From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 03:55:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B822D02F3 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 03:55:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-65-40-236-36.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.40.236.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514842D01B3 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 03:55:30 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 05:51:51 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/01/2012 05:51:09, Serialize complete at 08/01/2012 05:51:09 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Exterior nighttime surveillance cameras? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Scott writes... >I think if I had concerns, I'd find a telephone pole and sink it maybe >six feet deep. It's real easy to identify a hoodlum as the ambulance is >carrying them off and you can take their i.d. from their wallet after >their pants are cut off them. That's what I did. I got the official .PDF from the post office about mailbox placement (Email me if you want a copy) and I made my mailbox post to fit the regs (or at least my best interpretation as the document contracts itself in a few places.) What I ended up with was 2 X 2.5" rebar posts that go about 4' deep into the ground and 5" steel C beam to tie them together. Check out the photo... http://www.megageek.com/photoalbums/NavigationalBuoys/navigationalbuoysinstalled.html Of course I used 'approved' mailboxes (these are the cheapest I could find). One other thing I did was to set my mailboxes about 5' back from the road, then I paved the gap. You can see it in this photo... http://www.megageek.com/photoalbums/NavigationalBuoys/navigationalbuoysinstalled6.html This way I can sit in front of my mailbox with my truck and not be in the road. The mailman is happier and the kids can't turn into it at any speed. The real reason I did it was the snow plows around here are operated by NASCAR so I would often have to fix my mailbox because the snow that was plowed into them. Problem solved. PS, yes, those are real navigational buoys in front of my place. I got tired of people going to the wrong driveway. 8>) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 05:01:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D0E2D0300 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 05:01:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1542D026C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 05:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so8269653vbk.14 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:03:41 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:x-gm-message-state; bh=vmPsT/q2toR7/4uCOu2QiomAw4BSQjzI4JEO4vnX5lU=; b=U1WhzBp2Hix4IWnBiHBMkaCGmp0/THBsR4KfFz3zigGQbTwz6m+08qQe5NLfLc0FsH dp9ugCis0PFQT0VG4MH+g2MFv/w46souC3iKCXtcmlRq7w10IB0cC78k9194PD8iGTEH VgdzjWABw1J5nQhmI1hcvf81NVv5wZa7r617JezFr3pcOXaNkEbyzmzA/AxweFuSMJl1 3aAwnMZScvQ/R16odnGvi2tk1wLEx7lWfubBFQ8WE7/CxUyDTugyYfNJ4HYwedM4Czes x6ibUqwlVMBUyRHQxz3Qy24euu7ZlC3/+Ia2pJRj0HbIkA2wdALTdJl2QbbvZJhm0N+H zdsg== Received: by 10.221.0.78 with SMTP id nl14mr10467419vcb.21.1343819021757; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GeraldPC (d28-23-189-29.dim.wideopenwest.com. [23.28.29.189]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ek5sm2492703vdb.5.2012.08.01.04.03.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:03:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gerald Brazil" To: "'Jim Franklin'" , "'shop-talk List'" References: <7984298D-9820-476B-BBBB-C6991D67FA0A@groupwbench.org> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 07:03:38 -0400 Thread-Index: AQMSKEtB3GcKHLTp3I/LOYhjcVKp9ZS7WboA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Exterior nighttime surveillance cameras? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Any kid who will beat on your mailbox with a ball bat will attack your motion-sensor camera with equal vigor.... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 05:44:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62A22D0324 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 05:44:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3262D02B8 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 05:37:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by weys10 with SMTP id s10so6409090wey.14 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:39:54 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=63awlawD1eMuR8UjFaAVPP3Rh9F4jsWWNBq9Fn0JKk8=; b=L4hTJ0+zlkKlFHJLz3yc9I56AsEUW2bKl2fIan8v8qe6/WP7C+hlNGmt+Pna3K2itd 7z/MLCMmeYxmDzfuSxAauZdDMnCOi1lai49QOSMqOzLtDiMcNTA7KgFk38LlpiABvj7K 1icLztpR6nF6ZQYiAEyiSPv/lJi2xRNPE9rWYqGQ1bwQRcTyy/vV/AREMAPEtkWdwCXp cik6dVna7yEIc+mbKbaMXm/rmukeQ+Sw4d4LGHF+fcAsBAMdnvtT/rlczDuHfLSGRWIp Pxk8UYP3ffXn4sIlfZBda724HDo1x3iQiEwls4y37gRTJpoLcyLOfRR7bzU4gejiRUWs IWnA== Received: by 10.216.29.17 with SMTP id h17mr8467400wea.221.1343821194662; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.16.95 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 04:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 07:39:54 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk , Spitfire Group Subject: [Shop-talk] Other Haynes Manuals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Everybody is certainly familiar with the Haynes manuals for cars, but I found they have manuals for other things, done in the characteristic Haynes style: http://www.haynes.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=44863&langId=-1 Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 07:56:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202CC2C0D0C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 07:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.116]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 855E22D0292 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 12:34:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.86] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 12:34:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 12:34:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 17362 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2012 12:34:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1343824448; bh=jlfypI93kAmoVZ7SfzkilvwXkQ8NLOFPBlxkM40b37g=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ryDnOgnWjVzrtK19+9nNSZAEvbUL6j65sIP494/iJDYqHyYu73KMl6qkmvTVoh9kkxhkOcBk50YEp/L8faP9FiYE28Vs3wC8XhNEZlaQEA6nPitIV7stM5biShtc8TRSFDl08mEfe78SAyEn0n1X3eAMN6Sp0rcdr1YHWG+ohyQ= s=s1024; d=swbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RzHdaVmZaXq+LeMba6BmGsIPORdB5ZrJVAAoQrcKxrT2F1PmNRMhfWiEk1754HmxyXP22k+hRS7sUYn+ff1ovBe2FlpmI5uO+MZct6DvBqgVj8EtDOOU7x+3KcTsokoKcctzS9GzmBRJfMw/9BG3NOtg5HDOcYBQk4XeuycuOrE=; kPYe8ov6TNambpNIPH2eCftoirPbLSA6p.3APp8wNpyv26.91NYiCs2iQn.D 8MD.FEhLgbyNT6uDnIMlJf2KlaUu_qHE.798FldoDTCGnfW1DpJg11Gk2238 syiYRm7udJQZp8IioNiMDSzFHH73_1kzzPBl7a6PfQgAm9oSdLHmEKKvMfZM F5lB7JcswidzoT6ZGDTjwwoBqNavfZEhv8qofwvkTJPriW_Ul79hGSLUCRpE B4lqE7Aw0GjRuyiSPrLzrlbCIm5SB_.aXWEUdlg2hJmJtJvHPEPE7wfXXjmA P9fDWLSHdEXW6hX88Z6mNLPBoFtd3DrP3NJKT9m7_r.Db_YKqxUvn8wQNmTU 5KZammE5tUR00wo7UkR9zALmfVTW1wGuk4ef.oYRjPDGuZl5mDBVSiEEaO3i T_YQlEwUbbMfPWfSlbNE6_P_S_hoQxYCC9eAIZRJNesVK5Gxym1_BH4yoSwh bl3lHQHIvnfT13kX..51JoD3ZsG2EcsfJwdSB8nNVaIH5DXdtOMkX5kd5.BJ mlQwAwsAMYuUjRA6F7DjBjnHtwp.5MaMSTY67RKBN8fGRNqLxgOV6UwIAP5C PmoKF2vGOnSHEfZoJ9Bu_13kIaSz_1y.bzNFyvQFBfxpkNitwcNG6ui0_7zU Ccs8cuiy8FmVyOXg3DIqr1DQoMak2cw-- Received: from [69.149.42.22] by web184706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:34:08 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 05:34:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwade Reinsch To: Mike Rambour , Dave C Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] concrete mixer issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Growing up on the farm, we had problems like this with rusty plows until they would "scour" (polish up and start rolling the dirt over.) Maybe don't start with water and concrete mix but just dry mix, let it run until the stone and grit has cleaned up the left over-stuck on bits of concrete from the last job and then add water. YMMV. Cotton farmer Dwade --- On Tue, 7/31/12, Dave C wrote: From: Dave C Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] concrete mixer issue To: "Mike Rambour" Cc: "shop-talk" Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 10:42 PM I have a Harbor Freight mixer, probably the same as yours or similar. Mine does the same thing sometimes. I was mixing up 60 pound bags last week to set some posts for a lumber rack and after the first batch (2 60# bags) I noticed it sticking to the bottom. I just stopped it, dug it off the bottom with a shovel, rotated it 180* and dug the rest off, and turned it back on. I was only mixing six bags so it wasn't a huge deal but it is kind of a PITA. Next time I'll probably use my sharpshooter shovel. I think if I dumped all the concrete mix (dry) into one wheelbarrow and then shoveled it into the mixer while it was running, shoveling a little and then adding a little water, it would probably work better, but that's just as much trouble. Sorry, no pizza oven comments. On 7/31/2012 10:57 AM, Mike Rambour wrote: > 2 years ago I bought a concrete mixer from Home Depot and I used it quite a bit for a month or so, no issues then it sat for 2 years. Last week I used it again, no issues. This Saturday and again last night I used it again and it was a pain to use. The concrete was sticking/drying to the bottom of the drum like crazy and I kept having to turn it off and using a garden trowel, scrape the bottom of the drum. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dreinsch@swbell.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 10:59:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25AC2D0308 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 10:59:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CBF2D01B3 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0M8300BYM1OJD1E0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 11:26:06 -0400 From: Steven Trovato mail.com> To: Doug Braun , Shop-Talk References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Other Haynes Manuals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If anyone is looking for these in the US, I believe they are available at Little British Car Co. Go to www.lbcarco.com and go to the "special offers and great gift ideas" section. Scroll down to "Practical step-by-step manuals for Mens health, Womens health (for men), baby care, Teenagers and sex." They are $35 each. From what I understand, they are not just jokes. They are intended to actually convey useful information. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 07:39 AM 8/1/2012, Doug Braun wrote: >Everybody is certainly familiar with the Haynes manuals for cars, but I >found they have manuals for other things, done >in the characteristic Haynes style: > >http://www.haynes.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=44863&langId=-1 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 13:55:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33892D0394 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DCF2D02AC for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:54:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.52]) by cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120801191541164.JWJK22060@cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:15:41 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=L0jfYZkDL1oA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=C_1zK1ZpwIAZ2kIinCMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:23496] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id D8/40-13948-D1089105; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:14:38 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Shop-Talk'" References: <0M8300BYO1OKD1E0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:15:18 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac1wB2N/5+EuifoGQaOshXhASou3DAAEkIgw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Other Haynes Manuals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > From what I > understand, they are not just jokes. They are intended to actually > convey useful information. I bought the "sex" one strictly for joke value. The book is serious, but don't expect to learn anything from it. I still think it's funny, but my friends don't see the humor. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 14:12:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0312D0391 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:12:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393C82D0337 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:10:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0M8300MU6ETKHJE0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for Shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:11:09 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: Randall , 'Shop-Talk' References: <0M8300BYO1OKD1E0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <000d01cd7019$fdcb8800$f9629800$@rr.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Other Haynes Manuals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I guess it depends on how much you know to start with. At 03:15 PM 8/1/2012, Randall wrote: >I bought the "sex" one strictly for joke value. The book is serious, but >don't expect to learn anything from it. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 14:16:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068E82D0395 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB022D0363 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so9251017yhr.14 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:18:27 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/v8gmWCvwAvOaTyBq02KWeO+uKBdBnrY5G9oiTHMdOo=; b=IFHEiDStG1ddJ+QFn0rgVPiylkkUGhysF4b65aQz5N/+tFn94NiakLRF+dbMIOMgD7 YQAhdZzqk4whYNAkR99qSZtkVg5d+w+LFoM2nU5iY1MLtskOEjv1pOlms1Hlk7BV5izA 17Y0S2CYDUEPKU6v/W4IJfdLSB58edCwxnT9UG0KdQ84RJUlGPNE1RBlXPOZpuKuIwI1 e+iFnTbj/vpAGszdwZ2ORa4TydedKpF9wKRuFZ9M9kLZTODaaw4On6+TEDVq4Cl8yiah UTOFDyoiirFfuK6o3tSfzsY2Nh2JR4Z5wX8rwwBwjHkH2FYmsJen/Hr5wu3Rc+rTsrms xgvQ== Received: by 10.236.155.10 with SMTP id i10mr18366742yhk.91.1343852307485; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.174.8] ([216.173.174.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x8sm7202189yhd.18.2012.08.01.13.18.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:18:26 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <0M8300BYO1OKD1E0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <000d01cd7019$fdcb8800$f9629800$@rr.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Other Haynes Manuals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My ex didn't see the humor in our sex life either. Maybe the book would have told me not to laugh. Hey-yo! (Rimshot). On 8/1/2012 3:15 PM, Randall wrote: > I still think it's funny, but my friends don't see the humor. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 14:32:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F8C2D03A8 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:32:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B472D0373 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20120801202029384.KYKX22060@cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:20:29 +0000 a=F6dBScmNy4OC8D3dzqHblA==:17 a=s3lYVikHr30A:10 a=L0jfYZkDL1oA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=LblhyIPEAAAA:8 a=ksO0qel01_aui5N2y60A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=F6dBScmNy4OC8D3dzqHblA==:117 Received: from [67.246.22.17] ([67.246.22.17:1711] helo=ebay.nycap.rr.com) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 14/B4-28917-F4F89105; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:19:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:19:28 -0400 To: "'Shop-Talk'" From: Skip Albright References: <0M8300BYO1OKD1E0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <000d01cd7019$fdcb8800$f9629800$@rr.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Other Haynes Manuals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Installation is the reverse of removal......... At 03:15 PM 8/1/2012, you wrote: > > From what I > > understand, they are not just jokes. They are intended to actually > > convey useful information. > >I bought the "sex" one strictly for joke value. The book is serious, but >don't expect to learn anything from it. > >I still think it's funny, but my friends don't see the humor. > >-- Randall >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/salbrigh@nycap.rr.com Nothing is as it appears Skip Albright Glenmont NY salbrigh@nycap.rr.com http://www.volvoskip.com/ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 16:32:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BD12D047B for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:32:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm33-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm33-vm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0015A2D03A5 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:28:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.141] by nm33.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 22:31:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.227] by tm12.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 22:31:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2012 22:31:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 68940 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2012 22:31:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1343860272; bh=TBgvCzIayZwhwiqtkBLcKc2qXG0+Za5rk0WCEsMMs1k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NQmwVgI0MTNwDiykCBPt1As4YkhdTrYmnTsi8l9lqrvvlOkua5sJOv27fMA3TO+rW4Vbqq/hJSU7y0Bbal0WE+6Q43GIRZGoMLQvyX23RXKY2puOUrlWDqUBLI5tieA73ckvrqVOZ/nZPTN/L3MbgWfEYKWsqy7vM+0ngneHwP0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vFq7tJ0PnloDUX4VhTxdcsmIc4ztYoPnNv9XlbtcQgDO0Eanw8O5Pq9KkNCWZ9vm7PmBkpm669IRRv6JYbNejs7LrYFFmEjTDaI/b77qm27xbqpuot18CYJhj4MviO5x4wYzPoRynlX/FpvixN8eM2L/oznqi3x59OIgZmMK0ZM=; qe2RM.813iHlHHaWuxkehCR6KjfbkHPM5A6RtTzB9OS6Vw9VyWhIjtre0UoZ PAB6wcM.l0MlDKJaMVD8FPOp0lxPpXyEUo3N6vsoPhoJqtHoYOENENtQVcvq TNChF3h8.TeNWbNLw4pXKaibgVh1F_4eOKT8aQjhnn4uZYBvSO3fBhNeXubP g0Da.0KdDxv2J_fPWm6cC6hlUOazUWQNDVxL4ICqzkqYXuI8Fd0rvRe3cEWp 113pmehKTQUMV5ex_6ftXn8bnM72o1V4JD0YnJMZVzbpWhIanD1B990sN8vG tXcd7rk2baauXxNk_ptAsX6eXRnIluS7F9XwcnFBIZ06iYHEans_V9LvRpAL 6ZNYawlELSAGmdAtHmORcVtSlWdXmgHwdcqPHTHof.Rw7x3bDIkYG8zgFics Smyt6AjmWFYC3zP8iRs59Yp_2TKOf5MURw4jQ52hepEM3sSE1tH.h19DaVcp F Received: from [72.145.1.190] by web140006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:31:12 PDT References: <7984298D-9820-476B-BBBB-C6991D67FA0A@groupwbench.org> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:31:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Exterior nighttime surveillance cameras? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The lower end Foscam IP cameras have been getting good reviews on Amazon. I might end up with a few by the end of the year. I did one of the q-see surveillance systems for my aunt's business. I discovered in the process that the consumer grade DVR's record a really small CIF format real time video. Small enough to be relatively useless. It will do D1 format at a slower frame rate, but I'd rather have real time video at a higher resolution. I will most likely get another DVR system for me before I get the IP camera, but one that does D1 format on all channels at real time. It seems the 'elite' series of the q-see brand does this, at higher cost of course. For best resolution, the higher end IP camera's are the way to go, but you're gonna' pay if you go that route and it uses a LOT of hard drive space. Comparison: 500gb hard drive with 4 CIF format and 4 D1 format camera is full in 20 days. 2TB with a few higher end 1080p cameras will probably be just as long before the hard drive is full. Check youtube for some outstanding video of those cameras. The motion sensing for me has been relatively useless, no matter how I adjust the sensitivity. I get lots of flying things and moving sun shadows. You could also test the X-10 stuff to see if it will work for you. It didn't for me and got returned, but seems to be working for some people. Regards, Brian >________________________________ > From: Jim Franklin >To: shop-talk List >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:36 PM >Subject: [Shop-talk] Exterior nighttime surveillance cameras? > >I'm interested in recording any movement such as kids driving by my mailbox >with a baseball bat I mean seeing what wildlife comes through my yard at >night. Ideally it would be motion sensor activated but with a very short >delay, and quick recovery from headlights. Anything you use and like? >(snip) _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 17:35:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712142D0438 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:35:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEAF2D041C for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hYzS1j00E1YDfWL53bVkbP; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:29:44 +0000 Received: from stargate ([67.167.187.93]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hbVU1j00V21LTYK3gbVUPY; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:29:28 +0000 From: "gordies garage" To: "shop-talk List" References: <7984298D-9820-476B-BBBB-C6991D67FA0A@groupwbench.org> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:34:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Exterior nighttime surveillance cameras? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just do what I did, place a small mailbox inside a large mailbox and fill the space between with concrete. Placed on a 4" x 6" post, sunk in concrete, I've had one hit in the last 25 yrs. I heard the "Oww, sh*t" in the middle of the night from that one. Nobody has bothered to even try since. Gordie -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Franklin" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:36 PM To: "shop-talk List" Subject: [Shop-talk] Exterior nighttime surveillance cameras? > I'm interested in recording any movement such as kids driving by my > mailbox > with a baseball bat I mean seeing what wildlife comes through my yard at > night. Ideally it would be motion sensor activated but with a very short > delay, and quick recovery from headlights. Anything you use and like? > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mg_garage@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 18:38:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D23E2D0525 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:38:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315842D04DA for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggm4 with SMTP id 4so9495629ggm.14 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:35:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dkeiE5XhUG+7Afc1+wMS1KVCdtawAI3j4deUHV38QAU=; b=B1TfTidfD3rAPFqDkA8gG/hBaBJnoXX+QONurEsWAxuLNMeC/XVEQnKo1uFvPVKP+w k+0mTKW0Yne3EpWBXT1VzyqPO1m7ztDlfzvn1zU3bEyyyeZaaJai/Mm5C8PEIo69Gpxc 3TN3ZZ/RWCxht4+7eeB0xBIAiLvOpNkwaPYXfuyKwXylGID/dvOb29bi2qhONhaXmgL1 oylR3HlFwFwMTy5479k/Gc5RFuZVt5DSqTF44+7YWmV1AHVNkp19yOmqmeBy1DCOhXC7 o3yPSgE2wQjjkyK1/TyTTSPqFZe4ailn2gdui6f0gW8mQy1Tx/njNJM8aKA9HEsEZk6l a9YQ== Received: by 10.42.162.195 with SMTP id z3mr516892icx.4.1343867720195; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.34.70 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:35:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <7984298D-9820-476B-BBBB-C6991D67FA0A@groupwbench.org> <07FF20484B974E3A8AA9E5E478B02539@stargate> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:35:20 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: gordies garage Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Exterior nighttime surveillance cameras? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net *We had a customer; fed up with having his mailbox run over by jacked up pickup trucks, brought us a 12 foot piece of oil field drill stem to weld on a mail box mount plate . . . he was gonna "wood-grain" the pipe" we don't know the rest of the story but I have this visual image of a 4WD Chevy impaled like a Popsicle on a stick.* *Tony * _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 19:29:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E86A2D0504 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:29:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s21.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s21.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC7B2D04CA for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:29:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT127-W58 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s21.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 18:31:39 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:31:39 -0400 References: <7984298D-9820-476B-BBBB-C6991D67FA0A@groupwbench.org>, <1343860272.67950.YahooMailNeo@web140006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> FILETIME=[909CAF40:01CD704E] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Exterior nighttime surveillance cameras? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The Foscams on Amazon are not genuine and will not get you any warranty or support from Foscam. Foscam.us run deals all the time for discounts on their cameras. I have two of them, an outdoor and an indoor. The outdoor one recently stopped working after a couple years of service, I've not yet determined what the issue is... They are cheap and pretty good for the price, however the weather might've gotten to mine despite it being mounted under an eave - the inside of it showed no water damage when disassembled... The indoor one has pan and tilt as well, and I can control it all from an app on my Android phone. It can be finicky to configure, but the cameras take pretty good night vision video, you can adjust brightness and contrast to help the picture. If you play with lens sizes you can get a wide or narrow focused view. No zoom on either indoor or outdoor models. One advantage I use on the indoor camera is that it will detect motion and can email you pictures it takes when it detects motion, I use it sometimes when I'm away. Can also upload pics to an FTP site. With some extra software you can "DVR" the video as well though I never tried. same for the outdoor however expect to get alot of "false positives". Now thinking of getting an indoor camera for the inside of my garage to really catch anyone who manages to get in, and to keep it out of the elements. -PJ > The lower end Foscam IP cameras have been getting good reviews on Amazon. I > might end up with a few by the end of the year. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 1 22:50:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBED2D04E7 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.132]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CD392D048F for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2012 04:44:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.65] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2012 04:44:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2012 04:44:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 17485 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2012 04:44:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1343882647; bh=ignDWv4e7L8JPFyTh2gLJjVH5hyBW8VegajCNp+4bfo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NPQr8t+cEVdkADlcoWfk7cF1mhb7OKM/Rd5FHqCqCzV7rx5apOdQdusXxM2ftEsypLtfPb+Zl41SZX+mVGX0Oz6qdRTbfcMjDdq3v+VaMcv2Yu9WHpyTfElUmthBN3+1nQGAT88p+OcX5eeWjcHkWcvyXJEufqIzp7VU0Pdm0Z0= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2Mv+TFVdUakHTOoxtUvp+3KysRoiJeVQvXstQBjw5dHyePisVfHYuRikq9DzjEEPgrrViDJVXbwIWZZ7zVZi2ZiiTcw6WVXeLIvJ3UbIHmWmq6EWjta9ndN2dAghlPgKt7HqtKXz6RPKf0y7jV+rrhWKQJfn/+hy167I9Ui9iYs=; Received: from [66.143.52.89] by web184502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:44:06 PDT References: <7984298D-9820-476B-BBBB-C6991D67FA0A@groupwbench.org> <07FF20484B974E3A8AA9E5E478B02539@stargate> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 21:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Rand E To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Exterior nighttime surveillance cameras? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I had a neighbor that was tired of people running over his mailbox. Somewhere he got a crankshaft from a tractor. Seems like it was a 10- or 12-cylinder inline. He sunk that in concrete as the post. One night someone tried to run his mailbox down again. They ended up being hauled of on a towtruck and the mailbox was still standing. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mistertwo@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 2 08:35:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE3F2D03A9 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:35:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3AD2D0390 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so6244059wgb.20 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:38:00 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=rCJiVXICciosjP3/5PnJLdBE7DzTq117G//zVCFeBSs=; b=J9ceBhlK0KI8eF9Eyw/38DyLbVqJd6LVItJX++nG0wuNFAt9uuErZnKRneOYq3WCUl NBZsspfpviGCJAaXXHPdjEI2yh6nE6gO5llf4voeTIm71zBAhgoULbE74gmBU6g0UdIl uFEEf4AP+XP1E0c5jcdOK1KI+yPLQj+EI5vr7xlA7BjgVGXkPxnbCM8YPv84NjZCifTd ktrg8PbW0v55LFMCrD6mXWakH8y5lel+KF22DwrvuL3SA1lkiwhatliqx0uDpVZmFRAf nmjnF8qzCfBQWiew5wFjQdoNH9aI8wLwpJsAktjCmmjDBXGNtVFVlLVtEY05N5uZvU19 1sZQ== Received: by 10.216.29.10 with SMTP id h10mr10821328wea.126.1343918280234; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.16.95 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 07:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:38:00 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk , Spitfire Group Subject: [Shop-talk] Cutting spot welds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, I'm replacing the lower rear valence panel on my Spit, because it was bashed up years ago, and crudely repaired with bondo. I've been using a cheap HF spot-weld drill bit to separate the spot welds, and that is going faster than I expected, especially since the Spitfire sheet metal is so thin. But does anybody know the best way to grind down those little discs of metal that the drill leaves behind? (My drill bit is like a little hole-cutter.) I need to grind them flush, without cutting too deeply into the second, remaining panel. BTW, I'll probably spring for a HF electric spot-welder to attach the new panel. Thanks again, Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 2 08:46:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BDC2D04AC for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91842D039B; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:43:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so6253065wgb.20 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:45:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xko/nQwqXdl5/M5p3ntzHKu9YM+nL4nM6yscf0uvYX0=; b=sb0ZQ+pJQSEBpsmgNcGlEuL2evjXEuXa1FkQeE3K3Ovx/6lrDLVqc1SG7A13vIkP+U kiVS9Wg6coby0AQ15/QwBL0js58MyDRddoc08w2XCXkWtOrmKOs/IVWkUOQJvy4/3bbJ Z105vnnrXw07SRoBXawK3b5ArxCZN8Mmp5VDK9FV+rulPIjUTKayYHCfpl0jwiaLrtfu YJfO71Iee99Y/dbeXoTggJDPeKE6FWUfzx4pkHn1bhWNFE6ySDaInF9p9fRukLGp42Fu ctLuUzdTM/VdXWUp4GXMa60XhKam67JkrtnM9szGAuK8ZLZBSBhKduJlH1gyBZ3b/LIY mhMA== Received: by 10.50.34.200 with SMTP id b8mr4110036igj.50.1343918756962; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.25.167 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 07:45:56 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:45:56 -0400 From: Benjamin Zwissler To: Doug Braun Cc: Spitfire Group , Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting spot welds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've used a die grinder (slower) or a grinding disk in an angle grinder (faster if you can position it). Either way requires some caution to make sure youd don't cut too deep into the "good" metal. Ben..... On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Doug Braun wrote: > Hello, > > I'm replacing the lower rear valence panel on my Spit, because it was > bashed up > years ago, and crudely repaired with bondo. I've been using a cheap HF > spot-weld > drill bit to separate the spot welds, and that is going faster than I > expected, especially > since the Spitfire sheet metal is so thin. > > But does anybody know the best way to grind down those little discs of > metal that > the drill leaves behind? (My drill bit is like a little hole-cutter.) I > need to grind them flush, without > cutting too deeply into the second, remaining panel. > > BTW, I'll probably spring for a HF electric spot-welder to attach the new > panel. > > Thanks again, > Doug > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bjzwissler@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 2 09:05:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41892D04C6 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail940c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail940c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.130]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4F02D039A; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:58:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-2-208.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.2.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail940c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q72F1Ek6020408; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 15:01:16 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Doug Braun" , "Shop-Talk" , "Spitfire Group" References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:00:02 -0400 a=WEDu0iThynwA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:17 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=THP4xi3eTn50CSM9E1gA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:117 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Cutting spot welds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ----- Original Message ----- > But does anybody know the best way to grind down those little discs of > metal that the drill leaves behind? I don't know if it's the best way but I use flap sanding discs. They're available in various grits - 36 for serious material removal, 60 - 120 for finer work. For what you're asking, I'd suggest the 60 grit. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002G9U42M/?tag=hyprod-20&hvadid=15470184459&hvpos=1o3&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=18614838601995799879&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&ref=asc_df_B002G9U42M > BTW, I'll probably spring for a HF electric spot-welder to attach the new > panel. I bought one a few years ago to spot weld together inner sills on my MGA. Works OK but needs very clean/straight metal. The 'tongs' with the HF tool are fairly short. At the time I bought a set of longer/wider reach tongs. I don't see those available from HF currently. For spot welds on truly structural parts I'd suggest plug welding. (drill 3/16" to 1/4" hole in one part, clamp together and fill the hole with MIG or TIG weld) If needed, any extra height of the plug weld can be ground back using the flap discs. If you want to borrow my HF spot welder &/or the extended reach tongs let me know. Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 2 10:06:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5A62D03BD for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4232D0369 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:50:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by weys10 with SMTP id s10so7657499wey.14 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:53:06 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=HhzeGu4t5X/6LGh6+FfzbiAxLP7vdDYWRxsE9YNdrvk=; b=KNHsSDQORwE6t3cn9Jb6KQpOEDKSDWuub72HHUnFbja35zN+i8dWuR9awdizfpFHWH mzSKqYhNErIRnENR18Kmg3J2frIPe79DfRsfzEy/qMi43yqOWTs4TYnUOTlQBTAEe3S2 KjdObXWEB9YHOrfylc3G/GBKvKIk5p9hr5875wFrl1MqcDidTTeYqPohcaD71LTqYV0k MykdZ1/s1+uSdAbnv0SPaOQ2vSb6gM3wgiHOSfgJ6yfFse/LzsFp2vTXqhIBWRDKViBO G8Z+PsLPsL66TOmv5T3fjzJtQVeT+b7Is1ssmHATZRZyBTUsDyhqizVfQAem3v49it5f k+iQ== Received: by 10.216.29.10 with SMTP id h10mr10939753wea.126.1343922786227; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.16.95 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:53:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <056c01cd70bf$925d87c0$b7189740$@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:53:06 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Spitfire Group , Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Spits] Cutting spot welds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for all the advice! BTW, here are some reasons why electric spot welding seems worth doing for this repair: 1: All the joints are flange-to-flange (i.e. no overlapping parts), and all the flanges stick out, and are easily accessible. 2: I don't feel comfortable doing MIG plug welds on vertical surfaces underneath the car. 3: Some of the joints have capping strips or trim going over them, so any extra material has to be carefully ground off. 4: There are about 90 to 100 welds to do. 5: The spot welder is on sale :-) Doug _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 2 10:08:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC3B2D053D for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:08:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF282D039B for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] ([12.162.141.2]) by p3plsmtpa06-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id hs3X1j00903JK1Y01s3Zhs; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:03:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:02:46 -0500 From: Pat Horne Organization: Horne Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <501832C2.6010807@DasRogges.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Lag screws vs. through bolting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Drew, First of all, I am anal. When I do this type of work I always use through bolts\, unless there is no way to do it. No matter what wood you use, the wood will deteriorate over time and it makes for some iffy holding strength. It may take only a few years for soft wood, or decades for more exotic wood, such as the Ipe. I'd check with your local building officials to see what they think. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Drew Rogge, On 7/31/2012 2:32 PM: > I'm installing some cable railing on a new deck, unlike the wood > railing on my shop deck, > and have been through bolting some 1/4" stainless steel plates to the > facia to hold the > posts. Hasn't been too bad. I'm bolting through 3/4" ipa and 1 1/4 PT > using 3/8" SS bolts. > Bolts are coming in at about $1.00 apiece. I've just encountered a > section of the deck > where I would need to bolt through either 4 1/4" or 6 3/4 inches. I > expect the cost of > the bolts to be pretty high and was wondering if there would be much > difference in strength > if I used say, 4" lag screws instead. Anybody have any experience with > doing this? > > Drew > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 2 11:23:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7BB2D0385 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:23:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa01-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B34FA2D0311 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3390 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2012 17:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (12.162.141.2) by p3plsmtpa01-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.87) with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2012 17:23:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:22:22 -0500 From: Pat Horne Organization: Horne Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <7984298D-9820-476B-BBBB-C6991D67FA0A@groupwbench.org> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Exterior nighttime surveillance cameras? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, Check out www.supercircuits.com, they have good and inexpensive cameras and recorders. They have some stand alone cameras with built-in recorders. They also have higher price cameras they call "license plate" cameras which are very low light cameras and some dynamic compression to block out the headlights. I have installed 4 of their 16 channel systems using their CD33WHR-2 cameras (http://www.supercircuits.com/Security-Cameras/Dome-Security-Cameras/CD33WHR-2) both indoors and out. They are not the best cameras, but do the job in restaurants. For the license plate use, I've used their PLPC101 (http://www.supercircuits.com/Security-Cameras/Fixed-Security-Cameras/PCLP101), which does not have IR illumination, but is very low light level. They also have some packaged devices that don't look like cameras, such as their CVEBBD system (http://www.supercircuits.com/Hidden-Cameras/Fixed-Covert-Cameras/CVTEBBD) They may be able to customize a recorder for you. My contact is Mindi Parsons at 1=-800-335-9777. She knows her stuff.Give her a call if you like, even if you don't buy from them. You can tell her I sent you. These can be purchased directly, or I can order them for you if you decide to go with this company. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Jim Franklin, On 7/31/2012 8:36 PM: > I'm interested in recording any movement such as kids driving by my mailbox > with a baseball bat I mean seeing what wildlife comes through my yard at > night. Ideally it would be motion sensor activated but with a very short > delay, and quick recovery from headlights. Anything you use and like? > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 09:10:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74362D04F6 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (thunder.banklogic.net [72.22.18.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E272D032A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 09:10:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q73FCmYM007031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:12:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id q73FCmWk007028 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:12:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:12:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy To: shop-talk References: <4DE0885EAE444EC0AEAD1CE00FA61CF4@john5043a2d406> required 3, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] which tie down best for car hauler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, Sorry about the "blast from the past" but I'm going through old messages. Hopefully the topic isn't enough out of date to irritate... I'm with David. I tie the car down using the frame, which compresses the suspension a bit and certainly limits the car body movement. I've been doing it for a long time towing race cars and never had an issue with it. I very much like that the car can't pitch around on its own suspension as much. Also, I wanted to take a bit of exception to one of David's implications below... One of the reasons to tie the car down with the chassis and not the wheels is to _limit_ shock movement and therefore wear. I imagine this matters more to us "stupidly expensive shocks on a racecar" folks, but I'd just as soon not put the extra miles on my shocks towing to an event. Mark On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, David Hillman wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jul 2012, John Niolon wrote: >> the trailer has 4 tie downs welded in , one at each corner and side board >> anchors along each side, no rub rail. wondering the best type of tie down >> to >> use with the truck... I like ther wheel basket straps on each wheel.. >> seems >> it would secure it well but not pull down the suspension... which may or >> may >> not affect towing ??? > > I know a lot of people prefer tieing down by the wheels, but I have never > liked the idea of a ton plus of vehicle suspended and moving around on my > trailer, in an emergency. Everything I tow, mainly my 2000 pound racecar and > occasionally heavier ones for friends, gets strapped down by the tow-hooks on > the car, tight, whenever possible. A 3-series BMW I've moved a few times > does not have attachment points on the chassis, so tieing to the wheels is > the only option, and you can feel the difference. > > Last winter, I had to make an emergency lane change under hard braking at > the crest of a rise, due to an incredibly stupid cabbie on the Tollway, and > the trailer stayed right where it was supposed to be, behind my truck. Now, > maybe that would've happened anyway, but this seems safest to me. Maybe it'll > eventually wear out my shocks, but they have about 350,000 miles on 'em now > and dozens of tie-downs, so I'm okay with that. Shocks, even expensive ones, > are far cheaper than the potential expense of crashing into a stopped cab, a > conversion van, and a 3rd vehicle on the shoulder. YMMV. > > As as aside, if you are looking for straps, this company in Ohio makes > very high quality pieces ( in Ohio, not China ). I bought a set a couple > years ago, and have been very pleased. > > http://www.lodimetals.com/car-tie-downs > > -- > David Hillman > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 17:25:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8A02D05E5 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:25:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DF8DC2D050A for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 17:21:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 23:24:20 -0000 Received: from [209.191.108.96] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 23:24:20 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.113] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 23:24:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2012 23:24:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 71882 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2012 23:24:20 -0000 s=s1024; t=1344036260; bh=pOnu4xXFP0LT7EtTH2CHhPde1I+OWOq688tIGdkocSg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=hnlPR7H3EHgDFKLRACAOkM8vVVlDat3vWkctNgOp5kgRXCaO0NYH+Y+3hz+yCYA4fblAcJSEVlFFjJ+bKFnKEmbFHCO7Pb9NnZuwtOgXlHltjttH/NuAD+h+MmDpACVA4gP9jKmETrK0S34qPEBldPl0NlTYYm4TCxIsc63xCDE= fearsXm8uUIwcnjiMunajyLQtIHqvctv1aQxtguDdJ4D5qa86JVu9wbMgxZ1 Wn2irixZ.1GO5c19oXFyTFAP114HPGtS9G1r7lWYusNQKIjpJPfV3KEI8_2. .By_iNwz6kcTSG.2JOs9PpSayim9xSW2F5sOG1kaA8OOR6MifajGIMXG4nJM 5pCp0Wl2z68bFyEoPEBqTbkRRZGS4zB8FwHYQ2GB_Fzbnb2VEHzCQNPqyaFi B_qHVaizfcRvBJlx8UTP2IZYErNN5yrLq7f4Ux7grL8vrlwxXMyk1aFdAroh 9JKGfTw9FnXaPp3l6g26ue1W.UCuQF2hglxnpn.yNt_7lrsq3sTWyyY84CNt gNYEVL_4F6jdWWJI- Received: from john5043a2d406 (jniolon@108.227.226.77 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Aug 2012 16:24:19 -0700 PDT From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:26:30 -0500 Subject: [Shop-talk] florescent lighting question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ok... I've about forgotten all my florescent light stuff... kitchen fixture 4 - 4' t-12 bulbs in a wood frame (circa 1990)...two ballast ... been working fine till lately... first only two bulbs would come on... tried changing bulbs... same problem... now when you flip the switch it does one of four things 1. nothing (no lights) 2. two bulbs come on very dimly 3. all bulbs come on dimly 4. All bulbs come on at normal brightness when I get #1 I can keep trying and finally it will give me #4... so... bad ballast ??? ballast are getting expensive, it might be cheaper to buy new fixture ! any way to test a ballast ??? I've tried switching bulbs around with no success... wifey getting annoyed... tia John I'm sarcastic... what's your superpower ? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 19:53:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C4E2D05FC for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 19:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7682D04DE for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 19:52:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so2332437obh.14 for ; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:55:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ls6D6TTw1swLQsDffK/pe348BGurciVBNcpuf2Ggxws=; b=lFtVPnQo+P4mNramlt2sK6Tk9NEfC+FsWjPrYnbtItd0MWGkRB3uKRZZHrD2B852UN ucoNFCHXH+dhqdQsHf/OpfhF9JqSroLKrIc0zznInKSd5DoYJoKA1BujNfqVXgcqvznk XF0LqKN4n0JaqvmZZX26f0B3faiTQXAnB68Y+31jwDZJaZaolzDNoaLUTXO7qCjXJu9b HmEKJuJ27UD1xpwBgzrXqCZiGcYUgHGzHkl1ZJRDGes9KcZLqOTDv3J8X0g3IesZqmfd zpNLgn6sJ8dVgMq5FHON0x7bPasFQ4NBNCrgbGttzwNEIJj3jqNx70bwm2m2kYGg/RRk quDA== Received: by 10.50.237.72 with SMTP id va8mr205321igc.17.1344045315747; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.37.70 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 18:55:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <8744B0315DD74E338352611FDB23934A@john5043a2d406> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:55:15 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] florescent lighting question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 7:26 PM, John Niolon wrote: > so... bad ballast ??? ballast are getting expensive, it might be cheaper to > buy new fixture ! I vote for bad ballast. A new ballast will run T-8 lamps, which you will need sooner or later when T-12 becomes unavailable. If you like the fixture, a new ballast is $30 - $35, which is probably way cheaper than a new fixture. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 20:48:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C5D2D053D for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:48:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3CF2D04E6 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:42:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120804024510.DBQL10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:45:10 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id iSlA1j00R0x0GZM05SlAcs; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:45:10 -0400 cv=u2vu/Ocp0bQ6m2MO0KUY0MS1xIoK39gCmxTU3UkKy94= c=1 sm=1 a=cMgGpCxuRLEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:17 a=ldpaLV8eEM4m-msHBjYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=oA3CZd70DI9B4qy2UYwA:9 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:117 Received: from [75.134.19.20] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:45:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:45:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] heater cable for a truck Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all I need to source a cable (for my 71 J truck) that runs from the temp lever on dash to the heater box. For the Datsuns we can just use bicycle cables since they can be bought long [short :-)] enough. Today I tried to buy what I wanted. I can get the outer housing long enough but the inner wire available was not long enough. Does anyone know what I might be able to use for this? Thanks! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 20:49:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF1E2D05D8 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mailout17.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout17.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5D12D028B for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:49:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.7] helo=mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout17.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SxUTR-0002Fl-LF for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:52:17 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1SxUTR-0006oP-B7; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:52:17 -0400 Received: from authsmtp13.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.13]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id iSsH1j0010GvC8i01SsHNL; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:52:17 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=UWBKU8OG_3kA:10 a=R4fAYY48vXgA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=JzVyWS96u1-gjPegxkMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=98qOcNyB16KL63Z3hZrGug==:117 Received: from c-69-180-140-196.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([69.180.140.196] helo=triumph) by authsmtp13.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1SxUTR-0002Je-2B; Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:52:17 -0400 From: "Greg Gelhar" To: "John Niolon" , "shop-talk" References: <8744B0315DD74E338352611FDB23934A@john5043a2d406> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:52:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] florescent lighting question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'll bet I have that same fixture, now sitting in a corner of the garage. The lamp sockets are failing to make good connections. I like my new fixture with the electronic ballast and T8 lamps. Greg G. Osseo, MN ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [Shop-talk] florescent lighting question > ok... I've about forgotten all my florescent light stuff... kitchen > fixture 4 > - 4' t-12 bulbs in a wood frame (circa 1990)...two ballast ... been > working > fine till lately... first only two bulbs would come on... tried changing > bulbs... same problem... now when you flip the switch it does one of four > things > > 1. nothing (no lights) > 2. two bulbs come on very dimly > 3. all bulbs come on dimly > 4. All bulbs come on at normal brightness > > when I get #1 I can keep trying and finally it will give me #4... > > so... bad ballast ??? ballast are getting expensive, it might be > cheaper to > buy new fixture ! > > any way to test a ballast ??? I've tried switching bulbs around with no > success... wifey getting annoyed... > > tia > John > > > > > I'm sarcastic... what's your superpower ? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 3 21:20:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2252D05CC for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (thunder.banklogic.net [72.22.18.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C332D0337 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:11:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q743EHoN019232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:14:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id q743EHX2019229 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:14:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:14:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <2627e3d0.17d589.138ef85aa49.Webtop.44@charter.net> required 3, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] heater cable for a truck Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, Perhaps give Motion Pro a call? http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/custom/ They focus on the motorcycle market, but they seem really great to work with and it seems like a cable is a cable in many ways... They were also pretty reasonably priced when I needed a custom cable for a pit bike. Mark On Fri, 3 Aug 2012, Tim wrote: > Hi all > > I need to source a cable (for my 71 J truck) that runs from the temp > lever on dash to the heater box. > > For the Datsuns we can just use bicycle cables since they can be bought > long [short :-)] enough. Today I tried to buy what I wanted. I can get > the outer housing long enough but the inner wire available was not long > enough. > > Does anyone know what I might be able to use for this? > > Thanks! > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 4 05:17:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257F32D07C0 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 05:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: autox.team.net mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner@autox.team.net To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 05:07:31 -0600 Errors-To: mailman-bounces@autox.team.net This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your autox.team.net mailing list memberships. 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Blair" Subject: [Shop-talk] O.T. - Free Concerts in IL MN MT ND WI WY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net As most of you know, my son is in the Army and plays Clarinet for The Army Field Band. They are going on their Fall tour the middle to the end of Oct.. Anyone near any of the following cities, check out the show. It's great, hi energy music ala John Phillips Sousa. Here's their schedule, look for a show near you. 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In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 4 10:46:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F02C2D0A4A for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:46:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com (mail-pb0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D992D2D0A3D for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:38:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so3544874pbb.14 for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:41:03 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :x-gm-message-state; bh=gWseGBZjJXeD5el/vt5zagIiOs+q62biJKJnAERqbiY=; b=CQ7orS9FZPIIKRRbxMa0gHfKXdbx3Psy3OsTCaJYaYG2VNLxR8sd5jSA5o46QuxVMz dqLbBmCgJRPVrhTG6XZ93YsoQJGmgfTkWxflwctHZ3Iq8RptaBP3VNqicBsnk+JSjZ4j bvCGvB2PqReRRQV6qF8MuXgN5snW0x2qNqlE/gFui6DXkD82nwhJgtPVsMhRL1cjhQ9p DTgk8eKzrPjHLN95PHlWM5W3T+RAaP6FfBeQG6f79TCU0B0U4K2loIvkuvNYMIntqez3 ei3QeyYOI20wGw3KBOLEFQA1ePcTOWQwIwBam9LN+eGav/8MJemPHwzNcKFzXcWQiQ8I N73Q== Received: by 10.68.231.10 with SMTP id tc10mr6137115pbc.107.1344098463647; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.108] (c-67-180-106-111.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [67.180.106.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tq4sm1835271pbc.11.2012.08.04.09.41.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:41:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <2627e3d0.17d589.138ef85aa49.Webtop.44@charter.net> From: Vincent Marshall Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 09:41:01 -0700 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] heater cable for a truck Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Try to find a bicycle shop with cables for tandem bikes. They are significantly longer than regular bicycle cables. That's what I typically use for things like this. -vin -- Vin Marshall P: (510) 991-1090 F: (510) 338-6181 T: @temotorworks > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2012, Tim wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I need to source a cable (for my 71 J truck) that runs from the temp >> lever on dash to the heater box. >> >> For the Datsuns we can just use bicycle cables since they can be bought >> long [short :-)] enough. Today I tried to buy what I wanted. I can get >> the outer housing long enough but the inner wire available was not long >> enough. >> >> Does anyone know what I might be able to use for this? >> >> Thanks! >> tim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/vlm@te-motorworks.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 4 16:48:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A892D0A17 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:48:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27242D0883 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:39:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbed3 with SMTP id ed3so1231384wgb.20 for ; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5Wd4PJrsgaa0YyLYomV0GgcYoxJGwq9+LydC6KEK5hM=; b=hFrX5YwCGP1clRJrE054cMjnoDjoLsfXhG/f6YuUTc7MOiu5rRyPq4EC8GreduMQJ5 m8JTXXCyDFg1QSL97/Gov/Y7BfxBnSgoPwy24DSlqZRE6MVlLsaeBrTTRyVyr/bchlHq vcQB8/huBf/vTMb3m4u+MFQRW2UJir2utUTqjFOLOT0hFluuJwW7WiFpklXaNY1a3X3R 6amqU1WubP/d53HBjZwT0AMzeaCpJzC8xftGs798iq/wwmhJPB4+H2RZraHEc9/Y/HKM Xgdd1wKZQ4moPw+BJsm+6zz6G6FZppJvPSr5Mg38X0fHq2P33GvZBcTZGEmiyQbQCkAN J2wQ== Received: by 10.216.181.195 with SMTP id l45mr3108215wem.52.1344120131225; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.187.196 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Aug 2012 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <2627e3d0.17d589.138ef85aa49.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 17:42:11 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Vincent Marshall Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] heater cable for a truck Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Vincent Marshall wrote: > Try to find a bicycle shop with cables for tandem bikes. They are > significantly longer than regular bicycle cables. That's what I typically use > for things like this. > Tandem brake cables are 3.5 meters long; shift cables are 3.1. Should be long enough for most under the hood uses. If you're going to solder an end on, get galvanized, it's easier to solder reliably to. If your'e using as is, get stainless. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 5 16:26:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C8C2D09A9 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s12.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s12.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CC72D098E for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W47 ([65.55.34.73]) by col0-omc2-s12.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:05:34 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:05:33 -0500 FILETIME=[6FD9D160:01CD7356] Subject: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I am currently 'borrowing' a cousin's vacation house. The cousin, who is extremely generous with the house, leaves his 2004 Explorer here for his guests to use. Unfortunately, the brakes went out while we were driving it today and a little inspection revealed that the right front brake hose has split. I only have limited tools here and no way to put the car on jack stands or ramps, but it looks like a very simple repair to me requiring only a socket wrench and one open end, followed by a bleed. Has anyone here ever done it? I could certainly have the car towed to a mechanic, but doing it myself would give us the car to use while we are vacationing and be a nice way to say 'thanks'. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 5 16:59:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7A52D0A86 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:59:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9A42D099A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:39:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC6020805B for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:41:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=groupwbench.org; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; q=dns; s= groupwbench.org; b=YzQZAhQojkiueFBUNiAoO9dYC78sdjNZUb5nJ4hI9k4U3 KUxPFOTHe/ERondODCb6xzoj3lIsmnVV/GXWPbR3UREAAaaVlFL03WNvVyx0mPJR bSLP4XsoBt9k6Bxe8tNQUilsBEKirn+tp8T8BUA0zWxAdbSNQkrck5zOCcLng0= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=NOxTdIhwn4LTjj/9eKbfONkad1U=; b=ECBpEHlSS00c yHVIFFTvTqtoNxdwNaEd89D6zizrL+5DConKFdv546QV7HermRGuw/AzDYDjh8Qb DwvZKk+DVwF+iHsBXxaeSfg0vRMSBGectTnAyKf3ogXNv+v2wEe4Gvpxl+C2OrjD +uJTdse4HDKDIyvJkvTpT832d3WVZKc= Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-98-118-109-160.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.109.160]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a57.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A33B6208058 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:41:53 -0400 References: To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 5, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > I am currently 'borrowing' a cousin's vacation house. The cousin, who is > extremely generous with the house, leaves his 2004 Explorer here for his > guests to use. Unfortunately, the brakes went out while we were driving it > today and a little inspection revealed that the right front brake hose has > split. I only have limited tools here and no way to put the car on jack > stands or ramps, but it looks like a very simple repair to me requiring only a > socket wrench and one open end, followed by a bleed. Has anyone here ever > done it? I could certainly have the car towed to a mechanic, but doing it > myself would give us the car to use while we are vacationing and be a nice way > to say 'thanks'. If everything goes right it's very simple. But typically the nuts will be stuck in place enough that a normal open end will just round off the nut. You need a flare nut wrench which wraps around the nut touching all six sides. Sometimes this doesn't work either, if they're really stuck. However- if you break the things the lines are attached to, you've multiplied your work/cost by 10, and now you're on the hook to follow through. You might be able to get a mechanic to fix it quickly, especially if you can go through the trouble of finding the parts and delivering them with the car if they don't stock them. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 01:36:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29682D0948 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:36:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DB82D07D8 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q767SgFf046521 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:28:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 03:28:33 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: Shop Talk List References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/5/2012 6:05 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > I am currently 'borrowing' a cousin's vacation house. The cousin, who is > extremely generous with the house, leaves his 2004 Explorer here for his > guests to use. Unfortunately, the brakes went out while we were driving it > today and a little inspection revealed that the right front brake hose has > split. I only have limited tools here and no way to put the car on jack > stands or ramps, but it looks like a very simple repair to me requiring only a > socket wrench and one open end, followed by a bleed. Has anyone here ever An 8 or 9 year old truck blew out a brake line?! Think I'd be calling an attorney, not a mechanic. What a POS. No wonder they call them "Exploders" How long till any of the others blow? I wouldn't put myself or family in it till it's been on a lift and thoroughly inspected. Dunno how you would perform such a repair without at least jacking it and pulling the wheel. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 06:45:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472072D093F for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:45:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42542D0615 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:39:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so7127346obh.14 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 05:42:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+J4kEFViFibgmE1uCbDZMAuEGzHkuUH6x1T1gjFffk4=; b=UMcjUcHuMycUv7m1vx+M2K8MstQ5xTW7a7behBpQJ2GJzVqt6EyAB48XsMoITsVLqA aKvPedQKvTJYk/6ihvFwiRk15yFNTiVumV4L8oVerU9pS99Qq6jyNzLByc4rwc//24mS NPQj+oaW7O7YVIEM0KtKBmYVCPbovZ7GWE1XMOQazR0EDd5Rq0EWI0Oa8zoMT2DPpr6F oWOHf40C1TKq+0edpg9B/9Khsk/b2lLWSBEP8eVgyeNYpQ73+JQ8ygRqQ+sqv7+KB5// lBnGDA6nVAivWPTWv2lvEI1veo3mdBQ5VpD1L6oE37zQ7QuJVY5uG+fUqHJRT0MbiCBn eszg== Received: by 10.182.212.98 with SMTP id nj2mr19011089obc.18.1344256941045; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 05:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.20.136 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 05:42:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:42:21 -0400 From: Paul Parkanzky To: Wayne Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It wasn't long ago that we expected an eight or nine year old vehicle to be held together by hope and zip ties. Now, a piece fails and you're ready to call the lawyers? Cars have come a long way in the last 25 years or so. I don't know if I can say the same about society. -Paul On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Wayne wrote: > On 8/5/2012 6:05 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > >> I am currently 'borrowing' a cousin's vacation house. The cousin, who is >> extremely generous with the house, leaves his 2004 Explorer here for his >> guests to use. Unfortunately, the brakes went out while we were driving >> it >> today and a little inspection revealed that the right front brake hose has >> split. I only have limited tools here and no way to put the car on jack >> stands or ramps, but it looks like a very simple repair to me requiring >> only a >> socket wrench and one open end, followed by a bleed. Has anyone here ever >> > > An 8 or 9 year old truck blew out a brake line?! Think I'd be calling an > attorney, not a mechanic. What a POS. No wonder they call them "Exploders" > > How long till any of the others blow? I wouldn't put myself or family in > it till it's been on a lift and thoroughly inspected. Dunno how you would > perform such a repair without at least jacking it and pulling the wheel. > > -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 06:46:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F612D095D for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s50.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s50.snt0.hotmail.com [65.54.61.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C680A2D091E for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:41:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT127-W35 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s50.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 6 Aug 2012 05:44:15 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:44:14 -0400 References: , FILETIME=[2FD8F840:01CD73D1] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > > I am currently 'borrowing' a cousin's vacation house. The cousin, who is > > extremely generous with the house, leaves his 2004 Explorer here for his > > guests to use. Unfortunately, the brakes went out while we were driving it > > today and a little inspection revealed that the right front brake hose has > > split. I only have limited tools here and no way to put the car on jack > > stands or ramps, but it looks like a very simple repair to me requiring only > a > > socket wrench and one open end, followed by a bleed. Has anyone here ever > > done it? I could certainly have the car towed to a mechanic, but doing it > > myself would give us the car to use while we are vacationing and be a nice > way > > to say 'thanks'. > > If everything goes right it's very simple. But typically the nuts will be > stuck in place enough that a normal open end will just round off the nut. You > need a flare nut wrench which wraps around the nut touching all six sides. > Sometimes this doesn't work either, if they're really stuck. agreed, b/c if the line itself is worn, the connection is probably seized as well. Had some luck on my brother's 98 Subaru by cutting it open. With his understanding that it might go horribly wrong and require bending new brake lines, I took an angle grinder and small cutting disc to the outside female connection, slicing it down the side, that and some penetrating oil got the connection off pretty easily on both sides. a little damage was done to the nut on the inside, but those threads don't do any sealing, only the flared brake line does. Coworker has a Ford pickup, I think an F150 that he uses only for towing a landscaping trailer. Told me had some *hard* brake lines go on him at the front recently due to rust. Might've been an '04 or somewhere around there, certainly not decades old or anything. Spent way too much money having a shop fix it after being told "it's a known issue". PJ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 08:07:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D9D2D06B7 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FB02D0964 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jR121j0071c6gX851RqduR; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:50:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.82.100] ([71.235.119.87]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jRqK1j00T1tDsSn3jRqLoN; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:50:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:50:15 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Jim Stone References: Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/5/2012 6:05 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > I am currently 'borrowing' a cousin's vacation house. The cousin, who is > extremely generous with the house, leaves his 2004 Explorer here for his > guests to use. Unfortunately, the brakes went out while we were driving it > today and a little inspection revealed that the right front brake hose has > split. I only have limited tools here and no way to put the car on jack > stands or ramps, but it looks like a very simple repair to me requiring only a > socket wrench and one open end, followed by a bleed. Has anyone here ever > done it? I could certainly have the car towed to a mechanic, but doing it > myself would give us the car to use while we are vacationing and be a nice way > to say 'thanks'. This is a safety issue on vehicle that's not yours and unless you comfortable, which by the question it appears you're not, I'd have have it done professionally. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 08:22:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020E52D0906 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFEB2D08B5 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:00:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jQml1j0041Y3wxoADS3SoD; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:03:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.6.87.30]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jS3R1j00D0fGaMC8bS3RdF; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:03:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:03:24 -0700 From: Bob Spidell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Wayne References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wow. Who knew Ford was the only auto company on the planet that had an issue with parts almost certainly supplied by a third-party manufacturer who likely sold similar--if not the same--parts to GM, Chrysler and quite possibly some of the 'foreign' brands. You learn something new every day. Bob On 8/6/2012 12:28 AM, Wayne wrote: > > An 8 or 9 year old truck blew out a brake line?! Think I'd be calling an attorney, not a mechanic. What a POS. No > wonder they call them "Exploders" > > How long till any of the others blow? I wouldn't put myself or family in it till it's been on a lift and thoroughly > inspected. Dunno how you would perform such a repair without at least jacking it and pulling the wheel. > > -Wayne > _______________________________________________ > > > > -- ******************************************************************* Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 08:34:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851E12D0893 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:34:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s4.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s4.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4CA2D05FD for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W8 ([65.55.34.137]) by col0-omc3-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:17:11 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:17:09 -0500 References: , <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> FILETIME=[2B92D730:01CD73DE] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. I really wanted to fix it myself as a favor to my cousin, but decided Jim was right. Doing here without the proper tools was a potential invitation to vacation-ruining disaster. I called AAA and am having it towed to the nearest dealer, who I will also have check out the other hoses. BTW: just as a shop talk aside, Rock Auto has the replacement hoses for $10-15. They are about $35 at Autozone and $75 at the dealer. The $35/75 difference seems about right, but I was really surprised to see Rock Auto so much less than Autozone. > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:28:33 -0400 > From: wmc_st@xxiii.com > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair > > On 8/5/2012 6:05 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > > I am currently 'borrowing' a cousin's vacation house. The cousin, who is > > extremely generous with the house, leaves his 2004 Explorer here for his > > guests to use. Unfortunately, the brakes went out while we were driving it > > today and a little inspection revealed that the right front brake hose has > > split. I only have limited tools here and no way to put the car on jack > > stands or ramps, but it looks like a very simple repair to me requiring only a > > socket wrench and one open end, followed by a bleed. Has anyone here ever > > An 8 or 9 year old truck blew out a brake line?! Think I'd be calling an > attorney, not a mechanic. What a POS. No wonder they call them "Exploders" > > How long till any of the others blow? I wouldn't put myself or family in > it till it's been on a lift and thoroughly inspected. Dunno how you > would perform such a repair without at least jacking it and pulling the > wheel. > > -Wayne > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 09:07:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CE82D093B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:07:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7AD2D0896 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.130] ([::ffff:10.1.2.130]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with esmtp; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:42:43 -0700 id 00000000004A0006.00000000501FD7E3.00003836 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:42:42 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > An 8 or 9 year old truck blew out a brake line?! Think I'd be calling an > attorney, not a mechanic. What a POS. No wonder they call them "Exploders" How long would you expect a brake hose to last? Brake hoses do not see much UV (like tires or outside body rubber) or extremes of temperature (like engine-compartment seals, belts, and hoses or interior elastomers) but they are exposed to all of the crap that gets thrown around in the wheelwells and are in near-constant motion/flex while the vehicle's moving. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 09:07:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846662D08F5 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634E32D08FA for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so3101738yhr.14 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UjM7ryI1QTXyrqF/m7++n9WrbZYc6kNqGx7hngURwOU=; b=omkp0LBF9oe+L/H5761CV3HLaIKbfAOGdgvSAcDdkTOirgAE4CAmm3a9vjJFXsMldw EOim+bzbvVimWiqFxCwamQt2kKYE+VAuQuKCR/EWEeLydJvRpPi/BkkSc3A+sC1t6i2L cbG+X1VFduYzRtUiej1tAt5SHpIMhzmzZmyszmQ+/sHuEk325rc1sohtD/Num69SrKCW 9jXwLPDm7D41mqS+DpnLJpISo6nx9oTZoQeMYGfR70LSyMTinwkvw4wBfFHzfAeFVVH7 fOPcB2K16CoS2y+F6bYrwlfPFKLYaJY/pPbr5UbSRImYXbfwHoI25k9rdhgOgYAlfEvy t0Gw== Received: by 10.60.0.161 with SMTP id 1mr19003627oef.63.1344264392621; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.24.202 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:46:32 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Jim Stone Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net OE parts are always a good bet, but can usually be bought much cheaper from sources other than a dealer. That said, braided stainless replacements are usually even better for performance and longevity. I'd give good odds that few people, even in this group go to the trouble of flushing the brakes on their cars every couple of years. I don't flush brake systems as often as I should. If that's not done problems are virtually guaranteed, while if it is at least the hardware in the system will have a very long service life. FWIW, Ron On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Jim Stone wrote: > Thanks guys. I really wanted to fix it myself as a favor to my cousin, but > decided Jim was right. Doing here without the proper tools was a potential > invitation to vacation-ruining disaster. I called AAA and am having it > towed > to the nearest dealer, who I will also have check out the other hoses. > > BTW: just as a shop talk aside, Rock Auto has the replacement hoses for > $10-15. They are about $35 at Autozone and $75 at the dealer. The $35/75 > difference seems about right, but I was really surprised to see Rock Auto > so > much less than Autozone. > > > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:28:33 -0400 > > From: wmc_st@xxiii.com > > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair > > > > On 8/5/2012 6:05 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > > > I am currently 'borrowing' a cousin's vacation house. The cousin, who > is > > > extremely generous with the house, leaves his 2004 Explorer here for > his > > > guests to use. Unfortunately, the brakes went out while we were > driving > it > > > today and a little inspection revealed that the right front brake hose > has > > > split. I only have limited tools here and no way to put the car on > jack > > > stands or ramps, but it looks like a very simple repair to me requiring > only a > > > socket wrench and one open end, followed by a bleed. Has anyone here > ever > > > > An 8 or 9 year old truck blew out a brake line?! Think I'd be calling an > > attorney, not a mechanic. What a POS. No wonder they call them > "Exploders" > > > > How long till any of the others blow? I wouldn't put myself or family in > > it till it's been on a lift and thoroughly inspected. Dunno how you > > would perform such a repair without at least jacking it and pulling the > > wheel. > > > > -Wayne > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 09:09:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BB12D0993 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:09:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6620B2D08F8 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 14:50:17 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.72] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 14:50:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 14:50:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 51218 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2012 14:50:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; b=Avghp2rWH08OXOxVNqm0R9vHOv26SJiMli+7vcdF+edSl4azL8JjgpXeWd58QExoqP5Vlux0fFBlZeGhjs1wJ4R1Igz3XnFF7bFMa8ykbaGcSlY4p/Z8E3xcSJsE4ijugzQIVyTm1Ss0uVjTP6xvS7013t2tnUSaWvFs3zKSXqg= ; s=s1024; t=1344264616; bh=idRf2uld7GCAgWLzDu/EfZkR+jRjhwYAV3WvRE0An4o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=A0YP53Kn3QTHF/PDPEBhjn3YP3aaxcfESfl8AckIujGawAJGV4VkN6Ehfg3weUjDEdMIAjnjLwxE3DA+bjSRT502C6nqF7kELKdX/jyCrJJVcsUFrEYbyaofhkSvr+Zf2JkiO6t0IZAebTAaYril6vt3nkWfzgH/NA3mXBKpe1w= 1cEPXg5.d8Jq57iy.51etzuO9_YFcJXnPvPw_IS86qSmfaHv8ZHw0fFGEO1x dwYhfcaZh2Ozr0k8QfA51TLfjCPrZD92qSRVdbrzz1Nd9JyJzz3mLUfmo27k p.mLAQhNhTt.7i.Lhk0FubeR2Cwl4j3BtVGMkJLSHr1_SSzhcyJrRVVXe5u3 QdAK77LtCnO.Z67pVjeT6eVbVqsBWAU9t__F0B.fsmHN1479QcfDDh7WQnpp _j1tCOc2gQ573JUnwWgLa43uDdzhffCBokGWDcRn7ZlYiYtpQDia3imxhVr8 1eh.VpHsP.BBL6_NNuPJRKsNPhcggsaIpQV6ThpDQW1q4ebfJKRyeBgnwk6t rw0AGL2pUVe_A6hNOp3rEnge1KSCN7ZGqEMdvzXp2wdUc5FOoEEHvLk4Usox tP5fvcc68ArxlLm_cZj9mNQo- Received: from Karl (kvacek@99.140.174.149 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Aug 2012 07:50:16 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:50:09 -0500 Thread-Index: AQFYWptqEEcEjkG2nsjVtv0OUZ5NmgFLPUAXmCyyuNA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Our '89 Grand Caravan blew a front hose at about 21/2 years old. Only a 12/12 warrantee of course. I replaced all 3 hoses. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair An 8 or 9 year old truck blew out a brake line?! Think I'd be calling an attorney, not a mechanic. What a POS. No wonder they call them "Exploders" _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 09:22:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725552D0961 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E914F2D08F9 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:55:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.130] ([::ffff:10.1.2.130]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with esmtp; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:58:23 -0700 id 00000000004A0006.00000000501FDB8F.00003947 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:58:23 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: , Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net >> If everything goes right it's very simple. But typically the nuts will be >> stuck in place enough that a normal open end will just round off the nut. > You >> need a flare nut wrench which wraps around the nut touching all six sides. >> Sometimes this doesn't work either, if they're really stuck. Soak them in PB Blaster, Liquid Wrench, or equivalent an hour or two before you try wrenching on them. You can try an open-end wrench, but watch the nut carefully for: a) Signs of rounding off (stop BEFORE you cause real damage to the nut) b) Signs that the tube is corroded in the nut and is twisting with it If a good tube-nut wrench is unobtanium where you're at...I won't recommend this for everyone, but I've had very good luck with vise-grips (preferably the kind with concave jaws) on tube nuts. You will probably mangle the hex on the nut a bit this way, but it's important NOT to squeeze them down on the nut so tightly that it crushes the nut on the tube or deforms the nut where it seats on the tube. If the tube is rusted inside the tube nut and the nut will not turn on the tube, and you can't get it to loosen with a little gentle backing-and-forthing, you're probably screwed - at best you'll have to cut the end off the tube and re-flare it with a new tube nut, at worst you'll have to replace the line. Even if it does come off, check the condition of everything carefully once it's loose. > Coworker has a Ford pickup, I think an F150 that he uses only for towing a > landscaping trailer. Told me had some *hard* brake lines go on him at the > front recently due to rust. Might've been an '04 or somewhere around there, > certainly not decades old or anything. Spent way too much money having a shop > fix it after being told "it's a known issue". Oh yeah, brake hard-lines rust. It used to be as normal as the rest of the car rusting away, but then cars don't rust as fast as they used to so... John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 09:54:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66E32D0941 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:54:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC03D2D091E for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.130] ([::ffff:10.1.2.130]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with esmtp; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 08:25:35 -0700 id 00000000004A0006.00000000501FE1EF.00003AE0 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 08:25:35 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/6/2012 7:46 AM, Ronnie Day wrote: > OE parts are always a good bet, but can usually be bought much cheaper from > sources other than a dealer. That said, braided stainless replacements are > usually even better for performance and longevity. The standard line on braided stainless hoses (which are really a teflon tube inside the braid) is that they don't 'bulge' as much as rubber hoses (which have a pile of reinforcing cord inside the rubber...) That may be true, but (a) unless wrapped in some kind of protective covering, dirt and other abrasive crud can work its way through the braid down to the teflon and chew it up and (b) the teflon is sensitive to kinking, once it's kinked it's permanently weakened. For this and other reasons 'traditional' field-assembled -3 AN Teflon hose and fittings are not DOT-approved, and manufactured assemblies have to provide enough strain-relief around the ends to prevent the hose from kinking. For the most part, they're not really worth the hassle on a daily-driver IMO. > few people, even in this group go to the trouble of flushing the brakes on > their cars every couple of years. I don't flush brake systems as often as I > should. If that's not done problems are virtually guaranteed, while if it > is at least the hardware in the system will have a very long service life. A very valid point. I don't think regular flushing (which at least as of the last time I looked was still a 2-year service item on the BMW service list, and I think most other Germans as well...) will do much for hose life, but it'll definitely help everything else, as well as giving you a reason to get in there and look at the condition of all the stuff. I don't do it rigidly per the 2-year schedule, I do it when I change pads and/or rotors, which usually works out to just a little more than that. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 09:54:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A332D0994 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866A82D08E5 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:25:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wgbds1 with SMTP id ds1so1706719wgb.2 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 08:28:24 -0700 (PDT) s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MUT+Duq7jjtbQlrtk43YsIijBDbsJias7fFvIbKRTZY=; b=TAORysVrgjAmUZXT4NoxzTEEuIQEGAFJN9QbPxH0WwTc7D8LzpBpYhTp2edqmuJ+6H 3m8XXr9XxSFBijRNUpWtiPKib78rK9sjzGhB0JPvtF1Cb8IRB9DfadW//17N47SaDSRV RXx34s0EZDWtqzaQB8NqMEcgbtIjs3htB+5Nw= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=MUT+Duq7jjtbQlrtk43YsIijBDbsJias7fFvIbKRTZY=; b=llJqZL126ITvxPTAW10ejmsvuk2CIqVdKXQj5V89RX8AUnGBo/1UrsmkAVH4ZTa9VD ygVU9AkL2C2HiuIiynGf4jA0UIK8x8S8EXYwyVf4vO0MBWOmkIFiShJevNnTjalukNcv GMNyleRhhTduDRDN2qb5JS0Xm3h/aDMMOcyqOjGpfcjBJC7T9bTeCqcbeoiwEQzpWPrb 1Nj5L3OpyJguu9yYnO8Xm+jdplh7oOFIUuswmReJuYT0bjne7F8yMTGp8epg4q5iPj/s RKA2PH+GcCGw0A2JAEyZjb0GN9e2q5z+2P3eQVWJ0Aeg4fs6zrkQ8c0I7AqklxqGbmfJ 2iQQ== Received: by 10.180.78.99 with SMTP id a3mr19340867wix.15.1344266904738; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 08:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.134.34 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:28:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> <007101cd73e2$c7113810$5533a830$@ameritech.net> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:28:24 -0400 From: Ian McFetridge To: KVacek@ameritech.net Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Our '04 4Runner is on the original lines at 120k miles...but they look like a corroded mess and one of the front calipers seized at 99k miles. So far the caliper is the only failure to date, so not much to complain about. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > Our '89 Grand Caravan blew a front hose at about 2 1/2 years old. Only a > 12/12 warrantee of course. I replaced all 3 hoses. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair > > An 8 or 9 year old truck blew out a brake line?! Think I'd be calling an > attorney, not a mechanic. What a POS. No wonder they call them "Exploders" > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 09:55:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555B82D0985 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:55:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E222D0914 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:33:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jR2A1j00N1ei1Bg53TbvQ0; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:35:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.82.100] ([71.235.119.87]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jTby1j00W1tDsSn3kTbzxZ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:35:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:35:32 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Jim Stone References: Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/5/2012 6:05 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > I am currently 'borrowing' a cousin's vacation house. The cousin, who is > extremely generous with the house, leaves his 2004 Explorer here for his > guests to use. Unfortunately, the brakes went out while we were driving it > today and a little inspection revealed that the right front brake hose has > split. I only have limited tools here and no way to put the car on jack > stands or ramps, but it looks like a very simple repair to me requiring only a > socket wrench and one open end, followed by a bleed. Has anyone here ever > done it? I could certainly have the car towed to a mechanic, but doing it > myself would give us the car to use while we are vacationing and be a nice way > to say 'thanks'. If your not sure of yourself and this is a safety issue on vehicle that's not yours, I'd take to a mechanic. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 13:01:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597032D0834 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FC82D0883 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:36:32 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=pKqMgOne8XQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=omE9uubS2jXM6YTwZwEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:27403] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id DF/16-29356-84F00205; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:39:05 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> <501FE1EF.6020802@milleredp.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:39:01 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac1z7CQs1+8wdkhRR9KYv6Y4+R4MqwAFNndQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > the teflon is sensitive > to kinking, once it's kinked it's permanently weakened. True enough, but very unlikely to happen when properly installed in normal service. The issue was a DOT "whip test" where they anchored the line only by one fitting and snapped it back and forth; not at all representative of normal service. Of course you have to be sure they can't be pulled tight at the extremes of steering and suspension movement, but that is an issue with any brake line. At any rate, I've been running Teflon/braided stainless lines on several different cars since around 1990, and I have never had any sort of failure with them. The improvement in pedal "feel" was not huge, but I could tell the difference. It just about compensates for the slightly softer pedal caused by using DOT 5 brake fluid. (Which also conveniently ducks the requirement for periodic changes.) I would seriously consider them for any application where the OE hoses failed in less than 20 years. That kind of failure on an 8 or 9 year old vehicle is simply inexcusable IMO, and worthy of a report to the NHTSA. If you call up the local Ford dealer and suggest that, I suspect they would be willing to replace all 3 or 4 hoses, quickly and free of charge. There may even be a "silent warranty" in place. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 13:17:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50562D0893 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:17:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7832D03C5 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:46:50 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:17 a=gW9qi44zxCkA:10 a=pKqMgOne8XQA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KhvGcwV9bpzeEPl5b1gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iMoyTtzuBmCwh8BMLBhhUw==:117 Received: from [66.127.147.4] ([66.127.147.4:27410] helo=ryoung2wna) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id F3/C3-17657-2B110205; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:49:23 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> <501FD7E2.8000107@milleredp.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:49:19 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac1z5ZK6jru25BfsT+WsASwl3iETZQAHUYyQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > How long would you expect a brake hose to last? Only anecdotal evidence, but I have never had a brake hose fail that was less than 30 years old. My 80 Chevy was still wearing original hoses when scrapped in 2005; 95 Buick still wearing original hoses today. Both had/have over 250,000 miles. Rear hose on my 59 Triumph failed around 1992 as I recall, but only internally. (I only installed the teflon lines on the front, never got around to doing the rear until after it failed and held the brakes on.) It still did not leak fluid. Not sure how many miles, but over 200,000. I forget the details, but the daughter is driving an early 90s Camry still with original hoses and well over 200,000 on the clock. But they don't salt the roads around here, and that may make a difference. There was an SAE paper that showed salt/chloride would penetrate through the hoses and I'm guessing it might have had some aging effect. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 13:32:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3672D089C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B09D2D0834 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:12:36 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:08:08 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/06/2012 15:08:10, Serialize complete at 08/06/2012 15:08:10 Subject: [Shop-talk] Explorer brake lines Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net BTW, my 2001 Ford Explorer has 215,000 miles on it, and still all the original brake lines. (Original everything except alternator, steering linkage, and a few of the plastic clips on the drivers door handle.) I don't mean to flame, but there are lots of factors for brake line longevity... First, it sounds like this truck is near a large body of water (possibly salt) and sits, undriven, most of it's life, outside. Those are three of the worst factors for metal components. I've worked on an over 20 year old Ford van with only a line or two that was bad, but I more recently replaced a front brake line on a <4 year old Cadillac. So I can't say that make and model mean anything. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 13:33:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1802D0898 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD732D087C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:16:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggnf4 with SMTP id f4so761211ggn.14 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nXCQJ/sm+mWBJHLOXow5li49bog2Tps69Eur+UJ+PmQ=; b=uUSbKp773hY0Piy7OSYDOUU1wINavvdYGNYbKJA5otjbhkSbYlvLlRhcl7M2hCNVpc gWoqPvreJX96/K07yX5yJUETZt6x0HG24I6XzdjGb53oMAFs+L+jok4VAeeONMPorOJ4 j1tFbC5GZy1GJ1U5ydyjzjeuPJP5oObuZZg6NdUyiMF46tfNlnvidvx+6nujlfmu3FVV OkGqTt+o+hKZ/UNFaNJByrquOqzg/v5gmUXWUUTe9iszLy6U7EIbRyBcWfyRxmNYIegs NFr+UCTbht+z18n1It8gzlmKag7VZ9MxwsG9uFhy3+izkePUwDkbt5lekxiCZ2+WV+9r KNUw== Received: by 10.236.73.164 with SMTP id v24mr10929653yhd.102.1344280769420; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (118.sub-70-195-65.myvzw.com. [70.195.65.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h8sm15930552ank.9.2012.08.06.12.19.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:19:26 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: , <501FDB8F.80508@milleredp.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/6/2012 10:58 AM, John Miller wrote: > If a good tube-nut wrench is unobtanium where you're at...I won't > recommend this for everyone, but I've had very good luck with > vise-grips (preferably the kind with concave jaws) on tube nuts. > > You will probably mangle the hex on the nut a bit this way, but it's > important NOT to squeeze them down on the nut so tightly that it > crushes the nut on the tube or deforms the nut where it seats on the tube. Man, I wish I was one of those guys that could remove something with Vice Grips and re-use it. By the time I have to use Vice Grips on a nut, I can get it off...but Vice Grips will be the only tool you could ever use to get the thing back on after that. And even that's iffy after I'm done with it. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 13:48:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1059C2D08A7 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:48:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2A82D087D for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so1112338ghr.14 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:22:06 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tL0UndyIb1fJTKJgIviqjKUpaRPl0HCteIBIKnR8YHQ=; b=hMf5x48vQdeOViXGPTJxzmZPC7NnxE+H/yDxqOqs4FYgtTYrJ3cHXWKVdJzWLdF87r h5AI92c89a1hkeHK8nBCjd+k0yntOd2OQCK5i86PzYyjbUfoE4Sdzi+Y+fhems5gGFon VcvoiFhM1s2yGQDkeYfewEDWVDGqTx3og2WfJs2F1PpDOGkDI/KVcrcW4QvvEcd6XYec cNSEZ74fnjvXTgYv+7c27xkXTGTMZgwZKTCz5Gp7KM5E0fDKMJQXzukzGB25C2dqaW8o kgvXEPz6YwueA6tNSqqZ7ChncZ2iIpWnic67cT3X2JN3nhnnbGXN2miqw1L/a7OZ71hV 90dQ== Received: by 10.236.130.141 with SMTP id k13mr11010625yhi.33.1344280926571; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (118.sub-70-195-65.myvzw.com. [70.195.65.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r25sm33073742yhi.13.2012.08.06.12.22.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:22:04 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> <501FE1EF.6020802@milleredp.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wow. I flush my cars every year, and I invariably manage to wish I hadn't because apparently I suck at bleeding. I had to take a Toyota to a shop once afterwards to get rid of the spongy pedal feel. Sigh. On 8/6/2012 11:25 AM, John Miller wrote: >> their cars every couple of years. I don't flush brake systems as >> often as I >> should. If that's not done problems are virtually guaranteed, while >> if it >> is at least the hardware in the system will have a very long service >> life. > few people, even in this group go to the trouble of flushing the > brakes on > > A very valid point. I don't think regular flushing (which at least as > of the last time I looked was still a 2-year service item on the BMW > service list, and I think most other Germans as well...) will do much > for hose life, but it'll definitely help everything else, as well as > giving you a reason to get in there and look at the condition of all > the stuff. > > I don't do it rigidly per the 2-year schedule, I do it when I change > pads and/or rotors, which usually works out to just a little more than > that. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 15:34:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566CB2D07B2 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:34:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2064D2D0622 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q76LFBP5049254 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:15:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:15:01 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: Shop Talk List References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/6/2012 8:42 AM, Paul Parkanzky [and others] wrote: > It wasn't long ago that we expected an eight or nine year old vehicle to > be held together by hope and zip ties. Now, a piece fails and you're > ready to call the lawyers? Cars have come a long way in the last 25 > years or so. I don't know if I can say the same about society. Sorry if I hit a nerve with some of you. I despise litigious jerks and ambulance chasing lawyers as much as anyone. I know a lot of you are into 1950s-ish LBCs and such. If that's your choice, fine. But all bets and expectations are off on reliability in that case. Major failure of a safety critical part on a sub-ten year old mainstream 21st century vehicle is unacceptable. Unless it somehow has crazy high miles, or has been abused. I consider a brake line to wear with age, rather than mileage, but maybe I'm wrong on that. I'm 45. Growing up in the 1970s, I remember cars commonly broken down on the side of the highway, frequent tune-ups required, and it was impressive if you car made it past 100k miles. Now a days synthetic rubber technology has made belt and hose failure nearly unheard of, and spark plugs go 100K. > Wow. Who knew Ford was the only auto company on the planet that > had an issue with parts almost certainly supplied by a third-party > manufacturer who likely sold similar--if not the same--parts to GM, > > Chrysler and quite possibly some of the 'foreign' brands. Worked at one of those suppliers for nearly ten years (we did jet engine and military stuff, too) and have family at Dana and Faurecia. ZERO defects per million parts is DEMANDED. We had Delphi in Dayton OH call us up one day bitching our parts were out of tolerance, the line was shut down, and we were going to be slapped with huge costs. Turned out their AC had failed in the place, it was 90 degrees inside, and that was enough to expand the parts (ball joint receptacles) out of spec'. > How long would you expect a brake hose to last? 20+ years. They have on all my cars that age. Though I inspect them more frequently. -Peace! Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 19:44:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE8A2D0760 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:44:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88BA2D0712 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:16:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so3799798yhr.14 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:19:08 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date :to; bh=7mUCPcCclUMN3rVEEgRX6OlqsaGPMh/jMMO3DgLnf5w=; b=EV13RUnawZAF0kNk5wr4dJ06v2B4qOS6ITIReO+0RXRKVHDpr/FFpHI52e8a3Q48c2 wkG5dtx2ufFivWjthG2f+mYgLrfqStoZtIIuDiid0k4VIrynryxnYnpcZHxlqWLggZva fxRKF6A8Qltf6u5yjp90r+akdiPLUD13KfKqUzgI75ou4C2jScxd+Pg/oBOgoAaOOgKi 0WiKWSa5LhJ/nHzxzejJccoOTdzC400LyQ5WMUmbwR7BhmT9dJHjVb6UVKFVK5Bz+Z8S egYFhiZnIpYZD0dSIB5ywqiO5tgdv9mMlKdZpRz2r8onlbruxaTR2NxmLCnFf0K6IifB hcgw== Received: by 10.50.236.65 with SMTP id us1mr4362012igc.17.1344302347616; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.11.119] (50-77-134-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.77.134.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k6sm7961022igz.9.2012.08.06.18.19.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:19:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> <502033D5.3080109@xxiii.com> From: David Scheidt Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:19:02 -0500 To: Wayne Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 6, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Wayne wrote: > On 8/6/2012 8:42 AM, Paul Parkanzky [and others] wrote: >> It wasn't long ago that we expected an eight or nine year old vehicle to >> be held together by hope and zip ties. Now, a piece fails and you're >> ready to call the lawyers? Cars have come a long way in the last 25 >> years or so. I don't know if I can say the same about society. > > Sorry if I hit a nerve with some of you. I despise litigious jerks and ambulance chasing lawyers as much as anyone. I know a lot of you are into 1950s-ish LBCs and such. If that's your choice, fine. But all bets and expectations are off on reliability in that case. > > Major failure of a safety critical part on a sub-ten year old mainstream 21st century vehicle is unacceptable. Unless it somehow has crazy high miles, or has been abused. I consider a brake line to wear with age, rather than mileage, but maybe I'm wrong on that. > Age is the big factor but salt can kill these right quick. So if it's parked at a salt beach I'm not shocked at the failure. The other thing that kills these is mechanical damage. A bit of off roading, or changes to the suspension, can easily be at fault. I can't speculate w/o knowing the history and seeing the hose. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 6 20:14:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446002D078D for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s15.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s15.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923922D075A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W11 ([65.55.34.73]) by col0-omc2-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:10:51 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:10:51 -0500 References: , <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com>, , <502033D5.3080109@xxiii.com>, <3E83AA7B-5854-4371-B951-90DFFC10485B@gmail.com> FILETIME=[DE824CF0:01CD7441] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just to close the loop on this part of the discussion, the truck does currently live near the beach (eastern Long Island) but spent most of its life fairly landlocked in Westchester County, but was near the water many, many weekends, so salt air could be a factor. I doubt the car was ever taken off road, but it did see its share of snow. It is only an occasional use vehicle now, but that is a recent development. I had it towed to the dealer today and asked them to inspect the other lines; I should know more about that tomorrow. I suggested that 7 years wasn't very long for a hydraulic hose to last and the service guy fell back on 'whoever last worked on the brakes may have damaged them'. Not being my car, there is not much I can do about that. > From: dmscheidt@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:19:02 -0500 > To: wmc_st@xxiii.com > CC: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair > > On Aug 6, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Wayne wrote: > > > On 8/6/2012 8:42 AM, Paul Parkanzky [and others] wrote: > >> It wasn't long ago that we expected an eight or nine year old vehicle to > >> be held together by hope and zip ties. Now, a piece fails and you're > >> ready to call the lawyers? Cars have come a long way in the last 25 > >> years or so. I don't know if I can say the same about society. > > > > Sorry if I hit a nerve with some of you. I despise litigious jerks and > ambulance chasing lawyers as much as anyone. I know a lot of you are into > 1950s-ish LBCs and such. If that's your choice, fine. But all bets and > expectations are off on reliability in that case. > > > > Major failure of a safety critical part on a sub-ten year old mainstream > 21st century vehicle is unacceptable. Unless it somehow has crazy high miles, > or has been abused. I consider a brake line to wear with age, rather than > mileage, but maybe I'm wrong on that. > > > > Age is the big factor but salt can kill these right quick. So if it's parked > at a salt beach I'm not shocked at the failure. The other thing that kills > these is mechanical damage. A bit of off roading, or changes to the > suspension, can easily be at fault. > > I can't speculate w/o knowing the history and seeing the hose. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 08:02:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A283D2D0743 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (thunder.banklogic.net [72.22.18.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBD32D071D for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:52:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thunder.banklogic.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q77DsaNQ008228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:54:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by thunder.banklogic.net (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id q77Dsamd008225 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:54:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:54:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com> required 3, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Howdy, On Mon, 6 Aug 2012, Ronnie Day wrote: > OE parts are always a good bet, but can usually be bought much cheaper > from sources other than a dealer. That said, braided stainless > replacements are usually even better for performance and longevity. I agree that OE parts are a good bet and that they can usually be bought cheaper from places other than the local dealer. But I'm going to disagree pretty strongly on the SS brake lines recommendation. SS lines have the following problems, for me: * Not as durable as OE. They're more prone to kinking and are likely to get crap stuck in the braid that then wears away at the inner lining. * Varying quality. This comes in the form of fitment issues for your particular application, assembly issues, rusting issues, etc. * PITA. If you have to replace the brake lines anyway then this goes away, but generally speaking people are doing this as an upgrade. Changing brake lines "just because" is annoying. Coupled with that, modern cars these days don't see any performance improvement from brake lines. OE lines are well engineered, work well, and by now have been that way for a long time. Anyway, the biggest one of all of those for me is the varying quality stuff. Its not hard to find stories / pictures of SS lines that have failed catastrophically in a performance / well maintained setting. I don't recall EVER hearing of an OE brake line that's failed in the same scenario. Which, to me, isn't all that surprising. OE's have a LOT to lose if they poorly engineer brake lines. Extremely small performance parts manufacturers (usually with explict "not for highway use" disclaimers) don't have anything like the same motivation. But as always, YMMV. Mark _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 7 20:35:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847F22D064E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:35:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc2-s8.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s8.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DED2D06DE for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:28:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT127-W64 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s8.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:30:39 -0700 From: PJ McGarvey To: Shop Talk Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:30:39 -0400 References: , <501F7221.8070908@xxiii.com>, , , FILETIME=[CCF8BB50:01CD750D] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ford Explorer Brake Line Repair Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I agree that OE parts are a good bet and that they can usually be bought > cheaper from places other than the local dealer. Same. you very rarely go wrong with OE in this situation. > But I'm going to disagree pretty strongly on the SS brake lines > recommendation. SS lines have the following problems, for me: > > * Not as durable as OE. They're more prone to kinking and are likely to > get crap stuck in the braid that then wears away at the inner lining. A good quality line will have an outer plastic covering to to prevent dirt getting into the braids, and help keep it clean looking too. Just checked and -3 AN Teflon has a 2" bend radius, so it seems like it would be hard to seriously kink a line unless you really f'd up the install and didn't put any thought into wheel movement up/down left/right. I'm sure many an "enthusiast" has done this. > * Varying quality. This comes in the form of fitment issues for your > particular application, assembly issues, rusting issues, etc. Again, don't skimp on cheap parts for your brakes. There are good names out there that I would trust. I would also stay away from any lines that are *not* DOT approved. > * PITA. If you have to replace the brake lines anyway then this goes > away, but generally speaking people are doing this as an upgrade. > Changing brake lines "just because" is annoying. Found this article somewhat helpful, as it seems there is a small advantage to using braided lines, however they don't take into account heat building up in the fluid or line itself, or it's effect on pedal travel for the driver... sort of begs for a real world test... (great site by the way, I've spent the last year or so slowly picking over their archives...) http://autospeed.com/cms/A_2679/article.html > improvement from brake lines. OE lines are well engineered, work well, > and by now have been that way for a long time. > > Anyway, the biggest one of all of those for me is the varying quality > stuff. Its not hard to find stories / pictures of SS lines that have > failed catastrophically in a performance / well maintained setting. I > don't recall EVER hearing of an OE brake line that's failed in the same > scenario. Which, to me, isn't all that surprising. OE's have a LOT to > lose if they poorly engineer brake lines. Extremely small performance > parts manufacturers (usually with explict "not for highway use" > disclaimers) don't have anything like the same motivation. I've not looked extensively, but I'd be curious to hear about any stories of failures (my guess is they are all poor quality lines, or improper installations to blame). I've had braided lines on all my cars, which have all done duty as autocrossers and track day cars for some part of their life. No issues I've had, seen or heard of. Also looking for evidence of OEMs using braided lines on their product lines, though I'm guess probably only the high performance cars might get them, if anything. > But as always, YMMV. > > Mark _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 8 16:47:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D443A2D0671 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E10D2D0622 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kFNu1j0081ZMdJ4ABNogz7; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:48:40 +0000 Received: from Mike ([71.231.223.23]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kNof1j00H0WuPoP8cNofKs; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:48:39 +0000 From: "Mike" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:49:05 -0700 Subject: [Shop-talk] test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 08:26:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC642D0323 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7374A2D0332 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:25:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so4333871vcb.14 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:28:10 -0700 (PDT) s=google; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=elGAxkf7eZ3ogvXwLjiQcMNMT9TM66Y4QEZHFjJW/a0=; b=RdOAcxcthnvhBjKkr7fL2vo1zGSJFdiKbrAGXXCAQQ9D40SqgXWvWA483G2b+ZO/Th jhr6UqcGUgVSkzzbt8UIkgIwpZ5LucVqgBH2DqUJTzb2x9MHO+Y8YNaLzaQWp4OvjXef KHBez9ND7Oq/2VS9dOXOSOimJma8AHT4chGpg= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=elGAxkf7eZ3ogvXwLjiQcMNMT9TM66Y4QEZHFjJW/a0=; b=deW8HTs/hHhxDfKEauDul69Bh2UMSCfQQb/O3q/tzg5i0dGIp24tX+eKT6ZR59ksfV uWKodCQdxlUyXcHs5YX4IBY4yjPPK/gi1PT4eZVTf1bKVzcS/8ZKdbro4A1Rz6/6XbOj pGgrf/afB46dNHixm8/c/oWUY6qhrFgBBDRtUUa3XaHQr5s9kPFYgG3OVaPLN2574UWL 35fMVU2EBh3ixqeh2vTUW64LgfP9nvQbjesgo05Tkh0u8bM9cPrk3oTWQEsGtQM12XNg zVyWSoAbdF8ZSegsWO2GEUM9vDVaKkgM0HlqyiKIkapkFaG5CBA83AgcxmhI6gcaECDK SoEw== Received: by 10.52.34.212 with SMTP id b20mr7245736vdj.115.1344868089908; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.5.6 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:28:09 -0400 From: Ian McFetridge To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Quick question. Has anyone created an Excel spreadsheet to calculate extension cord gauge requirements? A friend of mine asked what size extension cords to get for his generator and I of course I said "it depends." Not being an electrician or an EE, I pointed him to the formulas on eHow and showed him how to create a spreadsheet (attached) that would calculate what extension cord gauge is needed. http://www.ehow.com/how_7812266_calculate-needed-make-extension-cord.html Before he goes out and buys extension cords based on what the spreadsheet says, I told him to hold-off until I could at least ask some other people to double-check the spreadsheet theory and answers. If you have a moment, let me know what you think of the spreadsheet results. Also, would be interested in knowing if there is a better spreadsheet/calculator for this. Thanks in advance, Ian [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 11:31:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0052D034A for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C07C2D02F0 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so4620466vbk.14 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:30:41 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=yWvJyjFN5ZO9jAeng3XribPhMG3M+bFdDt+75N3JP/A=; b=MYDoeAaBLGIWZcH+U93DtVUd6m7tC3szPh+vV3T+O+dUmT5djkd2+WyhmVODxy4qym 7Yhb7zWrM4M05I+jjFczaDAGKGvQX3Ad3e/rpv4vB7y882/HQp5dxF3f2oEmVGH1qsxK irDNuCaOvIo6iACwiINtUPGxGsqi3s73FeGIMQ0/n64FNq/EA19o/FKpbcYrkBE6zDgr tSKijjFHvMiENb7JkIRmgfsrXXkOP5hQvBiVOCa8232g60U0z3KQ+8mvzXx6m/29ri9Y amO8EctboIWlBjiJsGD2Zfb79sNPn2mGvVXcr8ZrLCLHHJPzgXC4Dx37WhVYQsfZn+IA R/rw== Received: by 10.58.29.201 with SMTP id m9mr9937826veh.19.1344879041506; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.201.98 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:30:41 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:30:41 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Ian McFetridge , Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ehow can be a rather dubious source of information. That formula looks reasonable, but the example in the description suggests using 11 gauge wire, which does not really exist. Assuming he has a 120-volt generator and a 120-volt load, he should get a 12-gauge cord for a large load, or a long run. 14 gauge is OK for smaller stuff, or even 16 gauge for little things like electronics. Doug On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > Quick question. Has anyone created an Excel spreadsheet to calculate > extension cord gauge requirements? > > A friend of mine asked what size extension cords to get for his generator > and I of course I said "it depends." Not being an electrician or an EE, I > pointed him to the formulas on eHow and showed him how to create a > spreadsheet (attached) that would calculate what extension cord gauge is > needed. > http://www.ehow.com/how_7812266_calculate-needed-make-extension-cord.html > > Before he goes out and buys extension cords based on what the spreadsheet > says, I told him to hold-off until I could at least ask some other people > to double-check the spreadsheet theory and answers. If you have a moment, > let me know what you think of the spreadsheet results. Also, would be > interested in knowing if there is a better spreadsheet/calculator for this. > > Thanks in advance, > Ian > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 12:38:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF562D0366 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D014D2D035A for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:38:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenl1 with SMTP id l1so4196644yen.14 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:40:44 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=WXmQn44Mp6ROw8wyNuqc4BW2Omrpu1d7AosFt8+YMYg=; b=OkOj091S+79Y57uxjtrnk7IVuH+pi5h2XY+zv1zK6qUADWuAjjvRhl/7rdiWqUosjA UMymWxbCntWLTOGm8PZnIu+kEKMP0UrO5Pt9CvBBlHYQ7fyIfbmbVreZyr5ioiP2FPz5 LT93MNATmXiuDp946chGDBFn4Qdq+JzvPtiJRMuFZBxg3OtGnNIYyfjiWZAfoBcp+yTP dbpFdvAwsLaLTqw+KP6y6H/a7t+dPhzCZXkm2R4jXWNOud6arQDAm3Hhp9Tqwv4mm3Fc 7GdA37ECUdaUpH1my975pbMWafMVD+tG7cO29M8iqPt+HfhX7El2tPvZqDMqzdU+O5jj SRaA== Received: by 10.68.204.137 with SMTP id ky9mr12092690pbc.90.1344883243502; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (24-117-200-3.cpe.cableone.net. [24.117.200.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wh7sm91094pbc.33.2012.08.13.11.40.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:40:41 -0700 From: Badger Mountain Motorworks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Shop-Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Wooden Deck Stain . . . Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net /local/mailman/lynxXXXX6U0qow: Permission denied _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 12:47:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01BC2D0395 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA902D02C5 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:46:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so3998065ghr.14 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:49:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BOwqFH6oLnaYs9Ij+ggQjW9GrGGas8Uy5V9hfAuIv4s=; b=OSaPOSE7yWNo3Lnwl5FEwhVSlx9k9b/YbExN78m56Ux908D7BB4jWNKsANwxZppO0n Zpn/ZmHFgC3u2RjJSGQaftpAS0sr+kN7HmCNIG+S3xPswiuwrL/5+4yGy+10pcrNx8wQ LBKm/QDn4+PCioBjcPu0mW1Z1f/6ME255WtjL/DAdCm59Y1YpLRaUrOx7xxxC+E8NzEK JhMuubezeOzdGdolY//GIziKA301NK6F8BZKrwk7rpA7Ha2O1WIwQwEg5ICqSr8lqCHo N9pzpit4Lh0VGfUoBUZ78rxUOmEKApVEkvIzy9ccKRQ4yTRkS40FAu/ha8CUujN/OlYE oYyA== Received: by 10.42.129.145 with SMTP id q17mr8782479ics.54.1344883757899; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.11.72 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:49:17 -0500 From: John Innis To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Trailer Deck Replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ok team, here is the situation. The wood deck on my car hauler trailer is getting a little old. I also have a house deck that needs to be replaced. The two projects got me thinking. Could I use composite maintenance free product for both? I have never seen anyone do this on a trailer, but it should work right? -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 13:33:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB212D036E for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC3E2D035E for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:30:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7DJWlVf083676 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:32:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:32:43 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trailer Deck Replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting. Have a friend with similar trailer he uses to haul a small Kubota tractor on, suffering deck rot. Had not thought to use the composite stuff. First guess is, it's not quite as strong, but I could be way off. And there are many brands and formulations of composite. Curious to hear if anyone has solid info. -Wayne On 8/13/2012 2:49 PM, John Innis wrote: > Ok team, here is the situation. The wood deck on my car hauler trailer is > getting a little old. I also have a house deck that needs to be replaced. > The two projects got me thinking. Could I use composite maintenance free > product for both? I have never seen anyone do this on a trailer, but it > should work right? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 14:04:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2852D036E for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665F32D0369 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by qady1 with SMTP id y1so3106722qad.14 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:02:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5x8+Jq6tRsorA84epL0CPnjDq15SUJwe+ujJ3hfAeDA=; b=dwrbGTQ8pEGFWofAHYaLVyiV9RLeZNDRPYvMLq8Za227hH9Ir2xU8YvVlMyNqwldAc 0mtWFQ8vCOZNcSzH88mTDkEb8VXqG8R91e7VWgHW3rjsq8LQTDeFVnkFiiZ2ynt5Ggst +ygtVYLC9oTy1VXb+Q/CuiJw00Y0BEm8TlSW9p6L9Gs6uTymtss5PPwRXgxxs/CUtYDq wxjvKbh+W7Lzx8VoOpdoquCMh0n5bMYzzG7rzvydGC/psi4bKDjRp9bDdhUUexbP1QOB xZTxrrnZxrXQhwZdpzv/VJIXAkk6UiKxijx6JqWRnz4H301IDeko2NC4r+b+uX/uWWLi zZ3A== Received: by 10.229.134.206 with SMTP id k14mr7348750qct.25.1344888153206; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.159.1 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:02:33 -0700 (PDT) References: <5029565B.8000700@xxiii.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:02:33 -0500 From: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" To: Wayne Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trailer Deck Replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net *Consider the weight, some of the composite is very heavy compared to wood. * On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Wayne wrote: > Interesting. Have a friend with similar trailer he uses to haul a small > Kubota tractor on, suffering deck rot. Had not thought to use the composite > stuff. First guess is, it's not quite as strong, but I could be way off. > And there are many brands and formulations of composite. Curious to hear if > anyone has solid info. > -Wayne > > > On 8/13/2012 2:49 PM, John Innis wrote: > >> Ok team, here is the situation. The wood deck on my car hauler trailer is >> getting a little old. I also have a house deck that needs to be replaced. >> The two projects got me thinking. Could I use composite maintenance free >> product for both? I have never seen anyone do this on a trailer, but it >> should work right? >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/eltonclark@**gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 14:36:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2E42D039B for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD412C0BA5 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:31:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2012 20:33:50 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.250] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2012 20:33:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1063.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2012 20:33:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 11009 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2012 20:33:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1344890030; bh=I2uexbIpQ1ivw0C0nUXkd1PjwjWWvXgKEJdgSAogdeE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LtcSHUYkRMGpdnsevdb5CDB1dYtfgMUqRy6xjIG+NL5k2p7HaGRQ9AF6OAKi3Y9+j9jJdD6kXERAXhomIREcz+43h5kPWB5ffJjrFjI42CRC2WEApGRukZoOGysTv0JH/7UDMrveGLt6KqSK+twhvXzfBuz9zfDkHyOXXgjmFSU= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ar5ZjeOcTQPGcwQaNKo1pMKOyHRmp315jTsy8EvfOEnUfx04oEeRj/OTsptFF1++9YkFMDFOvMjfGr+NNLph6KEYiYLtre2KzZWXZSIme1JNvQsrhYy/FCOLIqpVuh7W0Kd5IP/dNPMPll/P3fmTwOU8InYeP9gKcuTnbgGbgCo=; h1x.U2XzgvE0MwWAjIYp3I_zKrUMZkEYs50v0G3d79zKjQeB1rD7d0KgA4bT hJ_BHLMjA8x2VZvcBhIJO65HHQSGOSDQgfQpsZ1vOZstiutiV.yZVp3QidjM WmoYw5g1i7UCoDXJ9eS0K57zDM1H_GwJYyrtSg77FPUsQ6JbppuNavzepsV2 cOpW1ExMJq0QMJkqONbIsZVWDBeaPrYI_2JJuIsb7g_XOiqQj03VJxe2pa7h VVhkKnRqDSiC0XbQf01jXPjxFlw7xtkRkuIM65YSpSJVXmBr2PYJrxnROlVc .HrmLt2C6h6nShXVER0rEv4IyisagWVbUFB21spE0v2_PiYJyvloKepDfE3m zAp1XaQIlpQk8NnbHpWLVxT1OWgllDL4w0K3SKsBVxijvCKb3RCW4pH4K0Ep TJPabOaWLpMI44XGuZ4_BzhU8kNVIyfTSpVZicPZrAewaQ_au.GQyyZx5Hq_ kKJaBFPvJVK63TzVK6M.d1f3zNOAA9HWc5YCPvKla8A6to_N6dCuUdS0Rr6X RRO6YCfFNWUJMulyyuDGbzgtSKrjDnIQvtj7d8XGLMC3yDfJyMxoTOn0tGyJ FYtwF777k4Nf1B0Uqkys3QYxD.sJsB_UJowgf4wIww51ZCn5mjhDStg-- Received: from [173.252.176.138] by web140005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:33:50 PDT References: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:33:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net It depends on what he's going to run from the generator. As a reference, the small compressor I have will run the first time and pump up to the shutoff. Anything else after that it suffers. Starts, Stops before the shutoff. I was using 50ft of 14 guage. It works fine when plugged directly into the outlet or using a heavier gauge extension. At first I thought it was overheating and put a fan on it, and it helped slightly but it kept having the start issue until I plugged in directly to the outlet. That same extension has issues running a 14" fan from a small inverter too, but it runs lower demand items with no problems. Similar findings as the compressor. Works fine when plugged directly into the inverter. The 12g extension is pricey, but if needed, get it. Regards, B >________________________________ > From: Ian McFetridge >To: Shop Talk >Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:28 AM >Subject: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance > >Quick question. Has anyone created an Excel spreadsheet to calculate >extension cord gauge requirements? > >A friend of mine asked what size extension cords to get for his generator >and I of course I said "it depends." Not being an electrician or an EE, I >pointed him to the formulas on eHow and showed him how to create a >spreadsheet (attached) that would calculate what extension cord gauge is >needed. >http://www.ehow.com/how_7812266_calculate-needed-make-extension-cord.html > >Before he goes out and buys extension cords based on what the spreadsheet >says, I told him to hold-off until I could at least ask some other people >to double-check the spreadsheet theory and answers. If you have a moment, >let me know what you think of the spreadsheet results. Also, would be >interested in knowing if there is a better spreadsheet/calculator for this. > >Thanks in advance, >Ian > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/vnd] >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/battmain@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 14:38:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15332D03D5 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8745B2D0301 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so4361337yhr.14 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:40:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SwmmNLOYp3tT4p1NlulD6Moh8sMASPBm8ImWIascpc4=; b=DdPzaIwDhG4UAcWUnool3rXpijMhppDxjxG0Y/gZgUANqyKAb9xV5zZoeS8FVKHv4W iSEC8XLqvD8UHCiSHjQVov7j9XXBsGLI+0Jpn/8HOnHTdY7YGc9DBEe5IX/XNrAsV2yk qYqeGCzB4tTuDywLreLif0LtuexlyXrY+Alk2fvkxg9yQRr5BkCoZGyFc2D/SWdD7gIH xZeZMNHawyV86V8ZP+nnth7WRIpkVJm1isxQo6DCDhaXDzzagMEYh0lrD5s6E3HupHez nciuwB3XJMIjXcp2urWWbEsedb/QtBNe6OkjvFFhwmnxQZdigJCAPJ3bBNuWwtqIiSBD GDHw== Received: by 10.50.100.134 with SMTP id ey6mr7437876igb.4.1344890449803; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.41.38 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:40:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <5029565B.8000700@xxiii.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:40:49 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trailer Deck Replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Wayne wrote: > First guess is, it's not quite as strong, but I could be way off. Some years ago, we built a playground out of plastic framing and composite decking. The framing, which seemed to be made from old grocery bags or something similar, has all been replaced due to sagging. The decking is all still good. But it wouldn't hold a car on 24" centers. If you got plastic 2x lumber and put it on edge, maybe -- but not laying flat...in short, I wouldn't waste my time. And I'm told that composite decking retains heat a lot longer. Dunno if that's a myth or not. Might be worth checking out before you build a deck in a sunny spot. Jeff Scarbrough Synthetic Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 14:52:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF45B2D03BD for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:52:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE912D0334 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:51:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so9344049obh.14 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:54:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6HdLggzKyl6TtUrn3vLxG73VKjd+d3EujBzY9IuCjb0=; b=0jhfp6HhcGrIrJbteEZTaA3je5WlJ4CzzQ+yob3mWcdrJBibNuotxRfY7q33z+8MEV Ke/X/JaS+DOjS+5fwsaip0Au0tkJcqxUwgwYVx0GsrC3wRzdGDV/5EH2R677lVPy9vxX ndyHpxC/R8SxmdWY9wkzJAirp4GeUYq9DXFwnLTAplZ8iUhw4RkrakOTWw8t0EFDBzDW kv00NG+2qX+nrsc7T+nRA2kzcJKEP1cjP+6IzE8DM0ozu+mVs1WzwFK/ZyCSCZrHGtnI yglKX+gA7pSgl398fZESmpbhRIx5YeJ00zjSLEJxfz5C4pWXRFpkj1xUOsGeKy2oFZIT p2tA== Received: by 10.60.30.101 with SMTP id r5mr21372144oeh.68.1344891252043; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.49.201 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:54:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <5029565B.8000700@xxiii.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:54:11 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trailer Deck Replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Some years ago we bought a 5 x 12 utility trailer decked with ordinary 2 x 12s. We painted the top of the 2 x with quality exterior paint but after two or three years sitting out with a slight tongue high angle which caused water to drain to the back and soak the raw end grain, it was rotted out. We replaced the original wood with treated 2 x 12 cut to length and painted on all 6 sides thoroughly before putting them down with about 3/8 space between them. I cut off the flat plate holding wood in the angle iron along the back edge and drilled several holes in the corner of the angle to minimize water sitting in there. Don't remember the total cost but it wasn't too bad. No problems at all since then. FWIW, Ron On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Elton E. (Tony) Clark wrote: > *Consider the weight, some of the composite is very heavy compared to wood. > * > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Wayne wrote: > > > Interesting. Have a friend with similar trailer he uses to haul a small > > Kubota tractor on, suffering deck rot. Had not thought to use the > composite > > stuff. First guess is, it's not quite as strong, but I could be way off. > > And there are many brands and formulations of composite. Curious to hear > if > > anyone has solid info. > > -Wayne > > > > > > On 8/13/2012 2:49 PM, John Innis wrote: > > > >> Ok team, here is the situation. The wood deck on my car hauler trailer > is > >> getting a little old. I also have a house deck that needs to be > replaced. > >> The two projects got me thinking. Could I use composite maintenance > free > >> product for both? I have never seen anyone do this on a trailer, but it > >> should work right? > >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html< > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > > options/shop-talk/eltonclark@**gmail.com< > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eltonclark@gmail.com> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 13 20:59:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B232D0156 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FA22C0D4E for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.165]) by out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 14 Aug 2012 02:55:42 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-144-109.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.144.109]) by relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A380319CB3; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 02:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:55:41 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: "Elton E. (Tony) Clark" References: <5029565B.8000700@xxiii.com> Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Trailer Deck Replacement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net In addition to the weight, composite material sags quite a bit more than wood. When I had my Timber Tech deck built the joists were put on 12" centers. On 8/13/2012 1:02 PM, Elton E. (Tony) Clark wrote: > *Consider the weight, some of the composite is very heavy compared to wood. > * > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Wayne wrote: > >> Interesting. Have a friend with similar trailer he uses to haul a small >> Kubota tractor on, suffering deck rot. Had not thought to use the composite >> stuff. First guess is, it's not quite as strong, but I could be way off. >> And there are many brands and formulations of composite. Curious to hear if >> anyone has solid info. >> -Wayne >> >> >> On 8/13/2012 2:49 PM, John Innis wrote: >> >>> Ok team, here is the situation. The wood deck on my car hauler trailer is >>> getting a little old. I also have a house deck that needs to be replaced. >>> The two projects got me thinking. Could I use composite maintenance free >>> product for both? I have never seen anyone do this on a trailer, but it >>> should work right? >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/shop-talk/eltonclark@**gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/cavanadd@frontier.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 06:08:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF61E2D01FE for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D967F2C0CBE for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:08:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so349729vcb.14 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 05:10:49 -0700 (PDT) s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vcodkNGX7TTDg9S+rgwDlO57VrTdn93IpnLd/guHeZQ=; b=GMWEMU7JkMDjiqE9Qk+my+mh/lTj8ngzZEVIH5TZhfY4Yc4EMNQ8oWbfx1FS69fxcE vUQBOqwgf9j3Qhxw53LME8qzJUu0PxG0MzMncp2XTCiHdShVa521sCw0KeunPvL2Ft/u Npe/MV/ZQptTZ5BUyNa8asHYtrr+nbz5G3ouc= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=vcodkNGX7TTDg9S+rgwDlO57VrTdn93IpnLd/guHeZQ=; b=T3mESHkPtuAo/jEyiIW1H7Kn/qYttzrr2eBphSFGKINfBrEXO8dLp6AyLs9Zuzf3eB 26tBvh4TxNUHcGnRW8CevHkIdX9abkza1fssIGYrUSQrhw8EQfkKfXJT5J8bbB7LkyPt eJVY63qtJGUXCR6aJWI9weD4IzOxlQ7BRYnAyJq3hWEYApPkFytsfCPsYjA3auRsvlpa LCRwnfKxMVhWllpUj1LaQD5KiviTUI7HXZNalcJ6zgch9c83x2OEml7K51A8sNaxnPMh 5LA16SARvZHaglwmlPAO26HxA0k8Ejtz6aXVv1pW5P1QNJkaNFDNkHmvF6RyQ2Lav42K SKwA== Received: by 10.52.34.212 with SMTP id b20mr9081687vdj.115.1344946249690; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 05:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.5.6 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 05:10:49 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:10:49 -0400 From: Ian McFetridge To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks guys. I reminded my friend not to go into a store and ask for an AWG 11 cord. haha And I also reminded him to use the surge/startup amperage listed on some appliances rather than just the steady-state load. Finally, I pointed out that he wouldn't have to worry about this if he had an electrician connect his generator to his panel...he said he is too cheap, we'll see how he feels about buying all of those extension cords! - Ian On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > Quick question. Has anyone created an Excel spreadsheet to calculate > extension cord gauge requirements? > > A friend of mine asked what size extension cords to get for his generator > and I of course I said "it depends." Not being an electrician or an EE, I > pointed him to the formulas on eHow and showed him how to create a > spreadsheet (attached) that would calculate what extension cord gauge is > needed. > http://www.ehow.com/how_7812266_calculate-needed-make-extension-cord.html > > Before he goes out and buys extension cords based on what the spreadsheet > says, I told him to hold-off until I could at least ask some other people > to double-check the spreadsheet theory and answers. If you have a moment, > let me know what you think of the spreadsheet results. Also, would be > interested in knowing if there is a better spreadsheet/calculator for this. > > Thanks in advance, > Ian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 06:25:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6912D0212 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:25:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9342C0D39 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:24:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120814122736.ZYIF10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10>; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:27:36 -0400 Received: from wt03 ([209.225.8.43]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id mcTc1j00N0vicD505cTcuL; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:27:36 -0400 cv=u2vu/Ocp0bQ6m2MO0KUY0MS1xIoK39gCmxTU3UkKy94= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=xiiDmAOLGlEA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=4s8nfdn9AAAA:8 a=XSmxXZ7iAAAA:8 a=Ltil_Cy7AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=P8WypmEY4aMH02qsavEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=cCrg1HIbMccA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=-Szpp6JGoK4A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:27:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:27:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Ian McFetridge User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Heavy duty extension cords are pretty pricey. I had my compressor (240 hard wired) connected to the panel in my garage and it cost under $100. I am guessing he will pay close to that for a heavy duty cord.... 50 ft 10 gauge over $85.... http://www.gemplers.com/product/181891/50-ft-10-gauge-Heavy-duty-Extension-Cables?sku=181891&src=25SEPLA&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=181891&gclid=CNrr9uqO57ECFcVAMgod9l4A9Q On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > Thanks guys. I reminded my friend not to go into a store and ask for > an > AWG 11 cord. haha > And I also reminded him to use the surge/startup amperage listed on > some > appliances rather than just the steady-state load. Finally, I pointed > out > that he wouldn't have to worry about this if he had an electrician > connect > his generator to his panel...he said he is too cheap, we'll see how he > feels about buying all of those extension cords! > > - Ian > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Ian McFetridge > wrote: > >> Quick question. Has anyone created an Excel spreadsheet to calculate >> extension cord gauge requirements? >> >> A friend of mine asked what size extension cords to get for his >> generator >> and I of course I said "it depends." Not being an electrician or an >> EE, I >> pointed him to the formulas on eHow and showed him how to create a >> spreadsheet (attached) that would calculate what extension cord gauge >> is >> needed. >> >> http://www.ehow.com/how_7812266_calculate-needed-make-extension-cord.html >> >> Before he goes out and buys extension cords based on what the >> spreadsheet >> says, I told him to hold-off until I could at least ask some other >> people >> to double-check the spreadsheet theory and answers. If you have a >> moment, >> let me know what you think of the spreadsheet results. Also, would >> be >> interested in knowing if there is a better spreadsheet/calculator for >> this. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Ian > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 16:12:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582202D02C0 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0388B2C0CC4 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:12:02 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:08:19 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/14/2012 18:07:24, Serialize complete at 08/14/2012 18:07:24 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just tell him to back feed the panel and make sure he shuts off the main before starting the genny. This way, he only needs one heavy cable (and it can be as short as possible) and he has his whole house wired properly. Note: This is against every code I know, but it is safe if you are mindful of what you are doing. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson Heavy duty extension cords are pretty pricey. I had my compressor (240 hard wired) connected to the panel in my garage and it cost under $100. I am guessing he will pay close to that for a heavy duty cord.... 50 ft 10 gauge over $85.... http://www.gemplers.com/product/181891/50-ft-10-gauge-Heavy-duty-Extension-Cables?sku=181891&src=25SEPLA&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=181891&gclid=CNrr9uqO57ECFcVAMgod9l4A9Q On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 18:58:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26E62D030E for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352182D021A for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mctK1j0040QkzPwADottXB; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:53:53 +0000 Received: from sz0052.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mots1j00P2yr1eL8NotsJe; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:53:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:53:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Donald H Locker To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net (Linux)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Subject: [Shop-talk] Clean and lube suggestions for A/C fan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My window air conditioner started up a few days ago sounding very ill. Clearly the fan/blower bearings are noisy, so I pulled all apart, cleaned and am thinking lubrication would be in order. I think it has sleeve bearings, but I'm not certain. I just spun it again and it feels like balls without the fan and blower attached. (GE; 1/10HP; 1000/860/700 RPM; 120VAC; 1.40A; 1-phase double-ended; thermally protected; class B insulation; "SKCP 29HC A101CS" (presumably model or type) if anyone recognises it.) I haven't used any solvents yet on the bearing region, because I don't want to wash any crud into the bearings. I am soliciting suggestions for cleaning and re-lubricating the bearings - most things are accessible but the motor case is riveted shut, so I'll not be opening it that far. Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ ascii ribbon campaign - _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 20:00:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243CC2D02E2 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gg0-f169.google.com (mail-gg0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547C52D022C for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ggnf4 with SMTP id f4so1513388ggn.14 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:56:10 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=OMJ26J/bqmv090qyxqUAmfs895IWTBuGUeGljjxnVfA=; b=qAe+GkXV9ZkfLg9dvpzihaKMq/faMqYVlE3VSYWheNPn20m+XXtCQYDd4axGjsSwlo dFpgQElRQZXKcFtm7LPK85UeMVkC41o9ByJGE5uwQs33iPsbfwItdhlDZxlqN6QbP7PC BTG0DP9zxc2ywRSM8vyCf0w/htYWAKX0LPeMt7riU48mLTk8EJPWc/n3GfkYB6JYmMEk CvymXrXj3aOcpO74DS0vtKfXyCG79D0pu2dSNB/PfDVXRkiMJuTXfVd57FXb51XQzg8k w0BNOMfXxnZlvWe9Ks2kxz1z2Ld1RdZWlkZ4vXB5YmUj8m7Lx8PtB1yvz6v/pZAmUuAv h/+w== Received: by 10.50.158.164 with SMTP id wv4mr15036757igb.12.1344995770469; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.32.62.174] (mobile-166-147-100-253.mycingular.net. [166.147.100.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hg1sm13833473igc.12.2012.08.14.18.56.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:56:09 -0700 (PDT) References: From: David Scheidt Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:56:02 -0500 To: "eric@megageek.com" Cc: "shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:08 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Just tell him to back feed the panel and make sure he shuts off the main > before starting the genny. > > This way, he only needs one heavy cable (and it can be as short as > possible) and he has his whole house wired properly. > > Note: This is against every code I know, but it is safe if you are > mindful of what you are doing. > Trusting people to have sense in a crisis is *exactly * why it's against code. Do not do this. > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > > > > Heavy duty extension cords are pretty pricey. I had my compressor (240 > hard wired) connected to the panel in my garage and it cost under $100. > I am guessing he will pay close to that for a heavy duty cord.... > > 50 ft 10 gauge over $85.... > > > http://www.gemplers.com/product/181891/50-ft-10-gauge-Heavy-duty-Extension-Ca bles?sku=181891&src=25SEPLA&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=181891&gclid=CNrr9uqO57ECF cVAMgod9l4A9Q > > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 20:15:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9802D02C0 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:15:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909BC2C0B88 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:10:06 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=xiiDmAOLGlEA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=sgLkEiYfqYQA:10 a=6d6g90GtSDoorMOERLAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55004] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B6/A1-17657-B950B205; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 02:12:44 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <1a61fbc5.28440b.139251a7d0a.Webtop.43@charter.net> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:12:44 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac16akByEWGqD2J/QXmR7oB56Y90gAAIJCRQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Just tell him to back feed the panel and make sure he shuts > off the main > before starting the genny. A little poking about on eBay turned up several transfer switches in the $50 - $150 range. I sure would hate to think I'd killed a man for $150, and as David said, it is all too easy for someone to do something stupid. OTOH, you could probably get some play on YouTube with the video of the gen set exploding when someone accidentally closes the switch before pulling the plug. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 20:15:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D102D032C for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:15:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6D82C0B88 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:10:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0M8R00GI9Y5DOVM0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:11:20 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: "shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net" References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Another approach is to use an interlock kit. Check this: http://www.interlockkit.com/. This gives you essentially the same result as backfeeding the panel, without the code violation or danger. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 09:56 PM 8/14/2012, David Scheidt wrote: >On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:08 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > > Just tell him to back feed the panel and make sure he shuts off the main > > before starting the genny. > > > > This way, he only needs one heavy cable (and it can be as short as > > possible) and he has his whole house wired properly. > > > > Note: This is against every code I know, but it is safe if you are > > mindful of what you are doing. > > > >Trusting people to have sense in a crisis is *exactly * why it's against code. > >Do not do this. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 14 21:35:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951C02D030E for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363B32D02CD for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:34:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so1838190obh.14 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:37:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pd1VFvvl2U0aKLOGPWnIpd3gNlj0imgbPeolzFjg+5E=; b=skSbRR6/z2hiLpjxYHY/RlW44YioET6JDLBE3GhJEUQ4s/XJH2JMbABeMkZNgMXGaI Zuavigtxew47EGyxEb7FTtjDZlpEgReqIvzUSf3TyU/bS0eikRz7zn3HHIOxxxaSJI01 +phCg+cBolSRV8VPjd/UfHgwGnvptMFZz2a5vEoWZsuzxq64zb8vZvUWjNO2YH+3KdZn fGYih4gL/RPEtmCFoF1WaaoBgMek+V44YSl6wCRtKOyfQwYF4x3IuDTEFRMcRHsV+ZWT wk6tODZEHIi9y+eMVjWtQPs6k0kd+xuifY1GxzahxJzSqy4uZWrY4qV4FaK76yV0D1vO Pbtw== Received: by 10.182.50.103 with SMTP id b7mr22331070obo.15.1345001836147; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.167.227 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.167.227 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:37:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <1a61fbc5.28440b.139251a7d0a.Webtop.43@charter.net> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:37:15 -0400 From: Peter Murray To: eric@megageek.com Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking at one of these for my place: http://www.interlockkit.com/index.htm Relatively cheap, and meets code requirements. -Peter On Aug 14, 2012 6:15 PM, wrote: > Just tell him to back feed the panel and make sure he shuts off the main > before starting the genny. > > This way, he only needs one heavy cable (and it can be as short as > possible) and he has his whole house wired properly. > > Note: This is against every code I know, but it is safe if you are > mindful of what you are doing. > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > > > > Heavy duty extension cords are pretty pricey. I had my compressor (240 > hard wired) connected to the panel in my garage and it cost under $100. > I am guessing he will pay close to that for a heavy duty cord.... > > 50 ft 10 gauge over $85.... > > > > http://www.gemplers.com/product/181891/50-ft-10-gauge-Heavy-duty-Extension-Cables?sku=181891&src=25SEPLA&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=181891&gclid=CNrr9uqO57ECFcVAMgod9l4A9Q > > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 10:08:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD142D02D8 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:08:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AF12D01C2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:04:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id n34M1j0061HpZEsA446iJ2; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:06:42 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([50.137.13.91]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id n46g1j00l1xsH968a46hxh; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:06:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:06:29 -0700 From: Matt Mahoney User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Donald H Locker References: <176992098.558801.1344992032564.JavaMail.root@sz0052a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Clean and lube suggestions for A/C fan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Donald; Never seen a ball bearing in one of these, I'm sure it is sleeve bearings, usually oil impregnated. No solvent should be necessary, just some turbine oil or spray silicone lube. Just work it in from the shaft end. I've done this on lots of motors. If they still won't free up you will have to crack it open and pull the shaft out of the bearing. Most of this type motor use through bolts parallel to the shaft. I've never done a riveted case so I can't tell you how to deal with those. By the way, the GE number is 5KCP29. All GE motors are 5KCP and 29 is the frame size. The HCA101CS is the specific item. Good luck, Matt On 8/14/2012 5:53 PM, Donald H Locker wrote: > My window air conditioner started up a few days ago sounding very ill. Clearly the fan/blower bearings are noisy, so I pulled all apart, cleaned and am thinking lubrication would be in order. > > I think it has sleeve bearings, but I'm not certain. I just spun it again and it feels like balls without the fan and blower attached. (GE; 1/10HP; 1000/860/700 RPM; 120VAC; 1.40A; 1-phase double-ended; thermally protected; class B insulation; "SKCP 29HC A101CS" (presumably model or type) if anyone recognises it.) > > I haven't used any solvents yet on the bearing region, because I don't want to wash any crud into the bearings. > > I am soliciting suggestions for cleaning and re-lubricating the bearings - most things are accessible but the motor case is riveted shut, so I'll not be opening it that far. > > Donald. > -- > *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue > () no proprietary attachments; no html mail > /\ ascii ribbon campaign - > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mattmahony@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 14:23:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3611C2D016E for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s13.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s13.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB412C6CD2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:22:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W58 ([65.55.34.73]) by col0-omc2-s13.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:25:23 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:25:23 -0500 FILETIME=[1970E2C0:01CD7B24] Subject: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have just returned from a two week vacation and my home PC is completely dead. Even though it is plugged into a surge protector, I unplugged it and my router before I left town, although I did leave the ethernet cable in. Everything else in the house seems to be working fine, with the exception of a CO2 dector, which perhaps coincidently now shows ERR on the display. Still, that seems like only a concidence, as the only connection between the PC and the outside world was the ethernet cord. However, I do know there was at least one severe thunderstorm warning for the area while I was gone. I know enough to be able to install new components in the box, but have no idea where to start trouble shooting when it is totally unresponsive. It is not a high end PC, but plenty sufficient for my home needs. I confirmed that the cord was good, but that has been it so far. Any recommendations on what I should do next? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 14:40:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27CF2D0383 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:40:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E964F2D03B9 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id n03U1j00D0SCNGk518iLrY; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:42:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.82.100] ([71.235.119.87]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id n8iS1j00c1tDsSn3V8iTXN; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:42:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:42:22 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Jim Stone References: Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/15/2012 4:25 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > I have just returned from a two week vacation and my home PC is completely > dead. Even though it is plugged into a surge protector, I unplugged it and my > router before I left town, although I did leave the ethernet cable in. > Everything else in the house seems to be working fine, with the exception of a > CO2 dector, which perhaps coincidently now shows ERR on the display. Still, > that seems like only a concidence, as the only connection between the PC and > the outside world was the ethernet cord. However, I do know there was at > least one severe thunderstorm warning for the area while I was gone. > > I know enough to be able to install new components in the box, but have no > idea where to start trouble shooting when it is totally unresponsive. It is > not a high end PC, but plenty sufficient for my home needs. I confirmed that > the cord was good, but that has been it so far. Any recommendations on what I > should do next? I had a lightning strike near my house, probably a tree. It did not strike the power/phone lines but was close enough for an EM pulse. I lost a PC that was disconnected at the time, some of the flash memory was wiped and the CRT TV was gaussed. As for diagnosing, I'd start with power supply. Disconnect and test with a volt meter. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 14:40:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD302D03D3 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:40:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16242D032A for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:40:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B642E046 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:44:14 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You could try removing the ethernet card and then seeing what happens, but offhand I'd say your power supply is toast. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 14:53:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0812D02E2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s15.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s15.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BE02D01C2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:45:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W9 ([65.55.34.135]) by col0-omc3-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:48:07 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:48:06 -0500 References: , <502C0A1E.3020900@bradakis.com> FILETIME=[4607CDF0:01CD7B27] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That's three quick votes for the power supply, but it has about 50 wires coming out of it, so how does one go about testing it? > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:44:14 -0600 > From: mark@bradakis.com > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC > > You could try removing the ethernet card and then seeing what happens, > but offhand I'd say your power supply is toast. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 14:54:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E635D2D0390 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:54:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219562D02CD for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so3198030obh.14 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:56:31 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sKjr8gnTZfb+x8JVYOraoNpWnsLPidsAsIbpV5+kY9s=; b=LxsxG8fosLx2gzj4HATNaj9+YFHTcpPbsfU+SSRoUKOuvyCx4kzsUl0+I3ZPIxZFR4 ojyEmXgKm1wGbIpOFVNf0XIgY3PENQI+NucyuRA9LANl9CZgHmoJs/xPxECnMCyReQF4 hRxx2EL0+d8cbIlsgWxVE+FDTaq7QG7kcieeh6MXOqSrnhQ0T36Tt3pHzkPrRWQJ1IHz tvDix7xpBqLrEBFJAKuMkPDIrMM4ritdU2zJtIbnsijJrcp0SwMcmg5LOK2OmYyM8A++ RdAIUI4bPA+WgtrAcNOwMiAhrs5r8drb/n/rUbigm2vNsElGqVOZQ+gzKjGWnn+KpE/D lmWA== Received: by 10.182.44.74 with SMTP id c10mr25106808obm.29.1345064191538; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.49.201 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:56:31 -0700 (PDT) References: <502C0A1E.3020900@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:56:31 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'd suggest looking on YouTube for PC troubleshooting videos. Maybe Tomshardware, and Newegg, too. Lots of info out there. Lots of questions, the first of which is do you get any indication of power at all? Doesn't sound like it. If the PSU has an easily accessible fuse, check it first thing. I lost the PSU and the MoBo in a Dell desktop when a power transformer a couple of blocks from our place blew. Fortunately nothing else was effected and the PC was under (parts) warranty, but I went through three PSUs and 2 MoBos before I got it running again. Hopefully you'll have better luck, Ron On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > You could try removing the ethernet card and then seeing what happens, > but offhand I'd say your power supply is toast. > > mjb. > > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@**gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 15:19:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D9E2D02CE for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s13.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s13.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2582D0166 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W58 ([65.55.34.71]) by col0-omc2-s13.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:21:39 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:21:39 -0500 References: , <502C0A1E.3020900@bradakis.com>, FILETIME=[F5AAE400:01CD7B2B] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You are correct that there is no indication of any power at all. I can not find any fuses anywhere. The only component I have moved so far is the power supply, but that gives me a pretty good look at the motherboard. I will do some googling later this evening and report back as appropriate. > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:56:31 -0500 > From: ronnie.day@gmail.com > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC > > I'd suggest looking on YouTube for PC troubleshooting videos. Maybe > Tomshardware, and Newegg, too. Lots of info out there. Lots of questions, > the first of which is do you get any indication of power at all? Doesn't > sound like it. If the PSU has an easily accessible fuse, check it first > thing. > > I lost the PSU and the MoBo in a Dell desktop when a power transformer a > couple of blocks from our place blew. Fortunately nothing else was effected > and the PC was under (parts) warranty, but I went through three PSUs and 2 > MoBos before I got it running again. > > Hopefully you'll have better luck, > Ron > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > > You could try removing the ethernet card and then seeing what happens, > > but offhand I'd say your power supply is toast. > > > > mjb. > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > > options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@**gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 15:34:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AA02D021A for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1087B2C1786 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:34:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so2322149vcb.14 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:37:17 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=nJ1PXIlbw03ElFps7/fzg1urzg+CZ0clbZ7S5T3L93o=; b=FiyC4m9CLsJvJe2t1SmS4kHp6HeQVrqbMVo3sEML7nPBU6ONFrrGbOY5QRv1FN0a/x Kgk+cIA6UOHM5+L7OvW/m67X27AuCKKcmUb8Hf4bFIzvXDzP8EVUN3a6Zrrt5ug7CxTA jrUFgX3vzTfrJOsZ3VM4SxyeDIgSDyQEOKjMmYVeih7ZyWeVzEHYszDM6JT8RININdxR fdEEi+Fo/c0FS5moScZC8iUAAgVJKqcjOcuSmzpad57qr5/hL13Ij9I/Zst4GJO66h+E lfTxwpLiycuszL8AftgCXRpeFSzs8fz2EckYkMhAa5bjSHGzKdYX3tkDcJjwg20k4qcG wrag== Received: by 10.58.114.164 with SMTP id jh4mr2723133veb.17.1345066637415; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.201.98 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:37:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <502C0A1E.3020900@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:37:17 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Jim Stone Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Use you nose! If something blew out, you might be able to smell it. Doug On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > You are correct that there is no indication of any power at all. I can not > find any fuses anywhere. The only component I have moved so far is the > power > supply, but that gives me a pretty good look at the motherboard. > > I will do some googling later this evening and report back as appropriate. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 15:40:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265472D0218 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:40:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a58.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB912C1786 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:40:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a58.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a58.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621B57D8063 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:43:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=groupwbench.org; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; q=dns; s= groupwbench.org; b=eLhSXp1PW51vLPlTiXAs5aQ4bvp/gDUs+uyh5IhQ9U1CI r7tUenuNHev90qX4PeoZNJcscQqVXeXWh3x21ciEmkUHimkSK1KFjiCn7lMxVC2R UgopbJ48Xu6/FoIRj5SNEcsWRaRdSbjHkWYtU//nlJ3eiVkqrdYy/tg6xSGEpA= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=xH3ROFXApZo9DTCUJviATKRbpxs=; b=G6uWD1uUGM3l ZWRY27ScfjqfooTslhG0PxW4jPA3B36vCmYq3j7drRBhiLifUvkRllBjLhgCKIvF /clfO9vGWDJC0qqIDrWD4bgXnGNA9/NtjyQJWBOF0WeOdrkTp3O+E8aR2p5yr9yu AgdFI6HSMSH6rd374LjS98ZkM5xnWKw= Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-98-118-109-160.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.109.160]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a58.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 177A27D8060 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:43:10 -0400 References: To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > I have just returned from a two week vacation and my home PC is completely > dead. Even though it is plugged into a surge protector, I unplugged it and my > router before I left town, although I did leave the ethernet cable in. > Everything else in the house seems to be working fine, with the exception of a > CO2 dector, which perhaps coincidently now shows ERR on the display. Still, > that seems like only a concidence, as the only connection between the PC and > the outside world was the ethernet cord. However, I do know there was at > least one severe thunderstorm warning for the area while I was gone. You confirmed that the outlet is working? That got me for an hour after a storm tripped the GFCI in the garage. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 15:49:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424522D0160 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:49:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B382D0150 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Steve-PC.optonline.net (ool-457e690f.dyn.optonline.net [69.126.105.15]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0M8T004O1GHRSQO0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:46:17 -0400 From: Steven Trovato To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <502C0A1E.3020900@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Make sure you actually have power where you're plugging it in! Power strips have breakers that can pop in a storm. Even the house circuit breaker can trip. Even more likely if it's a GFCI. Make sure a lamp or something works where you're plugging the computer in. -Steve Trovato strovato@optonline.net At 05:21 PM 8/15/2012, Jim Stone wrote: >You are correct that there is no indication of any power at all. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 15:49:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DF02D01FA for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc4-s8.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc4-s8.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.210]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84AC2C0D1D for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W23 ([65.55.34.199]) by col0-omc4-s8.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:51:03 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:51:02 -0500 References: , FILETIME=[10955080:01CD7B30] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yep. Also confirmed that the power cord is delivering 120v to the supply. Been researching new power supplies. So far, the only direct match I have found is through HP at $80. The computer is an Pavilion s500. I also will check with a computer supply house near here tomorrow. > From: jamesf@groupwbench.org > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:43:10 -0400 > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC > > On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > > > I have just returned from a two week vacation and my home PC is completely > > dead. Even though it is plugged into a surge protector, I unplugged it and > my > > router before I left town, although I did leave the ethernet cable in. > > Everything else in the house seems to be working fine, with the exception of > a > > CO2 dector, which perhaps coincidently now shows ERR on the display. > Still, > > that seems like only a concidence, as the only connection between the PC > and > > the outside world was the ethernet cord. However, I do know there was at > > least one severe thunderstorm warning for the area while I was gone. > > You confirmed that the outlet is working? That got me for an hour after a > storm tripped the GFCI in the garage. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 15:53:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05532D019B for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:53:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 549F12C0D21 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2012 21:55:44 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.234] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2012 21:55:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2012 21:55:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 5611 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2012 21:55:44 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345067744; bh=9xBJUwTfbuT6GeJmFTC5uv0XMLXzmUnQ2HLmMNIW9YU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1+BNxZicWgT88KvgZhcfzrvMVW9VZ9bRsR9gzO4VBOvltbykVs9wVZ/ftkAzI3eCc0WgUiEdz0ganeCTVh8afCP0qOAr21pw2lVsryQZSldqxS2RMkSq8GYCbWPWhskbIQeyUWLNcemg1x0F3wPqEhYT0O19yRVnat/c27hF+/I= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JgFZpwG+stLJRN9CRC9S7Co4fJlniUsZdUOH4sB2i8SOS/HQ2LwVLNxgk+loN2zJ7i0p4tvZWh8RUn3PkV65YMQxXeqeGaFmsHKvmMlAr9oL1hpFMeXtwXGGdy+ET6BLMc1fjmxDkict3yszpNe55VlIwv+QaHp0n85BFUL7VR4=; AKrLdzHXfiV__OOevIQkk9lwacQHLZbeLu3Q51cn0wD3WfIehkm_b7fbUI1D nCm7xoU5LahhLULEOHANGn8P5ToxFmKj6lXkoU1J4..9H1nlWk9IiDXf.OIF dKzNElUZcIMSU8mDA3_jBBTDn0pvKQ_wW2yLz_edDN_QiAd7mNqnEQ2R0gpg nUJmtJsgNtUafK2mk_Mc4urI_4N9B.MLdX8ILV1Mn1.j.fBqEp6GlQjVunMC 5vnmtvf6rI6LrPEbo9M4k.MgvEC5TF3HWqJZXpAcv8LQoxpCXUVmTlR4EAdF 3V4kMrVLP5O3mXfNGM4txw_nG0w0nhHUIW.V_Uhu_9G_Kmr.U.yp_qSxGBI5 x4Rk1hurSDUpNSt1QGGro_S73PoVdmxTG7tZCbUgEEvjX6Bf23CqQHhEw8C9 tOMk01ITiUfpfNVfVXY6hYweANrj1W93Tb8SRMcvwqBleYMp9Gr5B3COFW9l poIEA Received: from [173.252.176.138] by web140002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:55:44 PDT References: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:55:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net And the power cord is 'properly' seated in the back of the power supply? >________________________________ > From: Jim Franklin >To: shop-talk List >Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:43 PM >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC > >(snip) > >You confirmed that the outlet is working? That got me for an hour after a >storm tripped the GFCI in the garage. >_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 16:09:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2652D018E for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:09:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A5A2C0D1B for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:09:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68FC2E02B for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:13:03 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: 'shop-talk List' References: , Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim Stone wrote: > Yep. Also confirmed that the power cord is delivering 120v to the supply. > Been researching new power supplies. So far, the only direct match I have > found is through HP at $80. The computer is an Pavilion s500. I also will > check with a computer supply house near here tomorrow. > > One thing to watch for when getting a brand new power supply for an older computer is getting enough matching connectors. New power supplies come with some number of the thin, flat SATA connectors, not the old 4 prong IDE types. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 16:37:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0856D2D0157 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:37:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE372C0D1A for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:36:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nAS31j0071uE5Es5CAfK76; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:39:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.82.100] ([71.235.119.87]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nAfS1j00N1tDsSn3cAfTXm; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:39:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:39:21 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Mark J Bradakis References: , <502C1EEF.4030204@bradakis.com> Cc: 'shop-talk List' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/15/2012 6:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Jim Stone wrote: >> Yep. Also confirmed that the power cord is delivering 120v to the >> supply. >> Been researching new power supplies. So far, the only direct match I >> have >> found is through HP at $80. The computer is an Pavilion s500. I also >> will >> check with a computer supply house near here tomorrow. >> >> > > One thing to watch for when getting a brand new power supply for an older > computer is getting enough matching connectors. New power supplies come > with some number of the thin, flat SATA connectors, not the old 4 > prong IDE > types. More important is the mother board connector. They've changed over time. Also $80 is kind of high for PSU, try NewEgg.com. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 16:38:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E442D037F for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:38:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BBC2C0D46 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:37:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so2850788ghr.14 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:39:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ZTS13ORqLzr/TVyDn5ONaiZXWVSQyx9/Z64gnjFgtok=; b=PqkHkqgfOmisBIrwniNK9ZARoYJf+MsSpQjaxxyehUFX+htXTMCNg27UOKl0yzGwN9 +2X7QGvGkr6eGCs5BAfeNJYNrjk8/6OvPEQ9FOiqLGkO4Z0JpF3jDWnbETgyaGbCVhaB Dl6bhdWiEcjQNWS2Ca0PNM+0wlKvQ0ZF2TiJKEv18wbn+Z24/JdhtM+w8sMqlp+973/Y AdByCcNe2NsItXqJlEntOyFBX5Y26oqIlFafrdH1EAgdEs3l2i45Fh3EJqC+BzliRCjV Mhm4mubip+yyhsb5Q43LZFIrjgQoIa8CjDBUdEWQfR+hoXZClr4GSxukn/MCChYyti2P wJ5w== Received: by 10.50.182.162 with SMTP id ef2mr111143igc.43.1345070399499; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.54.193 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:39:39 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Peter Murray Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:39:39 -0400 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim- Here is another supplier of power supplies that purport to be compatible with that system, if it does turn out to be a bad/damaged supply. http://www.911forpcs.com/atx-1523f.html If you have another PC in the house and you want to check the hard drive (and perhaps copy data from it to another system) you could pull the drive from the dead system and either drop it into a USB IDE drive case (available at your local computer supply place, Best Buy, Microcenter, Amazon, Newegg or elsewhere). I'm assuming, based on the power supply info above, that this system is old enough that it has a PATA(IDE) drive, rather than one of the newer SATA drives. It very well may be that the power supply is just fine - and that the trouble is your motherboard. Considering that you had no power cord connected to the power supply while you were gone (but the ethernet was connected), I would first suspect the motherboard, which, in this case, would have me suggest that you start looking for a replacement system. Lightning can get into the most amazing places! -Peter On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > Yep. Also confirmed that the power cord is delivering 120v to the supply. > Been researching new power supplies. So far, the only direct match I have > found is through HP at $80. The computer is an Pavilion s500. I also will > check with a computer supply house near here tomorrow. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 18:18:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508022C0D24 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810B52C0D12 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:17:34 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=dRZNB3WE3mMA:10 a=Of0-dmiMVgMf8kH5ou8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:54819] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 37/D2-29356-CBC3C205; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:20:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:20:12 -0400 From: To: "Peter J. Thomas" , Jim Stone Sensitivity: Normal Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > As for diagnosing, I'd start with power supply. Disconnect and test > with a volt meter. Unfortunately, many if not all modern PC power supplies will not work that way. They have to see a load on the main outputs, and have a control jumper installed to tell them to turn on the main outputs. Also unfortunately, that makes it more likely that your problem is the mobo not passing the power signal to the PS. It is possible to test the power supply, with the appropriate loads and so on, but most ordinary mortals just replace it. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 19:36:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0145A2C6CD2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s4.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s4.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905892C0D32 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W55 ([65.55.34.137]) by col0-omc3-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:38:07 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:38:06 -0500 References: , , , , <502C1EEF.4030204@bradakis.com> FILETIME=[C9475320:01CD7B4F] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net While I have been known to overlook very simple things and make my job far harder, in this case I am certain the power source is good, the cord is good and the connection to the computer is good. That doesn't mean I am not overlooking something very simple, just that those particular simple things have been covered. I'll see what I can learn tomorrow about replacement power supplies. BTW: one thing I have learned is that CO2 dectors are deliberately designed to fail 7 years after first plugged in. I don't remember exactly when I bought mine, but 7 years seems about right, so it appears that it is just a coincidence that both failed while I was gone. > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:13:03 -0600 > From: mark@bradakis.com > To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC > > Jim Stone wrote: > > Yep. Also confirmed that the power cord is delivering 120v to the supply. > > Been researching new power supplies. So far, the only direct match I have > > found is through HP at $80. The computer is an Pavilion s500. I also will > > check with a computer supply house near here tomorrow. > > > > > > One thing to watch for when getting a brand new power supply for an older > computer is getting enough matching connectors. New power supplies come > with some number of the thin, flat SATA connectors, not the old 4 prong IDE > types. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 19:58:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867112D01AA for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:58:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E03F2C0D12 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so2978113yhr.14 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:55:33 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=VtX4v2KO1opZgeTMKniBA4bab78TIxj4AsL2LubN5QM=; b=De3ec9zaaLbU4fEBAuDcObaCJOyDr5CaweawKe7HY2Pu7YtIP/gSjxg+6wHorC/ZLC 4mHU9pH43eLsO7mBXC/3L5qjAKcoqPT1R58e5AYm9QZ3wDZML2CZORl9aIS64Jo3Q0gY NhuypHjuAEnrFqe62ZHKW9RcIqXRv9NjtMZZKWC5L5OiNl082nOrllFrTrv7IKSF4Dpl /P1SoGjiPZUaSEtQwXP515sjEyS/+Rnj+MCY98elzaG+yW/XuTu96MwyHdToaPCeYFMo eyM1NM02GRjbwtfPy1/eivKpkzLBzIgE10kZiiqmj4yR78iGWcQpWy8eXA/ovpmJTjXm U/AQ== Received: by 10.50.40.225 with SMTP id a1mr470911igl.51.1345082133521; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.70.141.43] (mobile-166-147-100-178.mycingular.net. [166.147.100.178]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qp6sm1098787igc.0.2012.08.15.18.55.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 18:55:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <502C1EEF.4030204@bradakis.com> From: David Scheidt Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:55:24 -0500 To: Jim Stone Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > While I have been known to overlook very simple things and make my job far > harder, in this case I am certain the power source is good, the cord is good > and the connection to the computer is good. That doesn't mean I am not > overlooking something very simple, just that those particular simple things > have been covered. I'll see what I can learn tomorrow about replacement power > supplies. One simple thing to check is for a physical witch on the power supply. Modern power supplies fai a lot, but the usual failure is that they don't output power in spec. A failure while unplugged isn't common, and I suspect something else died. If you've got an add on Ethernet card, pull it out. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 20:14:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B7B2D0188 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtpout001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA352C0D44 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:11:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (71-222-108-105.ptld.qwest.net [71.222.108.105]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M8T009GNSVNIL70@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 02:14:18 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-15_05:2012-08-15,2012-08-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208150334 From: Darrell Walker Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:14:10 -0700 References: <502C1EEF.4030204@bradakis.com> To: David Scheidt Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 15, 2012, at 6:55 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > One simple thing to check is for a physical witch on the power supply. Yes, because without the witch, there isn't any magic left in the power supply :-) -Darrell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 20:16:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB052D030E for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:16:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC032C0D43 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 16 Aug 2012 02:18:43 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-144-109.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.144.109]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4100730C095 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 02:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:18:44 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Ultrasonic leak detector? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I recently moved my compressor out of the shop and into the tractor shed and ran about 30 feet of piping to connect to the new location. All the piping is 3/4" copper, sweated with soft solder. I now have a slow leak somewhere, enough that the compressor will cycle every half hour or so. I'm pretty sure the leak is in the new piping because it didn't leak down that fast before. Right now I have a valve where the line comes through the wall from the shed to the shop and I keep that closed most of the time, but I would like to find the leak. I can't hear anything, but that isn't surprising because my hearing is nothing like it used to be. I'd rather not climb around on a ten foot step ladder with a bottle of soap solution, either. So, the question is, does anyone know if you can rent ultrasonic leak detectors? The cheapest ones to buy are around $300, and I'd rather not buy one for a one-time job, since I don't do HVAC work. Thanks _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 20:18:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12752C6CD2 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:18:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3F92C0D1D for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:17:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF562E089 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:25:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:21:44 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: shop-talk List References: <502C1EEF.4030204@bradakis.com> <037CB077-45BA-44B8-B04A-372C788D9E20@mac.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net >> One simple thing to check is for a physical witch on the power supply. > Technology moves on. Get a power supply with a metaphysical witch. It will sweep all the others into the dumpster. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 20:44:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A042D0160 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:44:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815DE2C0D32 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:44:21 -0600 (MDT) a=MOIRqPKUluMxcLYkYbP3Dw==:17 a=ivmvZGuLQpsA:10 a=QZwDY3Vu53YA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=bthKjM8L6-wA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=XDI42oS6fBgfr17oUlIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MOIRqPKUluMxcLYkYbP3Dw==:117 Received: from [67.246.19.78] ([67.246.19.78:49631] helo=SkipAUG12-HP.nycap.rr.com) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 82/8B-17657-32F5C205; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 02:46:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:46:56 -0400 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Skip Albright References: <502C5884.8040707@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Ultrasonic leak detector? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net maybe try a smoke generator like they used for vacuum leaks on cars? Skip At 10:18 PM 8/15/2012, you wrote: >I recently moved my compressor out of the shop and into the tractor shed >and ran about 30 feet of piping to connect to the new location. All the >piping is 3/4" copper, sweated with soft solder. I now have a slow leak >somewhere, enough that the compressor will cycle every half hour or so. >I'm pretty sure the leak is in the new piping because it didn't leak down >that fast before. Right now I have a valve where the line comes through >the wall from the shed to the shop and I keep that closed most of the >time, but I would like to find the leak. I can't hear anything, but that >isn't surprising because my hearing is nothing like it used to be. I'd >rather not climb around on a ten foot step ladder with a bottle of soap >solution, either. So, the question is, does anyone know if you can rent >ultrasonic leak detectors? The cheapest ones to buy are around $300, and >I'd rather not buy one for a one-time job, since I don't do HVAC work. > >Thanks >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/salbrigh@nycap.rr.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 20:50:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AC62D01C3 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from wavecable.net (mail.astound.net [76.14.0.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6902C0D3A for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:49:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.14.92.247] (HELO [10.0.1.10]) by wavecable.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 444687290; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:52:24 -0700 References: From: Fred Katz Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 19:52:24 -0700 To: Jim Stone Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net My neighbor had the same problem, brought his PC to me to troubleshoot. He also had his PC plugged into a surge protector, but the PC died. Power supply seemed dead, I recommended he buy another. Then he read somewhere about a fix. Plug the power cord in with electricity going to the PC. Then pull the power supply cable from the motherboard socket, wait a few seconds and reconnect the power supply cable to the motherboard. I told him that is supposedly dangerous and is exactly what you're not supposed to do. We did it, and his PC came back to life. Happened to him again a few weeks later, and the "fix" worked again. However, he did take my advice and bought a new power supply. Fred - On Aug 15, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 15 22:35:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8692C2D018E for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.avvanta.com (smtp61.avvanta.com [206.124.128.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F182D0137 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:34:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.avvanta.com (localhost.rowlf.p [127.0.0.1]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A59893C44 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amdquadcore.racertodd.com (50-46-114-197.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.46.114.197]) by mail.avvanta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B32993C43 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 21:37:02 -0700 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net From: Todd Walke References: <502C0A1E.3020900@bradakis.com> <502C0A1E.3020900@bradakis.com> localhost.scooter.p.blarg.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim wrote: >That's three quick votes for the power supply, but it has about 50 wires >coming out of it, so how does one go about testing it? With a voltmeter and list of which wires carry which voltages you can test the power supply's output. You have to short the PS-ON wire so the PSU will power up first. Pinout diagram for the standard 20 and 24 pin connectors is here: http://www.smpspowersupply.com/connectors-pinouts.html The easier way is to go to eBay and pickup a PSU tester like this: You plug the 20 or 24-pin motherboard connector into it and it will show if all the various voltages are present or not. Todd Seattle,WA '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 275,000 miles '01 Golf TDI, silver. (new work car) 358,000 miles '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new home :( http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 16 05:53:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE872C0D44 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:53:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC0B2C0CAA for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:53:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so2862952vcb.14 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 04:56:17 -0700 (PDT) s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FD0KPDs4AKIymTIe3dEn9MBM6PeNt/AoJA2aKcVdvw4=; b=LrNPlwas2Q+D9DIpdO7uRMVVsqy+4yQC5AfMzz/kItCT1ZqLDfSEL75pbX6hRFnzgO 2L2n4CY9UkEABzX2smH00bZnP03/P04yMCHiP4Zv/wQjJ6SMMpFPwoF+MChMvYhvwNyv t59/8u+8CaDxpDgWpnOr1wOpy2zv4Nr7lNp+Q= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=FD0KPDs4AKIymTIe3dEn9MBM6PeNt/AoJA2aKcVdvw4=; b=KRcyQ872rJ9FaeCNVN8lgMgX89ivdBYwSWihLZM2rx12P/b6VXd46/kQaskRpBzqFf zW3ofJU6h+VEdSdrX516bl0b3kMWZgxaFGCoRMbxAkM45FH/Vky3+7Kpjk3uR1rzKU02 Z1GpUUTa4lfSvYUo1u81YylU4BDjDhRDOD1IiW3uYQbtgwDmwq9GMjjbXoYnYj4Wma7M +fjIteHJL3SDWfL6Zr4bFJ/7zRQ2P9Iyjpfj4w2hceJFxfgbF3SELd8387Q6931XA8WJ mOohxlj/mX7XYTQZ0EY0xI/Te/oNdRSbiITY33omK/h3Te2S9unU7knClinnzmMU25sr OMlQ== Received: by 10.58.221.5 with SMTP id qa5mr390296vec.59.1345118177694; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 04:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.5.6 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 04:56:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <1a61fbc5.28440b.139251a7d0a.Webtop.43@charter.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 07:56:17 -0400 From: Ian McFetridge To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, Peter Murray Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Make sure to investigate the Interlockkit with your local inspector if you will be pulling a permit or otherwise having an inspecting checking your installation. I installed one ealier this year and went through a bit of hassle passing my final inspection. Email from earlier this year: Just to close this saga out...we passed the re-inspection. I showed the inspector the cut sheet for the interlock (downloaded from http://www.interlockkit.com/) and the OSHA ruling. http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=FEDERAL_REGISTER&p_id=22157 The inspector accepted my interpretation that the part is still certified. Wyle was certified when the part was tested in 2009 and according to the OSHA site "the Agency no longer accepts product certifications made by Wyle on or after this effective date." (24-Aug-2011), so the part still holds a valid UL listing. If they make an interlock kit for a new panel, then they will need to use a currently certified testing lab to get the UL listing for it. To me and others it is a matter of common sense that mechanical interlock either works or does not work, but it's obviously possible for inspectors to stick to the letter of the code. - Ian On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Peter Murray wrote: > I am looking at one of these for my place: > > http://www.interlockkit.com/index.htm > > Relatively cheap, and meets code requirements. > > -Peter > On Aug 14, 2012 6:15 PM, wrote: > > > Just tell him to back feed the panel and make sure he shuts off the main > > before starting the genny. > > > > This way, he only needs one heavy cable (and it can be as short as > > possible) and he has his whole house wired properly. > > > > Note: This is against every code I know, but it is safe if you are > > mindful of what you are doing. > > > > Eric P > > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational > > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > > Waldo Emerson > > > > > > > > Heavy duty extension cords are pretty pricey. I had my compressor (240 > > hard wired) connected to the panel in my garage and it cost under $100. > > I am guessing he will pay close to that for a heavy duty cord.... > > > > 50 ft 10 gauge over $85.... > > > > > > > > > http://www.gemplers.com/product/181891/50-ft-10-gauge-Heavy-duty-Extension-Cables?sku=181891&src=25SEPLA&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=181891&gclid=CNrr9uqO57ECFcVAMgod9l4A9Q > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage : > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 16 07:04:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161E02D019B for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 07:04:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDBF2C0D3A for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 07:00:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so2909127vbk.14 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:03:30 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=xBw9m9Y29STWII8omnFawRCnjl4dauutWyUDUHyQTjM=; b=UP+Y0HnYpQftrWx/UOydEJ2Y8KS35TwXfh6zX5WvsxulmIcpdxC7SdczOhJYMaK/NQ 4rcx4C5dMpaXavJ9GM8OVXsbKGaCrAPD8SUDiy/cTVFrPfPJ79uyxCGElYG6jv9NDY8J uj2x2n/K8WuoEBpOuibXkkZickDgbDfW1KB5nBlny+++4qLkE0BtrvxgBrQRBmE39fQg 5pEFQ1jWzSuCjtGP7T3V8MKzLtzo39ejdVSmlmquzPf/NFPhfdwdXK5SEQkLybxrN4g0 Cu3G0W1P4lxV65haQC/Msah52IUC5LAMn4OXs+KPokxlJrO2FK/Abnlhdz85fpAhpvbn mtKA== Received: by 10.58.114.164 with SMTP id jh4mr540236veb.17.1345122210205; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.201.98 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:03:30 -0700 (PDT) References: <1a61fbc5.28440b.139251a7d0a.Webtop.43@charter.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:03:30 -0400 From: Doug Braun To: Shop-Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Extension cord gauge per load and distance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I think the approval sticking point on these interlock kits was that they are defeated if you remove the front panel of the box. Doug On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Ian McFetridge wrote: > Make sure to investigate the Interlockkit with your local inspector if you > will be pulling a permit or otherwise having an inspecting checking your > installation. I installed one ealier this year and went through a bit of > hassle passing my final inspection. Email from earlier this year: > > Just to close this saga out...we passed the re-inspection. > > I showed the inspector the cut sheet for the interlock (downloaded from > http://www.interlockkit.com/) and the OSHA ruling. > > http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=FEDERAL_REGISTER&p_id=22157 > > The inspector accepted my interpretation that the part is still certified. > Wyle was certified when the part was tested in 2009 and according to the > OSHA site "the Agency no longer accepts product certifications made by Wyle > on or after this effective date." (24-Aug-2011), so the part still holds a > valid UL listing. > > If they make an interlock kit for a new panel, then they will need to use a > currently certified testing lab to get the UL listing for it. > > To me and others it is a matter of common sense that mechanical interlock > either works or does not work, but it's obviously possible for inspectors > to stick to the letter of the code. > > - Ian _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 16 07:52:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AD52C0CB6 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 07:52:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E2A2C0CE0 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 07:44:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7GDlRF6097349 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:47:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:47:21 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: , Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Corsair is my choice in power supplies these days. There's a basic unit, a CX430 IIRC on newegg.com for like $40 that is my standard replacement. (Yeah, I do this for a living) -wayne On 8/15/2012 5:51 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > Yep. Also confirmed that the power cord is delivering 120v to the supply. > Been researching new power supplies. So far, the only direct match I have > found is through HP at $80. The computer is an Pavilion s500. I also will > check with a computer supply house near here tomorrow. > > >> From: jamesf@groupwbench.org >> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:43:10 -0400 >> To: shop-talk@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 16 21:00:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6387B2D0207 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s7.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s7.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4072D01C4 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W13 ([65.55.34.137]) by col0-omc3-s7.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:01:49 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:01:48 -0500 References: , , , , <502CF9E9.6080103@xxiii.com> FILETIME=[A51C13C0:01CD7C24] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well, I have more information, but don't think it is good. I didn't want to wait a week to get the cheap tester from eBay and picked one up today at a computer supply store. Here is the one I got: http://thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1405&ID=1545#Tab0. It comes with no information or instructions, other than a sticker on the back saying to first plug in the 20/24 pin connector. I pulled that from the motherboard and plugged it into the tester. I then plugged the power supply in and it instantly came to life, or at least the fan started spinning. The tester chirped and all of the lights except for the -5V one came on. I also unpluged one of the 4-pin connectors and it lit up the proper +5V light. I unplugged the SATA power connector and tried to plug that into the tester, but for some reason couldn't get it to connect. Still, I would guess that the power supply is not my problem; the motherboard is. Is that correct, and if so, how big a deal is it to replace the board? It doesn't look like it would be that difficult, but I am a complete neophyte at this, so.... As always, thanks in advance. Jim > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:47:21 -0400 > From: wmc_st@xxiii.com > To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC > > Corsair is my choice in power supplies these days. There's a basic unit, > a CX430 IIRC on newegg.com for like $40 that is my standard replacement. > (Yeah, I do this for a living) > > -wayne > > On 8/15/2012 5:51 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > > Yep. Also confirmed that the power cord is delivering 120v to the supply. > > Been researching new power supplies. So far, the only direct match I have > > found is through HP at $80. The computer is an Pavilion s500. I also will > > check with a computer supply house near here tomorrow. > > > > > >> From: jamesf@groupwbench.org > >> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:43:10 -0400 > >> To: shop-talk@autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 16 21:31:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802682D027A for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED782D0205 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:25:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenl1 with SMTP id l1so4458509yen.14 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:28:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=dA8ZuoybBvmx83AJUS+5Tt37Ioggj4RBjWZiXLeQEic=; b=u0fdKqvzuKzOAQnZpVnir5llomzZqLXVyWoo+NzR+r6d1lfK4YVbGmAozNfqfvWl6W SCW5YK5USGVxJTIR0bsgquahQadLgmXQQhjnsLltukAUcd83KL/sFa3Q5CS5JksJFyXu rLUq7N2XqbfV6fQdhcNBFtI8jz5SLXozSFcwc60J1iv6kPnpDQJhSx5KIebhJvZH2q4R F5UCeiQS6SuPaCRAx6NL5cQYFJFbrC8X745w0ZFRFeZCehsZeXeZHF+MPDu3BKSrlb6X ZSm8XDjuaftsJ09TQ4arvIHy0WE33wVmfpe0rshId3lKSHUSqwUtSAzJgQ5y/hMTZLnS LQpg== Received: by 10.50.202.8 with SMTP id ke8mr432879igc.6.1345174099688; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.54.193 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:27:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <502CF9E9.6080103@xxiii.com> From: Peter Murray Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:27:59 -0400 To: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim- How old is the machine? Might it still be under warranty? You should be able to search around and find a replacement board that is specific to this machine, but it will likely be proprietary. What exact model of HP Pavilion S500 is this? -Peter On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > Well, I have more information, but don't think it is good. I didn't want to > wait a week to get the cheap tester from eBay and picked one up today at a > computer supply store. Here is the one I got: > http://thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1405&ID=1545#Tab0. It comes with no > information or instructions, other than a sticker on the back saying to first > plug in the 20/24 pin connector. I pulled that from the motherboard and > plugged it into the tester. I then plugged the power supply in and it > instantly came to life, or at least the fan started spinning. The tester > chirped and all of the lights except for the -5V one came on. I also unpluged > one of the 4-pin connectors and it lit up the proper +5V light. I unplugged > the SATA power connector and tried to plug that into the tester, but for some > reason couldn't get it to connect. Still, I would guess that the power supply > is not my problem; the motherboard is. > > Is that correct, and if so, how big a deal is it to replace the board? It > doesn't look like it would be that difficult, but I am a complete neophyte at > this, so.... > > As always, thanks in advance. > > Jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 17 00:05:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B10B2D0211 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 00:05:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C2D2C0D04 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 00:03:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7H665CD000616; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:06:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:05:58 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: Jim Stone References: , , , , <502CF9E9.6080103@xxiii.com> Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have the identical Thermaltake tester, and it seems to work well. I use it in conjunction with the trusty Fluke 117 to make sure things are good. The negative 5 volt line is OK. Those were deprecated some years ago, and are usually not on newer power supplies. If you want all the gory details, punch up ATX on wikipedia. It sounds like your PSU is OK. Which sucks, because that would be the easy fix. If you've never installed or swapped a mobo, it can be a little hairy. You have to properly configure all the BIOS settings, and lay down the heat sink grease on the CPU properly, and not zap anything with static. Assuming you're running Windoze? It will freak out if you put in a different mobo. Easiest fix would be to try to find an identical board on Ebay. Or, if your PC is on the older side, might just be time to upgrade. Current tech like DDR3 memory is dirt cheap, while stuff for older hardware is NOT. My current work & home standard and favorite machine, though it's getting elderly at this point, is a Dell Precision 390. They were high end engineering workstations 5 or 6 years ago, with a Core 2 Duo CPU. I don't do video games or CAD/CAM, so they're plenty fast for me. You can score them on Ebay, sometimes for under $200. I do custom builds too (VortexBox media server) and have -- crikey (?!) -- 5 PCs around at the home at the moment. -Wayne On 8/16/2012 11:01 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > Well, I have more information, but don't think it is good. I didn't want > to wait a week to get the cheap tester from eBay and picked one up today > at a computer supply store. Here is the one I got: > http://thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1405&ID=1545#Tab0. It comes > with no information or instructions, other than a sticker on the back > saying to first plug in the 20/24 pin connector. I pulled that from the > motherboard and plugged it into the tester. I then plugged the power > supply in and it instantly came to life, or at least the fan started > spinning. The tester chirped and all of the lights except for the -5V > one came on. I also unpluged one of the 4-pin connectors and it lit up > the proper +5V light. I unplugged the SATA power connector and tried to > plug that into the tester, but for some reason couldn't get it to > connect. Still, I would guess that the power supply is not my problem; > the motherboard is. > > Is that correct, and if so, how big a deal is it to replace the board? > It doesn't look like it would be that difficult, but I am a complete > neophyte at this, so.... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 17 06:53:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1532D0232 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 06:53:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s2.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s2.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.140]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0072D0198 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 06:53:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W18 ([65.55.34.136]) by col0-omc3-s2.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 17 Aug 2012 05:55:56 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:55:56 -0500 References: , , , , <502CF9E9.6080103@xxiii.com> , <502DDF46.7070009@xxiii.com> FILETIME=[A4878630:01CD7C77] Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The current machine is about 3 years old, so any warranty is long gone. About all I use it for at home is email and web surfing, iTunes and occasionally to edit work-documents using Open Office. So, I don't need anything very powerful. I'll do a little searching for motherboards, but based on the cost of a new board vs. a new PC, it sounds like my best bet might be to just buy a new box and either swap my old hard drive over or turn it into an auxiliary drive. > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:05:58 -0400 > From: wmc_st@xxiii.com > To: jandkstone99@msn.com > CC: shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dead PC > > I have the identical Thermaltake tester, and it seems to work well. I > use it in conjunction with the trusty Fluke 117 to make sure things are > good. > > The negative 5 volt line is OK. Those were deprecated some years ago, > and are usually not on newer power supplies. If you want all the gory > details, punch up ATX on wikipedia. It sounds like your PSU is OK. Which > sucks, because that would be the easy fix. > > If you've never installed or swapped a mobo, it can be a little hairy. > You have to properly configure all the BIOS settings, and lay down the > heat sink grease on the CPU properly, and not zap anything with static. > Assuming you're running Windoze? It will freak out if you put in a > different mobo. Easiest fix would be to try to find an identical board > on Ebay. Or, if your PC is on the older side, might just be time to > upgrade. Current tech like DDR3 memory is dirt cheap, while stuff for > older hardware is NOT. > > My current work & home standard and favorite machine, though it's > getting elderly at this point, is a Dell Precision 390. They were high > end engineering workstations 5 or 6 years ago, with a Core 2 Duo CPU. I > don't do video games or CAD/CAM, so they're plenty fast for me. You can > score them on Ebay, sometimes for under $200. I do custom builds too > (VortexBox media server) and have -- crikey (?!) -- 5 PCs around at the > home at the moment. > > -Wayne > > On 8/16/2012 11:01 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > > Well, I have more information, but don't think it is good. I didn't want > > to wait a week to get the cheap tester from eBay and picked one up today > > at a computer supply store. Here is the one I got: > > http://thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1405&ID=1545#Tab0. It comes > > with no information or instructions, other than a sticker on the back > > saying to first plug in the 20/24 pin connector. I pulled that from the > > motherboard and plugged it into the tester. I then plugged the power > > supply in and it instantly came to life, or at least the fan started > > spinning. The tester chirped and all of the lights except for the -5V > > one came on. I also unpluged one of the 4-pin connectors and it lit up > > the proper +5V light. I unplugged the SATA power connector and tried to > > plug that into the tester, but for some reason couldn't get it to > > connect. Still, I would guess that the power supply is not my problem; > > the motherboard is. > > > > Is that correct, and if so, how big a deal is it to replace the board? > > It doesn't look like it would be that difficult, but I am a complete > > neophyte at this, so.... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 12:15:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F270E2D0223 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:14:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2F52D016D for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120819181131.SXPE10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:11:31 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id oiBX1j0030x0GZM05iBXuK; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:11:31 -0400 cv=qU9vTENroOq2s6i9/sTxZt9WOCoWX/XGfIT3Tj8F8dQ= c=1 sm=1 a=cMgGpCxuRLEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=mz1urIA_RPwA:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:17 a=9SyK40E-WW6-csCUFXoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ukN1xPbdTuNwiqXlMDoA:9 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:117 Received: from [75.134.19.20] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:11:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:11:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net since electrickery is my most weak point I figure I should ask this really dumb question: I want to wire in an aftermarket horn on my Jeep. The wires that came with the swith are 16 gauge. The Fuse link I bought to wire into this set up is a thicker gauge. Is this ok? Thanks! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 12:22:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21352D02C8 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:22:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.121]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DE22C0D42 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:22:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7JIPA45002584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:25:10 GMT Received: (from webmail@localhost) by mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.12.2/Submit) id q7JIPAlF002581; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:25:10 GMT Received: from 152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov (152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov [152.133.7.64]) by webmail2.centurytel.net (Webmail 4.0 V.V.I.) with HTTP for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:25:10 -0400 From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: , "Tim" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:25:10 -0400 User-Agent: Webmail 4.0 a=vFMCQZgPscsA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=GPr01A5e9VcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=OqmuZY0vB0YA:10 a=QiQcBifw3rKpjI8epQikPQ==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=J1nIjm2GPQIxhzsqAlgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=WkljmVdYkabdwxfqvArNOQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If you are asking is it OK to use the heavier gauge wire - yes. But the fuse should be sized to protect the weakest link - either the switch, horn or the 16 ga wire. Eric Russell Mebane, NC Quoting Tim : > I want to wire in an aftermarket horn on my Jeep. The wires that came > with the swith are 16 gauge. The Fuse link I bought to wire into this > set up is a thicker gauge. > > Is this ok? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 12:34:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E990E2D0291 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38842D01AB for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:34:21 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=OqmuZY0vB0YA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=2JsxYaXaANiX5_NuiE0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0C/A1-28917-D4231305; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:37:01 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Tim'" , References: <2f165663.225827.139401524f6.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:37:01 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac1+NunVPRi4yAMTSriEEZPLhcI8HAAApDow Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I want to wire in an aftermarket horn on my Jeep. The wires that came > with the swith are 16 gauge. The Fuse link I bought to wire into this > set up is a thicker gauge. > > Is this ok? Not really. The fusible link will not protect the wire. Either use larger wire or a smaller link. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 12:54:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700CB2D02C6 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:54:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD3C2D0182 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:54:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120819185652.TLQQ10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:56:52 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id oiws1j00C0x0GZM05iwsaF; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:56:52 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=cMgGpCxuRLEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=OqmuZY0vB0YA:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=MCtl9AboA6fls9h6IWEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:117 Received: from [75.134.19.20] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:56:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:56:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the quick replies guys. The instructions say use a 20 amp fuse which is what I bought. Now one more quick one.... There is two prong male connection coming off of part of the ignition swith...one to the wiper and one to an aftermarket fuel gauge. Can I turn this into a three prong connector and add the horn power lead to this? I would rather not run a wire to the battery (like the instructions say since the engine bay is so clean right now). Thanks again!! tim On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Tim wrote: > since electrickery is my most weak point I figure I should ask this > really dumb question: > > I want to wire in an aftermarket horn on my Jeep. The wires that came > with the swith are 16 gauge. The Fuse link I bought to wire into this > set up is a thicker gauge. > > Is this ok? > > Thanks! > > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 13:16:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DAA2C6CD2 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:16:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3684F2C0CC4 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:11:30 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=OqmuZY0vB0YA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=TojQESGvwLmxlssrhowA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55002] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EE/BB-13948-30B31305; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:14:11 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Tim'" , References: <6131b98e.225d72.139403eabd8.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:14:11 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac1+PHIJlT8oyCDwQnyGyw3jmOmX3QAAgzLg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > There is two prong male connection coming off of part of the ignition > swith...one to the wiper and one to an aftermarket fuel gauge. > > Can I turn this into a three prong connector and add the horn > power lead > to this? I would suggest not drawing horn power through the ignition contacts. Look for an "always hot" connection with heavy wire to it, like maybe the input side of the ignition switch. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 13:17:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6C32D0317 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:17:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE202C6CD2 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7JJKAKv022592; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:20:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:20:01 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: Tim , Shop Talk List References: <2f165663.225827.139401524f6.Webtop.44@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not a dumb question at all. Neither of us bothered to look it up on the 'net, but right off, I'd say 16 ga is too light. Wire gauge requirements are based on current, not voltage and I'd guess 12 or 14 ga would be appropriate. Low voltage systems are less efficient at transferring energy, and to drive the same power into a device at only 13-ish volts, you need proportionately more current and havier gauge wire than what you'd use in your home at 120V. That's why power company mains are cranked up to thousands or hundreds of thousands of volts for the long haul, then knocked down with a local transformer. OTOH, you're presumably not gonna use it that often, and then only for a couple seconds at a time max, so you can probably get a way with the light gauge stuff. Wouldn't do it for a constant draw, like lights however. -Wayne On 8/19/2012 2:11 PM, Tim wrote: > since electrickery is my most weak point I figure I should ask this > really dumb question: > > I want to wire in an aftermarket horn on my Jeep. The wires that came > with the swith are 16 gauge. The Fuse link I bought to wire into this > set up is a thicker gauge. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 13:34:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53BD2D02CC for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:34:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287B42C0CBC for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so10542048obh.14 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=J4wW8Yr5FRD5I3Iyy/k5m7dENHiyBj7waUnrpWrqv9k=; b=c9gyI2J7rBH/fy7QTRktDwNrwX9c2EQmud8iuu7chg7tWQbcRH/Jw5KMx4sWYQyG65 XXCM2nuu13YKep9yYTWaQRJhdohYQCiaYmsoYDKC9L2UlIpkfw8c4ewS0bu8zjlHGpJn nSGVx8qE8Y9rJxKFTyTLhfkP4PLWLjT2onDqvVGIJfHtuzznNy0MY5+6dfiwrNAA9k8d 2cy+2ahCgSPdfSh5bJNEo1sxMP+ltmcLwEgokddn0IW4njHgZGbe9gCpva20gMqQkekr SsbSCwtLf8ftc31INRq+2zLmsSYylm+pecO0OOcHw8Zm0ZQTiLfSlqHPc/Iowbhlo/4C GWAQ== Received: by 10.50.168.66 with SMTP id zu2mr7828591igb.54.1345404990890; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.41.38 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:36:30 -0700 (PDT) References: <2f165663.225827.139401524f6.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:36:30 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Tim wrote: > I want to wire in an aftermarket horn on my Jeep. The wires that came > with the swith are 16 gauge. The Fuse link I bought to wire into this > set up is a thicker gauge. > > Is this ok? An ordinary horn appears to draw about 5-6 Amps. In my experience, the physical size of the fusible link won't compare to the physical size of the normal wiring. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 14:18:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D2C2D01AB for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:18:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460DF2D0182 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:15:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120819201819.UOJL10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:18:19 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id okJK1j00U0x0GZM05kJK7M; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:18:19 -0400 cv=qU9vTENroOq2s6i9/sTxZt9WOCoWX/XGfIT3Tj8F8dQ= c=1 sm=1 a=cMgGpCxuRLEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=OqmuZY0vB0YA:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:17 a=Hh9y3hyB_oH_iej9MpEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=xLSv9cnkIvEW-pnxQJsA:9 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:117 Received: from [75.134.19.20] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:18:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:18:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks all. The horn button that was suggested for use with this horn (by summitracing staffer) came with 16 ga wire so I have to assume that that light of a ga is ok. For now, so I have a working horn, I powered this thing from the ignition switch area. The vehicle (a 71 gladiator) has been somewhat (read POORLY here) restored by a previous idiot :-O and has new wiring so I think I will be ok for until I can run power from a permanent source. Now to tackle the missing vacuum bits for the environmentals. Thanks again all!! tim On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Wayne wrote: > Not a dumb question at all. Neither of us bothered to look it up on > the 'net, but right off, I'd say 16 ga is too light. Wire gauge > requirements are based on current, not voltage and I'd guess 12 or 14 > ga would be appropriate. Low voltage systems are less efficient at > transferring energy, and to drive the same power into a device at only > 13-ish volts, you need proportionately more current and havier gauge > wire than what you'd use in your home at 120V. That's why power > company mains are cranked up to thousands or hundreds of thousands of > volts for the long haul, then knocked down with a local transformer. > > OTOH, you're presumably not gonna use it that often, and then only for > a couple seconds at a time max, so you can probably get a way with the > light gauge stuff. Wouldn't do it for a constant draw, like lights > however. > > -Wayne > > > On 8/19/2012 2:11 PM, Tim wrote: >> since electrickery is my most weak point I figure I should ask this >> really dumb question: >> >> I want to wire in an aftermarket horn on my Jeep. The wires that came >> with the swith are 16 gauge. The Fuse link I bought to wire into this >> set up is a thicker gauge. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 14:34:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076F52D02EA for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.121]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6182D0137 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7JKUNcu012505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:30:23 GMT Received: (from webmail@localhost) by mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.12.2/Submit) id q7JKUN4T012441; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:30:23 GMT Received: from 152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov (152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov [152.133.7.64]) by webmail2.centurytel.net (Webmail 4.0 V.V.I.) with HTTP for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:30:23 -0400 From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: "'Tim'" , , "Randall" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:30:23 -0400 User-Agent: Webmail 4.0 a=vFMCQZgPscsA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=GPr01A5e9VcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=OqmuZY0vB0YA:10 a=QiQcBifw3rKpjI8epQikPQ==:17 a=JQUEMGycax-OxplZJQkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=dOQRr-Jyjax7_qZD:21 a=bfcka33_o9HLaJfr:21 a=WkljmVdYkabdwxfqvArNOQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Clarify: I saw 'fuse link' and thought a length of wire with an in-line fuse holder (replaceble fuse). A 'fusible link' is a length of wire that is meant to melt & break the connection in the event of an overload. What you want (I assume) is an in-line fuse, not a fusible link. Eric Russell Mebane, NC > > I want to wire in an aftermarket horn on my Jeep. The wires that came > > with the swith are 16 gauge. The Fuse link I bought to wire into this > > set up is a thicker gauge. > > > > Is this ok? > > Not really. The fusible link will not protect the wire. Either use larger > wire or a smaller link. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 14:35:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F152D02E4 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.121]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567DC2C0D42 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7JKXd4X012821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:33:39 GMT Received: (from webmail@localhost) by mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.12.2/Submit) id q7JKXd4H012820; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:33:39 GMT Received: from 152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov (152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov [152.133.7.64]) by webmail2.centurytel.net (Webmail 4.0 V.V.I.) with HTTP for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:33:39 -0400 From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: "Tim" , "Shop Talk List" , "Wayne" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:33:39 -0400 User-Agent: Webmail 4.0 a=vFMCQZgPscsA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=GPr01A5e9VcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=OqmuZY0vB0YA:10 a=QiQcBifw3rKpjI8epQikPQ==:17 a=2-KQy7HYAAAA:8 a=zRmD71P_vN-0jN__y7wA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=6PFYuX4-dlIA:10 a=WkljmVdYkabdwxfqvArNOQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net True. Ideally you might want to power the horn with a relay - use the switch to control the relay. Short relatively large gauge wires deliver power to the relay & then to the horn. The light gauge (& likley longer) wires are used only to trigger the relay. Eric Russell Mebane, NC Quoting Wayne : > Not a dumb question at all. Neither of us bothered to look it up on the > 'net, but right off, I'd say 16 ga is too light. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 14:37:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE062D0291 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD312C0D44 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120819203944.UVTS10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11>; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:39:44 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id okfk1j00P0x0GZM05kfk8l; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:39:44 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=cMgGpCxuRLEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=OqmuZY0vB0YA:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:17 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=GCA0H6pi8K1E1SCs2xoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=0Ob1RWNGeVAA:10 a=YJF2xD9xT5670fn5:21 a=i9efOIr4kEJ44KdU:21 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:117 Received: from [75.134.19.20] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:39:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:39:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: ejrussell@mebtel.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: Randall , shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yea, I have a 20 amp inline fuse. Sorry for the NooB confusion! tim On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, ejrussell@mebtel.net wrote: > Clarify: I saw 'fuse link' and thought a length of wire with an > in-line fuse holder (replaceble fuse). A 'fusible link' is a length of > wire that is meant to melt & break the connection in the event of an > overload. What you want (I assume) is an in-line fuse, not a fusible > link. Eric Russell > Mebane, NC > >>> I want to wire in an aftermarket horn on my Jeep. The wires that >>> came >>> with the swith are 16 gauge. The Fuse link I bought to wire into >>> this >>> set up is a thicker gauge. >>> Is this ok? >> >> Not really. The fusible link will not protect the wire. Either use >> larger >> wire or a smaller link. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 15:28:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053802D0222 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004B42D02FF for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so10683833obh.14 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:30:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sKSKW6YaDPlEKWeRTot8druFKrVTjTGF+jfeNFoAWOM=; b=u8mX9ljWvi5GG+y9m2rjC/tXrH6BbHrIAcPYbKJYAoLZZDXL9nUwXUr2PkTIUfJUEk Ux6h9idDanVoRtg6Oi7qjG4QZnPHDBFtggLsnZ9BqaDUVJYuOuvmInfH4DsUsmljaqa1 5zMLfkrVeRuHBTY2t5+GQ2/MhGq41+Hg2xJ9zf8z5QpUj+myOTTqIjz22Up1MMOpdCDE BuspRPA381u2kOSlm3V3T06i+EOoE4aMdhidR+H0KivLZIhVlsJoQgWCHf5WoyfEV/um cV12WEC0nJHtx97LFvxAwbGB47WLT4stWL9/jn7ZJGTikglnnHq/AFdj0whSLhC8eggO 9p7Q== Received: by 10.60.1.168 with SMTP id 8mr9160127oen.129.1345411837156; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.49.201 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:30:37 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] DC to DC PS/charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just bought a Dell 17 inch laptop and have been looking for DC power supply/charger for it. The output of the AC supply is just over 19 volts DC @ almost 7 amps. I realize I could use an inverter and just plug the AC supply in to it, but that's a bulky kluge, IMO. Both the Accord and the Suburban have good sized console bins that I could stick the circuitry in and leave the output pigtail hanging out. I've be doing some online research, but haven't found any straight forward answers yet. Ron _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 16:27:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4569F2D01C9 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CD7572C0D16 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:27:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2012 22:30:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.84] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2012 22:30:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2012 22:30:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 33328 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2012 22:30:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345415408; bh=1RZTjLvVy6AmPNt+Ff7nPjWpICYJCPlBy5e2viLN4AI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=IA+iUeqdcHVIsMfV5GaV7UrFgCVJ0ndNwa33Ipbl5knhjrxYJrmpSHk4GHqSpfTGYp5Bl588D5Rlzh93xi9fdgh0uQHXQ8jk76TyEywvFR6k+e0ZRTjET0chfvmVnEYEHUwOae4M5v+Gjn+kDvJNXoMidqYG3xsDr+QHdHM+3d8= ino.wM5MHFewQUXGZ6n4if9gXP57M7w9SjtxrVGN0nOtpkR_dPr9a55P9ZoY geC6qWMLAQVT8eeKLXwFRHdsgcNw00IZbBAgSh7KuOJxVgQNsy193Y099nhS WHf1f.8fZ1gC81PKLYBOJC9dzKWMPUUnQ2wSBX2jXP9CuCtUeKR3I.Feyc4f ASu7HH9sBRImcGDgZMNyYC9ycwHf.gFHc.0DpFkgRG2kS5k5tKcKFUVYCaiJ C3mJLaB4XbnPqaaBI2dZ_FJbRAwSUutKqnrESTrIz3s0PPL7AfWHOGHaTqGZ Lg8moAC.4KJ7_ZGRnC6X9F06JqYUZqZk1VUa6P_PHu77z_ZKoPPqWU6nVDk2 n2w.VIGqp51_8EVi3YHxK69IH5tIoE_orprkmhsC.DuTHg3M7UTmKXYJiQbL .RlhS8Ub7hFLPULh4zwzIIOzPNduqHjRrJOnz0WxleYcRduNcDzKPh_6aJnx 6zZjTx4X4MxtyqT6A8Wnl7L8DNoY.Grn2uQTK Received: from john5043a2d406 (jniolon@108.227.226.77 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2012 15:30:08 -0700 PDT From: "John Niolon" To: "Tim" , "shop-talk" References: <8a1e76c.226c2c.139409cd8d5.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:29:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tim, this might work well for you... http://jniolon.classicpickup.com/horn.jpg john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Cc: "Randall" ; Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question > Yea, I have a 20 amp inline fuse. Sorry for the NooB confusion! > tim > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, ejrussell@mebtel.net wrote: > >> Clarify: I saw 'fuse link' and thought a length of wire with an in-line >> fuse holder (replaceble fuse). A 'fusible link' is a length of wire that >> is meant to melt & break the connection in the event of an overload. What >> you want (I assume) is an in-line fuse, not a fusible link. Eric Russell >> Mebane, NC >> >>>> I want to wire in an aftermarket horn on my Jeep. The wires that came >>>> with the swith are 16 gauge. The Fuse link I bought to wire into this >>>> set up is a thicker gauge. >>>> Is this ok? >>> >>> Not really. The fusible link will not protect the wire. Either use >>> larger >>> wire or a smaller link. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 16:39:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBE62D028B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906832D01C9 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:39:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so2653314iah.14 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:42:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8GaIIEdQww23HaFr8o88tjd3pq53HzkJ+SEN79kDZIw=; b=iTS5gsj3B8zym3XUO2Bjm/Sc6SJk0AHgZegEIYOpFvhR8R4tn/qKiLOiXJjN3ZNAQJ geNz1CENTYA53P3E+kjklMzOJL4P5cX9a9SDhSv9xRkXD3szr9WBSXArV/bHp2EDJMRx CxVXB8fc+aLzDyfGGTdBZAYtADTNuCbs+STOa8YM2Gvdk4z9cHHgyAa41euVwEkwnUZS 6/3FTvnmoj8JXHABHjJMLHyLdYpilsWuUKQlpV0khpJI8YoF5QkfuelyESwm1gJzLVAW kxGBYMu3XjTpWTV7A4WlW0nXK3UwrC1gf07P/vZ6pM60VhDEc/MF2wj10Asx57JToy+l m69A== Received: by 10.50.168.66 with SMTP id zu2mr8128608igb.54.1345416140504; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.41.38 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:42:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <8a1e76c.226c2c.139409cd8d5.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:42:20 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM, John Niolon wrote: > > this might work well for you... > > http://jniolon.classicpickup.com/horn.jpg You will, of course, want a fuse between the battery and the relay... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 16:45:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84622D02E4 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:45:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062582D0222 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:45:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so10775222obh.14 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:48:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OBKwKcadebn0ME1ood8n/ytbIDvbP0WHeSH4ZXUB3WA=; b=SlQaXa/VEGYQ/rfAcVJLdxKtXeZSQX55oTy2tkcrLA/F2Dvk7YoI9HEFAExOfav0vT lQOpE5ZG/B95IUB4akev0m3EbVPD9+3aPT4u6gd51/G990GuOiVv0o92XLQ6nW4/Q5xm lvhJ3nAF569rKbsyucKNlJ5F/6+mzHvQUyDTDq12Stu4qn0Ffkz0WCC0LrRJGyxWnPpd kaYMz7dW5fWwjEWbpTzY+R1Th4rvSlEhsK4H4g1OLbv8WaVpqL1R7OawRzNijZoa+EnT 0oCmNO9mp3OVNaN8JVKgpi8vXiBNf+nF3s5kA+itzHpWB+HS1tV2Uav+OxqP4yeNPkgD QzTw== Received: by 10.60.1.168 with SMTP id 8mr9257625oen.129.1345416506175; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.49.201 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:48:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <8a1e76c.226c2c.139409cd8d5.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:48:26 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wouldn't you want the horn button "hot" all of the time? I don't remember ever seeing a switched horn circuit. RD On Sunday, August 19, 2012, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM, John Niolon > > wrote: > > > > this might work well for you... > > > > http://jniolon.classicpickup.com/horn.jpg > > You will, of course, want a fuse between the battery and the relay... > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 16:51:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC342D02BF for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C05E2D01AB for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:49:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120819225216.WTSM10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:52:16 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id omsG1j0030x0GZM05msGX1; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:52:16 -0400 cv=nlrKf9u5uG3fs/vD0VBbL3/xzyN25p4t1WHsSeqasGo= c=1 sm=1 a=cMgGpCxuRLEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=OqmuZY0vB0YA:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:17 a=bpOEWwU_AAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=O4yilW60De08r74HD_UA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=0Ob1RWNGeVAA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=XhWjYIU9lkNJzTEX:21 a=N8lIFIXMqDjdp9g4:21 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:117 Received: from [75.134.19.20] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:52:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:52:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net What is the thought process behind the relay being close to hte horn? And how close does close need to be? Thanks On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 5:29 PM, John Niolon wrote: > Tim, > > this might work well for you... > > http://jniolon.classicpickup.com/horn.jpg > > john > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" > To: > Cc: "Randall" ; > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question > > >> Yea, I have a 20 amp inline fuse. Sorry for the NooB confusion! >> tim >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, ejrussell@mebtel.net wrote: >> >>> Clarify: I saw 'fuse link' and thought a length of wire with an >>> in-line fuse holder (replaceble fuse). A 'fusible link' is a length >>> of wire that is meant to melt & break the connection in the event of >>> an overload. What you want (I assume) is an in-line fuse, not a >>> fusible link. Eric Russell >>> Mebane, NC >>> >>>>> I want to wire in an aftermarket horn on my Jeep. The wires that >>>>> came >>>>> with the swith are 16 gauge. The Fuse link I bought to wire into >>>>> this >>>>> set up is a thicker gauge. >>>>> Is this ok? >>>> >>>> Not really. The fusible link will not protect the wire. Either >>>> use larger >>>> wire or a smaller link. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 16:52:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DE82D02FD for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226952D0220 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:50:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120819225307.WUBZ10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:53:07 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id omt71j00H0x0GZM05mt7LU; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:53:07 -0400 cv=qU9vTENroOq2s6i9/sTxZt9WOCoWX/XGfIT3Tj8F8dQ= c=1 sm=1 a=cMgGpCxuRLEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=OqmuZY0vB0YA:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:17 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=bpOEWwU_AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=zuQ2CosCugIkq-Q7azoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:117 Received: from [75.134.19.20] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:53:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:53:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, eventually. for now I just need one that works. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Ronnie Day wrote: > Wouldn't you want the horn button "hot" all of the time? I don't > remember > ever seeing a switched horn circuit. > > RD > > On Sunday, August 19, 2012, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM, John Niolon >> > >> wrote: >>> >>> this might work well for you... >>> >>> http://jniolon.classicpickup.com/horn.jpg >> >> You will, of course, want a fuse between the battery and the relay... >> >> Jeff Scarbrough >> Corrosion Acres, Ga. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 17:01:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1162D02C2 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:01:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.121]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7482D0220 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:01:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7JN3xHJ004735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:03:59 GMT Received: (from webmail@localhost) by mail931c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.12.2/Submit) id q7JN3xw0004734; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:03:59 GMT Received: from 152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov (152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov [152.133.7.64]) by webmail2.centurytel.net (Webmail 4.0 V.V.I.) with HTTP for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:03:59 -0400 From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: , "Tim" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:03:59 -0400 User-Agent: Webmail 4.0 a=vFMCQZgPscsA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=GPr01A5e9VcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=OqmuZY0vB0YA:10 a=QiQcBifw3rKpjI8epQikPQ==:17 a=0ifWaivuGYg4PSSDo0YA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=WkljmVdYkabdwxfqvArNOQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 1) Shorter wires do need to be as heavy a gauge as longer wires for the same current carrying capacity. B) As close as practical. A few feet of wire is fine. Ten feet or so would need a wire gauge increase. A hundred feet is right out! Eric Russell Mebane, NC > What is the thought process behind the relay being close to hte horn? > And how close does close need to be? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 17:39:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269E12D027A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E242D01AB for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:38:09 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=OqmuZY0vB0YA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=2tj2IeLXOCmoAL7I83MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55009] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E0/54-13948-18971305; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:40:50 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Tim'" , References: <25f34469.2269c3.13940893ea7.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:40:51 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac1+SDjX6pZTcAg6TTmDF2WlHIGJfgADR58g Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > The horn button that was suggested for use with this horn (by > summitracing staffer) came with 16 ga wire so I have to > assume that that > light of a ga is ok. Or they may have assumed that you would use a horn relay. Practically all modern cars do, and it's a very worthwhile modification to older cars. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 19:03:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054862D02CC for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:03:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFF52D0212 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so10946925obh.14 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:06:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zsNyKSQgrvFQXmXKZh0zgRAa8k/w7qH9De9wL4KHttc=; b=EsaID3OaG1IDF3Q7i/dpN+EEztD3lTm1RT73dKAbAp3zBl2sw9jWG20NwKKizNhODF fM3UbDgOfPqXTspEu9I+89y5nhWzr+/VDcJ0n/DXgc19W1pFk6vdR/2o2coIFNHbPrBZ hJKXPtDJO9AcUZ+PqGG8KtVZf8q+tEoV8Mmt5JtZx4sXyAZAYhNXQ7GKb0X4rPvZfH4j eHQlIXKId+xO6QCxkSDXtKrOoGnWMqphx5gx3kZJho9o439kP/YocZtWiSGOpl2QGu+E kupTd8/por/nfA5m0r46BuVtDS63NxFxHy/K/6VsOdF3zkUYLGUwG1FgHlOJac1uNRSs NPVg== Received: by 10.182.177.7 with SMTP id cm7mr9125228obc.17.1345424770304; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.49.201 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:06:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <004001cd7e65$a3cde9b0$0601a8c0@randall> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:06:10 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DC to DC PS/charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net They don't list my model, the XPS 17/L702x. The AC Supply is 130 watts. I tried an Antec 90 watt AC supply and got a message saying it wasn't big enough. At least I've found AC Supplies for considerably less than the $150 Dell gets, but I'd like to get by in cars without using an inverter. I will if I can't come up with a DC setup. I've already got inverters for both vehicles but they sure are bulky. On Sunday, August 19, 2012, Randall wrote: > This might do: > http://goo.gl/tNmWw > > -- Randall > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > > [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of > Ronnie Day > > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:31 PM > > To: Shop Talk List > > Subject: [Shop-talk] DC to DC PS/charger > > > > Just bought a Dell 17 inch laptop and have been looking for DC power > > supply/charger for it. The output of the AC supply is just > > over 19 volts DC > > @ almost 7 amps. I realize I could use an inverter and just > > plug the AC > > supply in to it, but that's a bulky kluge, IMO. Both the > > Accord and the > > Suburban have good sized console bins that I could stick the > > circuitry in > > and leave the output pigtail hanging out. > > > > I've be doing some online research, but haven't found any > > straight forward > > answers yet. > > > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tr3driver@ca.rr.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 19 21:38:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438EF2D02CD for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:38:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s5.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s5.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33BB2D0222 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W63 ([65.55.34.71]) by col0-omc2-s5.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:41:05 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:41:05 -0500 References: , , , <502CF9E9.6080103@xxiii.com>, , FILETIME=[A0F3E120:01CD7E85] Subject: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Well, based on what I have learned here and through my online research, I don't think it will be worth the expense and effort to replace my motherboard. However, I really don't want to spend much money on a new one right now, so I am thinking about getting a used or refurbished one. I'd like to keep it under $200. Ideally, I would like something at least as fast as what I currently have (HP Pavilion 5150T, Intel Dual Core processor E5300, 4GB DR3 - 1066MHZ SDRAM, 640GB SATA HD). Also ideally, I would like to be able to just move my current hard drive over to the new PC and have two internal hard drives. (I know I can get a SATA case, but I did say "ideally".) And, while I am wishing, it would be nice to be able to move my memory cards over to the new PC to increase it's power for free. I would also like it to run Windows 7, although I could probably be talked out of that if necessary. (I may be wrong about this, but I don't think I can transfer my current copy over. I bought my HP right before Win7 was released, and it came with an automatic upgrade once the system was out. As I recall, there was something in the license that said it couldn't be transferred to another machine. But, I could be wrong about that.) So, my first question is: does anyone have any recommendations for a good, reputable place to buy a refurbished PC? Beyond that, any recommendations on a specific PC? Following Wayne's advice, I have been looking at Dell Precision 390's. They seem to be at the upper end of my price range, but something like this might work: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110935816819&fromMakeTrack =true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en Any thoughts on this one? http://joy-systems.store.buy.com/p/dell-optiplex-gx620-sff-3-0ghz-2048mb-ram- 500gb-hdd-dvd-win-7-home/234733906.html?listingid=229951034 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 02:48:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BA42D0324 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mk-outboundfilter-5-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-5-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB4A2D02E4 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:47:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 88-104-31-54.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([88.104.31.54]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2012 09:50:28 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:50:27 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Got to remove a tree growing beside the shop and I've been wondering about using a Sawzall type saw for cutting the roots. Getting tired of swinging an axe in close quarters. Looking on ebay I came across these http://tinyurl.com/8fcvykz and wondered if anyone had experience in using these, or similar, for this type of job. Any suggestions gratefully received. Nick Brearley _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 05:23:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284A22D02EB for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:23:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C142D0283 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7KBPu4b025901 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:25:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:25:47 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <305ea594.22814d.13941162d73.Webtop.44@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] wiring question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/19/2012 6:52 PM, Tim wrote: > What is the thought process behind the relay being close to the horn? > And how close does close need to be? It's basically a remote control switch. It lets you run low voltage / low current wiring to a remote switch [eg: on your dashboard or steering column] of modest capacity, and switch a device of much higher from a distance. With large enough gauge wire, it doesn't have to be close, but generally, the idea is to minimize the heavy-gauge wiring distance. If you wanna go on the cheap -- I've been a Nissan guy for a long time. There is a very standard "blue relay" used for the last 20+ years. You can probably chop one and a socket out of about any scrap yard Nissan. Might be cheaper than the FLAPS. Who seem to be charging more & more for their crap parts every day. Kinda sad I can order Brembo BMW rotors from Amazon.com and pay shipping on 40 lbs of parts for less than I can score junk locally. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 05:36:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2CC2D02FF for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:36:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099222D014D for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120820113927.CXQM10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11>; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:39:27 -0400 Received: from wt03 ([209.225.8.43]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id ozfT1j0010vicD505zfT1d; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:39:27 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=9Gbxq6_kxB0A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=uYE9ufqI_YgA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=7zd0NkG-AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=FMG-2Lvic0lkGBQdYpQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:39:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:39:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Jim Stone User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net We've owned two dells. One new tower some years ago. It crapped out less than a month after the warranty expired**. I also bought a refurbed dell laptop off of evilbay for my oldest to use in college. This one turned out to be almost too slow to be usable. **I have heard of this from more than just my experience. Hating dell computers tim On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > Well, based on what I have learned here and through my online > research, I > don't think it will be worth the expense and effort to replace my > motherboard. > However, I really don't want to spend much money on a new one right > now, so I > am thinking about getting a used or refurbished one. I'd like to keep > it > under $200. Ideally, I would like something at least as fast as what > I > currently have (HP Pavilion 5150T, Intel Dual Core processor E5300, > 4GB DR3 - > 1066MHZ SDRAM, 640GB SATA HD). Also ideally, I would like to be able > to just > move my current hard drive over to the new PC and have two internal > hard > drives. (I know I can get a SATA case, but I did say "ideally".) > And, while > I am wishing, it would be nice to be able to move my memory cards over > to the > new PC to increase it's power for free. I would also like it to run > Windows > 7, although I could probably be talked out of that if necessary. (I > may be > wrong about this, but I don't think I can transfer my current copy > over. I > bought my HP right before Win7 was released, and it came with an > automatic > upgrade once the system was out. As I recall, there was something in > the > license that said it couldn't be transferred to another machine. But, > I could > be wrong about that.) > > So, my first question is: does anyone have any recommendations for a > good, > reputable place to buy a refurbished PC? Beyond that, any > recommendations on > a specific PC? Following Wayne's advice, I have been looking at Dell > Precision 390's. They seem to be at the upper end of my price range, > but > something like this might work: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110935816819&fromMakeTrack > =true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en > > Any thoughts on this one? > > http://joy-systems.store.buy.com/p/dell-optiplex-gx620-sff-3-0ghz-2048mb-ram- > 500gb-hdd-dvd-win-7-home/234733906.html?listingid=229951034 > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 05:54:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A001D2D02EA for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:54:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629B12D0217 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:54:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenl1 with SMTP id l1so6053772yen.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:56:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=F32nfbNDzXs9QmVDwDUnBAlwb10B6rocVPKCfThAlVs=; b=uMcLwMoXoLnGEkTTYkY+DM/6rIBGYOcdzLMUOqqA59RKY8lqN6f+Pm9o2PQ5BjSfA3 YVRl66DSGW5nA0/5H0n0kKE9yfDUnIa1b843Jx6q1AZmtZYycZgTFXKr84Wa0pOS0V2F lqY5Uucwwd1c+0fGY9TRePeEWxT0UkPcsN4J5gswH2ssXRBVC6zNIvKPfER2O0sZI2Q1 bo5epUr3Uara1TUpYp3gJJ58AgmLQ8pgxWyc2yqn7GtJugJ1s6PE1c8W1EjsIvL4vIi0 c2wgtxy2mL+nM1Z1n1fzQK0S3zdplYh2e+YYnoaAyCbhgdnbvDNZY4mIt3eiihbGb6vT gemQ== Received: by 10.50.152.243 with SMTP id vb19mr9621597igb.4.1345463819203; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.41.38 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 04:56:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <502CF9E9.6080103@xxiii.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:56:59 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > So, my first question is: does anyone have any recommendations for a good, > reputable place to buy a refurbished PC? Tiger Direct http://www.tigerdirect.com/ (CompUSA is the same company http://www.compusa.com/ ) Newegg http://www.newegg.com/ You can click on Desktops, then look in your price range. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/guidedSearch.asp?CatId=6&sel=Price%3BPrice4 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100019096%204017&IsNodeId=1&name=%24100%20-%20%24200 FWIW, I've had dozens of Dell computers, and haven't had any more trouble with them than with any other brand... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 06:19:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1AA2D030C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59222D01C9 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7KCMAS5026103; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:22:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:22:01 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: Jim Stone , Shop Talk List References: , , , <502CF9E9.6080103@xxiii.com>, , Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Jim, I'm still a Windoze XP guy. Yeah, it's 11 years old, but it's fast, does everything I need, and I have a legit license for it on the dozen or so machines I take care of. Don't know anyone that likes Vista. I've used 7 a little bit, and didn't see any reason to "upgrade". Mostly just frilly graphics, and when I finally found what I was looking for, it was the same identical friggin' dialogue box from XP. Just hidden much better. Anyway [rant off] from what I know of windows, any hardware change like a system board is gonna' make it refuse to boot. The Dell I recommended, much as I like them, is getting old at this point and takes DDR2 memory, which is a bunch more expensive & incompatible with DDR3. It sounds like you have an OEM licensed version of windows, so yes -- it is tied to the system, and you can't legally transfer it to another box. Even if you wanted to, it will probably tell you it's not on the HP it was sold for, and refuse to install. If you're happy with what you had, I'd try to score an identical mobo' or system on Ebay and drop it in. Otherwise, buy a case & board from newegg.com and build one. I'd recommend ASUS, Gateway, or MSI in that order for boards. ASUS is somewhat pricey, but they've been the OEM supplier to HP, IBM, and Compaq for the last couple decades. Top notch. Shoot - your HP probably has the video integrated on the board. There's an NVidia 8400 series board you can get for about $35 that's my fave. It's like the slowest chipset on the market today, but by being slow it's low-power; you can get a nice quiet fan-less board that's fast enough for any general use. Unless you're into video games or cad/cam, no sense running up your electric bill and listening to a fan shriek. -w On 8/19/2012 11:41 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > Well, based on what I have learned here and through my online research, I > don't think it will be worth the expense and effort to replace my motherboard. > However, I really don't want to spend much money on a new one right now, so I > am thinking about getting a used or refurbished one. I'd like to keep it > under $200. Ideally, I would like something at least as fast as what I > currently have (HP Pavilion 5150T, Intel Dual Core processor E5300, 4GB DR3 - > 1066MHZ SDRAM, 640GB SATA HD). Also ideally, I would like to be able to just > move my current hard drive over to the new PC and have two internal hard > drives. (I know I can get a SATA case, but I did say "ideally".) And, while > I am wishing, it would be nice to be able to move my memory cards over to the > new PC to increase it's power for free. I would also like it to run Windows > 7, although I could probably be talked out of that if necessary. (I may be > wrong about this, but I don't think I can transfer my current copy over. I > bought my HP right before Win7 was released, and it came with an automatic > upgrade once the system was out. As I recall, there was something in the > license that said it couldn't be transferred to another machine. But, I could > be wrong about that.) > > So, my first question is: does anyone have any recommendations for a good, > reputable place to buy a refurbished PC? Beyond that, any recommendations on > a specific PC? Following Wayne's advice, I have been looking at Dell > Precision 390's. They seem to be at the upper end of my price range, but > something like this might work: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110935816819&fromMakeTrack > =true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 06:24:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE582D02BC for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:24:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from g2host.com (mailfront4.g2host.com [208.42.184.242]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223532D027A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:24:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.164.52.117] (account arvidj@visi.com HELO HP62011) by mailfront4.g2host.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPA id 72951311; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:26:52 -0500 From: "Arvid Jedlicka" To: "nick brearley" , References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:26:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I did not purchase this kit but I have used blades that are similar to "The Ax". The issue I has hanging on to the Sawzall as the very aggressive teeth would grab on to what ever I was cutting and would shake the heck out of the person holding the Sawzall rather than cutting the wood. Assuming you can overcome that problem I don't see why it would not work. Arvid -----Original Message----- From: nick brearley Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 3:50 AM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Got to remove a tree growing beside the shop and I've been wondering about using a Sawzall type saw for cutting the roots. Getting tired of swinging an axe in close quarters. Looking on ebay I came across these http://tinyurl.com/8fcvykz and wondered if anyone had experience in using these, or similar, for this type of job. Any suggestions gratefully received. Nick Brearley _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/arvidj@visi.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 06:47:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC682D02BC for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc4-s6.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc4-s6.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FAD2C0D33 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:42:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W8 ([65.55.34.201]) by col0-omc4-s6.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:45:09 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:45:09 -0500 References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> FILETIME=[A22CEBD0:01CD7ED1] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have successfully used my reciprocating saw to prune trees and even cut down some small ones with it. The blade is more likely to bind when cutting live wood, but it does work. It helps to spray it with some kind of lubricating spray when you aren't worried about killing the tree. I have not tried the demolition blades in your link, but am fairly certain you can buy blades made for the task. > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:50:27 +0100 > From: nick@landform.co.uk > To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades > > Got to remove a tree growing beside the shop and I've been wondering > about using a Sawzall type saw for cutting the roots. Getting tired of > swinging an axe in close quarters. > > Looking on ebay I came across these http://tinyurl.com/8fcvykz and > wondered if anyone had experience in using these, or similar, for this > type of job. > > Any suggestions gratefully received. > > Nick Brearley > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jandkstone99@msn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 06:47:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ED22D0353 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F13B2D028B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:45:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200D668C05B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:47:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=groupwbench.org; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; q=dns; s= groupwbench.org; b=ZQjQ/lVB9WoixuIUG2Rd7eTy9Ei12798ehzCp8+sBUFIy UFcuT35pNnA0h+X2f4izmns/58vdb4DV5ABbLVd8EH/fmeLWKy8+jJeWgF2KsUIe 75ODV65B2aUNFUfio1w0PvTzrA9H+psizM2AnQ4ZImbhgwheit2WmAmhkPDz1M= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= groupwbench.org; bh=z3VMK/W6FmMhbBGFMwipnENntaI=; b=WM6YfZO22tvu pcOdQYeA0BTJUcDOh10T4MtZGMpX06xh/OS/f9rYyUAyL5YNYY41DBUnNgnnIo00 Q355OVW4um+CQWYoqEliKmtXvmsM875AQxjWkhpM9F28E690ReZC5zOcgo8e8isy 0d7km5a6Wucx5Z123WwIASgfE6dpCM4= Received: from gchander-e6420.india.int.com (pool-mnat.min.navisite.com [216.251.225.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a42.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C811868C058 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:47:44 -0400 References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> To: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 20, 2012, at 4:50 AM, nick brearley wrote: > Got to remove a tree growing beside the shop and I've been wondering about using a Sawzall type saw for cutting the roots. Getting tired of swinging an axe in close quarters. > > Looking on ebay I came across these http://tinyurl.com/8fcvykz and wondered if anyone had experience in using these, or similar, for this type of job. I've used them for their intended purpose and they nicely cut through anything. I probably used them for tree roots too, can't remember. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 06:48:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535CC2D035E for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s4.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s4.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993E42D028B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:46:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W31 ([65.55.34.135]) by col0-omc3-s4.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:48:57 -0700 From: Jim Stone To: , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:48:56 -0500 References: , , , <502CF9E9.6080103@xxiii.com>, , , <50322BE9.5020508@xxiii.com> FILETIME=[29E55620:01CD7ED2] Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everyone. I have borrowed an adequate box, so I have a little time and will keep researching. As for building my own, I have considered this before; maybe now is the time. I will do a little research on the process before making any decisions. > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:22:01 -0400 > From: wmc_st@xxiii.com > To: jandkstone99@msn.com; shop-talk@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) > > Hey Jim, > I'm still a Windoze XP guy. Yeah, it's 11 years old, but it's fast, does > everything I need, and I have a legit license for it on the dozen or so > machines I take care of. Don't know anyone that likes Vista. I've used 7 > a little bit, and didn't see any reason to "upgrade". Mostly just frilly > graphics, and when I finally found what I was looking for, it was the > same identical friggin' dialogue box from XP. Just hidden much better. > > Anyway [rant off] from what I know of windows, any hardware change like > a system board is gonna' make it refuse to boot. The Dell I recommended, > much as I like them, is getting old at this point and takes DDR2 memory, > which is a bunch more expensive & incompatible with DDR3. It sounds > like you have an OEM licensed version of windows, so yes -- it is tied > to the system, and you can't legally transfer it to another box. Even if > you wanted to, it will probably tell you it's not on the HP it was sold > for, and refuse to install. > > If you're happy with what you had, I'd try to score an identical mobo' > or system on Ebay and drop it in. Otherwise, buy a case & board from > newegg.com and build one. I'd recommend ASUS, Gateway, or MSI in that > order for boards. ASUS is somewhat pricey, but they've been the OEM > supplier to HP, IBM, and Compaq for the last couple decades. Top notch. > > Shoot - your HP probably has the video integrated on the board. There's > an NVidia 8400 series board you can get for about $35 that's my fave. > It's like the slowest chipset on the market today, but by being slow > it's low-power; you can get a nice quiet fan-less board that's fast > enough for any general use. Unless you're into video games or cad/cam, > no sense running up your electric bill and listening to a fan shriek. > > -w > > On 8/19/2012 11:41 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > > Well, based on what I have learned here and through my online research, I > > don't think it will be worth the expense and effort to replace my motherboard. > > However, I really don't want to spend much money on a new one right now, so I > > am thinking about getting a used or refurbished one. I'd like to keep it > > under $200. Ideally, I would like something at least as fast as what I > > currently have (HP Pavilion 5150T, Intel Dual Core processor E5300, 4GB DR3 - > > 1066MHZ SDRAM, 640GB SATA HD). Also ideally, I would like to be able to just > > move my current hard drive over to the new PC and have two internal hard > > drives. (I know I can get a SATA case, but I did say "ideally".) And, while > > I am wishing, it would be nice to be able to move my memory cards over to the > > new PC to increase it's power for free. I would also like it to run Windows > > 7, although I could probably be talked out of that if necessary. (I may be > > wrong about this, but I don't think I can transfer my current copy over. I > > bought my HP right before Win7 was released, and it came with an automatic > > upgrade once the system was out. As I recall, there was something in the > > license that said it couldn't be transferred to another machine. But, I could > > be wrong about that.) > > > > So, my first question is: does anyone have any recommendations for a good, > > reputable place to buy a refurbished PC? Beyond that, any recommendations on > > a specific PC? Following Wayne's advice, I have been looking at Dell > > Precision 390's. They seem to be at the upper end of my price range, but > > something like this might work: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110935816819&fromMakeTrack > > =true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 07:07:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4C62D02EB for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C9C2D0201 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120820130950.OIGU26743.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:09:50 -0400 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.211.88]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id p19A1j0071uzUvs0119p6R; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:09:49 -0400 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P_grQCu1cUQA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=kys2UyXWj07vxxawFQMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=VsJLkcZc5YftSd7c:21 a=5Lr-mA5Y1SIWWqW0:21 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:07:06 -0400 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: "John T. Blair" References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> <4B5116188F734D07AA9545B78B26EB15@HP62011> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 08:26 AM 8/20/2012, Arvid Jedlicka wrote: >The issue I has hanging on to the Sawzall as the very aggressive teeth would >grab on to what ever I was cutting and would shake the heck out of the person >holding the Sawzall rather than cutting the wood. Assuming you can overcome >that problem I don't see why it would not work. Arvid, Yes you can. I had to have a plumer replace the main sewage drain pipe at my house. He used a cordless saws-all to cut the root. I'll send you some pictures via private email. John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. 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In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 07:09:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386C12D039F for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7582C0CE4 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenl1 with SMTP id l1so6114676yen.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:11:45 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fdZn5mdBkAHoU4pEymNhM+hKKwDB3+xrP9yNz8HS7FM=; b=cc4UVWkQtQ2J461JlikkCcUZP0w7eb+gKtbop2BI9OrvnHt469X3ylA+f6WZSsYC01 T1B18JNxvavVUl00q1556K67uAV/A5QTjtkOQAc0OfIw+ZZvMsMkLh/Bp3wHiP16c7ec Di2J9gyCR3rv5jkngidEOE5Q/aS5GX7EbkjLeMvXgQfg9t7zd2ITYDOTiABABjWIU5tj UND6p5k48HmGwGjKV/ykGeghmZlpYvbzQBwO/YBvaFFxZiU8S464nfUvx+ldGXLx3qIK QjdVj6pILb0xk2i6w18oShamB87jEMwSmgGsIPb3m9J6ZTa6fsyfQFZ8d6h15Cc+9QN3 qO3g== Received: by 10.236.149.139 with SMTP id x11mr21515477yhj.5.1345468304930; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-71-203-101-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. [71.203.101.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h8sm14013462ank.9.2012.08.20.06.11.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:11:41 -0400 From: Scott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <4a884823.2c6564.13943d48e4c.Webtop.43@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Our office uses refurb Dells exclusively. If you go that route, I cannot recommend enough that you buy the highest level of warranty they'll sell you--the one where a tech comes to you that day to fix whatever breaks. Do NOT get the 'depot' warranty where you ship the computer back to Dell each time it breaks (and it will--often), unless you also have a spare machine to use for the two weeks it'll be gone each time. Dealing with Dells and Dell itself about the computers has made a lifetime Lenovo customer out of me. And I was a huge believer in refurb equipment and the idea that all p.c.s are created equal, no matter the name on the front. On 8/20/2012 7:39 AM, Tim wrote: > We've owned two dells. One new tower some years ago. It crapped out > less than a month after the warranty expired**. I also bought a > refurbed dell laptop off of evilbay for my oldest to use in college. > This one turned out to be almost too slow to be usable. > > **I have heard of this from more than just my experience. > > Hating dell computers > tim > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > >> Well, based on what I have learned here and through my online >> research, I >> don't think it will be worth the expense and effort to replace my >> motherboard. >> However, I really don't want to spend much money on a new one right >> now, so I >> am thinking about getting a used or refurbished one. I'd like to >> keep it >> under $200. Ideally, I would like something at least as fast as what I >> currently have (HP Pavilion 5150T, Intel Dual Core processor E5300, >> 4GB DR3 - >> 1066MHZ SDRAM, 640GB SATA HD). Also ideally, I would like to be able >> to just >> move my current hard drive over to the new PC and have two internal hard >> drives. (I know I can get a SATA case, but I did say "ideally".) >> And, while >> I am wishing, it would be nice to be able to move my memory cards >> over to the >> new PC to increase it's power for free. I would also like it to run >> Windows >> 7, although I could probably be talked out of that if necessary. (I >> may be >> wrong about this, but I don't think I can transfer my current copy >> over. I >> bought my HP right before Win7 was released, and it came with an >> automatic >> upgrade once the system was out. As I recall, there was something in >> the >> license that said it couldn't be transferred to another machine. >> But, I could >> be wrong about that.) >> >> So, my first question is: does anyone have any recommendations for a >> good, >> reputable place to buy a refurbished PC? Beyond that, any >> recommendations on >> a specific PC? Following Wayne's advice, I have been looking at Dell >> Precision 390's. They seem to be at the upper end of my price range, >> but >> something like this might work: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110935816819&fromMakeTrack >> >> =true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en >> >> Any thoughts on this one? >> >> http://joy-systems.store.buy.com/p/dell-optiplex-gx620-sff-3-0ghz-2048mb-ram- >> >> 500gb-hdd-dvd-win-7-home/234733906.html?listingid=229951034 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 07:20:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1202D0180 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm20-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EA902D0180 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 13:22:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.87] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 13:22:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 13:22:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 47692 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2012 13:22:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ameritech.net; b=U9ebvOE1yHho+OGYSqG2MGTZs3QyMziiOcyoKgO1mygnZLXDweUIe47N/d5orGIaoh+7LJWP8C6CiRwix0vylH0OS5ybOtPWUCftdlcufm0Yp05n6YvVeVn3mj4qSa0XRh6SEEgyrsOgfp1TouE9+kTC9rmL3somSk0JlouGBqI= ; s=s1024; t=1345468955; bh=Yk1U2XcZtu9UygkW7vY7Uw3ZyiKEeKA6DjLWHxnP50k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=lfcwMYN6aFfD12JTzfEz7oYDJPsf73QikEYKJyHfBPa+DDnc8fr56uDwTC+RZONaSXjHFtFOodL4oBRK6DtSzSWUY8AlocDZeH+EYOSTx4kfA/4i9TO0Y62RDewqNEnBUbtWea5UzuuPWhzlhIyMvh+eZOc5xq8kHl3A9GV1L8A= ExBlwe3pK5l0TxX.rdi7cxJMrTCCZ8uMxdsfqNmsyLxiNCmCar5mIgqc4Xsj e_o2wbs3Abzs8dOeLvjfz3Zc9_6f8_..NIjoWDang_69A3mSrPZkWzRrn7td d2Af1gXJ.sd8A7vZMEhvJNgt2sQQmTRNLfROhOuB6rHkBLqtGmXhSjlRJ7n. Fpzp8SEswe1l7cUZ0tGhmm2P37Qaz.j0Y9Gxr9s7l_cg5sFqeYbWsAnHoxbG uF6sbemdcYpBop26FrOT7Ex4IpzYrh6LLLS1HO.hjiJQN2daaBCoP.q.FkCn yzAMui3AzMNYGThOpAwPqcy2JdumgYzrIoXm0apfV0k11j.0GKlBx3Us6F9O 0.XivUs346MfRjNcB6nMwUOca1QFJJKpjKcSP0X1j.U0RuUuZe6PA15EcsUM ocf_o7Nicg2E3zG1NnyE_CZaKKP9c5nHGXABGxAJG4fyAataPE3GLjQgQz_e bdLOnGCHUFvTyNnfQkf8- Received: from Karl (kvacek@99.140.172.86 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 06:22:34 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'nick brearley'" , References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:22:26 -0500 Thread-Index: AQKLeaUtpzjud5ZeaFIOOIPgSuhqm5Xmth1A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I've cut lots of roots up to maybe 6", with my Sawzall, often just plunging it down in the dirt. I've had great luck with DeWalt blades. Certain Milwaukee blades (the Torch and Axe are among them) have worked well for me, but many other Milwaukee blades have been short-lived, dulling or even spitting teeth within a few minutes' use, and all Milwaukee blades are expensive. I've abused the heck out of DeWalt blades, binding them up and bending them into pretzels while hot. Let the blade cool a bit, roughly bend it back to shape, and the blade seems to have a memory - with a few pushes this way and that they're usually perfectly straight. Cutting into dirt (especially our very sandy soil) is gritty and tough on blades, but again the DeWalt blades hold up longer than any others I've tried. I do love my Milwaukee Sawzall, even if I'm not a fan of their blades. Sometimes when we were cutting those roots the saw got too hot to hold even with the rubber skin on the nose. I'd give it half an hour to cool off and go back at it. That's a load of abuse for it, but it was the only way to do the job (well, I also used an axe...). Anyway, after 15 years of mistreatment it still works good as new, though it looks pretty used. Karl -----Original Message----- From: nick brearley Subject: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Got to remove a tree growing beside the shop and I've been wondering about using a Sawzall type saw for cutting the roots. Getting tired of swinging an axe in close quarters. Looking on ebay I came across these http://tinyurl.com/8fcvykz and wondered if anyone had experience in using these, or similar, for this type of job. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 07:26:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7C92D0177 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511282D0177 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:25:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120820132829.EUJI10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:28:29 -0400 Received: from wt03 ([209.225.8.43]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id p1UV1j0010vicD5051UV2K; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:28:29 -0400 cv=nlrKf9u5uG3fs/vD0VBbL3/xzyN25p4t1WHsSeqasGo= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=P_grQCu1cUQA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=2FZKZvurAAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=OAJifrmOwlgOACkyXqYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KXuLW65_DLEA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:28:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:28:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: shop-talk@autox.team.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That's great info on brand durability. Thanks! tim On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > I've cut lots of roots up to maybe 6", with my Sawzall, often just > plunging > it down in the dirt. I've had great luck with DeWalt blades. Certain > Milwaukee blades (the Torch and Axe are among them) have worked well > for me, > but many other Milwaukee blades have been short-lived, dulling or even > spitting teeth within a few minutes' use, and all Milwaukee blades are > expensive. > > I've abused the heck out of DeWalt blades, binding them up and bending > them > into pretzels while hot. Let the blade cool a bit, roughly bend it > back to > shape, and the blade seems to have a memory - with a few pushes this > way and > that they're usually perfectly straight. Cutting into dirt > (especially our > very sandy soil) is gritty and tough on blades, but again the DeWalt > blades > hold up longer than any others I've tried. > > I do love my Milwaukee Sawzall, even if I'm not a fan of their blades. > Sometimes when we were cutting those roots the saw got too hot to hold > even > with the rubber skin on the nose. I'd give it half an hour to cool > off and > go back at it. That's a load of abuse for it, but it was the only way > to do > the job (well, I also used an axe...). Anyway, after 15 years of > mistreatment it still works good as new, though it looks pretty used. > Karl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nick brearley > Subject: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades > > Got to remove a tree growing beside the shop and I've been wondering > about > using a Sawzall type saw for cutting the roots. Getting tired of > swinging an > axe in close quarters. > > Looking on ebay I came across these http://tinyurl.com/8fcvykz and > wondered if anyone had experience in using these, or similar, for this > type > of job. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 07:50:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5032B2D0331 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80142D028B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7KDllRQ026447 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:47:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:47:38 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: Shop Talk List References: <4a884823.2c6564.13943d48e4c.Webtop.43@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry to hear about your bad experience. I have 7 of the Dell 390s at work, 2 at home, and another 2 I've bought and set up for family members, 2 lower-end Power Edge servers (SC430s), and a couple giga-bit switches. The 390s were all bought used, after a lightning strike fried almost every piece of equipment in our office. I called up Dell tech support, got a live American person in short order, and got useful tech support, and in one case requested an operating system CD for an out of warranty machine, and they not only sent it, but it showed up the next day free of charge Fed-Ex. I've heard some of the low-end Dell Vostro branded PCs have a bad reputation for reliability, but you get what'ca pay for. Or in the case of used ones a lot more. In my experience, they stand behind their high end products very well. -w On 8/20/2012 7:39 AM, Tim wrote: > We've owned two dells. One new tower some years ago. It crapped out less > than a month after the warranty expired**. I also bought a refurbed dell > laptop off of evilbay for my oldest to use in college. This one turned _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 08:05:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6B72D0343 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.239]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AC9D72D0222 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:00:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 15459 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2012 14:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (12.162.141.2) by p3plsmtpa07-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.239) with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2012 14:03:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:02:47 -0500 From: Pat Horne Organization: Horne Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Nick, I have used these blades on lumber and they work fine. A few points though. Since you are looking at a set of blades, are you going to need them in the future, or is this about all you plan on cutting? It will be cheaper to just buy a couple blades individually. When I cut this kind of material I use a 8 " or 12" blade, something that is not in the set. You may not want to or not be able to get the saw right against the root. If you find that the saw gets stuck, you can always cut out a notch like you would with an axe to give you more clearance. Last time I pulled a 12" stump we cut as many of the roots as possible, then called a wrecker to pull the stump out. It had a large tap root that we couldn't get to with any saw or axe. Peace, Pat Thusly spake nick brearley, On 8/20/2012 3:50 AM: > Got to remove a tree growing beside the shop and I've been wondering > about using a Sawzall type saw for cutting the roots. Getting tired of > swinging an axe in close quarters. > > Looking on ebay I came across these http://tinyurl.com/8fcvykz and > wondered if anyone had experience in using these, or similar, for this > type of job. > > Any suggestions gratefully received. > > Nick Brearley > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 08:06:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E81B2D0320 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3177B2D028B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:05:01 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:00:09 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/20/2012 10:00:16, Serialize complete at 08/20/2012 10:00:16 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DC to DC PS/charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Have you thought about hacking apart an old UPS? Just supply the old battery terminals with the 12v dc from your vehicle and you'll have 120v AC out. You need to make sure you have heavy enough gauge wire and that the UPS can supply the needed amps. But it can work and old UPS with bad batteries can be had for free. (Oh, you can sell the used batteries to most scrap yards.) Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 08:12:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE312D02EA for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:12:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm9-vm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.121]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 59A2C2D0222 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:12:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm9.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 14:15:16 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.82] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 14:15:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 14:15:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 6567 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2012 14:15:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345472116; bh=q6TggCn07JxIjCEQvFOxZVwm8phuVc1qJbzBk+nRMyI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i1MPDulFRlziMUypjGbAmt/zaAlkXIMkehPM29WtI5lU/kRxTnYKdKCXH4d6+IXRwliV66za0PhoQ151EsaCzHhrOgUHrIhEUY9yxQo3KXn+mPo2hlm/S29K610nkPDeDHP7RO1Jwthpnk3ZBWD1Bk48jq7IdeyAg1inkEIhaFA= s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EfDqcCap1cHHJb/Gh9+IEQI316mwZxnSVbCsp1Jg2pMZYaJ7o7nFGgQ2Hk7/xUd4BuUBHE4ynFfniY0wiKNnI4Kgz8ArNhO0QCTb5BnhR9cEEdGpGN/UJK+8s2lIH3UhuEgMFwWjZMVJQWcAO20o30ZJw7tpB8pJ0/A7ke+SFEU=; aky2OGVSFGIu4od7fLN3LNsrHvmsQ0dQDg6N7uP67QCL2pNj9UNDR8QEX16U IUHztD6ME3iWmuNRr0Mg6amM3KSH9KOzqaOUo6zZAnBuhUzyvxD03DheYMj. ut0h1EHAX1CObek9xcfDUt8vSmDz5pQnZGuhIvfgov47ys5.2O2vk5FtJ.Iu VHhq03aPYuQvUclp6ibzHj4bK2y98bDx1PTcILpWLf4JcVeaC3B0hEcfvpv3 mMkl3SHk0MIcgHIDa12w61LcbyFUfybzCUeUXg6cGjCC7Gm_zod73bjNyNBm 4TmKV3uI1fiG7o7LEIyvvE8LiEFB1RsjUZMviqEyLW7QCaODra1hmdtUIgYj PUmxAirAXBb_yZgl_m51fqqQx_gUSjWUBkbbMBVyDoX0rJIBtFd4da_hkm8m vosaFJXKPNB3l6ZgrvqeOAhFmBVlPnyKnRzrySxlJllQUDKW5h5Q6afbKb5Z RVvO778cKxO2V_jfdAnYWE75B36ijZAsYTdYVVfkegNkBQjurXlNow3b7evG BiCw1bsnWY4kn1z._28pd2IfUPMo7bDiP.BMMD99UxYppHlFJEn.VCqbrxfY wxVvEOWgs6LGMM3niWzsXAhZ4Q7ehoHgDPqnJalPY3GkToyAMW_E44lkGzpS z7HzVsbILiwqoZccwZ05_AthUQRcyvX4K_2shnJJo Received: from [12.167.75.11] by web184502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:15:15 PDT References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> <4B5116188F734D07AA9545B78B26EB15@HP62011> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Rand E To: nick brearley , shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Here's a set that Kmart currently has on sale for $9.99. http://www.kmart.com/craftsman-reciprocating-saw-blade-set-10-pk/p-005W840418110001P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1 Randy -----Original Message----- From: nick brearley Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 3:50 AM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Got to remove a tree growing beside the shop and I've been wondering about using a Sawzall type saw for cutting the roots. Getting tired of swinging an axe in close quarters. Looking on ebay I came across these http://tinyurl.com/8fcvykz and wondered if anyone had experience in using these, or similar, for this type of job. Any suggestions gratefully received. Nick Brearley _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 08:13:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A265F2D0365 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:13:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth22.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth22.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CFE492D0222 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:12:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 16350 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2012 14:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (12.162.141.2) by smtpauth22.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.44) with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2012 14:15:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:14:47 -0500 From: Pat Horne Organization: Horne Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DC to DC PS/charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, Finding a 19.x power DC/DC converter won't be easy, but you can get close looking for a power supply that as plus and minus 12v (or 24v) and a 5v that is separate from the higher voltage output. Buck the 5v supply against the 24v and you will have something close to 19v. I haven't tried this with switching supplies, but it worked with analog supplies. \ Another way, though not as elegant, is to buy a 24v converter and add a regulator to the output to get the voltage you need. Either of these will cost more than an inverter to plug you power supply into. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Ronnie Day, On 8/19/2012 4:30 PM: > Just bought a Dell 17 inch laptop and have been looking for DC power > supply/charger for it. The output of the AC supply is just over 19 volts DC > @ almost 7 amps. I realize I could use an inverter and just plug the AC > supply in to it, but that's a bulky kluge, IMO. Both the Accord and the > Suburban have good sized console bins that I could stick the circuitry in > and leave the output pigtail hanging out. > > I've be doing some online research, but haven't found any straight forward > answers yet. > > Ron > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 08:13:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E642D02AB for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39642D0222 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:13:40 -0600 (MDT) To: Jim Stone From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:08:50 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/20/2012 10:08:54, Serialize complete at 08/20/2012 10:08:54 Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I was in the computer industry for over 20 years. I can say that Dell machines are the last thing I would EVER purchase. Every company I worked for switch from Dells to HPs. Dells are way overpriced and propretitary with NO support for customers (and only slightly better for companies.) If you really want to go low priced, go to http://www.heartlandamerica.com/ and get a couple year old system for next to nothing. If you need more than they offer, go to Walmart and get an eMachine (if they are still around) or HP. But whatever you do, and I can't stress this enough, STAY AWAY FROM DELL!!!! Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 09:09:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F374F2D03D7 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm6-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 132E72D03AC for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:03:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.127] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 15:05:47 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.53] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 15:05:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 15:05:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345475147; bh=7Dg7ilqHffiAN4Fv5sV9pJO7BYFEjCBDyYkGgcCN5fQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=Tk12n0oKE8IdESyJwH19ij1d8QGInTk1zZHFs7sVV08wjlLBsjysIXmtLNbCR21Ov1k5qS3CRn54rQ9haLS54AqeeZ/hpdMcdRnhnmsngt9mKrN+fh/F2dcx508YwStFuSr7moBaJcA1576GSO8/t9V3u7H9151wk4+QwKDSrOs= 53a2QovV2lkdTe5APuILfb5zk2pBouPibjcKQ_oTQCbM_Thp7OdzInztcd03 5wf_qTsmBjS00N_POfF4EXDYmF6_DGsvr4EsBzvk4ZVxywkEVRIYY51NuDIa fqK.W4Ap2d3v0kNt8KSgDUZqItzGcZLlVO.8scnOho9tL1ph2ZIEVQD9J3mF LX37sFXehNls4hhP4qolruqnncfeRgl1zpQ_mESPya1emkjwysQJ.OaQKrgE 3m77LmbFnvONCWglpLmsqQTBKqAo5jEQqT9kCEQI4X7Nw0PYAovf7n_T.wnB bqhNMC.tGAERgd1ZacChiSo4ppX8giPxYClEbv9jzotD8EclcFB0Mpa6l80S 8Gq26qTlxxMjG7_bNB0OTazxX6zop_XQlMn3cXOY9Wp75UM8fIzhkw8Sblbh d.WJAeEQCdLhkj3hVPXyU1nlPQWUJg88- Received: from Karl (kvacek@99.140.172.86 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 08:05:47 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: <4a884823.2c6564.13943d48e4c.Webtop.43@charter.net> <5032378D.3000202@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:05:31 -0500 Thread-Index: AQL+qNWpc+JxiGpC0t8lEOfTuun/4wKRZ2K7lOvRkuA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Amen on both avoiding Dell and kudos to Lenovo. Dell USED to be great, but they've cheapened beyond acceptability in random areas, plus having moved their support to India. Unfortunately, HP cheapened their stuff beyond acceptability long ago too, and like Dell, so much is proprietary. I was given a year-old Lenovo ThinkPad a few years ago - it's a well-built unit, and once I maxed out the RAM to 4 GB, put in a fast 500GB HDD, and Win7 Pro, it still flies. Unlike Wayne, I really like Win7, though I skipped over Vista. I've installed it on quite a few clients' older XP machines, most with RAM upgrades (though as noted DDR2 is expensive) and a new HDD for insurance, and even with minimal RAM (1-2 GB) it runs much faster with none of XP's blue screens of death or "what the heck is it doing" stalls. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Scott Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Our office uses refurb Dells exclusively. If you go that route, I cannot recommend enough that you buy the highest level of warranty they'll sell you--the one where a tech comes to you that day to fix whatever breaks. Do NOT get the 'depot' warranty where you ship the computer back to Dell each time it breaks (and it will--often), unless you also have a spare machine to use for the two weeks it'll be gone each time. Dealing with Dells and Dell itself about the computers has made a lifetime Lenovo customer out of me. And I was a huge believer in refurb equipment and the idea that all p.c.s are created equal, no matter the name on the front. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 09:11:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E827E2D0317 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:11:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 285972D03E0 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 15:12:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.49] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 15:12:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 15:12:35 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345475555; bh=89IsCQvhCaAHvQhEPdBEz3ycGzCujg+dKWWMaa/ecFs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=Nf8E3XR8hrpTyYNuR0Emw3xsX3x7G4YvF8MhuT7JOE6gNQXLsRqxAJ29oOwwOW30vMU5eN1E4unCZY0W/xOM1Mhi7vRlrXaAEXc2vEuNi3LAymSUhW6XDI5HMyxp1CmbFMUGRcrfodhDjw1G/dg0zz+m0pKvbrJjRza7AHlEwws= J3zX4FEpmYC6K3nl7xFV7Auxpq7I.Msg5aacQIQuRBVaheL60izVX36AYiMy ODz20EfNK4ox9Toax3TCDVo01F2bsiMykLe.kUKdnATDVgnGaaUFi6Vw35lL ZqLirFXi4bjO3H8UT84aORG5JV.9m6NKkyddWWSbKbqHwWwmcIQrO9zQVXvJ gdk133JXTh57ggGaKF6bj75wHPNdKP03UfINt7QSnqvPIBOuC4jB2A3ksdG7 0XAP5nWh8k4fOWsdk7VIZIxJKWlBhM9U8Im8Mpzh7ErFCGsh5J5B4TtOxj8q fycb6.EmZpttxm1GWFfivNfiK3WZrfvmISmjzBQd4gKX9sZ73krn1wGtSoSA qqQyYwd.AYCi5fe7N58Sq1EHrdHpHFoVVhKyh6ApVKEQmug6LRPcjOpEeliV 7htfELYfRPrC.FFZyBa7IRIp6V9HMZsaV5XHM2EJzCKePYP9O6NRjZ8f3gtg 1rATfvyrVV2Zzt.w7ibLBD0LGrRS277y4HyklOwlwEhLSdI6TIHFIiCaQ2j4 URwzXQFyLwr3I3e7.F2ZS86FShKxIvsp5EWquyZY- Received: from Karl (kvacek@99.140.172.86 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 08:12:35 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> <4B5116188F734D07AA9545B78B26EB15@HP62011> <1345472115.1540.YahooMailRC@web184502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:12:27 -0500 Thread-Index: AQKLeaUtpzjud5ZeaFIOOIPgSuhqmwKLWkrkAe8gPyuVwwOwYA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Who makes Craftsman blades? Cheap doesn't mean good deal, though expensive doesn't guarantee good either. And ditto on Pat's mention of a 12" blade for trees and roots - the only way to cut that stuff with a Sawzall. Those are the ones I've abused the most, and the ones I've pretzeled and then had good results on straightening. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Rand E Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Here's a set that Kmart currently has on sale for $9.99. http://www.kmart.com/craftsman-reciprocating-saw-blade-set-10-pk/p-005W84041 8110001P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 10:24:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2672D033B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from iport-c1-out.ucsd.edu (iport-c1-out.ucsd.edu [132.239.0.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BD82D0365 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:20:30 -0600 (MDT) i=mpless@ucsd.edu; q=dns/txt; s=041709-iport; t=1345479793; x=1377015793; h=date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=jvyUw8QuiqsAWOINrludK83BxFpYfkVruGkLFtWWIxY=; b=lRAXGtorKB3Dn4hSyzL16uvj0cZ5sMZsANMnA8E8i290TfTRp06CsJ3n criugkjFQ4TRfatBVO0ms29/k/4Lvq+zc1OB2ytzDvFjVEAF3/RN9+CFS GfWCZxuKrzmBKh8PYbukH1wjqLuFpKFrhIbnaspJC0NinUD9tYxHnqxXu c=; Received: from servo.ucsd.edu ([132.239.50.46]) by iport-c1-out.ucsd.edu with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2012 09:23:11 -0700 Received: from servo.ucsd.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by servo.ucsd.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A812FC61 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:23:10 -0700 From: Marcus Pless To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net (from eric@megageek.com on Mon Aug 20 07:08:50 2012) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net As another data point, my department at a large SoCal University purchases several hundred new PCs every year for use in computer labs, and we've done this for years. We've purchased Dells for at least the last 9 out of 10 years (last summer HP wanted our business badly enough that they undercut Dell's pricing so we went with HP). The HPs are nice machines, but the only real problem we've ever had with the Dells was when the entire industry was dealing with the "bad caps" plague. I recommend Dells and HPs to friends and family members that live far enough away that I can't help them out and they've never had any brand specific issues. Our Dell PowerEdge serves have been outstanding; I've still got a rack of PowerEdge 2650 servers that have been running 24/7 for 10 or 11 years now without so much as a cooling fan or power supply failure. We've lost hard drives over the years, but everything else is still going strong. I certainly agree that Lenovo is an excellent brand to consider for Windows/Linux based portables. For a number of years my department included an authorized Apple repair facility (including warranty repair). Given their market share I was shocked at the sheer number of Apple computers that came into our building for repair. They might make nice looking hardware and excellent user interfaces but I've never been impressed with the actual build quality of Apple products. YMMV... --Marcus On 08/20/2012 07:08:50 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > I was in the computer industry for over 20 years. I can say that Dell > machines are the last thing I would EVER purchase. > > Every company I worked for switch from Dells to HPs. Dells are way > overpriced and propretitary with NO support for customers (and only > slightly better for companies.) > > If you really want to go low priced, go to > http://www.heartlandamerica.com/ and get a couple year old system for > next > to nothing. > > If you need more than they offer, go to Walmart and get an eMachine > (if > they are still around) or HP. > > > But whatever you do, and I can't stress this enough, STAY AWAY FROM > DELL!!!! > > Eric P > "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a > rational > being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph > Waldo Emerson > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mpless@ucsd.edu _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 10:40:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3822D038A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F552D017C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:33:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7KGaeK9027050 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:36:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:36:30 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: Shop Talk List References: <502CF9E9.6080103@xxiii.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/20/2012 7:56 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > Tiger Direct http://www.tigerdirect.com/ (CompUSA is the same company > http://www.compusa.com/ ) I suggest everyone stay WAY the hell away from Tiger Direct. They will spam your email mercilessly after an order. (unless you track down the corporate and personal email addresses of their IT guys and raise hell.) Their customer support sucks. Google it. There used to be a web site "tigerdirectsucks.org" with a few thousand complaints, but they have enough money and lawyers they appropriated the domain name for themselves and shut it down. Hit NewEgg, Amazon or Provantage. -wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 10:55:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D182D03D7 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:55:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.254]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 74E2F2D0365 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:55:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 16:57:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.249] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 16:57:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 16:57:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 88280 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2012 16:57:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345481876; bh=A0LJqH4bniF/5DcdziVS/UB0Dq21Bm7kgBaQoO+TrRA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DrLcKgOm1eT2NwDr7lIdAj7sipf9STiYjng7ti+/LVUOnYk+xrfn4NZ5Y7Z+2B76ZgbjAw2V1wGgp1O2Ljgq8xWrKz8YbaoZlTLixcoJ/9nj8dg4ff+FrfXwwGaPkOymRCaKguvEGh/1H0lXenKoSekjP2gNWyHDZY0Oc3HBBvg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AwFJzpID5bkikfFd8qwOoe+PHLykAUH/+7ckQYFMliKrsFruCTq2hBld5Xp3clEa4nMoMreUtdDeipN25jU4EvdSPbD08qkamuehGCLIszqDs10ICKfXov+aTjqYYjBUIrE1X3E7wL9/WBR0m0SSdEhzL0e2dtlHcaQC1imgiiU=; PbPxCFqjFdUi96LRMPxILdCjT_X10uNOmZylszGTKNe23Z9LtxlSWKL2D591 08urXA35kz46UU7Els8ofL81aGdYMRqqntZYPcaXU5XIfdh18rJ.JmL1J.vV QM4Ct6i4BD.7.ouYhCVN7QS9t8UWC2J6yXljHP5V7xY9Gd6ifZjwDmndNPBg Te.khVEXGe68Pr_eKnS2PeYI31H29_z.3LEJsJ35vKt97O94biUmVh2ZKYkl _nomK_uADnwNbZyfXf.KKhVrmoXXs9MkwdhJy_6wHuoVYVoqF5nn8b7EgAld Zpri4PYmtKxsZT.sgls5r3AvF01QLNYHwN06qqtMFT9FVXyp3LUHm.ARnrYv oC8EcI22Mju6Arh7OsL8rKKsQVGVpmW.Szwj86hDaKynzZVz.I9xGd.698MJ AhN6P9mid15ojnOsesU7ErEmHBkYNj2M1AyiEE_yH Received: from [15.203.233.85] by web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:57:56 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge Garcia To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Determining Space Requirements for a Storage Building Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Guys, I want to determine the Square Footage requirement to store up to 25 cars of various sizes plus enough space for a workshop area with a two post lift. I know that the average car will occupy 250Sq.Ft. so 250SqFt * 25= 6250Sq.Ft. My idea of storage is along the lines of a parking garage, where you can have access to your vehicle without having to move the others. Thanks in advance for your help. Jorge _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 11:17:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A202D03A5 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CD7B2D0349 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 32632 invoked by uid 3198); 20 Aug 2012 17:20:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 17:20:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: Jorge Garcia References: <1345481876.74258.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Determining Space Requirements for a Storage Building Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is easy. Find out the size of your property, minus the legally-required set-back on each side. Done ;) -- David Hillman PS I'm told you can never have enough space, but I haven't tested this theory much yet. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 11:41:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D84A2D03AA for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:41:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3465A2D0391 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:40:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 88-104-31-54.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([88.104.31.54]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2012 18:43:24 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:43:23 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: KVacek@Ameritech.net References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> <004201cd7ed6$d81e54e0$885afea0$@ameritech.net> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Karl Vacek wrote: > > I've abused the heck out of DeWalt blades, binding them up and bending them > into pretzels while hot. Thanks Karl, Now you mention it I remember someone else commenting favourably on Dewalt blades in the past. Since the saw is a Dewalt I'll look into their blades as well. Glad to hear they can be used on roots. I've had some unhappy experiences with chainsaws and soil so that led to the question. Nick _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 11:44:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6082D03C5 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:44:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BDA512C0A07 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm28.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 17:47:15 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.214] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 17:47:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 17:47:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 54748 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2012 17:47:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345484835; bh=1mbyq/p/j1CPkYqc2xsUbeTxBrED/0v98JblAmS63T8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JMJ2Ctep/b/5RHCzLQdMTH+HuTEQQZY/gcSR/P26WYfntjAysLJq9etCSM7Lxqh7UOpV7GTSZc+ZvHBdihUayhhWPJSzp5uakwbDVXUuSUgsRUBDP9rqFZ4yu5XGPtsuXMhe89BlYm/jefRtfNhlxscenFAunfXEEQEIsSs9NEo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=khfywWlWFxP1BDlh+Lt0N0m7QkQNmUOsrMdLQMwexyh4Rhao1IXSyauLwELuX46ib8ZMZjQwCjd3epbsRm3Abd2FC0TT+4flWZb1UQf49FUgIGRdQe90tpts05WRe5LdcHLLhECvWEiymF3u2TYn/0ZQuAP8ctvxBPPir8k8vm0=; 6lxMzAbNHXEEh7vZYNpm6O5cBgm6Ek1Y_dggHf.pQI1LUoq7FmkayXQ878V9 eGTMfbBrNQ5_hnd0PifgElpSeYJoq.sAK7a.rMdp5Al2E7FK2C2ZnKDtmjxd vG3QztytPFS3SUCI21VzLAFOCs0hqtRV3h3Q3CtwV__giWNEzM.BEYf6dhv2 RWfCUnIWES6vcPemmvNJbga4rfXVcenx7FnHECivm9G.sC91aljkdxz7oMfq O_AATHmtqpOHY1HSlaFgW_m9ACqj88UKdpr7t4DbKOY.MdF1WL_KvPKiNEqf dfVsdVH1JULrId4t5TBVrp7X8PAkgj64MMoiNV5xvkZMWzI.kYLOlQtlzCKx reoGf9l74w7x4vTaUZekV0jQR1efuds8oFHg7CHaHXAuafPtw._SuhdvVOUb AAUXHpri79CTW2DGrVYsvGoo_SRTwQSjnf6k0PdP.GAqB6AB6gbvm5xbKaZ8 Mpjsmn_BMy8kG2ZDZs5RJq8vzRccvZTPOt8M3NJeeZg7fQYl0BZjpLODggUK CV6KogkXbM.3NMj2bJEo- Received: from [173.252.176.138] by web140003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:47:15 PDT References: , , , <502CF9E9.6080103@xxiii.com>, , Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:47:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Another source: www.cyberpowerpc.com No affiliation. My dream pc is currently at 15k. That price has varied between 10k and 15k (Yikes!) Have fun with the configuration tool.. :) As for Dells. They are great for getting support in terms of drivers and such, but if one were to look at each individual component, you'll see some shortcuts being taken. My current one is 3 years old, used for work. It's had various repairs over the three years. Goes about 6-8 months before needing something. Most common problem is the main board with the integrated video being fried. Good thing for warranty. The repair folks have been on time, and efficient at getting the parts and repairing. I'm due for another PC soon. I can't be bothered building pc's anymore. Not worth my time getting everything to work together. Regards, Brian ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Stone > To: peterwmurray@gmail.com; "shop-talk@autox.team.net" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:41 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) > (snip) > So, my first question is: does anyone have any recommendations for a good, > reputable place to buy a refurbished PC? Beyond that, any recommendations on > a specific PC? Following Wayne's advice, I have been looking at Dell > Precision 390's. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 11:47:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DAF2D02AC for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:47:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453B12C0A07 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:47:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 88-104-31-54.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([88.104.31.54]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2012 18:50:10 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:50:09 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> <50324387.7060107@hornesystemstx.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Pat Horne wrote: > Nick, > > I have used these blades on lumber and they work fine. A few points > though. > > Since you are looking at a set of blades, are you going to need them > in the future, or is this about all you plan on cutting? It will be > cheaper to just buy a couple blades individually. > > When I cut this kind of material I use a 8 " or 12" blade, something > that is not in the set. You may not want to or not be able to get the > saw right against the root. > > If you find that the saw gets stuck, you can always cut out a notch > like you would with an axe to give you more clearance. > > Last time I pulled a 12" stump we cut as many of the roots as > possible, then called a wrecker to pull the stump out. It had a large > tap root that we couldn't get to with any saw or axe. > Pat, I was looking at the set as a tester for various jobs as well as the tree roots. Since the Sawzall type saw is not much used on this side of the pond it's a case of finding out what it can do. They're mostly seen on TV shows like "Scrapheap Challenge". Karl mentioned the Dewalt blades so I'll probably look at them too, in the 8 and 12 inch lengths you recommend. Nick _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 12:03:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D182D03D8 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B1BAE2D0396 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:02:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm21.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 18:05:31 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.222] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 18:05:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1031.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 18:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 72500 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2012 18:05:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345485931; bh=nS5iUywhq+4pryL32HIGMb9H9NHAUJ6uVqK878Sb5Jk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gC7QyHpG3efs6JJ5rrnNEu981NN7srcv4O0ALdgWztVDDw+AkjsQVZO/PLW6mfTT2Xccnu2bMe2F5fYRtCG+48Jd8eZjPINTUT/XDnKIJO8txBPA1ylclnSwbvDiTpMEgsU5omhFWJy6VPZlS747eBuHOK07NKGg+WYxJe3gRjo= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rJw5kgo05Ere/Gw25WTrt4OAbBjFR4yUAjn2HP74psaDdfY5r1KAfWL3+F8+xM3oNaxGOK3ZILIYabz8b77y8PnI9//oMfwHR8J7klLNtRO4UFgLxIasbMOiJ0HBSIgQDZOS6ejPGtvwie522l+fC0OkzsRedpKX9NIeE1Du5DE=; c01x5AUYyGvRRi1BlwwZCm.Aq_nX_P.n46MVdTNVfEePX2vRa8v17Yb_q78o YRemv0qUHRmUsmrDNiyp7JrNfZMcmJrOyb7VGQ9DOjxsxZneUwyyV5AbHXpU CrOHAsnOP_NHnTM5.7OtkXMSk_wzCmo4jlaFumR7kIUfDjusstQVuHoA_fp0 iCBiQyqtBFDhP6ye_.5rT_OGeUau3OB5qPE.xqycHHgWoQp0UpePRUCDMtbB UOv22U_NrnEMT2QRotweXYf.nup6AVYpIPRnUqyd3RJ2LJQPT6vVBnQ_BP8n 6GufqmaPG33T1zhmviGiJOIqOKyEQYC7W5OIbivbloeFdX4mVBnDfdUGFlLe wPOChr7.C.qOtF9LYtngLNRMTyVlYV4rjA2I_i1nSd1F81bhU.1mh.eMIi.G yzfEc6cn6iDEN3M86kMSdV_dMOjvEyNjyZ6t7bk3ZXq3XjL17FBiWuqgrc4C Ha1jYolXo_EHzY1HdA3BC_rAt9y5h7YByYREyP1cycbUgm3fB9n.JRIGdZ7T mGh0- Received: from [15.203.233.85] by web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:05:31 PDT References: <1345481876.74258.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:05:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge Garcia To: David Hillman Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Determining Space Requirements for a Storage Building Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Actually I am looking to lease a building /warehouse for this purpose I don't have a property to build on. I searched the big G and found a pdf document on a county regualtion for parking lots and garages that was very helpful and I think I have a good handle on how much space I need. Thanks Jorge ________________________________ From: David Hillman To: Jorge Garcia Cc: shop-talk Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Determining Space Requirements for a Storage Building This is easy. Find out the size of your property, minus the legally-required set-back on each side. Done ;) -- David Hillman PS I'm told you can never have enough space, but I haven't tested this theory much yet. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fortee9er@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 12:19:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0A52D0360 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2432D02E4 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:18:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ozFz1j0051uE5Es596MPPB; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:21:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.82.100] ([71.235.119.87]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id p6MW1j00J1tDsSn3c6MXkW; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:21:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:21:20 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: KVacek@Ameritech.net References: <4a884823.2c6564.13943d48e4c.Webtop.43@charter.net> <5032378D.3000202@gmail.com> <007001cd7ee5$42ed7040$c8c850c0$@ameritech.net> Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/20/2012 11:05 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > Amen on both avoiding Dell and kudos to Lenovo. Dell USED to be great, but > they've cheapened beyond acceptability in random areas, plus having moved > their support to India. Unfortunately, HP cheapened their stuff beyond > acceptability long ago too, and like Dell, so much is proprietary. Reality is all of the computer manufactures are really just assemblers. Only real difference between them is the case and support (Lenovo and HP have the best support from recent research on laptops), possibly a proprietary power supply though 3rd party parts can be found. None actually make the power supply, motherboard, processors, memory, hardrives, etc. themselves; the just farm it out to OEM manufactures. In the effort to hit the bullet points and compete on price, they tend to use the lowest cost parts, like power supplies and memory. For this reason I never buy a system, but rather assemble it myself from parts I've selected. Costs more up front but in the long haul is cheaper and better. When I want to upgrade, I just buy a new motherboard/processor/memory (occassionally a new PSU) and reuse all the old components. If a part fails, just replace with off the self standardized parts. After an upgrade, the older replaced parts migrate to the kids computers. Peter T. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 13:15:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FAC2D039B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:15:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-gh0-f169.google.com (mail-gh0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118A92D033B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ghrr18 with SMTP id r18so6493046ghr.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:11:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nGX60QCVcdVg67Z1hywGcaohV0P1iZOPQ4e1Gc5y3yU=; b=h7k74oEQFCRR3SvU01trwtVIMOZfM59C6NwnsfslfEjWdci9BciU3CMFzAZmV/42Lt /3UDNOf2rfvSL6A7jh2tDCUbUSGFJK/UOrqjteiDoppSEmNL1eHpyKxH8mt9I6b1WTmj BsaAmpQsPE27dTpZp0JvCkt1nGflTXCWs+ajKl5Kncbt6UiAvvOzVgyEkiTCxy5n94IT 4/pB98zN7UT0lB5PlY6w4N8Oav/2tkO0soD7EqQp+Oesj3Dw0Vish1gqSaktYY56iyAU aQ3RNVvyDCZn6JWAxuHw/LvtYOI34PRMRsdjYSm4YUTKwx9ozmLpgqQX2/KYIRbOopxu kkPA== Received: by 10.50.34.196 with SMTP id b4mr11129926igj.4.1345489877923; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.41.38 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:11:17 -0700 (PDT) References: <4a884823.2c6564.13943d48e4c.Webtop.43@charter.net> <5032378D.3000202@gmail.com> <007001cd7ee5$42ed7040$c8c850c0$@ameritech.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:11:17 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > plus having moved > their support to India. Not all of it. Maybe it goes along with the high-end or Government business support, but my support tech is in Florida. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 13:17:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FBD2D03F3 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:17:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC1A2D02EB for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:16:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so3481826iah.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tmKKJy/I/EchT5g981vky9WVLtRoqlobFXu6qexWspw=; b=vJYAYpByOAUeUaB8u2SGlZxkZpAMTzREBXpt3tM1XunDjIB3P42gwdevvLZsTNwDbr 5Uwfhzo12LU91CqKn5b8EIzVxTdP1p/GK2rw7vBgA/IYbuvFWOd8VEEFlTJtZMcrMn3h LvBdHnv47GK7ev1eMRyvImPjejrysFqZF3A3EYpfbkotc09EsXloIeCDKU/IsJ6ntPbI T6tUc0/ojNgeYgu9uYjDfd5Ike6ixggRHe4MdN1kBi+uh2v3EFjGdRBIl7A1iidl2HRb KZ2fpV6i0DJeO4cbbspPOR2DPrqFydGxf3S7z9DLPRf7BjmaZp6T6hucmJurHfNfu5Bh GNCw== Received: by 10.42.119.76 with SMTP id a12mr12047643icr.2.1345490378853; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.41.38 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <1345481876.74258.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:19:38 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Determining Space Requirements for a Storage Building Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Jorge Garcia wrote: > I know that the average car will occupy 250Sq.Ft. so 250SqFt * 25= > 6250Sq.Ft. My idea of storage is along the lines of a parking garage, where > you can have access to your vehicle without having to move the others. You need to go measure the length of the cars in question, then look at parking lots. Assuming you plan to pull in next to the wall (head-in or back-in parking), you will need enough aisle room to get each car in and out. That takes care of one dimension. Then, allow 8 or 9 feet of width for each car (more for bigger cars or trucks) and there's your other dimension. Then, calculate the height you need for the lift plus the vehicle on it. That's your height. The average LBC is maybe 16 feet long, so 16 + 16 + 20 (for the aisle) means you need a building at least 50 feet in one dimension. 12 cars on each side requires 100 feet or so. Another 1000 sf for work area, and you're right near your 6250 sf estimate. But it's not just area, but the way it's laid out that will be important. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 13:31:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2FC2D034E for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:31:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6615F2D033C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:24:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so6523617yhr.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:27:03 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=6b2LVLDJBQd2g2lduy2Al2XJUBpQ7h9gnDjpC95ri/0=; b=R/VtfldSRqTecyMvbp1t5wg6VufKwA5X3xM3MoSFv9iJ6HIjJNxcgwPMQalGv09kea Ip4uJMwdkqIY7b+P7Ekd7vn8+llhFCN2Bl1U5Iwd63YCN4AyxiH75hoeNuNU6ppuTszs uXdL2vx8JYErXi/yP0dUtGg29nHO2Dd5b96CJw2WwRPEM7XH/hER8LQwizrljekdMFlN xh6D0UaZN1FX0zdqQif1owK/qIXVTht8KCxJaSyQMrUYG2qlWM1ZaK3Iw2fVxN20XJwE WGGb+MGP4QjlrTnlajTTgigNWpzrgRzb8J6li6uVM6DhPxVHPYlGm84BwfQmZjzQGi+o rpWg== Received: by 10.236.78.3 with SMTP id f3mr22902611yhe.34.1345490823116; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.57.49] ([199.36.244.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i3sm14893407anl.0.2012.08.20.12.27.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:27:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <4a884823.2c6564.13943d48e4c.Webtop.43@charter.net> <5032378D.3000202@gmail.com> <007001cd7ee5$42ed7040$c8c850c0$@ameritech.net> From: Paul Parkanzky Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:27:00 -0700 To: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I'm friends with the IT manager at my previous employer. He always said that If you buy a Dell to get one of their business machines, because the support on that side is great while the consumer-side support is terrible. We went from XP to Windows 7 and I considered it a huge upgrade. There are a lot of little features in Win7 that I used and liked that aren't in XP (The snipping tool was very handy for the work I do). At my new employer, they're transitioning from Dell to HP and I got an HP laptop when I started. It has a couple gizmos my Dell didn't have but seems comparable enough to me. They're also still on XP, which I like much less. They're rolling Win7 out over the next couple quarters, thankfully. -Paul On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: >> plus having moved >> their support to India. > > Not all of it. Maybe it goes along with the high-end or Government > business support, but my support tech is in Florida. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 14:38:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030D42D030C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:38:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C4662C0CBC for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:38:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm32.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.248] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 20:41:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 20:41:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 68432 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2012 20:41:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345495263; bh=MvtYZnFsb7poDHEJ8shFAUZUJjxn7K9c1aca6xsDT8E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3ns+O0KlFm20NGeEDAUlCxURSrkNud8WmY87e41M3/OZlEidlT8Cd03uAsnGHArSAsn/eWJ2Ru4Zt2Y5vcPj+Xc3RHpUnky9Ds4MO/9NrhACjD1By+j1LJE5vuhT/26dDjbu+K1kapRtv4tdgTKqKQ0roysLDBLnk+3zOLOYOSg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xLpDqrTLAAFlZm9/Yk6TB4ZlBrFBWR0H49BJUSAci2aGxXOeWpbgQ8DvKqu5itqLHGiwjyD1cgv8+yIAW0+VO4Ir0CuV4wSpoQMEoXj76PE1Y99i9qwnWE4J+tX3yiIVz5AVhnldlCHX80D0xt6cfDDDwgowC+seg15CW6ARTk0=; VR8QguauKxQBTJZNL6DuBAmJKe9P0vOTgMKr83rWE19r68mV_K3Q02O1F4I2 GbKZRA.FdFrJWF_Ii4hidCAkBW63X6ACFVEjvw81Dufh79Lz5MEgW7QV5tNA bqH8iBpqsw1hM1MFQClW7YykgI_b4sygCY23MwOcLOK_nMGEoKE3SFkvhw2r LwKn7J15tp6hBxOU3I8GrTWtQNFXIkUNP56DO.MUWZWJaZZPPlgCLQr_Lt.8 DGnKludFP5PSUmhOom.yXq7Bh79SV.FiWbyAujGdgUBHl6B.VjtMPxvpSWga pbPmeSXCKwil4ZL7oa9UA62G4IHNUlTL50yUwXEHatpMN._3wnF0yU_8B9Po uGSeOw9er3QD93S.5fevJ8_l8CY4BHD4EeKJTvad10i4Alghsimuj786T0Fm Ee.yc7urVkFla7DPi7Y4tRG3irODvaYxuujNx8._0_5FHZ3aVJk.ZX.X9t_B xzMhTJygpuVGyUJYVJxN9AgtP2Av7AfEqBftUzggp0tUph6mQ37vVYY9mvFw N383OBw-- Received: from [15.203.233.85] by web161705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:41:03 PDT References: <1345481876.74258.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge Garcia To: Jeff Scarbrough , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Determining Space Requirements for a Storage Building Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff, I found a pdf document online that was very helpfull: "Pennsylvania Standards for Residential Site Development: April 2007" page 4 12. Based on their "Recommended Standards" for parking, I am looking at a building that is 60ft wide and @ 128ft long . That should accomodate all my requirements - taking building height into consideration for the lift. I don't have any heavy duty trucks or an RV to store so that is not pertinent - at the moment. The biggest obstacle with my project is not finding a place big enough. It will be finding a large place with a low rent. Best Regards Jorge ________________________________ From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Determining Space Requirements for a Storage Building On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Jorge Garcia wrote: > I know that the average car will occupy 250Sq.Ft. so 250SqFt * 25= > 6250Sq.Ft. My idea of storage is along the lines of a parking garage, where > you can have access to your vehicle without having to move the others. You need to go measure the length of the cars in question, then look at parking lots. Assuming you plan to pull in next to the wall (head-in or back-in parking), you will need enough aisle room to get each car in and out. That takes care of one dimension. Then, allow 8 or 9 feet of width for each car (more for bigger cars or trucks) and there's your other dimension. Then, calculate the height you need for the lift plus the vehicle on it. That's your height. The average LBC is maybe 16 feet long, so 16 + 16 + 20 (for the aisle) means you need a building at least 50 feet in one dimension. 12 cars on each side requires 100 feet or so. Another 1000 sf for work area, and you're right near your 6250 sf estimate. But it's not just area, but the way it's laid out that will be important. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fortee9er@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 14:54:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA972D03B9 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.95]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118CF2D01CA for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 20:56:52 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.193] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 20:56:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 20:56:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 89253 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Aug 2012 20:56:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345496212; bh=QUSJyOSx0Y3UeQ5RzTvOTWodTChsxTmcE+MJsJKIk4w=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wGp081v/BkzxvM4SGTtj2Gf+ghlVKpx+gXNayHAGpWE2A0axXO7JFF4MYLQe/hE0DSd37XQ3a+EHH0uRa16NxlBvWarxbw/9vLAMsNevCF+8+HGzCcbJ0lXFMEJjwIdDReA4diWVBeDw3wvBCNYAJp56sR/qk8Inw/yEbHzS2+Q= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CFgD46Ky3F/lg+kJMdbLmZH2kJix5TadxmA7a4S7VUjPlWN6djAdDCr15roaS/Ol7BJQA3s0DrZZpli1Pssr6e3Dlg4zTW2Cfz8hD4fdxDowerZCJAZcqpNt6cpsoj6VMCjzN2PW7K53SPFOLP5f5x9XbXdaEfSNlUG2tx+Gjuk=; 56I0rq9hpqlcjGty1e.KkwoFOOGlU2gGQidmpe5vv9GjEFKoV.4Lehg_c.4Y AZvqxy6.Ow0fal0FAb1Ygu1G89JFelZGJKUORQHbmcNylf87gMIlIpKVR5Bs bJ0RxVMKlKEfd.AOsPr_V4iTaQNjom90C2yZQcl6Fhomi9E.MfExeq1yYP2v Uy9kefm1ep2S0obpf67jK3ifADWrtN4kxxwD2DERK86ovh3WjoZPu3KsGrEz v8XZIGWPN07ns_ZE2jSrL409PguO8nEYNk_XlzAUHAESzc0HI4xB82l1P9NN dvdzFSPMijg.QyV0fA22znP3Rx1q7v_rkC.YhPw7ZXyuZ9LXbKualpW_NB5W sxECOecaxuFarw.CfzPzdogLQEL7mQ1LXbYWqCOQ6ZXvoyrXT7FxC1Ln0uRy s9EIojC.KPOlKgj6BmC5lYkm_Rb0ZDYuINTaVNiNlnLi6l3YdOxUxrPsZx6_ LVsJkjON0n0b0QAktwnddOe59pJQMDK91R5QDjsIztdc4TNUWyaKue46iIH6 eScq56Q-- Received: from [15.203.233.85] by web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:56:52 PDT References: <1345481876.74258.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1345495263.54730.YahooMailNeo@web161705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:56:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge Garcia To: Jorge Garcia , Jeff Scarbrough , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Determining Space Requirements for a Storage Building Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Here are my calculations : Length of Right Bay Length of Left Bay Aisle width Total Width Width of Bay Storage for 2 car at 90degree angle to wall with Aisle Number of cars to be stored/2 Storage Space Requirements 18 18 24 60 9.5 570 10 5700 Shop Space 750 Lift Area 500 Office 750 Total 7700 Open Floor Space 6950 Office 750 Total 7700 Building Dimensions 60 x 130 ________________________________ From: Jorge Garcia To: Jeff Scarbrough ; "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Determining Space Requirements for a Storage Building Jeff, I found a pdf document online that was very helpfull: "Pennsylvania Standards for Residential Site Development: April 2007" page 4 12. Based on their "Recommended Standards" for parking, I am looking at a building that is 60ft wide and @ 128ft long . That should accomodate all my requirements - taking building height into consideration for the lift. I don't have any heavy duty trucks or an RV to store so that is not pertinent - at the moment. The biggest obstacle with my project is not finding a place big enough. It will be finding a large place with a low rent. Best Regards Jorge ________________________________ From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Determining Space Requirements for a Storage Building On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Jorge Garcia wrote: > I know that the average car will occupy 250Sq.Ft. so 250SqFt * 25= > 6250Sq.Ft. My idea of storage is along the lines of a parking garage, where > you can have access to your vehicle without having to move the others. You need to go measure the length of the cars in question, then look at parking lots. Assuming you plan to pull in next to the wall (head-in or back-in parking), you will need enough aisle room to get each car in and out. That takes care of one dimension. Then, allow 8 or 9 feet of width for each car (more for bigger cars or trucks) and there's your other dimension. Then, calculate the height you need for the lift plus the vehicle on it. That's your height. The average LBC is maybe 16 feet long, so 16 + 16 + 20 (for the aisle) means you need a building at least 50 feet in one dimension. 12 cars on each side requires 100 feet or so. Another 1000 sf for work area, and you're right near your 6250 sf estimate. But it's not just area, but the way it's laid out that will be important. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fortee9er@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fortee9er@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 14:55:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1070C2D03D7 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.128]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D0C2D0322 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:54:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-2-208.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.2.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7KKv1Mo024645; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:57:02 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "Jorge Garcia" References: <1345481876.74258.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1345485931.71631.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:56:28 -0400 a=k4I8sWIhDocA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=p3P90DS8TgsA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:17 a=3g80flMcAAAA:8 a=Q38icN3fqRsZjmXP5xkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Cc: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Determining Space Requirements for a Storage Building Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/cps42IRMGFE Eric Russell Mebane, NC _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 15:05:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6460E2D033B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:05:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E02F2D032B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:05:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 23276 invoked by uid 3198); 20 Aug 2012 21:08:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 21:08:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:08:30 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: Jeff Scarbrough References: <1345481876.74258.YahooMailNeo@web161706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Determining Space Requirements for a Storage Building Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > The average LBC is maybe 16 feet long, so 16 + 16 + 20 (for the aisle) Sounds like this is irrelevant now, but for reference, an MGA is 13' long, and an MGB is a couple inches shorter still. A 2012 Accord is 16.25' long. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 17:58:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACB82D016E for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A35F2C0C9D for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:57:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by weys10 with SMTP id s10so5313847wey.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:00:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=aZIXXePjFDnxhZbg3q5ZMW1UdyjjhPvoRD1W9Nv/Vus=; b=lR+dPvXKwoA7fiP4W6R4TkAQny6HtvTxBcQNiBCea3K/ExcnrP3OADn4kJilnox8ni 4k71t6X4xuvfE02hAJElanOM6qwH+yJ6kWvim7sN5ke7YTGPi1E6dDzOAiea2iBbVmVB 2Odr/C6M4M4tMcI5bzVWBKJW8T9zvwhPmu6CSUhtrf87Y61Hp0rEFGyiV4y9IgrLMuPr MWfTyM38bDOZC4bFGH4YwFNaQVRoHhqWJt+ttUXd4NsO50XA5aI8ZmEFHFNAKfbIXdfg Z07OQjRhgYSWFSX6K5iAwyA3DW5O7ZdSncYQmYBRG6Tf3t4mOKhGx0K3wIYIt3k6EhzQ qXCQ== Received: by 10.216.242.204 with SMTP id i54mr8019664wer.112.1345507234326; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.217.205 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:00:34 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:00:34 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Ronnie Day Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DC to DC PS/charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Ronnie Day wrote: > Just bought a Dell 17 inch laptop and have been looking for DC power > supply/charger for it. The output of the AC supply is just over 19 volts DC > @ almost 7 amps. I realize I could use an inverter and just plug the AC > supply in to it, but that's a bulky kluge, IMO. Both the Accord and the > Suburban have good sized console bins that I could stick the circuitry in > and leave the output pigtail hanging out. > > I've be doing some online research, but haven't found any straight forward > answers yet. Have you asked dell if they supply a suitable device? -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 18:09:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596052C0D08 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm2-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 62BD22C0CCB for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 00:11:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.66] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 00:11:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 00:11:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 71268 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2012 00:11:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345507882; bh=3k3HYlNsxvc2DyIeg9T2r2lmwGlISBNEkImUDC0cLDs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=qy+rc92EptbBicIQqsR0+bdNEYtnHN4QV3FLRROHx0h0qRnq9vRCvWN9xVQ97JZKAfO8nWV0WCI0nXHCePRv62SKctImC/vjTlkVzugDNHbmyhUYcRBRF+IQ0nBxD7kMzzk3AxNGvMM3a8DTaDm41erwXEPUu9sJ6TCeuUzDJ30= ftzdv90hnKFCBuz.AFjLjsI5u2XZruhP7nNENgV6tEn44mgvzLUMIQwk5Vbl 0srM.fRUpkzDjS8LEYIio0Uko1rryVykKQGBb5PXaQlwBJzyzPIFYf3RxFqy 0w9s0dqLUiulPxnbmYi998A9pvpLmE1n1F1PpHhhKsvdgdcn_fsERZXQ0iyq oE2Nko2LdQVV1lOwMmqwnPyYd011Ke2uU.ewoCBGPe1s9TiIDc68XjX2gi3w RMxMrhpeO6PiJX6p2loQRjB8CExhZUg9QDYriy6gogVq0_gd1P.rjK17WUgQ XJePhEqB24hq7JxqcPZmLkZXswkG5lpPHQp7HJDFUVhsl15nKRrFBGVIwpgc LHpuDt0dnEQTfZlZuE_RR0T5ln97LmkafCC5Wp_ATT8uinsGi04JSSmJRFG9 bfyHAZyPCfKTLyV_kcQqnrqzeLEmTkLA7Pwt2hNGwUQdNyuL.bKs9tKEf.eX GXDeycLoNKCtV9Yz6p6K0Gm7JHsMb6MaCvRc5vUUwcg-- Received: from [192.168.1.67] (shochschild@108.95.144.138 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 17:11:22 -0700 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:11:24 -0500 From: steve hochschild User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DC to DC PS/charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net There is a business here in Austin that sells Dell equipment that is coming off of lease. I have no connection to it other than being a highly satisfied customer. They are called Discount Electronics, and I bet that they have the power supply you are looking for, as well as a huge pile of refurbed 3 year old Dell PCs, laptops, and a ton of printers. Highly recommended... Discount Electronics - Dell Computers $79 Laptops $199 www.discountelectronics.com/ - 942 seller reviews All Include 1 Year Local Warranty 1011 W Anderson Ln, Austin, TX 78757 - (512) 983-9989 On 8/20/2012 7:00 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Ronnie Day wrote: >> Just bought a Dell 17 inch laptop and have been looking for DC power >> supply/charger for it. The output of the AC supply is just over 19 volts DC >> @ almost 7 amps. I realize I could use an inverter and just plug the AC >> supply in to it, but that's a bulky kluge, IMO. Both the Accord and the >> Suburban have good sized console bins that I could stick the circuitry in >> and leave the output pigtail hanging out. >> >> I've be doing some online research, but haven't found any straight forward >> answers yet. > Have you asked dell if they supply a suitable device? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 18:11:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF7A2D02D1 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7962C071C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by wibhm6 with SMTP id hm6so3378822wib.2 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:14:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TlfX5qHFOBiHd7dqAQGwkb+Tfd4t8nL5HTccKP2VtdQ=; b=rv++cT6p2wqhg6yq1vDD1K20R6QEHdHD9RE2g+ZNZft91qO0Qj/4QP9Xx5zuCqwhvW wKem56pbdGXrFvSZ7xn9zkzjB7ltJGgBUqePT4WzwJTesCkLHsGG/cTbdA/W4GdmXObP 2Tts4mbDl4p6sp3MGsb3Lp1Yls+y/dsQSJNagEdG7rFfn3NM5lkys3ijVk/EPGPegpEK xZMEIjo2aUI4QPw0cuq3J2DxM7FoGsaaw3uDwMnSZeoWO4WJZVafRO2kMW3o/8IVug7k UWoKJ9uXl7+ZQo+ERkP6kNVkMUG9JrDOXOMWGEHfiEvUug5xLKWzNO6wfFsk8tsz3hqv UyjQ== Received: by 10.180.105.130 with SMTP id gm2mr31655104wib.6.1345508060094; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.217.205 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:14:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <1345479790.16818.0@servo.ucsd.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:14:19 -0500 From: David Scheidt To: Marcus Pless Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Marcus Pless wrote: > As another data point, my department at a large SoCal University > purchases several hundred new PCs every year for use in computer > labs, and we've done this for years. We've purchased Dells for > at least the last 9 out of 10 years (last summer HP wanted our > business badly enough that they undercut Dell's pricing so we > went with HP). The HPs are nice machines, but the only real problem > we've ever had with the Dells was when the entire industry was > dealing with the "bad caps" plague. Dell's handling of that was enough to make sure I never buy one. They replaced defective system boards with boards they repaired -- knowingly!-- with defective caps. And then refused to replace them when the replaced caps died. -- David Scheidt dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 18:24:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171BA2D034A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202F32D020F for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120821002354.UDGY10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:23:54 -0400 Received: from wt04 ([209.225.8.44]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id pCPu1j0020x0GZM05CPuZS; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:23:54 -0400 cv=qU9vTENroOq2s6i9/sTxZt9WOCoWX/XGfIT3Tj8F8dQ= c=1 sm=1 a=cMgGpCxuRLEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=YN6wS-HO-bwA:10 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:17 a=LTJHKq7eUlioNi5CqLQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=BDqU1A0raY1LI60z6cMA:9 a=fHVA179dEGpEgdNINGGwaw==:117 Received: from [75.134.19.20] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:23:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:23:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] alt or battery? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net 01 Toyota w 3 liter v6. Car wouldn't start when the boss got off work. Jump by tow truck got it going and she drove it home about an hour. During drive home dash lights were flickering. Battery terminals were cruddy big time. I cleaned them up. (They are still the crappy toyota strap kind.) Window light on battery is still faintly green. I do not remember how old the battery is. I cannot get it to jump start with my charger/starter but have never been able to get this thing to jump start a car. Charger is showing a full charge but the little green light is flickering. I have never seen that before and have charged several batteries. Battery was showing over 13 volts when car was running when she got home. I could not get a reading off the alt as the connections are all covered. Help! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 18:45:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597DF2D03A5 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936872D0322 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:45:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so3704721iah.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:48:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lyKN/gvQWLm6G7PWxCB9lV6bMu33NUYlO0ndewbJeC4=; b=hgZ0sIvPLrwOzLoYVTUZ5xqCe6fJj2TUZF4nuIAxRE1dXhZsOdmFHTXf9DG+SX4lc/ GHe/AzEzeZjyT9RWqKksU5lvgYbSyABB4RQN5z5z6gdu1pwMAakTUJyJ+/YLuCf2hia2 pgPJ63gxG0QRyqTBaFIe8tTG7fofBk6/v0Hzge1lrp617IsK06fVElUL1NCDNIh8MZ9a hGI5Segw6UGAKWR39VHfNokhr32LUUUkBenLECcs0UmJLA/nbQFdaxSb2OJcw4m55BZY wSSPNmWUozr2dlMWYcOz4MjqhZ8F7DLLoeWFMtSdmpAqRQ3V3Q2KOkkpO97GhR0PONap JQJw== Received: by 10.50.156.196 with SMTP id wg4mr11756567igb.54.1345510100233; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.41.38 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:48:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <6c6ac0bb.236471.13946906dad.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:48:19 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alt or battery? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Tim wrote: > Battery was showing over 13 volts when car was running when she got > home. It should read the same at the alternator. The proper way to test is to fully charge the battery (disconnected from the car), and then load test it. You could also fully charge it and turn the headlights on, then try to start the car. Do this while measuring the voltage at the battery terminals. Less than 10V, plan on a new battery. Most of the big chain FLAPS will test your battery and alternator when they sell you a new one - but the key is fully charged. If the battery is run down, it's not a fair test. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 18:57:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BED2D0376 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D682D032B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7L0xvdn029282 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:59:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:59:47 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <4a884823.2c6564.13943d48e4c.Webtop.43@charter.net> <5032378D.3000202@gmail.com> <007001cd7ee5$42ed7040$c8c850c0$@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, surprised to hear so much animosity towards Dell. Sorry if I gave bad advice; but I've only had good experience with them. Guess I need to give Win 7 more of a test drive (oh shoot, 8 is out now or soon,) It was doggy slow when I used it, but that was on a little HP netbook and another laptop, neither of which were high end to begin with. I do still like Win XP, and have boxes running it that stay up for months between reboots. Killing the unneeded services and other tweaks make it run excellently for me. Tho' I do use Linux to backup and load it... hmm. -w On 8/20/2012 11:05 AM, Karl Vacek wrote: > Amen on both avoiding Dell and kudos to Lenovo. Dell USED to be great, but > they've cheapened beyond acceptability in random areas, plus having moved > their support to India. Unfortunately, HP cheapened their stuff beyond > acceptability long ago too, and like Dell, so much is proprietary. > > I was given a year-old Lenovo ThinkPad a few years ago - it's a well-built > unit, and once I maxed out the RAM to 4 GB, put in a fast 500GB HDD, and > Win7 Pro, it still flies. Unlike Wayne, I really like Win7, though I > skipped over Vista. I've installed it on quite a few clients' older XP > machines, most with RAM upgrades (though as noted DDR2 is expensive) and a > new HDD for insurance, and even with minimal RAM (1-2 GB) it runs much > faster with none of XP's blue screens of death or "what the heck is it > doing" stalls. > > Karl _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 19:02:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FE52D0365 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301C02D033B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5C82E0B2 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:08:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:05:13 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: 'shop-talk List' References: <4a884823.2c6564.13943d48e4c.Webtop.43@charter.net> <5032378D.3000202@gmail.com> <007001cd7ee5$42ed7040$c8c850c0$@ameritech.net> <5032DD83.7030606@xxiii.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New PC (was Dead PC) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Just for your info, the Team.Net mail server is a Dell PowerEdge SC1430, running Fedora 15. Hopefully it will keep on running for many years. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 21:20:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A052D0395 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:20:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5002C2D02CD for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:20:08 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=c9l30sIL4cMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Fwmm-_IwCPUA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=rk0c5rlYk8IuPT52x1QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id DA/83-28917-90FF2305; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:22:49 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Tim'" , "'Shop Talk'" References: <6c6ac0bb.236471.13946906dad.Webtop.44@charter.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:22:49 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac1/M7uJ4Cw4r5WpQjWM0gaD4rak+AAGCY8g Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alt or battery? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Battery was showing over 13 volts when car was running when she got > home. I could not get a reading off the alt as the > connections are all > covered. Over 13 volts but won't start likely means a bad battery. Could be bad connection or bad starter, but the battery is most likely IMO. If they have O'Reillys in your area and can limp it over there, they will test both battery and alternator for free. My experience has been that they are honest about the test, and don't try to pressure you into buying from them even if the test shows a problem (unlike some of the other stores around here). Pick up some battery clamps while you're there. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 23:03:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6994D2D037E for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F132D02EE for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:00:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.130] ([::ffff:10.1.2.130]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with esmtp; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:02:53 -0700 id 00000000003813B2.000000005033167D.000027CF Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:02:51 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> <50324387.7060107@hornesystemstx.com> <503278D1.9000401@landform.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I was looking at the set as a tester for various jobs as well as the > tree roots. Since the Sawzall type saw is not much used on this side of > the pond it's a case of finding out what it can do. They're mostly seen > on TV shows like "Scrapheap Challenge". I'm trying to come up with an appropriate sexual analogy for the throbbing energy of the reciprocating saw... Seriously, though...whether you're hacking old shock brackets off a car frame, doing a little manipulation of wall framing, any sort of rigid plastic or metal piping except cast iron, it's hard to imagine life without one. A battery Sawzall (with two, maybe three if they're unbranded eBay Chinese, batteries) will take a complete IRS assembly out of a pull-it-yerself junkyard old-style Jag XJ in 20 minutes. Cut the exhaust pipes, the driveshaft, cut above the trailing-arm mounts horizontally along the bottom of the floorpan (don't bother unbolting them, they're invariably rusted onto the pan and the bushing's trashed anyway), then cut the four cage mounts. Plop, it falls to the ground. Now cut the parking brake cables and hoses, drag it out and go. BTW, if you're foolish enough to listen to me, it's CRITICAL that you finish the undercar work BEFORE cutting loose the trailing arms, and you should in any case try to avoid EVER being directly under the IRS assembly. Most of the time 1-3 of the cage mounts are broken anyway, and...well, if it drops you may well depart this mortal existence in a fashion too embarrassing for your descendants to explain, and without even a Nelson Rockefellerish dose of snickering prurience. > Karl mentioned the Dewalt blades so I'll probably look at them too, in > the 8 and 12 inch lengths you recommend. The yellow DeWalt 6 and 8in 14tpi blades are good general-purpose blades. There's other brands that've worked well for me e.g. Blu-Mol. There are specialty blades from other mfrs that suit specific purposes well. I wish I'd had a couple of the Milwaukee 'Torch' blades when cutting up that well-tinwormed Mk1 Cortina parts car into scrap-bin-sized chunks a little while back... John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 23:06:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53822D047B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:06:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4D42C0D4E for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:05:57 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GSFxw1CVuzZyuE+8t++O5eat+5wCgQs/zSjIAaBPNVXqP+b2wdc8euRMZBviFu1r; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.129.209.210] (helo=[192.168.1.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1T3ghY-0002Tg-MN; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:08:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:08:08 -0700 From: Brian Kemp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: nick brearley References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Nick, I have on old pruning saw that is set aside for roots, which may be an affordable option if you just have a little cutting and don't have the Sawzall type saw already. As another option, I used my rotary hammer in hammer mode with a chisel blade. We had a large tree fall down and rip out a retaining wall. There was a cluster of roots remaining where the new wall needed to go. The roots were intertwined and full of rocks. I tried a hatchet and pruning saw, but wore out my arm and chipped off the corner of the hatchet. I wanted minimal dirt disruption to avoid settling of the replacement wall, so didn't want to make a big hole trying to dig out the roots. I wore heavy leather gloves and used one hand to guide the chisel. http://www.harborfreight.com/3-in-1-1-inch-sds-rotary-hammer-97743.html and http://www.harborfreight.com/2-piece-sds-masonry-flat-chisel-set-42651.html $49 for the drill and $10 for the bits on sale. It isn't necessarily efficient and it might have been quicker and easier to go with some of the blades mentioned in a Sawzall, but I didn't think about that. I throw this out to the list as another choice and use for a fun tool. I love the rotary hammer. Wear hearing protection though as it is loud. The only thing I use my regular hammer drill for now is precision stuff with small bits. Brian On 8/20/2012 1:50 AM, nick brearley wrote: > Got to remove a tree growing beside the shop and I've been wondering > about using a Sawzall type saw for cutting the roots. Getting tired of > swinging an axe in close quarters. > > Looking on ebay I came across these http://tinyurl.com/8fcvykz and > wondered if anyone had experience in using these, or similar, for this > type of job. > > Any suggestions gratefully received. > > Nick Brearley > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 23:24:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0860A2D03B9 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail.milleredp.com (fw.milleredp.com [198.144.208.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AA72D0197 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.1.2.130] ([::ffff:10.1.2.130]) (AUTH: PLAIN jem, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by mail.milleredp.com with esmtp; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:26:44 -0700 id 00000000003813B2.0000000050331C14.0000286D Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:26:43 -0700 From: John Miller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> <503317B8.2080706@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > http://www.harborfreight.com/3-in-1-1-inch-sds-rotary-hammer-97743.html > and > http://www.harborfreight.com/2-piece-sds-masonry-flat-chisel-set-42651.html > > $49 for the drill and $10 for the bits on sale. > > It isn't necessarily efficient and it might have been quicker and easier > to go with some of the blades mentioned in a Sawzall, but I didn't think > about that. I throw this out to the list as another choice and use for > a fun tool. > > I love the rotary hammer. Wear hearing protection though as it is > loud. The only thing I use my regular hammer drill for now is precision > stuff with small bits. You got it for $49? Score! Seriously, on the tool-quality scale it's a pretty rude piece. The Makitas that Home Depot rents are a much, much nicer product, smoother, shock-damping handle, fewer knobs to twiddle to change settings, and just a more balanced feel. But...those Makitas are something over $300 new, or close to $50 a day to rent, and I've never found one used at a price I'd pay. So after renting those things for probably a total of two weeks over a four-year period I bought the Harbor Freight cheapie. And it works. As I said, not as well as the Makita, but it works. A couple days ago I put a 1in hole for a piece of plastic conduit through the back of our brick outdoor kitchen island. I no longer have to plan ahead when I want to put in anchor bolts for some fencing or gates, to ensure I can do them all in one four-hour rental. I have a few of those not-very-good-but-great-for-occasional-use HF tools, like this thing: http://www.harborfreight.com/compact-2-speed-1-2-half-inch-right-angle-drill-97622.html Bought it when we were remodeling the house back in '03 and needed to put a whole lotta holes in studs, plates and fireblocking for gas, water, and drain pipe. When I got it, it sounded like it was eating itself. I opened it and cleaned out the rendered goose fat or whatever their supplier greases the gears with and refilled it with Redline axle grease; it sounded a bit better. Ran it hours and hours a day for three straight weeks and it far more than paid for itself; still use it occasionally. John. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 20 23:35:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF39C2D033B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:35:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850162D02EE for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:35:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so3917541iah.14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:13 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=n5MANoT5LuLIUwR9VQFHKDk13b7e+22GVQtUFaZSQTs=; b=zZ2NxUitIB4RZ8klumV8X7iRibzOXruv7toWw2zrPQfgQiDDMrbpBeaZaY0dm9SkU8 4xNyWBpIdu9Xb5sBSmt6Qzp32R0R7T1kcfg7EijnW4qn/OOr5oPZywPdNusWULcroEGZ eLN+0IUpFPIpUeAugnpYFr7ioZkCYGnK/FGoAc805WevP7kjS/hvmVPcriTWss9jWHr/ 2lro3SBbKs3qoYkDptmtR62owg920AJah9OORDGm3fQyzYPCOZOqYge08QObPJFzaxcm hrz8GiQQy8AGGKe9qmOAGn29kuIHuR1TdV0FEUSsswWYHG7lG1pnKCSeXF3/jWjwcufn 0pRw== Received: by 10.50.85.230 with SMTP id k6mr12056592igz.49.1345527493262; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (99-145-60-183.lightspeed.chcgil.sbcglobal.net. [99.145.60.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k6sm14969289igz.9.2012.08.20.22.38.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:12 -0700 (PDT) References: <2a5d9d61.236a21.13946a3ad1e.Webtop.44@charter.net> From: David Scheidt Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:38:10 -0500 To: Tim Cc: shop-talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alt or battery? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Rapid clicks is usually a dead battery. What happens is there's enough voltage to close the starter relay, but not enough current to turn it. Voltage falls below what's required to close the relay so it opens. With no load, battery voltage goes up enough to close the terminal again. Rinse, lather, repeat. Given the other symptoms, I think the battery is worn out. Get a new one, and cables, or at least new ends. Then test, or have Tested, the alternato. On Aug 20, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Tim wrote: > BAttery reading was while running before cleaning terminals. I cannot get it running again to check the stuff you asked about. With the charger reading full charge (and flickering green light) turning the key just gives rapid clicks like I've heard when a battery is dead. > > > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:41 PM, David Scheidt wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Tim wrote: >>> 01 Toyota w 3 liter v6. >>> >>> Car wouldn't start when the boss got off work. Jump by tow truck got it >>> going and she drove it home about an hour. During drive home dash lights >>> were flickering. >>> >>> Battery terminals were cruddy big time. I cleaned them up. (They are >>> still the crappy toyota strap kind.) Window light on battery is still >>> faintly green. I do not remember how old the battery is. >>> >>> I cannot get it to jump start with my charger/starter but have never >>> been able to get this thing to jump start a car. >>> >>> Charger is showing a full charge but the little green light is >>> flickering. I have never seen that before and have charged several >>> batteries. >> >> What's the open circuit voltage? What's the voltage do when your turn >> the high beams on? What's it do when you hit the starter? >> >> I don't know what kind of charger you have, but assuming it's the >> basic sort, the flickering light might be a sign of a bad cell. >> >>> >>> Battery was showing over 13 volts when car was running when she got >>> home. I could not get a reading off the alt as the connections are all >>> covered. >>> >> >> That seems low. was that before or after cleaning the battery terminal? >> >> Don't forget, it can be both the alternator and the battery. (A >> failing one can kill the other....) >> >> >> >> >>> Help! >>> >>> tim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmscheidt@gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> David Scheidt >> dmscheidt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 01:56:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DDB2D039A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mk-outboundfilter-5-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-5-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405952D034E for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:56:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 88-104-31-54.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([88.104.31.54]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2012 08:58:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:58:45 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: John Miller References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> <50324387.7060107@hornesystemstx.com> <503278D1.9000401@landform.co.uk> <5033167B.9010403@milleredp.com> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net John Miller wrote: >> I was looking at the set as a tester for various jobs as well as the >> tree roots. Since the Sawzall type saw is not much used on this side of >> the pond it's a case of finding out what it can do. They're mostly seen >> on TV shows like "Scrapheap Challenge". > > I'm trying to come up with an appropriate sexual analogy for the > throbbing energy of the reciprocating saw... > I see where you're coming from... For me the ultimate tool is the Stihl cut-off saw, just the right combination of size, noise and sparks. > I wish I'd had a couple of the Milwaukee 'Torch' blades when cutting > up that well-tinwormed Mk1 Cortina parts car into scrap-bin-sized > chunks a little while back... > A nailfile should deal with Cortina parts by now! Nick _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 02:00:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA05F2D035E for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mk-outboundfilter-5-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-5-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551FE2D032C for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 88-104-31-54.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([88.104.31.54]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2012 09:03:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:03:09 +0100 From: nick brearley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: Brian Kemp References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> <503317B8.2080706@earthlink.net> Cc: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Brian Kemp wrote: > Nick, > > I have on old pruning saw that is set aside for roots, which may be an > affordable option if you just have a little cutting and don't have the > Sawzall type saw already. > > As another option, I used my rotary hammer in hammer mode with a > chisel blade. > Thank you Brian. You've just given me an excuse to buy another tool... Seriously though that's a good suggestion. I do have an SDS drill smaller than the one in your link but it does have stopmotion. I'll give it a try to see how it goes. Given a sharp chisel it should be good since it can be focussed as you describe. Nick _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 05:35:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38DA2D039A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:35:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA5A2D02D9 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120821113728.FSE10143.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:37:28 -0400 Received: from wt06 ([209.225.8.46]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id pPdU1j0020zbdDt05PdUFc; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:37:28 -0400 cv=qU9vTENroOq2s6i9/sTxZt9WOCoWX/XGfIT3Tj8F8dQ= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=c9l30sIL4cMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=Fwmm-_IwCPUA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=a7-qWvlOdmjH_PO2wSEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:37:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:37:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alt or battery? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net bThe key is fully charged. If the battery is run down, it's not a fair test.b Any idea why the green bfully charge lightb is flickering when attached to the battery and plugged in? bPick up some battery clamps while you're there.b Have set somewhere in the shop; time to either clean off a bench or buy another set. "Test both battery and alternator for freeb. I guess I will be pulling the alternator to get it tested. (pulling battery is easy, alt a little less so. bRapid clicks is usually a dead battery. Given the other symptoms, I think the battery is worn out. Get a new one, and cables, or at least new ends. Then test, or have Tested, the alternator.b So it must be possible then for a battery beyeb to be green and the battery still worn out? I will start with a new battery. I can pull the alt but it would be a long process for me as I have to take my time and not be hamfisted. Thanks all! tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 06:06:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD772D03F3 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:06:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 615562C0B16 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 20728 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2012 12:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (12.162.141.2) by smtpauth11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.33) with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2012 12:08:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:07:50 -0500 From: Pat Horne Organization: Horne Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5032D22C.2080708@att.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DC to DC PS/charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Steve, I've bought machines and parts from Discount Electronics over the years also. Haven't had a bad experience yet. Peace, Pat Thusly spake steve hochschild, On 8/20/2012 7:11 PM: > There is a business here in Austin that sells Dell equipment that is > coming off of lease. I have no connection to it other than being a > highly satisfied customer. They are called Discount Electronics, and I > bet that they have the power supply you are looking for, as well as a > huge pile of refurbed 3 year old Dell PCs, laptops, and a ton of > printers. Highly recommended... > > > Discount Electronics - Dell Computers $79 Laptops $199 > > www.discountelectronics.com/ - 942 seller reviews > All Include 1 Year Local Warranty > 1011 W Anderson Ln, Austin, TX 78757 - (512) 983-9989 > > > > On 8/20/2012 7:00 PM, David Scheidt wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Ronnie Day wrote: >>> Just bought a Dell 17 inch laptop and have been looking for DC power >>> supply/charger for it. The output of the AC supply is just over 19 volts DC >>> @ almost 7 amps. I realize I could use an inverter and just plug the AC >>> supply in to it, but that's a bulky kluge, IMO. Both the Accord and the >>> Suburban have good sized console bins that I could stick the circuitry in >>> and leave the output pigtail hanging out. >>> >>> I've be doing some online research, but haven't found any straight forward >>> answers yet. >> Have you asked dell if they supply a suitable device? > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 06:17:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C153E2D03E3 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E57F2C0D42 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([12.162.141.2]) by m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id pQJN1j00D03JK1Y01QJPDJ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:18:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:17:51 -0500 From: Pat Horne Organization: Horne Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> <50324387.7060107@hornesystemstx.com> <503278D1.9000401@landform.co.uk> <5033167B.9010403@milleredp.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net An additional point for tree cutting. The blades I use for this work are variable spacing tooth blades. They vary from 2 to 4 per inch, not something you want to use on thin stock. Yes that is very coarse, but they cut thick wood very fast, though ugly. Peace, Pat Thusly spake John Miller, On 8/21/2012 12:02 AM: >> I was looking at the set as a tester for various jobs as well as the >> tree roots. Since the Sawzall type saw is not much used on this side of >> the pond it's a case of finding out what it can do. They're mostly seen >> on TV shows like "Scrapheap Challenge". > > I'm trying to come up with an appropriate sexual analogy for the > throbbing energy of the reciprocating saw... > > Seriously, though...whether you're hacking old shock brackets off a > car frame, doing a little manipulation of wall framing, any sort of > rigid plastic or metal piping except cast iron, it's hard to imagine > life without one. > > A battery Sawzall (with two, maybe three if they're unbranded eBay > Chinese, batteries) will take a complete IRS assembly out of a > pull-it-yerself junkyard old-style Jag XJ in 20 minutes. Cut the > exhaust pipes, the driveshaft, cut above the trailing-arm mounts > horizontally along the bottom of the floorpan (don't bother unbolting > them, they're invariably rusted onto the pan and the bushing's trashed > anyway), then cut the four cage mounts. Plop, it falls to the ground. > Now cut the parking brake cables and hoses, drag it out and go. > > BTW, if you're foolish enough to listen to me, it's CRITICAL that you > finish the undercar work BEFORE cutting loose the trailing arms, and > you should in any case try to avoid EVER being directly under the IRS > assembly. Most of the time 1-3 of the cage mounts are broken anyway, > and...well, if it drops you may well depart this mortal existence in a > fashion too embarrassing for your descendants to explain, and without > even a Nelson Rockefellerish dose of snickering prurience. > >> Karl mentioned the Dewalt blades so I'll probably look at them too, in >> the 8 and 12 inch lengths you recommend. > > The yellow DeWalt 6 and 8in 14tpi blades are good general-purpose > blades. There's other brands that've worked well for me e.g. Blu-Mol. > There are specialty blades from other mfrs that suit specific purposes > well. I wish I'd had a couple of the Milwaukee 'Torch' blades when > cutting up that well-tinwormed Mk1 Cortina parts car into > scrap-bin-sized chunks a little while back... > > John. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 06:20:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8472D038A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9817B2C0A3D for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:19:18 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=c9l30sIL4cMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Fwmm-_IwCPUA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=HMYUKshydDqJGmNi4lIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 8C/E9-28917-76D73305; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:22:00 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Tim'" , "'Shop Talk'" References: <248fc3f0.2d6709.13948f918fe.Webtop.46@charter.net> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:22:00 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac1/kWetTRWwwhsxS4G/vgKaRavurQABBBQQ Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alt or battery? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > Any idea why the green bfully charge lightb is flickering > when attached > to the battery and plugged in? I'm guessing the battery voltage goes high enough under charge to indicate the battery is fully charged, so the LED turns on. Then as soon as the charge current is removed, the voltage drops again and the LED goes out. > "Test both battery and alternator for freeb. I guess I will > be pulling > the alternator to get it tested. Just in case I was not clear before, O'Reillys will test either on or off the car. They didn't bat an eye even when I drove my 56 TR3 over there. Their tester was also able to correctly determine that a battery was bad, even though it showed a 70% state of charge. > So it must be possible then for a battery beyeb to be green and the > battery still worn out? Yes, definitely possible. The eye only indicates state of charge, not whether the battery can deliver enough current to start the engine. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 06:34:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179902D017F for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993F22C0BF6 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:25:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120821122821.BAUG10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09>; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:28:21 -0400 Received: from wt06 ([209.225.8.46]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id pQUM1j00B0zbdDt05QUMm0; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:28:21 -0400 cv=nlrKf9u5uG3fs/vD0VBbL3/xzyN25p4t1WHsSeqasGo= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=c9l30sIL4cMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=Fwmm-_IwCPUA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=QC47X4cGMHddlpPk6NkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:28:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:28:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Randall User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: 'Shop Talk' Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alt or battery? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Unfortunately there is no FLAPS in the little town I live in and I cannot currently get the car running to take it to OReilly. I will put a new battery in it this afternoon then take it to OReilly tomorrow. Thanks! tim On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Randall wrote: >> Any idea why the green bfully charge lightb is flickering when >> attached >> to the battery and plugged in? > > I'm guessing the battery voltage goes high enough under charge to > indicate > the battery is fully charged, so the LED turns on. Then as soon as > the > charge current is removed, the voltage drops again and the LED goes > out. > >> "Test both battery and alternator for freeb. I guess I will be >> pulling >> the alternator to get it tested. > > Just in case I was not clear before, O'Reillys will test either on or > off > the car. They didn't bat an eye even when I drove my 56 TR3 over > there. > Their tester was also able to correctly determine that a battery was > bad, > even though it showed a 70% state of charge. > >> So it must be possible then for a battery beyeb to be green and the >> battery still worn out? > > Yes, definitely possible. The eye only indicates state of charge, not > whether the battery can deliver enough current to start the engine. > > -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 06:34:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D622D02C7 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.119]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87DE2C0BF6 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC ([99.194.2.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7LCTst2023890; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:29:56 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "John Miller" , References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk><50324387.7060107@hornesystemstx.com><503278D1.9000401@landform.co.uk> <5033167B.9010403@milleredp.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:29:25 -0400 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=P_grQCu1cUQA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:17 a=Ojocn2TjAAAA:8 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=TiPSbQP1M4vKoOMuC5QA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=8kFsaLc9TUUA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I'm trying to come up with an appropriate sexual analogy for the > throbbing energy of the reciprocating saw... *NSFW* http://www.stockroom.com/Fuck-Saw-P2931.aspx Eric Russell Mebane, NC http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 06:34:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040F82D0489 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:34:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9788B2D020F for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:30:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([12.162.141.2]) by m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id pQYv1j00503JK1Y01QYvyx; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:32:56 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:32:22 -0500 From: Pat Horne Organization: Horne Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <248fc3f0.2d6709.13948f918fe.Webtop.46@charter.net> <008e01cd7f97$9128eca0$0601a8c0@randall> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alt or battery? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I thought he was talking about the green light on some batteries. This is just a plastic rod with a cone milled on the end that will be green when the battery water is low. I could be mistaken though. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Randall, On 8/21/2012 7:22 AM: > >> So it must be possible then for a battery beyeb to be green and the >> battery still worn out? > Yes, definitely possible. The eye only indicates state of charge, not > whether the battery can deliver enough current to start the engine. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 06:51:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B812D03B9 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87462D028B for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120821125328.BNMJ10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11>; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:53:28 -0400 Received: from wt06 ([209.225.8.46]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id pQtU1j0020zbdDt05QtU4T; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:53:28 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=c9l30sIL4cMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=Fwmm-_IwCPUA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=gDYfkkqnAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=pjb776ackUbYiNtMANQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=tjy9NOTfCScA:10 a=5lqCTeepr34A:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=yyOqXdtkbKAA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:53:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:53:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: pat@hornesystemstx.com User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alt or battery? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a water level and charge indicator: green is charged, black is low or discharged and clear is low water. tim On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Pat Horne wrote: > I thought he was talking about the green light on some batteries. This > is just a plastic rod with a cone milled on the end that will be green > when the battery water is low. I could be mistaken though. > > Peace, > Pat > > > Thusly spake Randall, On 8/21/2012 7:22 AM: >> >>> So it must be possible then for a battery beyeb to be green and the >>> battery still worn out? >> Yes, definitely possible. The eye only indicates state of charge, >> not >> whether the battery can deliver enough current to start the engine. >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com >> >> >> > > -- > Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems > (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 > Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 > www.hornesystemstx.com > -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 09:44:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1C42D03F3 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E8F852D01FE for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 15:46:42 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 15:46:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2012 15:46:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345564002; bh=tO8RUQWgyWf2Xe8N6C3DAHJu3qbsHgkva6OPlfJ5HOc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=M9QPROoP3ofNmT9yQguhL0bUviogYWs0w8SvOghNW7BNJZKYVls0/Bvtb5JCoqMO2CcJK13KyFGI1thSGJfeyWtnxf0zvERY68qTr3ny6YpegDaRxbbKpkIw6MymUe3dlcfKZnzfFjmllQs8efcAWrMFhyj2/iycWcGfD5VJUcw= p8f6S_G9Oa_KkEH6543Xym.OeAn0RtD9.aLYSHaVL3TET6wMgg4SDrcag6vP 9VNXhms0HGovi.JmTj8lIHNx9bu.27iz6se6zFNGSXoVbfby_mITNYLTOaCO SXb8R5Qx1BDCgSiemZz7kjrxRQJ4vYYKdNd1CVQXS0DK7IqazohKaCHAFk6H VMxGKTyc2fDmZ3.VeWvSIpaJMbXmz1U6wvSeOdu4pxFqJSVavcqNBNDZX3r2 kCDwBY.zrwym7OH3Hf5h9AjB_3c086w9as6ONfMV_iFsIZj5EwonsmHguujk aR5KqhMUzqRq1Zf.CU3YNWg4bkgCf_1wiOof85ir28LkFCd0ZzirpNdrjGvQ 4lEhOt1lzoVRVpAnFG9U61E5haWZHAItx.3X3_pZNA1oSggOd9JqzyrLdlPf zlV3QY9q2Bd1GZhniwqS7eOJbZQV7xII- Received: from Karl (kvacek@99.140.172.86 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2012 08:46:42 -0700 PDT From: "Karl Vacek" To: "'Tim'" , References: <37df1d0b.2d750b.139493ead7c.Webtop.46@charter.net> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:46:33 -0500 Thread-Index: AQHQ4Vb1157+naTsMRQDxdRtae5YWpddhv7w Content-Language: en-us Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alt or battery? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That's the old Delco Eye. It's basically a hydrometer. I've never seen a truly bad battery where the eye was green, though a good battery might not have a green eye. I assume it's a malfunction in the hydrometer - maybe the float sticking? I suppose it could stick in the "good" position, but I've never seen one do that. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Tim Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alt or battery? This is a water level and charge indicator: green is charged, black is low or discharged and clear is low water. tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 10:38:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DE32D0467 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:38:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com (mail-ob0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D552D03D6 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:33:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obbwc18 with SMTP id wc18so12883016obb.29 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:36:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0fJXdQoQu/gVvAtUDfkNkm6bRlFgKrh207qoXEKMxco=; b=UD+dcih+lPrA7rSy20oC4tL9chKcTxyx1oyvhIOhbPHPngAc5gkEhh2wvt3tmjeaXw VZfRR8WwhxKXxE80j3xhfypIGTOxykJMRup5aiiso6cbiCy2q0EBHGXrOfa5QMcLEf1A GLzxeRhp1fXMt7w469Zxf6zHRB/Drd0obh9QWPALW1vANoMP1wrXwD5WBwyS2Cj8kA/a MfU2XL3aXKiKniRcSKrbVWk3x39xHkgCEO9QRAPkYC+UOzQIITK1v9UVf0CKA/ibpElm WN1BuJqTJK16hyjIZzwjtSB5/rTGKHO0FuSx9UB/x4Km81545vcBz39VZM4Y+Fxb79Dx GT+Q== Received: by 10.182.43.40 with SMTP id t8mr13546046obl.93.1345566966410; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.49.201 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:36:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <5032D22C.2080708@att.net> <50337A16.8030104@hornesystemstx.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:36:06 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] DC to DC PS/charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net While I could build a DC to DC rig to do what I want, it's far easier and cheaper just to use an inverter in the vehicles. Steve, I appreciate you mentioning Discount. They have the AC supply for $50 and I'm getting ready to order one in a few minutes. Ron > There is a business here in Austin that sells Dell equipment that is >> coming off of lease. I have no connection to it other than being a >> highly satisfied customer. They are called Discount Electronics, and I >> bet that they have the power supply you are looking for, as well as a >> huge pile of refurbed 3 year old Dell PCs, laptops, and a ton of >> printers. Highly recommended... _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 11:25:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203AB2D03B5 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBBF2D0323 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by out01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2012 17:22:52 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (50-47-144-109.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net [50.47.144.109]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8910C17CE5; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:22:52 -0700 From: Dave C User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: John Miller References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> <503317B8.2080706@earthlink.net> <50331C13.30208@milleredp.com> Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I got one of those years ago for probably less than that. It lives at school most of the time because the high school is mostly concrete (think prison construction with less stainless steel) and someone always wants to hang a poster or white board on a cast in place concrete wall. Shop teachers get all the fun jobs. On 8/20/2012 10:26 PM, John Miller wrote: >> >> I love the rotary hammer. Wear hearing protection though as it is >> loud. The only thing I use my regular hammer drill for now is precision >> stuff with small bits. > > You got it for $49? Score! > > Seriously, on the tool-quality scale it's a pretty rude piece. The > Makitas that Home Depot rents are a much, much nicer product, > smoother, shock-damping handle, fewer knobs to twiddle to change > settings, and just a more balanced feel. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 21 13:59:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC3A2D02AE for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:59:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C102D0299 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:58:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so143175iah.14 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:01:11 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=AGhrwzQEcJjQLmbn0+cqYLICAwqZScZFIiuEMapSsBM=; b=c9Q2Lh3e7z9wJ/Waa9SB0XgYvDOOq8ypD8+5AHsYyN9jENs85IZgUw3lf5IXPR5h+g 3iAPqj94RMgO8R56dsx98TSfs+ESNOL1J+JbSBlhDV1kTgr5Wa2WtnLAQqjmTPi+Awh8 SZnZGOX7wvjOP1XxP432wRWQuvKeioHO36cFgQhIOWKweFM9o34j6F6d+dBuX57rlJmQ 1uNbQ/OC57BuX2p/WoSBAWaSuVqNnaXHQbDDaOBkzFWMiwMFtGx9beqoMhO5KGaRVePL LVa+ARmc0soOoNRH9Qw8jBgxU3CTH2zyvRQxj/FkmfcSV8860d8yk85mXngTbSDIiqSM Divg== Received: by 10.43.97.8 with SMTP id ci8mr4297489icc.28.1345579271210; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.105] (onshore-gw.logika.net. [64.241.87.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ey10sm4317352igb.17.2012.08.21.13.01.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:01:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <37df1d0b.2d750b.139493ead7c.Webtop.46@charter.net> <001201cd7fb4$241550f0$6c3ff2d0$@ameritech.net> From: David Scheidt Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:01:09 -0500 To: "KVacek@Ameritech.net" Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] alt or battery? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:46 AM, "Karl Vacek" wrote: > That's the old Delco Eye. It's basically a hydrometer. I've never seen a > truly bad battery where the eye was green, though a good battery might not > have a green eye. I assume it's a malfunction in the hydrometer - maybe the > float sticking? I suppose it could stick in the "good" position, but I've > never seen one do that. > Karl If there's only one, the cell it's in might be okay, but the five might not be. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 08:43:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A342D0299 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:43:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5E92D0214 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:43:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120822144551.WCA10143.mta41.charter.net@imp11> for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:45:51 -0400 Received: from wt03 ([209.225.8.43]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id pqlr1j0060vicD505qlr5m; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:45:51 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=zOOgZa7TYWcA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=ZW5ThcZK4nOlqMg1hjgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=EWeGJ2VzZHDp-oewyqAA:9 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:45:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:45:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [Shop-talk] .doc to .jpg? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Is there a way to change a word .doc to a .jpg? Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 08:59:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A0B2D019F for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AFA2D019A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:58:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so1872433obh.14 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:01:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EyvUYYJxufSWT7v9LUMMO2xLJg45HoAZTgCf0ZfTdrs=; b=dbapeahYZ6fVkWEVk3LmsQh/UoklY9eNTkAdz/hw6XFD86BL1UpGy/rXC6yxPcAwM1 B52EuqckuhUBYcpEZ0EFP/CseJB7BfxuZOZRAHD7rJhD2x9wMdPeMU64L4xed5p5s2Lw dlGjjRyMwBnKZVvpQ4WCKzqO6ONFdNJdcKZ5T41aE7c7TNMvYQdSN8YDLMLFi/NiPNtm Qb61d17OW+Y5hFKi+Aua3Vv51uukZadYJ86lE/FhbASyojagxNOurcIxKeIVlnc6zS7n 7TckYXZmi7mTjcCXsq/ylhDPSxsA4cN1/ze9JFOjB9o55Q1JT9HCp763pNmCXGF+Aqja LZ+Q== Received: by 10.60.19.67 with SMTP id c3mr16377399oee.106.1345647681507; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.49.201 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:01:21 -0700 (PDT) References: <10f13638.2e57e9.1394ecbedb2.Webtop.43@charter.net> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:01:21 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] .doc to .jpg? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Other than scanning a hard (paper) copy of the document and saving it as a Jpeg image, I don't think so. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but the jpeg will result almost certainly result in a larger file and (of course) be uneditable as text. Ron On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Tim wrote: > Is there a way to change a word .doc to a .jpg? > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 09:06:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09D32D027C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:06:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.172.220.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C5E2D0160 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:02:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (71-222-108-105.ptld.qwest.net [71.222.108.105]) by st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M95007GHWKJSN30@st11p02mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:05:13 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-22_03:2012-08-22,2012-08-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1208220131 From: Darrell Walker Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:05:06 -0700 References: <10f13638.2e57e9.1394ecbedb2.Webtop.43@charter.net> To: Tim Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] .doc to .jpg? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Couple of hits from Google: http://www.wikihow.com/Change-a-Word-Document-to-JPEG-Format http://www.zamzar.com/convert/doc-to-jpg/ -Darrell On Aug 22, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Tim wrote: > Is there a way to change a word .doc to a .jpg? > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/darrellw360@mac.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 09:06:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519402D0266 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:06:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.mailix.net (mail-out.namezero.com [66.11.225.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A532D0160 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [107.3.215.251] (helo=[10.1.10.15]) by smtp.mailix.net with asmtp (Exim 4.24-CA) id 1T47Hp-0006lH-Il for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:31:41 -0700 References: <10f13638.2e57e9.1394ecbedb2.Webtop.43@charter.net> From: Matt Trebelhorn Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:06:08 -0400 To: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] .doc to .jpg? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You can take a screenshot, or several, with the document open. Matt On 22 Aug, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Tim wrote: > Is there a way to change a word .doc to a .jpg? > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ > matt.lists@trebelhorn.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 09:24:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735182D03DB for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:24:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA4E2D0290 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:22:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120822152521.EFDA1165.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:25:21 -0400 Received: from John-PC.cox.net ([24.254.211.88]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id prRM1j00A1uzUvs01rRMyg; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:25:21 -0400 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:17 a=QqurVxSbGq0A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=NhUFcSMN6x0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ZTEQ6DzXAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q6SfDYXhAAAA:8 a=kys2UyXWj07vxxawFQMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aav4MXMyVXkA:10 a=4zxjrV59PHAA:10 a=bz_d9vehOyUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=0tffCEgOgvZGpzyG:21 a=VHfN6Jdq1jrq842R:21 a=5kdxaCM7W_-l4pY1QdAA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=ororg4E4qSYA:10 a=upQCA6GsYCUA:10 a=VTAfFUUaRSz1TAyx:21 a=z1fNut9IAHFk-BQq:21 a=uMyTlBfukKJCgtmHy1UhRw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:23:51 -0400 To: Shop Talk From: "John T. Blair" References: <10f13638.2e57e9.1394ecbedb2.Webtop.43@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] .doc to .jpg? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net At 10:45 AM 8/22/2012, Tim wrote: >Is there a way to change a word .doc to a .jpg? Tim, Like Ronnie said, you'll end up with a large uneditable file. If you are looking for an uneditable file, or are trying to include a picture in a document, you might want to try making it a PDF file. There is a free online converter, zamzar: http://www.zamzar.com/ John John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229 48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III 65 Rambler Classic Morgan: www.team.net/www/morgan Bricklin: www.bricklin.org If you can read this - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." In God We Trust Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for oneself; freedom from control or restriction _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 12:12:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0A72D01A7 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983B02C0B8F for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7MID41b038180 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:13:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:12:59 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <10f13638.2e57e9.1394ecbedb2.Webtop.43@charter.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] .doc to .jpg? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/22/2012 10:45 AM, Tim wrote: > Is there a way to change a word .doc to a .jpg? > Thanks > tim Not sure about a jpg. If you're looking for an indelible document, pdf is probably the way to go. But Google "printkey 2000", it's a very useful utility for taking screenshots. LibreOffice, OpenOffice, or newer versions of MS Word will output PDFs. -Wayne _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 12:28:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A573E2C0B94 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:28:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta41.charter.net (mta41.charter.net [216.33.127.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA072C0D12 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:23:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120822182625.FVNL10143.mta41.charter.net@imp09> for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:26:25 -0400 Received: from wt03 ([209.225.8.43]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id puSR1j00D0vicD505uSRGT; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:26:25 -0400 cv=nlrKf9u5uG3fs/vD0VBbL3/xzyN25p4t1WHsSeqasGo= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=QqurVxSbGq0A:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=NhUFcSMN6x0A:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=ch40mOg55GPcCxhoDnsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:26:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:26:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] .doc to .jpg? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks all. I am not looking to make something uneditable Is there a way to change a word .doc to a .jpg? > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tputland@charter.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 12:59:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80DF2D015F for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mania.lunarmania.com (mania.lunarmania.com [67.210.98.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674F42D027C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:55:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net ([99.7.68.55]:55619 helo=dellPC) by mania.lunarmania.com with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1T4G89-0000Ek-SD for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:58:17 -0700 From: "Bob Nogueira" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:56:41 -0500 with any abuse report Subject: [Shop-talk] Engine Vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Ibve got a single cylinder motorcycle engine that was recently rebuilt, Ibve got it running wonderfully except for a problem with a mid throttle vibration. At the upper end and at idle the vibration is not present to any great extent but comes on very strong only at mid throttle with no load. I was assured by the rebuilder that everything was okay. No major parts needed to be replaced ( same piston, rod and crank). Any suggestions as to where to look for a cause of the vibration? Thanks Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 13:14:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A002D02DD for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from dogbert2.mail.megageek.com (nj-69-34-94-16.sta.embarqhsd.net [69.34.94.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8602D015F for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:08:02 -0600 (MDT) To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net From: eric@megageek.com Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:03:11 -0400 7.0.1|January 17, 2006) at 08/22/2012 15:03:13, Serialize complete at 08/22/2012 15:03:13 Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt Rechargeable Batteries and Primecell Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net About 3 years ago, I had two of my Dewalt 18v batteries 'rebuilt' by Primecell. It was a pretty straightforward process and I was happy at the time. However, the other day, I when to use my dewalt drill and neither battery would work. After a short inspection, it seems the rear terminals on these batteries were corroded. I checked other batteries I had and there was no corrosion. Some of the batteries were years older than the Primecell ones with the corrosion. So I plan to write them to explain the situation, but I was wondering if I could get any input here first. For one, has anyone else seen this on Primecell (or other) batteries? Does anyone know what could cause the rear terminal to corrode? Note, I do not leave my batteries on the chargers for longer than they require a charge, I don't use them that often, I always replace batteries before they are completely dead. All my batteries are stored in the same place. So why only these batteries? Thanks. Eric P "Be as beneficent as the sun or the sea, but if your rights as a rational being are trenched on, die on the first inch of your territory." Ralph Waldo Emerson _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 22 13:15:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266F72D03B8 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:15:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail932c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail932c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4D02D0205 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail932c35.nsolutionszone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail932c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7MJCpoo028592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:12:51 GMT Received: (from webmail@localhost) by mail932c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.12.2/Submit) id q7MJCp35028590; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:12:51 GMT Received: from 152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov (152-133-7-64.tic.va.gov [152.133.7.64]) by webmail2.centurytel.net (Webmail 4.0 V.V.I.) with HTTP for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:12:51 -0400 From: ejrussell@mebtel.net To: "Shop Talk" , "Bob Nogueira" Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:12:51 -0400 User-Agent: Webmail 4.0 a=vFMCQZgPscsA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=GPr01A5e9VcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=d7x3HNW2qKAA:10 a=QiQcBifw3rKpjI8epQikPQ==:17 a=ru70vwr5AAAA:8 a=u1txOk5pr15G1QYWjIQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=SAy0xSplM2UA:10 a=WkljmVdYkabdwxfqvArNOQ==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Engine Vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net How are the engine mounts? Does the engine have any balancing shafts? If so there is usually a specific procedure for 'synchronizing' them. Eric Russell Mebane, NC Quoting Bob Nogueira : > At the upper end and at idle the vibration is not present to any great extent > but comes on very strong only at mid throttle with no load. > Any suggestions as to where to look for a cause of the vibration? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 23 21:42:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA8A2D0390 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:42:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F166B2D0156 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.200] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2012 03:45:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2012 03:45:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2012 03:45:09 -0000 s=s1024; t=1345779909; bh=+dJCS3MVOAlHR9L3RSBKsAbuTsCFhWaaC7lNPRYii/k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=EbNqA+UWx4rCBSis2KKJeiobeTmK9gQQSzUDDGnva2/oWxuBe+dat1JnBscfTidf8Nj53xTE1+v2gq9Qe2GK1NtDW/rGT7IsZSQ2VQjvAWVltmBxx4cdQNVBDA03YVAysUL5G0Whlwa5JftD2ApEvBsGc3Cu1WzPNKyUDj7Yc7o= a6xT5n01ScNt4In9gRvyywilbPvfwOhKypS_atJpkty2tWPgIpximwnOCuNl 9L3AUvCtTUExyWAtQCA1OiIFAH8VexeVNZcciqhgiUvSsu1Ifgu8Vy4lYAVN 57k3jxVJPJ18aI6bEXXrb1uPjJmVxLqa2Z4DnEVy0bclvJQ_VQDIG7GYy5JW c05onvY3.DkJu8fzmKEL1XfTp5S.2CFknErFXRkuv3QdkJ.tiSLIaHUKwhxM nCqk34SRqw6AlPQPQGCkfF2.vYypC0Tz_01h1mpiPzw.xhPR9S3UUWJetlZP Vjma0WAjRr3gUTIUbzlGf6MT1jS9.3eUXvh_DUTgL9uLe0DgAwckCw8HbbK8 EL9pZigxhx8r6wlw8aFJijzJI1jdTPGeT7iE5eD3cNq3w2TsktFfP0z42eDs TwhLx4HcRL1AvnzrodLK3gmgZ7YallFNKdVN0FNULUytK7_0qI.MOEWVPkJ6 71VWzi._Ntr3knmAaBG88tnZ6rWJ0qeP6XEdPgJxP.w-- Received: from EntCentPC (jibjib@71.212.17.1 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2012 20:45:09 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: References: <5031FA53.2020007@landform.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:45:13 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac1+sOhIHeGAd4ejQauk1JFKo7IlBgC+Y15Q Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have some "Greenwood" tree trimming blades and they work, but are almost useless compared to a chainsaw. Jack -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of nick brearley Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 1:50 AM To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] Sawzall blades Got to remove a tree growing beside the shop and I've been wondering about using a Sawzall type saw for cutting the roots. Getting tired of swinging an axe in close quarters. Looking on ebay I came across these http://tinyurl.com/8fcvykz and wondered if anyone had experience in using these, or similar, for this type of job. Any suggestions gratefully received. Nick Brearley _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 25 09:02:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0498E2D027A for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333E22D01EC for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0E86F8058 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:03:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=groupwbench.org; h=from :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; q=dns; s=groupwbench.org; b=QivgKBpArDB7FAYcOy lNIz+P/4X6XJDt8LlBHk0e6rGV3XuvbCYwS/N0SRO0XL/wNvL4I7DjKy089n2xaZ qNnxCk10eWbJD5cPCPCr8PeIFnwn77ikTqCZLwoj8m+c2uM3pXywedOU1BeZVO3n FxtCrUA5gs/UnT/H/sEA88u4M= :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; s=groupwbench.org; bh=DK5j4Eu9leFomSjz2L/a0SkU Emo=; b=le6xwgyKDk0eCfMPBWwgb1w2friW3/2DW1RFP3t4U0XTIexbu8BuHa+B xt7ww4rrySKxZ6P9TJlcMb6UQS7lA8oi3o0JlFTPUzYFS7JuEpx5jXsYJV8bd/JZ PjetV5iBAym7sCSaLoLddxLgd2+4H7kH+1u8oFWdx49xuOpWNBA= Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-98-118-109-160.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [98.118.109.160]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D4AC6F8057 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:03:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Franklin Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:03:42 -0400 To: shop-talk List Subject: [Shop-talk] Tall sturdy pull down stairs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Surprisingly I don't see anything in the archives about this.. I have a garage ceiling that's 11'3 from finished floor to (soon to be) finished floor. I'd like a set of sturdy pull down stairs that can span this height and carry a 300lb load. Have you used anything you like? thanks, _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 25 09:29:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823B72D01AD for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:29:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9102C0D32 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7PFTx45052684; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:29:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:29:51 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: Jim Franklin , Shop Talk List References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tall sturdy pull down stairs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I was shopping for attic ladders recently. Werner has one that's supposed to be good for up to 12' ceilings and 375lbs. http://us.wernerco.com/products/climbing-equipment/attic-ladders Maybe not something stocked locally. Try Lowes or Amazon online? -wayne On 8/25/2012 11:03 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > Surprisingly I don't see anything in the archives about this.. > > I have a garage ceiling that's 11'3 from finished floor to (soon to be) > finished floor. I'd like a set of sturdy pull down stairs that can span this > height and carry a 300lb load. Have you used anything you like? > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 25 10:17:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7D92D018B for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:17:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C280B2C0D07 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so7407708obh.14 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:11:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/cPsoWvKjYzHTMfpTAF1dp6+5MW3HrF+w3IxqnDL7ug=; b=Gjydi2/S4/uO58ffJwbxm0c8DF56Iu6YlPT0MCD5wZbdR6KJ1vElF3kbKsgeNokiN+ KYjrpHZh9SXHJXGyXV1jGksKfqHy5RvOQjthflT1CtOrSNJPKLZZHpJy5I3JrMis/fGT MRXDMjU0vKU2YMdqdxv1TNrgHnJDOeSh8bhGuXlHU297jH1/YdXm3xeYovAawdmUO+Bj 617OJRHMxGVhJnFQGAfkM3/7SOEQC4TLInEPJSLUWqFEeiVZhM2EDwn2WW8Mwq2P2OGf C5JXJPYLFEmZU/RXzz3lyjVm2v/nTZg8BiZD8G9V256E3t3veyGnUoSdt4d/1FZ1e7++ lUUw== Received: by 10.182.44.74 with SMTP id c10mr6663191obm.29.1345911106337; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.49.201 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.49.201 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:11:46 -0700 (PDT) References: <5038EF6F.40502@xxiii.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:11:46 -0500 From: Ronnie Day To: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tall sturdy pull down stairs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You really can't go wrong with Werner. Ron On Aug 25, 2012 10:31 AM, "Wayne" wrote: > I was shopping for attic ladders recently. Werner has one that's supposed > to be good for up to 12' ceilings and 375lbs. > http://us.wernerco.com/**products/climbing-equipment/**attic-ladders > Maybe not something stocked locally. Try Lowes or Amazon online? > > -wayne > > On 8/25/2012 11:03 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > >> Surprisingly I don't see anything in the archives about this.. >> >> I have a garage ceiling that's 11'3 from finished floor to (soon to be) >> finished floor. I'd like a set of sturdy pull down stairs that can span >> this >> height and carry a 300lb load. Have you used anything you like? >> >> thanks, >> ______________________________**_________________ >> > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@**gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 25 10:47:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE7E2D01C2 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:47:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from blv-mbsout-01.boeing.com (blv-mbsout-01.boeing.com [130.76.32.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5E92D015E for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blv-mbsout-01.boeing.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by blv-mbsout-01.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/DOWNSTREAM_MBSOUT) with ESMTP id q7PGlu1q012338 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:47:56 -0700 Received: from XCH-NWHT-06.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwht-06.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.25.110]) by blv-mbsout-01.boeing.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/UPSTREAM_MBSOUT) with ESMTP id q7PGluJR012335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:47:56 -0700 Received: from XCH-NW-01V.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.64.120]) by XCH-NWHT-06.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.25.110]) with mapi; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:47:49 -0700 From: "Galt, Stuart A" To: Wayne , Jim Franklin , Shop Talk List Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:47:46 -0700 Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] Tall sturdy pull down stairs? Thread-Index: Ac2C1saBlyZSm+oMS3CfDzuRL3uWGAACjnNg References: <5038EF6F.40502@xxiii.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tall sturdy pull down stairs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Hmm, is there a solution out there for a bit taller? My ceiling height is 13'8" Stuart -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:30 AM To: Jim Franklin; Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tall sturdy pull down stairs? I was shopping for attic ladders recently. Werner has one that's supposed to be good for up to 12' ceilings and 375lbs. http://us.wernerco.com/products/climbing-equipment/attic-ladders Maybe not something stocked locally. Try Lowes or Amazon online? -wayne On 8/25/2012 11:03 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > Surprisingly I don't see anything in the archives about this.. > > I have a garage ceiling that's 11'3 from finished floor to (soon to > be) finished floor. I'd like a set of sturdy pull down stairs that can > span this height and carry a 300lb load. Have you used anything you like? > > thanks, > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stuart.a.galt@boeing.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 25 13:44:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42DB2D016E for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.128]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5ED2C0D43 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:43:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from EricJRussellPC (99-194-2-208.dyn.centurytel.net [99.194.2.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail938c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7PJkGMf015096; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:46:17 GMT From: "Eric J Russell" To: "shop-talk" , "Galt, Stuart A" References: <5038EF6F.40502@xxiii.com> <098E1A12860FC546BFB9617D2BEB5E145C8548B16D@XCH-NW-01V.nw.nos.boeing.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:45:33 -0400 a=QQn5ppE0i9YA:10 a=P2oOn6vrs4wA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=6WxjnRXeafkA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:17 a=JBLUpSMPAAAA:8 a=2-KQy7HYAAAA:8 a=8GN4XRofAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=-jO5ufA7AAAA:8 a=xwPayol1AAAA:8 a=8ltF_vOb3Mrl1NMNSFAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=ZmW_8LdBKvYA:10 a=6PFYuX4-dlIA:10 a=FibliMNvKBIA:10 a=0Ob1RWNGeVAA:10 a=wJjgFq53tGJlaoXvjQHWgA==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tall sturdy pull down stairs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If the attic access is not something you will need often, you can make a simple platform to place on the floor such that the bottom of a slightly shorter pull down stair can rest upon it. I did this in our pre-remodeled garage. I had a ~ 3' X 3' box made of 2X12's & plywood. I marked the location on the garage floor with a few paint stripes. Eric Russell Mebane, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galt, Stuart A" To: "Wayne" ; "Jim Franklin" ; "Shop Talk List" Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tall sturdy pull down stairs? > Hmm, is there a solution out there for a bit taller? My ceiling height is > 13'8" > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wayne > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:30 AM > To: Jim Franklin; Shop Talk List > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tall sturdy pull down stairs? > > I was shopping for attic ladders recently. Werner has one that's supposed > to > be good for up to 12' ceilings and 375lbs. > http://us.wernerco.com/products/climbing-equipment/attic-ladders > Maybe not something stocked locally. Try Lowes or Amazon online? > > -wayne > > On 8/25/2012 11:03 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: >> Surprisingly I don't see anything in the archives about this.. >> >> I have a garage ceiling that's 11'3 from finished floor to (soon to >> be) finished floor. I'd like a set of sturdy pull down stairs that can >> span this height and carry a 300lb load. Have you used anything you like? >> >> thanks, >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stuart.a.galt@boeing.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell@mebtel.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 26 19:39:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC76D2C0D07 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:39:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2635A2C0CC7 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:38:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([unknown] [72.86.147.233]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M9E00MDP4P7VWN0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:41:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:38:22 -0400 From: Rush User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk List References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tall sturdy pull down stairs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net These guys have models up to 11' 6" http://www.rainbowatticstair.com/attic-stairs-products/prestige-folding-attic-stairs.cfm Jon On 8/25/2012 11:03 AM, Jim Franklin wrote: > Surprisingly I don't see anything in the archives about this.. > > I have a garage ceiling that's 11'3 from finished floor to (soon to be) > finished floor. I'd like a set of sturdy pull down stairs that can span this > height and carry a 300lb load. Have you used anything you like? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 12:23:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AF52D02BC for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mania.lunarmania.com (mania.lunarmania.com [67.210.98.240]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75492C0CB1 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:21:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 99-7-68-55.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net ([99.7.68.55]:53598 helo=dellPC) by mania.lunarmania.com with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1T6mwF-0008Br-Bi for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:24:27 -0700 From: "Bob Nogueira" To: "Shop Talk" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:23:21 -0500 with any abuse report Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Sound system Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net In my garage I have a PC computer with my music and a internet connection. On the other side of the garage (30 feet) is the FM stereo amp. For several reasons I can not have the amp and PC close together. I have been using a Bluetooth to get the computer audio output to the amp. The Bluetooth has been a real pain so I would now like to hardwire the computers audio output to the amps aux input. My Question is what gauge wire will I need to cover the 30 b40 ft. between the computer and amp? Bob _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 12:33:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38922D0265 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2FE2D0192 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iagk10 with SMTP id k10so2117977iag.14 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:33:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=n+vDMMbc4EBRQNqTmIkbxwxgFvES4SbgUTADudM4Mrs=; b=CnI88E1dMqFyHJO0ZpfPmWOukE34ChXUKG2OB5o4uHWRwwRFx6JA4Vho40E2pFbQQo 3EcorvJTyP3xli1WLTO46e46T+7gCJvxa/p6VMc8Ys69B7EjPFuyHYlh39nYqsOw5OVs RN+liOyPS2CwA+ibx2mVheaKyANWWkRksBK90pj3EgIbQFLdzTAgSkmfXYhQQkOSmRST b17Ce1xnnBDdIq+vzx4/HNMYEOl80fzgKk8NXqcRSzC/4k6bii/kToYxgmKzfcZj/B4U xmgACcrcTt4FwGLz8mKgrlgEo4nc3TVYxjKe4EuMKEmkxElYqfdt3jcH5UDFQ6M9lj48 w2nA== Received: by 10.42.96.129 with SMTP id j1mr2342115icn.54.1346265205886; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.11.72 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:33:25 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:33:25 -0500 From: John Innis To: Bob Nogueira Cc: Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Sound system Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Gauge of wire will not be an issue really, but you need some shielding to keep the noise down. You will not get acceptable audio quality over that distance with plain old speaker wire. Use something like this if you have stereo headphone jacks at each end: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021812&p_id=5583&seq=1&format=2 or This if you have RCA jacks at each end : http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021814&p_id=5349&seq=1&format=2 On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Bob Nogueira wrote: > In my garage I have a PC computer with my music and a internet connection. > On > the other side of the garage (30 feet) is the FM stereo amp. For several > reasons I can not have the amp and PC close together. I have been using a > Bluetooth to get the computer audio output to the amp. > > The Bluetooth has been a real pain so I would now like to hardwire the > computers audio output to the amps aux input. > > My Question is what gauge wire will I need to cover the 30 b 40 ft. > between > the computer and amp? > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > -- ================================= = Never offend people with style when you = = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown = ================================= _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 12:36:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F932D02C5 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848682C0CBE for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=PZQQXU-ghWoA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=T6L0-qsJJGi-ESnu99IA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:65219] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 60/03-13948-FB16E305; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:38:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:38:55 +0000 From: To: Shop Talk , Bob Nogueira Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Sound system Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > My Question is what gauge wire will I need to cover the 30 b40 ft. between > the computer and amp? If you use the speaker output from the PC, and a "line in" connection on the amp, then almost anything will do. Even 24 AWG will only add about 2 ohms DC resistance, which is negligible compared to the ~10k ohm "line in". And the low output impedance should keep it from picking up any hum or coupling from other wires. (Assuming you aren't looking for concert hall realism here, just background noise while you work ) If hum or noise pickup does prove to be a problem, either re-route the wire or use something shielded. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 13:03:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B05D2D0182 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:03:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C5B2C0CAD for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=Msvs8uruz6oA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=MdcZr8GspVL2W0oYlKkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=nOffWtQG2VQwM4PO:21 a=20xo9gKYgdkFH7Vb:21 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:34766] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id C5/16-13948-A576E305; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:02:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:02:50 -0400 From: To: Shop Talk Sensitivity: Normal Subject: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I intend to try doing my own resleeving job on the clutch MC for my 56 Triumph TR3. Yes, I know I could send it out, but where's the fun in that? The old one is in decent shape overall, but the bore is worn some .045" oversize and the seal won't hold against such a big gap. My thought is to stand the aluminum cylinder up in the vertical mill, supported by big standoffs from the table to the cylinder mounting ears, bore the cylinder to .001" smaller than the od of some thinwall brass tubing with a suitable id, then use a mandrel to press the tubing into place with a few drops of Loctite for good measure. With any luck the brass tubing won't crush enough to need adjustment, but if it comes out too small, I'll ream or hone it to size. Any thoughts on easier, better ways to do this? Looks like I'll have to first make my own B&S #7 tail for a (new) boring head. Any advice on that process would be welcome as well. My thought is to mount some 12L14 in the 3-jaw; center drill and use a live center to support it while I machine the taper & threads for the boring head without moving it in the chuck, then drill & tap for the drawbar with the outer end unsupported. That should leave the taper & head mount perfectly concentric; I don't really care if the drawbar hole is a bit off. I'm a rank amateur machinist, so any words of wisdom will be welcome. --- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 13:03:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285C52D02EE for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3552C0CAD for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=Msvs8uruz6oA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=MdcZr8GspVL2W0oYlKkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=nOffWtQG2VQwM4PO:21 a=20xo9gKYgdkFH7Vb:21 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:34806] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 25/D3-17657-F676E305; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:03:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:03:11 +0000 From: To: Shop Talk Sensitivity: Normal Subject: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I intend to try doing my own resleeving job on the clutch MC for my 56 Triumph TR3. Yes, I know I could send it out, but where's the fun in that? The old one is in decent shape overall, but the bore is worn some .045" oversize and the seal won't hold against such a big gap. My thought is to stand the aluminum cylinder up in the vertical mill, supported by big standoffs from the table to the cylinder mounting ears, bore the cylinder to .001" smaller than the od of some thinwall brass tubing with a suitable id, then use a mandrel to press the tubing into place with a few drops of Loctite for good measure. With any luck the brass tubing won't crush enough to need adjustment, but if it comes out too small, I'll ream or hone it to size. Any thoughts on easier, better ways to do this? Looks like I'll have to first make my own B&S #7 tail for a (new) boring head. Any advice on that process would be welcome as well. My thought is to mount some 12L14 in the 3-jaw; center drill and use a live center to support it while I machine the taper & threads for the boring head without moving it in the chuck, then drill & tap for the drawbar with the outer end unsupported. That should leave the taper & head mount perfectly concentric; I don't really care if the drawbar hole is a bit off. I'm a rank amateur machinist, so any words of wisdom will be welcome. --- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 13:19:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA1D2D0288 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3EE2C0D1C for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl13 with SMTP id fl13so1324315vcb.14 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:22:27 -0700 (PDT) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language:x-gm-message-state; bh=PQg6gcQfnZPFymQ70IBRwgqxkV/0CYkvbjg1Lyl78NU=; b=GMRWyuGLq7vZnr1MhVKDtrz3XqyUNbU+7QKPBLjELgE8XwfTu2BVaF6cL3IsqF2GyN pkvBIoUwWhLoRO3uZpswV6XDhkiLgASrnBOaCteyA0/34jpw8cFuus7cfGv3/L6vwr4/ djnTTwSZnNUeruLtBWaEvuzRtaGDXM0CWbyfxRkGGhpeEiOEV+F863ms5U20I2TnzQAx m72u6XJCfB5dH7XjGXeDmHfGWZmCsUTsr6pDGuWwx1QdGYmRGiIbwC8RDtznUpgi0zLj Ar1qvW9nMr3/SAo4xRmgdqjR6GUg14vzXdMeY7QVqt0EaLRMKiyaYENNfeUjxHsa8U4I s+wQ== Received: by 10.220.149.130 with SMTP id t2mr1709610vcv.8.1346268147380; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GeraldPC (d28-23-189-29.dim.wideopenwest.com. [23.28.29.189]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id zz18sm11316473veb.4.2012.08.29.12.22.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:22:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gerald Brazil" To: , "'Shop Talk'" References: <20120829190250.B8DFC.91683.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:22:34 -0400 Thread-Index: AQKPud8H0ouxUE+7kwtyfm5Kil+035Xswx6w Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A nice project for an amateur machinist but while you are working on it order a new one because your chances of getting it right on the first try are slim. -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr3driver@ca.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:03 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder I intend to try doing my own resleeving job on the clutch MC for my 56 Triumph TR3. Yes, I know I could send it out, but where's the fun in that? The old one is in decent shape overall, but the bore is worn some .045" oversize and the seal won't hold against such a big gap. My thought is to stand the aluminum cylinder up in the vertical mill, supported by big standoffs from the table to the cylinder mounting ears, bore the cylinder to .001" smaller than the od of some thinwall brass tubing with a suitable id, then use a mandrel to press the tubing into place with a few drops of Loctite for good measure. With any luck the brass tubing won't crush enough to need adjustment, but if it comes out too small, I'll ream or hone it to size. Any thoughts on easier, better ways to do this? Looks like I'll have to first make my own B&S #7 tail for a (new) boring head. Any advice on that process would be welcome as well. My thought is to mount some 12L14 in the 3-jaw; center drill and use a live center to support it while I machine the taper & threads for the boring head without moving it in the chuck, then drill & tap for the drawbar with the outer end unsupported. That should leave the taper & head mount perfectly concentric; I don't really care if the drawbar hole is a bit off. I'm a rank amateur machinist, so any words of wisdom will be welcome. --- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gerrybraz@cablespeed.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 17:49:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FA22C0CE0 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B102D0322 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=c9fncSKDR1UA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=XEdG05NyAAAA:8 a=aMCID_oXAAAA:8 a=rmeARIUzm4qxw9hWFmoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=vxc9mT2MaW0A:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:50885] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 74/9B-13948-F49AE305; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:44:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:44:15 -0400 From: To: 'Shop Talk' Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Gerald Brazil wrote: > A nice project for an amateur machinist but while you are working on it > order a new one because your chances of getting it right on the first try > are slim. Only problem with that, no one makes a 'correct' new cylinder for my car. But I will practice on some scrap cylinders first. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 18:01:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75EC2D0334 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:01:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cuda600.readingeagle.com (cuda600.readingeagle.com [107.1.36.241]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901302C0C28 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from reishm01.is.eagle.net (reishm01.is.eagle.net [192.168.152.7]) by cuda600.readingeagle.com with ESMTP id ih8MHyjphyzghbQd for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 68.63.86.19 [68.63.86.19] by reishm01.is.eagle.net (SMTPD-11.0) id e20600000b7d109b; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:04:27 -0400 From: "Dan Fest" To: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:04:21 -0400 TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=9.0 tests=BSF_SC0_TG035a, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.25 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.00 BSF_SC0_TG035a Message contains invalid style definition Subject: [Shop-talk] schumacher SE4022 battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a fairly new schumacher SE4022 battery charger. It's a good quality one for trucks, etc. We were using it the other day and it was working fine. While in use, we heard a click and it stopped working. Is anyone familar with these ?? Does it have a circuit breaker of fuse ???? I'd like to try to fix it since it cost almost $350 last year. thanks, Dan _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 18:55:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739782D030C for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B2F2D026E for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:55:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by iagk10 with SMTP id k10so2813786iag.14 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:58:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tSsYKl8fHq1CFIHNhZxqpKWfX1eJ2lTuYk59RnsFicI=; b=DjT6Fs+dbw4ikJE2so4PPNs4sl1eCFdC8X0hgdcCwXfLQTUr5PWsq8GXsCFlqqkha2 xdhhZv4XOQdoLzhOHSkgxJgrTKyUc94+MUxaBB6S0tcFSwjItP43juaL4NqKW0NxxGOz taq4igpYLFrg+mtzNOAzGW4F/FkWxLIUE3YwC9Rhdgs+jmCQzDqa3zOk9mG7r3fkugeP CKC1lUMU4AygpZrCxKiatreBLiMiO/S6/vk0hVKo8n2sgTbB6Pn9PDeMYuRoAkHyNwg6 jVorNjzLIZg7pFE7pQGvktmetpkjttkafRqN+jare0BRIVhoWhI5bhlShkW9jIvrxRy7 cOTA== Received: by 10.50.183.231 with SMTP id ep7mr3696259igc.66.1346288286737; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.82.9 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.82.9 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:58:06 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:58:06 -0400 From: Peter Murray To: Shop-Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Sound system Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net You could use a FM Stereo transmitter with a battery/12V supply for this. I have been a big fan of the Belkin TuneCast, as it will transmit on any frequency, and it is not difficult to tack on a better transmitting antenna. http://tinyurl.com/cz9v6ev If you have trouble finding the Belkin, likely any one will do. Or you can build one from a Ramsey Electronics kit - though I would recommend the FM-25 over the FM-10, for better frequency stability. http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/hk/default.asp?page=amfm If something smaller could be made to fit where the PC is, you could look at a much smaller amp and ceiling speakers.... -Peter On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Bob Nogueira wrote: > In my garage I have a PC computer with my music and a internet connection. On > the other side of the garage (30 feet) is the FM stereo amp. For several > reasons I can not have the amp and PC close together. I have been using a > Bluetooth to get the computer audio output to the amp. > > The Bluetooth has been a real pain so I would now like to hardwire the > computers audio output to the amps aux input. > > My Question is what gauge wire will I need to cover the 30 b 40 ft. between > the computer and amp? > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 20:54:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981242D0305 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:54:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.126]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 831372D0300 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:52:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 02:55:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.232] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 02:55:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 02:55:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 48552 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Aug 2012 02:55:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346295335; bh=ZM/mmR+nhjzoZXQXBwiRBbaJMyfw9DSRyiNYWkQgSdE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=R0CSemJ/f6IAdgN0Y2kVsN7jSiHlncU7tPApaedL4JoKy9ufsYlDr/f7OSe6qZF33F61q/YV9N24dZzbm9dxzEH8co7eI8S9k1C2GN7qgvJVZkdU6cZpnlQbMb1LQgilOXwxKfwQ+jIiU4NEIKwuKNA6JfokmeMByLLXs10afzc= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c0DJkr7Vsbcld+i2773x7UdTS1lkX0Q3RzTCxmXmIRvkgmHLjXPerw1BmCLz9TA4NevQfVTrQCE4Cgx0ds3t/2+xWS3sBWKdF6d0oQYoDCJ8ID2Y2yqg7+u9UDFQtBHYaqwYtjUxch8hm8YZ95fR+hADrpMAB1U4S50wrhNiOLs=; RbjJKPn.KRDps.pcYauNZoqx4qcsnMaFCDKSv8QlWNWEyvde2awdLyXqyRd6 KXz7BqnhB2kjoThpe3tqr2X9rXgBIaK4rs5wKe662E2_Y878R8Xhz7m.I.xO esG1FDILayGi0x3h9GlvhreYM_95VGRWxa39kiXYSU_5WirwmbWu_czByeQA tJlbSgw1kVZ.0wsqBLtevX1su1.leFJKtc_XvKvLZXVzeFwMzhRaDhfnOPdd syxIR5KEPRn7dIw43DzXicnYlWZZFniFVTHiHSnf4r0eR7Roc5vNtQvnpzMr WVS9.opjA2CDhi0WZdMTRkxmpiecOsahXojd1rqwJ1C85PsbtZygW3uDttFA B7LC3VjkGaUkJqouAjIGIrR5PjfY3jjmRMPBq2r_BsR3.RnyNngcZ7xzgPSW lqP55ZLm6XLWgGsMSWGTcDryvdfPUt9fkc67Jnna4qK86aHv3kTES1ptjoOm s3ryZZc0LNjvBM_6GBzmNiqz4niG9B_UzfU3AphVTRol9_uRiAspnYEj5NGt rBM8ToOLmUaEN6evcn6uhJG7Joo.AB75w6Lkmg_cikJ.R6w-- Received: from [65.6.2.212] by web140004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:55:35 PDT References: <663FE942F4B840F3B019D460DB90C74C@Dan> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:55:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Battmain To: shoptalk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] schumacher SE4022 battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A little googling on the model number shows the rectifiers may be blown. Based on my experiences with other chargers with a similar issue, the rectifier issue may have some merit. Seems you can purchase just the parts with a bit of digging. www.digikey.com has a good cross reference even if they surcharge for being under minimum order. Regards, Brian >________________________________ > From: Dan Fest >To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:04 PM >Subject: [Shop-talk] schumacher SE4022 battery charger > >I have a fairly new schumacher SE4022 battery charger. It's a good quality >one for trucks, etc. We were using it the other day and it was working fine. >While in use, we heard a click and it stopped working. Is anyone familar with >these ?? Does it have a circuit breaker of fuse ???? I'd like to try to fix it >since it cost almost $350 last year. >thanks, >Dan >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/battmain@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 29 22:11:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9872D0322 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 08F302D02FF for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 22:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 04:09:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.72] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 04:09:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Aug 2012 04:09:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 93955 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2012 04:09:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346299752; bh=0Ldnoz6eMN+X7iT5g8rW7tIq92hpF9z//gAVRvV6FJk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=DtfPJdUfsnb45ipNt46jc61irXxfKXDJ7z9UMCvIZzwgQix4ehu5SDZNYPACrspYM7fB/cUBCZGlYJUYrS4cRY8f+C9qQkEL7tHZMCXdM81/xC5SCDxRB433twocLRKSZc9N8GV/VV0WrGG7PXnMp8gQbRM5zbNzY06L00arh3E= El.cJVkyWqO6sGVGeicO_MBcQZyON0_7ZnzpeE.b3hcPEMZikLspj6GPSz3s xf2CimylDcmLBqyZl0Zo6qFAvC2Kw_3_.tWyxoqgh6c0lvhDDAyxqGqQrobN B.k_PNSrzfKDwcl3LmPokt1vHGNpO6LuRgEE4GoPjJRSiJ69nQAsT_u57jJl 2OUqrTjzjjllvOp_zz6ZCRjWz3IlSmopQJFr8yyAOi0TfEq6DuuYT1nddrf9 BXn482eDu885YiiPpdUfFPtGNskzNMPZVSjh7dYYzTZb4vjC5eNW1PPl8T3E xs.Vo4NuDpoqCysj3hLkFGXLWZvrInz7iJ_Juq9bio5oZPbx6vEXs1xJUs5M 5SmCPAQ3wEjebxMVI0X9RZ4_6hqxRiFMvlR5cn.6.AqCjw.yjQi2.Qvf7Qs7 OziAV6Q7FkVxnva02V0W_E_FBFj9GqDVFYe_Mt9TG7a8GbjMa Received: from EntCentPC (jibjib@71.212.8.121 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2012 21:09:12 -0700 PDT From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Shop Talk'" References: <20120829190250.B8DFC.91683.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:09:26 -0700 thread-index: Ac2GGWA0Ql8AVfuTSAOcc6mX8SxakQASdQgw Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Randall, You have a handle on the sizing, but assemble it just like installing the Throw Out bearing in your tranny. Put the cylinder in the oven and the sleeve in the freezer. When the temperatures stabilize slip that tube right into place. Pressing thin wall tube with that L/D will likely destroy the sleeve. While I can't say for sure, I seriously doubt there is any need for locktite, as the only load on the cylinder trying to push the sleeve out is the friction of the seal as it slides along the tube, but that is counteracted by the load the pressure puts radially outward into the MC. If it works, let me know. I have two of those on the shelf, but like you (I suspect) I carry a good one in the boot at all times, since the MC is the same for the clutch as it is for the single MC, single circuit brake system. Later, Jack TR's 3&8 -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr3driver@ca.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:03 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder I intend to try doing my own resleeving job on the clutch MC for my 56 Triumph TR3. Yes, I know I could send it out, but where's the fun in that? The old one is in decent shape overall, but the bore is worn some .045" oversize and the seal won't hold against such a big gap. My thought is to stand the aluminum cylinder up in the vertical mill, supported by big standoffs from the table to the cylinder mounting ears, bore the cylinder to .001" smaller than the od of some thinwall brass tubing with a suitable id, then use a mandrel to press the tubing into place with a few drops of Loctite for good measure. With any luck the brass tubing won't crush enough to need adjustment, but if it comes out too small, I'll ream or hone it to size. Any thoughts on easier, better ways to do this? Looks like I'll have to first make my own B&S #7 tail for a (new) boring head. Any advice on that process would be welcome as well. My thought is to mount some 12L14 in the 3-jaw; center drill and use a live center to support it while I machine the taper & threads for the boring head without moving it in the chuck, then drill & tap for the drawbar with the outer end unsupported. That should leave the taper & head mount perfectly concentric; I don't really care if the drawbar hole is a bit off. I'm a rank amateur machinist, so any words of wisdom will be welcome. --- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 08:59:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDD62D0325 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:59:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D56B2D0287 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:59:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7UF23Iu077359 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:02:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:02:02 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: Shop Talk List References: <20120829190250.B8DFC.91683.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <7A05927A220D4306840ADA7BEA6ACF52@EntCentPC> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Randall, et al: How do you keep an old car like that going? Some stuff you're obviously gonna have to fab' or improvise. I guess it depends on how determined you are to keep it original. It seems like other enthusiasts would have figured something like "oh! just go to AutoZone and score the M.C. for a {insert modern car here}; it's practically a drop-in with just a little line bending." Would it possibly be easier to over-bore the cylinder, and fabricate a matching piston & rod assy? -Wayne > Subject: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder > > I intend to try doing my own resleeving job on the clutch MC for my 56 > Triumph TR3. Yes, I know I could send it out, but where's the fun in that? > The old one is in decent shape overall, but the bore is worn some .045" > oversize and the seal won't hold against such a big gap. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 09:17:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7AD2D02FC for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE10D2C0D2F for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:16:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by vcbfl13 with SMTP id fl13so2599782vcb.14 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:19:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4Ip5IunWzT8aiv8ANAyyPB5S9OaC0/KitguF9Onqb2M=; b=VGjDG7lQxT5LCzJ8eNWeaRb7VIkZdIwC3w8n5E77Yh1VU0ljfOOE0cHBaiWc2Zvh7z m9FBmlMVE60AsKlJqXCS1NSdJftRThnoyyWup4RXQczAvRlV1l90Zz3gYHg+h0i6SIow cKzOJpnGALPrNPdyulECIobwXexsfPx0+Kgb5+oH2dpRPBEvOaedvu9Cb1uF8/g2aFg1 VY/Bw3d4bf+YqaW/1gVUC7AyrylTDOqN2RVQD3ngsmbYEejriM9GDy6qw0uhZa/f1ZyT Mp+xSSFTJbkvDTxl+D9gDk8LQXwc801OUynlClJp/6XrYB6h8W+HyhfzMuB2S3AHkuGB Aslw== Received: by 10.58.74.3 with SMTP id p3mr3678738vev.27.1346339977899; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.7.38 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:19:37 -0700 (PDT) References: <20120829190250.B8DFC.91683.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <7A05927A220D4306840ADA7BEA6ACF52@EntCentPC> <503F806A.2020605@xxiii.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:19:37 +0100 From: Dave Caroline To: Wayne Cc: Shop Talk List Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Wayne wrote: > Randall, et al: > How do you keep an old car like that going? Some stuff you're obviously > gonna have to fab' or improvise. I guess it depends on how determined you > are to keep it original. It seems like other enthusiasts would have figured > something like "oh! just go to AutoZone and score the M.C. for a {insert > modern car here}; it's practically a drop-in with just a little line > bending." > > Would it possibly be easier to over-bore the cylinder, and fabricate a > matching piston & rod assy? > > -Wayne or some remanufacturing guy makes something special for you so you can keep the original as a spare or part of the items history and use a pattern part which takes the everyday wear. people like me take drawings or better still the original parts and what they mount on and remake a pattern part. I make little gears and similar for people http://gears.archivist.info/ Dave Caroline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 10:01:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23B42D033B for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:01:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6F42C0D18 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120830160402.YGSR24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:04:02 -0400 Received: from wt07 ([209.225.8.57]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id t4421j0041Dq0wp05442EL; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:04:02 -0400 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=4JSqmJ31oaEA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=sdt4hj9ViisA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=c9fncSKDR1UA:10 a=g9/lnmOh2JSgL3sSiPkglw==:17 a=yjnj2FiDAAAA:8 a=HN51c55UFLS-oF3uEdQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=tQEmbfGR1qEA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=BcwT0Smst7MCtTIIGOhIgQ==:117 Received: from [165.189.65.23] by enhanced.charter.net with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:04:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:04:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim To: Shop Talk User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is too cool! > I make little gears and similar for people > http://gears.archivist.info/ tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 10:03:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC792D0367 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:03:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.187]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6C32D031E for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:03:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([12.162.141.2]) by m1plsmtpa01-08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id t4681j00203JK1Y0146B3m; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:06:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:05:48 -0500 From: Pat Horne Organization: Horne Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20120829190250.B8DFC.91683.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <7A05927A220D4306840ADA7BEA6ACF52@EntCentPC> <503F806A.2020605@xxiii.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, Very impressive work! I knew this kind of work must be being done, but I have never actually paid much attention to it. Keep up the good work, Thanks for the posting Peace, Pat Thusly spake Dave Caroline, On 8/30/2012 10:19 AM: > > or some remanufacturing guy makes something special for you so you can > keep the original as a spare or part of the items history and use a > pattern part which takes the everyday wear. > people like me take drawings or better still the original parts and > what they mount on and remake a pattern part. > > I make little gears and similar for people > http://gears.archivist.info/ > > Dave Caroline > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 10:44:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24602D0336 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from itonami.pair.com (itonami.pair.com [209.68.2.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 250B32D026E for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 73856 invoked by uid 3198); 30 Aug 2012 16:47:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Aug 2012 16:47:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hillman To: Dan Fest References: <663FE942F4B840F3B019D460DB90C74C@Dan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] schumacher SE4022 battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Dan Fest wrote: > I have a fairly new schumacher SE4022 battery charger. It's a good quality > one for trucks, etc. We were using it the other day and it was working fine. > While in use, we heard a click and it stopped working. Is anyone > familar with these ?? Does it have a circuit breaker of fuse ???? I'd > like to try to fix it since it cost almost $350 last year. I have a different model Schumacher charger with the same problem. Last year it just stopped working. I thought the same thing you are thinking, but when I disassembled it, I found no such easy fixes. No blown fuses. I did find a loose connection, but that wasn't the problem. I never did fix it, and bought a replacement ( since my original lasted many years ) instead. Haven't quite brought myself to throw out or recycle the broken yet, since it doesn't look like 'junk' yet ;) Good luck. -- David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 11:47:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F5F2D033D for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDDF2D02FD for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:47:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([12.162.141.2]) by m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id t5qQ1j00503JK1Y015qRmg; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 10:50:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:50:01 -0500 From: Pat Horne Organization: Horne Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <663FE942F4B840F3B019D460DB90C74C@Dan> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] schumacher SE4022 battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I has a Schumacher charger about 15 years ago that worked fine until it blew the diodes. A call too the manufacturer got me a free set of rectifiers, I just had to pay shipping. You might see what they say. Peace, Pat Thusly spake David Hillman, On 8/30/2012 11:47 AM: > On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Dan Fest wrote: >> I have a fairly new schumacher SE4022 battery charger. It's a good >> quality >> one for trucks, etc. We were using it the other day and it was >> working fine. >> While in use, we heard a click and it stopped working. Is anyone >> familar with these ?? Does it have a circuit breaker of fuse ???? I'd >> like to try to fix it since it cost almost $350 last year. > > I have a different model Schumacher charger with the same problem. > Last year it just stopped working. I thought the same thing you are > thinking, but when I disassembled it, I found no such easy fixes. No > blown fuses. I did find a loose connection, but that wasn't the problem. > > I never did fix it, and bought a replacement ( since my original > lasted many years ) instead. Haven't quite brought myself to throw > out or recycle the broken yet, since it doesn't look like 'junk' yet ;) > > Good luck. > > -- > David Hillman > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pat@hornesystemstx.com > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 12:20:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9822D033B for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888D42C0CBC for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host-2-96-137-161.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.1.68]) ([2.96.137.161]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 30 Aug 2012 19:22:46 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:22:34 +0100 From: Neil Sherry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <20120829190250.B8DFC.91683.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <001601cd861b$a608dc90$f21a95b0$@cablespeed.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Not that difficult - I sleeved the main cylinder bore of a brake servo - steel sleeve into an ally alloy casting. Made the sleeve a close slide fit, held with Loctite, but it couldn't go anywhere as it was trapped in place once the servo was assembled. The one thing I did do was to get it honed before sliding it in - so that it was easy to hone all the way to the end. Making a new oversized piston is probably not a good idea - the larger bore would mess up the throw of the slave cylinder. Certainly could be overcome, but I think it would be easy to make a straight sleeve anyway. Neil On 29/08/2012 20:22, Gerald Brazil wrote: > A nice project for an amateur machinist but while you are working on it > order a new one because your chances of getting it right on the first try > are slim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr3driver@ca.rr.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:03 PM > To: Shop Talk > Subject: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder > > I intend to try doing my own resleeving job on the clutch MC for my 56 > Triumph TR3. Yes, I know I could send it out, but where's the fun in that? > The old one is in decent shape overall, but the bore is worn some .045" > oversize and the seal won't hold against such a big gap. > > My thought is to stand the aluminum cylinder up in the vertical mill, > supported by big standoffs from the table to the cylinder mounting ears, > bore the cylinder to .001" smaller than the od of some thinwall brass tubing > with a suitable id, then use a mandrel to press the tubing into place with a > few drops of Loctite for good measure. With any luck the brass tubing won't > crush enough to need adjustment, but if it comes out too small, I'll ream or > hone it to size. > > Any thoughts on easier, better ways to do this? > > Looks like I'll have to first make my own B&S #7 tail for a (new) boring > head. Any advice on that process would be welcome as well. > > My thought is to mount some 12L14 in the 3-jaw; center drill and use a live > center to support it while I machine the taper & threads for the boring head > without moving it in the chuck, then drill & tap for the drawbar with the > outer end unsupported. That should leave the taper & head mount perfectly > concentric; I don't really care if the drawbar hole is a bit off. > > I'm a rank amateur machinist, so any words of wisdom will be welcome. > > --- Randall > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/gerrybraz@cablespeed.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/neiljsherry@talktalk.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 12:33:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D352D0347 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCE02D028A for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:31:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7UIXrvk078181 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:33:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:33:51 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <663FE942F4B840F3B019D460DB90C74C@Dan> <503FA7C9.8000102@hornesystemstx.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] schumacher SE4022 battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a relatively little model of theirs. 2 / 10 / 60amp @ 12V. Got it at AdvanceAuto, but I'e seen the identical one with different paint elsewhere. Took a look "under the hood" years ago. No much to 'em. I'd agree with the part about the rectifiers. It's either gonna have a decent sized 4 terminal bridge rectifier, or discrete diodes, pretty close to the transformer. If you have a meter and know some basic electronics, you can test it pretty easily. Diodes can likely be replaced with 1N40xx series parts. And bridges are pretty standard. When in doubt, go for higher current rating. Available from Digi-Key, Mouser, Newark, or even Radio Shanty. If it's further into the regulation or controls, that's more than I remember. -Wayne On 8/30/2012 1:50 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > I has a Schumacher charger about 15 years ago that worked fine until it > blew the diodes. A call too the manufacturer got me a free set of > rectifiers, I just had to pay shipping. You might see what they say. > > Peace, > Pat > > Thusly spake David Hillman, On 8/30/2012 11:47 AM: >> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Dan Fest wrote: >>> I have a fairly new schumacher SE4022 battery charger. It's a good >>> quality >>> one for trucks, etc. We were using it the other day and it was >>> working fine. >>> While in use, we heard a click and it stopped working. Is anyone >>> familar with these ?? Does it have a circuit breaker of fuse ???? I'd >>> like to try to fix it since it cost almost $350 last year. >> >> I have a different model Schumacher charger with the same problem. >> Last year it just stopped working. I thought the same thing you are >> thinking, but when I disassembled it, I found no such easy fixes. No >> blown fuses. I did find a loose connection, but that wasn't the problem. >> >> I never did fix it, and bought a replacement ( since my original >> lasted many years ) instead. Haven't quite brought myself to throw out >> or recycle the broken yet, since it doesn't look like 'junk' yet ;) >> >> Good luck. >> >> -- >> David Hillman _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 13:34:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31B42D0265 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:34:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cartman.xxiii.com (cartman.xxiii.com [12.43.186.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DC72C0D28 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:32:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.246.168.46]) by cartman.xxiii.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q7UJZB0G078387; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:35:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wmc_st@xxiii.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:35:09 -0400 From: Wayne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.17 To: pat@hornesystemstx.com, Shop Talk List References: <663FE942F4B840F3B019D460DB90C74C@Dan> <503FA7C9.8000102@hornesystemstx.com> <503FB20F.3090608@xxiii.com> <503FB581.5090401@hornesystemstx.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] schumacher SE4022 battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Oh, c**p. Pat corrected me, thx. I haven't bought any in a few years. But my recollection was the trailing 2 numbers were the amperage rating. eg: 1n4005 = 5amp, but it's actually tied to the voltage. Oh well. Digi-Key's search will get you onto the right thing. -Wayne On 8/30/2012 2:48 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > Wayne, > 1n40xx are only rated at 1 amp, so they will be too small for this > application. You will need diodes or a bridge rated at the minimum, the > current output of the highest output current of the charger. They will > also need to be on a heat sink or bolted to the chassis of the charger. > > Peace, > Pat _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 16:57:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF3A2D02FD for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:57:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687172D02D8 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:56:10 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=c9fncSKDR1UA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=2-KQy7HYAAAA:8 a=J-zRSXbXv7x_JgyaDUYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=6PFYuX4-dlIA:10 a=hFwcADQ33CgJV9lcXZw7+A==:117 Received: from [10.127.132.110] ([10.127.132.110:42161] helo=cdptpa-web19-z01) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTPA id 81/2E-13948-130FF305; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:58:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:58:57 -0400 From: To: Shop Talk List Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Wayne wrote: > Randall, et al: > How do you keep an old car like that going? It turns out that the Triumph TR series is popular enough that there are replacements available for practically everything. And they made enough cars that most things are also available used from cars that got wrecked or rusted too badly to be worth restoring. Other cars (and old machines) are not so fortunate, of course. There was a story on Leno's garage of how he got a "bargain" on a 1914 Premier because it had a broken water pump housing and a replacement housing was simply not available anywhere. (The fascinating part of that story is that they were able to create a new housing using 3D printing techniques.) But something about the old "hand" machining techniques appeals to me. I find it really cool to both make something and then use it. Eventually, I hope to even branch out into doing my own castings (even though 3D printing will probably make castings obsolete by then). Weird I know, but I enjoy it. > Would it possibly be easier to over-bore the cylinder, and fabricate a > matching piston & rod assy? A possibility, I guess, but I think there would be problems. Before it failed, the original cylinder started wearing rapidly. The dust seal was literally full of tiny aluminum particles from the wear. I don't really know why that happened; perhaps there was originally a thin hardened layer that I honed through or perhaps the inner surface was weakened in some way by long exposure to contaminated brake fluid. But since I don't know why it happened, I also don't know that it wouldn't happen again. The brass seems to offer a sure solution; and one that could be repeated if necessary. The seal is also custom for this application. It might be that a standard O-ring could be made to work, but I've never seen a master cylinder that didn't use a cup-shaped seal. Seems like there must be a reason for that. And since seals do wear out and need to be replaced, I like the idea of being able to just stuff in a new standard seal rather than have to remember what tricks I played last time. Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 21:54:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFA62D031E for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.130]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 82F0B2D028C for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 03:55:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.87] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 03:55:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1024.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2012 03:55:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 4103 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2012 03:55:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1346385308; bh=NctET5EzLseihTQeWvIIuiJqLp6StQZs58j4ALrLpIc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=bVO+CH6eM9MMRz/XflmeoLP42QCPdF2oIgkr600Oww++oga4jl4NS0g+0ukc+GrLZwO1lEMOpzoHLCE6qhaYGE2EahvbTjYvbeukkhN+mNVDMSC5HsOwUzY2+NMq8QycUiOVK6Oyi2RmraOw+z6Q7/M3QeJ+5wy8PEgiYBcR3JI= AZgQI.MoCpPNrE4sOix6iASFKrmggDxfssauXey_LQ.PW.unMjDn17nggm0X GKAmgAe.zlT7x0paE8f24ossUub0JmCvEq5mQ1ziPJJDk1B6lNuguTRNo85x zalm99wvOlbIYAOk66t3xLQK.WF2xPbgndw.ImvKSKOXVzckxB6CzyXTzBPw EDSZ3glpLQ8Gli51zl5AmvJH1ME.rRaWN64j4pCaz7qeobQdsC0rGCAUZYwF 41WtFJrekI9IoTI8f38G8Qv9J3NSZUgTT9l6Kj5aJiTzuLPCzr.TvKZeK4ny A_0EGAaZud46xyZDogmeaQDuelQ4AXve0EoOycnlvisa2p7QYQCODdbfjmp. TpX4j5G7Ss3vxN76z3fFWoWQFN9UaMzF_ryirwgzSXy8EIBuiKvXo5sUI79S 5gW8HIySKLByYoi0cyLqWB4LJBRNszvNkKFvVGmj76eJeyQt6.Ajz7DXuoaj zc3RH Received: from EntCentPC (jibjib@71.212.8.121 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 03:55:07 +0000 UTC From: "Jack Brooks" To: "'Shop Talk'" References: <20120829190250.B8DFC.91683.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <7A05927A220D4306840ADA7BEA6ACF52@EntCentPC> <001201cd86b5$ea5d5480$bf17fd80$@ameritech.net> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:55:25 -0700 Thread-Index: AQKPud8H0ouxUE+7kwtyfm5Kil+03wIZV7zJld0rCKCAAOzLQA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Good info Karl. I'm really surprised as the only place the hydraulic pressure is acting in only one longitudinal direction is on one end of the sleeve and that is a miniscule area. White post would know though. I like their work the best for cylinders, but I like these guys http://www.worldwideimportautoparts.com , for lever shocks. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Karl Vacek [mailto:kvacek@ameritech.net] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:47 AM To: 'Jack Brooks'; 'Shop Talk' Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder A few years ago I wanted to have some cylinders sleeved and I called White Post. When I asked why they used brass instead of stainless sleeves, they told me that with differential expansion stainless sleeves sometimes slid out when hot, even when assembled using the hot cylinder/cold sleeve method. The force that makes the cylinders slide out is hydraulic pressure rather than friction. Probably not going to happen with a single-ended wheel cylinder, but a master cylinder or single-ended wheel cylinder could. I'm plating up the insides of my MGTC wheel cylinders rather than sleeving them. All I need to do is fill in the pitting, and the Eastwood plating kit is doing a fine job, building up plating reasonably fast and it's easy to smooth out. I've just gotta have some time to finish them. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Jack Brooks Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder While I can't say for sure, I seriously doubt there is any need for locktite, as the only load on the cylinder trying to push the sleeve out is the friction of the seal as it slides along the tube, but that is counteracted by the load the pressure puts radially outward into the MC. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 22:57:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4792D0262 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463922D01C2 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:55:12 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=lKnr1Mj_cVoA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hZ-fH9ApNbgA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=UPMTkZ0DhWeYGmbPx_QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 80/A0-17657-85440405; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 04:58:00 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: References: <663FE942F4B840F3B019D460DB90C74C@Dan> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:58:02 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2GzyWN5vQi0738Rj+fsCgbAZkNowAZRaqg Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] schumacher SE4022 battery charger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I have a different model Schumacher charger with the same > problem. FWIW, I have a smaller Schumacher charger (2/10/50 IIRC) that was given to me after it died. Its problem turned out to be diodes (as I think someone already suggested). I grabbed a diode plate out of an old dead alternator and mounted that in place of the original diodes. I've had to replace a few other items (circuit breaker and battery clips, it really needs a new AC line cord); but 20 years later those old alternator diodes are still doing the job. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 23:01:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93532D033C for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:01:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02CC2D0202 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:01:18 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=sdt4hj9ViisA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=c9fncSKDR1UA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=yjnj2FiDAAAA:8 a=5bGy06QWlET_JH78TQYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=tQEmbfGR1qEA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55000] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 58/54-29356-6C540405; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:04:06 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Shop Talk List'" References: <20120829190250.B8DFC.91683.root@cdptpa-web19-z01><7A05927A220D4306840ADA7BEA6ACF52@EntCentPC><503F806A.2020605@xxiii.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:04:08 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2GwvcJJbPfA+M1QKuOJsdh+HG/wgAclf0A Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net > I make little gears and similar for people > http://gears.archivist.info/ Very nice, Dave! Clock repair is another area I'd like to get into, someday. I don't have anything valuable yet, but there are several cuckoo clocks hanging around here that I'd like to hear cuckoo again. Might even teach the grandkids how to tell time -- Randall From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 30 23:13:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shop-talk-archive@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7C02D0330 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7707A2D021B for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:11:53 -0600 (MDT) a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:17 a=ExDAyBU5CxkA:10 a=sdt4hj9ViisA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=c9fncSKDR1UA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=GiOzZzwrYjIAPsQ9xCAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iHrfZUqj8pI4/cobIDz1/A==:117 Received: from [76.168.149.236] ([76.168.149.236:55001] helo=randall) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FC/D1-13948-04840405; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 05:14:40 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jack Brooks'" , "'Shop Talk'" References: <20120829190250.B8DFC.91683.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> <7A05927A220D4306840ADA7BEA6ACF52@EntCentPC> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:14:42 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac2GGWA0Ql8AVfuTSAOcc6mX8SxakQASdQgwADTGrqA= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Sleeving a hydraulic clutch cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the thoughts, Jack. > but like you (I > suspect) I carry a good one in the boot at all times Actually, I don't. In over 30 years and 300,000 miles in a succession of TR3s, this is the first time I have ever had a sudden MC failure. And even this time it wasn't really all that sudden, I just happened to look down and see the puddle of DOT 5 on the floor mat before I drove to work. The clutch still worked. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive