Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mating the overdrive to the transmission

From: Hank Leach via Healeys <[email-masked]>
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Agree with Michael- dummy or old mainshaft is essential to line up=0Ainn=
ards then if cam is correctly placed-facing rear, and plunger is=0Atied=
 back, units go together easily by a slight wiggle of 1st motion=0A(in g=
ear) and tailshaft first insuring that the 8 springs are all on=0Atheir=
 pegs-easy huh? Its about procedure. Article Im composing on=0Aoverdrive=
 will be in upcoming AH Mag. Hank=0A=0A=09------------------------------=
-----------From: "Michael Salter" =0ATo: "Bob Spidell"=0ACc: "healeys@au=
tox.team.net"=0ASent: Tuesday June 20 2023 5:01:51AM=0ASubject: Re: [Hea=
leys] Mating the overdrive to the transmission=0A=0A Although one may be=
 difficult to find there is no substitute for a=0Aspare gearbox 3rd moti=
on shaft for this job. The spare shaft is used=0Ato align all the intern=
als then, using my special tool to hold the=0Apump plunger retracted =
 =0A[1]https://precisionsportscar.com/laycock-de-normanville-overdrive-i=
nstallation-tool/=0A[2]  it is a simple task to lower the overdrive onto=
 the gearbox.  =0A M  =0A On Mon., Jun. 19, 2023, 11:41 p.m. Bob Spidell=
,  wrote:=0A  There is a bronze thrust washer that has to be perfectly c=
entered to=0Aget that last 3/4" (#148 in this diagram):=0A=0A [3]https:/=
/mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn2-thru-bj8 [4]=0A=0A You can wi=
ggle it around with a long screwdriver, or use a suitable=0A'drift' to c=
enter it. Your best bet is to sit the O/D on end and lower=0Athe gearbox=
 onto it; gently rotating the gearbox while lowering. First=0Atime I did=
 this I must have got lucky, but danged if I can explain=0Athis (see att=
ached photo). Most recently I fought for a couple days=0Athen threw in t=
he towel and took gearbox and O/D to BCS which,=0Afortunately, is only a=
 half-hour away. David and his mechanics had a=0Anovel technique I've no=
t heard described anywhere; basically, he=0Aremoved the pump completely-=
-it's only two screws IIRC--and split the=0AO/D into front and rear sect=
ions and tipped the gearbox and O/D=0Aup--gearbox on bottom--then had tw=
o of his mechanics pull the sections=0Atogether with huge channellock pl=
iers while David rotated the output=0Ashaft to 'feel it in' (you had to=
 be there).=0A=0A Good luck. Make triply sure you have the pump cam orie=
nted correctly,=0Aor you'll get more experience with this process than y=
ou probably=0Awant.=0A=0A bs=0A=0AOn 6/19/2023 6:18 PM, warthodson--- vi=
a Healeys wrote:=0A   I spent the day assisting a friend trying to mate=
 his OD to his=0Atransmission. The car is a '63 BJ7. The overdrive & Tra=
ns. were pulled=0Ato replace a few internal trans parts which was done &=
 we did not run=0Ainto any issues. We can get the OD to within approx. 1=
/2-3/4" of=0Amating to the trans, but cannot close that gap. We have con=
firmed that=0Athe oil pump roller has been fully retracted. What are we=
 bumping up=0Aagainst & how do we get past it? Gary Hodson  =0A=0A _____=
__________________________________________=0A Support Team.Net  [5]http:=
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<html><body>Agree with Michael- dummy or old mainshaft is essential to l=
ine up innards then if cam is correctly placed-facing rear, and plunger=
 is tied back, units go together easily by a slight wiggle of 1st motion=
 (in gear) and tailshaft first insuring that the 8 springs are all on th=
eir pegs-easy huh?&nbsp; Its about procedure. Article Im composing on ov=
erdrive will be in upcoming AH Mag. Hank<br><br><div class=3D"reply-new-=
signature"></div><p>-----------------------------------------</p>From: "=
Michael Salter" <[email-masked]><br>To: "Bob Spidell"<br>Cc: "h=
[email-masked]"<br>Sent: Tuesday June 20 2023 5:01:51AM<br>Subjec=
t: Re: [Healeys] Mating the overdrive to the transmission<br><br>=0A<div=
>Although one may be difficult to find there is no=0Asubstitute for a sp=
are gearbox 3rd motion shaft for this job.=0A<div>The spare shaft is use=
d to align all the internals=0Athen, using my special tool to hold the p=
ump plunger=0Aretracted</div>=0A<div><a href=3D"https://precisionsportsc=
ar.com/laycock-de-normanville-overdrive-installation-tool/">=0A</a><a hr=
ef=3D"https://precisionsportscar.com/laycock-de-normanville-overdrive-in=
stallation-tool/">https://precisionsportscar.com/laycock-de-normanville-=
overdrive-installation-tool/</a></div>=0A<div>&nbsp;it is a simple task=
 to lower the overdrive=0Aonto the gearbox.&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><br></div=
>=0A<div>M</div>=0A</div>=0A<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=0A<div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon., Jun. 19, 2023, 11:41=0Ap.m. Bob S=
pidell, &lt;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt;=0Awrote:<br></div>=0A<blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex;">=0A<div>There is a bronze thrust washer that=
 has to be perfectly=0Acentered to get that last 3/4" (#148 in this diag=
ram):<br><br><a href=3D"https://mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn=
2-thru-bj8"></a><a href=3D"https://mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit=
-bn2-thru-bj8">https://mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn2-thru-bj=
8</a><br><br>=0AYou can wiggle it around with a long screwdriver, or use=
 a suitable=0A'drift' to center it. Your best bet is to sit the O/D on e=
nd and=0Alower the gearbox onto it; gently rotating the gearbox while=0A=
lowering. First time I did this I must have got lucky, but danged=0Aif I=
 can explain this (see attached photo). Most recently I fought=0Afor a c=
ouple days then threw in the towel and took gearbox and O/D=0Ato BCS whi=
ch, fortunately, is only a half-hour away. David and his=0Amechanics had=
 a novel technique I've not heard described anywhere;=0Abasically, he re=
moved the pump completely--it's only two screws=0AIIRC--and split the O/=
D into front and rear sections and tipped the=0Agearbox and O/D up--gear=
box on bottom--then had two of his=0Amechanics pull the sections togethe=
r with huge channellock pliers=0Awhile David rotated the output shaft to=
 'feel it in' (you had to be=0Athere).<br><br>=0AGood luck. Make triply=
 sure you have the pump cam oriented=0Acorrectly, or you'll get more exp=
erience with this process than you=0Aprobably want.<br><br>=0Abs<br><br>=
<div>On 6/19/2023 6:18 PM, warthodson--- via Healeys=0Awrote:<br></div>=
=0A<blockquote>=0A<div style=3D"font-family:'Comic Sans MS', sans-serif;=
font-size:16px;">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">I spent the day assisting a friend=
 trying to mate=0Ahis OD to his transmission. The car is a '63 BJ7. The=
 overdrive &amp;=0ATrans. were pulled to replace a few internal trans pa=
rts which was=0Adone &amp; we did not run into any issues. We can get th=
e OD to within=0Aapprox. 1/2-3/4" of mating to the trans, but cannot clo=
se that gap.=0AWe have confirmed that the oil pump roller has been fully=
=0Aretracted. What are we bumping up against &amp; how do we get past=0A=
it?</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">Gary Hodson</div>=0A</div>=0A<br></blockquo=
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From: Hank Leach via Healeys <[email-masked]>
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Be sure that the 8 (4 of each size) springs are correctly placed or=0Ath=
ey will be coil bound and resist assembly. See photo. Hank=0A=0A=09-----=
------------------------------------From: "warthodson--- via=0AHealeys"=
 =0ATo: "Bob Spidell", "Michael Salter"=0ACc: "[email-masked]"=
=0ASent: Tuesday June 20 2023 9:15:12AM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] Mating=
 the overdrive to the transmission=0A=0A  Michael, We do have a spare tr=
ans output shaft & we have watched=0Ayour video & made a wire tool to re=
tract the pump plunger. We have=0Averified that the plunger is fully ret=
racted & the splines are=0Aaligned. The spare shaft goes in about 1/2" (=
all the way in) further=0Athan the one that came out of the car.  Gary=
 =0A    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 07:12:20 AM CDT, Michael Salter =0A=
wrote: =0A=0A    Although one may be difficult to find there is no subst=
itute for a=0Aspare gearbox 3rd motion shaft for this job. The spare sha=
ft is used=0Ato align all the internals then, using my special tool to h=
old the=0Apump plunger retracted =0A[1]https://precisionsportscar.com/la=
ycock-de-normanville-overdrive-installation-tool/=0A[2]  it is a simple=
 task to lower the overdrive onto the gearbox.  =0A M  =0A  On Mon., Jun=
. 19, 2023, 11:41 p.m. Bob Spidell,  wrote:=0A  There is a bronze thrust=
 washer that has to be perfectly centered to=0Aget that last 3/4" (#148=
 in this diagram):=0A=0A [3]https://mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-uni=
t-bn2-thru-bj8 [4]=0A=0A You can wiggle it around with a long screwdrive=
r, or use a suitable=0A'drift' to center it. Your best bet is to sit the=
 O/D on end and lower=0Athe gearbox onto it; gently rotating the gearbox=
 while lowering. First=0Atime I did this I must have got lucky, but dang=
ed if I can explain=0Athis (see attached photo). Most recently I fought=
 for a couple days=0Athen threw in the towel and took gearbox and O/D to=
 BCS which,=0Afortunately, is only a half-hour away. David and his mecha=
nics had a=0Anovel technique I've not heard described anywhere; basicall=
y, he=0Aremoved the pump completely--it's only two screws IIRC--and spli=
t the=0AO/D into front and rear sections and tipped the gearbox and O/D=
=0Aup--gearbox on bottom--then had two of his mechanics pull the section=
s=0Atogether with huge channellock pliers while David rotated the output=
=0Ashaft to 'feel it in' (you had to be there).=0A=0A Good luck. Make tr=
iply sure you have the pump cam oriented correctly,=0Aor you'll get more=
 experience with this process than you probably=0Awant.=0A=0A bs=0A=0AOn=
 6/19/2023 6:18 PM, warthodson--- via Healeys wrote:=0A   I spent the da=
y assisting a friend trying to mate his OD to his=0Atransmission. The ca=
r is a '63 BJ7. The overdrive & Trans. were pulled=0Ato replace a few in=
ternal trans parts which was done & we did not run=0Ainto any issues. We=
 can get the OD to within approx. 1/2-3/4" of=0Amating to the trans, but=
 cannot close that gap. We have confirmed that=0Athe oil pump roller has=
 been fully retracted. What are we bumping up=0Aagainst & how do we get=
 past it? Gary Hodson  =0A=0A __________________________________________=
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<html><body>Be sure that the 8 (4 of each size) springs are correctly pl=
aced or they will be coil bound and resist assembly. See photo. Hank<br>=
<br><div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>------------------------=
-----------------</p>From: "warthodson--- via Healeys" <[email-masked]=
am.net><br>To: "Bob Spidell", "Michael Salter"<br>Cc: "[email-masked]=
m.net"<br>Sent: Tuesday June 20 2023 9:15:12AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys]=
 Mating the overdrive to the transmission<br><br>=0A<div class=3D"ydp497=
b91c3yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:'Comic Sans MS', sans-serif;=
font-size:16px;">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">Michael,</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">W=
e do have a spare trans output=0Ashaft &amp; we have watched your video=
 &amp; made a wire tool to retract=0Athe pump plunger. We have verified=
 that the plunger is fully=0Aretracted &amp; the splines are aligned. Th=
e spare shaft goes in about=0A1/2" (all the way in) further than the one=
 that came out of the=0Acar.&nbsp;</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">Gary</div>=
=0A<div><br></div>=0A</div>=0A<div class=3D"ydpd0cdbba8yahoo_quoted">=0A=
<div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif=
;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">=0A<div>On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 07:=
12:20 AM CDT, Michael Salter=0A&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</d=
iv>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<div>A=
lthough one may be difficult to find there is no substitute=0Afor a spar=
e gearbox 3rd motion shaft for this job.=0A<div>The spare shaft is used=
 to align all the internals then, using=0Amy special tool to hold the pu=
mp plunger retracted</div>=0A<div><a href=3D"https://precisionsportscar.=
com/laycock-de-normanville-overdrive-installation-tool/"></a><a href=3D"=
https://precisionsportscar.com/laycock-de-normanville-overdrive-installa=
tion-tool/">https://precisionsportscar.com/laycock-de-normanville-overdr=
ive-installation-tool/</a></div>=0A<div>&nbsp;it is a simple task to low=
er the overdrive onto the=0Agearbox.&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><br clear=3D"non=
e"></div>=0A<div>M</div>=0A</div>=0A<br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydp=
d0cdbba8yiv8503291482gmail_quote">=0A<div class=3D"ydpd0cdbba8yiv8503291=
482yqt3152633389">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpd0cdbba8yiv8503291482g=
mail_attr">On Mon.,=0AJun. 19, 2023, 11:41 p.m. Bob Spidell, &lt;<a>bspi=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div>=0A<blockquote s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"=
 class=3D"ydpd0cdbba8yiv8503291482gmail_quote">=0A<div>There is a bronze=
 thrust washer that has to be perfectly=0Acentered to get that last 3/4"=
 (#148 in this diagram):<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><a href=3D=
"https://mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn2-thru-bj8"></a><a href=
=3D"https://mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn2-thru-bj8">https://=
mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn2-thru-bj8</a><br clear=3D"none"=
><br clear=3D"none">=0AYou can wiggle it around with a long screwdriver,=
 or use a suitable=0A'drift' to center it. Your best bet is to sit the O=
/D on end and=0Alower the gearbox onto it; gently rotating the gearbox w=
hile=0Alowering. First time I did this I must have got lucky, but danged=
=0Aif I can explain this (see attached photo). Most recently I fought=0A=
for a couple days then threw in the towel and took gearbox and O/D=0Ato=
 BCS which, fortunately, is only a half-hour away. David and his=0Amecha=
nics had a novel technique I've not heard described anywhere;=0Abasicall=
y, he removed the pump completely--it's only two screws=0AIIRC--and spli=
t the O/D into front and rear sections and tipped the=0Agearbox and O/D=
 up--gearbox on bottom--then had two of his=0Amechanics pull the section=
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ransmission. The car is a '63 BJ7. The overdrive &amp;=0ATrans. were pul=
led to replace a few internal trans parts which was=0Adone &amp; we did=
 not run into any issues. We can get the OD to within=0Aapprox. 1/2-3/4"=
 of mating to the trans, but cannot close that gap.=0AWe have confirmed=
 that the oil pump roller has been fully=0Aretracted. What are we bumpin=
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 19:13:20 +0000 Elb0OrGCg1n7L54IxQb/eStHeBkBYXky50glIleYna8EahloTsEWwRnXqrppbU2NQ7m7dDioEaEdchBeGzrWJUbTkEV3Urq9o+M=

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You don't have to disassemble the OD to put in the 8 springs and=0Acam-t=
hey are the last items to add prior to mating the units..=0AHowever, if=
 you pulled out the mainshaft from it, and then moved it=0Aaround it's a=
 good chance that the thrust washers in the clutch area=0Aare out of ali=
gnment and that geartrain must be realigned before the=0Aunit will go ti=
ght. Don't force anything-best take it apart and check=0Afor issues then=
 reassemble.=0A=0A=09-----------------------------------------From: "war=
[email-masked]" =0ATo: "Hank Leach"=0ACc: =0ASent: Tuesday June 20 2023=
 10:54:02AM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] Mating the overdrive to the transmi=
ssion=0A=0A  Hank, We never disassembled the OD.  Gary =0A    On Tuesday=
, June 20, 2023 at 11:46:16 AM CDT, Hank Leach  wrote: =0A=0A   Be sure=
 that the 8 (4 of each size) springs are correctly placed or=0Athey will=
 be coil bound and resist assembly. See photo. Hank=0A=0A=09------------=
----------------------------- From: "warthodson--- via=0AHealeys"=0A To:=
 "Bob Spidell", "Michael Salter"=0A Cc: "[email-masked]"=0A Sent=
: Tuesday June 20 2023 9:15:12AM=0A Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mating the ov=
erdrive to the transmission=0A=0A Michael, We do have a spare trans outp=
ut shaft & we have watched your=0Avideo & made a wire tool to retract th=
e pump plunger. We have verified=0Athat the plunger is fully retracted &=
 the splines are aligned. The=0Aspare shaft goes in about 1/2" (all the=
 way in) further than the one=0Athat came out of the car.  Gary =0A    =
 On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 07:12:20 AM CDT, Michael Salter =0Awrote:=
 =0A=0A    Although one may be difficult to find there is no substitute=
 for a=0Aspare gearbox 3rd motion shaft for this job. The spare shaft is=
 used=0Ato align all the internals then, using my special tool to hold t=
he=0Apump plunger retracted  [1]=0A[2]https://precisionsportscar.com/lay=
cock-de-normanville-overdrive-installation-tool/=0A[3]  it is a simple t=
ask to lower the overdrive onto the gearbox.  =0A M  =0A  On Mon., Jun.=
 19, 2023, 11:41 p.m. Bob Spidell,  wrote:=0A  There is a bronze thrust=
 washer that has to be perfectly centered to=0Aget that last 3/4" (#148=
 in this diagram):=0A=0A [4] [5]https://mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive=
-unit-bn2-thru-bj8 [6]=0A=0A You can wiggle it around with a long screwd=
river, or use a suitable=0A'drift' to center it. Your best bet is to sit=
 the O/D on end and lower=0Athe gearbox onto it; gently rotating the gea=
rbox while lowering. First=0Atime I did this I must have got lucky, but=
 danged if I can explain=0Athis (see attached photo). Most recently I fo=
ught for a couple days=0Athen threw in the towel and took gearbox and O/=
D to BCS which,=0Afortunately, is only a half-hour away. David and his m=
echanics had a=0Anovel technique I've not heard described anywhere; basi=
cally, he=0Aremoved the pump completely--it's only two screws IIRC--and=
 split the=0AO/D into front and rear sections and tipped the gearbox and=
 O/D=0Aup--gearbox on bottom--then had two of his mechanics pull the sec=
tions=0Atogether with huge channellock pliers while David rotated the ou=
tput=0Ashaft to 'feel it in' (you had to be there).=0A=0A Good luck. Mak=
e triply sure you have the pump cam oriented correctly,=0Aor you'll get=
 more experience with this process than you probably=0Awant.=0A=0A bs=0A=
=0AOn 6/19/2023 6:18 PM, warthodson--- via Healeys wrote:=0A   I spent t=
he day assisting a friend trying to mate his OD to his=0Atransmission. T=
he car is a '63 BJ7. The overdrive & Trans. were pulled=0Ato replace a f=
ew internal trans parts which was done & we did not run=0Ainto any issue=
s. We can get the OD to within approx. 1/2-3/4" of=0Amating to the trans=
, but cannot close that gap. We have confirmed that=0Athe oil pump rolle=
r has been fully retracted. What are we bumping up=0Aagainst & how do we=
 get past it? Gary Hodson  =0A=0A ______________________________________=
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<html><body>You don't have to disassemble the OD to put in the 8 springs=
 and cam-they are the last items to add prior to mating the units.. Howe=
ver, if you pulled out the mainshaft from it, and then moved it around i=
t's a good chance that the thrust washers in the clutch area are out of=
 alignment and that geartrain must be realigned before the unit will go=
 tight. Don't force anything-best take it apart and check for issues the=
n reassemble.<br><br><div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>-------=
----------------------------------</p>From: "[email-masked]" <wartho=
[email-masked]><br>To: "Hank Leach"<br>Cc: <br>Sent: Tuesday June 20 2023=
 10:54:02AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mating the overdrive to the transm=
ission<br><br>=0A<div class=3D"ydpd1b71354yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"fon=
t-family:'Comic Sans MS', sans-serif;font-size:16px;">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr=
">Hank,</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">We never disassembled the=0AOD.&nbsp;</=
div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">Gary</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A</div>=0A<div cla=
ss=3D"ydp872ff071yahoo_quoted">=0A<div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica N=
eue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">=0A<di=
v>On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 11:46:16 AM CDT, Hank Leach=0A&lt;gradea1=
@charter.net&gt; wrote:</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div=
>=0A<div>=0A<div>Be sure that the 8 (4 of each size) springs are correct=
ly=0Aplaced or they will be coil bound and resist assembly. See photo.=
=0AHank<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydp872ff071yi=
v4297400142reply-new-signature"></div>=0A<p>----------------------------=
-------------</p>=0AFrom: "warthodson--- via Healeys"<br clear=3D"none">=
=0ATo: "Bob Spidell", "Michael Salter"<br clear=3D"none">=0ACc: "healeys=
@autox.team.net"<br clear=3D"none">=0ASent: Tuesday June 20 2023 9:15:12=
AM<br clear=3D"none">=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] Mating the overdrive to t=
he=0Atransmission<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:'Comic Sans MS', sans-serif;font-size:16px;" class=3D"ydp872ff0=
71yiv4297400142ydp497b91c3yahoo-style-wrap">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">Michael,=
</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">We do have a spare trans output shaft &amp; we=
 have=0Awatched your video &amp; made a wire tool to retract the pump pl=
unger.=0AWe have verified that the plunger is fully retracted &amp; the=
 splines=0Aare aligned. The spare shaft goes in about 1/2" (all the way=
 in)=0Afurther than the one that came out of the car.&nbsp;</div>=0A<div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Gary</div>=0A<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>=0A</div>=0A<div=
 class=3D"ydp872ff071yiv4297400142ydpd0cdbba8yahoo_quoted">=0A<div style=
=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size=
:13px;color:#26282a;">=0A<div class=3D"ydp872ff071yiv4297400142yqt311178=
5145">=0A<div>On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 07:12:20 AM CDT, Michael Salt=
er=0A&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div>=0A<div><br clear=3D"no=
ne"></div>=0A<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<d=
iv>Although one may be difficult to find there is no substitute=0Afor a=
 spare gearbox 3rd motion shaft for this job.=0A<div>The spare shaft is=
 used to align all the internals then, using=0Amy special tool to hold t=
he pump plunger retracted</div>=0A<div><a href=3D"https://precisionsport=
scar.com/laycock-de-normanville-overdrive-installation-tool/"></a><a hre=
f=3D"https://precisionsportscar.com/laycock-de-normanville-overdrive-ins=
tallation-tool/"></a><a href=3D"https://precisionsportscar.com/laycock-d=
e-normanville-overdrive-installation-tool/">https://precisionsportscar.c=
om/laycock-de-normanville-overdrive-installation-tool/</a></div>=0A<div>=
&nbsp;it is a simple task to lower the overdrive onto the=0Agearbox.&nbs=
p;</div>=0A<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>=0A<div>M</div>=0A</div>=0A<br=
 clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydp872ff071yiv4297400142ydpd0cdbba8yiv8503=
291482gmail_quote">=0A<div class=3D"ydp872ff071yiv4297400142ydpd0cdbba8y=
iv8503291482yqt3152633389">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydp872ff071yiv42=
97400142ydpd0cdbba8yiv8503291482gmail_attr">On=0AMon., Jun. 19, 2023, 11=
:41 p.m. Bob Spidell, &lt;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydp872ff071yiv4297400142ydpd0c=
dbba8yiv8503291482gmail_quote">=0A<div>There is a bronze thrust washer t=
hat has to be perfectly=0Acentered to get that last 3/4" (#148 in this d=
iagram):<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><a href=3D"https://mossmot=
ors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn2-thru-bj8"></a><a href=3D"https://moss=
motors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn2-thru-bj8"></a><a href=3D"https://m=
ossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn2-thru-bj8">https://mossmotors.co=
m/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn2-thru-bj8</a><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
"none">=0AYou can wiggle it around with a long screwdriver, or use a sui=
table=0A'drift' to center it. Your best bet is to sit the O/D on end and=
=0Alower the gearbox onto it; gently rotating the gearbox while=0Aloweri=
ng. First time I did this I must have got lucky, but danged=0Aif I can e=
xplain this (see attached photo). Most recently I fought=0Afor a couple=
 days then threw in the towel and took gearbox and O/D=0Ato BCS which, f=
ortunately, is only a half-hour away. David and his=0Amechanics had a no=
vel technique I've not heard described anywhere;=0Abasically, he removed=
 the pump completely--it's only two screws=0AIIRC--and split the O/D int=
o front and rear sections and tipped the=0Agearbox and O/D up--gearbox o=
n bottom--then had two of his=0Amechanics pull the sections together wit=
h huge channellock pliers=0Awhile David rotated the output shaft to 'fee=
l it in' (you had to be=0Athere).<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">=
=0AGood luck. Make triply sure you have the pump cam oriented=0Acorrectl=
y, or you'll get more experience with this process than you=0Aprobably w=
ant.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">=0Abs<br clear=3D"none"><br cl=
ear=3D"none"><div>On 6/19/2023 6:18 PM, warthodson--- via Healeys=0Awrot=
e:<br clear=3D"none"></div>=0A<blockquote>=0A<div style=3D"font-family:'=
Comic Sans MS', sans-serif;font-size:16px;">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">I spent=
 the day assisting a friend trying to mate=0Ahis OD to his transmission.=
 The car is a '63 BJ7. The overdrive &amp;=0ATrans. were pulled to repla=
ce a few internal trans parts which was=0Adone &amp; we did not run into=
 any issues. We can get the OD to within=0Aapprox. 1/2-3/4" of mating to=
 the trans, but cannot close that gap.=0AWe have confirmed that the oil=
 pump roller has been fully=0Aretracted. What are we bumping up against=
 &amp; how do we get past=0Ait?</div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">Gary Hodson</di=
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From: Hank Leach via Healeys <[email-masked]>
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I fashioned this one, for lack of the factory tool. It is the best way=
=0Ato remove the pump without damage. Its an interference fit. Yes, you=
=0Amust first remove the non-return valve, spring ball and plunger or=0A=
else damage to the pump shaft will take place. When replacing the pump=
=0Ause two long fine thread screws to guide to the correct position=0AWh=
en assembling the two units I leave the drain plug and screen filter=0Ao=
ut so that the wire holding back the pump plunger can easily be=0Aextrac=
ted after the units are mated. Seal the threads of the drain as=0Awith j=
ust a gasket it will still leak. Hank=0A=0A=09--------------------------=
---------------From: "Michael Salter via=0AHealeys" =0ATo: "Bob Spidell"=
=0ACc: "[email-masked]"=0ASent: Tuesday June 20 2023 12:56:10PM=
=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] Mating the overdrive to the transmission=0A=0A=
 Point of interest ... there's actually a special tool for removing=0Ath=
e pump. I think I've only ever used it once!! =0A=0A On Tue., Jun. 20, 2=
023, 11:48 a.m. Bob Spidell,  wrote:=0A  re: "Now the oil pump. This is=
 not simply held in place by the 2=0Ascrews. It is an interference fit a=
nd needs to be pulled out with a=0A7/16 - 20 bolt - actually a couple of=
 varying lengths makes it easier.=0AAlso a selection of large washers an=
d spacers are required. To ensure=0Athat it does not twist on you you ne=
ed some longer about 1/12 in 8-32=0Ascrews that replace the shorter ones=
 mentioned. Also the NR valve MUST=0Abe removed and this in turn implies=
 that the hydraulic cover and large=0Aaccumulator spring is out. Further=
more the pump has to be fitted in=0Athe correct orientation. I try to ma=
ke a mark but easy to get it wrong=0Aif lying on your back. Damage can b=
e done inserting it the wrong way=0Aaround."=0A=0A Roger,=0A=0A Thanks f=
or the correction. I watched the process from a distance so=0Amissed man=
y of the details (plus, it was 6-7 years ago).=0A=0A Bob=0A=0AOn 6/20/20=
23 8:42 AM, Roger Grace wrote:=0A   A few minor corrections ... Yes MS i=
s correct there is simply no=0Asubstitute for having a spare shaft - I t=
ry to say goodnight to mine=0Aevery evening ! I have made his special to=
ol and can confirm it does=0Awork. However it does imply that the OD is=
 open between the adaptor=0Aflange and the OD. I also use the wire/twine=
 technique.=0A=0A Now the oil pump. This is not simply held in place by=
 the 2 screws.=0AIt is an interference fit and needs to be pulled out wi=
th a 7/16 - 20=0Abolt - actually a couple of varying lengths makes it ea=
sier. Also a=0Aselection of large washers and spacers are required. To e=
nsure that it=0Adoes not twist on you you need some longer about 1/12 in=
 8-32 screws=0Athat replace the shorter ones mentioned. Also the NR valv=
e MUST be=0Aremoved and this in turn implies that the hydraulic cover an=
d large=0Aaccumulator spring is out. Furthermore the pump has to be fitt=
ed in=0Athe correct orientation. I try to make a mark but easy to get it=
 wrong=0Aif lying on your back. Damage can be done inserting it the wron=
g way=0Aaround. =0A Nowadays I find it easier to assemble the complete O=
D with the=0Aadapter plate already fitted to the OD. You then don't have=
 to fight=0Awith the release springs as well as gasket goo and the oil p=
ump spring=0Aretention all together. Then use the dummy to do the bl ali=
gnment=0Aafter some careful threading to pull back the pump spring. I ha=
ve used=0Athis a few times lowering onto the GB and also even on its sid=
e.=0APatience !=0A rg=0A=0A On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 5:03=E2=80=AFAM Mich=
ael Salter  wrote:=0A  Although one may be difficult to find there is no=
 substitute for a=0Aspare gearbox 3rd motion shaft for this job. The spa=
re shaft is used=0Ato align all the internals then, using my special too=
l to hold the=0Apump plunger retracted =0A[1]https://precisionsportscar.=
com/laycock-de-normanville-overdrive-installation-tool/=0A[2]  it is a s=
imple task to lower the overdrive onto the gearbox.  =0A M  =0A On Mon.,=
 Jun. 19, 2023, 11:41 p.m. Bob Spidell,  wrote:=0A  There is a bronze th=
rust washer that has to be perfectly centered to=0Aget that last 3/4" (#=
148 in this diagram):=0A=0A [3]https://mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-=
unit-bn2-thru-bj8 [4]=0A=0A You can wiggle it around with a long screwdr=
iver, or use a suitable=0A'drift' to center it. Your best bet is to sit=
 the O/D on end and lower=0Athe gearbox onto it; gently rotating the gea=
rbox while lowering. First=0Atime I did this I must have got lucky, but=
 danged if I can explain=0Athis (see attached photo). Most recently I fo=
ught for a couple days=0Athen threw in the towel and took gearbox and O/=
D to BCS which,=0Afortunately, is only a half-hour away. David and his m=
echanics had a=0Anovel technique I've not heard described anywhere; basi=
cally, he=0Aremoved the pump completely--it's only two screws IIRC--and=
 split the=0AO/D into front and rear sections and tipped the gearbox and=
 O/D=0Aup--gearbox on bottom--then had two of his mechanics pull the sec=
tions=0Atogether with huge channellock pliers while David rotated the ou=
tput=0Ashaft to 'feel it in' (you had to be there).=0A=0A Good luck. Mak=
e triply sure you have the pump cam oriented correctly,=0Aor you'll get=
 more experience with this process than you probably=0Awant.=0A=0A bs=0A=
=0AOn 6/19/2023 6:18 PM, warthodson--- via Healeys wrote:=0A   I spent t=
he day assisting a friend trying to mate his OD to his=0Atransmission. T=
he car is a '63 BJ7. The overdrive & Trans. were pulled=0Ato replace a f=
ew internal trans parts which was done & we did not run=0Ainto any issue=
s. We can get the OD to within approx. 1/2-3/4" of=0Amating to the trans=
, but cannot close that gap. We have confirmed that=0Athe oil pump rolle=
r has been fully retracted. What are we bumping up=0Aagainst & how do we=
 get past it? Gary Hodson  =0A=0A ______________________________________=
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<html><body>I fashioned this one, for lack of the factory tool.&nbsp; It=
 is the best way to remove the pump without damage. Its an interference=
 fit. Yes, you must first remove the non-return valve, spring ball and p=
lunger or else damage to the pump shaft will take place. When replacing=
 the pump use two long fine thread screws to guide to the correct positi=
on<div><br></div><div>When assembling the two units I leave the drain pl=
ug and screen filter out so that the wire holding back the pump plunger=
 can easily be extracted after the units are mated. Seal the threads of=
 the drain as with just a gasket it will still leak. Hank<br><br><div cl=
ass=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>-----------------------------------=
------</p>From: "Michael Salter via Healeys" <[email-masked]><br=
>To: "Bob Spidell"<br>Cc: "[email-masked]"<br>Sent: Tuesday June=
 20 2023 12:56:10PM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mating the overdrive to th=
e transmission<br><br>=0A<div>Point of interest&nbsp; ... there's actual=
ly a=0Aspecial tool for removing the pump.=0A<div>I think I've only ever=
 used it once!!</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A</div>=0A<br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Tue., Jun. 20, 2023, 11:48=0Aa.m. Bob Spidell, &lt;<a>bspidell@comcast.=
net</a>&gt;=0Awrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">=0A<=
div>re: "Now the oil pump. This is not simply held in place by the=0A2 s=
crews. It is an interference fit and needs to be pulled out with=0Aa 7/1=
6 - 20 bolt - actually a couple of varying lengths makes it=0Aeasier. Al=
so a selection of large washers and spacers are required.=0ATo ensure th=
at it does not twist on you you need some longer about=0A1/12 in 8-32 sc=
rews that replace the shorter ones mentioned. Also=0Athe NR valve MUST b=
e removed and this in turn implies that the=0Ahydraulic cover and large=
 accumulator spring is out. Furthermore=0Athe pump has to be fitted in t=
he correct orientation. I try to make=0Aa mark but easy to get it wrong=
 if lying on your back. Damage can=0Abe done inserting it the wrong way=
 around."<br><br><br>=0ARoger,<br><br>=0AThanks for the correction. I wa=
tched the process from a distance so=0Amissed many of the details (plus,=
 it was 6-7 years ago).<br><br>=0ABob<br><br><br><div>On 6/20/2023 8:42=
 AM, Roger Grace wrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">=0A<=
div>A few minor corrections ...</div>=0A<div>Yes MS is correct there is=
 simply no substitute for having a=0Aspare shaft - I try to say goodnigh=
t to mine every evening !</div>=0A<div>I have made his special tool and=
 can confirm it does=0Awork.</div>=0A<div>However it does imply that the=
 OD is open between the adaptor=0Aflange and the OD.</div>=0A<div>I also=
 use the wire/twine technique.<br></div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>Now th=
e oil pump. This is not simply held in place by the 2=0Ascrews. It is an=
 interference fit and needs to be pulled out with a=0A7/16 - 20 bolt - a=
ctually a couple of varying lengths makes it=0Aeasier. Also a selection=
 of large washers and spacers are required.=0ATo ensure that it does not=
 twist on you you need some longer about=0A1/12 in 8-32 screws that repl=
ace the shorter ones mentioned. Also=0Athe NR valve MUST be removed and=
 this in turn implies that the=0Ahydraulic cover and large accumulator s=
pring is out. Furthermore=0Athe pump has to be fitted in the correct ori=
entation. I try to make=0Aa mark but easy to get it wrong if lying on yo=
ur back. Damage can=0Abe done inserting it the wrong way around.</div>=
=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>Nowadays I find it easier to assemble the comp=
lete OD with the=0Aadapter plate already fitted to the OD. You then don'=
t have to=0Afight with the release springs as well as gasket goo and the=
 oil=0Apump spring retention all together. Then use the dummy to do the=
 bl=0Aalignment after some careful threading to pull back the pump=0Aspr=
ing. I have used this a few times lowering onto the GB and also=0Aeven o=
n its side. Patience !<br></div>=0A<div>rg<br></div>=0A<div><br></div>=
=0A</div>=0A<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 5:03=E2=80=AFAM=0AMichael Salter &lt=
;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt;=0Awrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">=0A<div>Although one may be diffic=
ult to find there is no=0Asubstitute for a spare gearbox 3rd motion shaf=
t for this job.=0A<div>The spare shaft is used to align all the internal=
s=0Athen, using my special tool to hold the pump plunger=0Aretracted</di=
v>=0A<div><a href=3D"https://precisionsportscar.com/laycock-de-normanvil=
le-overdrive-installation-tool/"></a><a href=3D"https://precisionsportsc=
ar.com/laycock-de-normanville-overdrive-installation-tool/">https://prec=
isionsportscar.com/laycock-de-normanville-overdrive-installation-tool/</=
a></div>=0A<div>&nbsp;it is a simple task to lower the overdrive=0Aonto=
 the gearbox.&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>M</div>=0A</div>=0A<b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
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net</a>&gt;=0Awrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex;">=0A<div>There is a bronze thrust washer that has to be per=
fectly=0Acentered to get that last 3/4" (#148 in this diagram):<br><br><=
a href=3D"https://mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn2-thru-bj8"></=
a><a href=3D"https://mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn2-thru-bj8"=
>https://mossmotors.com/ahy-041-overdrive-unit-bn2-thru-bj8</a><br><br>=
=0AYou can wiggle it around with a long screwdriver, or use a suitable=
=0A'drift' to center it. Your best bet is to sit the O/D on end and=0Alo=
wer the gearbox onto it; gently rotating the gearbox while=0Alowering. F=
irst time I did this I must have got lucky, but danged=0Aif I can explai=
n this (see attached photo). Most recently I fought=0Afor a couple days=
 then threw in the towel and took gearbox and O/D=0Ato BCS which, fortun=
ately, is only a half-hour away. David and his=0Amechanics had a novel t=
echnique I've not heard described anywhere;=0Abasically, he removed the=
 pump completely--it's only two screws=0AIIRC--and split the O/D into fr=
ont and rear sections and tipped the=0Agearbox and O/D up--gearbox on bo=
ttom--then had two of his=0Amechanics pull the sections together with hu=
ge channellock pliers=0Awhile David rotated the output shaft to 'feel it=
 in' (you had to be=0Athere).<br><br>=0AGood luck. Make triply sure you=
 have the pump cam oriented=0Acorrectly, or you'll get more experience w=
ith this process than you=0Aprobably want.<br><br>=0Abs<br><br><div>On 6=
/19/2023 6:18 PM, warthodson--- via Healeys=0Awrote:<br></div>=0A<blockq=
uote>=0A<div style=3D"font-family:'Comic Sans MS', sans-serif;font-size:=
16px;">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">I spent the day assisting a friend trying to=
 mate=0Ahis OD to his transmission. The car is a '63 BJ7. The overdrive=
 &amp;=0ATrans. were pulled to replace a few internal trans parts which=
 was=0Adone &amp; we did not run into any issues. We can get the OD to w=
ithin=0Aapprox. 1/2-3/4" of mating to the trans, but cannot close that g=
ap.=0AWe have confirmed that the oil pump roller has been fully=0Aretrac=
ted. What are we bumping up against &amp; how do we get past=0Ait?</div>=
=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">Gary Hodson</div>=0A</div>=0A<br></blockquote>=0A<br=
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