about $20. >> >> Randy >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Tim >> To: Shop Talk List >> Sent: Tue, September 11, 2012 3:08:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] aftermarket horn...was Headlight housing hazing >> >> I bought this one from summit: >> >> >> >> > > https://www.summitracing.com/myaccount/OrderDetails.aspx?CN=11901580&ON=4562433 >> >> DON'T BOTHER. It looks like a meaty horn but sounds like, as you said, a pedal >>car. I am very disappointed. >> >> tim >> >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Ronnie Day wrote: >> >>> I worked on the headlights on our '05 Accord this weekend. I've used a >>> couple of the commercial kits and I think the Meguiar's Heavy Duty kits is >>> the best in my experience. It includes both 1000 and 3000 grit disks and a >>> comfortable to use disk holder, along with a liquid polish and a sealer. >>> There's also a soft cotton buffing disk for use with a drill that's about 3 >>> inches across so it works well on all sizes and shapes of headlights. >>> >>> I expect the sealer helps maintain the clarity longer than you might get >>> with just sanding and polishing. Our commute in through farm country and >>> there's often a lot of "junk" in the air. In fact a year or so ago our '95 >>> Odyssey started overheating for no apparent reason, Turned out that over >>> several years the space between the AC condenser and rad had become full of >>> this stuff floating around in the air. I'm sure it's somewhat abrasive on >>> the headlights at 75 plus, too. Interesting to note that the headlights on >>> the Odyssey are cast from harder plastic than the Accord. They're held up >>> well but were also much improved after using the Maguier's kit on them, as >>> were the headlights on our '93 GMC PU. >>> >>> I've noticed when driving our "new" '02 Suburban that the headlights leave >>> much to be desired, but it looks like the outfit that was mentioned here on >>> the list that was offering high output headlights is no longer in business. >>> I'll dig around on Jeg's, LMC Truck and some of the Chev/GMC truck forums >>> to see what I can find. I also want to improve the horn on the Sub. The OE >>> unit sounds like it's from a pedal car! >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: >>> >>>> E > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mistertwo@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 01:41:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED982D02C2 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:41:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DED12D02BF for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDE62E024 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:41:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:41:40 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] What fun! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net So it is raining in my office. Well, maybe just a few small streams, but the dishwasher up above me in the kitchen seems to be leaking, and leaking badly. Gosh, didn't we recently have a discussion about dishwasher drain lines? Wonder what I'll work on tomorrow. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 05:48:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7552D02E4 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 05:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71232D02D8 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 05:48:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl17 with SMTP id fl17so650975vcb.14 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 04:51:19 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=WR5JoGEZZCpkWrhjQKtlTP3jXMdrfwpq9a2eFy6Q8nE=; b=QQ96RJt+FhXpyT2JjhPpYkKF8EQrqKJ+er+6G520155pP4reG3ztaRU+cEQRc9lDAu CPX/9VPe6BpDF9N1bXWMspfVq9Wlj08KAbRaz4M69AGhwRbjuCgQqhHCFUgRz2MUJ3aG tan5Gk+k5r3ql5A4SSbYQsilXw5avLaIfBAR6iOoW/g5CAXXAojGBzIgqo7ZOyfwediV AlRmNHJC+I8+ohVmZSMZf14nxVA/I/J5QPC3AQPRx4U1e7hBDVjJWEGz1AubeTUVzYiS ZaVA+Z923/xAMcGqmGxN/aC5TfphTzQw4U/p+saxSTNJdhXqBH2dnbwUFkEVbrtSyhR8 41mQ== Received: by 10.52.21.179 with SMTP id w19mr888632vde.58.1347537079521; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 04:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.14.179 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 04:51:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <50518E34.40806@bradakis.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 07:51:19 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What fun! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A few years ago we started our GE dishwasher before going to bed, and it decided to try filling all night. This turned our finished basement into an indoor swimming pool. We replaced the dishwasher with a Miele. Their models (and ones by Bosch and other European makers) have a drip tray with a water sensor, so they will shut off the water if there is any overflow. Also, the solenoid valve that controls the water is on the end of the input hose, and attaches directly to the plumbing. This means that none of the machine's internal plumbing is pressurized when the machine is not actually filling. It cost more than an average dishwasher, but the additional cost was much less than we had to spend fixing the basement... Doug On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > So it is raining in my office. Well, maybe just a few small streams, but > the dishwasher > up above me in the kitchen seems to be leaking, and leaking badly. Gosh, > didn't we > recently have a discussion about dishwasher drain lines? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 06:22:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669E52C0D1A for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 06:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 838B72D02B1 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 06:18:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2012 12:21:27 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.107] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2012 12:21:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2012 12:21:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 52052 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Sep 2012 12:21:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347538886; bh=V87JzLBgT6F7R2QYoU6niO1kIqnpv2iFjQxMa0Kcz1c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2d2QHtWcmv5Xh/J8YkQXe8oy1fPmmR0b/IbfpMc/6VA5zAKiUQ2nV9mEVdEPooP77LoVZa1I5QWoY0DApYMKfyoJ5ZhMzxxC/i5+2TAdWPrMJOiHFfL8Fo6bMmymzA9xYJv43vIQ+uVV39KNfs5uLqzyAvk5pn1+mJSkVaKrhHQ= s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QXzlaCBM+OcQG5Fu3g0o7FxuICDFuxR5rXH5Z6TQGy1x5lhvzR19bD4EYFCL3Zmd2WsylSl/TMPzkmUbp+IlPWrPBGlTCpKl66PqI14MvmqbMIDXt/gBA556R64lebuXCrNLhgjfcl/2+lH8xNWLD2ZSvvqCEX5/WYoO73vqQCY=; gt9M7EIZBCscMrM_GetNlLxftQx166GuRhG_L1OZ5_dKbnOPG_hZxIxJGmTc VWwIpbBA5WLgtMiqlQpRQbgZSgpKB6wztK55_Axufo9RLFIEqqWNiyAWagzT DtK2IRwdJWkUV8xUvsb5G5U1u02r4.zEQtGR7ttus3lhfllbUsWhyXnKLVyY RRvUv9qp5G1c0seHmXoZdf7T5xRtArC4Nb3ZmaPLRfjexdTjwDq.aWpJcNlF rWj.3atYJIzncWqAM4wCiSUM0M.ODOSrWG25_0NictZyd2hv1IEPGMX2u4Vg 4z66d49W2j7H_9oRmSYh6KETmQemfdkprl6kapF2cJaZpn4ryJ5U9a7r21R2 36F2wxgcSxHbf7gQlm.dpQtU- Received: from [70.193.128.131] by web181502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 05:21:26 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 05:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john niolon To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] mojack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net bought a new ZTR mower last season and love it... but it's getting to the time when service will be needed... blade sharpening and such... been looking at the Mo-Jack mower lift systems and they look pretty neat... although somewhat expensive... anyone have any experience pro/con with them??... anyone ever build a contraption like this ?? sold my a-frame this year (dummy) and really don't have a safe way to lift this ZTR and get under it without my wife cashing in my life insurance... thanks John A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects!...Lazarus Long _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 12:47:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8B72D0320 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDAE2D0311 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q8DIkR1K047955; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:46:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 14:46:21 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: Mark J Bradakis , Shop Talk List References: <50518E34.40806@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What fun! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/13/2012 3:41 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > So it is raining in my office. Well, maybe just a few small streams, but > the dishwasher > up above me in the kitchen seems to be leaking, and leaking badly. Gosh, > didn't we > recently have a discussion about dishwasher drain lines? C'mon Mark, you're the list admin. You of all people should know to make an obligatory comment about running car parts through the dishwasher to feign being "on topic" :) I went through three different rental places in 13 years as a kid, and every one had the same crappy sub $200 G.E. dishwasher. Then nearly 11 years ago, at 35 bought my first home. The dishwasher has a "Kenmore" badge on it, BUT IT'S THE SAME !@#$ G.E. POS! Arrrggghhh! I took it apart once to clean out mold and debris that was clogging the pump and drain (unrelated to the car parts I'd run through it.) And neglected to replace a gasket I'd taken out in the process, causing it to leak through the floor and onto my bench and tool box in the garage below :( I think they should all have some kinda tray or liner under them, so any leaks come out into the room and are immediately visible. I'll probably use the vinyl stuff they put in shower stall floors if I ever replace it. Would love to replace it, but now I'm single & poor and hardly use the thing anyway. Bosch is supposed to make really nice washers, and most come out of a domestic factory here in North Carolina. I have access to Consumer Reports online site, if you'd like me to pull their ratings & reports for ya'. (I value their opinion, but do not consider them an ultimate authority, particularly on some specialty products where I strongly disagree with their conclusions.) -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Thu Sep 13 13:38:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403812D0311 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622E02D0308 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yauP1j00E1HpZEsA1jhNW6; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:41:22 +0000 Received: from sz0054.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yjhM1j00G2xZMJ48ajhMhe; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:41:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:41:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Bob Spidell To: Wayne Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] What fun! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Happened on this in one of my av mags: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/drippan24.php -------------------------------- Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA ----- Original Message ----- On 9/13/2012 3:41 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > So it is raining in my office. Well, maybe just a few small streams, but > the dishwasher > up above me in the kitchen seems to be leaking, and leaking badly. Gosh, > didn't we > recently have a discussion about dishwasher drain lines? C'mon Mark, you're the list admin. You of all people should know to make an obligatory comment about running car parts through the dishwasher to feign being "on topic" :) I went through three different rental places in 13 years as a kid, and every one had the same crappy sub $200 G.E. dishwasher. Then nearly 11 years ago, at 35 bought my first home. The dishwasher has a "Kenmore" badge on it, BUT IT'S THE SAME !@#$ G.E. POS! Arrrggghhh! I took it apart once to clean out mold and debris that was clogging the pump and drain (unrelated to the car parts I'd run through it.) And neglected to replace a gasket I'd taken out in the process, causing it to leak through the floor and onto my bench and tool box in the garage below :( I think they should all have some kinda tray or liner under them, so any leaks come out into the room and are immediately visible. I'll probably use the vinyl stuff they put in shower stall floors if I ever replace it. Would love to replace it, but now I'm single & poor and hardly use the thing anyway. Bosch is supposed to make really nice washers, and most come out of a domestic factory here in North Carolina. I have access to Consumer Reports online site, if you'd like me to pull their ratings & reports for ya'. (I value their opinion, but do not consider them an ultimate authority, particularly on some specialty products where I strongly disagree with their conclusions.) -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 05:42:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF32D2D035B for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:42:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D414F2D0346 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:39:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iec9 with SMTP id 9so8452896iec.14 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:42:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5lrWXfEvJE65FwOwarZZygOuqwDYiTKF45CnmlyfnII=; b=v5XOOj6KyZ9OHH+JVVnwNsO8WoKG/XuyvojaEqyQs9Gpi1hkYOoVZ6kdI7XuC07Spi orfA6NiZ3b1R/FMV0yCgrJZJQ/RhlKF+BzH6/W75o1K+bYPaGjbBQodx3wWx+dYAifwM rqpw78fUQNwH8QdEQXhIHg24TNCFlU75Tb24FspfuF3xaVvGKICkkwd3Huf6DNFw8IEJ 04pJOY0OWzFwXbZvUm22jSgjMr4m75eweQMjOR+ou0aaeQIjdUcHbZs001KSw7z1T5Va jeiKq8yXaFXa002RLcnYEpmKk0ve59JjSVkJ37VP9zstn6gi6vIZh44yXXEltNx0EF6X mrDQ== Received: by 10.43.45.200 with SMTP id ul8mr2243469icb.36.1347622929329; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.25.48 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:42:09 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Hazard Fraught Tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Might be off-topic, or might just be good for a laugh. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146306 I know I've bought some of those... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 05:50:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670E92D038A for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:50:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6662D0359 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120914115314.LJET10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:53:14 -0400 Received: from wt05 ([209.225.8.45]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id yztE1j00G0yHwtd05ztE5y; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:53:14 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=F-E76qtFHFsA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=t3DSDFesAAAA:8 a=Ls5OgGEeaGP4mFiS8MUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=-I-4GJ5yloEA:10 a=5grAsTrgvaYA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:53:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:53:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hazard Fraught Tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Brilliant! I need that nail unbender! On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Might be off-topic, or might just be good for a laugh. > > http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146306 > > I know I've bought some of those... > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Fri Sep 14 20:52:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D012C2D0376 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:52:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720F82D031E for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by out02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 15 Sep 2012 02:55:21 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-157-250.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.157.250]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0309617CD9; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 02:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 19:55:22 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Tim References: <3652c8dd.3fa1f1.139c4a02b1e.Webtop.45@charter.net> Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hazard Fraught Tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I think I saw the dreidel in a recent Lee Valley catalog. Or maybe Garrett Wade. On 9/14/2012 4:53 AM, Tim wrote: > Brilliant! I need that nail unbender! > > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > >> Might be off-topic, or might just be good for a laugh. >> >> http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146306 >> >> I know I've bought some of those... >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 15 08:27:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA0B2D0375 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A46E22D0330 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2012 14:03:31 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.113] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2012 14:03:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2012 14:03:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 6651 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2012 14:03:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; b=fYp2wV9425yYWU1dDjjiAwbrHMVTg7Yav90F0Izrn+kq3tUsid2Xrxr0ywG7vnh6BKw20fDAmhcuGKgIExV18ZGz8FCh9ybPShFB5HJIF6WDjlFc24YVyD977IynLwir1QEBOS/bAqC2haIPyBYmxq80wd3KWON/4ARACD+cQ+U= ; s=s1024; t=1347717811; bh=GvMSQKF8E+pWXG0yhOa2EBRjEiugoP1h1lo9RonxDII=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=alZDOTd0tCVy7+TW6BTURGWCcbEB5ycp0Vuy9ELFLZRnanRFfoy/dW+BAdLDPU/B+UD2+buxn6ESXvo6M7zTfWbctmxoz3dIQL99A05CxZ5CBL3C86sLwSh1IG2JId2nPrQTtqyMi1dcvcpZqT/gU6WbClsWyMmJGhIFDINqh7k= XjkceJ_AeRm22WNAAoEMCnV3xnGM8IVxDz9jFurJuaGaHjZLp75MdmLnV3XH .LI2ChjlaGeKQTEpBbcIH0NXTYkh2H7eISDUiOzOZS9eDaokwmwR2Rti.tKn zSlccSEcW9Jszde8Y4_5L4YxnDzjqFEY0qs6Q.JKtcc0ojvOVgFaNL4tEcn. uN.J0UIc8ajaMHY2SYb9xP7FZ8f8dlOHjaFB_eJiOZH98IeqK2k9AOT.TWFl lW58AH.By3wMzgIc3T62qShJj8964kNLc20U1aw.Glpzti9tGGN00TomOySe oEoi9WKEgUiSEK.8JKOT1Z_BjR1b7HKeKgNyB9741_19RhXaQwH0qQCARl56 i56dfTS4QHQjQ3eHpwP1cPsryVpLBmEZyFQv6CXM_FnM5eqEvsSBVp_SPrwT wGw8- Received: from Karl (kvacek@75.22.16.223 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2012 07:03:31 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Shop Talk'" References: <3652c8dd.3fa1f1.139c4a02b1e.Webtop.45@charter.net> <5053EE1A.7040101@frontier.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:03:25 -0500 Thread-Index: AQHD10Z3kK9CtFQEUSPhs2/f3vuUAgDH2quZl5il5nA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Hazard Fraught Tools Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Excellent - best laugh of the month at least. Gotta read all the fine print too - it's hysterical. Having spent my high school and college years poring over the Warshawsky catalog (J.C. Whitney if you're not from Chicago), this brilliant piece makes me realize that Harbor Freight catalogs have taken their place in the galaxy of time wasters. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 12:25:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCD22D0376 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:25:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36342C0D35 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:21:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D405F2E02B for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:27:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:27:04 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This dishwasher would be easy to fix IF I could roll it out a few inches. I've disconnected everything I can see, but it still seems to be hung up on something near the top of the back. Grrr.. Must be time to hit the recliner and watch some football, relax before I break something. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 12:31:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6B92D02DD for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:31:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA792C0D18 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so943242ied.14 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:33:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=92wi9JqWl+V2ky/xsdz+y07njFJJQiD5/e+jz0K5CVc=; b=jljHUrJW81zii2ilUxe/Jhtc6mErOQloB2FphCHmw5dRtc7B7SyrCbKYkh307SKhW3 RHVNBkSGitdeOS5DgVhn+oHugHlVVrQP8CkRJEGW4UO2mBNYQ/CuxffOk5S/EOs9zr4P 9Z2bRp79chp9fVHQeIM5Eb0RUw1Aik7gwgQITWUYUeXqOC0n+6bkEO7iVw+/xSed7lxW zn/A3ygT5CztGD8lkxZfBeEsDLu/A7+QWTQVa6ZHTVeSw0pY3lA4RawgzqFcCxIL7Bg4 ce7MuBGYOHbDqmjU8Jda/Dq+lE7PVjh/sRaENV3GdFnNsv93CbGMynrLOocWJU9aTG1P 41ag== Received: by 10.42.35.82 with SMTP id p18mr7187199icd.15.1347820437130; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.25.48 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:33:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <505619F8.6070601@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:33:57 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You may need to lower the feet at the front, and unscrew the bracket if there is one (top center front). Also, the drain hose should be looped high at the side before it goes down to the drain/disposer. You might check that... On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > This dishwasher would be easy to fix IF I could roll it out a few inches. > I've disconnected everything I can see, but it still seems to be hung up on > something near the top of the back. Grrr.. > > Must be time to hit the recliner and watch some football, relax before I > break something. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 12:31:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1CD2D0202 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:31:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C5C2C0CE1 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B3528405C for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:34:37 -0700 (PDT) content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=beNaMPTcUcQTqNxXgPqgyRc2MVI=; b=LPNUIsxX+O+G HQ+w+KTov21HV+tO0fq52/6RFzu6d6sArGg4qO70d5VllPwJSjeCqnVwZlteLT56 FUi4HgLA/hRAQsI5tN7jQm0kl/v8qBW/n9drKXBiqNW/xpr1YkQwoGGazw5FbEAP nnNZE/D1LDjDDxhQROl3PmjF6OvRZl0= Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-98-118-108-121.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.108.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED42E28405B for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 14:34:35 -0400 References: <505619F8.6070601@bradakis.com> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Supply, drain, electric. Usually 2 screws at the top front to keep it from faceplanting when you open the door. Are you sure it's at the top back? If so, could it be a lip of some sort getting hung up behind the countertop that might not be flush to the wall? Did you try wheelie-ing it to drop the top of the back? Did they put the drain loop behind the DW instead on under the sink? Hard to do with the DW already in place but maybe the adjacent cabinet went in afterwards. Countertop sage from steam? Can you use a plunger to raise it while a lovely assistant pulls on the DW? jim On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > This dishwasher would be easy to fix IF I could roll it out a few inches. > I've disconnected everything I can see, but it still seems to be hung up on > something near the top of the back. Grrr.. > > Must be time to hit the recliner and watch some football, relax before I > break something. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sun Sep 16 13:31:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F072D01CC for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:31:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BFA2D01C9 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:31:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E7F2E06E for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:36:26 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: shop-talk List References: <505619F8.6070601@bradakis.com> <36D26C0C-97B0-40A3-9B6D-8E5D46047BE6@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well the pleasant stroll down to the convenience store to pick up a sunday paper did the trick. Got home, went back to the dishwasher and immediately spotted another anti faceplant bracket I hadn't seen before. I feel much better now. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 11:15:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C492D04C2 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:15:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633C32D046F for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:11:15 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:05:51 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/17/2012 13:05:55, Serialize complete at 09/17/2012 13:05:55 Subject: [Shop-talk] Fw: [HackettstownNJ] OFFER: MGB & MGA auto parts (Long Valley, NJ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I know most of you are MG guys. This was just posted to my local Freecycle. (Means they are offering these for free.) Contact them if you are interested. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson ----- Forwarded by Eric Petrevich/Megageek on 09/17/2012 01:09 PM ----- "JoeKeyes" <23989405@posts.freecycle.org> Sent by: My Freecycle 09/17/2012 01:03 PM To "inchman" cc Subject [HackettstownNJ] OFFER: MGB & MGA auto parts (Long Valley, NJ) OFFER: MGB & MGA auto parts MGB & A parts, all in serviceable or rebuild-able condition. MGB 5-main engine & parts: Stripped short block (no cylinder head) in good condition, surface rust Two 5-main cranks, 1 in usable condition, the other has slight scoring on #3 connecting rod journal Four pistons connecting rods Camshaft, CB>-grind, timing chain sprocket and new bearing set Flywheel & rear plate Exhaust manifold Two carbs & manifold Water pump Oil Pump Timing cover Distributor (set up for Webber carbs) Miscellaneous engine parts MGA parts Valve cover, original MGA, needs re-painting 4 2-earred knock- offs (fine thread) 4 wire-wheels + tires (used, but still in good condition) C"b,b wheels need rebuilding/retuning Steering wheel & centerpiece C"b,B&and other miscellaneous MG parts View all items Make a post Contact your Group Moderators Switch to digest email Unsubscribe from emails Leave the local Group [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 17:58:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578D72D0658 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20412D0622 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.194] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 00:01:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.49] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 00:01:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 00:01:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347926496; bh=SI+zGJS7knsOc2cmzU7cWxh4e5DPvg9XIKTbwyMgqrQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=JXoUxgdJaR9kan5aRS/zGxl6klimY2UMS9VA9Pz1FdPdacm5dV6wyMkskN81sUlHSfWFhG2X4LFB7cBZO6dqLRe8oBOX8kFAH35jFT4eSt8jRsXex28WxdfBg6evyOll62/8RlSW0cpQ2741+moWjVI7DxHeaZb3mi4EvFuSq2M= ySYNLEgnxwI50Tx7ta.0RBsA28YLFtL6I1fuml_hZAtJqgJh_ySUPgmnXmhR zwjwAN.Q_MnzvaZ376zgdIciFxnSC3iqwGr2Qgr17sWWgYvr2bZ3mXMirJq4 RdsFt7YG0jblcSpu9g.WO3mcYjMd7MTbDAAab9WOq.D6X_.YFCrdBfpPB1IY ldu8xqVKsjxuBV_fCmiC7cXaohDfcV3GKAq0U_I6XxSLtCB9.kvLA2XcLAug waADm0H0hnvQA7_VXMsNwJKAs0MiX0G6Ii6dGgKWqzeH58fpsyN1QLb2jxvU F0M0R63plKYujBW0qPENuLBos7nbf_1CAdqYFhf202MZ5hroqdtCofEU7v1b IBRPejogPEZ0RVJhmZNQ3lcHArrjkC6tJqjb9FD938yK8BXtO4xhfvjb8oUc _4Rafl9cdQXMOIIFHCm6oY9_D8V0j.m76fvTt0rl17A-- Received: from EntCentPC (jibjib@97.113.56.210 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2012 17:01:36 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:01:32 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2U+ID10MW8eEz7Tsmw0KmBSf2OkAAN3QtA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: [HackettstownNJ] OFFER: MGB & MGA auto parts (Long Valley, NJ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Eric, Some of us, including the big guy behind the curtain, take offense to being called MG guys. Jack 1960 Triumph TR3 1980 Triumph TR8 ps - Hey, it's like the Ford-Chevy thing. . . . . . -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of eric@megageek.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:06 AM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Fw: [HackettstownNJ] OFFER: MGB & MGA auto parts (Long Valley, NJ) I know most of you are MG guys. This was just posted to my local Freecycle. (Means they are offering these for free.) Contact them if you are interested. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson ----- Forwarded by Eric Petrevich/Megageek on 09/17/2012 01:09 PM ----- "JoeKeyes" <23989405@posts.freecycle.org> Sent by: My Freecycle 09/17/2012 01:03 PM To "inchman" cc Subject [HackettstownNJ] OFFER: MGB & MGA auto parts (Long Valley, NJ) OFFER: MGB & MGA auto parts MGB & A parts, all in serviceable or rebuild-able condition. MGB 5-main engine & parts: Stripped short block (no cylinder head) in good condition, surface rust Two 5-main cranks, 1 in usable condition, the other has slight scoring on #3 connecting rod journal Four pistons connecting rods Camshaft, CB>-grind, timing chain sprocket and new bearing set Flywheel & rear plate Exhaust manifold Two carbs & manifold Water pump Oil Pump Timing cover Distributor (set up for Webber carbs) Miscellaneous engine parts MGA parts Valve cover, original MGA, needs re-painting 4 2-earred knock- offs (fine thread) 4 wire-wheels + tires (used, but still in good condition) C"b,b wheels need rebuilding/retuning Steering wheel & centerpiece C"b,B&and other miscellaneous MG parts View all items Make a post Contact your Group Moderators Switch to digest email Unsubscribe from emails Leave the local Group [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 18:09:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB772D0634 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437152D0624 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7732E054 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: [HackettstownNJ] OFFER: MGB & MGA auto parts (Long Valley, NJ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jack Brooks wrote: > Eric, > > Some of us, including the big guy behind the curtain, take offense to being > called MG guys. > > I've mentioned before that I wonder if my life would have been different had my middle name been George. mJb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 18:25:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB832D0636 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:25:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5FC2D0457 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:25:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0Q8P1k0080lTkoCA2QUHd3; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:28:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.6.87.30]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0QUF1k00W0fGaMC8QQUGcw; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:28:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:28:13 -0700 From: Bob Spidell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Mark J Bradakis References: <5057BC66.4040506@bradakis.com> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: [HackettstownNJ] OFFER: MGB & MGA auto parts (Long Valley, NJ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Instead of Jaguar? On 9/17/2012 5:12 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Jack Brooks wrote: >> Eric, >> >> Some of us, including the big guy behind the curtain, take offense to being >> called MG guys. >> >> > > I've mentioned before that I wonder if my life would have been different > had my middle name been George. > > mJb. > _______________________________________________ > > -- ******************************************************************* Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 18:32:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568B42D0624 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:32:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D012D04ED for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:32:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by oagj6 with SMTP id j6so6663070oag.14 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:35:54 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=CpWa4o3vPHoikjaM9qvr9QKwACDaruuxb0eriIBr/s4=; b=kJt7jAs1Grjr0OKh+AbAsP/9aQOe6mV2xWRJlJqvtSKlpg+n3K9QFMwyyFNveM0jSR uaKOwjnz5L4SDcMQg2UkXlrnbWrgeQ3cWZmg//RmeBPWoQ0lVijE7R1bnmjQXgMAcGo9 20LPMG6XjUEqSNnHm3EdBKss2Q4dbP4k5KqzmPMU6zbKTn70HQASTCZaPctxnnjmpVHM y/y4sHhGGUhbT4l/0S6vwBidpr8IRFVXsVUQMAQ76izp/T5kXsDJ+emn0PbO10aYqXHO YX7AOG5w9bm6anV5jrmhbWBZ6lCAUHA9D06gER39mXp0YqwOtE0lIb02l6uhUfn2GMCS A3SA== Received: by 10.60.25.226 with SMTP id f2mr13285636oeg.53.1347928553759; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.2.44 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:35:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <505619F8.6070601@bradakis.com> <36D26C0C-97B0-40A3-9B6D-8E5D46047BE6@groupwbench.org> <50562A3A.5060502@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:35:53 -0700 From: Berry Kercheval To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net An old friend used to say that when you got stuck, you should stop, consume some "prayer fluid" and wait for inspiration from the Gods of Home (or Auto) Repair. "Prayer Fluid" is made primarily from malted barley, hops, yeast and water. Amazing how often it worked. On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Well the pleasant stroll down to the convenience store to pick up a sunday > paper did the trick. Got home, went back to the dishwasher and > immediately > spotted another anti faceplant bracket I hadn't seen before. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 18:59:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB582D062E for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3FA2D05E5 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:59:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A962E07D for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:05:15 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: shop-talk List References: <505619F8.6070601@bradakis.com> <36D26C0C-97B0-40A3-9B6D-8E5D46047BE6@groupwbench.org> <50562A3A.5060502@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Berry Kercheval wrote: > An old friend used to say that when you got stuck, you should stop, > consume some "prayer fluid" and wait for inspiration from the Gods of > Home (or Auto) Repair. > > "Prayer Fluid" is made primarily from malted barley, hops, yeast and > water. > > Amazing how often it worked. Yes indeed. And working on this dishwasher is a lot like working on my Triumphs. A breaks. I fix A, it disturbs B. I fix B, it disturbs C. I fix C ... mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 19:20:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8082D0624 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F362D0639 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:20:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0Qbp1k0031u4NiLACRPAsJ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:23:10 +0000 Received: from [10.170.182.70] ([166.147.93.179]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0RNf1k00K3sBjyW8hRNma7; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:23:04 +0000 References: <505619F8.6070601@bradakis.com> <36D26C0C-97B0-40A3-9B6D-8E5D46047BE6@groupwbench.org> <50562A3A.5060502@bradakis.com> <5057C8CB.3010903@bradakis.com> Cc: shop-talk List From: Bill Rabel Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:22:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That's not prayer fluid. I call that a "brown wrench", a critical tool for many tasks. On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Berry Kercheval wrote: >> An old friend used to say that when you got stuck, you should stop, consume some "prayer fluid" and wait for inspiration from the Gods of Home (or Auto) Repair. >> >> "Prayer Fluid" is made primarily from malted barley, hops, yeast and water. >> >> Amazing how often it worked. > > Yes indeed. And working on this dishwasher is a lot like working on my Triumphs. > > A breaks. > > I fix A, it disturbs B. > > I fix B, it disturbs C. > > I fix C ... > > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/brabel@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 19:41:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBAF2C0C86 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D50F2C0D04 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4328C2E09E for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:44:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:43:49 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net References: <5057BC66.4040506@bradakis.com> <5057C01D.8060608@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fw: [HackettstownNJ] OFFER: MGB & MGA auto parts (Long Valley, NJ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Bob Spidell wrote: > Instead of Jaguar? > Not Jaguar, Jowett - as in Jupiter. There's an obscure one! mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 19:57:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A637B2D061E for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm35-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B9E402D05C7 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm35.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 01:57:44 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.203] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 01:57:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 01:57:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 38784 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2012 01:57:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347933464; bh=8F1hds2fNY3FEZXO0Vp6Gz6lTDxLLrZcYbBrSUn3P+w=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=57SXqL04ipRRS/5LAl/6JhJLqhkszDhZXNIr39bZ+PLcVbK+02cfX6lY4dtG80ns9FU/BZEbmY1AWtVnaPnXEue2AqxXA2p8a3EZ/Dcl36pVtz7WNLcSzin6incw+BzEO8rARFFRwE6IlyIkTniYl0ogSG20bXEMGkoM/yihfOk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fGk/n6oUoR5qXjcg4uCn83NUshbU7+t1W8mgr5x8cw83m63ePJL43jPm1rDvsCdj/E+0X9kUtL0ljxRdTBkK2KhKXW0TtIQn/wk3Spy2ar9KEt6Z0gh3XoWL7VcxoT5caH8sqGKECk8KOCLU9gdppi3Cb8Mf7KTckfJh3Kmj500=; waVXhkiGOJZsMXQK1_GwuIJVLJAuNE2p0j5J.2euQijbZL2Az2yY6ZBMduRE nBWJBDi.U64seMO25DzV5QSEJjvn63ZNAzeOddOtel9ft0goW2pjrKx2Lv1O Lf2jI2lKeVNR0Cg21adCpQn3HfCDotP0sJRvBjcAc.6ryFGfoy0GmiWfCfms wAHyqVqvQ5IpOHISzqfwKw2WuwZFMhtBWZMCNW02AfaOnTyASYfFChEjBvq_ v6fKZm_agTn4xdDlFHI5nEwAG4d1e.brgHHQG7Cvk7y8heeapBJT_cFjxXzw SJEWf4cNXCnf.BT9zvIuK1UM_PYcc9QgFUtHLK2LNNKspTbeM1luSGC8w9GN h5DMAYdsI.WrtKPwGrzTEVquMEX5IcBs6rLyHASFznpS6leV3BYgPBfMRa6v sm5qBn4ZsmWynkIzvFJfUZD9wmfT.pb_XOoMLbjgUdrIzQY2FCN3akMoNKBg x Received: from [74.161.65.11] by web140005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:57:44 PDT References: <505619F8.6070601@bradakis.com> <36D26C0C-97B0-40A3-9B6D-8E5D46047BE6@groupwbench.org> <50562A3A.5060502@bradakis.com> <5057C8CB.3010903@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Some of us call it a BFH? (Big bleep Hammer.) Must be the geographical location. :) Brian >________________________________ > From: Bill Rabel >To: >Cc: shop-talk List >Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:22 PM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 > >That's not prayer fluid. I call that a "brown wrench", a critical tool for >many tasks. > (snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 21:09:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED362D065A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FB602D0635 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 03:11:54 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.50] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 03:11:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2012 03:11:54 -0000 s=s1024; t=1347937914; bh=iejTApDNUEStLXgPoi7sHZVp9J2T7CAqzO+hbH0fJQY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=B/hnwis2y1io2Ty4epMprAhYgAlYxABo7xcPo+vOSmaoZXzGJJK8TQaIKV45rPYC9v3fTYiMqlIFUS1n9dA4cUIBKkH4wwwDWbPYt5YF89yxAse8b0jhbXxHTWMHcAnTSTh7exEPuabQ4P/rMbiUk70mRVeEhfZriLbzN+B05Dw= Ha5X5HgSIP8RVTTjoRUmbHEQBVVrt2a0Jgyfm9ZqxHXe_E785vU8wSQYKr4Q sz0odQvk2yPMTOW.6ZKKKa4eBj9s4mK.UqrZrrudkI.rol8O4VYBlpvE7Hgk n3k0GK2OsWHnSVkXmbwL5RajS1r2PXvUIiWh1nNzfYqDfU.dx_DliO5GcVdO f5UwPmpLxgqSLjr24Ni9sJWvaCSVw.7JWycabbr8PXwCjlJnpnPzKzKSwIPP qeL5XWpUZt25CbF1DA0R2QPBy_TxFKYoQsAd_Kc06JzKAeSL8FNmz_rD5eeJ kSBFlWVoS85YDx5ChLiKnQleUwOY2CguhGJPhxP1JEa7avg2J9.LJuTeoP8B nybgAfX0.mUzgQpM9XWUj6nOGMRU71QFyWsyndx6Cg3PHy9Pr25pYS4.4cBT MLRrDM3LrpC8TDN6JNKaZCfPzzVjZ4dSc.DAezMH4.A-- Received: from EntCentPC (jibjib@97.113.56.210 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2012 20:11:54 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'shop-talk List'" References: <505619F8.6070601@bradakis.com><36D26C0C-97B0-40A3-9B6D-8E5D46047BE6@groupwbench.org><50562A3A.5060502@bradakis.com> <5057C8CB.3010903@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:11:53 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2VOY3mi+JtH+BlRfKaXba6QV1vogAEWeIw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net >A breaks. > >I fix A, it disturbs B. > >I fix B, it disturbs C. > >I fix C ... Now that's plumbing! -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 6:05 PM To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 Berry Kercheval wrote: > An old friend used to say that when you got stuck, you should stop, > consume some "prayer fluid" and wait for inspiration from the Gods of > Home (or Auto) Repair. > > "Prayer Fluid" is made primarily from malted barley, hops, yeast and > water. > > Amazing how often it worked. Yes indeed. And working on this dishwasher is a lot like working on my Triumphs. A breaks. I fix A, it disturbs B. I fix B, it disturbs C. I fix C ... mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 17 21:09:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5432D0659 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3973B2D0635 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0ND71k00Q0lTkoCA1TCuvr; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 03:12:54 +0000 Received: from [10.37.65.6] ([166.147.83.111]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0TBe1k00w2Q6yxi8QTBmex; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 03:12:48 +0000 References: <505619F8.6070601@bradakis.com> <36D26C0C-97B0-40A3-9B6D-8E5D46047BE6@groupwbench.org> <50562A3A.5060502@bradakis.com> <5057C8CB.3010903@bradakis.com> <1347933464.37260.YahooMailNeo@web140005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Bill Rabel Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:11:37 -0700 To: Battmain Cc: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net No, not a hammer. A brown wrench is a brown glass bottle, containing what some call prayer fluid. Geez, ya gotta spell it out. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Battmain wrote: > Some of us call it a BFH? (Big bleep Hammer.) Must be the geographical > location. :) > > Brian > >> ________________________________ >> From: Bill Rabel > >> To: >> Cc: shop-talk List >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher > 1, mjb 0 >> >> That's not prayer fluid. I call that a "brown wrench", a critical > tool for >> many tasks. >> > (snip) > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/brabel@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 18 05:14:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F1F2D0671 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBCA2D065A for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120918111707.BSIW10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:17:07 -0400 Received: from wt03 ([209.225.8.43]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id 0bH71k00G0vicD505bH7hJ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:17:07 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=-41-nBcbipAA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=k9IzgLeNAAAA:8 a=UeOuQOju2c4ewmGz_VgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=T1jTriLPLxoA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:17:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:17:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dishwasher 1, mjb 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Prayer Fluid.....possibly a better penetrant AND lubricant than Kroil, PB Blaster and WD40 combined? On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Berry Kercheval wrote: > An old friend used to say that when you got stuck, you should stop, > consume > some "prayer fluid" and wait for inspiration from the Gods of Home (or > Auto) Repair. > > "Prayer Fluid" is made primarily from malted barley, hops, yeast and > water. > > Amazing how often it worked. > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Mark J Bradakis > wrote: > >> Well the pleasant stroll down to the convenience store to pick up a >> sunday >> paper did the trick. Got home, went back to the dishwasher and >> immediately >> spotted another anti faceplant bracket I hadn't seen before. > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 19 12:38:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C612D0625 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:38:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5432D0467 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59782A8064 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:41:07 -0700 (PDT) :from:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=lne.com; bh=jsjEkpc6Z WPBwNfPT3k7COnTw4Q=; b=yXIkAto0Kz2ahtSVcKE0AT4vvN/e9IXMGCHsDl2i0 jLqoYVW1rGxx7P0ZiBnWNZqQDaNnQpRG89anBwqrfM/k1vBo7QtcCBs64owe8D88 R/TuqIUnyydEQ/l2r65B0cxSE9PVl8hjEZ+djnzIZMuEisUa2MfixSYzE/7Mj43x fk= Received: from [10.10.100.88] (50-0-188-2.dedicated.static.sonic.net [50.0.188.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ericm@lne.com) by homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43CF3A8061 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:41:06 -0700 From: Eric Murray User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120827 Thunderbird/15.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1347538886.13910.YahooMailRC@web181502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] mojack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 09/13/2012 05:21 AM, john niolon wrote: > bought a new ZTR mower last season and love it... but it's getting to the time > when service will be needed... blade sharpening and such... been looking at > the Mo-Jack mower lift systems and they look pretty neat... although somewhat > expensive... anyone have any experience pro/con with them??... anyone ever build > a contraption like this ?? sold my a-frame this year (dummy) and really don't > have a safe way to lift this ZTR and get under it without my wife cashing in my > life insurance... > On my lawn tractor I raise the deck as high as it'll go and reach under with a wrench to undo the bolt that holds each blade on its hub. It's not hard to do. The blade's got to come off to be sharpened anyhow. I use the bench grinder and files to get the parts that I can't sharpen with the grinder. Then a quick balance check (stick a screwdriver in the center hole and grind metal off the low side). If raising the deck doesn't give you enough space you could make some low ramps out of 2x6s. I think I used a couple 2x6 scraps the first time so I could see how the blades were attached. Now I can do it without looking. Eric _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 14:04:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB192D0863 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s20.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s20.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A4B2D0816 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT127-W54 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s20.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:06:56 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:06:55 -0400 FILETIME=[25951DB0:01CD9A90] Subject: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My Harbor Freight MIG welder and welding helmet have been on the shelf for a few years gathering dust. I might have an excuse to use both of them soon. I took a peak at the helmet thinking maybe the batteries might need replacing, but it doesn't appear to use any.. So it looks like it uses a panel of some kind to detect the light from the arc and flips on and darkens the shield. I took a look at it and all seems to be in order. I remember using it with good success before. So I just want to be safe here, is there anything I can/should do to test this out so I know it will work when I spark up the welder? It didn't seem to respond much to normal flashlight light... My retinas thank you. -PJ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 14:28:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2232D086D for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:28:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DE92D0857 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:28:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so15076071ied.14 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:31:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2L42sXXFHFMiNDES5WtOA/qWw78JJ6X6zkSxrINObXc=; b=UUK8EdqFS1AfFbtCY/eDVcSQ1KTe8Pdu5xtOAXGx4mRncfBfTVjqFjWpnA2jql318f AoI4VVY3y5L5tqTRsnhb5DRfoaelD4Lm0mt7IPGb3wLd0isBi/ZzRcCuH6yJd99dn0kF +dFcLZn0PMkSZcJTuCMsnNoxpImuxSvXhedcF2vniIQZP+tYKRotZd+9b5onoc4fxCgO 2yy/irancREgJMiIA8URam25q0djFezgzl4k3RHioXRa8ws8RyFymxdtxAXO+qsZIfyG cDnznW+fPgp6xuXsnG7fgVyahIGJTQI5sWNnOOZfHytozVYvJpa4U5nmBbXF4l3uN4K/ Vv6w== Received: by 10.50.222.162 with SMTP id qn2mr6403614igc.46.1348518690731; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.82.201 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:31:30 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:31:30 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: PJ McGarvey Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:06 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: > So I just want to be safe here, is there anything I can/should do to test this > out so I know it will work when I spark up the welder? Mine will darken when pointed at the sun... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 14:50:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658742D0867 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:50:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm25.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 116902D080F for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm25.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2012 20:52:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.91] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2012 20:52:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2012 20:52:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 62742 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2012 20:52:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; b=ZQ6cgw4cdpyhindqyem6zRiaGEsOiOD649n3U8u/buo4UqsNcb45DJdOg3xWhWzkV1j/KkTIf4w1aeYpm04fvDuFy3B9Kbb4dk98dFizK15ZvMKQ7YtO89m5swtc3uVSS2Hz+Jyv+/yDTTpn/5DFzcldwMPuQUj3jsmfVrK2Aiw= ; s=s1024; t=1348519954; bh=/yHLPEQRapaXL6a8LjGXSZYBSvfsu4+Lcl/KAD0LSU8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=1kOUceFHB7RqjyzWUJLTVPsqTYR19uJ5PsIYg+pVWAAM6yRvP+8FziYibl7ToVVWaO95ZgUrU9oLwxDOfoLi9dT1I5taqzEhymXg3exH12j7aSDgG+kCUy7vJjdV/ttsA+4jGXhzBGej5rRtiMPwjJ1C/31lwfQ3e/9d0A2IVi0= bpmDfNylxS_8ScXJZHLnLnUWtMLSIh8Tdn5VaIYB_Lh7I7u1LyukTRfq4R9P 6n5NJE9sdLs934ZS6gIKpmXGDlRZbCWq5i_H9CxU2rYspaUlbRROuDjyoS27 1AYeWPuJYsfP59PSn6D1_e2i2R6kVMfs91YO67hc_Xe1VMF5Y_xkeySWqsZ4 OV0tKdSzMy7.uz1JXTRu1lAImV_oEy1vSunUmLp5dOjkES9PV1vDEjEMbe7V 5UzewSLrBfwlK1vyjUaqNo_vj8iOaOlEOeKCGzNNJ.dtIR_JFYLnSX5W6NCN e_rmBWVEs8GBCygKGJvLdRT_dGTvxI1JwrQp1MlHnkNC.DQRMunUyR3F5mJN 6GMcGYgn9_kESacZ25NSgQwpSCQNtMkRWkOI6BQLESalcC61wAWx72jySQ.8 NsSQBBQFTqYVcCHsFNs5f Received: from Karl (kvacek@75.22.16.223 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2012 13:52:34 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:52:24 -0500 Thread-Index: AQIn9q5b1gpjzJXplTwsLKy3eogDBZblPhbw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Typically these shields default to dark if there's no power, though I don't know about the Hazard Fraught models. One other consideration is that even though they may not darken for some reason, there's supposed to be adequate UV protection even in the "light" condition. It may not be comfortable to view welding through a light lens, but it's not supposed to be harmful, so testing shouldn't be particularly hazardous. And, like Jeff, mine (an old Sellstrom that uses AAA battteries) darkens in sunlight when it's on and has good batteries. Karl -----Original Message----- From: PJ McGarvey Subject: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet My Harbor Freight MIG welder and welding helmet have been on the shelf for a few years gathering dust. I might have an excuse to use both of them soon. I took a peak at the helmet thinking maybe the batteries might need replacing, but it doesn't appear to use any.. So it looks like it uses a panel of some kind to detect the light from the arc and flips on and darkens the shield. I took a look at it and all seems to be in order. I remember using it with good success before. So I just want to be safe here, is there anything I can/should do to test this out so I know it will work when I spark up the welder? It didn't seem to respond much to normal flashlight light... My retinas thank you. -PJ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 15:06:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15ADC2D085B for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FCE2D066A for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:01:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0MAV007G9H7IGXY0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:03:26 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <001501cd9a96$80521f90$80f65eb0$@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mine, also a battery powered model, darkens in sunlight and even when just looking directly at a light bulb. Another interesting thing, I can darken mine with a TV remote control. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 04:52 PM 9/24/2012, Karl Vacek wrote: >And, like Jeff, mine (an old Sellstrom that uses AAA battteries) darkens in >sunlight when it's on and has good batteries. > >Karl _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 15:06:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4A82D0863 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:06:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B62F2D0867 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:06:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl17 with SMTP id fl17so8361636vcb.14 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:09:28 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=MTeQ61ttM+O7CWIvJ03SOLlG5nIzZXRz9Acth1XYNlc=; b=ibXJkIyl5Di3xNL+NBVJ5RMfFYztSQtTqEIP4tjM6LZAs7ZVYkpPq+felzU1vypadt 375bGxPiDxmpJOI+C9nl8lNP/CM7oK5veb2GWBQ9fWBGJrSSXZ+X6a9eU5qwXm+1SGEG Hl8NZNWyvAdWU05rEYeItwggGgcTNglj9R8mZGNX1Nyzr3tQ4OViBEv8/K4Lmai6oX8i Z7yqCCWzpjD/d19phI6mkXQ17kjmCQ6Qm+Rt/Iik4GtBjzwb5QTJ/KSTZiBbHWMCDVjB caAKDw9zaQE+zsoOa4xjH+yAZm8gSWOaU1PmVjxGIcKxS9lXSFYvf7HfCmbJe+OUS4CV eOfQ== Received: by 10.52.21.179 with SMTP id w19mr6605636vde.58.1348520968201; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.14.179 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:09:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <001501cd9a96$80521f90$80f65eb0$@ameritech.net> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:09:28 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: KVacek@ameritech.net Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Look at the sun through the helmet, and rapidly wave your hand in front of the sensor. That should definitely make it darken. Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 16:16:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445582D0878 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth14.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth14.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DCAED2D0867 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 29321 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2012 22:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (12.162.141.2) by smtpauth14.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.39) with ESMTP; 24 Sep 2012 22:18:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:18:41 -0500 From: Pat Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 10 year old Hobart helmet that does not have batteries either. After sitting for a long time. when I started welding, the window didn't darken. I left it sitting facing the sun for a couple hours, after which it worked fine. You might want to give that a try. Peace, Pat Thusly spake PJ McGarvey > My Harbor Freight MIG welder and welding helmet have been on the shelf for a > few years gathering dust. I might have an excuse to use both of them soon. I > took a peak at the helmet thinking maybe the batteries might need replacing, > but it doesn't appear to use any.. So it looks like it uses a panel of some > kind to detect the light from the arc and flips on and darkens the shield. I > took a look at it and all seems to be in order. I remember using it with good > success before. > > So I just want to be safe here, is there anything I can/should do to test this > out so I know it will work when I spark up the welder? It didn't seem to > respond much to normal flashlight light... My retinas thank you. -PJ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice & Text 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 16:40:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C0C2D0889 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:40:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389752D0862 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so15389481ied.14 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:43:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IWSiVR6HXPwnmHnc0V2WNz7ex36E9mA9jRM2ZFamzH8=; b=Q0LnAMTdqv1f0JAruBr8WJZyph0nR139SNRQohDGt2sTuqFEa9AhaaaBVz44efz/t5 Rlhs1q4fr8DET3HXoBL0bqTGlcacfGWQK11oS7xRxQ/ZVahyRCcEw/WdOrelmvgOBQP0 TbSpW30PU8o4ccI4CvXIuhGUrLWAqyxphG2OrzXPlGt530hKsDmnP0bQVUuM5dvOalRJ mGJaFq5RJUIivvomFSwA0hzG22yezTmmgMBTmklA+2Odn1NNQ9uz+t7nwp74WpEO6eEc QJpcIlDLi9xtMXXTjBO9s0aSUBidUXHU8dYnj2h/ql+tM71EIffHQEwXELJjcNNDbGGq 9CRg== Received: by 10.50.36.169 with SMTP id r9mr6508398igj.67.1348526584139; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.82.201 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:43:03 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:43:03 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:06 PM, PJ McGarvey wrote: >> So I just want to be safe here, is there anything I can/should do to test this >> out so I know it will work when I spark up the welder? > > Mine will darken when pointed at the sun... Having said that, there may be some tiny batteries somewhere... Page 7 of this document http://manuals.harborfreight.com/manuals/46000-46999/46092.pdf states that my helmet has 3V lithium cells for backup, that typically last 6 years and don't need to be changed. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 17:49:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0CA2D089F for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:49:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3F02D07BE for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 35HN1k0071afHeLACBsA2g; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:52:10 +0000 Received: from Mike ([71.231.223.23]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3Bs91k00a0WuPoP8dBs9zl; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:52:10 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Shop Talk" References: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:51:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Does this mean when the batteries do wear out after six years you just throw everything away? What a crazy marketing environment we live in! Mike > Having said that, there may be some tiny batteries somewhere... Page > 7 of this document > http://manuals.harborfreight.com/manuals/46000-46999/46092.pdf states > that my helmet has 3V lithium cells for backup, that typically last 6 > years and don't need to be changed. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 18:18:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1446E2D08C2 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:18:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7302D089D for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so15562950ied.14 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:21:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=I/ExYB9apY2KPEH8Sa2Zwggl5M2sZcdpJoodEEFapUA=; b=Rm8taeJ1uTT2+NFw0y2J0MU+OZAOsfBB+MvWTV504yY3WMEonn7Ks083ME8/519OKX nMkl/H/0PAGIbyNmvg9mrvkMmdFOrK1+GFutAbDq2GF5JzS60tfCXEANz3zxZqMPv55N oHPwfYwsZVKMGhBhf31jeydLhMSwsBKImPlNVGnFEsbVeFy/cFzG3ofJnVUbevOyFq5/ JUNwfoPL0n/BCdMdceTuq50M9ROOs67Z9NaOooCC0RHLvKoRfTDduVjnwfnAJwVlPkFo xaUeQsPrvsXSLzYM9/BKV+qslUsXwjUUVnj1hucitDTbDY4zTina2eiDgb6aFGLWH/Pk 2NwA== Received: by 10.50.36.169 with SMTP id r9mr6660010igj.67.1348532482070; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.82.201 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:21:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <875CF56AC2664DABB473D1EC6A8630F2@Mike> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:21:22 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mike wrote: > Does this mean when the batteries do wear out after six years you just throw > everything away? What a crazy marketing environment we live in! I'm pretty sure you can replace the batteries. Maybe they expect you'll wear out the helmet before then... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 18:31:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32232D0896 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3935F2D037E for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:31:34 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sW6nJXKmNpivmf+sI6mcOACnG6SdCRC+oIvLj2x5/Ah6i/QfZQyITRQVTFYzebsA; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.194.247.200] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TGJ6a-0005xm-0D for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:34:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:33:51 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Non-Ferrous miter saw blade? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm doing a railing project and was looking for a Non-Ferrous blade for my 10" miter saw, but Lowes and Home Depot don't appear to have them in the stores. I want it for the weekend, so don't want to have to order online. I only have six cuts to make in a powder coated extruded aluminum top rail if all is good, so also don't want to spend a bunch. What is special about about a blade to make it good for non-ferrous metals like aluminum? Since I only have a few cuts, can I get a clean edge from a cheap regular 10" blade? Are more teeth better? Four of the cuts will be mitered corners, so I want them to be clean. This will not be long term production, so durability is not a concern. I was considering going to look at Harbor Freight. They have the two blades below that may be at my local store. http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-40-tooth-carbide-tipped-circular-saw-blade-with-titanium-nitride-coating-93893.html or http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-40-tooth-m2-high-speed-steel-tipped-saw-blade-529.html I also have an abrasive metal cutting blade I used on 3/16" steel, but assume that will not give me a clean cut. I have a little extra length in the top rail segments, so will make a test cut first. Thanks for any recommendations, Brian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 19:36:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B732D08B1 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B9A2D0895 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:35:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so15696786ied.14 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:38:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nvhtaB64ji7+LC6KBjhNI/oGbBBHOcpK5ZyPtUWutjg=; b=aT1s5BIWgkDFVTaKgRs7HAKLbg2E6CX0gxVnlGiA4yIb7dsoEw9WCTYCTebtfNa6dr Jc1VlwKKyQZ4gyjl5so1Ug49gY8PsqZCkeDE1UiCepIc1IpdmbGKMS6V9kMz17ijqzCb DtHceE7ka+IFUkgyZF+oT+nPzCVV5OMrBfz5A9817T53jFDO9lZ+WZlZcjsvpRuuFiVa x5tEkqrj9Y/CseEzsvk6Da/oohfba7yfNg3eD4fxMGn0QEMN2FeuLSy5hmNKIbIw222Z yWyxjackC756PHwggj3ovp2BlQ5kyLqz9eewJSMNUlbQSuXq/0xjVOGWfTYvhE5MZ3nx us9Q== Received: by 10.50.36.169 with SMTP id r9mr6762707igj.67.1348536689451; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.82.201 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:31:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <5060FBEF.6060304@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:31:29 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Non-Ferrous miter saw blade? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > What is special about about a blade to make it good for non-ferrous metals > like aluminum? Since I only have a few cuts, can I get a clean edge from a > cheap regular 10" blade? Whenever I've made cuts in plastic (like PVC pipe) I turned the blade around backwards. Got the cleanest cut you could imagine, with no chipping. Never tried it in metal, but if you had a scrap you could test, I'd find it interesting... If you try this: Be sure to clamp or restrain your workpiece carefully. I can think of all sorts of ways for it to go wrong, and I have the fused finger bones to show for it. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 20:22:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA732D0889 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:22:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF3C2D086A for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so8324667vbk.14 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:25:32 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=XA/9h5IA9VthhDhdoB13RRyrueFcLbJ7qODJZNFJZhA=; b=jtbbmlddLDHBUYX5+c97X9/vGkrhvTus+WdV+/SeNSvg06mr6LAr0igwaTWeGpDuvd s0JfYEiPrc6f2R3+TrkKSa7NMODksE2gk/u6KfX4mBrGX4GV/7RiNRvyfON0+0EtyE3r t0h6dYZX671k7Sq86j70UFktLbPmnaeEYjbIzxhuqw5lRE5YZ1jcBge4qAT4JU0cr0ZS fKZ7T6jGg1GNskJquoZyUGSzMoUEfkmCSwpy273E9R5awFlDSnEMtv0XRrGcLb5MdC1Q uaBvIoYnjY3xwt42XPsK4uPgWI6n2CY4PBY46R8r1hiWPfXDhz85Ah7X8MQMhNUlYS8G UIdQ== Received: by 10.221.9.132 with SMTP id ow4mr8347933vcb.30.1348539932601; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.14.179 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:25:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <5060FBEF.6060304@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:25:32 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Non-Ferrous miter saw blade? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have cut aluminum with my normal miter saw blade. It worked reasonably well, and I continued to use the blade for wood. Doug On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Brian Kemp wrote: > > What is special about about a blade to make it good for non-ferrous > metals > > like aluminum? Since I only have a few cuts, can I get a clean edge > from a > > cheap regular 10" blade? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 20:30:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15402D0889 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.189]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A1202D086A for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 02:28:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.55] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 02:28:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 02:28:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348540089; bh=F6b68KzcBQRW4NE7Zexd+lJe0KaBXnSsuQJrI2AJOdg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=uP8qzmvYX8DBxMb9eMfuWdMmL5KyRVaGmUtw8RYVVNZ8itYP4G35Ga7kFWC0kI18Ftam1fEquVQELdX5jWldprx5hsEBtYiQ7mOx3pGdhU9B5Fc8QqUCvayoeVlqTFxYgJpPxzb3KWELW21OSxhUD/xniXD+uHGE490f2SD3yyw= 8hwppj45bjR7pTW7tQd7WUq2lAw9M7l0iHpDtrd_uWJ3yF_q1ekh4_CIgNzD HRrSRQzWjkRTeBd2fOl56jSylSjYrJGczG.Hc_ECkzh7B1XoE.JruVCVM9w4 wNH1y3iBj80cAussirDo6MpLttMDWBYkLji5KqIjkNK7aKbiOpOtgS2dQsdY TmXCXrJIHPEJxMgXIvZ0Gp6YdEkHDLsULcAi9KaC01bJ_EIRvTQPp7W26NIT g2uXBvFUUxzEDeWKE_Y55eJa0ljcz_BZzyfqfK7E5chpkFpsYVNjlRWzV2B1 Zr5P_R2s6IC9.ggYR2qNK9n5g38yu_B6NbPUTHBhcs0amSSSRP6R4CWjx5Es j0DSS8dtLEgjGvxy55dIHk5NQZ.yOJ7an_PoSDP2jvTTZMW0xatp9USInhjL OLKtJApn4N8DBWjOh3w5ORpvV2v7LalwC7HYk90uCFA-- Received: from EntCentPC (jibjib@71.212.12.246 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2012 19:28:09 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'shop-talk@autox.team.net'" References: <875CF56AC2664DABB473D1EC6A8630F2@Mike> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:28:10 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2as7wlcyzJAPC6S7abgL2tjVQvjwAERuYw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I think I've already gone in deep enough to be pretty sure that you can replace the batteries. Jack -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:21 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Mike wrote: > Does this mean when the batteries do wear out after six years you just throw > everything away? What a crazy marketing environment we live in! I'm pretty sure you can replace the batteries. Maybe they expect you'll wear out the helmet before then... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 20:46:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5202D08B5 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:46:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037332D06F2 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:42:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 25 Sep 2012 02:45:27 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-157-250.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.157.250]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 54CAE23AE2; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 02:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:45:30 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Jack Brooks References: <875CF56AC2664DABB473D1EC6A8630F2@Mike> Cc: "'shop-talk@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net When you figure out how, please let us know. I have a couple of them at school. One way I test the helmet is to strike a flint striker in front of it. That usually causes it to darken. On 9/24/2012 7:28 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: > I think I've already gone in deep enough to be pretty sure that you can > replace the batteries. > > Jack _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Mon Sep 24 21:16:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715C22D08C0 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:16:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.126]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 485282D08AB for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:11:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 03:14:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.51] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 03:14:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2012 03:14:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348542880; bh=AIcKFNbhpMvgMOKUbST/G213LtYOle0zFnKoaxs6CQU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=lmWrbmVcmce/TeVv5L54165E2pqACXbqfnmGCbsTyUdA4KMqGqigAjyzaYPw8g0RqyDUBf1CU9sqtM+hEc3oQxiG1GEciEfSHAT6engMcu8MW5gK/fMQREGiG/sXYRoJe/30XI5wgeMeEhkOgN9pAftnHnidi1FgeUVb1R6gd5Y= qSsn0PzK4PysBQ00uLSOb1TXcvbTM6vKONZmqtvs8lYV7oH_fiuph9r56Xzm ML1LHCXKncttUrPpgSN0E_ljA85LjMsfam5LjlbcwwBYB4P6qP8bRDZmYmUX TixT51nJ5SKVIurE_upKL3DXxy_ca3QII.QWjYxTXJMkeMavO.Bu4MFsmRsr cYTxpWYVa7c3Ijl.JYH3GFcEYaAQQ76TKvnnGVfRFmeLym5gnN9ILMgCaavp G96L9UIGJZPemiFd5xEHjxnHGhpT9U3BLLCgeH2RWYNEFLfucoMftOIdLrad yJHzjJSiw8G3fFqCdDEZVOlpnZKyWBBA1XhXiE4glJDPCHcvg.CXnHyWRW_w _sr8ZNd.A4T4MMM7T8WQWcePbsjG.ymFchn2zE_KUZrl2V1GRKulpdTrwWxn M.kZmyxxUNPSy9bZ4 Received: from EntCentPC (jibjib@71.212.12.246 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2012 20:14:39 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'shop-talk@autox.team.net'" References: <875CF56AC2664DABB473D1EC6A8630F2@Mike> <50611ACA.9020403@frontier.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:14:40 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2ax9I9ZByUTyMnS7u1bMqI+Hw1+AAArWLw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, On my helmet, which is a HF helmet, I found the batteries. The very bottom of the electrical assembly has a small raised tab on the right side. This is on the lowest portion of the electrical assembly, facing directly back at your face. Pushing this left and lifting reveals two AAA batteries. it is basically a snap on access panel. This may be easier if you remove the two thumbscrews holding the entire electrical assembly in place, just as you would do if you were going to change out the clear glass on the outside of the helmet and them pull the assembly out of the helmet entirely. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Dave C [mailto:cavanadd@frontier.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 7:46 PM To: Jack Brooks Cc: 'shop-talk@autox.team.net' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet When you figure out how, please let us know. I have a couple of them at school. One way I test the helmet is to strike a flint striker in front of it. That usually causes it to darken. On 9/24/2012 7:28 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: > I think I've already gone in deep enough to be pretty sure that you can > replace the batteries. > > Jack _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 25 11:15:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4152D075C for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:15:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A00BC2D074D for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 75818 invoked by uid 3198); 25 Sep 2012 17:12:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Sep 2012 17:12:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:12:57 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: Brian Kemp References: <5060FBEF.6060304@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Non-Ferrous miter saw blade? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, 24 Sep 2012, Brian Kemp wrote: > I'm doing a railing project and was looking for a Non-Ferrous blade for my > 10" miter saw, but Lowes and Home Depot don't appear to have them in the > stores. I want it for the weekend, so don't want to have to order online. I > only have six cuts to make in a powder coated extruded aluminum top rail if > all is good, so also don't want to spend a bunch. > > What is special about about a blade to make it good for non-ferrous metals > like aluminum? Since I only have a few cuts, can I get a clean edge from a > cheap regular 10" blade? Are more teeth better? Four of the cuts will be > mitered corners, so I want them to be clean. This will not be long term > production, so durability is not a concern. Actually, it's the opposite... a ferrous metal blade is special. There's nothing special at all about a non-ferrous blade, in fact, you can cut aluminium with most wood-working tools just fine (routers, etc). Obviously, be careful, and secure the work, but you don't really need anything special. If that's not good enough, get one of these from Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Power-Tools-RAGE255-Circular/dp/B00249JDY4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1348592805&sr=8-4&keywords=evolution+blade Unless you live in some serious hinterland, I bet Amazon will get you this before the weekend. I have a similar blade in my Evolution saw, and it is extremely handy, and leaves a perfect edge on everything. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 25 13:03:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F922D075C for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6A02D0743 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:02:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120925190535.VPJV10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:05:35 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id 3X5b1k00G0x0GZM05X5bQh; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:05:35 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=Hj3ascP90cVuh0qxAKUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=liEoR6HorXI5auzEuMQA:9 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:05:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:05:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] totally OT--- Polycom Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone out there have (extensive) knowledge of Polycom video conferencing systems? I think I have asked this group befor but am hoping for help again.... PLEASE, contact me offlist if you can answer some trouble shooting questions; especially feedback while connected to a three way call. thanks! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Tue Sep 25 18:15:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8832D080A for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:15:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s3.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s3.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C252D061E for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:14:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT127-W51 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s3.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:18:01 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:18:00 -0400 References: <875CF56AC2664DABB473D1EC6A8630F2@Mike>, , , <50611ACA.9020403@frontier.com>, FILETIME=[6370CFC0:01CD9B7C] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not sure why it wasn't working so well before, but I did clean up the lens a bit and a bright 75 watt bulb seems to confirm it works OK. I'll assume batteries are OK for the time being. Now to see if the welder is fraught with hazard.. Thanks > From: jibjib@att.net > To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:14:40 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet > > Dave, > > On my helmet, which is a HF helmet, I found the batteries. The very bottom > of the electrical assembly has a small raised tab on the right side. This is > on the lowest portion of the electrical assembly, facing directly back at > your face. Pushing this left and lifting reveals two AAA batteries. it is > basically a snap on access panel. > > This may be easier if you remove the two thumbscrews holding the entire > electrical assembly in place, just as you would do if you were going to > change out the clear glass on the outside of the helmet and them pull the > assembly out of the helmet entirely. > > Jack > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave C [mailto:cavanadd@frontier.com] > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 7:46 PM > To: Jack Brooks > Cc: 'shop-talk@autox.team.net' > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Welding auto-darkening helmet > > When you figure out how, please let us know. I have a couple of them at > school. > > One way I test the helmet is to strike a flint striker in front of it. > That usually causes it to darken. > > > On 9/24/2012 7:28 PM, Jack Brooks wrote: > > I think I've already gone in deep enough to be pretty sure that you can > > replace the batteries. > > > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 26 13:53:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCA52D04E7 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 012952D047B for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:48:13 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1348689077; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=FKN5p7E/3rOMMITfhHoBf9fKvlgsUBU+VG69pmWyNWhfkl3jco4tyXvfjkcW8iY0O tZbpZ+ehDz3tlp1wSrJI2oeXN+0STs/et7+7wwdTmtXc+8IeT1hi1N6OPJ7RiXgLDi bMehFKkWuIqL+goiUQeueGVu3LAQQJI2Krwtlk2k= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail13.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.153]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJGGZFEAC79672 for (sender ); Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mbarre@juno.com) by webmail13.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SKLQ6FZP; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:50:38 PDT Received: from [24.214.163.54] by webmail13.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:49:40 GMT From: "Matt" Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:49:40 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My home wifi barely makes it to the shop - not a reliable signal. In attempting to provide a usable signal, would I be better off trying one of the signal repeater/boosters like this:http://tinyurl.com/8s4jdch Which may or may not provide enough boost.Although a side benefit is it would surely improve access around the pool area - and perhaps even induce personnel of great visual appeal to frequent the area with their pads, smart phones & readers... Or one of the power line gadgets, like this:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127386 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 26 14:31:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEAC2D04E0 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 164872D04A6 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:31:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2012 20:34:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.248] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2012 20:34:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2012 20:34:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 24912 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2012 20:34:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348691651; bh=SjLrnRWn6W6cUMO32SYo8XPnwokj2YErs0GtQ7hiKbY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Tes0EUOxe6X2xjSn3zL+0xXkG1FIJgPuU35Ms3P/uinuMrITyyIJ55IAxB9/rCPd6uv+XXqAPHF0D95eAVhsHp9J5NIAnFzhc2YnhcPlaiOKjC19rptWsR2HUd8cVm/uH964FXhVIDadlLj7G9L5ht7emCD44RwOmkoLZ4z7rbM= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aHh2OOdM/8WymCZLCxMaoKm8oVKqqVRcv5JOZ5zdfsNzI5Uz5B0qY6BJZbtGl3m3VeJk1sh45k3BnfTfSdoEgqlAET5Tn9p171xLx25/eFww6JnEWHNnCBXdkjKL1tzyhAlgD7udVY+mfLFnWQL/MMtX0OfYVNnyKk/I6u0lgpw=; ofKhaKiMZkK3jxI9u73d96d66j6qDgzWyK7pmLHS9BULFWTouAIplj.DEoe9 MD12BySFgIu2QnfB7W2PogrH6vW_BTb0GCLiUqrUUiwHQ3fByramrWKzFipn EnDU9eVFEyZtm917uUiD4QtrWgwm4g6QI65dPv_aM.cdg657qfGZWy2HjqqJ y555pwCwflxmeZYE_rIpxmZtTR3fLLELCf0hMUYbybToSeJNkvn4Xx41G8Ic o4aHQnQHOopugoue.3UBAqkFQ.p_a7G_OKlxMK8hU3kW9vy97rUJ4OQjREmz yikf63RIX1KkRfclZ0Sr4eDOAAjqvpmBKPFAxCkCrqg1ynuocaWLVA1e2lYP 7hkrftL0rGWlu0vKfsh0bcNcaDqA3ATzFkiaEKViyAWbYKnCwj0Z3EM3YO_K sY4pgcQPVXUhiZtcgNrbmPFDiSIxoJM6rqH4zKfJHHJ8RiNDwuB5dU_.Dx63 RzqkVbNYej_HsZc.K7fnEhb.KLxLJdKBBDrTM9QfTAeIrsQNEwNWuFNO5nJH jD7WbOqwuFNbN0T_.HZfj_KhXrRt8jHOoFC9qHeoixe8rYykMsYUoSwt2hvg QJfZLPPvoJEW5nbdTsPz7eiBm1l5sBmC8VVOs.z9xNYK5dkZudx5l8fj9m7j elzzWtqfJvtNWaky2HwKYIHbaPq49xftSPaDClo7vIUboLBwW3Xtmq088hPP ru3v2rvc6O171rOVTTzQdRYK9j17VGQ99M91QtDzxXQZOCSoCmbnqGmm6Cqp rqVjmmwozUfh1s3V3KPjleS1pxCS55p6gYhklgz68.BdipS_ekWZR1rLuX.w AZUky Received: from [173.252.176.138] by web140006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:34:11 PDT References: <20120926.154940.27021.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I used something similar to your first one... http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=560158 1&CatId=372 I did have to run a wire to a location closer to where I was for it work 'reliably.' Then to keep it working reliably for the wireless devices attached to that new router, I had to turn off the DHCP server. This allowed the main router to dish out IPs. I initially tried the new router in 'repeater' mode and it while it did work, it was not reliable nor stable. Depending on how long your run is, it might save your sanity by running a direct burial cat6 out to a location closer to where it is needed, then attach the device of your choice to that cable. You can still use the main router to dish out IPs as mentioned before. Regards, Brian >________________________________ > From: Matt >To: shop-talk@autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:49 PM >Subject: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop > >My home wifi barely makes it to the shop - not a reliable signal. In >attempting to provide a usable signal, would I be better off trying one of the >signal repeater/boosters like this:http://tinyurl.com/8s4jdch Which may or may >not provide enough boost.Although a side benefit is it would surely improve >access around the pool area - and perhaps even induce personnel of great >visual appeal to frequent the area with their pads, smart phones & readers... >Or one of the power line gadgets, like >this:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127386 >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/battmain@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 26 15:09:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7B72D04EB for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:09:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29D92D04C5 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so3284871ied.14 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:08:35 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=d/2UsN1drAEYbky59uJgwE16wErl7G9NWODqDLwlFeU=; b=V4GZ6mSrlOKefLEt6rLBDlfl0lHe0DIrgNmC8chmA/h4yrf9chag8DqLc/hv3qCT2/ decTm23d/tem/vDaMhzaHRZ9SweTNeMjECxTLic8VKOlu3hhX1Z/LxwF5SBbNfc8fmV0 uuUDx+E5KKSXmaeETO/vwk5/MjsdCxRryYytY3Kt3qB75IYyIsyq/tThMKyHXlUa7ir6 H8hJGbJdcvl+57CdJxHF+Bk67zV+d58yvNQY4f/WisHlUrOcpnjtLwPDIOYahYRcKf1h iP1iHEP/fdDU1Kq6TW82NE5xlp1EyyfQSE3Wbu+hLjOJLFun7XRhNwypCVonzuANh4vK OwaA== Received: by 10.50.160.228 with SMTP id xn4mr375968igb.1.1348693715059; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.82.35 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:08:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <20120926.154940.27021.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> <1348691651.18598.YahooMailNeo@web140006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Peter Murray Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:08:14 -0400 To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you can run a wire to the shop or get the network-over-powerline adapters to work, that would work best - just locate an access point right there in the shop. If that isn't possible, consider installing an access point (as close as possible to the shop) with a directional antenna that focuses the power towards the desired areas of coverage. Do you have any signal whatsoever in the shop? If so, something like this may work: http://www.ubnt.com/airmax#nanostationm I have used the Nanostation Loco M5 (5GHz), and it has been great. Good throughput and durable enough for outside use (exposed to rain, snow, ice, etc). Alternatively, if your main access point (from which you don't have sufficient signal) has external detachable antennas, you could try buying a single directional and pointing it towards the shop and seeing if that solves the coverage issue. It won't affect your current coverage by much at all. -Peter (N3IXY) On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Battmain wrote: > I used something similar to your first one... > http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=560158 > 1&CatId=372 > > > I did have to run a wire to a location closer to where I was for > it work 'reliably.' Then to keep it working reliably for the wireless > devices attached to that new router, I had to turn off the DHCP server. This > allowed the main router to dish out IPs. I initially tried the new router in > 'repeater' mode and it while it did work, it was not reliable nor stable. > Depending on how long your run is, it might save your sanity by running a > direct burial cat6 out to a location closer to where it is needed, then attach > the device of your choice to that cable. You can still use the main router to > dish out IPs as mentioned before. > > Regards, > Brian >>________________________________ >> From: Matt >>To: > shop-talk@autox.team.net >>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:49 PM >>Subject: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop >> >>My home wifi barely > makes it to the shop - not a reliable signal. In >>attempting to provide a > usable signal, would I be better off trying one of the >>signal > repeater/boosters like this:http://tinyurl.com/8s4jdch Which may or may >>not > provide enough boost.Although a side benefit is it would surely improve >>access around the pool area - and perhaps even induce personnel of great >>visual appeal to frequent the area with their pads, smart phones & readers... >>Or one of the power line gadgets, like >>this:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127386 >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/battmain@yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Wed Sep 26 20:04:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060DF2D03B8 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:04:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail963c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail963c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5E72D032E for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-2-208.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.2.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail963c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8R25crm001021 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 02:05:40 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "shop-talk" Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 22:04:56 -0400 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:17 a=otGvQvPC7ahMgpkbyu0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=WFmYWojth3Y8s5UVHLoA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Shop-talk] cheap pails Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A friend showed me this 'trick' a few years ago. I suppose y'all already knew this but none of youse guys told me... Anyway, use a can opener (the kind you'd use to open a can of beans) to remove the rim from a paint can when it's empty. After washing them out gallon size paint cans (with the bail handle) make useful buckets. Quart size make useful small pails &/or paint holders (I like to dispense paint into them rather 'contaminate' the original paint can). Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Thu Sep 27 04:46:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F602D065C for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 04:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp003.apm-internet.net (smtp003.apm-internet.net [85.119.248.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04FC32D032A for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 04:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 87587 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2012 10:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.104?) (86.184.61.7) by smtp003.apm-internet.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2012 10:49:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:49:06 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Matt References: <20120926.154940.27021.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Matt wrote: > My home wifi barely makes it to the shop - not a reliable signal. In > attempting to provide a usable signal, would I be better off trying one of the > signal repeater/boosters like this:http://tinyurl.com/8s4jdch Which may or may > not provide enough boost.Although a side benefit is it would surely improve > access around the pool area - and perhaps even induce personnel of great > visual appeal to frequent the area with their pads, smart phones & readers... > Or one of the power line gadgets, like > this:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127386 > _______________________________________________ > > Matt, I've used the Netgear wi-fi version of the newegg product for a year. See http://tinyurl.com/br844uh It's worked well in the house which is an old brick building and out in the shop which is separate from the house. You could install one near the pool but I can't say that using one has resulted in the appearance of any POGVAs in my shop... Nick _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Thu Sep 27 05:48:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30ED82D0689 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:48:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 838DF2D0501 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:48:06 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1348746670; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=Qef4TAlW/uInXsoGXUyKcMGQtknoVuYB5XWDdhlP77Qmao9ST55J0kuYeU5r65Jfk ZwfemdePYuSE/Zf7DW97MVon7mojJPwnA1EVmU7RXVE3GiruNC1uPYK7rS8KAypxhz GETnZ0vdCTqstBCcDTtnSD4MBDKOrUKWTrifXcDw= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail08.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.148]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJGJRNWATWJNYA for (sender ); Thu, 27 Sep 2012 04:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mbarre@juno.com) by webmail08.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SKNF24PG; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 04:49:59 PDT Received: from [24.214.163.54] by webmail08.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:49:22 GMT From: "Matt" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:49:22 GMT Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net As usual, the group came through with excellent info. Logistics ultimately made the call though, I started to order the lower cost, wifi booster only to find they were sold out so I shifted to the wired solution. I will post a short report when I get it hooked up. Thanks guys!Matt ---------- Original Message ---------- From: nick brearley To: Matt Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop Matt wrote: > My home wifi barely makes it to the shop - not a reliable signal. > _______________________________________________ Matt, I've used the Netgear wi-fi version of the newegg product for a year. See http://tinyurl.com/br844uh It's worked well in the house which is an old brick building and out in the shop which is separate from the house. You could install one near the pool but I can't say that using one has resulted in the appearance of any POGVAs in my shop... Nick _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Thu Sep 27 08:16:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F912D068C for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:16:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40F42D060F for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:14:51 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=teleport.com; b=cTECrfPYdPVHXjJaWw8/XVhKLpErWR/Z/a9UXOgIeljSSOotMlvahY3uGcCaCnMg; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [63.227.215.221] (helo=[192.168.0.183]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1THEuQ-0006S1-LI; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:17:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 07:17:45 -0700 From: Richard George User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 To: Matt , shoptalk References: <20120927.074922.14201.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I guess I'm too late to this thread, but I have a pretty long house with lots of obstructions and was having trouble getting a decent signal in the kid's room - putting a parabolic reflector on the antennas on the wifi box using the following design did the trick for me: http://limetrip.blogspot.com/2011/08/build-your-own-homemade-wi-fi-signal.html http://www.freeantennas.com/projects/template2/index.html Best, rkg (Richard George) On 9/27/2012 4:49 AM, Matt wrote: > As usual, the group came through with excellent info. Logistics ultimately > made the call though, I started to order the lower cost, wifi booster only to > find they were sold out so I shifted to the wired solution. I will post a > short report when I get it hooked up. Thanks guys!Matt > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: nick brearley > To: Matt > Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop > > Matt wrote: >> My home wifi barely makes it to the shop - not a reliable signal. >> _______________________________________________ > > Matt, > I've used the Netgear wi-fi version of the newegg product for a year. See > http://tinyurl.com/br844uh > It's worked well in the house which is an old brick building and out in > the shop which is separate from the house. You could install one near > the pool but I can't say that using one has resulted in the appearance > of any POGVAs in my shop... > Nick > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rkg@teleport.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Thu Sep 27 18:12:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860462D035A for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 816302D03DA for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:11:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.143] by nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2012 00:14:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.51] by tm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2012 00:14:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2012 00:14:38 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348791278; bh=WKYRTBeaM5nOwWMIZr7SW0cB+BrZusQ1gbx0ASswvOk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=owZsuWvmujEBcMe1Res9owsmLVtE2vlMo+/wDETQrooIQksNSpC4u6DhFLVsvAsJ41Bsjbm5cEkMEwCb2+ctevZw+IKdgx/wVr572AJc98Bp0FiLQD99k/Zt/6eHN/sVaYExSnZR/G1ewqiZkQwxVR2jhIaqv4HdOrcNapxqaPs= cpmUb0M8rE5C7ncBfGfruZbeVEJmCgTcXJ666WIG1_36n8GfZXJlhnS1Hsbl jd7wQ54ErSBQ0SGPgOfGCmoN293BP7afFGHyhcmEE1YWezM6vTOAj8wFw6ZL cJ7GspmYLxgcDfnlVZv0W858ffNr2v2jpspCMeE4aALcizZ3RckhZHRnOAPU SXcX6hDjfcVWCLoqiYuVesTrZvzrPJUBXvY5EVVmlJtFK_Lz4AjodI4SFqpT bMXkWgFcp4jdyaNK_DGi.67C0cFR5HDcR7qGDZYG91SckpOTDEJEJNnWZhtf F1XjySmUqCz4ZAE_bRHME04hUWXIg2la9ncl5DcRgomxLKdMNYElKqaSBBvp IUTH9S3w06_hffZSK9xphzAAm7uMC_OuIRwAvozvu2yQjQTVDu1r.ril8fe2 R0HX_OHADsrMA5MIOWM9pYXp6DSMsN8sORVICZ3rthkrgCX7IdGT4np3_OfP dbbWspWEZaCd7yUMn9H5PKJ1syT92UrEZ.JY1VvMC_tqniAz0mf93VEqfJhM Go_hA0Nn5GnTjNLbC5D3rlLYXcx2A9zdPoqm5jYMJLX78RtoIULkvmHviwNT YxF8GYaf35wfAFEHsoig2id1w5OMAyOYSmz8VmXyBL79FqkWLScDvrtHS4.k soZHHyZ2S5NhN2rY3joniLF2Fz2BQGcLtodSnMGsTc9Ap8gUTWaiP65e3sU3 1EdVvlw5SrISenSwter8uadfTR.XHJbttU4eP Received: from EntCentPC (jibjib@71.212.12.246 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2012 17:14:38 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'shoptalk'" References: <20120927.074922.14201.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> <50646009.7060500@teleport.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:14:46 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2cuzvRJjoFmWCfRY+vvcN2oR5icgAUgadA Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There is another choice. I reflashed my Linksys WRT54G router (others will work too) with Tomato software. The Linksys is set to transmit at a fairly low percentage of it's available power. The standard is 47 of 256 on the scale, yeah, about 20% of max. The recommendation on the street is to go to 100. It's a bit more of a complex solution, but doable. I have a friend who built a coffee can antenna and transmitted wifi over 10 miles, line of sight to a buddies home, across a bay. He's a Boeing electrical engineer and does stuff like that for fun. I am not using that boosted signal option. I hardwired the entire house and only have one or two non-critical wireless devices running. The can get what they get. Jack -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard George Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:18 AM To: Matt; shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop Hi, I guess I'm too late to this thread, but I have a pretty long house with lots of obstructions and was having trouble getting a decent signal in the kid's room - putting a parabolic reflector on the antennas on the wifi box using the following design did the trick for me: http://limetrip.blogspot.com/2011/08/build-your-own-homemade-wi-fi-signal.ht ml http://www.freeantennas.com/projects/template2/index.html Best, rkg (Richard George) On 9/27/2012 4:49 AM, Matt wrote: > As usual, the group came through with excellent info. Logistics ultimately > made the call though, I started to order the lower cost, wifi booster only to > find they were sold out so I shifted to the wired solution. I will post a > short report when I get it hooked up. Thanks guys!Matt > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: nick brearley > To: Matt > Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tech question - for the shop > > Matt wrote: >> My home wifi barely makes it to the shop - not a reliable signal. >> _______________________________________________ > > Matt, > I've used the Netgear wi-fi version of the newegg product for a year. See > http://tinyurl.com/br844uh > It's worked well in the house which is an old brick building and out in > the shop which is separate from the house. You could install one near > the pool but I can't say that using one has resulted in the appearance > of any POGVAs in my shop... > Nick > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/rkg@teleport.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 29 11:55:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DD32D028C for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 11:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BBD2D0249 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 11:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120929175640.XPGW12025.mta21.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:56:40 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id 55wg1k00B1F7hH5055wgnq; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:56:40 -0400 cv=nlrKf9u5uG3fs/vD0VBbL3/xzyN25p4t1WHsSeqasGo= c=1 sm=1 a=cxKuJJEeAZ8A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=f4ynmlXIY26FHqbQiKh3Jw==:17 a=8jMXwv-UF1BWqSFDomsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=hoUG8smIuuxKfXXhtOgA:9 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [96.42.24.160] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:56:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:56:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] tie rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Is there a trick to getting a new tie rod into the adjustment sleeve? I cannot, for the life of me, get the new tie rod end to start threading straight. It goes crooked on the first turn, everytime time. 96 S10 2WD if it matters..... thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 29 12:43:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB922D028B for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 12:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail965c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail965c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.155]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4B42D021C for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 12:42:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail965c35.nsolutionszone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail965c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q8TIjYbv029631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:45:34 GMT Received: (from webmail@localhost) by mail965c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.12.2/Submit) id q8TIjYpa029630; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:45:34 GMT Received: from 152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov (152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov [152.133.7.64]) by webmail2.centurytel.net (Webmail 4.0 V.V.I.) with HTTP for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:45:34 -0400 From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: "Shop Talk" , "Tim" Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:45:34 -0400 User-Agent: Webmail 4.0 a=vFMCQZgPscsA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=GPr01A5e9VcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=QiQcBifw3rKpjI8epQikPQ==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=bzwa1TEzb3ceq3LTQPMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=WkljmVdYkabdwxfqvArNOQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tie rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Quoting Tim : > Is there a trick to getting a new tie rod into the adjustment sleeve? I > cannot, for the life of me, get the new tie rod end to start threading > straight. It goes crooked on the first turn, everytime time. You likely need to 'chase' the threads. Once cross-threaded it will tend to follow that thread each time you try to assemble it (and get worse each time, too). Best would be to get a re-threading tap/die - less chance of cutting new (incorrect) threads. This is assuming the new part has the correct threads. Will the old tie rod thread back on OK? Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 29 12:57:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285952D027C for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 12:57:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1E92D021C for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 12:54:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120929185729.ZWBL24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11>; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:57:29 -0400 Received: from wt08 ([209.225.8.58]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id 56xV1k0071F7hH5056xVGN; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:57:29 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=cxKuJJEeAZ8A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=f4ynmlXIY26FHqbQiKh3Jw==:17 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=dNAFSVcFhhZpGVFajegA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=0Ob1RWNGeVAA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=1tjqaQL0AM0UPNcVwqj5HA==:117 Received: from [96.42.24.160] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:57:29 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:57:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: ejrussell@mebtel.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tie rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I just bought new sleeves and it still won't thread straight. Threads on the rod end are not crossed...WTF am I going wrong? On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM, ejrussell@mebtel.net wrote: > Quoting Tim : >> Is there a trick to getting a new tie rod into the adjustment sleeve? >> I >> cannot, for the life of me, get the new tie rod end to start >> threading >> straight. It goes crooked on the first turn, everytime time. > > You likely need to 'chase' the threads. Once cross-threaded it will > tend to follow that thread each time you try to assemble it (and get > worse each time, too). Best would be to get a re-threading tap/die - > less chance of cutting new (incorrect) threads. This is assuming the > new part has the correct threads. Will the old tie rod thread back on > OK? > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 29 13:30:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0712D0223 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:30:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail02.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 224432D0223 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:30:29 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1348947215; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=eBzk9wGvxvrJKKXFcx1wbSdA5fidO82ibK87oRg+iMJgGzMZHo4yWfjvfYyTl7rcp OdvjvYChkUUXeX9UU16R2P+2ZAaw0LqrN7ATueTOkPJ2BedNZMVII/ES0gwhAeVPi6 d8i5MF/VE7gf3Z02twTPWArXL3o8bz7NhuqJr31k= Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABJGQVHSAZJ6MXS for (sender ); Sat, 29 Sep 2012 12:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from scottmryan@netzero.net) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id SKUFCF23; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 12:33:04 PDT Received: from [64.131.4.150] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:33:02 GMT From: "scottmryan@netzero.net" Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:33:02 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tie rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sometimes I have spread out the sleeve with a large flatblade screwdriver to allow me to get it at least a half inch in (that was with old rusty sleeves about 25 years ago) Scott R >I just bought new sleeves and it still won't thread straight. Threads on >the rod end are not crossed...WTF am I going wrong? ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/50674cf0eb9314cf04c47st01duc _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 29 14:33:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70652D0286 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:33:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C069A2D0218 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120929203642.CQVL10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:36:42 -0400 Received: from wt03 ([209.225.8.43]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id 58ci1k00U0vicD5058ciyz; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:36:42 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=cxKuJJEeAZ8A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=f4ynmlXIY26FHqbQiKh3Jw==:17 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=6nzfvutkVu8ypPQlmDMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=0Ob1RWNGeVAA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=McgGDYYTR-HYwo1j:21 a=cGBygZLQil2VM6IK:21 a=f4ynmlXIY26FHqbQiKh3Jw==:117 Received: from [96.42.24.160] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:36:42 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:36:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tie rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well, I am an idiot and freely admit it with my hand held high. The new ones have the same length ball joint end threads. The old ones didn't. I thought I had the new outer since the threaded end of the new one looked longer than the other new one. Once I realized it was not the outer end, it went right together. Free idiot training here from the master. tim On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Tim wrote: > I just bought new sleeves and it still won't thread straight. Threads > on the rod end are not crossed...WTF am I going wrong? > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM, ejrussell@mebtel.net wrote: > >> Quoting Tim : >>> Is there a trick to getting a new tie rod into the adjustment >>> sleeve? I >>> cannot, for the life of me, get the new tie rod end to start >>> threading >>> straight. It goes crooked on the first turn, everytime time. >> >> You likely need to 'chase' the threads. Once cross-threaded it will >> tend to follow that thread each time you try to assemble it (and get >> worse each time, too). Best would be to get a re-threading tap/die - >> less chance of cutting new (incorrect) threads. This is assuming the >> new part has the correct threads. Will the old tie rod thread back on >> OK? >> >> Eric Russell >> Mebane, NC > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 29 15:52:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2272D0275 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 15:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C0E2D0221 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 15:51:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so12296379ied.14 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:54:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=n4SmWSERUzf1xQt9X2ldxfW6e4PryVt5xpPF8rpfj1I=; b=S741SPuUVXYjwIVZ8DkbYOKpDdH3DQMw+EyT/wwfx0vOD3+K2cjN4in5oUd6EMqsMw 9EXuEirLqhxBnpcEZ7NkPaDoLm9iL1sGh9vTick37bYMxeolZur7w+QNM2KPfO2Evlz1 +70aOa8W551y9C7+yp6BSW8f26EXTZiCL/tzrDEZt94o2eVSggdyGZYZPuLBLHfieHcR 1KZN6ituY9G81zt6NQoX0IcUWNlvCebKZlAhwqYfNgXZGcDqS1abZbVTQlqQeDDKk4Nb iu+jPqt9YAb8Y0ykr6WkEnxNc6k9H6fVZ1ieWDUCI7IdMJRL0BlE0sb7Fi20SuyPDtGv XZrw== Received: by 10.50.161.136 with SMTP id xs8mr2024099igb.67.1348955695329; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.69.198 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:54:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <5395b95e.4b7378.13a13becea0.Webtop.43@charter.net> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:54:55 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tie rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Tim wrote: > The new ones have the same length ball joint end threads. The old ones > didn't. I thought I had the new outer since the threaded end of the new one > looked longer than the other new one. Once I realized it was not the outer > end, it went right together. > Be aware that some cars have left-hand threads on one side of the tie rod. I suppose you have a steering rack car, so that wasn't the problem in your case, but still... Jeff Wossisname Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 29 16:24:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCD22D027C for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:24:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.246]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 646082D0221 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:24:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2012 22:27:17 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.99] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2012 22:27:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2012 22:27:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 60014 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2012 22:27:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1348957637; bh=LAQnFe9KU1ugO1pNecXGsGIhdoKb8XGBaWF2B3ChRqE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=6WqyTFZJb1MIRTmPllQIeM4YAxgrC0mPOFshCbcvOH4N6Fr3KzGVvn+oZXUV+XhL5/AY8Vh/GhDdzVxDR2P2MZnC4SAhn5Uo9CGH7xgBvH1mRz0rrCQCMMEqCi6RcmzsCq3834n0HTvHQteug/D3OhU3k2O4SsnRAg3Lva0WCQ4= sH1BcsuVfXqkY66V1fNECMw4W4rVLcZb27tbb_oxhl3Fesq.hvbl1ITe.hiZ C6aOcO9LmVIBIVWNY82BIQb3lfu5BVnHRtCvvSMmQHE4PfYK.JN6mFItiRGy KfaKRGSsiatXuZ3QkGOBY0s99dtyBKqGPHnhtPqMan_QzzmIHwsGCDIoOm4b xRKgzSRHIy3XkCPzKehIuDj6hVnEQuTtLUBKUxgp0K13a5qQAhzt0QIbBZp. ZTJocI2dI9HBigffORCS8NIbT83iv5D4htetDME91RfW7KHNTyjK0JcWx21A cXOv5yUesdwYi4NTruJFBmcuSnV8uYB0fjXqO_XODre2bWL2Qb3GTM.UExQe uCffTEMxcJ1Prb_DuyItZn1ynIJoBkdmXilRSM9vwQYKJOj1AKRmLawSYMTr ng5lL3z5asoU4WwJpEkkkuLXwYm.MjaezsRfOb483DkRnhht1uauGT90sgW_ TNCFgkRrzwk2q11F3vWQ- Received: from EntCentPC (jibjib@71.212.12.246 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2012 15:27:17 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Shop Talk'" References: <5395b95e.4b7378.13a13becea0.Webtop.43@charter.net> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 15:27:30 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2egjejmR964AKGSJa88VN4cQ6I6gADvcYg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tie rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Trust me; You are not alone! Jack -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:37 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tie rods Well, I am an idiot and freely admit it with my hand held high. The new ones have the same length ball joint end threads. The old ones didn't. I thought I had the new outer since the threaded end of the new one looked longer than the other new one. Once I realized it was not the outer end, it went right together. Free idiot training here from the master. tim On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Tim wrote: > I just bought new sleeves and it still won't thread straight. Threads > on the rod end are not crossed...WTF am I going wrong? > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM, ejrussell@mebtel.net wrote: > >> Quoting Tim : >>> Is there a trick to getting a new tie rod into the adjustment >>> sleeve? I >>> cannot, for the life of me, get the new tie rod end to start >>> threading >>> straight. It goes crooked on the first turn, everytime time. >> >> You likely need to 'chase' the threads. Once cross-threaded it will >> tend to follow that thread each time you try to assemble it (and get >> worse each time, too). Best would be to get a re-threading tap/die - >> less chance of cutting new (incorrect) threads. This is assuming the >> new part has the correct threads. Will the old tie rod thread back on >> OK? >> >> Eric Russell >> Mebane, NC > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 29 17:25:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9081F2D0288 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406DA2D0221 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:18:36 -0600 (MDT) To: Tim From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:13:06 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 09/29/2012 19:13:01, Serialize complete at 09/29/2012 19:13:01 Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tie rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'd hate to state the obvious, but are you sure you got the right side? (it's possible the threads are left handed on one side and right handed on the other.) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Tim Sent by: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 09/29/2012 14:52 To ejrussell@mebtel.net cc Shop Talk Subject Re: [Shop-talk] tie rods I just bought new sleeves and it still won't thread straight. Threads on the rod end are not crossed...WTF am I going wrong? On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM, ejrussell@mebtel.net wrote: > Quoting Tim : >> Is there a trick to getting a new tie rod into the adjustment sleeve? >> I >> cannot, for the life of me, get the new tie rod end to start >> threading >> straight. It goes crooked on the first turn, everytime time. > > You likely need to 'chase' the threads. Once cross-threaded it will > tend to follow that thread each time you try to assemble it (and get > worse each time, too). Best would be to get a re-threading tap/die - > less chance of cutting new (incorrect) threads. This is assuming the > new part has the correct threads. Will the old tie rod thread back on > OK? > > Eric Russell > Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces-archive@autox.team.net Sat Sep 29 19:14:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DB82D01FC for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD38E2D01C1 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:10:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120930011328.FWQQ10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:13:28 -0400 Received: from wt05 ([209.225.8.45]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id 5DDU1k00D0yHwtd05DDUlv; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:13:28 -0400 cv=nlrKf9u5uG3fs/vD0VBbL3/xzyN25p4t1WHsSeqasGo= c=1 sm=1 a=cxKuJJEeAZ8A:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=f4ynmlXIY26FHqbQiKh3Jw==:17 a=rvhl0HWLwqh0T240hAEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=f4ynmlXIY26FHqbQiKh3Jw==:117 Received: from [96.42.24.160] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:13:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 21:13:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] tie rods Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net We idiots stand united! _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive