Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT

From: HealeyRick <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 11:57:04 -0500

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Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepresented what to
whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame and possible
replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or was it the
original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There's probably some
grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, I can't help
thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those "The Healey Lawyer"
columns in the *Marque?*

*Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"*

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:41=E2=80=AFAM S and T Miller <stmiller96@hotmail.=
com>
wrote:

> Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to cast some doubt on it
> being a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a combination of both BN1 and
> BN2 is plain false. Since I was the one who showed him in person why it w=
as
> a BN1 chassis he wanted to use my name saying we "believe" its a BN1
> chassis,  and I replied that "believe" doesn't categorize my opinion. Tha=
t
> everything points to being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2.
> Intesting note on the added restoration photos, #311 clearly shows the cu=
t
> out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo. Odd it is on a painted
> frame, but the BN2 one must have been welded in later. I'd thought maybe =
it
> was of a different frame, but the front frame extensions are missing in t=
he
> pictured one as we'll, so probably not.
>
> I realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that someone
> misrepresented to him,  but I kinda feel not so great about his
> representation of the car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall.
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:45:57 -0800
> From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
> Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
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>
> The expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated in the text, but buried
> in the video according to a commenter (I didn't watch it). It appears to
> me the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical fence, apparently
> with BaT's blessing
>
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test
> drive."
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepre=
sented what to whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame =
and possible replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or wa=
s it the original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There&#39;s pro=
bably some grist for a lawyer&#39;s mill in all this. (retired lawyer, I ca=
n&#39;t help thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those &quot;The=
 Healey Lawyer&quot; columns in the <i>Marque?</i><div><i><br></i></div><di=
v><i>Rick Neville, aka &quot;HealeyRick&quot;</i></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 27, 2023=
 at 8:41=E2=80=AFAM S and T Miller &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stmiller96@hotmail=
.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:inherit;font-size:inherit;color:inherit;backgroun=
d-color:transparent">
Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to cast some doubt on it b=
eing a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a combination of both BN1 and BN=
2 is plain false. Since I was the one who showed him in person why it was a=
 BN1 chassis he wanted to use my
 name saying we &quot;believe&quot; its a BN1 chassis,=C2=A0 and I replied =
that &quot;believe&quot; doesn&#39;t categorize my opinion. That everything=
 points to being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:inherit;font-size:inherit;color:inherit;backgroun=
d-color:transparent">
Intesting note on the added restoration photos, #311 clearly shows the cut =
out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo. Odd it is on a painted fram=
e, but the BN2 one must have been welded in later. I&#39;d thought maybe it=
 was of a different frame, but the front
 frame extensions are missing in the pictured one as we&#39;ll, so probably=
 not.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:inherit;color:inherit;background-color:transparen=
t">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:inherit;color:inherit;background-color:transparen=
t">
I realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that someone misreprese=
nted to him,=C2=A0 but I kinda feel not so great about his representation o=
f the car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall.=C2=A0</div>
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t">
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serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2=
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serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">From: Bob Spidell &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comca=
st.net</a>&gt;</span><br style=3D"box-sizing:content-box;font-family:Roboto=
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serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">Subject: Re: [Heale=
ys] 100M Back on BaT</span><br style=3D"box-sizing:content-box;font-family:=
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serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">The expos? of the i=
ncorrect frame isn&#39;t stated in the text, but buried</span><br style=3D"=
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ize:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style=3D"font-size:14.6667px;font-family:Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-=
serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">in the video accord=
ing to a commenter (I didn&#39;t watch it). It appears to</span><br style=
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nt-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style=3D"font-size:14.6667px;font-family:Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-=
serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">me the seller is at=
tempting to straddle an ethical fence, apparently</span><br style=3D"box-si=
zing:content-box;font-family:Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14=
.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style=3D"font-size:14.6667px;font-family:Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-=
serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">with BaT&#39;s bles=
sing</span><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Millers<br>
=C2=A0<br>
&quot;Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a tes=
t drive.&quot;<br>
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From: S and T Miller <[email-masked]>
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 10:21:29 -0800

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I haven't paid much attention to BaT, except to check out interesting 
Healeys that come up and I only created an account to comment on this 
car. But, from what I've seen I think it's a little fishy that a couple 
large bids--$50K and $75K ($75K should be top dollar for this car 
IMO)--came in fairly quickly. From watching a few auctions it seemed 
there would be a few lowball bids, then a few more would work the price 
up but the serious would-be buyers would wait and watch then throw a 
potentially winning bid in at the last few minutes, if not the last few 
seconds. What do they call it when a seller's buddies throw in a large 
bids to gin up apparent interest; 'shill bidding?'

It appears the seller is working on a "You didn't read the fine print 
(watch the video); it's on you" defense. I'm still surprised Bill 
certified this as an M;  'LeMans conversion' probably would have been 
more appropriate.

Bob

On 12/27/2023 9:49 AM, S and T Miller wrote:
> Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he initially 
> knew about the chassis and possible motor/ carb questions. He really 
> doesn't have a good understanding of Healeys. And I even can 
> understand to a point that he might be trying to even convince himself 
> that it might be more than it actually is. But how he has represented 
> it after receiving a good assessment,  just sits a bit wrong with me.
>
> Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion" took place. 
> But the idea that the front cross bracing was bent to look like a M 
> cam was installed, and the two under the dash BN1 OD relay holes (4) 
> being so carefully concealed, tells me someone was trying to make it 
> look legit.
>
> And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price how much of 
> it really matters. It is a sharp looking car.
>
>
> The Millers
>
> "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a 
> test drive."
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* HealeyRick <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 AM
> *To:* S and T Miller <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; 
> [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
> Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepresented what 
> to whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame and 
> possible replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or 
> was it the original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There's 
> probably some grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, 
> I can't help thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those "The 
> Healey Lawyer" columns in the /Marque?/
> /
> /
> /Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"/
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:41 AM S and T Miller 
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>     Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to cast some
>     doubt on it being a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a
>     combination of both BN1 and BN2 is plain false. Since I was the
>     one who showed him in person why it was a BN1 chassis he wanted to
>     use my name saying we "believe" its a BN1 chassis,  and I replied
>     that "believe" doesn't categorize my opinion. That everything
>     points to being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2.
>     Intesting note on the added restoration photos, #311 clearly shows
>     the cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo. Odd it is
>     on a painted frame, but the BN2 one must have been welded in
>     later. I'd thought maybe it was of a different frame, but the
>     front frame extensions are missing in the pictured one as we'll,
>     so probably not.
>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
>     "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a
>     test drive."
>

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    I haven't paid much attention to BaT, except to check out
    interesting Healeys that come up and I only created an account to
    comment on this car. But, from what I've seen I think it's a little
    fishy that a couple large bids--$50K and $75K ($75K should be top
    dollar for this car IMO)--came in fairly quickly. From watching a
    few auctions it seemed there would be a few lowball bids, then a few
    more would work the price up but the serious would-be buyers would
    wait and watch then throw a potentially winning bid in at the last
    few minutes, if not the last few seconds. What do they call it when
    a seller's buddies throw in a large bids to gin up apparent
    interest; 'shill bidding?'<br>
    <br>
    It appears the seller is working on a "You didn't read the fine
    print (watch the video); it's on you" defense. I'm still surprised
    Bill certified this as an M;  'LeMans conversion' probably would
    have been more appropriate.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/27/2023 9:49 AM, S and T Miller
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <div
style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; background-color: transparent;">
      </div>
      <div>Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he
        initially knew about the chassis and possible motor/ carb
        questions. He really doesn't have a good understanding of
        Healeys. And I even can understand to a point that he might be
        trying to even convince himself that it might be more than it
        actually is. But how he has represented it after receiving a
        good assessment,  just sits a bit wrong with me. <br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion"
        took place. But the idea that the front cross bracing was bent
        to look like a M cam was installed, and the two under the dash
        BN1 OD relay holes (4) being so carefully concealed, tells me
        someone was trying to make it look legit. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price
        how much of it really matters. It is a sharp looking car. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>The Millers<br>
         <br>
        "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is
        a test drive."<br>
      </div>
      <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1">
      <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
          face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
          HealeyRick <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 AM<br>
          <b>To:</b> S and T Miller <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>;
          <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</font>
        <div> </div>
      </div>
      <div>
        <div dir="ltr">Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who
          misrepresented what to whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a
          100M with a BN1 frame and possible replacement motor to the
          original buyer who was clueless or was it the original buyer
          that was doing the misrepresenting? There's probably some
          grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, I
          can't help thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of
          those "The Healey Lawyer" columns in the
          <i>Marque?</i>
          <div><i><br>
            </i></div>
          <div><i>Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"</i></div>
        </div>
        <br>
        <div class="x_gmail_quote">
          <div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at
            8:41 AM S and T Miller &lt;<a
              href="mailto:[email-masked]"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote class="x_gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex">
            <div>
              <div
style="font-family:inherit; font-size:inherit; color:inherit; background-color:transparent">
                Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to cast
                some doubt on it being a BN1 chassis. Saying the
                firewall is a combination of both BN1 and BN2 is plain
                false. Since I was the one who showed him in person why
                it was a BN1 chassis he wanted to use my name saying we
                "believe" its a BN1 chassis,  and I replied that
                "believe" doesn't categorize my opinion. That everything
                points to being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2. </div>
              <div
style="font-family:inherit; font-size:inherit; color:inherit; background-color:transparent">
                Intesting note on the added restoration photos, #311
                clearly shows the cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the
                restoration photo. Odd it is on a painted frame, but the
                BN2 one must have been welded in later. I'd thought
                maybe it was of a different frame, but the front frame
                extensions are missing in the pictured one as we'll, so
                probably not.</div>
              <div
style="font-family:inherit; color:inherit; background-color:transparent"><br>
              </div>
              <div
style="font-family:inherit; color:inherit; background-color:transparent">I
                realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that
                someone misrepresented to him,  but I kinda feel not so
                great about his representation of the car on BAT. Again
                it is a nice car overall. </div>
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style="font-family:inherit; color:inherit; background-color:transparent"><br
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                <span
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                  Bob Spidell &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br
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                  &lt;<a
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                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br
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                <span
style="font-size:14.6667px; font-family:Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline">The
                  expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated in the
                  text, but buried</span><br
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                <span
style="font-size:14.6667px; font-family:Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline">in
                  the video according to a commenter (I didn't watch
                  it). It appears to</span><br
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                <span
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                  the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical fence,
                  apparently</span><br
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                <span
style="font-size:14.6667px; font-family:Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color:rgb(255,255,255); display:inline">with
                  BaT's blessing</span><br>
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              <div>The Millers<br>
                 <br>
                "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an
                antique car is a test drive."<br>
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To understand it. What is the difference between this 100M car on offer and=
=20
a 100 BN1 modified with a 100 Le Mans kit, which has been given a different=
=20
identity through a swapped chassis number?
For me both cars are very similar.
=20
Josef Eckert
Germany
=20
=20
=20
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
Datum: 2023-12-27T20:48:57+0100
Von: "S and T Miller" <[email-masked]>
An: "HealeyRick" <[email-masked]>
=20
=20
=20
=20
Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he initially knew=
=20
about the chassis and possible motor/ carb questions. He really doesn't=20
have a good understanding of Healeys. And I even can understand to a point=
=20
that he might be trying to even convince himself that it might be more than=
=20
it actually is. But how he has represented it after receiving a good=20
assessment,  just sits a bit wrong with me.=20
=20
Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion" took place. But=
=20
the idea that the front cross bracing was bent to look like a M cam was=20
installed, and the two under the dash BN1 OD relay holes (4) being so=20
carefully concealed, tells me someone was trying to make it look legit.=20
=20
And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price how much of it=
=20
really matters. It is a sharp looking car.=20
=20
=20
The Millers
=20
"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test=20
drive."
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From: HealeyRick <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 AM
To: S and T Miller <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]=20
<[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
=20
Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepresented what to=20
whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame and possible=20
replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or was it the=20
original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There's probably some=20
grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, I can't help=20
thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those "The Healey Lawyer"=20
columns in the Marque?
=20
Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:41=E2=80=AFAM S and T Miller <stmiller96@hotmail.=
com
  Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to cast some doubt on it
  being a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a combination of both BN1 and
  BN2 is plain false. Since I was the one who showed him in person why it
  was a BN1 chassis he wanted to use my name saying we "believe" its a BN1
  chassis,  and I replied that "believe" doesn't categorize my opinion.
  That everything points to being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2.=20
  Intesting note on the added restoration photos, #311 clearly shows the
  cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo. Odd it is on a
  painted frame, but the BN2 one must have been welded in later. I'd
  thought maybe it was of a different frame, but the front frame extensions
  are missing in the pictured one as we'll, so probably not.
  =20
  I realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that someone
  misrepresented to him,  but I kinda feel not so great about his
  representation of the car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall.=20

  Message: 2
  Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:45:57 -0800
  Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=
=3DUTF-8"/><title></title></head><body><p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;te=
xt-decoration:none"><span class=3D"HwtZe" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"jCAhz =
ChMk0b"><span class=3D"ryNqvb">To understand it.</span></span> <span class=
=3D"jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class=3D"ryNqvb">What is the difference between thi=
s 100M car on offer and a 100 BN1 modified with a 100 Le Mans kit, which ha=
s been given a different identity through a swapped chassis number?</span><=
/span></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><span class=3D"HwtZ=
e" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class=3D"ryNqvb">For me b=
oth cars are very similar.</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><span class=3D"HwtZ=
e" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class=3D"ryNqvb">Josef Ec=
kert</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"><span class=3D"HwtZ=
e" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class=3D"ryNqvb">Germany<=
/span></span></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-12-27T20:48:57+0100</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "S and T Miller" &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "HealeyRick" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div style=3D"position: relative; color: #000000; font: 12px Arial,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif;">
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</div>
<div>Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he initially k=
new about the chassis and possible motor/ carb questions. He really doesn't=
 have a good understanding of Healeys. And I even can understand to a point=
 that he might be trying to even convince himself that it might be more tha=
n it actually is. But how he has represented it after receiving a good asse=
ssment,&nbsp; just sits a bit wrong with me.&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion" took place. =
But the idea that the front cross bracing was bent to look like a M cam was=
 installed, and the two under the dash BN1 OD relay holes (4) being so care=
fully concealed, tells me someone was trying to make it look legit.&nbsp;</=
div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price how much of=
 it really matters. It is a sharp looking car.&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The Millers<br />&nbsp;<br />"Always drive them, but remember each dri=
ve in an antique car is a test drive."</div>
<hr style=3D"display: inline-block; width: 98%;" tabindex=3D"-1" />
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-famil=
y: Calibri, sans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong> HealeyRick &lt;healeyrik@gm=
ail.com&gt;<br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 =
AM<br /><strong>To:</strong> S and T Miller &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<=
br /><strong>Cc:</strong> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;=
; [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br /><strong>Subjec=
t:</strong> Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</span>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepre=
sented what to whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame =
and possible replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or wa=
s it the original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There's probabl=
y some grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, I can't help=
 thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those "The Healey Lawyer" c=
olumns in the <em>Marque?</em>
<div><em>&nbsp;</em></div>
<div><em>Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"</em></div>
</div>
<br />
<div class=3D"x_gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"x_gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:41=E2=80=
=AFAM S and T Miller &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">stmiller=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; bor=
der-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: transparent;">Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is tryi=
ng to cast some doubt on it being a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a c=
ombination of both BN1 and BN2 is plain false. Since I was the one who show=
ed him in person why it was a BN1 chassis he wanted to use my name saying w=
e "believe" its a BN1 chassis,&nbsp; and I replied that "believe" doesn't c=
ategorize my opinion. That everything points to being a BN1 chassis and not=
hing to a BN2.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: transparent;">Intesting note on the added restoration photos=
, #311 clearly shows the cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo=
. Odd it is on a painted frame, but the BN2 one must have been welded in la=
ter. I'd thought maybe it was of a different frame, but the front frame ext=
ensions are missing in the pictured one as we'll, so probably not.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; color: inherit; background-color: trans=
parent;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; color: inherit; background-color: trans=
parent;">I realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that someone m=
isrepresented to him,&nbsp; but I kinda feel not so great about his represe=
ntation of the car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; color: inherit; background-color: trans=
parent;"><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Hel=
vetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Messa=
ge: 2</span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,=
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Da=
te: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:45:57 -0800</span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
4.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color:=
 #ffffff; display: inline;">From: Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidel=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br /><span style=3D"font=
-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; backgroun=
d-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net">[email-masked]</a></span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.=
6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #=
ffffff; display: inline;">Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</span><br=
 /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Message-ID: &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">229b7fa6=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br /><span style=3D=
"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; back=
ground-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=
=3D"utf-8"; Format=3D"flowed"</span><br /><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
4.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color:=
 #ffffff; display: inline;">The expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated =
in the text, but buried</span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; fo=
nt-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; di=
splay: inline;">in the video according to a commenter (I didn't watch it). =
It appears to</span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family:=
 Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inl=
ine;">me the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical fence, apparently<=
/span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">with BaT=
's blessing</span></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The Millers<br />&nbsp;<br />"Always drive them, but remember each dri=
ve in an antique car is a test drive."</div>
</div>
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So its a rebuilt BN1 and one used parts of a BN2 (100M) to complete it. At=
=20
the end the one who repuilt it decided to swap the original VIN tag of the=
=20
BN1 against the one of the perhaps scrapped 100M he used the parts of for=
=20
his rebuild.
=20
Josef Eckert
Germany
=20
=20
=20
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
Datum: 2023-12-28T13:23:57+0100
Von: "S and T Miller" <[email-masked]>
An: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>, "HealeyRick"=20
<[email-masked]>
=20
=20
=20
=20
The car on offer does have some valid M parts. Vin tag, cockpit trim, boot.=
=20
The engine I'd put a question mark next to because of the repro tag,=20
possibly incorrect carbs and incorrect distributor. I'm not really familiar=
=20
with original cold air boxes, but it did appear old.=20
I also felt IMO that the bonnet looked suspiciously clean and fresh. The=20
boot showed no evidence of the prop mount being removed and the boot itself=
=20
showed some signs of aging prior to restoration (namely some pitting). I=20
can't say that same about the bonnet in terms of the aging. The area where=
=20
the numbers are stamped has a support behind it. So in theory the number=20
could be cut out of an original bonnet and grafted into another new bonnet,=
=20
but this is just speculation and would take carefully scutiny to determine.=
=20
=20
=20
=20
The Millers
=20
"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test=20
drive."
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From: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 2:58 PM
To: S and T Miller <[email-masked]>; HealeyRick=20
<[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: AW: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
=20
To understand it. What is the difference between this 100M car on offer and=
=20
a 100 BN1 modified with a 100 Le Mans kit, which has been given a different=
=20
identity through a swapped chassis number?
For me both cars are very similar.
=20
Josef Eckert
Germany
=20
=20
=20
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
Datum: 2023-12-27T20:48:57+0100
Von: "S and T Miller" <[email-masked]>
An: "HealeyRick" <[email-masked]>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=
=3DUTF-8"/><title></title></head><body><p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;te=
xt-decoration:none">So its a rebuilt BN1 and one used parts of a BN2 (100M)=
 to complete it. At the end the one who repuilt it decided to swap the orig=
inal VIN tag of the BN1 against the one of the perhaps scrapped 100M he use=
d the parts of for his rebuild.<br /></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Josef Eckert</span>=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Germany</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-12-28T13:23:57+0100</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "S and T Miller" &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "[email-masked]" &lt;josef-eckert@t=
-online.de&gt;, "HealeyRick" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div style=3D"position: relative; color: #000000; font: 12px Arial,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif;">
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</div>
<div>The car on offer does have some valid M parts. Vin tag, cockpit trim, =
boot. The engine I'd put a question mark next to because of the repro tag, =
possibly incorrect carbs and incorrect distributor. I'm not really familiar=
 with original cold air boxes, but it did appear old.&nbsp;</div>
<div>I also felt IMO that the bonnet looked suspiciously clean and fresh. T=
he boot showed no evidence of the prop mount being removed and the boot its=
elf showed some signs of aging prior to restoration (namely some pitting). =
I can't say that same about the bonnet in terms of the aging. The area wher=
e the numbers are stamped has a support behind it. So in theory the number =
could be cut out of an original bonnet and grafted into another new bonnet,=
 but this is just speculation and would take carefully scutiny to determine=
.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The Millers<br />&nbsp;<br />"Always drive them, but remember each dri=
ve in an antique car is a test drive."</div>
<hr style=3D"display: inline-block; width: 98%;" tabindex=3D"-1" />
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-famil=
y: Calibri, sans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong> [email-masked] &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt;<br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, Decem=
ber 27, 2023 2:58 PM<br /><strong>To:</strong> S and T Miller &lt;stmiller9=
[email-masked]&gt;; HealeyRick &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br /><strong>Cc:<=
/strong> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br /><strong=
>Subject:</strong> AW: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</span>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"><span class=
=3D"x_HwtZe" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span class=3D"x_=
ryNqvb">To understand it.</span></span> <span class=3D"x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><s=
pan class=3D"x_ryNqvb">What is the difference between this 100M car on offe=
r and a 100 BN1 modified with a 100 Le Mans kit, which has been given a dif=
ferent identity through a swapped chassis number?</span></span></span></spa=
n></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"><span class=
=3D"x_HwtZe" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span class=3D"x_=
ryNqvb">For me both cars are very similar.</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"><span class=
=3D"x_HwtZe" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span class=3D"x_=
ryNqvb">Josef Eckert</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"><span class=
=3D"x_HwtZe" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span class=3D"x_=
ryNqvb">Germany</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-12-27T20:48:57+0100</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "S and T Miller" &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "HealeyRick" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div style=3D"color: #000000; font: 12px Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: transparent;">&nbsp;</div>
<div>Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he initially k=
new about the chassis and possible motor/ carb questions. He really doesn't=
 have a good understanding of Healeys. And I even can understand to a point=
 that he might be trying to even convince himself that it might be more tha=
n it actually is. But how he has represented it after receiving a good asse=
ssment,&nbsp; just sits a bit wrong with me.&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion" took place. =
But the idea that the front cross bracing was bent to look like a M cam was=
 installed, and the two under the dash BN1 OD relay holes (4) being so care=
fully concealed, tells me someone was trying to make it look legit.&nbsp;</=
div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price how much of=
 it really matters. It is a sharp looking car.&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The Millers<br />&nbsp;<br />"Always drive them, but remember each dri=
ve in an antique car is a test drive."</div>
<hr style=3D"display: inline-block; width: 98%;" tabindex=3D"-1" />
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-famil=
y: Calibri,sans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong> HealeyRick &lt;healeyrik@gma=
il.com&gt;<br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 A=
M<br /><strong>To:</strong> S and T Miller &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<b=
r /><strong>Cc:</strong> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;;=
 [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br /><strong>Subject=
:</strong> Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</span>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepre=
sented what to whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame =
and possible replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or wa=
s it the original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There's probabl=
y some grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, I can't help=
 thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those "The Healey Lawyer" c=
olumns in the <em>Marque?</em>
<div><em>&nbsp;</em></div>
<div><em>Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"</em></div>
</div>
<br />
<div class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"x_x_gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:41=E2=
=80=AFAM S and T Miller &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">stmil=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; b=
order-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: transparent;">Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is tryi=
ng to cast some doubt on it being a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a c=
ombination of both BN1 and BN2 is plain false. Since I was the one who show=
ed him in person why it was a BN1 chassis he wanted to use my name saying w=
e "believe" its a BN1 chassis,&nbsp; and I replied that "believe" doesn't c=
ategorize my opinion. That everything points to being a BN1 chassis and not=
hing to a BN2.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: transparent;">Intesting note on the added restoration photos=
, #311 clearly shows the cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo=
. Odd it is on a painted frame, but the BN2 one must have been welded in la=
ter. I'd thought maybe it was of a different frame, but the front frame ext=
ensions are missing in the pictured one as we'll, so probably not.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; color: inherit; background-color: trans=
parent;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; color: inherit; background-color: trans=
parent;">I realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that someone m=
isrepresented to him,&nbsp; but I kinda feel not so great about his represe=
ntation of the car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; color: inherit; background-color: trans=
parent;"><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Hel=
vetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Messa=
ge: 2</span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,=
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Da=
te: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:45:57 -0800</span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
4.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color:=
 #ffffff; display: inline;">From: Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidel=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br /><span style=3D"font=
-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; backgroun=
d-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net">[email-masked]</a></span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.=
6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #=
ffffff; display: inline;">Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</span><br=
 /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Message-ID: &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">229b7fa6=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br /><span style=3D=
"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; back=
ground-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=
=3D"utf-8"; Format=3D"flowed"</span><br /><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
4.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color:=
 #ffffff; display: inline;">The expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated =
in the text, but buried</span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; fo=
nt-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; di=
splay: inline;">in the video according to a commenter (I didn't watch it). =
It appears to</span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family:=
 Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inl=
ine;">me the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical fence, apparently<=
/span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">with BaT=
's blessing</span></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The Millers<br />&nbsp;<br />"Always drive them, but remember each dri=
ve in an antique car is a test drive."</div>
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