Subject: Re: [Mgs] Two MGs and friends

From: Robert's New iPad <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 10:09:44 -0500

Hi Rick,
	It’s good to read of your adventures, and to learn of your connection with Hans and Rui whom I know only by this list’s correspondence.
	Do you still have the original wheel cylinders for TD?  Mine were pitted; I bought new. Then I disliked the apparent cheesiness of them so I had my originals sleeved.
	Many say that you can clean the wet shoes with brake cleaner. Probably so, though I would put one of the contaminated/cleaned shoes on each side, so any loss of effectiveness would be shared. And, I would put that shoe as the ‘trailing’ shoe on the wheels, as we don’t do much serious braking in reverse.
	Me? For the cost of a new set of shoes I would buy the set.  Check Abingdon Spares site, as not too long ago they were on sale.
Bob

> On Nov 13, 2022, at 7:41 AM, Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Hello friends,
>    Before I comment on my two MGs I'd like to write a few words about a recent trip. Nancy and I just returned from Portugal on a trans-Atlantic repositioning cruise. 13 days sailing from Lisbon to Tampa! Whew! But before that crossing we spent ten days with two of this group's members: Hans Duinhoven in the Netherlands and Rui Gigante in Portugal.
>    I have known both Hans and Rui for over two decades, Hans via this group and Rui via another group, if now he's also here. Rui I met face-to-face in Italy in about 1999, and I met Hans and his wife Tineke face-to-face just a few weeks ago. All are such lovely people. Thank you.
>    I have been absent from this group for ages it seems, although I still read all posts. So here's my update.
>    I currently have two MGs. The '53 TD that I restored a few years back, and a '72 MGB that I'm just finishing 'restoring' to 'driver' status.
>    The TD needed a new brake master cylinder which I installed just before the overseas trip. It works great! So great in fact that it blew out the so-called seals on one 'new' rear slave cylinder, spilling brake fluid everywhere. I'll try to refrain from rude comments about the 'new' cylinder's country of origin but suffice to say, I'm disappointed - again.
>    One question for the MG brain trust: Will the gush of brake fluid within the drum have permanently damaged the new brake shoes' linings, or can the shoes be washed clean with brake cleaner? Said another way; Should I order new brake shoes when I order the new slave cylinder?
>    The MGB just needs one more brake system bleed since it's all new and a few air bubbles are almost certainly hiding in obscure places. That's it for mechanical tweaks. Everything left to do is cosmetic.
>    With that all said, et me conclude by saying it's nice to be back chatting.
> 
> Rick
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From: Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:08:04 -0600

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Thank you for the tips, Bob! Rui and Hans, like most car guys, are really
nice people.

R.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 9:09 AM Robert's New iPad <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>         It=E2=80=99s good to read of your adventures, and to learn of you=
r
> connection with Hans and Rui whom I know only by this list=E2=80=99s corr=
espondence.
>         Do you still have the original wheel cylinders for TD?  Mine were
> pitted; I bought new. Then I disliked the apparent cheesiness of them so =
I
> had my originals sleeved.
>         Many say that you can clean the wet shoes with brake cleaner.
> Probably so, though I would put one of the contaminated/cleaned shoes on
> each side, so any loss of effectiveness would be shared. And, I would put
> that shoe as the =E2=80=98trailing=E2=80=99 shoe on the wheels, as we don=
=E2=80=99t do much serious
> braking in reverse.
>         Me? For the cost of a new set of shoes I would buy the set.  Chec=
k
> Abingdon Spares site, as not too long ago they were on sale.
> Bob
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 2022, at 7:41 AM, Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]=
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello friends,
> >    Before I comment on my two MGs I'd like to write a few words about a
> recent trip. Nancy and I just returned from Portugal on a trans-Atlantic
> repositioning cruise. 13 days sailing from Lisbon to Tampa! Whew! But
> before that crossing we spent ten days with two of this group's members:
> Hans Duinhoven in the Netherlands and Rui Gigante in Portugal.
> >    I have known both Hans and Rui for over two decades, Hans via this
> group and Rui via another group, if now he's also here. Rui I met
> face-to-face in Italy in about 1999, and I met Hans and his wife Tineke
> face-to-face just a few weeks ago. All are such lovely people. Thank you.
> >    I have been absent from this group for ages it seems, although I
> still read all posts. So here's my update.
> >    I currently have two MGs. The '53 TD that I restored a few years
> back, and a '72 MGB that I'm just finishing 'restoring' to 'driver' statu=
s.
> >    The TD needed a new brake master cylinder which I installed just
> before the overseas trip. It works great! So great in fact that it blew o=
ut
> the so-called seals on one 'new' rear slave cylinder, spilling brake flui=
d
> everywhere. I'll try to refrain from rude comments about the 'new'
> cylinder's country of origin but suffice to say, I'm disappointed - again=
.
> >    One question for the MG brain trust: Will the gush of brake fluid
> within the drum have permanently damaged the new brake shoes' linings, or
> can the shoes be washed clean with brake cleaner? Said another way; Shoul=
d
> I order new brake shoes when I order the new slave cylinder?
> >    The MGB just needs one more brake system bleed since it's all new an=
d
> a few air bubbles are almost certainly hiding in obscure places. That's i=
t
> for mechanical tweaks. Everything left to do is cosmetic.
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/mgs http://autox.team.net/archiv=
e
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<div dir=3D"auto">Thank you for the tips, Bob! Rui and Hans, like most car =
guys, are really nice people.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
R.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 9:09 AM Robert&#39;s New iPad &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Rick,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s good to read of your adventures, a=
nd to learn of your connection with Hans and Rui whom I know only by this l=
ist=E2=80=99s correspondence.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Do you still have the original wheel cylinders =
for TD?=C2=A0 Mine were pitted; I bought new. Then I disliked the apparent =
cheesiness of them so I had my originals sleeved.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Many say that you can clean the wet shoes with =
brake cleaner. Probably so, though I would put one of the contaminated/clea=
ned shoes on each side, so any loss of effectiveness would be shared. And, =
I would put that shoe as the =E2=80=98trailing=E2=80=99 shoe on the wheels,=
 as we don=E2=80=99t do much serious braking in reverse.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Me? For the cost of a new set of shoes I would =
buy the set.=C2=A0 Check Abingdon Spares site, as not too long ago they wer=
e on sale.<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On Nov 13, 2022, at 7:41 AM, Richard Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ric=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">richardolindsa=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hello friends,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Before I comment on my two MGs I&#39;d like to write a fe=
w words about a recent trip. Nancy and I just returned from Portugal on a t=
rans-Atlantic repositioning cruise. 13 days sailing from Lisbon to Tampa! W=
hew! But before that crossing we spent ten days with two of this group&#39;=
s members: Hans Duinhoven in the Netherlands and Rui Gigante in Portugal.<b=
r>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I have known both Hans and Rui for over two decades, Hans=
 via this group and Rui via another group, if now he&#39;s also here. Rui I=
 met face-to-face in Italy in about 1999, and I met Hans and his wife Tinek=
e face-to-face just a few weeks ago. All are such lovely people. Thank you.=
<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I have been absent from this group for ages it seems, alt=
hough I still read all posts. So here&#39;s my update.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I currently have two MGs. The &#39;53 TD that I restored =
a few years back, and a &#39;72 MGB that I&#39;m just finishing &#39;restor=
ing&#39; to &#39;driver&#39; status.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The TD needed a new brake master cylinder which I install=
ed just before the overseas trip. It works great! So great in fact that it =
blew out the so-called seals on one &#39;new&#39; rear slave cylinder, spil=
ling brake fluid everywhere. I&#39;ll try to refrain from rude comments abo=
ut the &#39;new&#39; cylinder&#39;s country of origin but suffice to say, I=
&#39;m disappointed - again.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 One question for the MG brain trust: Will the gush of bra=
ke fluid within the drum have permanently damaged the new brake shoes&#39; =
linings, or can the shoes be washed clean with brake cleaner? Said another =
way; Should I order new brake shoes when I order the new slave cylinder?<br=
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The MGB just needs one more brake system bleed since it&#=
39;s all new and a few air bubbles are almost certainly hiding in obscure p=
laces. That&#39;s it for mechanical tweaks. Everything left to do is cosmet=
ic.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 With that all said, et me conclude by saying it&#39;s nic=
e to be back chatting.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Rick<br>
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From: PaulHunt73 <[email-masked]> aiHWd3tyfujavYSA7H7pPidCLqeJifO8BeaMApDFVuKnUhE/rkQvynnR9hbhmDFxlo4K0XRtXafKOxMIjtgVK2V+s+4g55KjAxQ=
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 08:19:31 +0000

You can probably getaway with cleaning brake fluid off with brake 
cleaner, less likely with axle oil.  I chose to replace mine though 
after seal weeps both sides, cleaned the drum, and after that they were 
awful - couldn't hold the car on a moderate slope. Several times I 
removed the drums and sanded down the high spots (funnily enough a 
program here last week on rebuilding a Spitfire - the Supermarine 
version! - had to do the same thing).  Since then and nine years later 
they are better but still not as good as the roadster when they were 
broadly comparable before.  I had previously replaced them in 1997 and 
don't recall any problems then.

PaulH.

On 13/11/2022 12:41, Richard Lindsay wrote:
> within the drum have permanently damaged the new brake shoes' linings, 
> or can the shoes be washed clean with brake cleaner? Said another way; 
> Should I order new brake shoes when I order the new slave cylinder?
>

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