Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that shouldn't be happening

From: Barney Gaylord via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 13:32:21 -0400

I recommend using Teflon O-rings in place of the original cork seals, 
no drip, no leak, no stick even after long storage, good for 
decades.  Find lots of SU carburetor service information for MGs 
here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/carb.htm

At 09:22 PM 8/20/2016 -0700, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:
>....
>My 62mga is having drinking problems. I put new fiber seals on I my 
>carbs and they are leaking. I dare not tighten any further as they 
>are obviously brass vs aluminum. Any suggestions? Should I soak the 
>fibers in oil?
>....

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From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:52:57 -0700

Thanks Barney. However, the point of leak is at the banjo bolts in the fuel
line. Sorry I wasn't clear.

C

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barney Gaylord [mailto:[email-masked]]
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:32 AM
> To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that shouldn't be happening
> 
> I recommend using Teflon O-rings in place of the original cork seals, no
drip, no
> leak, no stick even after long storage, good for decades.  Find lots of SU
> carburetor service information for MGs
> >carbs and they are leaking. I dare not tighten any further as they are
> >obviously brass vs aluminum. Any suggestions? Should I soak the fibers
> >in oil?
> >....

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From: Barney Gaylord via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 17:55:45 -0400

In that case, use new fiber seal washers and a BIG wrench.  They need 
to be very tight.  The big banjo bolt and threads will take a lot of 
torque.  If you ultimately over do it, end result may be a broken 
float cover, but it takes a lot of torque to do that.

> > I recommend using Teflon O-rings in place of the original cork 
> seals, no drip, no

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From: Peter Chast via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 22:29:50 -0400

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copper gaskets like a brake line?

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Peter Chast <[email-masked]> wrote:

> copper gaskets like a brake line?
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:16px">copper gaskets like a brake=
 line?</span><br><div><span style=3D"font-size:16px"><br></span></div></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 21, =
2016 at 10:28 PM, Peter Chast <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pchas=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">copper gaskets like a b=
rake line?</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Cla=
yton Kirkwood via Mgs <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks Barney. However, the point of leak is at th=
e banjo bolts in the fuel<br>
line. Sorry I wasn&#39;t clear.<br>
<br>
C<br>
<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Barney Gaylord [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>]<br>
&gt; Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:32 AM<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">crk@godble=
ssthe.us</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgs@a=
utox.team.net</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that shouldn&#39;t be happening<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I recommend using Teflon O-rings in place of the original cork seals, =
no<br>
drip, no<br>
&gt; leak, no stick even after long storage, good for decades.=C2=A0 Find l=
ots of SU<br>
&gt; carburetor service information for MGs<br>
&gt; here: <a href=3D"http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/carb.htm" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carb<wbr>s/carb.htm</a>=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; At 09:22 PM 8/20/2016 -0700, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;....<br>
&gt; &gt;My 62mga is having drinking problems. I put new fiber seals on I m=
y<br>
&gt; &gt;carbs and they are leaking. I dare not tighten any further as they=
 are<br>
&gt; &gt;obviously brass vs aluminum. Any suggestions? Should I soak the fi=
bers<br>
&gt; &gt;in oil?<br>
&gt; &gt;....<br>
<br>
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From: Barney Gaylord via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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Seal washers on the carb fuel feed banjo fittings=20
should be fiber washers.  The banjo fittings are=20
polarized, counterbored on one side and flat on=20
the other side.  Flat side must go toward the=20
float cover while counterbored side goes under the bolt head.

>On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Peter Chast=20

>On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Clayton=20

> > To:=20
> > leak, no stick even after long storage, good for decades.=C2  Find lots=
 of SU
> > here:=20
>=
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Seal washers on the carb fuel feed banjo fittings should be fiber
washers.&nbsp; The banjo fittings are polarized, counterbored on one side
and flat on the other side.&nbsp; Flat side must go toward the float
cover while counterbored side goes under the bolt head.<br><br>
<br>
At 10:29 PM 8/21/2016 -0400, Peter Chast via Mgs wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">copper gaskets like a brake
line?</blockquote><br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 10:28
PM, Peter Chast
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>

<dl>
<dd>copper gaskets like a brake line?</blockquote>
</dl><br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl>
<dd>On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>

<dl>
<dd>Thanks Barney. However, the point of leak is at the banjo bolts in
the fuel<br>

<dd>line. Sorry I wasn't clear.<br>
....</blockquote>
</dl>
</dl><br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl>
<dl>
<dd>&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>

<dd>&gt; From: Barney Gaylord
[<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" eudora=3D"autourl">
mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<br>

<dd>&gt; Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:32 AM<br>

<dd>&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>

<dd>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that shouldn't be happening<br>

<dd>&gt;<br>

<dd>&gt; I recommend using Teflon O-rings in place of the original cork
seals, no<br>

<dd>drip, no<br>

<dd>&gt; leak, no stick even after long storage, good for decades.=C2&nbsp;
Find lots of SU<br>

<dd>&gt; carburetor service information for MGs<br>

<dd>&gt; here:
<a href=3D"http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/carb.htm">
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/carb.htm</a></blockquote>
</dl>
</dl><br><br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">
<dl>
<dl>
<dd>&gt; At 09:22 PM 8/20/2016 -0700, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs
wrote:<br>

<dd>&gt; &gt;....<br>

<dd>&gt; &gt;My 62mga is having drinking problems. I put new fiber seals
on I my<br>

<dd>&gt; &gt;carbs and they are leaking. I dare not tighten any further
as they are<br>

<dd>&gt; &gt;obviously brass vs aluminum. Any suggestions? Should I soak
the fibers<br>

<dd>&gt; &gt;in oil?<br>

<dd>&gt; &gt;....
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Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:06:22 -0700

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No. I have 4 new fibers surrounding the banjos at the carb input. While =
I followed Barney=E2=80=99s tightening recommendation, I still seem to =
be leaking there and possibly at the flex tubing connection, and I =
really cranked good, to the point of no more turning. Still a little on =
the bowl to carb  body underneath on one side with all new rubbers =
there. I took apart and ensured that the bits were correctly ordered in =
the bodies with new corks, oiled and t-shirt scrubbed jets. I guess a =
little more finagling.=20

=20

C

=20

From: Peter Chast [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 7:30 PM
To: [email-masked]; MG list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that shouldn't be happening

=20

=20

=20

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Peter Chast <[email-masked] =

=20

On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs =

Thanks Barney. However, the point of leak is at the banjo bolts in the =
fuel
line. Sorry I wasn't clear.

C

> From: Barney Gaylord [mailto:[email-masked] =
> I recommend using Teflon O-rings in place of the original cork seals, =
no
drip, no
> leak, no stick even after long storage, good for decades.  Find lots =
of SU
> >carbs and they are leaking. I dare not tighten any further as they =
are
> >obviously brass vs aluminum. Any suggestions? Should I soak the =
fibers

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>No. I have 4 =
new fibers surrounding the banjos at the carb input. While I followed =
Barney=E2=80=99s tightening recommendation, I still seem to be leaking =
there and possibly at the flex tubing connection, and I really cranked =
good, to the point of no more turning. Still a little on the bowl to =
carb=C2=A0 body underneath on one side with all new rubbers there. I =
took apart and ensured that the bits were correctly ordered in the =
bodies with new corks, oiled and t-shirt scrubbed jets. I guess a little =
more finagling. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Peter Chast [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August =
21, 2016 7:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; MG list =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that =
shouldn't be happening<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>copper =
gaskets like a brake line?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Sun, =
Aug 21, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Peter Chast &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>copper gaskets like a brake =
line?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Sun, =
Aug 21, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks =
Barney. However, the point of leak is at the banjo bolts in the =
fuel<br>line. Sorry I wasn't clear.<br><br>C<br><br>&gt; -----Original =
Message-----<br>&gt; From: Barney Gaylord [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>]<br>&gt; Sent: Sunday, August =
21, 2016 10:32 AM<br>&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb =
leaks that shouldn't be happening<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I recommend using =
Teflon O-rings in place of the original cork seals, no<br>drip, =
no<br>&gt; leak, no stick even after long storage, good for =
decades.&nbsp; Find lots of SU<br>&gt; carburetor service information =
for MGs<br>&gt; here: <a =
href=3D"http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/carb.htm" =
target=3D"_blank">http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/carbs/carb.htm</a><br>&gt;<br=
>&gt;<br>&gt; At 09:22 PM 8/20/2016 -0700, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs =
wrote:<br>&gt; &gt;....<br>&gt; &gt;My 62mga is having drinking =
problems. I put new fiber seals on I my<br>&gt; &gt;carbs and they are =
leaking. I dare not tighten any further as they are<br>&gt; =
&gt;obviously brass vs aluminum. Any suggestions? Should I soak the =
fibers<br>&gt; &gt;in oil?<br>&gt; =
&gt;....<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><b=
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From: Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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Yes. I've looked at Barney's web page, verified my carb assembly is correct
w/ exception of possibly two copper washers inside the assembly. I've
mighty-torqued:<) the hose to bowl top and the hose to banjo joints with
limited success. I tightened the bowl to carb pieces  largely with success
but still have leakages. The fiber washers on the lipped banjo to hose
connections are seeming a bit wide to fit well inside the lip. I'll try
grinding the outer diameter down to fit in better.

C

From: W. David Houser [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:06 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that shouldn't be happening

Where are you having the leaking problem? The gas line banjo bolt seals, the
float bowl mounting bolt or the jet assembly?

On Aug 21, 2016, at 12:22 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs <[email-masked]

My 62mga is having drinking problems. I put new fiber seals on I my carbs
and they are leaking. I dare not tighten any further as they are obviously
brass vs aluminum. Any suggestions? Should I soak the fibers in oil? 

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Yes. =
I&#8217;ve looked at Barney&#8217;s web page, verified my carb assembly =
is correct w/ exception of possibly two copper washers inside the =
assembly. I&#8217;ve mighty-torqued:&lt;) the hose to bowl top and the =
hose to banjo joints with limited success. I tightened the bowl to carb =
pieces&nbsp; largely with success but still have leakages. The fiber =
washers on the lipped banjo to hose connections are seeming a bit wide =
to fit well inside the lip. I&#8217;ll try grinding the outer diameter =
down to fit in better.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> W. =
David Houser [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, =
August 22, 2016 9:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mgs] carb leaks that =
shouldn't be happening<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Where are =
you having the leaking problem? The gas line banjo bolt seals, the float =
bowl mounting bolt or the jet assembly?<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Aug 21, 2016, at 12:22 AM, Clayton Kirkwood via Mgs =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>My 62mga is =
having drinking problems. I put new fiber seals on I my carbs and they =
are leaking. I dare not tighten any further as they are obviously brass =
vs aluminum. Any suggestions? Should I soak the fibers in oil?<span =
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