Subject: Re: [Healeys] Hello

From: Harold Manifold <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 08:29:43 -0800

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Hi Mike,

You're right, it has been unusually quiet on the list lately. Perhaps
everyone's Austin-Healey is running smoothly, or maybe they're tucked away
for the winter.

Best regards,
Harold

On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 8:24=E2=80=AFAM Mike Sinclair via Healeys <
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> Is it me, or is the list quiet?  I haven't seen anything for quite a whil=
e?
>
> Mike
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Mike,</div><div><br></div><div>You&#39;re right, i=
t has been unusually quiet on the list lately. Perhaps everyone&#39;s Austi=
n-Healey is running smoothly, or maybe they&#39;re tucked away for the wint=
er. </div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Harold </div><div><br=
></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 8:24=E2=80=AFAM Mike =
Sinclair via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">healeys@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
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    <p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">Is it me, or is the list quiet?=C2=
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        haven&#39;t seen anything for quite a while?</font></p>
    <p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">Mike<br>
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From: John Vrugtman via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 12:37:11 -0500

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Around here it's either snowing, raining, freezing, or all at the same time.

John
Hightown, VA

On 2/16/2025 11:29 AM, Harold Manifold wrote:
> everyone's Austin-Healey is running smoothly, or maybe they're tucked 
> away for the winter.
>
> Best regards,
> Harold
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> On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 8:24 AM Mike Sinclair via Healeys 
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>     a while?
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    Around here it's either snowing, raining, freezing, or all at the
    same time.<br>
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    John<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/16/2025 11:29 AM, Harold Manifold
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        <div>Hi Mike,</div>
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        <div>You're right, it has been unusually quiet on the list
          lately. Perhaps everyone's Austin-Healey is running smoothly,
          or maybe they're tucked away for the winter. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Best regards,</div>
        <div>Harold </div>
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            <p><font size="2" face="Tahoma">Is it me, or is the list
                quiet?  I haven't seen anything for quite a while?</font></p>
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 17:41:16 +0000 (UTC)

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 The list has been very quiet for a long time.How about a discussion about =
the cost of restoring a BN1?=C2=A0The metal work is About 90% done. The rem=
aining work includes final fitting all body panels, preparing for paint & f=
inal painting.Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior, f=
itting the windscreen, convertible top, side curtains including providing a=
ll material where necessary.=C2=A0Rebuild the engine including all the mach=
ining. I have all the necessary components.
Gary Hodson
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    On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike Sinclair via Heal=
eys <[email-masked]> wrote:  =20

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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The list has been very quiet for a long time.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">How about a discussion about the cost of restoring a BN1?&nbsp;</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The metal work is About 90% done. The remaining work includes final fitting all body panels, preparing for paint &amp; final painting.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the windscreen, convertible top, side curtains including providing all material where necessary.&nbsp;</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all the necessary components.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Gary Hodson</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">&nbsp;</div><div><br></div>
        
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        haven't seen anything for quite a while?</font></p>
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We need a good argument to bring everyone out of their holes.
How about whether or not fender flashes should be installed backwards in
the Southern hemisphere?
Also, I've never gotten a good answer as to why the dash was dropped from
Austin-Healey.

As for me, I've been pretty busy installing new door panels, etc. and doing
a bunch of interior stuff.
I leave for Sebring, FL on March 4 where I'm racing my Ginetta in the HSR
12-hour event.  My plan is to take the Auto-Train down and drive back on
the smaller roads of 17/301.
Auto-Train has a minimum ground-clearance requirement of 4" and I have a
good 4-1/4" between the back edge of the muffler and the floor.
It's been a while since I've done a road trip and I'm excited!

Best--Michael Oritt

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> Quiet for the moment!
> Fire it up and ask what oil should we use that has enough zddp in it.
> :-)
> I use Castrol GTX
> Regards,
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">We ne=
ed a good argument to bring everyone out of their holes.</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">How about whether or not fender fla=
shes should be installed backwards in the Southern hemisphere?</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Also, I&#39;ve never gotten a=
 good answer as to why the dash was dropped from Austin-Healey.</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">As for me, I&#39;ve been pretty busy ins=
talling new door panels, etc.=C2=A0and doing a bunch of interior stuff.</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I leave for Sebring,=
 FL on March 4 where I&#39;m racing my Ginetta in the HSR 12-hour event.=C2=
=A0 My plan is to take the Auto-Train down and drive back on the smaller ro=
ads of 17/301.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Au=
to-Train has a minimum ground-clearance requirement of 4&quot; and I have a=
 good 4-1/4&quot; between the back edge of the muffler and the floor.</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">It&#39;s been a while =
since I&#39;ve done a road trip and I&#39;m excited!=C2=A0</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 12:53=E2=80=AFPM Richard Collins &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
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Quiet for the moment!
<div>Fire it up and ask what oil should we use that has enough zddp in it. =
=C2=A0 :-)=C2=A0</div>
<div>I use Castrol GTX<br id=3D"m_1336106439822543929lineBreakAtBeginningOf=
Signature">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,
<div>Richard C</div>
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Very good question.
All the work that you describe requires an individual with significant
skill(s). These tasks are not something that your "run of the mill" parts
changer can undertake.  In our part of the world (Canada) those "parts
changers", without breaking a sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which
equates to $50/hr. $50/hr paid to the tradesman will typically be charged
out at an hourly rate of at least $100.
In my book a full restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually a lot more
to produce concours standards.
So labour ONLY $120K.
Parts and materials usually at least 50% of labour. $60K.
Incidentals at least another $20K
It's getting up there =F0=9F=98=B3=F0=9F=98=B3

M

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> The list has been very quiet for a long time.
> How about a discussion about the cost of restoring a BN1?
> The metal work is About 90% done. The remaining work includes final
> fitting all body panels, preparing for paint & final painting.
> Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the
> windscreen, convertible top, side curtains including providing all materi=
al
> where necessary.
> Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all the necessary
> components.
>
> Gary Hodson
>
>
>
> On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike Sinclair via Healey=
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<div dir=3D"auto">Very good question.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">All the work t=
hat you describe requires an individual with significant skill(s). These ta=
sks are not something that your &quot;run of the mill&quot; parts changer c=
an undertake.=C2=A0 In our part of the world (Canada) those &quot;parts cha=
ngers&quot;, without breaking a sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which eq=
uates to $50/hr. $50/hr paid to the tradesman will typically be charged out=
 at an hourly rate of at least $100.</div><div dir=3D"auto">In my book a fu=
ll restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually a lot more to produce con=
cours standards.</div><div dir=3D"auto">So labour ONLY $120K.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Parts and materials usually at least 50% of labour. $60K.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">Incidentals at least another $20K</div><div dir=3D"auto">It=
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mic Sans MS,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">The list has been very quiet for a long time.</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">How about a discussion about the cost of restoring a BN1?=
=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">The metal work is About 90% done. The remainin=
g work includes final fitting all body panels, preparing for paint &amp; fi=
nal painting.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding t=
he brakes, interior, fitting the windscreen, convertible top, side curtains=
 including providing all material where necessary.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all the necessar=
y components.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gary Hodson<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0</div><div><br></div=
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I have been helping a friend with the restoration of an early BN1 and yes i=
f one wants to do it properly, finding all the correct parts is difficult a=
nd time consuming. As far as the cost is concerned, it all depends how much=
 of it can one do himself and  how much is done by a restoration shop. The =
bodywork itself is but a small part of a restoration and no matter how good=
 your paintjob looks, the prep work beforehand and the alignment of ALL the=
 panels in relation to each other is really what makes a restoration.

Jean
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From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of warthodson--- v=
ia Healeys <[email-masked]>
Sent: February 16, 2025 5:41 PM
To: Healey List <[email-masked]>; Mike Sinclair <phoenix722@comcast=
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Hello

The list has been very quiet for a long time.
How about a discussion about the cost of restoring a BN1?
The metal work is About 90% done. The remaining work includes final fitting=
 all body panels, preparing for paint & final painting.
Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the win=
dscreen, convertible top, side curtains including providing all material wh=
ere necessary.
Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all the necessary co=
mponents.

Gary Hodson

On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike Sinclair via Healeys =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

Is it me, or is the list quiet?  I haven't seen anything for quite a while?

Mik

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I have been helping a friend with the restoration of an early BN1 and yes i=
f one wants to do it properly, finding all the correct parts is difficult a=
nd time consuming. As far as the cost is concerned, it all depends how much=
 of it can one do himself and&nbsp; how
 much is done by a restoration shop. The bodywork itself is but a small par=
t of a restoration and no matter how good your paintjob looks, the prep wor=
k beforehand and the alignment of ALL the panels in relation to each other =
is really what makes a restoration.</div>
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Jean</div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys-b=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of warthodson--- via Healeys &lt;healey=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> February 16, 2025 5:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Healey List &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Mike Sinclair &lt;ph=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The list has been very quiet for a l=
ong time.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">How about a discussion about the cos=
t of restoring a BN1?&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The metal work is About 90% done. Th=
e remaining work includes final fitting all body panels, preparing for pain=
t &amp; final painting.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Wiring, plumbing including rebuildin=
g the brakes, interior, fitting the windscreen, convertible top, side curta=
ins including providing all material where necessary.&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Rebuild the engine including all the=
 machining. I have all the necessary components.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>
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I have restored a BN1. The Four offers unique challenges compared with the =
Six, with a much longer stroke and but three main bearings. I would suggest=
 anyone count on a new steel crank, adding a harmonic balancer and lighter =
flywheel to lessen torsional stress on the crank, and an alloy head as most=
 originals are trash by now. Cost: an easy $20k with labor. Scary? Yes. But=
 that=E2=80=99s how to do if of you want an engine you can rely on and driv=
e as it was=C2=A0meant to be driven. The later Six really was an improvemen=
t overall and are known to be bulletproof for a reason. My two cents =E2=80=
=A6

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I have restored a BN1. The Four offers unique challenges compared with the =
Six, with a much longer stroke and but three main bearings. I would suggest=
 anyone count on a new steel crank, adding a harmonic balancer and lighter =
flywheel to lessen torsional stress on the crank, and an alloy head as most=
 originals are trash by now. Cost: an easy $20k with labor. Scary? Yes. But=
 that=E2=80=99s how to do if of you want an engine you can rely on and driv=
e as it was&nbsp;meant to be driven. The later Six really was an improvemen=
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><div dir=3D"ltr">How about a discussion about the cost of restoring a BN1?=
&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">The metal work is About 90% done. The remainin=
g work includes final fitting all body panels, preparing for paint &amp; fi=
nal painting.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding t=
he brakes, interior, fitting the windscreen, convertible top, side curtains=
 including providing all material where necessary.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all the necessar=
y components.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"lt=
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From: James Frey via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 18:10:18 -0500

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The costs you cite below are inexorably linked to the =E2=80=9CWhat to =
Do with our Healeys=E2=80=9D question that was also raised.  Over the =
last several years, I have restored/built 3 cars with most of the work =
done by a local shop (one of which was a Bugeye).  I needed to have most =
work performed by my shop.  Although my skills are moderate and I enjoy =
turning wrenches, my time available to do so has lessened in recent =
years. =20

Given the above circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times market =
value on the purchase price, work performed, parts, etc.  I consider =
myself lucky to have a trusted local shop, but depending on where you =
live (even assuming you are willing to spend the money), it can be =
extraordinarily difficult to get the cars serviced, let alone have =
significant restoration work done.  I also don=E2=80=99t see the value =
of most Healeys going up much, and it might go down given the (arguably) =
shrinking market/demographics for these cars. =20

So given my recent experience, as much as I might love to own a BJ8 and =
would consider myself =E2=80=9Ca trusted steward=E2=80=9D, paying =
significant dollars (even for a beautifully restored car) in a declining =
market might not be the best idea.  As for a car that =E2=80=9Cneeds =
work=E2=80=9D, I=E2=80=99m starting to feel like I=E2=80=99ve been there =
and done that a little too often.  Also, there are fun (more modern) =
cars out there for similar dollars that don=E2=80=99t present the same =
financial risk and difficulties in selling. =20

Lastly, I=E2=80=99m 61 (so not =E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=9D) and I think =
those that are younger than me are an even tougher sell.  I have 2 adult =
sons that have a moderate interest in cars and the =E2=80=9Cold cars=E2=80=
=9D they might have an interest in are probably from 2000-2010. =20

The market is undeniably softer than previously, but I actually think =
current values are a sellers market, even in the US.  With the potential =
for declining demand, it=E2=80=99s hard for me to see an improving =
Healey market over the next 10+ years. =20

Jim

> On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Salter =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Very good question.=20
> All the work that you describe requires an individual with significant =
skill(s). These tasks are not something that your "run of the mill" =
parts changer can undertake.  In our part of the world (Canada) those =
"parts changers", without breaking a sweat can easily pull in 6 figures =
which equates to $50/hr. $50/hr paid to the tradesman will typically be =
charged out at an hourly rate of at least $100.
> In my book a full restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually a lot =
more to produce concours standards.
> On Sun., Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, =
>> How about a discussion about the cost of restoring a BN1?=20
>> The metal work is About 90% done. The remaining work includes final =
>> Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting =
the windscreen, convertible top, side curtains including providing all =
material where necessary.=20
>> Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all the =
necessary components.
>>=20
>> Gary Hodson
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike Sinclair via =
>>=20
>>=20
>> Is it me, or is the list quiet?  I haven't seen anything for quite a =
while?
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div =
dir=3D"auto" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div dir=3D"auto" =
style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
line-break: after-white-space;"><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"overflow-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: =
after-white-space;"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;">The costs you cite =
below are inexorably linked to the =E2=80=9CWhat to Do with our =
Healeys=E2=80=9D question that was also raised. &nbsp;Over the last =
several years, I have restored/built 3 cars with most of the work done =
by a local shop (one of which was a Bugeye). &nbsp;I needed to have most =
work performed by my shop. &nbsp;Although my skills are moderate and I =
enjoy turning wrenches, my time available to do so has lessened in =
recent years. &nbsp;</span><div><span style=3D"font-size: =
14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;">Given the =
above circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times market value on the =
purchase price, work performed, parts, etc. &nbsp;I consider myself =
lucky to have a trusted local shop, but depending on where you live =
(even assuming you are willing to spend the money), it can be =
extraordinarily difficult to get the cars serviced, let alone have =
significant restoration work done. &nbsp;I also don=E2=80=99t see the =
value of most Healeys going up much, and it might go down given the =
(arguably) shrinking market/demographics for these cars. =
&nbsp;</span><div><span style=3D"font-size: =
14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;">So given =
my recent experience, as much as I might love to own a BJ8 and would =
consider myself =E2=80=9Ca trusted steward=E2=80=9D, paying significant =
dollars (even for a beautifully restored car) in a declining market =
might not be the best idea. &nbsp;As for a car that =E2=80=9Cneeds =
work=E2=80=9D, I=E2=80=99m starting to feel like I=E2=80=99ve been there =
and done that a little too often. &nbsp;Also, there are fun (more =
modern) cars out there for similar dollars that don=E2=80=99t present =
the same financial risk and difficulties in selling. =
&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: =
14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;">Lastly, =
I=E2=80=99m 61 (so not =E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=9D) and I think those that =
are younger than me are an even tougher sell. &nbsp;I have 2 adult sons =
that have a moderate interest in cars and the =E2=80=9Cold cars=E2=80=9D =
they might have an interest in are probably from 2000-2010. =
&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: =
14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;">The market =
is undeniably softer than previously, but I actually think current =
values are a sellers market, even in the US. &nbsp;With the potential =
for declining demand, it=E2=80=99s hard for me to see an improving =
Healey market over the next 10+ years. &nbsp;</span></div><div><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:=
 14px;">Jim</span></div><div><font size=3D"3"><br></font></div><div><font =
size=3D"3"><br =
id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"></font><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Salter =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"auto">Very good =
question.&nbsp;<div dir=3D"auto">All the work that you describe requires =
an individual with significant skill(s). These tasks are not something =
that your "run of the mill" parts changer can undertake.&nbsp; In our =
part of the world (Canada) those "parts changers", without breaking a =
sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which equates to $50/hr. $50/hr paid =
to the tradesman will typically be charged out at an hourly rate of at =
least $100.</div><div dir=3D"auto">In my book a full restoration takes =
1200 hours at least, usually a lot more to produce concours =
standards.</div><div dir=3D"auto">So labour ONLY $120K.</div><div =
dir=3D"auto">Parts and materials usually at least 50% of labour. =
$60K.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Incidentals at least another $20K</div><div =
dir=3D"auto">It's getting up there =F0=9F=98=B3=F0=9F=98=B3</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote =
gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun., =
Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div =
style=3D"font-family:Comic Sans =
MS,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">The list has been very quiet for a long =
time.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">How about a discussion about the cost of =
restoring a BN1?&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">The metal work is About 90% =
done. The remaining work includes final fitting all body panels, =
preparing for paint &amp; final painting.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Wiring, =
plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the =
windscreen, convertible top, side curtains including providing all =
material where necessary.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rebuild the engine =
including all the machining. I have all the necessary =
components.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Gary =
Hodson</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div><div><br></div>
       =20
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                        On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, =
Mike Sinclair via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
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                    </div>
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Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left:=
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If we really want to stimulate traffic on the site and don't mind feeling
suicidal let's discuss the probabilities of developing prostate cancer
(which I've had).
For me I'd rather read about something related to the use of our cars and I
still haven't seen a response to my question about thermostat gasket
sealant.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 9:01=E2=80=AFPM James Frey via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> The costs you cite below are inexorably linked to the =E2=80=9CWhat to Do=
 with our
> Healeys=E2=80=9D question that was also raised.  Over the last several ye=
ars, I
> have restored/built 3 cars with most of the work done by a local shop (on=
e
> of which was a Bugeye).  I needed to have most work performed by my shop.
> Although my skills are moderate and I enjoy turning wrenches, my time
> available to do so has lessened in recent years.
>
> Given the above circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times market value
> on the purchase price, work performed, parts, etc.  I consider myself luc=
ky
> to have a trusted local shop, but depending on where you live (even
> assuming you are willing to spend the money), it can be extraordinarily
> difficult to get the cars serviced, let alone have significant restoratio=
n
> work done.  I also don=E2=80=99t see the value of most Healeys going up m=
uch, and
> it might go down given the (arguably) shrinking market/demographics for
> these cars.
>
> So given my recent experience, as much as I might love to own a BJ8 and
> would consider myself =E2=80=9Ca trusted steward=E2=80=9D, paying signifi=
cant dollars (even
> for a beautifully restored car) in a declining market might not be the be=
st
> idea.  As for a car that =E2=80=9Cneeds work=E2=80=9D, I=E2=80=99m starti=
ng to feel like I=E2=80=99ve been
> there and done that a little too often.  Also, there are fun (more modern=
)
> cars out there for similar dollars that don=E2=80=99t present the same fi=
nancial
> risk and difficulties in selling.
>
> Lastly, I=E2=80=99m 61 (so not =E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=9D) and I think those=
 that are younger than me
> are an even tougher sell.  I have 2 adult sons that have a moderate
> interest in cars and the =E2=80=9Cold cars=E2=80=9D they might have an in=
terest in are
> probably from 2000-2010.
>
> The market is undeniably softer than previously, but I actually think
> current values are a sellers market, even in the US.  With the potential
> for declining demand, it=E2=80=99s hard for me to see an improving Healey=
 market
> over the next 10+ years.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.=
com>
> In my book a full restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually a lot
>> windscreen, convertible top, side curtains including providing all mater=
ial
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike Sinclair via
>> Healeys <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)=
">If we really want to stimulate traffic on the site and don&#39;t mind fee=
ling suicidal let&#39;s discuss the probabilities of developing prostate ca=
ncer (which I&#39;ve had).</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,255)">For me I&#39;d rather read about something related to the =
use of our cars and I still haven&#39;t seen a response to my question abou=
t thermostat gasket sealant.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"col=
or:rgb(51,51,255)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rg=
b(51,51,255)">Best--Michael Oritt</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"c=
olor:rgb(51,51,255)"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_qu=
ote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 a=
t 9:01=E2=80=AFPM James Frey via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@auto=
x.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">=
<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-size:14px">The costs you cite below a=
re inexorably linked to the =E2=80=9CWhat to Do with our Healeys=E2=80=9D q=
uestion that was also raised.=C2=A0 Over the last several years, I have res=
tored/built 3 cars with most of the work done by a local shop (one of which=
 was a Bugeye).=C2=A0 I needed to have most work performed by my shop.=C2=
=A0 Although my skills are moderate and I enjoy turning wrenches, my time a=
vailable to do so has lessened in recent years. =C2=A0</span><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">=
Given the above circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times market value o=
n the purchase price, work performed, parts, etc.=C2=A0 I consider myself l=
ucky to have a trusted local shop, but depending on where you live (even as=
suming you are willing to spend the money), it can be extraordinarily diffi=
cult to get the cars serviced, let alone have significant restoration work =
done.=C2=A0 I also don=E2=80=99t see the value of most Healeys going up muc=
h, and it might go down given the (arguably) shrinking market/demographics =
for these cars. =C2=A0</span><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span=
></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">So given my recent experience, a=
s much as I might love to own a BJ8 and would consider myself =E2=80=9Ca tr=
usted steward=E2=80=9D, paying significant dollars (even for a beautifully =
restored car) in a declining market might not be the best idea.=C2=A0 As fo=
r a car that =E2=80=9Cneeds work=E2=80=9D, I=E2=80=99m starting to feel lik=
e I=E2=80=99ve been there and done that a little too often.=C2=A0 Also, the=
re are fun (more modern) cars out there for similar dollars that don=E2=80=
=99t present the same financial risk and difficulties in selling. =C2=A0</s=
pan></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:14px">Lastly, I=E2=80=99m 61 (so not =E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=
=9D) and I think those that are younger than me are an even tougher sell.=
=C2=A0 I have 2 adult sons that have a moderate interest in cars and the =
=E2=80=9Cold cars=E2=80=9D they might have an interest in are probably from=
 2000-2010. =C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></sp=
an></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px">The market is undeniably softe=
r than previously, but I actually think current values are a sellers market=
, even in the US.=C2=A0 With the potential for declining demand, it=E2=80=
=99s hard for me to see an improving Healey market over the next 10+ years.=
 =C2=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:14px"><br></span></div><d=
iv><span style=3D"font-size:14px">Jim</span></div><div><font size=3D"3"><br=
></font></div><div><font size=3D"3"><br id=3D"m_-1184394919334468650lineBre=
akAtBeginningOfMessage"></font><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On F=
eb 16, 2025, at 2:16=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:micha=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"auto">Very good question.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto=
">All the work that you describe requires an individual with significant sk=
ill(s). These tasks are not something that your &quot;run of the mill&quot;=
 parts changer can undertake.=C2=A0 In our part of the world (Canada) those=
 &quot;parts changers&quot;, without breaking a sweat can easily pull in 6 =
figures which equates to $50/hr. $50/hr paid to the tradesman will typicall=
y be charged out at an hourly rate of at least $100.</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>In my book a full restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually a lot mor=
e to produce concours standards.</div><div dir=3D"auto">So labour ONLY $120=
K.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Parts and materials usually at least 50% of labou=
r. $60K.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Incidentals at least another $20K</div><div=
 dir=3D"auto">It&#39;s getting up there =F0=9F=98=B3=F0=9F=98=B3</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Sun., Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
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<div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">The list has been very quiet for a long time.</div=
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e928yahoo_quoted_0398894478"><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&=
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                        On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mi=
ke Sinclair via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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ydpaa12e928yiv3642250353">

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=C2=A0 I
        haven&#39;t seen anything for quite a while?</font></p><p><font siz=
e=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">Mik<br>
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Michael, Jim and All:

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Your comments below have me thinking about what I have valued in my =
Austin-Healeys, and by extension what others do, will, or might value in =
them =E2=80=93 as balanced against the costs of buying, restoring, =
upgrading or maintaining the cars.

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The Healey was never the fastest car I owned, and it was never the =
absolute best handling (though, the last BJ-8 with a new frame and gas =
shocks does handle pretty well). Obviously the Healey never had the most =
up-to-date safety features, and its exterior and dash lighting needed =
LED upgrades to perform even adequately. The list of things the cars =
were not is endless I compared to modern cars=E2=80=A6

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BUT: driving a Healey usually put a smile on my face, and it appeared to =
put smiles on a lot of other people=E2=80=99s faces when out and about. =
As you all know, you cannot drive one of these cars without getting =
smiles, waves, thumbs-up, casual nods, etc =E2=80=93 all acknowledging =
the wonderful looks the Healeys have!  If you park one, you will =
undoubtedly find your self in a conversation with someone who either had =
one and sold it, wished he had bought one way back when, wished he could =
buy one now, had an uncle who had one, or a cousin, or a =
friend=E2=80=99s dad, or, or, or=E2=80=A6 - you know how it goes! =20

=20

As much fun as it has been to drive my Healeys all over the US and =
Canada, as well as Norway, Denmark and Sweden =E2=80=93 I can say that =
maintaining the cars has been the sore spot for me, and I=E2=80=99m now =
at an age and physical condition where it=E2=80=99s somewhere between =
really-not-fun, really-not-practical and really-not-possible anymore. As =
such, this conversation hits home for me.

=20

SO =E2=80=93 what do I think about the future of Healey ownership? I =
suspect there will always be a small cadre of serious collectors who =
want and value cars that are as original as possible (whether =
=E2=80=9Cconcours=E2=80=9D level, or just plain nice cars!). The pool of =
cars that survive in such condition is shrinking gradually, but then so =
is the pool of such people!=20

=20

I also suspect that there is a substantial and growing group who would =
love the opportunity to have a car with the classic styling of an =
Austin-Healey, but the reliability and drivability of a modern car. =
=E2=80=9CModern=E2=80=9D in this context may well be a very plastic term =
=E2=80=93 meaning different things to different generations.  For =
today=E2=80=99s purposes I ask you all whether the future might be =
electric? An Austin-Healey that has good acceleration and brakes, good =
handling, no fluid leaks (!!) and far fewer to no 60 year-old parts to =
go bad =E2=80=93 all combined with the classic lines of the Healey.

=20

What do you say?

=20

-----------------------------------

All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of James Frey =
via Healeys
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2025 3:10 PM
To: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
Cc: Healey List <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Hello

=20

=20

=20

=20

Lastly, I=E2=80=99m 61 (so not =E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=9D) and I think =
those that are younger than me are an even tougher sell.  I have 2 adult =
sons that have a moderate interest in cars and the =E2=80=9Cold =
cars=E2=80=9D they might have an interest in are probably from =
2000-2010. =20

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=20

Jim

=20

=20

=20

Very good question.=20

So labour ONLY $120K.

=20

M

=20

=20

Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the =
windscreen, convertible top, side curtains including providing all =
material where necessary.=20

Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all the necessary =
components.

=20

Gary Hodson

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Mik

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>Michael, Jim and =
All:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>Your comments below =
have me thinking about what I have valued in my Austin-Healeys, and by =
extension what others do, will, or might value in them =E2=80=93 as =
balanced against the costs of buying, restoring, upgrading or =
maintaining the cars.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>The Healey was =
never the fastest car I owned, and it was never the absolute best =
handling (though, the last BJ-8 with a new frame and gas shocks does =
handle pretty well). Obviously the Healey never had the most up-to-date =
safety features, and its exterior and dash lighting needed LED upgrades =
to perform even adequately. The list of things the cars were not is =
endless I compared to modern cars=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>BUT: driving a =
Healey usually put a smile on my face, and it appeared to put smiles on =
a lot of other people=E2=80=99s faces when out and about. As you all =
know, you cannot drive one of these cars without getting smiles, waves, =
thumbs-up, casual nods, etc =E2=80=93 all acknowledging the wonderful =
looks the Healeys have!=C2=A0 If you park one, you will undoubtedly find =
your self in a conversation with someone who either had one and sold it, =
wished he had bought one way back when, wished he could buy one now, had =
an uncle who had one, or a cousin, or a friend=E2=80=99s dad, or, or, =
or=E2=80=A6 - you know how it goes!=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>As much fun as it =
has been to drive my Healeys all over the US and Canada, as well as =
Norway, Denmark and Sweden =E2=80=93 I can say that maintaining the cars =
has been the sore spot for me, and I=E2=80=99m now at an age and =
physical condition where it=E2=80=99s somewhere between really-not-fun, =
really-not-practical and really-not-possible anymore. As such, this =
conversation hits home for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>SO =E2=80=93 what =
do I think about the future of Healey ownership? I suspect there will =
always be a small cadre of serious collectors who want and value cars =
that are as original as possible (whether =E2=80=9Cconcours=E2=80=9D =
level, or just plain nice cars!). The pool of cars that survive in such =
condition is shrinking gradually, but then so is the pool of such =
people! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>I also suspect that =
there is a substantial and growing group who would love the opportunity =
to have a car with the classic styling of an Austin-Healey, but the =
reliability and drivability of a modern car. =E2=80=9CModern=E2=80=9D in =
this context may well be a very plastic term =E2=80=93 meaning different =
things to different generations.=C2=A0 For today=E2=80=99s purposes I =
ask you all whether the future might be electric? An Austin-Healey that =
has good acceleration and brakes, good handling, no fluid leaks (!!) and =
far fewer to no 60 year-old parts to go bad =E2=80=93 all combined with =
the classic lines of the Healey.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>What do you =
say?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All the =
best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>James =
Frey via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 16, 2025 3:10 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Salter =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Healey List =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] =
Hello<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>The costs you cite =
below are inexorably linked to the =E2=80=9CWhat to Do with our =
Healeys=E2=80=9D question that was also raised. &nbsp;Over the last =
several years, I have restored/built 3 cars with most of the work done =
by a local shop (one of which was a Bugeye). &nbsp;I needed to have most =
work performed by my shop. &nbsp;Although my skills are moderate and I =
enjoy turning wrenches, my time available to do so has lessened in =
recent years. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Given the above =
circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times market value on the =
purchase price, work performed, parts, etc. &nbsp;I consider myself =
lucky to have a trusted local shop, but depending on where you live =
(even assuming you are willing to spend the money), it can be =
extraordinarily difficult to get the cars serviced, let alone have =
significant restoration work done. &nbsp;I also don=E2=80=99t see the =
value of most Healeys going up much, and it might go down given the =
(arguably) shrinking market/demographics for these cars. =
&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>So given my recent =
experience, as much as I might love to own a BJ8 and would consider =
myself =E2=80=9Ca trusted steward=E2=80=9D, paying significant dollars =
(even for a beautifully restored car) in a declining market might not be =
the best idea. &nbsp;As for a car that =E2=80=9Cneeds work=E2=80=9D, =
I=E2=80=99m starting to feel like I=E2=80=99ve been there and done that =
a little too often. &nbsp;Also, there are fun (more modern) cars out =
there for similar dollars that don=E2=80=99t present the same financial =
risk and difficulties in selling. =
&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Lastly, I=E2=80=99m =
61 (so not =E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=9D) and I think those that are younger =
than me are an even tougher sell. &nbsp;I have 2 adult sons that have a =
moderate interest in cars and the =E2=80=9Cold cars=E2=80=9D they might =
have an interest in are probably from 2000-2010. =
&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>The market is =
undeniably softer than previously, but I actually think current values =
are a sellers market, even in the US. &nbsp;With the potential for =
declining demand, it=E2=80=99s hard for me to see an improving Healey =
market over the next 10+ years. =
&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Jim</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Salter =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Very good question.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>All the work that you describe requires an individual =
with significant skill(s). These tasks are not something that your =
&quot;run of the mill&quot; parts changer can undertake.&nbsp; In our =
part of the world (Canada) those &quot;parts changers&quot;, without =
breaking a sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which equates to $50/hr. =
$50/hr paid to the tradesman will typically be charged out at an hourly =
rate of at least $100.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>In =
my book a full restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually a lot more =
to produce concours standards.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So labour ONLY $120K.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Parts and materials usually at least 50% of labour. =
$60K.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Incidentals at least =
another $20K<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>It's getting =
up there <span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif'>&#128563;&#128563;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>M<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Sun., Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>The list =
has been very quiet for a long time.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>How about =
a discussion about the cost of restoring a =
BN1?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>The metal work is About 90% done. =
The remaining work includes final fitting all body panels, preparing for =
paint &amp; final painting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Wiring, =
plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the =
windscreen, convertible top, side curtains including providing all =
material where necessary.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Rebuild =
the engine including all the machining. I have all the necessary =
components.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Gary =
Hodson<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"m_6446190483034331511ydpaa12e928yahoo_quoted_0398894478"><div><div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike Sinclair via =
Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:49:42 -0500

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Conversion of Healeys to electric power is already happening.   I know =
of three BJ8s that were sold individually to England and a company in =
London called =E2=80=9CRevival Autos=E2=80=9D was doing that conversion. =
 They were also offering the original engine from one of the cars on =
eBay.  They also have an address in Naples, FL  and San Francisco
https://revivalautos
=20
Steve Byers
BJ8 Registry
AHCA Delegate at Large
=20
From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of =
[email-masked]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2025 6:52 PM
To: 'James Frey' <[email-masked]>; 'Michael Salter' =
<[email-masked]>
Cc: 'Healey List' <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Healeys] The Future of Healey Ownership
=20
Michael, Jim and All:
=20
Your comments below have me thinking about what I have valued in my =
Austin-Healeys, and by extension what others do, will, or might value in =
them =E2=80=93 as balanced against the costs of buying, restoring, =
upgrading or maintaining the cars.
=20
The Healey was never the fastest car I owned, and it was never the =
absolute best handling (though, the last BJ-8 with a new frame and gas =
shocks does handle pretty well). Obviously the Healey never had the most =
up-to-date safety features, and its exterior and dash lighting needed =
LED upgrades to perform even adequately. The list of things the cars =
were not is endless I compared to modern cars=E2=80=A6
=20
BUT: driving a Healey usually put a smile on my face, and it appeared to =
put smiles on a lot of other people=E2=80=99s faces when out and about. =
As you all know, you cannot drive one of these cars without getting =
smiles, waves, thumbs-up, casual nods, etc =E2=80=93 all acknowledging =
the wonderful looks the Healeys have!  If you park one, you will =
undoubtedly find your self in a conversation with someone who either had =
one and sold it, wished he had bought one way back when, wished he could =
buy one now, had an uncle who had one, or a cousin, or a =
friend=E2=80=99s dad, or, or, or=E2=80=A6 - you know how it goes! =20
=20
As much fun as it has been to drive my Healeys all over the US and =
Canada, as well as Norway, Denmark and Sweden =E2=80=93 I can say that =
maintaining the cars has been the sore spot for me, and I=E2=80=99m now =
at an age and physical condition where it=E2=80=99s somewhere between =
really-not-fun, really-not-practical and really-not-possible anymore. As =
such, this conversation hits home for me.
=20
SO =E2=80=93 what do I think about the future of Healey ownership? I =
suspect there will always be a small cadre of serious collectors who =
want and value cars that are as original as possible (whether =
=E2=80=9Cconcours=E2=80=9D level, or just plain nice cars!). The pool of =
cars that survive in such condition is shrinking gradually, but then so =
is the pool of such people!=20
=20
I also suspect that there is a substantial and growing group who would =
love the opportunity to have a car with the classic styling of an =
Austin-Healey, but the reliability and drivability of a modern car. =
=E2=80=9CModern=E2=80=9D in this context may well be a very plastic term =
=E2=80=93 meaning different things to different generations.  For =
today=E2=80=99s purposes I ask you all whether the future might be =
electric? An Austin-Healey that has good acceleration and brakes, good =
handling, no fluid leaks (!!) and far fewer to no 60 year-old parts to =
go bad =E2=80=93 all combined with the classic lines of the Healey.
=20
What do you say?
=20
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All the best,
=20
Al Fuller
=20
From: Healeys <[email-masked] =
Healeys
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2025 3:10 PM
To: Michael Salter <[email-masked] =

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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"envelope return"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"footnote reference"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"annotation reference"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"line number"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"page number"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"endnote reference"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"endnote text"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"table of authorities"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"macro"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"toa heading"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Bullet"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Number"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Bullet 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Bullet 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Bullet 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Bullet 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Number 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Number 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Number 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Number 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"10" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"Title"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Closing"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Signature"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"1" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Default Paragraph Font"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Body Text"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Body Text Indent"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Continue"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Continue 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Continue 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Continue 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"List Continue 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Message Header"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"11" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"Subtitle"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Salutation"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Date"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Body Text First Indent"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Body Text First Indent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Note Heading"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Body Text 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Body Text 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Body Text Indent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Body Text Indent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Block Text"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Hyperlink"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"FollowedHyperlink"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"22" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"Strong"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"20" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"Emphasis"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Document Map"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Plain Text"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"E-mail Signature"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"HTML Top of Form"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"HTML Bottom of Form"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Normal (Web)"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"HTML Acronym"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"HTML Address"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"HTML Cite"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"HTML Code"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"HTML Definition"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"HTML Keyboard"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"HTML Preformatted"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"HTML Sample"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"HTML Typewriter"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"HTML Variable"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Normal Table"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"annotation subject"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"No List"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Outline List 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Outline List 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Outline List 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Simple 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Simple 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Simple 3"/>
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UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Classic 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Classic 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Classic 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Classic 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Colorful 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Colorful 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Colorful 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Columns 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 7"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Grid 8"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 5"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 6"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 7"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table List 8"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table 3D effects 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table 3D effects 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table 3D effects 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Contemporary"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Elegant"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Professional"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Subtle 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Subtle 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Web 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Web 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Web 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Balloon Text"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"39" Name=3D"Table Grid"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" =
UnhideWhenUsed=3D"true" Name=3D"Table Theme"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" Name=3D"Placeholder =
Text"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"1" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"No Spacing"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"60" Name=3D"Light =
Shading"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"61" Name=3D"Light List"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"63" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"64" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"65" Name=3D"Medium List =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"66" Name=3D"Medium List =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"67" Name=3D"Medium Grid =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"68" Name=3D"Medium Grid =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"69" Name=3D"Medium Grid =
3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"70" Name=3D"Dark List"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"71" Name=3D"Colorful =
Shading"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"72" Name=3D"Colorful =
List"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful =
Grid"/>
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Accent 1"/>
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Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid =
Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"63" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
1 Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"64" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"65" Name=3D"Medium List 1 =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" SemiHidden=3D"true" Name=3D"Revision"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"34" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"List Paragraph"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"29" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"Quote"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"30" QFormat=3D"true" =
Name=3D"Intense Quote"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"66" Name=3D"Medium List 2 =
Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"67" Name=3D"Medium Grid 1 =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"68" Name=3D"Medium Grid 2 =
Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"69" Name=3D"Medium Grid 3 =
Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"70" Name=3D"Dark List =
Accent 1"/>
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Shading Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"72" Name=3D"Colorful List =
Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful Grid =
Accent 1"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"60" Name=3D"Light Shading =
Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"61" Name=3D"Light List =
Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid =
Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"63" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
1 Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"64" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"65" Name=3D"Medium List 1 =
Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"66" Name=3D"Medium List 2 =
Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"67" Name=3D"Medium Grid 1 =
Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"68" Name=3D"Medium Grid 2 =
Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"69" Name=3D"Medium Grid 3 =
Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"70" Name=3D"Dark List =
Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"71" Name=3D"Colorful =
Shading Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"72" Name=3D"Colorful List =
Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful Grid =
Accent 2"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"60" Name=3D"Light Shading =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"61" Name=3D"Light List =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"63" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
1 Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"64" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
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<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"65" Name=3D"Medium List 1 =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"66" Name=3D"Medium List 2 =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"67" Name=3D"Medium Grid 1 =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"68" Name=3D"Medium Grid 2 =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"69" Name=3D"Medium Grid 3 =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"70" Name=3D"Dark List =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"71" Name=3D"Colorful =
Shading Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"72" Name=3D"Colorful List =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"73" Name=3D"Colorful Grid =
Accent 3"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"60" Name=3D"Light Shading =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"61" Name=3D"Light List =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"62" Name=3D"Light Grid =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"63" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
1 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"64" Name=3D"Medium Shading =
2 Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"65" Name=3D"Medium List 1 =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"66" Name=3D"Medium List 2 =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"67" Name=3D"Medium Grid 1 =
Accent 4"/>
<w:LsdException Locked=3D"false" Priority=3D"68" Name=3D"Medium Grid 2 =
Accent 4"/>
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-fa=
mily:"Times New Roman"'><a =
href=3D"https://revivalautos">https://revivalautos</a><o:p></o:p></span><=
/font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-fa=
mily:"Times New Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-fa=
mily:"Times New Roman"'>Steve Byers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-fa=
mily:"Times New Roman"'> BJ8 Registry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-fa=
mily:"Times New Roman"'>AHCA Delegate at =
Large<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-fa=
mily:"Times New Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-fo=
nt-family:"Times New =
Roman";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-fo=
nt-family:"Times New Roman"'> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of =
</span></b>[email-masked]<br><b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 17, 2025 =
6:52 PM<br><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'James =
Frey' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'Michael Salter' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> 'Healey List' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Healeys] The Future of =
Healey Ownership<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Michael, Jim =
and All:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Your comments =
below have me thinking about what I have valued in my Austin-Healeys, =
and by extension what others do, will, or might value in them =E2=80=93 =
as balanced against the costs of buying, restoring, upgrading or =
maintaining the cars.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>The Healey was =
never the fastest car I owned, and it was never the absolute best =
handling (though, the last BJ-8 with a new frame and gas shocks does =
handle pretty well). Obviously the Healey never had the most up-to-date =
safety features, and its exterior and dash lighting needed LED upgrades =
to perform even adequately. The list of things the cars were not is =
endless I compared to modern =
cars=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D2 face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>BUT: driving a =
Healey usually put a smile on my face, and it appeared to put smiles on =
a lot of other people=E2=80=99s faces when out and about. As you all =
know, you cannot drive one of these cars without getting smiles, waves, =
thumbs-up, casual nods, etc =E2=80=93 all acknowledging the wonderful =
looks the Healeys have!&nbsp; If you park one, you will undoubtedly find =
your self in a conversation with someone who either had one and sold it, =
wished he had bought one way back when, wished he could buy one now, had =
an uncle who had one, or a cousin, or a friend=E2=80=99s dad, or, or, =
or=E2=80=A6 - you know how it goes!&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>As much fun as =
it has been to drive my Healeys all over the US and Canada, as well as =
Norway, Denmark and Sweden =E2=80=93 I can say that maintaining the cars =
has been the sore spot for me, and I=E2=80=99m now at an age and =
physical condition where it=E2=80=99s somewhere between really-not-fun, =
really-not-practical and really-not-possible anymore. As such, this =
conversation hits home for me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>SO =E2=80=93 =
what do I think about the future of Healey ownership? I suspect there =
will always be a small cadre of serious collectors who want and value =
cars that are as original as possible (whether =
=E2=80=9Cconcours=E2=80=9D level, or just plain nice cars!). The pool of =
cars that survive in such condition is shrinking gradually, but then so =
is the pool of such people! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I also suspect =
that there is a substantial and growing group who would love the =
opportunity to have a car with the classic styling of an Austin-Healey, =
but the reliability and drivability of a modern car. =
=E2=80=9CModern=E2=80=9D in this context may well be a very plastic term =
=E2=80=93 meaning different things to different generations.&nbsp; For =
today=E2=80=99s purposes I ask you all whether the future might be =
electric? An Austin-Healey that has good acceleration and brakes, good =
handling, no fluid leaks (!!) and far fewer to no 60 year-old parts to =
go bad =E2=80=93 all combined with the classic lines of the =
Healey.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>What do you =
say?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></font></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All the =
best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></font></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D2 face=3DAptos><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></font></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-outline-level:1'><b><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bo=
ld'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Healeys =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of =
</span></b>James Frey via Healeys<br><b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, February 16, 2025 =
3:10 PM<br><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Michael =
Salter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Healey List &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Healeys] =
Hello<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p><div><div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>The costs you cite below are inexorably =
linked to the =E2=80=9CWhat to Do with our Healeys=E2=80=9D question =
that was also raised. &nbsp;Over the last several years, I have =
restored/built 3 cars with most of the work done by a local shop (one of =
which was a Bugeye). &nbsp;I needed to have most work performed by my =
shop. &nbsp;Although my skills are moderate and I enjoy turning =
wrenches, my time available to do so has lessened in recent years. =
&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Given the above circumstances, I have easily =
spent 2-3 times market value on the purchase price, work performed, =
parts, etc. &nbsp;I consider myself lucky to have a trusted local shop, =
but depending on where you live (even assuming you are willing to spend =
the money), it can be extraordinarily difficult to get the cars =
serviced, let alone have significant restoration work done. &nbsp;I also =
don=E2=80=99t see the value of most Healeys going up much, and it might =
go down given the (arguably) shrinking market/demographics for these =
cars. &nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>So given my recent experience, as much as I =
might love to own a BJ8 and would consider myself =E2=80=9Ca trusted =
steward=E2=80=9D, paying significant dollars (even for a beautifully =
restored car) in a declining market might not be the best idea. &nbsp;As =
for a car that =E2=80=9Cneeds work=E2=80=9D, I=E2=80=99m starting to =
feel like I=E2=80=99ve been there and done that a little too often. =
&nbsp;Also, there are fun (more modern) cars out there for similar =
dollars that don=E2=80=99t present the same financial risk and =
difficulties in selling. =
&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Lastly, I=E2=80=99m 61 (so not =
=E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=9D) and I think those that are younger than me are =
an even tougher sell. &nbsp;I have 2 adult sons that have a moderate =
interest in cars and the =E2=80=9Cold cars=E2=80=9D they might have an =
interest in are probably from 2000-2010. =
&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>The market is undeniably softer than =
previously, but I actually think current values are a sellers market, =
even in the US. &nbsp;With the potential for declining demand, =
it=E2=80=99s hard for me to see an improving Healey market over the next =
10+ years. &nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Jim</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p><blockquote=
 style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16=E2=80=AFPM, Michael =
Salter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p><div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Very good =
question.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>All the work that you describe requires an =
individual with significant skill(s). These tasks are not something that =
your &quot;run of the mill&quot; parts changer can undertake.&nbsp; In =
our part of the world (Canada) those &quot;parts changers&quot;, without =
breaking a sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which equates to $50/hr. =
$50/hr paid to the tradesman will typically be charged out at an hourly =
rate of at least $100.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>In my book a full restoration takes 1200 =
hours at least, usually a lot more to produce concours =
standards.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>So labour ONLY =
$120K.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Parts =
and materials usually at least 50% of labour. =
$60K.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Incidentals at least another =
$20K<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>It's =
getting up there </span></font><font face=3D"Segoe UI Emoji"><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji"'>&#128563;&#128563;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>M<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p></div></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p><div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Sun., Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. =
warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Comic =
Sans MS"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>The list has been very quiet for a long =
time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>How about a =
discussion about the cost of restoring a =
BN1?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>The metal work is =
About 90% done. The remaining work includes final fitting all body =
panels, preparing for paint &amp; final =
painting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Wiring, plumbing =
including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the windscreen, =
convertible top, side curtains including providing all material where =
necessary.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Rebuild the =
engine including all the machining. I have all the necessary =
components.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Gary =
Hodson<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font =
size=3D3 face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"m_6446190483034331511ydpaa12e928yahoo_quoted_0398894478"><div><div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#26282a" =
face=3DHelvetica><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike Sinclair via =
Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
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color=3D"#26282a" face=3DHelvetica><span =
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Hi all, thanks for your thoughts Al; things that many (most?) of us have =
thought about.  I was with you until the last paragraph.  I have always =
been of a mind with Austin-Healeys (Healeys) that there are enough of =
them around (well, excluding a few rare models), that I have never been =
offended when somebody customizes them to suit their own tastes.  I feel =
differently with rare cars as I think there is some obligation on behalf =
of those owners to preserve some history, but I don=E2=80=99t feel that =
way about Healeys.  I had a number of =E2=80=9Cdiscussions=E2=80=9D with =
Rich Chrysler about this and as many of you know he was an uber-ardent =
supporter of complete originality; they were =
=E2=80=9Cinteresting=E2=80=9D discussions!

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However, for me, owning and driving a Healey (I am a second owner and =
have had my BT7 for 50 years in a few months) goes beyond what it looks =
like or its mediocre performance and questionable handling (mine is bog =
stock).  There is an indefinable =E2=80=9Cessence of Healey=E2=80=9D =
that I love.  At some point, as the number of modifications increase, it =
becomes, for me, less of a Healey.  I enjoy its quirks.  If I wanted a =
safe, reliable better performing hobby car, I would buy one.  If my =
Healey lets me down on the road, and it rarely has, I have confidence =
that because it is mechanically simple I can fix a lot of it roadside =
and carry tools and spares to do a lot.  Granted, most of my drives are =
under 100 km from home, but I have driven a few times through the =
eastern states (I am near Toronto, ON),  done a few laps of Lime Rock in =
it, and driven to friends in southern Michigan, and frankly if I had =
reason, would be OK driving it anywhere in North America. I know I could =
get more accurate timing with a modified distributor and electronic =
ignition, but I enjoy occasionally setting  the point gap and timing; I =
like the =E2=80=9Copen=E2=80=9D look of 48 spokes, so when I replaced =
the wheels, that is what I bought =E2=80=93 painted; I don=E2=80=99t =
have a modified starter, or a spin-on filter; I have the original =
mechanical regulator and a generator, run original lights all around and =
it has the original radiator, bellows thermostat and original fan (and =
no cooling issues).  I feel that every one of the modifications =
available to us, although technically sound, detracts to varying degrees =
from it being a Healey.  As for an electric =E2=80=9CHealey=E2=80=9D, =
well for me that is simply no longer a Healey.  I can even live with =
owners dropping V-8s into them, at least that was a period conversion =
=E2=80=93 it represents part of the spectrum of Healeys I saw as a =
teenager, (though I waffle on whether I can think of them as Healeys).  =
=E2=80=9CNasty Boys=E2=80=9D  don=E2=80=99t appeal to me, but nor do =
they bother me.  I am not completely obsessed with originality.  For =
example I run modern tires of the correct size (i.e., not biased-ply) =
and I use modern lubricants. =20

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It is not about the styling, it is about it being a Healey.  However, I =
recognize and respect that we all feel differently and I am OK with =
that.  I will continue to strive to maintain mine as close as I can to =
when it came out of the factory (thank you all the authors of the =
concours guidelines!), pretty much with the same conviction as Rich had, =
but for different reasons =E2=80=93 I just enjoy driving something that =
old (and older =E2=80=93 I have M.G.s from the 30s and 40s). I enjoy it =
for what it is, a beautiful, reliable for its time, 65 year-old English =
sports car.  If the younger generation don=E2=80=99t want that, then =
they can buy something else.  I confess I am lucky in that I have a 38 =
year-old son who is mechanically minded and loves the old technology.  =
He will get mine.

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This is an old argument with, in my opinion, no rights or wrongs, and I =
was going to stay silent, but heck, its late, I am tired, and probably =
made a bad decision!

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Cheers, Mirek

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Sent: February 17, 2025 6:52 PM

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Michael, Jim and All:

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What do you say?

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All the best,

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Al Fuller

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Jim

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Very good question.=20

So labour ONLY $120K.

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Gary Hodson

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nguage:EN-US'>Hi all, thanks for your thoughts Al; things that many =
(most?) of us have thought about.=C2=A0 I was with you until the last =
paragraph.=C2=A0 I have always been of a mind with Austin-Healeys =
(Healeys) that there are enough of them around (well, excluding a few =
rare models), that I have never been offended when somebody customizes =
them to suit their own tastes.=C2=A0 I feel differently with rare cars =
as I think there is some obligation on behalf of those owners to =
preserve some history, but I don=E2=80=99t feel that way about =
Healeys.=C2=A0 I had a number of =E2=80=9Cdiscussions=E2=80=9D with Rich =
Chrysler about this and as many of you know he was an uber-ardent =
supporter of complete originality; they were =
=E2=80=9Cinteresting=E2=80=9D discussions!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>However, for me, owning and driving a Healey (I am a =
second owner and have had my BT7 for 50 years in a few months) goes =
beyond what it looks like or its mediocre performance and questionable =
handling (mine is bog stock).=C2=A0 There is an indefinable =
=E2=80=9Cessence of Healey=E2=80=9D that I love.=C2=A0 At some point, as =
the number of modifications increase, it becomes, for me, less of a =
Healey. =C2=A0I enjoy its quirks.=C2=A0 If I wanted a safe, reliable =
better performing hobby car, I would buy one.=C2=A0 If my Healey lets me =
down on the road, and it rarely has, I have confidence that because it =
is mechanically simple I can fix a lot of it roadside and carry tools =
and spares to do a lot. =C2=A0Granted, most of my drives are under 100 =
km from home, but I have driven a few times through the eastern states =
(I am near Toronto, ON),=C2=A0 done a few laps of Lime Rock in it, and =
driven to friends in southern Michigan, and frankly if I had reason, =
would be OK driving it anywhere in North America. I know I could get =
more accurate timing with a modified distributor and electronic =
ignition, but I enjoy occasionally setting=C2=A0 the point gap and =
timing; I like the =E2=80=9Copen=E2=80=9D look of 48 spokes, so when I =
replaced the wheels, that is what I bought =E2=80=93 painted; I =
don=E2=80=99t have a modified starter, or a spin-on filter; I have the =
original mechanical regulator and a generator, run original lights all =
around and it has the original radiator, bellows thermostat and original =
fan (and no cooling issues). =C2=A0I feel that every one of the =
modifications available to us, although technically sound, detracts to =
varying degrees from it being a Healey.=C2=A0 As for an electric =
=E2=80=9CHealey=E2=80=9D, well for me that is simply no longer a =
Healey.=C2=A0 I can even live with owners dropping V-8s into them, at =
least that was a period conversion =E2=80=93 it represents part of the =
spectrum of Healeys I saw as a teenager, (though I waffle on whether I =
can think of them as Healeys).=C2=A0 =E2=80=9CNasty Boys=E2=80=9D =
=C2=A0don=E2=80=99t appeal to me, but nor do they bother me.=C2=A0 I am =
not completely obsessed with originality.=C2=A0 For example I run modern =
tires of the correct size (i.e., not biased-ply) and I use modern =
lubricants.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>It is not about the styling, it is about it being a =
Healey.=C2=A0 However, I recognize and respect that we all feel =
differently and I am OK with that.=C2=A0 I will continue to strive to =
maintain mine as close as I can to when it came out of the factory =
(thank you all the authors of the concours guidelines!), pretty much =
with the same conviction as Rich had, but for different reasons =
=E2=80=93 I just enjoy driving something that old (and older =E2=80=93 I =
have M.G.s from the 30s and 40s). I enjoy it for what it is, a =
beautiful, reliable for its time, 65 year-old English sports car.=C2=A0 =
If the younger generation don=E2=80=99t want that, then they can buy =
something else.=C2=A0 I confess I am lucky in that I have a 38 year-old =
son who is mechanically minded and loves the old technology.=C2=A0 He =
will get mine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>This is an old argument with, in my opinion, no rights or =
wrongs, and I was going to stay silent, but heck, its late, I am tired, =
and probably made a bad decision!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Cheers, Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>[email-masked]<br><b>Sent:</b> February 17, 2025 6:52 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> 'James Frey' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'Michael =
Salter' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Healey List' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] The Future =
of Healey Ownership<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Michael, Jim =
and All:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Your comments =
below have me thinking about what I have valued in my Austin-Healeys, =
and by extension what others do, will, or might value in them =E2=80=93 =
as balanced against the costs of buying, restoring, upgrading or =
maintaining the cars.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>The Healey was =
never the fastest car I owned, and it was never the absolute best =
handling (though, the last BJ-8 with a new frame and gas shocks does =
handle pretty well). Obviously the Healey never had the most up-to-date =
safety features, and its exterior and dash lighting needed LED upgrades =
to perform even adequately. The list of things the cars were not is =
endless I compared to modern cars=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>BUT: driving a =
Healey usually put a smile on my face, and it appeared to put smiles on =
a lot of other people=E2=80=99s faces when out and about. As you all =
know, you cannot drive one of these cars without getting smiles, waves, =
thumbs-up, casual nods, etc =E2=80=93 all acknowledging the wonderful =
looks the Healeys have!&nbsp; If you park one, you will undoubtedly find =
your self in a conversation with someone who either had one and sold it, =
wished he had bought one way back when, wished he could buy one now, had =
an uncle who had one, or a cousin, or a friend=E2=80=99s dad, or, or, =
or=E2=80=A6 - you know how it goes!&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>As much fun as =
it has been to drive my Healeys all over the US and Canada, as well as =
Norway, Denmark and Sweden =E2=80=93 I can say that maintaining the cars =
has been the sore spot for me, and I=E2=80=99m now at an age and =
physical condition where it=E2=80=99s somewhere between really-not-fun, =
really-not-practical and really-not-possible anymore. As such, this =
conversation hits home for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>SO =E2=80=93 =
what do I think about the future of Healey ownership? I suspect there =
will always be a small cadre of serious collectors who want and value =
cars that are as original as possible (whether =
=E2=80=9Cconcours=E2=80=9D level, or just plain nice cars!). The pool of =
cars that survive in such condition is shrinking gradually, but then so =
is the pool of such people! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I also suspect =
that there is a substantial and growing group who would love the =
opportunity to have a car with the classic styling of an Austin-Healey, =
but the reliability and drivability of a modern car. =
=E2=80=9CModern=E2=80=9D in this context may well be a very plastic term =
=E2=80=93 meaning different things to different generations.&nbsp; For =
today=E2=80=99s purposes I ask you all whether the future might be =
electric? An Austin-Healey that has good acceleration and brakes, good =
handling, no fluid leaks (!!) and far fewer to no 60 year-old parts to =
go bad =E2=80=93 all combined with the classic lines of the =
Healey.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>What do you =
say?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All the =
best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Healeys =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Frey via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Sunday, February 16, 2025 3:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Salter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Cc:</b> Healey List &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Hello<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>The =
costs you cite below are inexorably linked to the =E2=80=9CWhat to Do =
with our Healeys=E2=80=9D question that was also raised. &nbsp;Over the =
last several years, I have restored/built 3 cars with most of the work =
done by a local shop (one of which was a Bugeye). &nbsp;I needed to have =
most work performed by my shop. &nbsp;Although my skills are moderate =
and I enjoy turning wrenches, my time available to do so has lessened in =
recent years. &nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Given =
the above circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times market value on =
the purchase price, work performed, parts, etc. &nbsp;I consider myself =
lucky to have a trusted local shop, but depending on where you live =
(even assuming you are willing to spend the money), it can be =
extraordinarily difficult to get the cars serviced, let alone have =
significant restoration work done. &nbsp;I also don=E2=80=99t see the =
value of most Healeys going up much, and it might go down given the =
(arguably) shrinking market/demographics for these cars. =
&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>So given =
my recent experience, as much as I might love to own a BJ8 and would =
consider myself =E2=80=9Ca trusted steward=E2=80=9D, paying significant =
dollars (even for a beautifully restored car) in a declining market =
might not be the best idea. &nbsp;As for a car that =E2=80=9Cneeds =
work=E2=80=9D, I=E2=80=99m starting to feel like I=E2=80=99ve been there =
and done that a little too often. &nbsp;Also, there are fun (more =
modern) cars out there for similar dollars that don=E2=80=99t present =
the same financial risk and difficulties in selling. &nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Lastly, =
I=E2=80=99m 61 (so not =E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=9D) and I think those that =
are younger than me are an even tougher sell. &nbsp;I have 2 adult sons =
that have a moderate interest in cars and the =E2=80=9Cold cars=E2=80=9D =
they might have an interest in are probably from 2000-2010. =
&nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>The =
market is undeniably softer than previously, but I actually think =
current values are a sellers market, even in the US. &nbsp;With the =
potential for declining demand, it=E2=80=99s hard for me to see an =
improving Healey market over the next 10+ years. &nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt'>Jim</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>On Feb 16, 2025, at =
2:16=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Salter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Very good =
question.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>All the work that you describe requires an individual with =
significant skill(s). These tasks are not something that your &quot;run =
of the mill&quot; parts changer can undertake.&nbsp; In our part of the =
world (Canada) those &quot;parts changers&quot;, without breaking a =
sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which equates to $50/hr. $50/hr paid =
to the tradesman will typically be charged out at an hourly rate of at =
least $100.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>In my book a full restoration takes 1200 hours at least, =
usually a lot more to produce concours =
standards.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>So labour ONLY $120K.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Parts and materials usually at =
least 50% of labour. $60K.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Incidentals at least another =
$20K<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>It's getting up there </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif'>&#128563;&#128563;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>M<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>On Sun., Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. =
warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>The list has been very quiet for a =
long time.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>How about a =
discussion about the cost of restoring a =
BN1?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>The metal work is =
About 90% done. The remaining work includes final fitting all body =
panels, preparing for paint &amp; final =
painting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Wiring, plumbing =
including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the windscreen, =
convertible top, side curtains including providing all material where =
necessary.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all the =
necessary components.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Gary =
Hodson<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"m_6446190483034331511ydpaa12e928yahoo_quoted_0398894478"><div><div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike Sinclair via =
Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>=
Is it me, or is the list quiet?&nbsp; I haven't seen anything for quite =
a while?</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
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A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US =
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Mik</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
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Hi Mirek, first off I'm glad you responded - no worries at all. Second,
sorry we didn't get to meet when I lived in southeast lower Michigan
(Windsor, Ontario was what I saw from my office window in Detroit). If you
visit Last Vegas look me up!

I fully understand your thoughts on the Healey, and hopefully we will hear
from more folks and have well rounded discussion.

For the record, I was asking a question and not advocating a position.

Cheers,

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Mon, Feb 17, 2025, 5:53=E2=80=AFPM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hi all, thanks for your thoughts Al; things that many (most?) of us have
> thought about.  I was with you until the last paragraph.  I have always
> been of a mind with Austin-Healeys (Healeys) that there are enough of the=
m
> around (well, excluding a few rare models), that I have never been offend=
ed
> when somebody customizes them to suit their own tastes.  I feel different=
ly
> with rare cars as I think there is some obligation on behalf of those
> owners to preserve some history, but I don=E2=80=99t feel that way about =
Healeys.
> I had a number of =E2=80=9Cdiscussions=E2=80=9D with Rich Chrysler about =
this and as many
> of you know he was an uber-ardent supporter of complete originality; they
> were =E2=80=9Cinteresting=E2=80=9D discussions!
>
>
>
> However, for me, owning and driving a Healey (I am a second owner and hav=
e
> had my BT7 for 50 years in a few months) goes beyond what it looks like o=
r
> its mediocre performance and questionable handling (mine is bog stock).
> There is an indefinable =E2=80=9Cessence of Healey=E2=80=9D that I love. =
 At some point, as
> the number of modifications increase, it becomes, for me, less of a
> Healey.  I enjoy its quirks.  If I wanted a safe, reliable better
> performing hobby car, I would buy one.  If my Healey lets me down on the
> road, and it rarely has, I have confidence that because it is mechanicall=
y
> simple I can fix a lot of it roadside and carry tools and spares to do a
> lot.  Granted, most of my drives are under 100 km from home, but I have
> driven a few times through the eastern states (I am near Toronto, ON),
> done a few laps of Lime Rock in it, and driven to friends in southern
> Michigan, and frankly if I had reason, would be OK driving it anywhere in
> North America. I know I could get more accurate timing with a modified
> distributor and electronic ignition, but I enjoy occasionally setting  th=
e
> point gap and timing; I like the =E2=80=9Copen=E2=80=9D look of 48 spokes=
, so when I
> replaced the wheels, that is what I bought =E2=80=93 painted; I don=E2=80=
=99t have a
> modified starter, or a spin-on filter; I have the original mechanical
> regulator and a generator, run original lights all around and it has the
> original radiator, bellows thermostat and original fan (and no cooling
> issues).  I feel that every one of the modifications available to us,
> although technically sound, detracts to varying degrees from it being a
> Healey.  As for an electric =E2=80=9CHealey=E2=80=9D, well for me that is=
 simply no longer
> a Healey.  I can even live with owners dropping V-8s into them, at least
> that was a period conversion =E2=80=93 it represents part of the spectrum=
 of
> Healeys I saw as a teenager, (though I waffle on whether I can think of
> them as Healeys).  =E2=80=9CNasty Boys=E2=80=9D  don=E2=80=99t appeal to =
me, but nor do they bother
> me.  I am not completely obsessed with originality.  For example I run
> modern tires of the correct size (i.e., not biased-ply) and I use modern
> lubricants.
>
>
>
> It is not about the styling, it is about it being a Healey.  However, I
> recognize and respect that we all feel differently and I am OK with that.
> I will continue to strive to maintain mine as close as I can to when it
> came out of the factory (thank you all the authors of the concours
> guidelines!), pretty much with the same conviction as Rich had, but for
> different reasons =E2=80=93 I just enjoy driving something that old (and =
older =E2=80=93 I
> have M.G.s from the 30s and 40s). I enjoy it for what it is, a beautiful,
> reliable for its time, 65 year-old English sports car.  If the younger
> generation don=E2=80=99t want that, then they can buy something else.  I =
confess I
> am lucky in that I have a 38 year-old son who is mechanically minded and
> loves the old technology.  He will get mine.
>
>
>
> This is an old argument with, in my opinion, no rights or wrongs, and I
> was going to stay silent, but heck, its late, I am tired, and probably ma=
de
> a bad decision!
>
>
>
> Cheers, Mirek
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *
> [email-masked]
> *Sent:* February 17, 2025 6:52 PM
> *To:* 'James Frey' <[email-masked]>; 'Michael Salter' <
> [email-masked]>
> *Cc:* 'Healey List' <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] The Future of Healey Ownership
>
>
>
> Michael, Jim and All:
>
>
>
> Your comments below have me thinking about what I have valued in my
> Austin-Healeys, and by extension what others do, will, or might value in
> them =E2=80=93 as balanced against the costs of buying, restoring, upgrad=
ing or
> maintaining the cars.
>
>
>
> The Healey was never the fastest car I owned, and it was never the
> absolute best handling (though, the last BJ-8 with a new frame and gas
> shocks does handle pretty well). Obviously the Healey never had the most
> up-to-date safety features, and its exterior and dash lighting needed LED
> upgrades to perform even adequately. The list of things the cars were not
> is endless I compared to modern cars=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> BUT: driving a Healey usually put a smile on my face, and it appeared to
> put smiles on a lot of other people=E2=80=99s faces when out and about. A=
s you all
> know, you cannot drive one of these cars without getting smiles, waves,
> thumbs-up, casual nods, etc =E2=80=93 all acknowledging the wonderful loo=
ks the
> Healeys have!  If you park one, you will undoubtedly find your self in a
> conversation with someone who either had one and sold it, wished he had
> bought one way back when, wished he could buy one now, had an uncle who h=
ad
> one, or a cousin, or a friend=E2=80=99s dad, or, or, or=E2=80=A6 - you kn=
ow how it goes!
>
>
>
> As much fun as it has been to drive my Healeys all over the US and Canada=
,
> as well as Norway, Denmark and Sweden =E2=80=93 I can say that maintainin=
g the cars
> has been the sore spot for me, and I=E2=80=99m now at an age and physical=
 condition
> where it=E2=80=99s somewhere between really-not-fun, really-not-practical=
 and
> really-not-possible anymore. As such, this conversation hits home for me.
>
>
>
> SO =E2=80=93 what do I think about the future of Healey ownership? I susp=
ect there
> will always be a small cadre of serious collectors who want and value car=
s
> that are as original as possible (whether =E2=80=9Cconcours=E2=80=9D leve=
l, or just plain
> nice cars!). The pool of cars that survive in such condition is shrinking
> gradually, but then so is the pool of such people!
>
>
>
> I also suspect that there is a substantial and growing group who would
> love the opportunity to have a car with the classic styling of an
> Austin-Healey, but the reliability and drivability of a modern car.
=E2=80=93 meaning
> different things to different generations.  For today=E2=80=99s purposes =
I ask you
> all whether the future might be electric? An Austin-Healey that has good
> acceleration and brakes, good handling, no fluid leaks (!!) and far fewer
> to no 60 year-old parts to go bad =E2=80=93 all combined with the classic=
 lines of
> the Healey.
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *James
> Frey via Healeys
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 16, 2025 3:10 PM
> *To:* Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Healey List <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Hello
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Hi Mirek, first off I&#39;m glad you responded - no =
worries at all. Second, sorry we didn&#39;t get to meet when I lived in sou=
theast lower Michigan (Windsor, Ontario was what I saw from my office windo=
w in Detroit). If you visit Last Vegas look me up!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I fully understand your thoughts on the Healey, =
and hopefully we will hear from more folks and have well rounded discussion=
.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">For the record, I was =
asking a question and not advocating a position.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail=3D=
"gmail_signature">________________<br>Sent from my phone <br>Best Regards,<=
br>Al Fuller</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 17, 2025, 5:53=E2=80=AFPM  &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">m.g.sharp@=
sympatico.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div la=
ng=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Hi all, thanks for your thoughts Al; things th=
at many (most?) of us have thought about.=C2=A0 I was with you until the la=
st paragraph.=C2=A0 I have always been of a mind with Austin-Healeys (Heale=
ys) that there are enough of them around (well, excluding a few rare models=
), that I have never been offended when somebody customizes them to suit th=
eir own tastes.=C2=A0 I feel differently with rare cars as I think there is=
 some obligation on behalf of those owners to preserve some history, but I =
don=E2=80=99t feel that way about Healeys.=C2=A0 I had a number of =E2=80=
=9Cdiscussions=E2=80=9D with Rich Chrysler about this and as many of you kn=
ow he was an uber-ardent supporter of complete originality; they were =E2=
=80=9Cinteresting=E2=80=9D discussions!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">However=
, for me, owning and driving a Healey (I am a second owner and have had my =
BT7 for 50 years in a few months) goes beyond what it looks like or its med=
iocre performance and questionable handling (mine is bog stock).=C2=A0 Ther=
e is an indefinable =E2=80=9Cessence of Healey=E2=80=9D that I love.=C2=A0 =
At some point, as the number of modifications increase, it becomes, for me,=
 less of a Healey.=C2=A0 I enjoy its quirks.=C2=A0 If I wanted a safe, reli=
able better performing hobby car, I would buy one.=C2=A0 If my Healey lets =
me down on the road, and it rarely has, I have confidence that because it i=
s mechanically simple I can fix a lot of it roadside and carry tools and sp=
ares to do a lot.=C2=A0 Granted, most of my drives are under 100 km from ho=
me, but I have driven a few times through the eastern states (I am near Tor=
onto, ON),=C2=A0 done a few laps of Lime Rock in it, and driven to friends =
in southern Michigan, and frankly if I had reason, would be OK driving it a=
nywhere in North America. I know I could get more accurate timing with a mo=
dified distributor and electronic ignition, but I enjoy occasionally settin=
g=C2=A0 the point gap and timing; I like the =E2=80=9Copen=E2=80=9D look of=
 48 spokes, so when I replaced the wheels, that is what I bought =E2=80=93 =
painted; I don=E2=80=99t have a modified starter, or a spin-on filter; I ha=
ve the original mechanical regulator and a generator, run original lights a=
ll around and it has the original radiator, bellows thermostat and original=
 fan (and no cooling issues).=C2=A0 I feel that every one of the modificati=
ons available to us, although technically sound, detracts to varying degree=
s from it being a Healey.=C2=A0 As for an electric =E2=80=9CHealey=E2=80=9D=
, well for me that is simply no longer a Healey.=C2=A0 I can even live with=
 owners dropping V-8s into them, at least that was a period conversion =E2=
=80=93 it represents part of the spectrum of Healeys I saw as a teenager, (=
though I waffle on whether I can think of them as Healeys).=C2=A0 =E2=80=9C=
Nasty Boys=E2=80=9D =C2=A0don=E2=80=99t appeal to me, but nor do they bothe=
r me.=C2=A0 I am not completely obsessed with originality.=C2=A0 For exampl=
e I run modern tires of the correct size (i.e., not biased-ply) and I use m=
odern lubricants.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">It is not about the st=
yling, it is about it being a Healey.=C2=A0 However, I recognize and respec=
t that we all feel differently and I am OK with that.=C2=A0 I will continue=
 to strive to maintain mine as close as I can to when it came out of the fa=
ctory (thank you all the authors of the concours guidelines!), pretty much =
with the same conviction as Rich had, but for different reasons =E2=80=93 I=
 just enjoy driving something that old (and older =E2=80=93 I have M.G.s fr=
om the 30s and 40s). I enjoy it for what it is, a beautiful, reliable for i=
ts time, 65 year-old English sports car.=C2=A0 If the younger generation do=
n=E2=80=99t want that, then they can buy something else.=C2=A0 I confess I =
am lucky in that I have a 38 year-old son who is mechanically minded and lo=
ves the old technology.=C2=A0 He will get mine.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calib=
ri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"=
>This is an old argument with, in my opinion, no rights or wrongs, and I wa=
s going to stay silent, but heck, its late, I am tired, and probably made a=
 bad decision!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Cheers, Mirek<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div st=
yle=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm=
"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"=
> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Sent:</b=
> February 17, 2025 6:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> &#39;James Frey&#39; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; &#39;Michael Salter&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> &#39;Healey List&#39; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] The=
 Future of Healey Ownership<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif">Mi=
chael, Jim and All:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-s=
erif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif">Y=
our comments below have me thinking about what I have valued in my Austin-H=
ealeys, and by extension what others do, will, or might value in them =E2=
=80=93 as balanced against the costs of buying, restoring, upgrading or mai=
ntaining the cars.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-se=
rif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif">Th=
e Healey was never the fastest car I owned, and it was never the absolute b=
est handling (though, the last BJ-8 with a new frame and gas shocks does ha=
ndle pretty well). Obviously the Healey never had the most up-to-date safet=
y features, and its exterior and dash lighting needed LED upgrades to perfo=
rm even adequately. The list of things the cars were not is endless I compa=
red to modern cars=E2=80=A6<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot=
;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-=
serif">BUT: driving a Healey usually put a smile on my face, and it appeare=
d to put smiles on a lot of other people=E2=80=99s faces when out and about=
. As you all know, you cannot drive one of these cars without getting smile=
s, waves, thumbs-up, casual nods, etc =E2=80=93 all acknowledging the wonde=
rful looks the Healeys have!=C2=A0 If you park one, you will undoubtedly fi=
nd your self in a conversation with someone who either had one and sold it,=
 wished he had bought one way back when, wished he could buy one now, had a=
n uncle who had one, or a cousin, or a friend=E2=80=99s dad, or, or, or=E2=
=80=A6 - you know how it goes!=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Aptos&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&q=
uot;,sans-serif">As much fun as it has been to drive my Healeys all over th=
e US and Canada, as well as Norway, Denmark and Sweden =E2=80=93 I can say =
that maintaining the cars has been the sore spot for me, and I=E2=80=99m no=
w at an age and physical condition where it=E2=80=99s somewhere between rea=
lly-not-fun, really-not-practical and really-not-possible anymore. As such,=
 this conversation hits home for me.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;A=
ptos&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&qu=
ot;,sans-serif">SO =E2=80=93 what do I think about the future of Healey own=
ership? I suspect there will always be a small cadre of serious collectors =
who want and value cars that are as original as possible (whether =E2=80=9C=
concours=E2=80=9D level, or just plain nice cars!). The pool of cars that s=
urvive in such condition is shrinking gradually, but then so is the pool of=
 such people! <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
 style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif">I also=
 suspect that there is a substantial and growing group who would love the o=
pportunity to have a car with the classic styling of an Austin-Healey, but =
the reliability and drivability of a modern car. =E2=80=9CModern=E2=80=9D i=
n this context may well be a very plastic term =E2=80=93 meaning different =
things to different generations.=C2=A0 For today=E2=80=99s purposes I ask y=
ou all whether the future might be electric? An Austin-Healey that has good=
 acceleration and brakes, good handling, no fluid leaks (!!) and far fewer =
to no 60 year-old parts to go bad =E2=80=93 all combined with the classic l=
ines of the Healey.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-s=
erif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif">W=
hat do you say?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-ser=
if"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif">-----------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">All the best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Al Fuller<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Aptos&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div styl=
e=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> =
Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <=
b>On Behalf Of </b>James Frey via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February =
16, 2025 3:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">michaelsa=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Healey List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:heal=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Hello<u></u><u></u=
></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">The costs you cite below are inexorably =
linked to the =E2=80=9CWhat to Do with our Healeys=E2=80=9D question that w=
as also raised.=C2=A0 Over the last several years, I have restored/built 3 =
cars with most of the work done by a local shop (one of which was a Bugeye)=
.=C2=A0 I needed to have most work performed by my shop.=C2=A0 Although my =
skills are moderate and I enjoy turning wrenches, my time available to do s=
o has lessened in recent years. =C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u=
></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">Given the above circumstances, I have easily sp=
ent 2-3 times market value on the purchase price, work performed, parts, et=
c.=C2=A0 I consider myself lucky to have a trusted local shop, but dependin=
g on where you live (even assuming you are willing to spend the money), it =
can be extraordinarily difficult to get the cars serviced, let alone have s=
ignificant restoration work done.=C2=A0 I also don=E2=80=99t see the value =
of most Healeys going up much, and it might go down given the (arguably) sh=
rinking market/demographics for these cars. =C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">So given my recent experience, as m=
uch as I might love to own a BJ8 and would consider myself =E2=80=9Ca trust=
ed steward=E2=80=9D, paying significant dollars (even for a beautifully res=
tored car) in a declining market might not be the best idea.=C2=A0 As for a=
 car that =E2=80=9Cneeds work=E2=80=9D, I=E2=80=99m starting to feel like I=
=E2=80=99ve been there and done that a little too often.=C2=A0 Also, there =
are fun (more modern) cars out there for similar dollars that don=E2=80=99t=
 present the same financial risk and difficulties in selling. =C2=A0</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">Lastly, I=
=E2=80=99m 61 (so not =E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=9D) and I think those that are y=
ounger than me are an even tougher sell.=C2=A0 I have 2 adult sons that hav=
e a moderate interest in cars and the =E2=80=9Cold cars=E2=80=9D they might=
 have an interest in are probably from 2000-2010. =C2=A0</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">The market is undenia=
bly softer than previously, but I actually think current values are a selle=
rs market, even in the US.=C2=A0 With the potential for declining demand, i=
t=E2=80=99s hard for me to see an improving Healey market over the next 10+=
 years. =C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.5pt">Jim</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><blockquote style=3D"margi=
n-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-US">On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Very good question.=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
">All the work that you describe requires an individual with significant sk=
ill(s). These tasks are not something that your &quot;run of the mill&quot;=
 parts changer can undertake.=C2=A0 In our part of the world (Canada) those=
 &quot;parts changers&quot;, without breaking a sweat can easily pull in 6 =
figures which equates to $50/hr. $50/hr paid to the tradesman will typicall=
y be charged out at an hourly rate of at least $100.<u></u><u></u></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">In my book a full =
restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually a lot more to produce concou=
rs standards.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US">So labour ONLY $120K.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Parts and materials usually at =
least 50% of labour. $60K.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Incidentals at least another $20K<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">It&#39=
;s getting up there </span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;=
Segoe UI Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=B3=F0=9F=98=B3</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">M<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p=
><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On Sun., Feb. 16, 20=
25, 1:40 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"b=
order:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin=
-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">The list has been very quiet for a long time.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">How about a discussion about=
 the cost of restoring a BN1?=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sa=
ns MS&quot;">The metal work is About 90% done. The remaining work includes =
final fitting all body panels, preparing for paint &amp; final painting.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Wiring, plumbing includin=
g rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the windscreen, convertible top,=
 side curtains including providing all material where necessary.=C2=A0<u></=
u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">Rebuild the engine includin=
g all the machining. I have all the necessary components.<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font=
-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Co=
mic Sans MS&quot;">Gary Hodson<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans M=
S&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;">=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p></div></div><div id=3D"m_-5130005294262615903m_-4958623443882670529=
m_6446190483034331511ydpaa12e928yahoo_quoted_0398894478"><div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282a">On Sunday, February 16,=
 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike Sinclair via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">heal=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div=
 style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6=
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yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
#26282a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&q=
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iv id=3D"m_-5130005294262615903m_-4958623443882670529m_6446190483034331511y=
dpaa12e928yiv3642250353"><div><p><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10=
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From: Mike Sinclair via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:31:52 -0800

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Well, I stirred up the list!  The car hasn't seen much action lately; 
has been cold in the NW.  We had a few nights below freezing, highs in 
the 30s.  Warmer now, tho.

Mike

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        car hasn't seen much action lately; has been cold in the NW.  We
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Electric Healeys are a sacrilege. Also a really bad investment as funds for=
 charging stations are cut (finally!) =C2=A0and car=C2=A0 manufacturers pul=
l back to cut their losses. E-cars may make sense for China, which simply b=
uilds more coal plants to recharge them as a way to reduce dependence on Ru=
ssian oil, polluting the planet in the process. But=C2=A0not for the US. Dr=
ill baby drill!=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Monday, February 17, 2025, 9:35 PM, sbyers--- via Healeys <healeys@autox=
.team.net> wrote:

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Conversion of Healeys to electric power is already happening.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I=
 know of three BJ8s that were sold individually to England and a company in=
 London called =E2=80=9CRevival Autos=E2=80=9D was doing that conversion.=
=C2=A0 They were also offering the original engine from one of the cars on =
eBay.=C2=A0 They also have an address in Naples, FL =C2=A0and San Francisco

https://revivalautos

 =C2=A0

Steve Byers

 BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

 =C2=A0

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of alfuller194@gma=
il.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2025 6:52 PM
To: 'James Frey' <[email-masked]>; 'Michael Salter' <michaelsalter@gmail=
.com>
Cc: 'Healey List' <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Healeys] The Future of Healey Ownership

 =C2=A0

Michael, Jim and All:

 =C2=A0

Your comments below have me thinking about what I have valued in my Austin-=
Healeys, and by extension what others do, will, or might value in them =E2=
=80=93 as balanced against the costs of buying, restoring, upgrading or mai=
ntaining the cars.

 =C2=A0

The Healey was never the fastest car I owned, and it was never the absolute=
 best handling (though, the last BJ-8 with a new frame and gas shocks does =
handle pretty well). Obviously the Healey never had the most up-to-date saf=
ety features, and its exterior and dash lighting needed LED upgrades to per=
form even adequately. The list of things the cars were not is endless I com=
pared to modern cars=E2=80=A6

 =C2=A0

BUT: driving a Healey usually put a smile on my face, and it appeared to pu=
t smiles on a lot of other people=E2=80=99s faces when out and about. As yo=
u all know, you cannot drive one of these cars without getting smiles, wave=
s, thumbs-up, casual nods, etc =E2=80=93 all acknowledging the wonderful lo=
oks the Healeys have!=C2=A0 If you park one, you will undoubtedly find your=
 self in a conversation with someone who either had one and sold it, wished=
 he had bought one way back when, wished he could buy one now, had an uncle=
 who had one, or a cousin, or a friend=E2=80=99s dad, or, or, or=E2=80=A6 -=
 you know how it goes!=C2=A0=20

 =C2=A0

As much fun as it has been to drive my Healeys all over the US and Canada, =
as well as Norway, Denmark and Sweden =E2=80=93 I can say that maintaining =
the cars has been the sore spot for me, and I=E2=80=99m now at an age and p=
hysical condition where it=E2=80=99s somewhere between really-not-fun, real=
ly-not-practical and really-not-possible anymore. As such, this conversatio=
n hits home for me.

 =C2=A0

SO =E2=80=93 what do I think about the future of Healey ownership? I suspec=
t there will always be a small cadre of serious collectors who want and val=
ue cars that are as original as possible (whether =E2=80=9Cconcours=E2=80=
=9D level, or just plain nice cars!). The pool of cars that survive in such=
 condition is shrinking gradually, but then so is the pool of such people!=
=20

 =C2=A0

I also suspect that there is a substantial and growing group who would love=
 the opportunity to have a car with the classic styling of an Austin-Healey=
, but the reliability and drivability of a modern car. =E2=80=9CModern=E2=
=80=9D in this context may well be a very plastic term =E2=80=93 meaning di=
fferent things to different generations.=C2=A0 For today=E2=80=99s purposes=
 I ask you all whether the future might be electric? An Austin-Healey that =
has good acceleration and brakes, good handling, no fluid leaks (!!) and fa=
r fewer to no 60 year-old parts to go bad =E2=80=93 all combined with the c=
lassic lines of the Healey.

 =C2=A0

What do you say?

 =C2=A0

All the best,

 =C2=A0

Al Fuller

 =C2=A0

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of James Frey via =
Healeys

 =C2=A0

The costs you cite below are inexorably linked to the =E2=80=9CWhat to Do w=
ith our Healeys=E2=80=9D question that was also raised. =C2=A0Over the last=
 several years, I have restored/built 3 cars with most of the work done by =
a local shop (one of which was a Bugeye). =C2=A0I needed to have most work =
performed by my shop. =C2=A0Although my skills are moderate and I enjoy tur=
ning wrenches, my time available to do so has lessened in recent years. =C2=
=A0

 =C2=A0

Given the above circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times market value o=
n the purchase price, work performed, parts, etc. =C2=A0I consider myself l=
ucky to have a trusted local shop, but depending on where you live (even as=
suming you are willing to spend the money), it can be extraordinarily diffi=
cult to get the cars serviced, let alone have significant restoration work =
done. =C2=A0I also don=E2=80=99t see the value of most Healeys going up muc=
h, and it might go down given the (arguably) shrinking market/demographics =
for these cars. =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

So given my recent experience, as much as I might love to own a BJ8 and wou=
ld consider myself =E2=80=9Ca trusted steward=E2=80=9D, paying significant =
dollars (even for a beautifully restored car) in a declining market might n=
ot be the best idea. =C2=A0As for a car that =E2=80=9Cneeds work=E2=80=9D, =
I=E2=80=99m starting to feel like I=E2=80=99ve been there and done that a l=
ittle too often. =C2=A0Also, there are fun (more modern) cars out there for=
 similar dollars that don=E2=80=99t present the same financial risk and dif=
ficulties in selling. =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Lastly, I=E2=80=99m 61 (so not =E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=9D) and I think those t=
hat are younger than me are an even tougher sell. =C2=A0I have 2 adult sons=
 that have a moderate interest in cars and the =E2=80=9Cold cars=E2=80=9D t=
hey might have an interest in are probably from 2000-2010. =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

The market is undeniably softer than previously, but I actually think curre=
nt values are a sellers market, even in the US. =C2=A0With the potential fo=
r declining demand, it=E2=80=99s hard for me to see an improving Healey mar=
ket over the next 10+ years. =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Jim

 =C2=A0

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 =C2=A0

On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16=E2=80=AFPM, Michael Salter <[email-masked]=
m> wrote:

 =C2=A0

Very good question.=C2=A0

All the work that you describe requires an individual with significant skil=
l(s). These tasks are not something that your "run of the mill" parts chang=
er can undertake.=C2=A0 In our part of the world (Canada) those "parts chan=
gers", without breaking a sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which equates =
to $50/hr. $50/hr paid to the tradesman will typically be charged out at an=
 hourly rate of at least $100.

In my book a full restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually a lot more=
 to produce concours standards.

So labour ONLY $120K.

 =C2=A0

M

 =C2=A0

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On Sun., Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, <healeys@autox=
.team.net> wrote:

How about a discussion about the cost of restoring a BN1?=C2=A0

ere necessary.=C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Gary Hodson

 =C2=A0

=C2=A0

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On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike Sinclair via Healeys =
<[email-masked]> wrote:=20

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 =C2=A0

Mik

[email-masked]

[email-masked]

[email-masked]

[email-masked]

[email-masked]

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Electric Healeys are a sacrilege. Also a really bad investment as funds for=
 charging stations are cut (finally!) &nbsp;and car&nbsp; manufacturers pul=
l back to cut their losses. E-cars may make sense for China, which simply b=
uilds more coal plants to recharge them as a way to reduce dependence on Ru=
ssian oil, polluting the planet in the process. But&nbsp;not for the US. Dr=
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Conversion of Healeys to electric power is already happening.<span style=3D=
"">&nbsp; </span><span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>I know of three BJ8s that we=
re sold individually to England and a company in London called =E2=80=9CRev=
ival Autos=E2=80=9D was doing that conversion.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </spa=
n>They were also offering the original engine from one of the cars on eBay.=
<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>They also have an address in Naples, FL <spa=
n style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>and San Francisco</span></p><p class=3D"yiv865446=
0234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"><a =
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"https://revivalautos">https://revivalautos</a></span></p><p class=3D"yi=
v8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-seri=
f;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Steve Byers</span></p><p class=3D"y=
iv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-ser=
if;"> BJ8 Registry</span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">AHCA Delegate at Large</span=
></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><div id=3D"yiv8654460234yqt21292" =
class=3D"yiv8654460234yqt8572987622"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-=
top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"yiv86544602=
34MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;font=
-weight:bold;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
sans-serif;"> Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>[email-masked]<br cle=
ar=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, F=
ebruary 17, 2025 6:52 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bo=
ld;">To:</span></b> 'James Frey' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'Michael Salter=
' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> 'Healey List' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<b=
r clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [=
Healeys] The Future of Healey Ownership</span></p></div></div><p class=3D"y=
iv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=
<p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;">Michael, Jim and All:</span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;=
</span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Your comments below have me thinking about wha=
t I have valued in my Austin-Healeys, and by extension what others do, will=
, or might value in them =E2=80=93 as balanced against the costs of buying,=
 restoring, upgrading or maintaining the cars.</span></p><p class=3D"yiv865=
4460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">=
 &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">The Healey was never the fastest car I =
owned, and it was never the absolute best handling (though, the last BJ-8 w=
ith a new frame and gas shocks does handle pretty well). Obviously the Heal=
ey never had the most up-to-date safety features, and its exterior and dash=
 lighting needed LED upgrades to perform even adequately. The list of thing=
s the cars were not is endless I compared to modern cars=E2=80=A6</span></p=
><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">BUT: driving a Heale=
y usually put a smile on my face, and it appeared to put smiles on a lot of=
 other people=E2=80=99s faces when out and about. As you all know, you cann=
ot drive one of these cars without getting smiles, waves, thumbs-up, casual=
 nods, etc =E2=80=93 all acknowledging the wonderful looks the Healeys have=
!&nbsp; If you park one, you will undoubtedly find your self in a conversat=
ion with someone who either had one and sold it, wished he had bought one w=
ay back when, wished he could buy one now, had an uncle who had one, or a c=
ousin, or a friend=E2=80=99s dad, or, or, or=E2=80=A6 - you know how it goe=
s!&nbsp; </span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654=
460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">A=
s much fun as it has been to drive my Healeys all over the US and Canada, a=
s well as Norway, Denmark and Sweden =E2=80=93 I can say that maintaining t=
he cars has been the sore spot for me, and I=E2=80=99m now at an age and ph=
ysical condition where it=E2=80=99s somewhere between really-not-fun, reall=
y-not-practical and really-not-possible anymore. As such, this conversation=
 hits home for me.</span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=
=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:san=
s-serif;">SO =E2=80=93 what do I think about the future of Healey ownership=
? I suspect there will always be a small cadre of serious collectors who wa=
nt and value cars that are as original as possible (whether =E2=80=9Cconcou=
rs=E2=80=9D level, or just plain nice cars!). The pool of cars that survive=
 in such condition is shrinking gradually, but then so is the pool of such =
people! </span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"yiv86544=
60234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I =
also suspect that there is a substantial and growing group who would love t=
he opportunity to have a car with the classic styling of an Austin-Healey, =
but the reliability and drivability of a modern car. =E2=80=9CModern=E2=80=
=9D in this context may well be a very plastic term =E2=80=93 meaning diffe=
rent things to different generations.&nbsp; For today=E2=80=99s purposes I =
ask you all whether the future might be electric? An Austin-Healey that has=
 good acceleration and brakes, good handling, no fluid leaks (!!) and far f=
ewer to no 60 year-old parts to go bad =E2=80=93 all combined with the clas=
sic lines of the Healey.</span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><p c=
lass=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:sans-serif;">What do you say?</span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></=
p><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:sans-serif;">-----------------------------------</span></p><p c=
lass=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:sans-serif;">All the best,</span></p><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p><=
p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:sans-serif;">Al Fuller</span></p></div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span>=
</p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3=
.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p style=3D"" class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;font-weight:bold;">From:</=
span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> Healeys =
&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:healeys-=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b><span sty=
le=3D"font-weight:bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>James Frey via Healeys<br =
clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday=
, February 16, 2025 3:10 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight=
:bold;">To:</span></b> Michael Salter &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noref=
errer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> =
Healey List &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:heal=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Healeys] Hello</spa=
n></p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><div><div><div id=3D"yiv865446023=
4yqt23825" class=3D"yiv8654460234yqt8572987622"><p class=3D"yiv8654460234Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;">The costs you cite below are ine=
xorably linked to the =E2=80=9CWhat to Do with our Healeys=E2=80=9D questio=
n that was also raised. &nbsp;Over the last several years, I have restored/=
built 3 cars with most of the work done by a local shop (one of which was a=
 Bugeye). &nbsp;I needed to have most work performed by my shop. &nbsp;Alth=
ough my skills are moderate and I enjoy turning wrenches, my time available=
 to do so has lessened in recent years. &nbsp;</span></p><div><p class=3D"y=
iv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=
</div></div><div><div id=3D"yiv8654460234yqt25479" class=3D"yiv8654460234yq=
t8572987622"><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.5pt;">Given the above circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times market=
 value on the purchase price, work performed, parts, etc. &nbsp;I consider =
myself lucky to have a trusted local shop, but depending on where you live =
(even assuming you are willing to spend the money), it can be extraordinari=
ly difficult to get the cars serviced, let alone have significant restorati=
on work done. &nbsp;I also don=E2=80=99t see the value of most Healeys goin=
g up much, and it might go down given the (arguably) shrinking market/demog=
raphics for these cars. &nbsp;</span></p><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;">So given m=
y recent experience, as much as I might love to own a BJ8 and would conside=
r myself =E2=80=9Ca trusted steward=E2=80=9D, paying significant dollars (e=
ven for a beautifully restored car) in a declining market might not be the =
best idea. &nbsp;As for a car that =E2=80=9Cneeds work=E2=80=9D, I=E2=80=99=
m starting to feel like I=E2=80=99ve been there and done that a little too =
often. &nbsp;Also, there are fun (more modern) cars out there for similar d=
ollars that don=E2=80=99t present the same financial risk and difficulties =
in selling. &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;">Lastly, I=E2=80=
=99m 61 (so not =E2=80=9Cyoung=E2=80=9D) and I think those that are younger=
 than me are an even tougher sell. &nbsp;I have 2 adult sons that have a mo=
derate interest in cars and the =E2=80=9Cold cars=E2=80=9D they might have =
an interest in are probably from 2000-2010. &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;<=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.5pt;">The market is undeniably softer than previously, but I actu=
ally think current values are a sellers market, even in the US. &nbsp;With =
the potential for declining demand, it=E2=80=99s hard for me to see an impr=
oving Healey market over the next 10+ years. &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.5pt;">Jim</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div></div><div><di=
v id=3D"yiv8654460234yqt41492" class=3D"yiv8654460234yqt8572987622"><p clas=
s=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</spa=
n></p><div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p><blockquote style=
=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16=E2=80=
=AFPM, Michael Salter &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</spa=
n></p></div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12=
.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p><div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Very good question.&nbsp;</span></p><div><p c=
lass=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">All the w=
ork that you describe requires an individual with significant skill(s). The=
se tasks are not something that your "run of the mill" parts changer can un=
dertake.&nbsp; In our part of the world (Canada) those "parts changers", wi=
thout breaking a sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which equates to $50/hr=
. $50/hr paid to the tradesman will typically be charged out at an hourly r=
ate of at least $100.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">In my book a full restoration takes 1=
200 hours at least, usually a lot more to produce concours standards.</span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.0pt;">So labour ONLY $120K.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv865446=
0234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Parts and materials usuall=
y at least 50% of labour. $60K.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460=
234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Incidentals at least anothe=
r $20K</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">It's getting up there </span><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:UI sans-serif;">=F0=9F=98=B3=F0=9F=98=B3</span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.0pt;">M</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv8=
654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p><di=
v><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;=
">On Sun., Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a rel=
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font-family:Sans;">The list has been very quiet for a long time.</span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:Sans;">How about a discussion about the cost of restoring a=
 BN1?&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Sans;">The metal work is About 90% do=
ne. The remaining work includes final fitting all body panels, preparing fo=
r paint &amp; final painting.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv865446023=
4MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Sans;">Wiring, plum=
bing including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the windscreen, con=
vertible top, side curtains including providing all material where necessar=
y.&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Sans;">Rebuild the engine including all =
the machining. I have all the necessary components.</span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:Sans;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8654460234MsoNormal">=
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The comment about Concours cars selling for 'half of what they're worth' is
an interesting one.
Who determines worth, and is it different from selling price?
My brothers and I have been working on all makes and models of British cars
since we were kids, it was our dad's business until he died in 2011.
No one seems interested in buying cars that need to have work completed,
each of us have had long timelines to sell some of these cars in the past 5
years.
I'm not young, but not that old at 47. I do my own work, so I'll still be
interested in finding cars that need some love.
If the price on XKEs goes down, I won't be sad, I'll be looking to buy an
S3 OTS.

On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 12:08=E2=80=AFAM Mike Sinclair via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Well, I stirred up the list!  The car hasn't seen much action lately; has
> been cold in the NW.  We had a few nights below freezing, highs in the
> 30s.  Warmer now, tho.
>
> Mike
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The comment about Concours cars selling for &#39;half of w=
hat they&#39;re worth&#39; is an interesting one.=C2=A0<div>Who determines =
worth, and is it different from selling=C2=A0price?</div><div>My brothers a=
nd I have been working on all makes and models of British cars since we wer=
e kids, it was our dad&#39;s business until he died in 2011.</div><div>No o=
ne seems interested in buying cars that need to have work completed, each o=
f us have had long timelines to sell some of these cars in the past 5 years=
.</div><div>I&#39;m not young, but not that old at 47. I do my own work, so=
 I&#39;ll still be interested in finding cars that need some love.</div><di=
v>If the price on XKEs goes down, I won&#39;t be sad, I&#39;ll be looking t=
o buy an S3 OTS.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_conta=
iner"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 12:08=
=E2=80=AFAM Mike Sinclair via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
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    <p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">Well, I stirred up the list!=C2=A0 =
The
        car hasn&#39;t seen much action lately; has been cold in the NW.=C2=
=A0 We
        had a few nights below freezing, highs in the 30s.=C2=A0 Warmer now=
,
        tho.</font></p>
    <p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">Mike<br>
      </font></p>
    <div>On 2/16/25 8:14 AM, Mike Sinclair via
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      <p><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">Mike<br>
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Today I received a huge amount of messages from the list. It has been 
more than a year since I got practically anye. No idea what happened.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 16-2-2025 om 18:41 schreef warthodson--- via Healeys:
> Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting 
> the windscreen, convertible top, side curtains including providing all 
> material where necessary.
> Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all the 
> necessary components.
>
> Gary Hodson
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    <p>Today I received a huge amount of messages from the list. It has
      been more than a year since I got practically anye. No idea what
      happened.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 16-2-2025 om 18:41 schreef
      warthodson--- via Healeys:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The list has been very quiet
          for a long time.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">How about a discussion about
          the cost of restoring a BN1? </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The metal work is About 90%
          done. The remaining work includes final fitting all body
          panels, preparing for paint &amp; final painting.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Wiring, plumbing including
          rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the windscreen,
          convertible top, side curtains including providing all
          material where necessary. </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Rebuild the engine including
          all the machining. I have all the necessary components.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Gary Hodson</div>
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Use a paper gasket smeared with any sealant like Permatex. Not really 
critical.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 17-2-2025 om 05:30 schreef Michael Oritt:suicidal let's discuss the 
probabilities of developing prostate cancer (which I've had).
> For me I'd rather read about something related to the use of our cars 
> and I still haven't seen a response to my question about thermostat 
> gasket sealant.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 9:01 PM James Frey via Healeys 
>     The costs you cite below are inexorably linked to the “What to Do
>     with our Healeys” question that was also raised. Over the last
>     several years, I have restored/built 3 cars with most of the work
>     done by a local shop (one of which was a Bugeye).  I needed to
>     have most work performed by my shop.  Although my skills are
>     moderate and I enjoy turning wrenches, my time available to do so
>     has lessened in recent years.
>
>     Given the above circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times
>     market value on the purchase price, work performed, parts, etc.  I
>     consider myself lucky to have a trusted local shop, but depending
>     on where you live (even assuming you are willing to spend the
>     money), it can be extraordinarily difficult to get the cars
>     serviced, let alone have significant restoration work done.  I
>     also don’t see the value of most Healeys going up much, and it
>     might go down given the (arguably) shrinking market/demographics
>     for these cars.
>
>     So given my recent experience, as much as I might love to own a
>     BJ8 and would consider myself “a trusted steward”, paying
>     significant dollars (even for a beautifully restored car) in a
>     declining market might not be the best idea.  As for a car that
>     “needs work”, I’m starting to feel like I’ve been there and done
>     that a little too often. Also, there are fun (more modern) cars
>     out there for similar dollars that don’t present the same
>     financial risk and difficulties in selling.
>
>     Lastly, I’m 61 (so not “young”) and I think those that are younger
>     than me are an even tougher sell.  I have 2 adult sons that have a
>     moderate interest in cars and the “old cars” they might have an
>     interest in are probably from 2000-2010.
>
>     The market is undeniably softer than previously, but I actually
>     think current values are a sellers market, even in the US.  With
>     the potential for declining demand, it’s hard for me to see an
>     improving Healey market over the next 10+ years.
>
>     Jim
>
>
>
>>     On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16 PM, Michael Salter
>>     All the work that you describe requires an individual with
>>     significant skill(s). These tasks are not something that your
>>     "run of the mill" parts changer can undertake.  In our part of
>>     the world (Canada) those "parts changers", without breaking a
>>     sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which equates to $50/hr.
>>     $50/hr paid to the tradesman will typically be charged out at an
>>     In my book a full restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually
>>     a lot more to produce concours standards.
>>     So labour ONLY $120K.
>>     It's getting up there 😳😳
>>     On Sun., Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys,
>>         The metal work is About 90% done. The remaining work includes
>>         final fitting all body panels, preparing for paint & final
>>         painting.
>>         Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior,
>>         fitting the windscreen, convertible top, side curtains
>>         including providing all material where necessary.
>>         Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all
>>         the necessary components.
>>
>>         Gary Hodson
>>
>>
>>         On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike
>>         Sinclair via Healeys <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>>

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    <p>Use a paper gasket smeared with any sealant like Permatex. Not
      really critical.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 17-2-2025 om 05:30 schreef Michael
      Oritt:suicidal let's discuss the probabilities of developing
      prostate cancer (which I've had).</div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">For me
          I'd rather read about something related to the use of our cars
          and I still haven't seen a response to my question about
          thermostat gasket sealant.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">Best--Michael
          Oritt</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at
          9:01 PM James Frey via Healeys &lt;<a
            href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div>
            <div dir="auto">
              <div dir="auto">
                <div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:14px">The costs
                    you cite below are inexorably linked to the “What to
                    Do with our Healeys” question that was also raised. 
                    Over the last several years, I have restored/built 3
                    cars with most of the work done by a local shop (one
                    of which was a Bugeye).  I needed to have most work
                    performed by my shop.  Although my skills are
                    moderate and I enjoy turning wrenches, my time
                    available to do so has lessened in recent years.  </span>
                  <div><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
                    </span></div>
                  <div><span style="font-size:14px">Given the above
                      circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times
                      market value on the purchase price, work
                      performed, parts, etc.  I consider myself lucky to
                      have a trusted local shop, but depending on where
                      you live (even assuming you are willing to spend
                      the money), it can be extraordinarily difficult to
                      get the cars serviced, let alone have significant
                      restoration work done.  I also don’t see the value
                      of most Healeys going up much, and it might go
                      down given the (arguably) shrinking
                      market/demographics for these cars.  </span>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
                      </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px">So given my recent
                        experience, as much as I might love to own a BJ8
                        and would consider myself “a trusted steward”,
                        paying significant dollars (even for a
                        beautifully restored car) in a declining market
                        might not be the best idea.  As for a car that
                        “needs work”, I’m starting to feel like I’ve
                        been there and done that a little too often. 
                        Also, there are fun (more modern) cars out there
                        for similar dollars that don’t present the same
                        financial risk and difficulties in selling.  </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
                      </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px">Lastly, I’m 61 (so
                        not “young”) and I think those that are younger
                        than me are an even tougher sell.  I have 2
                        adult sons that have a moderate interest in cars
                        and the “old cars” they might have an interest
                        in are probably from 2000-2010.  </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
                      </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px">The market is
                        undeniably softer than previously, but I
                        actually think current values are a sellers
                        market, even in the US.  With the potential for
                        declining demand, it’s hard for me to see an
                        improving Healey market over the next 10+ years.
                         </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
                      </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px">Jim</span></div>
                    <div><font size="3"><br>
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id="m_-1184394919334468650lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
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                          <div>On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16 PM, Michael
                            Salter &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                            wrote:</div>
                          <br>
                          <div>
                            <div dir="auto">Very good question. 
                              <div dir="auto">All the work that you
                                describe requires an individual with
                                significant skill(s). These tasks are
                                not something that your "run of the
                                mill" parts changer can undertake.  In
                                our part of the world (Canada) those
                                "parts changers", without breaking a
                                sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which
                                equates to $50/hr. $50/hr paid to the
                                tradesman will typically be charged out
                                at an hourly rate of at least $100.</div>
                              <div dir="auto">In my book a full
                                restoration takes 1200 hours at least,
                                usually a lot more to produce concours
                                standards.</div>
                              <div dir="auto">So labour ONLY $120K.</div>
                              <div dir="auto">Parts and materials
                                usually at least 50% of labour. $60K.</div>
                              <div dir="auto">Incidentals at least
                                another $20K</div>
                              <div dir="auto">It's getting up there 😳😳</div>
                              <div dir="auto"><br>
                              </div>
                              <div dir="auto">M</div>
                              <div dir="auto"><br>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun.,
                                Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson---
                                via Healeys, &lt;<a
                                  href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                                wrote:<br>
                              </div>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                <div>
                                  <div
style="font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px">
                                    <div dir="ltr">The list has been
                                      very quiet for a long time.</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr">How about a
                                      discussion about the cost of
                                      restoring a BN1? </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr">The metal work is
                                      About 90% done. The remaining work
                                      includes final fitting all body
                                      panels, preparing for paint &amp;
                                      final painting.</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr">Wiring, plumbing
                                      including rebuilding the brakes,
                                      interior, fitting the windscreen,
                                      convertible top, side curtains
                                      including providing all material
                                      where necessary. </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr">Rebuild the engine
                                      including all the machining. I
                                      have all the necessary components.</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr">Gary Hodson</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr"> </div>
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                                        <div> On Sunday, February 16,
                                          2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike
                                          Sinclair via Healeys &lt;<a
href="mailto:[email-masked]" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: </div>
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                                              <p><font size="2"
                                                  face="Tahoma">Is it
                                                  me, or is the list
                                                  quiet?  I haven't seen
                                                  anything for quite a
                                                  while?</font></p>
                                              <p><font size="2"
                                                  face="Tahoma">Mik<br>
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