Subject: Re: [Mgs] No Go Mystery

From: Gordie Bird via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 08:25:23 -0400

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I=E2=80=99ve seen the coil fail intermittently, seems fine when cold, but f=
ails when warm.  You have coil mounted on inner fender or bracket (like 160=
0), right?  Unlikely all plug wires would fail at same time, but,  if the c=
oil wire was bad=E2=80=A6
Have you checked spark once coil heats up?  Weak coil possibly producing a =
weak or no spark when hot?
Sudden failure as you describe; to me would indicate something in the elect=
rics.
I=E2=80=99d throw my spare coil, then condenser, then coil wire at it and s=
ee what happens.

Good luck!

Gordie
=E2=80=9962 MGA

From: Robert J. Guinness via Mgs
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 8:05 PM
To: MG List
Subject: [Mgs] No Go Mystery

While on a long drive in the hinterlands of KY in my 1960 MGA with a 3-main=
 1800 MGB engine, I nearly ran out of gas after about 170 miles that day.=
=C2=A0 I found a gas station and refueled (the gas had alcohol and I usuall=
y run non-alcohol gas).=C2=A0 About 30 miles later, the car started to lose=
 power and then quit. Figured it was a clogged fuel line, but fuel was pump=
ing out of the fuel line at the rear carb and there was gas in both float b=
owls. Cleaned out both float bowls.=C2=A0 Had spark from the coil and to al=
l plugs.=C2=A0 Had just replaced spark plugs and gapped them to spec two da=
ys previously. Regapped points (1 year old 25D distributor). Nothing.=C2=A0=
 Sprayed starting fluid in the carbs.=C2=A0 Nothing. Locals towed me back t=
o town. Locals played with wires under the bonnet at the coil as I politely=
 batted them away.=C2=A0 As a last ditch effort, I advanced the timing and =
it caught at high revs!=C2=A0 Drove a few miles, but lost power as I accele=
rated and stopped.=C2=A0 Stripped and reattached coil wire to harness.=C2=
=A0 Started, drove a couple of miles, faded, and stopped. Towed it home.=C2=
=A0 At home, it started reluctantly.=C2=A0 It drove for a couple of miles a=
nd it faded and quit. Gas=C2=A0 in rear carb float bowl but no gas at the f=
ront carb float bowl. Blew air from fuel pump back to gas tank with audible=
 air flow at the gas tank.=C2=A0 Replaced the float bowl needle and seat at=
 the front carb.=C2=A0 Fuel pumping nicely at both front and rear carbs.=C2=
=A0 Have spark from the coil and to all plugs. Static timed.=C2=A0 Nothing,=
 doesn't even try to catch. I do not have a fuel filter other than stock sl=
eeve in the fuel pump. No odd sounds. I am stupefied ( except for the possi=
bility of clogged jets, but if so why wouldn=E2=80=99t it start with starte=
r fluid).=C2=A0 If it is the coil or condensor, why am I getting spark?=C2=
=A0 Why would advancing the timing get it to go at such high revs that one =
time, but normal timing gives you nothing at all, not even a spit? Do I hav=
e a cam flat spot problem? How have I angered the British engineering gods?=
=C2=A0 Any hints or diagnostic suggestions?=C2=A0 I have also posted to the=
 MG experience folks
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Robert Guinness

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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ve seen the coil fail inte=
rmittently, seems fine when cold, but fails when warm.=C2=A0 You have coil =
mounted on inner fender or bracket (like 1600), right?=C2=A0 Unlikely all p=
lug wires would fail at same time, but, =C2=A0if the coil wire was bad=E2=
=80=A6</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Have you checked spark once coil heats up?=
=C2=A0 Weak coil possibly producing a weak or no spark when hot?</p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal>Sudden failure as you describe; to me would indicate somethin=
g in the electrics.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99d throw my spare coil=
, then condenser, then coil wire at it and see what happens.</p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Good luck!</p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Gordie</p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=9962 MGA<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;b=
order-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:mgs@aut=
ox.team.net">Robert J. Guinness via Mgs</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, May 3,=
 2016 8:05 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">MG List</=
a><br><b>Subject: </b>[Mgs] No Go Mystery</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>While on a long drive in the hinterlands =
of KY in my 1960 MGA with a 3-main 1800 MGB engine, I nearly ran out of gas=
 after about 170 miles that day.&nbsp; I found a gas station and refueled (=
the gas had alcohol and I usually run non-alcohol gas).&nbsp; About 30 mile=
s later, the car started to lose power and then quit. Figured it was a clog=
ged fuel line, but fuel was pumping out of the fuel line at the rear carb a=
nd there was gas in both float bowls. Cleaned out both float bowls.&nbsp; H=
ad spark from the coil and to all plugs.&nbsp; Had just replaced spark plug=
s and gapped them to spec two days previously. Regapped points (1 year old =
25D distributor). Nothing.&nbsp; Sprayed starting fluid in the carbs.&nbsp;=
 Nothing. Locals towed me back to town. Locals played with wires under the =
bonnet at the coil as I politely batted them away.&nbsp; As a last ditch ef=
fort, I advanced the timing and it caught at high revs!&nbsp; Drove a few m=
iles, but lost power as I accelerated and stopped.&nbsp; Stripped and reatt=
ached coil wire to harness.&nbsp; Started, drove a couple of miles, faded, =
and stopped. Towed it home.&nbsp; At home, it started reluctantly.&nbsp; It=
 drove for a couple of miles and it faded and quit. Gas&nbsp; in rear carb =
float bowl but no gas at the front carb float bowl. Blew air from fuel pump=
 back to gas tank with audible air flow at the gas tank.&nbsp; Replaced the=
 float bowl needle and seat at the front carb.&nbsp; Fuel pumping nicely at=
 both front and rear carbs.&nbsp; Have spark from the coil and to all plugs=
. Static timed.&nbsp; Nothing, doesn't even try to catch. I do not have a f=
uel filter other than stock sleeve in the fuel pump. No odd sounds. I am st=
upefied ( except for the possibility of clogged jets, but if so why wouldn=
=E2=80=99t it start with starter fluid).&nbsp; If it is the coil or condens=
or, why am I getting spark?&nbsp; Why would advancing the timing get it to =
go at such high revs that one time, but normal timing gives you nothing at =
all, not even a spit? Do I have a cam flat spot problem? How have I angered=
 the British engineering gods?&nbsp; Any hints or diagnostic suggestions?&n=
bsp; I have also posted to the MG experience folks</span><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times =
New Roman",serif'>-- <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Robert Guinness</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;<=
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From: Jim Tinkham via Mgs <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 08:42:26 -0400

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I like Gordie=E2=80=99s thought, I=E2=80=99ve seen coils do the same.  Some=
thing else to
look at if the coil is good is the alternator, the one on my C wasn=E2=80=
=99t
rebuilt properly and would fail at higher temps causing similar symptoms.

Tink

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Gordie Bird via Mgs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> I=E2=80=99ve seen the coil fail intermittently, seems fine when cold, but=
 fails
> when warm.  You have coil mounted on inner fender or bracket (like 1600),
> right?  Unlikely all plug wires would fail at same time, but,  if the coi=
l
> wire was bad=E2=80=A6
>
> Have you checked spark once coil heats up?  Weak coil possibly producing =
a
> Sudden failure as you describe; to me would indicate something in the
> electrics.
>
> I=E2=80=99d throw my spare coil, then condenser, then coil wire at it and=
 see what
> happens.
>
>
>
> Good luck!
>
>
>
> Gordie
>
> =E2=80=9962 MGA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Robert J. Guinness via Mgs <[email-masked]>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 3, 2016 8:05 PM
> *To: *MG List <[email-masked]>
> *Subject: *[Mgs] No Go Mystery
>
>
>
> While on a long drive in the hinterlands of KY in my 1960 MGA with a
> 3-main 1800 MGB engine, I nearly ran out of gas after about 170 miles tha=
t
> day.  I found a gas station and refueled (the gas had alcohol and I usual=
ly
> run non-alcohol gas).  About 30 miles later, the car started to lose powe=
r
> and then quit. Figured it was a clogged fuel line, but fuel was pumping o=
ut
> of the fuel line at the rear carb and there was gas in both float bowls.
> Cleaned out both float bowls.  Had spark from the coil and to all plugs.
> Had just replaced spark plugs and gapped them to spec two days previously=
.
> Regapped points (1 year old 25D distributor). Nothing.  Sprayed starting
> fluid in the carbs.  Nothing. Locals towed me back to town. Locals played
> with wires under the bonnet at the coil as I politely batted them away.  =
As
> a last ditch effort, I advanced the timing and it caught at high revs!
> Drove a few miles, but lost power as I accelerated and stopped.  Stripped
> and reattached coil wire to harness.  Started, drove a couple of miles,
> faded, and stopped. Towed it home.  At home, it started reluctantly.  It
> drove for a couple of miles and it faded and quit. Gas  in rear carb floa=
t
> bowl but no gas at the front carb float bowl. Blew air from fuel pump bac=
k
> to gas tank with audible air flow at the gas tank.  Replaced the float bo=
wl
> needle and seat at the front carb.  Fuel pumping nicely at both front and
> rear carbs.  Have spark from the coil and to all plugs. Static timed.
> Nothing, doesn't even try to catch. I do not have a fuel filter other tha=
n
> stock sleeve in the fuel pump. No odd sounds. I am stupefied ( except for
> the possibility of clogged jets, but if so why wouldn=E2=80=99t it start =
with
> starter fluid).  If it is the coil or condensor, why am I getting spark?
> Why would advancing the timing get it to go at such high revs that one
> time, but normal timing gives you nothing at all, not even a spit? Do I
> have a cam flat spot problem? How have I angered the British engineering
> gods?  Any hints or diagnostic suggestions?  I have also posted to the MG
> experience folks
>
> --
>
> Robert Guinness
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I like Gordie=E2=80=99s thought, I=E2=80=99ve seen coils d=
o the same.=C2=A0 Something else to look at if the coil is good is the alte=
rnator, the one on my C wasn=E2=80=99t rebuilt properly and would fail at h=
igher temps causing similar symptoms.<div><br></div><div>Tink</div></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 4, 2016=
 at 8:25 AM, Gordie Bird via Mgs <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=
=3D"#954F72"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ve seen the coil fail in=
termittently, seems fine when cold, but fails when warm.=C2=A0 You have coi=
l mounted on inner fender or bracket (like 1600), right?=C2=A0 Unlikely all=
 plug wires would fail at same time, but, =C2=A0if the coil wire was bad=E2=
=80=A6</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have you checked spark once coil heats up?=
=C2=A0 Weak coil possibly producing a weak or no spark when hot?</p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">Sudden failure as you describe; to me would indicate someth=
ing in the electrics.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99d throw my spare =
coil, then condenser, then coil wire at it and see what happens.</p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Good luck!</=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gor=
die</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=80=9962 MGA<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=
=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Robert J. Guinness via Mg=
s</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, May 3, 2016 8:05 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">MG List</a><br><b>Subject: </=
b>[Mgs] No Go Mystery</p></div><span class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">While on a long d=
rive in the hinterlands of KY in my 1960 MGA with a 3-main 1800 MGB engine,=
 I nearly ran out of gas after about 170 miles that day.=C2=A0 I found a ga=
s station and refueled (the gas had alcohol and I usually run non-alcohol g=
as).=C2=A0 About 30 miles later, the car started to lose power and then qui=
t. Figured it was a clogged fuel line, but fuel was pumping out of the fuel=
 line at the rear carb and there was gas in both float bowls. Cleaned out b=
oth float bowls.=C2=A0 Had spark from the coil and to all plugs.=C2=A0 Had =
just replaced spark plugs and gapped them to spec two days previously. Rega=
pped points (1 year old 25D distributor). Nothing.=C2=A0 Sprayed starting f=
luid in the carbs.=C2=A0 Nothing. Locals towed me back to town. Locals play=
ed with wires under the bonnet at the coil as I politely batted them away.=
=C2=A0 As a last ditch effort, I advanced the timing and it caught at high =
revs!=C2=A0 Drove a few miles, but lost power as I accelerated and stopped.=
=C2=A0 Stripped and reattached coil wire to harness.=C2=A0 Started, drove a=
 couple of miles, faded, and stopped. Towed it home.=C2=A0 At home, it star=
ted reluctantly.=C2=A0 It drove for a couple of miles and it faded and quit=
. Gas=C2=A0 in rear carb float bowl but no gas at the front carb float bowl=
. Blew air from fuel pump back to gas tank with audible air flow at the gas=
 tank.=C2=A0 Replaced the float bowl needle and seat at the front carb.=C2=
=A0 Fuel pumping nicely at both front and rear carbs.=C2=A0 Have spark from=
 the coil and to all plugs. Static timed.=C2=A0 Nothing, doesn&#39;t even t=
ry to catch. I do not have a fuel filter other than stock sleeve in the fue=
l pump. No odd sounds. I am stupefied ( except for the possibility of clogg=
ed jets, but if so why wouldn=E2=80=99t it start with starter fluid).=C2=A0=
 If it is the coil or condensor, why am I getting spark?=C2=A0 Why would ad=
vancing the timing get it to go at such high revs that one time, but normal=
 timing gives you nothing at all, not even a spit? Do I have a cam flat spo=
t problem? How have I angered the British engineering gods?=C2=A0 Any hints=
 or diagnostic suggestions?=C2=A0 I have also posted to the MG experience f=
olks</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">-- =
<br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
in-bottom:12.0pt">Robert Guinness</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p></span></div></div><br>_____________________________________=
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From: Mark via Mgs <[email-masked]>
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    <p><tt>A few years back there was a bad run of ignition rotors
        released that fit many Brit distributors.  They would develop a
        spark path from the contact to the post grounding out the high
        voltage stopping the engine.  It was so bad that I had two fail
        and then carried several spares. I ended up handing them out to
        three friends that had on the road failures.  I finally found
        another brand that didn't have the problem but the name on the
        box has nothing to do with who made it.  However it seems that
        the one made by Airtex/Wells (RockAuto 4R1187 $3.45) was
        different and has worked well.  Now this may have nothing to do
        with your problem but the symptoms are similar enough to mention
        it.  Good luck!<br>
      </tt></p>
    <p><tt>Mark <br>
      </tt></p>
    <p><tt>Nashville</tt><br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/4/2016 7:25 AM, Gordie Bird via
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I’ve seen the coil fail intermittently,
          seems fine when cold, but fails when warm.  You have coil
          mounted on inner fender or bracket (like 1600), right? 
          Unlikely all plug wires would fail at same time, but,  if the
          coil wire was bad…</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Have you checked spark once coil heats up? 
          Weak coil possibly producing a weak or no spark when hot?</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Sudden failure as you describe; to me would
          indicate something in the electrics.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I’d throw my spare coil, then condenser,
          then coil wire at it and see what happens.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Good luck!</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Gordie</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">’62 MGA<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:
            </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:[email-masked]">Robert J. Guinness via
              Mgs</a><br>
            <b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, May 3, 2016 8:05 PM<br>
            <b>To: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:[email-masked]">MG List</a><br>
            <b>Subject: </b>[Mgs] No Go Mystery</p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,serif">While on a long drive in the hinterlands
            of KY in my 1960 MGA with a 3-main 1800 MGB engine, I nearly
            ran out of gas after about 170 miles that day.  I found a
            gas station and refueled (the gas had alcohol and I usually
            run non-alcohol gas).  About 30 miles later, the car started
            to lose power and then quit. Figured it was a clogged fuel
            line, but fuel was pumping out of the fuel line at the rear
            carb and there was gas in both float bowls. Cleaned out both
            float bowls.  Had spark from the coil and to all plugs.  Had
            just replaced spark plugs and gapped them to spec two days
            previously. Regapped points (1 year old 25D distributor).
            Nothing.  Sprayed starting fluid in the carbs.  Nothing.
            Locals towed me back to town. Locals played with wires under
            the bonnet at the coil as I politely batted them away.  As a
            last ditch effort, I advanced the timing and it caught at
            high revs!  Drove a few miles, but lost power as I
            accelerated and stopped.  Stripped and reattached coil wire
            to harness.  Started, drove a couple of miles, faded, and
            stopped. Towed it home.  At home, it started reluctantly. 
            It drove for a couple of miles and it faded and quit. Gas 
            in rear carb float bowl but no gas at the front carb float
            bowl. Blew air from fuel pump back to gas tank with audible
            air flow at the gas tank.  Replaced the float bowl needle
            and seat at the front carb.  Fuel pumping nicely at both
            front and rear carbs.  Have spark from the coil and to all
            plugs. Static timed.  Nothing, doesn't even try to catch. I
            do not have a fuel filter other than stock sleeve in the
            fuel pump. No odd sounds. I am stupefied ( except for the
            possibility of clogged jets, but if so why wouldn’t it start
            with starter fluid).  If it is the coil or condensor, why am
            I getting spark?  Why would advancing the timing get it to
            go at such high revs that one time, but normal timing gives
            you nothing at all, not even a spit? Do I have a cam flat
            spot problem? How have I angered the British engineering
            gods?  Any hints or diagnostic suggestions?  I have also
            posted to the MG experience folks</span><span
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Robert
          Guinness</p>
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