From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 18:43:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFFB42868 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:43:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AAB42273 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:43:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id em20so14167805lab.0 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 17:40:42 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=Xt0TkVrMsnBOQA2NIV+WQgLXv4XqohecRe58w4yg5jo=; b=EXJvf5p0D4JTtaXtOo8nzjpHSjXlMvi2Zfcz6ZV3WMHTVIzkA0yBoYXUbWnJ+Z2NmK zRSdKaxoBArr99GbI55Rl805uogk3x4uu1O17KfTsrhGhs+PY4350wfHO3dw77579Zne TbJ4nFcI42s+OYgJ7XKEMXOXw3oMrfW+VlObpJHT5xKIpx9KF+hwGjCaFBqOR5iX+eXh 9j3qm/TFQt0h+WU8GPNaqX+UbcDZz+fEbPWO92Apn42Fb7BdEUxOXvWxCfI1lElUHspr 75bC5+v1fOSMDj+iv2qGfKr4COvUpBp3/Ir/P+qlSkLdyk947se0TH1N3WEjPh52hWN7 2lQA== Received: by 10.152.103.99 with SMTP id fv3mr55659775lab.16.1357522841817; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 17:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.68.135 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:40:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:40:41 -0600 From: "gunnellj tds.net" To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] membership Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I had been a member of the list but have not used it in a long time. At that time my email was Gunnellj@athenet.net My email today is Gunnellj@TDS.net I do not recall my password. I tried to have you send it, but the password is associated with the oold email that no longer works. How can I get back in? -- "Gunner" John Gunnell PO Box 87 Iola, WI 54945 Ph: 715-445-4262 Cell: 715-281-5925 LIVIN' THE DREAM Please visit Gunner's Great Garage Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at www.gunnersgreatgarage.com Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly (digital), Auto Enthusiast (print), Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance Garage, Garage Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great Garage News (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car Review, Smoke Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Gearhead News, Keith Lasrsen Show Newstalk 1110 / WBLT Radio Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy Broadcasting System's Legends of Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & Occasional Others. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 6 18:54:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD6A4287D for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:54:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29444258E for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 18:50:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fp12so13772461lab.41 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 17:47:32 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=HFKo9f8+oOvoTocsqqF9Ogsul1t9zCsrc4Mgg/xgpwc=; b=ZG5hB35OuiOU/X9VhEt+TubRvzFiJC2T3rZijiZgd9U3Yo/cNiq88y9ckJrLPuISFA UPP3tiLh5X3RF/LBHdhjbIp7qa4HXCyT3+vKlrb0KoNs774ecpIfLaJ2NMmbHCtpV+n1 gcvdwKp6EM4j5ogg8tdxEXtnqfLAi1pjpF7jS/EGeZkZmD0DxTktnjFxzuT2lCO9Mjxf juhduGeCEgxios3Gy0KWycjxCLkZgDy0vV+ocNaypXCDNO9mZqiBKDaebc/0/zZMOeCf J+QEnsCbZwKVkbIfLCWbW2J9Bq+qCDYpH+2HaXrIW5oklBTxJZEY8sFhcHE/IOA17PyM sz9w== Received: by 10.112.36.165 with SMTP id r5mr11613132lbj.112.1357523252409; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 17:47:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.68.135 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jan 2013 17:47:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:47:32 -0600 From: "gunnellj tds.net" To: Mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Renew membership Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Been a long time. i would like to renew my membership. If I am still a member I need to know my password and how to sign in. -- "Gunner" John Gunnell PO Box 87 Iola, WI 54945 Ph: 715-445-4262 Cell: 715-281-5925 LIVIN' THE DREAM Please visit Gunner's Great Garage Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at www.gunnersgreatgarage.com Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly (digital), Auto Enthusiast (print), Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance Garage, Garage Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great Garage News (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car Review, Smoke Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Gearhead News, Keith Lasrsen Show Newstalk 1110 / WBLT Radio Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy Broadcasting System's Legends of Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & Occasional Others. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 17:00:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC99424A5 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:00:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.251]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270AD40410 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:59:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.90.51] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2013 23:55:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.44] by tm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2013 23:55:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2013 23:55:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358726155; bh=Sy/CmehaY7aclZr84ajF94oAo6T5+tMPQWfHVnpUDVg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=g23Ud+iBFALsjz0sqqmztoXXPZL471sn3LKJCy8O2CH4kjQGyCQSbF2LBlvZb/NnOZkW6Q2LFk3FnJRc0v3wqLCXXPx6sAOogcvelXCUI/InUO5lCYpAVTx6auq2z6maHUw4mFf+cXRo0XmnXl1fvq7qJMtXKsjvdF1ghl0CBKQ= pmj3ZsvLfsoOtA7Jni5oHvSi3g9lR0kX282cD6vCpVRueT2XoeTMVNCj.PJw .qYz3ZHZe.qGtqYrqqiTjGHw_XDB3Qlu4cjEC.X1L3VtUD6CaYnLr65YT.2_ BwTwK8z8TOkPvnetEGMv_4zJaIK.9chumhEdoe_pHK4K_R2d2KHGznqa7VEr .Y24VkMp7SsARuj9hVVfevdkpGuoq08mPEaK5CyrhQ2zJDKPv8dG28qeDQ_6 zJXjnOohQpcU0LYBW3av7gQVqFr5uQ47lIeAfypLwpZ.qml5erPnp.4iunFI YRSmuMnOpjEhDp3XjHvd4iQOg1AExS2RXMltLa3C_I7CIQv.Be1gkO4zejUZ dNJUnkJzqGJtYkbft4k6qFMHcycD9CLGITuPBkUhhU7tqauW1RAhyCAlQIb5 _XpvPHh3KZks9j_tO Received: from bboffice (wbeech@96.26.3.50 with login) by smtp112.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2013 15:55:55 -0800 PST From: "Wbeech" To: "'mg-t'" Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:55:50 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac33aavyoAQZNPvlQWiZCu5EJIk3lQ== Subject: [Mg-t] Seatbelt anchor placement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I am ready to install seatbelts in the TD, where are the strongest points to attach the seatbelt hooks? Thanks, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 20 19:36:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D65A40437 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:36:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75931403F7 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:36:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id ec20so1377956lab.23 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:32:32 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=qDpii1oTmuXSh8ozUWDalClRio5NIYIHT1wFoh/naco=; b=KaiNlZ+KVPb08Ck1sAhl2vaIRMPy8uq/NPlACCigSKWLNMZMAmqSUDDLOMZ5Xivn// XEZfOtiKL76GwBOAoInTogoUS+nn1B2YeuMb9LlwDUPjzfGmrf1T+TMwMeWHUWRF8GR7 4s8kzdD9Sa4bVjcXzTcFtv6l0SPs3fjtO1epi8Ig+xijCbqFuXd6SJQPn5llS7uZ7SFH BZPbVZZ6fy1KcKH9rXrnU0lAym+Ggh4g6nkbrfbv+vXOBrHL4CGwzaNebKxPraiEyYzU GkDcVg9fwDfhen0oQwN8jp3WmS/fx2fHrl4+lLo9SF2TD3O+nKqLodtr7UeNHW1HB5xD TdNg== lm20mr15667213lab.42.1358735552251; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:32:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.95.40 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:32:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:32:31 -0600 From: "gunnellj tds.net" To: Mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] TF Body Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I should know the answer to this but I don't. Some years ago a member of Fox Cities British Car Club told me he took the body off his MG TF over the winter. It was a nice car but he wanted to freshen the running gear. He told me it was esy to do and said he only had to take out 16 bolts to remove the body. Was he making it easier than it sounds? The reason I ask is that I am writing a series of articles about fixing up my three T Series cars. The TF was supposed to ge a "rolling restoration" like people did years ago. But in the fall of 2011 I discovered that the rear body support was cracked (the same as the one shown in the photos you sent) and also the board in front of the gas tank is rotted so soft you can push your fingers into it. If I can I am looking for the fastest, easiest way to fix these without taking the car totally apart. I have removed two TD bodies and thought it was somewhat difficult. I don't think that doing a TF is any easier. What's your opiion? -- "Gunner" John Gunnell PO Box 87 Iola, WI 54945 Ph: 715-445-4262 Cell: 715-281-5925 LIVIN' THE DREAM Please visit Gunner's Great Garage Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at www.gunnersgreatgarage.com Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly (digital), Auto Enthusiast (print), Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance Garage, Garage Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great Garage News (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car Review, Smoke Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Gearhead News, Keith Lasrsen Show Newstalk 1110 / WBLT Radio Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy Broadcasting System's Legends of Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & Occasional Others. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 03:33:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29864249A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:33:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F154042B for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:33:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20130121102916.YFBQ17200.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:29:16 +0000 Received: from cypress ([86.8.152.135]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20130121102916.UHXK8396.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@cypress>; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:29:16 +0000 From: "Clive Sherriff" To: "gunnellj tds.net" , References: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:29:16 -0000 cv=AUhbpHVS+xhHrj9wLCYAQoYnFLYUZdbP8UM0GmH2jwk= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=Gs_J0NPePjEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=5Bwo4ec7AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=5NGJ7tRWAAAA:8 a=V_dgsoH2AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=b00V8_4MECATLZM2UzcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rcqMbX8PMdsA:10 a=CEX7KmiTlSwA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=I77azVGnNwAA:10 a=ysOedpSL54oA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=RNcfyblLq8QpudGA:21 a=UyY6VT9I_ygA90A_:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TF Body Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Well, it's technically "easy" but it takes a lot of time and effort. You won't do it in a weekend! There are a lot of other panels etc to get off before you even get to the 16 bolts. As for the 16 bolts, they may be the ones that hold the body to the chassis, but he seems to have forgotten to mention the other couple hundred, the wiring, engine controls, fuel lines and a lot more. Clive ============================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "gunnellj tds.net" To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:32 AM Subject: [Mg-t] TF Body Removal > I should know the answer to this but I don't. > Some years ago a member of Fox Cities British Car Club told me he took the > body off his MG TF over the winter. It was a nice car but he wanted to > freshen the running gear. He told me it was esy to do and said he only had > to take out 16 bolts to remove the body. > Was he making it easier than it sounds? > The reason I ask is that I am writing a series of articles about fixing up > my three T Series cars. The TF was supposed to ge a "rolling restoration" > like people did years ago. But in the fall of 2011 I discovered that the > rear body support was cracked (the same as the one shown in the photos you > sent) and also the board in front of the gas tank is rotted so soft you > can > push your fingers into it. > If I can I am looking for the fastest, easiest way to fix these without > taking the car totally apart. > I have removed two TD bodies and thought it was somewhat difficult. I > don't think that doing a TF is any easier. What's your opiion? > > > -- > > "Gunner" > > John Gunnell > PO Box 87 > Iola, WI 54945 > Ph: 715-445-4262 > Cell: 715-281-5925 > > LIVIN' THE DREAM > > Please visit Gunner's Great Garage > > Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery > > E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 > > Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) > > Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at www.gunnersgreatgarage.com > > Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com > > > > Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars > Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly (digital), > Auto Enthusiast (print), Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, > Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance Garage, Garage > Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great Garage News > (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car Review, Smoke > Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Gearhead News, > Keith Lasrsen Show Newstalk 1110 / WBLT Radio Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy > Broadcasting System's Legends of Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & > Occasional Others. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 03:45:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB07424D8 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:45:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4ED940553 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:44:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qaec1k0010vyq2s59agQiK; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:40:24 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([98.229.243.26]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qagP1k0060atUmS3RagQ5g; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:40:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 05:40:24 -0500 From: Bud Krueger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15 To: Clive Sherriff References: <43626699C6A84302A4F98CE32816CF45@cypress> s=q20121106; t=1358764824; bh=tRNl7YbSyF8add+H43oA8sbB4MsAmE2QRJ6tJWbNnQA=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=MBvE3M1JEEXJkIqYAXyHHcpmpYXexyuMtj3kXU0uXkMzgf1DmguycVm+tXPhjoa12 D1XGhiPHyhKfKEtCWR4Hy2Du5CWmqfPKd86C791hSd0eJyauVOSjz3rasMVkTxiaCR WTzOXeSw9DDnBnaAsNGH0z6x2RftR1DnjzFXhqu61tAL+MiongM2LiCF0TIvUDHudU e3v92Xho7nWeMpk1inRpb9eXQqBUpcpQcGDiKIqFsmlPuEGvL8PULoBCF0X20JUd+S lJddlJi/KqmJMbjSKKTpKvNOhIoBafvt9djrRmd2CuYNGiFC7NYqdo6JFmZVbhgpB8 Q0XefrE5Ely9g== Cc: Mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TF Body Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net That's probably right for removing the bare tub. But, as Clive said, it takes a lot of work to get down to the bare tub. Bud Clive Sherriff wrote: > Well, it's technically "easy" but it takes a lot of time and effort. > You won't do it in a weekend! > > There are a lot of other panels etc to get off before you even get to > the 16 bolts. > > As for the 16 bolts, they may be the ones that hold the body to the > chassis, but he seems to have forgotten to mention the other couple > hundred, the wiring, engine controls, fuel lines and a lot more. > > Clive > ============================== > ----- Original Message ----- From: "gunnellj tds.net" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 2:32 AM > Subject: [Mg-t] TF Body Removal > > >> I should know the answer to this but I don't. >> Some years ago a member of Fox Cities British Car Club told me he >> took the >> body off his MG TF over the winter. It was a nice car but he wanted to >> freshen the running gear. He told me it was esy to do and said he >> only had >> to take out 16 bolts to remove the body. >> Was he making it easier than it sounds? >> The reason I ask is that I am writing a series of articles about >> fixing up >> my three T Series cars. The TF was supposed to ge a "rolling >> restoration" >> like people did years ago. But in the fall of 2011 I discovered that the >> rear body support was cracked (the same as the one shown in the >> photos you >> sent) and also the board in front of the gas tank is rotted so soft >> you can >> push your fingers into it. >> If I can I am looking for the fastest, easiest way to fix these without >> taking the car totally apart. >> I have removed two TD bodies and thought it was somewhat difficult. I >> don't think that doing a TF is any easier. What's your opiion? >> >> >> -- >> >> "Gunner" >> >> John Gunnell >> PO Box 87 >> Iola, WI 54945 >> Ph: 715-445-4262 >> Cell: 715-281-5925 >> >> LIVIN' THE DREAM >> >> Please visit Gunner's Great Garage >> >> Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery >> >> E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 >> >> Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) >> >> Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at www.gunnersgreatgarage.com >> >> Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com >> >> >> >> Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars >> Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly >> (digital), >> Auto Enthusiast (print), Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, >> Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance Garage, >> Garage >> Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great Garage News >> (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car Review, Smoke >> Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Gearhead News, >> Keith Lasrsen Show Newstalk 1110 / WBLT Radio Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy >> Broadcasting System's Legends of Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & >> Occasional Others. >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/budkrueger@comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 21 14:59:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D53C42549 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:59:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 19AEB40405 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:59:28 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1358805319; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=RbzvlkNP18yuXun8mjhw+9xj0neKmOjHkDfmPt1ygk+Uqw/DA5KZbS1kZwTG5qG3b zkNTEfx2V95atgrrK9D02bUmYO50jyXQZDNnHCkgRCSaIvc8Nh22hpOpzz0bxdORpf POz1h1VEphNuyJOXp0fYT9A2cB0E+V++/jTPoryY= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJR5QJMAYWWXDS for (sender ); Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:53:12 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:53:12 GMT To: wbeech@flash.net Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Seatbelt anchor placement Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net The seemingly strongest way I have seen them attached is with eye bolts passed through the floor plywood, then through the links of a chain looked around the chassis tube. A weaker way is for the belt bolt to pass through the plywood, then through thick washers hooked behind the floorboard supports. Opinions vary about crash benefits of belts in TDs. Some suggest that a passenger would be kept in the car, there to be lobotomised by glove box knob or wiper motor. Horst Schach's three point belt design in his book would seem to answer that worry, though it looks like hard work. Something to consider when placing the belts is some way to keep the belt metal from chipping paint on the running board when passenger gets out of the car. Some passengers can get two paint chips with every opening. I am repainting my car this winter, and am thinking about some sort of shock cord retractor that will keep the metal clip from flipping out the door, perhaps with the cord tied to the belt material at the clip, then lead to a pulley in the outboard rear corner of the seat and secured near the tunnel. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Wbeech" To: "'mg-t'" Subject: [Mg-t] Seatbelt anchor placement Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:55:50 -0600 I am ready to install seatbelts in the TD, where are the strongest points to attach the seatbelt hooks? Thanks, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 08:58:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27B94245B for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:58:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB7640555 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:56:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id fo13so583600lab.10 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:52:11 -0800 (PST) d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=+X5MQ48ToU8riaoYFP4GzV4H4g0nvxtd6bXaJqRG9sM=; b=iIzX8p9kgWLFIuTVBg+5bsdGWdGn4pEEbgNJ0Qr/6+vadnzqERbJTUWyNwcY37YwDI GZLmwhHF/9+IoQV5mVnwyVJZtnchWcL5cCdB1d3yy1ZbHX551hmgY97p7Lc99GUcoYLh 4md45sFJd2WOoQtk0tHm2Qlwy8lzZZaDg+k/mJMMxJFCB9G0q/0ggGyPfPZecu/WLVUC 7CG/ZT9/9FnPOCT9bWWwCjTGKxD5ftLO0bCnyp+THYOzYESqRNqxtf4Ug0NXzsFp1CSw zG2eIBx7+pjgYPxADe0hpqCQxO9b1ZT/8zzSpd8xBQuUNSecz/U2fJhTh+6M0XCQjwah Sglw== h2mr2671891lbo.39.1358869931105; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.95.40 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:52:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:52:10 -0600 From: "gunnellj tds.net" To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Front Shock Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net We have both Griling and Armstrong shocks that Worlwide has rebuilt and are wanting to put one pair on the 1950 MG TD "hot rod" we are doing. The car will have a Ford V8-60 flathead engine. Question 1 - Is either design better for this application? The Armstrongs "look" better as the filer caps match the back shocks. But that doesn't mean they work better. Question 2 - It seems that Moss no longer stocks the bolts to hold the Armstrong shocks to the frame and we have lost track of our bolts. In a quick test it almost seems like either 10 mm fine bolts or 3/8-in. fine bolts will thread far enough into the holes, but the test bolts are old and cruddy and we can't be sure. Does either of these sizes work or do we have to find a source of Whitworth fasteners? If we used the 10 mm or 3/8-in. fine should we re-tap the holes to whatever size? Thanks for any help. -- "Gunner" John Gunnell PO Box 87 Iola, WI 54945 Ph: 715-445-4262 Cell: 715-281-5925 LIVIN' THE DREAM Please visit Gunner's Great Garage Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at www.gunnersgreatgarage.com Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly (digital), Auto Enthusiast (print), Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance Garage, Garage Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great Garage News (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car Review, Smoke Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Gearhead News, Keith Lasrsen Show Newstalk 1110 / WBLT Radio Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy Broadcasting System's Legends of Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & Occasional Others. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 09:12:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F791403DA for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:12:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EA5403D3 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:08:16 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FVr1LKYC50FL+klCT2l3wPeu6QyV8lr9524onifVWLNd2fQYBZHut97aeMMZJXnl; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.186.193.132] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TxgKU-0004eR-58; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:04:06 -0500 From: John Seim Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:04:05 -0800 References: To: "gunnellj tds.net" Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Front Shock Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net The bolts are 3/8"-20 BSF. The ones for the Armstrongs are shorter than those used for Girlings, as Girlings had a thicked mounting base. You will need one longer one, for the engine steady bracket. There is a round spacer, that goes on top of the shock base for the Armstrongs, between the damper and the bracket. Actually, either design is OK. Girlings have a cast iron body, and do not wear. Armstrongs, with either pot metal or aluminum bodies, tend to wear a little. That only matters when you rebuild them. Moss Motors sells 3/8" BSF bolts. I believe that they were 1 1/4" long for Armstrong, with the exception of the one with the bracket. That I believe was 1 3/4" long. John Seim Irvine, CA On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:52 AM, gunnellj tds.net wrote: > We have both Griling and Armstrong shocks that Worlwide has rebuilt and are > wanting to put one pair on the 1950 MG TD "hot rod" we are doing. The car > will have a Ford V8-60 flathead engine. > Question 1 - Is either design better for this application? The Armstrongs > "look" better as the filer caps match the back shocks. But that doesn't > mean they work better. > Question 2 - It seems that Moss no longer stocks the bolts to hold the > Armstrong shocks to the frame and we have lost track of our bolts. In a > quick test it almost seems like either 10 mm fine bolts or 3/8-in. fine > bolts will thread far enough into the holes, but the test bolts are old and > cruddy and we can't be sure. > Does either of these sizes work or do we have to find a source of Whitworth > fasteners? > If we used the 10 mm or 3/8-in. fine should we re-tap the holes to whatever > size? > Thanks for any help. > > > -- > > "Gunner" > > John Gunnell > PO Box 87 > Iola, WI 54945 > Ph: 715-445-4262 > Cell: 715-281-5925 > > LIVIN' THE DREAM > > Please visit Gunner's Great Garage > > Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery > > E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 > > Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) > > Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at www.gunnersgreatgarage.com > > Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com > > > > Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars > Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly (digital), > Auto Enthusiast (print), Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, > Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance Garage, Garage > Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great Garage News > (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car Review, Smoke > Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Gearhead News, > Keith Lasrsen Show Newstalk 1110 / WBLT Radio Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy > Broadcasting System's Legends of Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & > Occasional Others. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 09:26:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F324245B for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:26:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85FB403D5 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:23:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qzhN1k0011uE5Es554KSM4; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:19:26 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r4KS1k0062ymm843c4KSwl; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:19:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:19:26 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: John Seim s=q20121106; t=1358871566; bh=AtCggnmxBsYxPa355AAshvB4QkfHDuYJhs1w6W6BqUo=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=PKB43Jmya929Ku7yQT4Hj1DpK8HesJqSnklyFNeWrYM2WZWImWQV8AmuL6SiH8pCo HpOxuf99+tstkZVBk97o3VhsN66pxLk3qd4HJLJAbz/8H/1nVDREVkHCHFVUGK9oS7 patDVNYJsVNPWXSRTRHYmGJc+PO0OMM7H/dB3nwKz4DlKw/arFBj7tPfGDEqc4kdkC Iv7fZQ/uuEOMdoWSpWL+iR3CiflfykDJGJQhUol9ufvcJGPsw+rTjUy9HmbFu4IKsb g33BLsjQTuQHOx3VlzS2B3IZxahEaghBIYp59Q2w/twGV9K6SemxqlkOhTnFQ4VG/B WflV6UCbbmM3Q== Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Front Shock Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Weren't the wing stampings changed to accommodate the Armstrong shocks? I seem to recall that the Armstrong shocks won't clear the early wings. But my memory's failed me before. B And, by the way, retapping the mounting holes to US or metric threads would certainly weaken the structure. B Ed Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Seim" To: "gunnellj tds.net" Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:04:05 AM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Front Shock Bolts The bolts are 3/8"-20 BSF. The ones for the Armstrongs are shorter than those used for Girlings, as Girlings had a thicked mounting base. You will need one longer one, for the engine steady bracket. There is a round spacer, that goes on top of the shock base for the Armstrongs, between the damper and the bracket. Actually, either design is OK. Girlings have a cast iron body, and do not wear. Armstrongs, with either pot metal or aluminum bodies, tend to wear a little. That only matters when you rebuild them. Moss Motors sells 3/8" BSF bolts. I believe that they were 1 1/4" long for Armstrong, with the exception of the one with the bracket. That I believe was 1 3/4" long. John Seim Irvine, CA On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:52 AM, gunnellj tds.net wrote: > We have both Griling and Armstrong shocks that Worlwide has rebuilt and are > wanting to put one pair on the 1950 MG TD "hot rod" we are doing. The car > will have a Ford V8-60 flathead engine. > Question 1 - Is either design better for this application? The Armstrongs > "look" better as the filer caps match the back shocks. But that doesn't > mean they work better. > Question 2 - It seems that Moss no longer stocks the bolts to hold the > Armstrong shocks to the frame and we have lost track of our bolts. In a > quick test it almost seems like either 10 mm fine bolts or 3/8-in. fine > bolts will thread far enough into the holes, but the test bolts are old and > cruddy and we can't be sure. > Does either of these sizes work or do we have to find a source of Whitworth > fasteners? > If we used the 10 mm or 3/8-in. fine should we re-tap the holes to whatever > size? > Thanks for any help. > > > -- > > "Gunner" > > John Gunnell > PO Box 87 > Iola, WI 54945 > Ph: 715-445-4262 > Cell: 715-281-5925 > > LIVIN' THE DREAM > > Please visit Gunner's Great Garage > > Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery > > E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 > > Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) > > Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at B www.gunnersgreatgarage.com > > Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com > > > > Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars > Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly (digital), > Auto Enthusiast (print), B Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, > Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance Garage, Garage > Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great Garage News > (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car Review, Smoke > Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Gearhead News, > Keith Lasrsen Show Newstalk 1110 / WBLT Radio B Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy > Broadcasting System's Legends of Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & > Occasional Others. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation B $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/fogbro1@comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 09:44:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3916940E9C for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:44:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09DF40564 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 16:36:00 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.240] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 16:36:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 16:36:00 -0000 s=s1024; t=1358872560; bh=Q0rzK8tXgaBt4uRQd1BiOQKVgyU8Lv8Q5PmBPD+OhWg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=POt/EUvwb2AY3F6VtMooyEhgkB4eNc8eiVhYbVy2W3sgb3adihD/YpUEzLKjn5IgYG7iNo41IeloLzlvCepmuxPVIrK8gYEbnUAkKBmTF6uDEEhwWwF8EaB8jB53EgOEB3vxyH6t1hxeukH6VOfUasv9irq5GqCZo8G8PzY+6HE= R8CpYuHPVSHoybA2uwR.lRwCNnCPX9NCR8cGZT3Mn2WihVyyK..e1Ah70b3P 7TRW.qH0PcyryNlZ4KfDKzOkfQ5taDGNgUEBLkDd2AL5pkD0agefMFM2jUuh ofQfSNitEcSrkTjik584WnmKaASX1cr3pgOEHLOixmwDTxSnotrVutAdN9Dt C2H_CKDyJ5pcqqlnGOVb7iLe.SRCA8LNffrNsiD_M4hzhsrmW1lUknrg7cut IqsuGvTxn5K_FKbaPSJZsnyaRTsAdu61up3B5mqKkiULQSLaRdT7OTXu9ltK 7t9uUesAmQlOgp7vG4NsPFD6MCV_MjcBOJ6EQxGBi7X8xOAwk_dv1uKAci2r OESD7DLMroptypPtWfsYzzcdBMNik6j4CJD.krpoAo7iX2G30rJnQatty67f 2EluDBAJ92JpMHuXU7kQ_WSZdzUKRYi_M3PGbwD42dc2C93M.HM47nQcXBNm iEZ5KVDWbFIHW7orBfhbbxVBnUIbVbEnORUZeSuitETZ9LfMreCfZdgW8H_C TInhH.QNKC3PtANO.aYdIm6Eh72ZLIBEQXXM5vH0doVEgR2P7dnJQviYmRzi 7AJHg9oVjzpcLt0b5XFVMiD.fAn9sTRiN7a0- Received: from [127.0.0.1] (chillmog@99.9.234.42 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2013 08:36:00 -0800 PST Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:35:59 -0600 From: Charles Hill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Front Shock Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Stick with the original thread. British size hardware is available. You can't just run to Home Depot and pick up some. Try British Fasteners (www.*britishfasteners*.com/.) They have a good selection at reasonable prices. BTW, if it is a fine thread it isn't Whitworth. Whitworth is a coarse thread. The fine threads are British Standard Fine (BSF). The British Fasteners website also has has good charts and information on the different threads including the BA threads you will find in the electrical equipment. Charles Hill On 1/22/2013 9:52 AM, gunnellj tds.net wrote: > We have both Griling and Armstrong shocks that Worlwide has rebuilt and are > wanting to put one pair on the 1950 MG TD "hot rod" we are doing. The car > will have a Ford V8-60 flathead engine. > Question 1 - Is either design better for this application? The Armstrongs > "look" better as the filer caps match the back shocks. But that doesn't > mean they work better. > Question 2 - It seems that Moss no longer stocks the bolts to hold the > Armstrong shocks to the frame and we have lost track of our bolts. In a > quick test it almost seems like either 10 mm fine bolts or 3/8-in. fine > bolts will thread far enough into the holes, but the test bolts are old and > cruddy and we can't be sure. > Does either of these sizes work or do we have to find a source of Whitworth > fasteners? > If we used the 10 mm or 3/8-in. fine should we re-tap the holes to whatever > size? > Thanks for any help. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 14:41:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D52B40EAE for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:41:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE4F403F5 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:34:41 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=F3tdKrqVqre/ekVXKyqac2kr6LfV1ZS/IjhOjjQbmdpFRns2m59oho3hAUGOU2zh; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.186.193.132] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Txgk2-0001d7-93; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:30:30 -0500 From: John Seim Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:30:29 -0800 References: <1829650782.224113.1358871566046.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> To: fogbro1@comcast.net Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Front Shock Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net The hole positions are the same for the front shocks, Girling or Armstrong. The rear hole positions are different. The later front wings have a hump in them, to accommodate the taller Armstrong shocks. Yes, retapping the threaded holes to US or metric will weaken the threads. John Seim Irvine, CA On Jan 22, 2013, at 8:19 AM, fogbro1@comcast.net wrote: > Weren't the wing stampings changed to accommodate the Armstrong shocks? I seem to recall that the Armstrong shocks won't clear the early wings. But my memory's failed me before. > > And, by the way, retapping the mounting holes to US or metric threads would certainly weaken the structure. > > Ed Woods > > From: "John Seim" > To: "gunnellj tds.net" > Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:04:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Front Shock Bolts > > The bolts are 3/8"-20 BSF. > The ones for the Armstrongs are shorter than those used for Girlings, > as Girlings had a thicked mounting base. You will need one longer one, > for the engine steady bracket. There is a round spacer, that goes on top > of the shock base for the Armstrongs, between the damper and the bracket. > > Actually, either design is OK. Girlings have a cast iron body, and do not > wear. > Armstrongs, with either pot metal or aluminum bodies, tend to wear a little. > That only matters when you rebuild them. > > Moss Motors sells 3/8" BSF bolts. I believe that they were 1 1/4" long for > Armstrong, > with the exception of the one with the bracket. That I believe was 1 3/4" > long. > > John Seim > Irvine, CA > > On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:52 AM, gunnellj tds.net wrote: > > > We have both Griling and Armstrong shocks that Worlwide has rebuilt and are > > wanting to put one pair on the 1950 MG TD "hot rod" we are doing. The car > > will have a Ford V8-60 flathead engine. > > Question 1 - Is either design better for this application? The Armstrongs > > "look" better as the filer caps match the back shocks. But that doesn't > > mean they work better. > > Question 2 - It seems that Moss no longer stocks the bolts to hold the > > Armstrong shocks to the frame and we have lost track of our bolts. In a > > quick test it almost seems like either 10 mm fine bolts or 3/8-in. fine > > bolts will thread far enough into the holes, but the test bolts are old and > > cruddy and we can't be sure. > > Does either of these sizes work or do we have to find a source of Whitworth > > fasteners? > > If we used the 10 mm or 3/8-in. fine should we re-tap the holes to whatever > > size? > > Thanks for any help. > > > > > > -- > > > > "Gunner" > > > > John Gunnell > > PO Box 87 > > Iola, WI 54945 > > Ph: 715-445-4262 > > Cell: 715-281-5925 > > > > LIVIN' THE DREAM > > > > Please visit Gunner's Great Garage > > > > Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery > > > > E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 > > > > Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) > > > > Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at www.gunnersgreatgarage.com > > > > Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com > > > > > > > > Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars > > Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly (digital), > > Auto Enthusiast (print), Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, > > Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance Garage, Garage > > Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great Garage News > > (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car Review, Smoke > > Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Gearhead News, > > Keith Lasrsen Show Newstalk 1110 / WBLT Radio Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy > > Broadcasting System's Legends of Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & > > Occasional Others. > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/fogbro1@comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 22 14:41:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534BB42571 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:41:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5472740533 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:31:52 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1358886460; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=SyFXnY442CSvRYd4xE03IRv6GORXhhzq5rqm/mr3m+VR+QI74iuFNakGvspp8bDLP 08OUaQqsODS+lWJvAwtl7BMMRk9xQONq6G2JwH2IcfMFuCnoVyWOpYw+NOKXApnmi7 jlhz8aTUpWXfacQ4/WyR2t3TjbdGNjPECBsRjthY= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABJR77SPAH8SJG2 for (sender ); Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:25:31 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:25:31 GMT To: fogbro1@comcast.net Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Front Shock Bolts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, wings were altered to fit the Armstrongs. I have seen Girling wings on cars with Armstrongs, but it has been a tight fit at best, and there may have been spacers involved. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: John Seim Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Front Shock Bolts Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Weren't the wing stampings changed to accommodate the Armstrong shocks? I seem to recall that the Armstrong shocks won't clear the early wings. But my memory's failed me before. B And, by the way, retapping the mounting holes to US or metric threads would certainly weaken the structure. B Ed Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Seim" To: "gunnellj tds.net" Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:04:05 AM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Front Shock Bolts The bolts are 3/8"-20 BSF. The ones for the Armstrongs are shorter than those used for Girlings, as Girlings had a thicked mounting base. You will need one longer one, for the engine steady bracket. There is a round spacer, that goes on top of the shock base for the Armstrongs, between the damper and the bracket. Actually, either design is OK. Girlings have a cast iron body, and do not wear. Armstrongs, with either pot metal or aluminum bodies, tend to wear a little. That only matters when you rebuild them. Moss Motors sells 3/8" BSF bolts. I believe that they were 1 1/4" long for Armstrong, with the exception of the one with the bracket. That I believe was 1 3/4" long. John Seim Irvine, CA On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:52 AM, gunnellj tds.net wrote: > We have both Griling and Armstrong shocks that Worlwide has rebuilt and are > wanting to put one pair on the 1950 MG TD "hot rod" we are doing. The car > will have a Ford V8-60 flathead engine. > Question 1 - Is either design better for this application? The Armstrongs > "look" better as the filer caps match the back shocks. But that doesn't > mean they work better. > Question 2 - It seems that Moss no longer stocks the bolts to hold the > Armstrong shocks to the frame and we have lost track of our bolts. In a > quick test it almost seems like either 10 mm fine bolts or 3/8-in. fine > bolts will thread far enough into the holes, but the test bolts are old and > cruddy and we can't be sure. > Does either of these sizes work or do we have to find a source of Whitworth > fasteners? > If we used the 10 mm or 3/8-in. fine should we re-tap the holes to whatever > size? > Thanks for any help. > > > -- > > "Gunner" > > John Gunnell > PO Box 87 > Iola, WI 54945 > Ph: 715-445-4262 > Cell: 715-281-5925 > > LIVIN' THE DREAM > > Please visit Gunner's Great Garage > > Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery > > E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 > > Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) > > Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at B www.gunnersgreatgarage.com > > Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com > > > > Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars > Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly (digital), > Auto Enthusiast (print), B Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, > Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance Garage, Garage > Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great Garage News > (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car Review, Smoke > Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Gearhead News, > Keith Lasrsen Show Newstalk 1110 / WBLT Radio B Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy > Broadcasting System's Legends of Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & > Occasional Others. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation B $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/fogbro1@comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 10:28:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE008424CE for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:28:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com (mail-wg0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9748424AC for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:21:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fm10so456914wgb.21 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:16:42 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bhAsF5ZQrYIHZXt0FpFNZTLY9C2pgc8FKoXjHeHN9uQ=; b=VsZLIGC2UYu35cPtPs/JjRJ9PjwBwGobDGpvPwiUhvqp5rS85g7nweMBerL5NnkZao PlygJ3j7aY17/jOSlrS6sOJ/JrzWWP+41PPaGdq3PA9WSN/OzIJHg/G+Ufu2H/QNOAIG M6c9srzzVjD+j48SXPSLvpqqLpyYi8Jz+CzaZlAD4medspfjIh0KHAxCSxbYcI8blB8x PYAAdR2XD573aTC15kufMpWo3O9D189RUlID2h+tx8MPZGeaXHaErzGLfykIDs51edzx ysazWUsoqnb8RBfvWthNR9sq/jICbD4hg+Hr/9adNSJfkyju2/glzeazF16Igy8Keew0 fJug== ff3mr3849935wib.21.1359479801870; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.125.12 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:16:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:16:41 -0500 From: JohnD To: MG T List Subject: [Mg-t] New N-type Magna Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I love coming across these old videos. The first of this series I had not seen before. Perhaps new to you as well. A silent movie couple pick-up their brand new N-type Magna at the works. Enjoy! http://www2.mgcars.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=mgbbs&exiturl=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv=W_KLEDwVuxs John Deikis *Driving in the past lane!* JohnsfollyVintageRacing ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 29 11:01:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C94A42593 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:01:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E28D42494 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:01:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id ABBE41C0000A1; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-msa001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.65]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 458E8E000094; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:56:56 -0500 (EST) References: To: johnsfolly@gmail.com, mg-t@autox.team.net From: taterry@aol.com Received: from 71.131.185.175 by Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.214) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:56:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:56:56 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359482216; bh=itGZ0M5SJz/Vbpte1LI931jRTkfMwQRiYFOmIK1i25k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JWZdAX6jo6xsqK35LRvGS4+nPdN/7LTCtZ6EuCkucU16zmMFYPKIiiFelB4XZTb9T nr3xg4XgMjpdj6CRgpOVjukToYFXLk8/x95R+GpOpsMnivxCJPwSQVz7ojrvTW4RKf DhzKEcIwoT7cv2m+KcShEqssrfmHWIo5+jKjF1rs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b51080d6871fc Subject: Re: [Mg-t] New N-type Magna Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I believe it's an F type. Terry -----Original Message----- From: JohnD To: MG T List Sent: Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:24 am Subject: [Mg-t] New N-type Magna I love coming across these old videos. The first of this series I had not seen before. Perhaps new to you as well. A silent movie couple pick-up their brand new N-type Magna at the works. Enjoy! http://www2.mgcars.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=mgbbs&exiturl=http://www.youtu be.com/watch%3Fv=W_KLEDwVuxs John Deikis *Driving in the past lane!* JohnsfollyVintageRacing ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/taterry@aol.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 31 19:11:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6A040549 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:11:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (imr-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.164]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960C440522 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:11:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5C9721C0000EA; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-msd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-msd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.1]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EF3E8E000088; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:06:18 -0500 (EST) To: mg-t@autox.team.net, mg-tabc@egroups.com From: taterry@aol.com Received: from 71.131.185.175 by Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.214) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:06:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:06:18 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1359684379; bh=sD64PR6j1SRXl2tdHfPYrgS4ajftmBAp3y+ZIedmCB0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J9t+FZgiietxFAG6YwUVPYnxwgNXTYfEEAukzYTnNEv4sWuNPHIRZ8ewg1n9NRb67 RLkReNa4DM8BAWcJOPTi6n1adTsJZCkuFvRg9BOZ1rlYzep3ar6MpgIboKgUL98d48 vSoTEClEz6lHEyG5i1iZuX/CH3lCGhFK+1DFB4qs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b510b231a6f95 Subject: [Mg-t] D lamp LED insert update. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Folks, I have 12 positive ground units left and 3 negative ground units left...they are selling very slowly and after these are gone, I doubt I will make more. If anyone wants to take over this enterprise, we can talk. Terry in Oakland, CA ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive