From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 1 20:23:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3382D022C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:23:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc2-s1.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s1.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9F52D0200 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL115-W31 ([65.55.34.71]) by col0-omc2-s1.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:23:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.87.234.36] From: Jim Stone To: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:23:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2012 02:23:53.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[C16AB490:01CD4066] X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] Tapeless Joint Compound? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net About 10 years ago I did some drywall repair for a friend of mine, fixing a spot where the original tape had come away from the wall, exposing the joint between the two sheets. I wanted to use fresh tape and conventional compound, but he had a product called "ATI Tapeless Joint Compound" that he had purchased at Home Depot for the job and wanted me to try. I was skeptical but gave it a try. 10 years later the area still looks perfect. I now need to repair an area around a light switch at my house and would love to use a similar product to avoid the tape buildup under one side of the switch plate. I Googled the company (Applied Textures Inc) and the product but all I can find are old forum postings. The company's website is no longer functional, so I assume they are out of business. Has anyone heard of a similar product? I looked at Lowe's, Home Depot and Ace Hardware, but none of them carried anything similar. Thanks. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 2 09:27:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928832D0207 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:27:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA582D01CA for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:27:39 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PpgSBjIm3EWJiGNAJC5/evTlIKw8FQQrxHUixVgIWb0HOZcPJBU+QxKgomezLiTC; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.26] (helo=mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SaqFY-0001Ny-Uh; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:28:20 -0400 Received: from 76.194.242.30 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:28:20 -0400 Message-ID: <454575.1338650900868.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:28:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: bk13 To: Jim Stone , shop-talk@autox.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: f30ccafafe09714d4d2b10475b57112085a77507f5ca68245d1fa9f0d1428aef92764449e275203c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tapeless Joint Compound? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: bk13 List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Jim - I searched "tapeless joint compound" and found http://www.edp-inc.net/Products.php It sounds like the same stuff, but they appear to just sell by the pallet via the web site. Click the contact page and they have a selection of retail locations. Their product is a setting type joint compound. You can but setting type compounds at the local home centers and I use them for most of my patches since they are stronger and dry faster than regular drywall joint compound. For the average homeowner, the 45 or 90 minute set is probably good. The faster stuff is likely to set before you get it right, so I would not recommend it for general use. Brian - getting ready to contract out a 21 sheet ceiling job -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Stone >Sent: Jun 1, 2012 7:23 PM >To: shop-talk@autox.team.net >Subject: [Shop-talk] Tapeless Joint Compound? > >About 10 years ago I did some drywall repair for a friend of mine, fixing a >spot where the original tape had come away from the wall, exposing the joint >between the two sheets. I wanted to use fresh tape and conventional compound, >but he had a product called "ATI Tapeless Joint Compound" that he had >purchased at Home Depot for the job and wanted me to try. I was skeptical but >gave it a try. 10 years later the area still looks perfect. I now need to >repair an area around a light switch at my house and would love to use a >similar product to avoid the tape buildup under one side of the switch plate. >I Googled the company (Applied Textures Inc) and the product but all I can >find are old forum postings. The company's website is no longer functional, >so I assume they are out of business. Has anyone heard of a similar product? >I looked at Lowe's, Home Depot and Ace Hardware, but none of them carried >anything similar. > >Thanks. >_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Suggested annual donation $12.96 >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bk13@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 2 11:10:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF822D01BE for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:10:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900AD2D01B6 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:07:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.71]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HToB1j0041YDfWL58V8Zih; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:08:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.82.100] ([71.235.119.87]) by omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HV8Y1j0111tDsSn3gV8ZNp; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:08:33 +0000 Message-ID: <4FCA489A.5040207@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:08:42 -0400 From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Stone References: In-Reply-To: Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tapeless Joint Compound? X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 6/1/2012 10:23 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > About 10 years ago I did some drywall repair for a friend of mine, fixing a > spot where the original tape had come away from the wall, exposing the joint > between the two sheets. I wanted to use fresh tape and conventional compound, > but he had a product called "ATI Tapeless Joint Compound" that he had > purchased at Home Depot for the job and wanted me to try. I was skeptical but > gave it a try. 10 years later the area still looks perfect. I now need to > repair an area around a light switch at my house and would love to use a > similar product to avoid the tape buildup under one side of the switch plate. > I Googled the company (Applied Textures Inc) and the product but all I can > find are old forum postings. The company's website is no longer functional, > so I assume they are out of business. Has anyone heard of a similar product? > I looked at Lowe's, Home Depot and Ace Hardware, but none of them carried > anything similar. > > Thanks. I've had great success using "liquid tape". What I have done is cut a rectangular patch. Used the patch to clean up the hole. Easier to fit the hole to the patch rather than the reverse. Add blocking around the hole inside the wall using scrap pieces of wood. Just hold the wood in place and drive screws through the original wall board. Then attach the patch with wood screws. Next I fill the crack with dry wall compound. Once dry, I sand the seam making sure to expose the paper skin on both the patch and the original wall board. This leaves a band, about an inch wide, that is paper and a small amount of filler compound. I then paint the band with "liquid tape" otherwise known as wood glue. The glue soaks into the exposed paper and the compound crack fill and forms a really, really strong seamless skin. After the glue is dried I do a quick sanding to remove any high spot (area with too much glue was applied). Apply a quick coat of compound to level things out, sand, paint. Wood glue is stronger than wood or paper. I find this holds up better than a taped patch and is dead flat. I moved a light fixture and used this technique to path the wall. Being adjacent to the light I can't see the patch. I challenged my wife to find the patch and she couldn't. Even holding a flash light at a sever angle which shows every taped seam and nail, the patch is invisible. Peter T. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 2 11:48:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E272D0214 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:48:35 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378FF2D01A6 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:48:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E4D2E01E for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FCA534D.1010108@bradakis.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:54:21 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Shop-talk] State of the art wiring X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thought some of you electrically minded folks might enjoy this picture: http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=131 mjb, master electrician. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 2 11:59:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658FD2D0233 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:59:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7ECE2D01FA for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:55:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so3127436lbj.14 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:55:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=emmN1sx9zEVcSO0Zhr82C1CTLOAiVFW2lRj7b2d4DYs=; b=naUSqO004xs61JSF9zkQBCUPTfUT2PUhGG5BLG1SdjlGBM8guLrjpD246tzDt/ilvt GZKdgOGdjtAmv8UBTnHYkWJjnX30doO5u+6U9Qk1nimJJlhsAjHQqAVE53qe2/YwKRbR avr0cgF5TuIrtz5JbTA54EEFHkNF74bPeELkylMt6Cgu/L9uIxlFFtC6Hqvd+vdx08kO gK9iV4uw4SwoLhjRzDBCudeP1BQ9auo7W9HXX0XIHE+oesBdPDlJgKc98HaHa63fbvDf bEuI8bdJrSFnCdKwToSRft8Q3dC6vfWN/LcPfg7pluMBCzNOeiIY39HU2WgEO6HqQxxS IPEA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.46.9 with SMTP id r9mr3657639lbm.81.1338659759348; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.49.65 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:55:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCA534D.1010108@bradakis.com> References: <4FCA534D.1010108@bradakis.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:55:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: Doug Braun To: Mark J Bradakis X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlUoR+paao/BAuYjgxA9rbcr0sthRu6suzR8xZ6nP7Y9syZnb17b16Ef21Zx1/KsQiLv1gI X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] State of the art wiring X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net That's nothing! Have a look at this: http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2011/111006_afghanistan/15n111006_afghanistan-pg-horizontal.JPG Doug On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Thought some of you electrically minded folks might enjoy this picture: > > http://www.team.net/forums/**viewtopic.php?f=4&t=131 > > > mjb, master electrician. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 2 12:22:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA282D021C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:22:53 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.216]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D6D02D0219 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:22:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 18:23:31 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.48] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 18:23:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 18:23:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1338661411; bh=B/MwC7vb3ZjGROJEBXtZLfVKEoup4y4loO5btIa5TSg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=5jYNH8xjmmQR9z9VhyOiVnQ+c1FzQfnnB/42Uq0pF3mdU5/1MkzChovcK+BmlZ8L2AUUS9EgPHobwtfi8pp0ma7J4AMQHkqB1dmh3oiv0EP94FuOau0x7pNDB0LZok2JePiU7zM7nTm0FNnI0MvInUpBHHbH5XdghTuhimK0ckU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 165822.94110.bm@smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: aJOqDQ0VM1kzjPRqfPuNSEQv9xCbewjHGUKQFIm7MAfr7ps sWDyXvW04C1Yy3HV6YjMBbAoXtqcGozUj.e3xRAKVj6vQ1shZlOd.NxI_4Vg zZH4d5UBq08GIlOmuSPRNouMUsGEcCiAhFSEgE0h3MGQLOxf8RUg70Ku06tF c6YpR25Q91bmlrIvykBQ8eCxvdE3383ZYnrIy5T4Qiw_FD_Qjeze4xNLT_Gs 5v86y2R0uDWqiJl3wMk.6TW9CGPlK0itfSoB16pdWfI5j4kCXlLXnqRSvSRe lIqShy2dt0.Wu74KUDT4P3mMh7BH_WhZU8R18.rNmnsJ4zSCvA3V4XBWhGer NS7_0oBJrJzlO2pldJxsmDLbf9eWdxSSG51KEatu.MCz6tFJ8bfm9COCQa2e X9PzUjRxxBFdHPYPz62hwEg5bF.8- X-Yahoo-SMTP: N1vUKuCswBBFA6w98oBmnWwA.ZnMue1mJ2F6zw-- Received: from john5043a2d406 (jniolon@108.227.226.77 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jun 2012 11:23:30 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "John Niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:22:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: [Shop-talk] vin number decoding - equipment list X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Somewhere in the past I found a website... and not an automotive type website where you could enter the VIN of your car and it would list every detail about it.... equipment, trim, engine particulars... I mean everything... it even told you how many were produced with the option list you have... very useful... but sadly, I lost the link.. anyone ever heard of this ??? thanks John I'm sarcastic... what's your superpower ? _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 2 12:32:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D58C2D02A3 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:32:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AB32D0219 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:32:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mark.bradakis.com (166-70-156-36.ip.xmission.com [166.70.156.36]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB152E02D for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:42:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FCA5DA0.2020003@bradakis.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:38:24 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120429 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <4FCA534D.1010108@bradakis.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] State of the art wiring X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Doug Braun wrote: > That's nothing! Have a look at this: > > http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2011/111006_afghanistan/15n111006_afghanistan-pg-horizontal.JPG > Gee, wasn't someone on this very list over there doing, oddly enough, communications work? mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 2 13:09:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9704E2D0233 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:09:44 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72652D01FA for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by lahi5 with SMTP id i5so3011922lah.14 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:10:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ARpfLuxtWAImLQBzcK8fzEam9p/5h2gDEaCNbvYuYjE=; b=GpSY+eXfaGWHNCOuvT5JzJny5sWEY5JMzj7lDLx3QWd5p9OPFo6QYUyuGGfbTwjpJ9 Z7JBDD85bSag4AUDsRv35pz1bpaSQIEDXzZuDYc7DygJqLGAa9W9WBUz8gZk0L5L7ehi 8ShYW1NgCG4UoBLU5coTxj7vghxQ/bJf2edXspsx5kPb9mMSBvpM+RJ29KyO8DDMAcc3 qBPak7v3vW9XsQXzeSoF24T9XyW9cTjvyiffKgUaC7DZm2PGh8C1Ru8a8dQ7rPNBHQ6J b+Rw1o7CtjD15pLJwXHk0AjlTobdd6rijcWO2jK+XPk/tAxfpdqgr18hWdd2JUKkNGy1 6RQg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.41.2 with SMTP id b2mr3871294lbl.58.1338664228827; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.49.65 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:10:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCA5DA0.2020003@bradakis.com> References: <4FCA534D.1010108@bradakis.com> <4FCA5DA0.2020003@bradakis.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:10:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: Doug Braun To: Mark J Bradakis X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlEA1j5lXrSXWT6clEdNWm54nrvaP1oa/i8jpddZlXeK8POSOYahkbG+1pyiic9bHFJ2Aeq X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] State of the art wiring X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net The scary thing is: that's power wiring! Doug On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Doug Braun wrote: > >> That's nothing! Have a look at this: >> >> http://i.usatoday.net/news/**gallery/2011/111006_**afghanistan/15n111006_ >> **afghanistan-pg-horizontal.JPG >> >> > Gee, wasn't someone on this very list over there doing, oddly enough, > communications work? > > mjb. > > ______________________________**_________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/shop-talk/doug@**dougbraun.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 2 14:11:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2158E2D0233 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:11:40 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4912D0155 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by yenm7 with SMTP id m7so3196218yen.14 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:12:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZPX0wmtgH2d97epHmuxmEvKtZxBbyqixhfJj6baAvuc=; b=uszPAmNKmD8edlzzzHYKWfVbDa8WXFS+y4mqT9V793fsh0M8+oFjTZMDMo7mFrSZxg jyRVrFoAp8Rc+Yv7Qdx42hsVJO52QlcSP3sYyeHMKfch2zuJlen6rm+71snkIrahOFCF C3yoKZ3xDsSiObPl9OXwAuWRr8se9/EymllMyALU9e24E2TlnNBwlCa7g6OG+dOHo8HJ OfDIdhlGpictX/qBxPugqaa6EntK+fq0n/+hh32QMEwLLalzmrHAHOd9ludUPYyIg8NL g0aMweQdXH9Wwd8AuSm2olTXytoMyJiqav1HHttR3K8ez+5cibCm8EzgOwBYzsUvW4G0 hglw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.149.194 with SMTP id uc2mr4808518igb.23.1338667942937; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.6.162 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:12:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:12:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeff Scarbrough To: shop-talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] vin number decoding - equipment list X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 2:22 PM, John Niolon wrote: > anyone ever heard of this ??? I've seen enthusiast web sites that would do this for some marques/years of particular autos. Not a universal one, though. You could try this one: http://www.decodethis.com/Default.aspx _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 2 14:27:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mharc@autox.team.net Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4D82D02A3 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:27:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Original-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm12-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.236.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C283C2D021C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 20:28:11 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 20:28:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 20:28:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1338668891; bh=2OKAJGYD6JO/r+oIyGmmKvB5DnzsXtJHw7rAcz56gxw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=hmoxBxirhRHgvOERbDU6GshC2bKH0TXhTKtv3Ncl8/jRNbn5jEYedxJsTeudvpuFEbW+4MNZJBPSYKJpADH9qPS1NvbxAKwVjO0lDgo++D3P2sI3/P7Fx/f5HRKUS6HhPLUVNrM1amXORTDpK7MGsAQbh9YrBVhhzgrr1E/emJ8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 766617.40272.bm@smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 1AaJtdEVM1mhmuCp1FdSOZzfpnc2dqYn1jfv2l3IQMnF7ri bA4wUECOJ1yRxaAYjtB9JIKmzA6JhAXkqkt_l83gs5q9T1G2E3QXEJRbIelJ 1_B_wPjC3xtv36eacyMw.xfZip_oT6Qbsezx1E86Re5mOtDjl5yo38G5Zn35 SxwFG9UGSYo0_kfjVqISrXmPxAw0pjaAHh3CfUx3HV_ZK.KhSoJ5biK_.MOT kDg0Yyejj6Zapw3xudjQv3klprCw5SUBTq3k3_L7qoUI5uZUtzfzIn6al5Zt DcOgarnIvcxgpIt4pXt7aGhDzfO8kSolri7r3iO73FInmaLDrr4Q3yrl918c gB_9TcLU9nSnS5QOCM.lfytmsWlz.ARS4EHx_KtTUoi1U03p0Cw2xmIzyTfB lxS05Gugz4BZYQPBSoqv6Z0ejkVinS0aPJiCqd5ldh_jugjboqhmzkyzCMel no7mx_DCitM38uyJo8VDeA3GhjklGCQnXNBE875MR1ockipmCBucEEjp9E7A ttLuUOdvgCZkSamfg02m3DfveOnGv8.wzADNXy0jvF8n_L2vKC9tKu8apmA8 gwniBSoDcJfOFDlqgHXP5K5Lt2d9XiuDuI7syfnbM X-Yahoo-SMTP: N1vUKuCswBBFA6w98oBmnWwA.ZnMue1mJ2F6zw-- Received: from john5043a2d406 (jniolon@108.227.226.77 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jun 2012 13:28:11 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <711912D17EE44B86B3418289A5A5518C@john5043a2d406> From: "John Niolon" To: "Jeff Scarbrough" , "shop-talk" References: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:27:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] vin number decoding - equipment list X-BeenThere: shop-talk@autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Random workshop related discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sender: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net well... I found it finally... http://www.compnine.com/vid.php this gives you the complete equipment list broken down by RPO codes... run it on your car.... it's fun to see everything included... thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Scarbrough" To: "shop-talk" Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] vin number decoding - equipment list > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 2:22 PM, John Niolon wrote: >> anyone ever heard of this ??? > > I've seen enthusiast web sites that would do this for some > marques/years of particular autos. Not a universal one, though. > > You could try this one: http://www.decodethis.com/Default.aspx > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jniolon@att.net _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mharc@autox.team.net