Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Digest, Vol 16, Issue 53

From: Allan Peters via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 19:01:41 +0000 (UTC)

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 Hi,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I too had problems bleeding bn=
1=C2=A0 Brake system.=C2=A0 It is most important that Handbrake is complete=
ly=C2=A0 isolated,
So would reccommend=C2=A0 disconnnecting=C2=A0 rear linkage at=C2=A0 drum !=
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=C2=A0 1. 100 brakes ([email-masked])
=C2=A0 2. Re: Leaky Banjo Fittings at Carbs (Hank Leach)
=C2=A0 3. Re: 100 brakes (Hank Leach)
=C2=A0 4. Re: 100 brakes (Michael Salter)
=C2=A0 5. Re: 100 brakes ([email-masked])
=C2=A0 6. Re: 100 brakes (Hank Leach)
=C2=A0 7. Re: 100 brakes ([email-masked])
=C2=A0 8. Re: 100 brakes ([email-masked])
We are having a very difficult time adjusting & bleeding the brakes on a fr=
iend's BN1.The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so thing=
s like brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylinde=
rs are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.We bleed the system so many times d=
ifferent way that I have lost track.=C2=A0We have adjusted the free play to=
 assure that the plunger is able to return to the full "off" position.When =
we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free movement at =
the pedal.We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at re=
st.Our issue is:Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be =
effective.=C2=A0Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel iss=
ue, which we think indicates air still in the system.We are not having any =
leaks & the reservoir port is functioning correctly, IE: no locking up of t=
he brakes.=C2=A0Gary=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0I dont think its the wrench, =
as both fit.=C2=A0 It is more about the type of fiber washer and the proper=
 placement of it. If you "wiggle" the fitting as you insert it by hand it w=
ill help to not strip out the casting (which is the scrafical item).=C2=A0 =
If it does not start in smoothly, STOP and redo it again by hand.=C2=A0 Car=
b bodies are expensive. Yes, WD-40 or even a bit of red grease will help th=
e mating of the two threaded parts. "Genuine" SU parts are the best to use =
if you can find them. Hank

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From: "Bob Spidell"=20
To: "[email-masked]"
Cc:=20
Sent: Monday March 13 2023 11:01:57AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Leaky Banjo Fittings at Carbs

Sure, but 13/16" fits well.

On 3/13/2023 9:37 AM, [email-masked] wrote:

Bob,
I think that SU fittings are Whitworth size wrench sizes...not13/16". And y=
ou can strip out the threads in the cast fuel bowllids.
Ben CohenBN1, BN7, BJ8

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 9:12 am
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Leaky Banjo Fittings at Carbs

Are the washers brown or black? Ibelieve the brown ones are the
original type and the black ones are being proffered by somesuppliers
and may be slightly undersized. I usually, if I think of it, soakthem
in WD-40 for an hour or so before installing, and re-torque themafter a
day or so because they do take a set. I torque them 'elbow-tight*'with
a 13/16" half-inch socket and wrench (fits the bolt head well). Itwould
be difficult, but not impossible to strip the threads on a banjofitting
as they're coarse (you'd likely strip the carb or pump threads, notthe
bolt).

* Torque settings : finger-tight, wrist-tight,elbow-tight,
shoulder-tight and all-you-got tight.

Bob

On 3/13/2023 8:39 AM, Harold Manifold wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am having a problem with leaky banjo fittings=C2=A0on my HD6carburetors=
.
> The leaks are at the banjo washers. The washers are new andall
> surfaces are clean and smooth.
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions on how to solve the leaks.Should
> the washers be soaked in anything first? Is there arecommended
> sealant? Is there a maximum torque=C2=A0for the banjobolts?
>
> Thanks.... Harold
>

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 It sure sounds like air. The 100 system is difficult to bleed due to the p=
lacement of the wheel cylinders and bleeders. I like to pull out the fluid =
rather than push out the stuff. Use something like a Mityvac to do this sta=
rting at the right rear.=C2=A0
The smallest bubbles will create a lot of pedal travel but if it pumps up t=
o a hard pedal then its for sure air in the system. Keep the cap on the can=
ister when bleeding and check under the canister for a wet finger.=C2=A0 Mo=
ss has good seals for that purpose.
The word "new" in brake systems scares me, as there are so many crappy repl=
acement parts made in foreign countries that look like good new items. I pr=
efer to rebuilt original or sleeve them if necessary to use the original it=
ems. The seal kits are another story. Can you find good Girling repair kits=
. Many of the foreign replacements are knockoffs of the original. Use TRW (=
they bought Lockheed) only-not unknown brands...even new Lucas is not old L=
ucas.
I pumped and pulled gallons of brake fluid thru a MKI bugeye system only to=
 find the seal stuck in the back of the master cylinder because the Moss pu=
rchased seals were too big! Use TRW. When I got the replacement seals from =
them, they had the same number stamp on the seal. They are using the same m=
olds to make the seals.
Did you use red grease on all the threaded fittings? Check all for a wet fi=
nger. Hope this info lessens your frustration. A word that goes hand in han=
d with brake bleeding. Hank

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From: "warthodson--- via Healeys"=20
To: "[email-masked]"
Cc:=20
Sent: Monday March 13 2023 12:07:18PM
Subject: [Healeys] 100 brakes

Weare having a very difficult time adjusting & bleeding the brakes ona frie=
nd's BN1.The car has recently under a full ground up restoration sothings l=
ike brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in thebrake cylinders a=
re new, the master cyl. is new, etc.We bleed the system so many times diffe=
rent way that I havelost track.=C2=A0We have adjusted the free play to assu=
re that the plunger isable to return to the full "off" position.When we adj=
ust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8"free movement at the ped=
al.We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag atrest.Our i=
ssue is:Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to beeffective=
.=C2=A0Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue,which =
we think indicates air still in the system.We are not having any leaks & th=
e reservoir port isfunctioning correctly, IE: no locking up of the brakes.=
=C2=A0Gary=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 This article may help.https://precisio=
nsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/

On Tue., Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, <healeys@autox=
.team.net> wrote:

We are having a very difficult time adjusting & bleeding the brakes on a fr=
iend's BN1.The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so thing=
s like brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylinde=
rs are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.We bleed the system so many times d=
ifferent way that I have lost track.=C2=A0We have adjusted the free play to=
 assure that the plunger is able to return to the full "off" position.When =
we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free movement at =
the pedal.We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at re=
st.Our issue is:Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be =
effective.=C2=A0Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel iss=
ue, which we think indicates air still in the system.We are not having any =
leaks & the reservoir port is functioning correctly, IE: no locking up of t=
he brakes.=C2=A0Gary=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0_____________________________=
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Michael assuming you have some resistance after pumping the pedal, jam the =
pedal down hard and leave it at least overnight, preferably longer. Do this=
 repeatedly & you will find the pedal comes up. Don=E2=80=99t ask me why, b=
ut I=E2=80=99ve done this several times with my own and other people=E2=80=
=99s cars, and it works!

Cheers

 =C2=A0

Peter

 =C2=A0

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Michael Salter =
via Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 5:43 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes

 =C2=A0

This article may help.

https://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/

 =C2=A0

On Tue., Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, <healeys@autox=
.team.net> wrote:

We are having a very difficult time adjusting & bleeding the brakes on a fr=
iend's BN1.=20

The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so things like brak=
e lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylinders are new,=
 the master cyl. is new, etc.

We bleed the system so many times different way that I have lost track.=C2=
=A0

We have adjusted the free play to assure that the plunger is able to return=
 to the full "off" position.

When we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free movemen=
t at the pedal.

We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at rest.

Our issue is:

Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be effective.=C2=A0

Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue, which we thi=
nk indicates air still in the system.

We are not having any leaks & the reservoir port is functioning correctly, =
IE: no locking up of the brakes.=C2=A0

Gary

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0

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Peter-yea, what I think happens there, providing there are no leaks anywher=
e else, is that under pressure, overnight, the system "pushes" the air bubb=
le to the only place that it can get out-the vent hole in the canister!
I have used this method also for "final bleeding"...could be a line item on=
 an invoice to look official and garner more dough, Ha.=C2=A0 Hank

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From: "greylinn--- via Healeys"=20
To: "Michael Salter"
Cc: [email-masked]
Sent: Monday March 13 2023 4:02:50PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes

Michael assuming you have someresistance after pumping the pedal, jam the p=
edal down hard andleave it at least overnight, preferably longer. Do this r=
epeatedly& you will find the pedal comes up. Don=E2=80=99t ask me why, but =
I=E2=80=99ve donethis several times with my own and other people=E2=80=99s =
cars, and itworks!

Cheers

=C2=A0

Peter

=C2=A0

From:Healeys <[email-masked]>On Behalf Of Michael Salter vi=
a Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 5:43 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes

=C2=A0

This article may help.

https://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/

=C2=A0

On Tue., Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54 a.m.warthodson--- via Healeys, <healeys@autox.=
team.net>wrote:

We arehaving a very difficult time adjusting & bleeding the brakes on afrie=
nd's BN1.

The carhas recently under a full ground up restoration so things likebrake =
lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brakecylinders are new, th=
e master cyl. is new, etc.

We bleedthe system so many times different way that I have losttrack.=C2=A0

We haveadjusted the free play to assure that the plunger is able to returnt=
o the full "off" position.

When weadjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" freemovement =
at the pedal.

We haveadjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag atrest.

Ourissue is:

Excessivebrake pedal travel before the brakes begin to beeffective.=C2=A0

Pumpingthe brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue, which wethink=
 indicates air still in the system.

We arenot having any leaks & the reservoir port is functioning correctly,IE=
: no locking up of the brakes.=C2=A0

Gary

=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0

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 One more related question.=C2=A0 The attached illustrates exactly how our =
pedal assembly & master cylinder are installed. In order to get the specifi=
ed 1/8" free play at the pedal pad, the lever with the arrow pointing at it=
 is against the foot board. Is that normal/correct?=C2=A0Gary H

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked]
To: 'Michael Salter' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 5:29 pm
Subject: RE: [Healeys] 100 brakes

Michael assuming you have some resistance after pumping the pedal, jam the =
pedal down hard and leave it at least overnight, preferably longer. Do this=
 repeatedly & you will find the pedal comes up. Don=E2=80=99t ask me why, b=
ut I=E2=80=99ve done this several times with my own and other people=E2=80=
=99s cars, and it works!

Cheers =C2=A0Peter =C2=A0From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On =
Behalf Of Michael Salter via Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 5:43 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes =C2=A0This article may help.https://preci=
sionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/ =C2=A0On Tue.=
, Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:
We are having a very difficult time adjusting & bleeding the brakes on a fr=
iend's BN1. The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so thin=
gs like brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylind=
ers are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.We bleed the system so many times =
different way that I have lost track.=C2=A0We have adjusted the free play t=
o assure that the plunger is able to return to the full "off" position.When=
 we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free movement at=
 the pedal.We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at r=
est.Our issue is:Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be=
 effective.=C2=A0Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel is=
sue, which we think indicates air still in the system.We are not having any=
 leaks & the reservoir port is functioning correctly, IE: no locking up of =
the brakes.=C2=A0Gary=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0____________________________=
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The bubble will perhaps migrate to the highest point & if that is the reser=
voir then it might escape, but this only applies if the path is always up. =
Then bubble will never migrate on its own down. Also, the system is not pus=
hing on the bubble in any single direction. If the system is under pressure=
, the is uniform throughout the entire system. Essentially, the bubble, bei=
ng lighter than the fluid, trying to float. Bleeding the system is differen=
t, there is flow of the fluid to help move the bubble.Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Leach <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Cc: 'Michael Salter' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]' <warth=
[email-masked]>; [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes

Peter-yea, what I think happens there, providing there are no leaks anywher=
e else, is that under pressure, overnight, the system "pushes" the air bubb=
le to the only place that it can get out-the vent hole in the canister!
I have used this method also for "final bleeding"...could be a line item on=
 an invoice to look official and garner more dough, Ha.=C2=A0 Hank

-----------------------------------------From: "greylinn--- via Healeys"=20
To: "Michael Salter"
Cc: [email-masked]
Sent: Monday March 13 2023 4:02:50PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes

Michael assuming you have someresistance after pumping the pedal, jam the p=
edal down hard andleave it at least overnight, preferably longer. Do this r=
epeatedly& you will find the pedal comes up. Don=E2=80=99t ask me why, but =
I=E2=80=99ve donethis several times with my own and other people=E2=80=99s =
cars, and itworks!

Cheers=C2=A0Peter=C2=A0From:Healeys <[email-masked]>On Beha=
lf Of Michael Salter via Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 5:43 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes=C2=A0This article may help.https://precis=
ionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/=C2=A0On Tue., =
Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54 a.m.warthodson--- via Healeys, <[email-masked]>=
wrote:
We arehaving a very difficult time adjusting & bleeding the brakes on afrie=
nd's BN1.The carhas recently under a full ground up restoration so things l=
ikebrake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brakecylinders ar=
e new, the master cyl. is new, etc.We bleedthe system so many times differe=
nt way that I have losttrack.=C2=A0We haveadjusted the free play to assure =
that the plunger is able to returnto the full "off" position.When weadjust =
the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" freemovement at the pedal.W=
e haveadjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag atrest.Ourissue i=
s:Excessivebrake pedal travel before the brakes begin to beeffective.=C2=A0=
Pumpingthe brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue, which wethink=
 indicates air still in the system.We arenot having any leaks & the reservo=
ir port is functioning correctly,IE: no locking up of the brakes.=C2=A0Gary=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0

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 brakes ([email-masked])<br>&nbsp;  2. Re: Leaky Banjo Fittings at Carb=
s (Hank Leach)<br>&nbsp;  3. Re: 100 brakes (Hank Leach)<br>&nbsp;  4. Re: =
100 brakes (Michael Salter)<br>&nbsp;  5. Re: 100 brakes (greylinn@ozemail.=
com.au)<br>&nbsp;  6. Re: 100 brakes (Hank Leach)<br>&nbsp;  7. Re: 100 bra=
kes ([email-masked])<br>&nbsp;  8. Re: 100 brakes ([email-masked])<=
br><div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fymsg64680" class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fymsg7790879876"><di=
v id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865">
<div style=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-s=
tretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Comic Sa=
ns MS, sans-serif;">We are having a very difficult time adjusting &amp; ble=
eding the brakes on a friend's BN1.
<div>The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so things like=
 brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylinders are=
 new, the master cyl. is new, etc.</div>

<div>We bleed the system so many times different way that I have lost track=
.&nbsp;</div>

<div>We have adjusted the free play to assure that the plunger is able to r=
eturn to the full "off" position.</div>

<div>When we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free mo=
vement at the pedal.</div>

<div>We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at rest.</=
div>

<div>Our issue is:</div>

<div>Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be effective.&=
nbsp;</div>

<div>Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue, which w=
e think indicates air still in the system.</div>

<div>We are not having any leaks &amp; the reservoir port is functioning co=
rrectly, IE: no locking up of the brakes.&nbsp;</div>

<div>Gary</div>

<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
</div>
</div></div><div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fymsg77556" class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fymsg779087=
9876"><div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865"><div>I dont think its the wrench=
, as both fit.&nbsp; It is more about the type of fiber washer and the prop=
er placement of it. If you "wiggle" the fitting as you insert it by hand it=
 will help to not strip out the casting (which is the scrafical item).&nbsp=
; If it does not start in smoothly, STOP and redo it again by hand.&nbsp; C=
arb bodies are expensive. Yes, WD-40 or even a bit of red grease will help =
the mating of the two threaded parts. "Genuine" SU parts are the best to us=
e if you can find them. Hank<br><br><div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865r=
eply-new-signature"></div><p>-----------------------------------------</p>F=
rom: "Bob Spidell" <br>To:  "[email-masked]"<br>Cc: <br>Sent: Monda=
y March 13 2023 11:01:57AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Leaky Banjo Fittings a=
t Carbs<br><br>
Sure, but 13/16" fits well.<br><br><br><div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv11801208=
65moz-cite-prefix">On 3/13/2023 9:37 AM, <a class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv11801208=
65moz-txt-link-abbreviated">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;=
 font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: T=
ahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Bob,
<div><br></div>
<div>I think that SU fittings are Whitworth size wrench sizes...not
13/16". And you can strip out the threads in the cast fuel bowl
lids.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Ben Cohen</div>
<div>BN1, BN7, BJ8</div>
<div><br><br><br><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica;font-size:10pt;=
color:#000000;">
<font size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Bob Spidell <a class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865moz-txt-link-rfc2396E=
">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
To: <a class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865moz-txt-link-abbreviated">healeys@a=
utox.team.net</a><br>
Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 9:12 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Leaky Banjo Fittings at Carbs<br><br></font>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2">Are the washers brown or black? I
believe the brown ones are the<br clear=3D"none">
original type and the black ones are being proffered by some
suppliers<br clear=3D"none">
and may be slightly undersized. I usually, if I think of it, soak
them<br clear=3D"none">
in WD-40 for an hour or so before installing, and re-torque them
after a<br clear=3D"none">
day or so because they do take a set. I torque them 'elbow-tight*'
with<br clear=3D"none">
a 13/16" half-inch socket and wrench (fits the bolt head well). It
would<br clear=3D"none">
be difficult, but not impossible to strip the threads on a banjo
fitting<br clear=3D"none">
as they're coarse (you'd likely strip the carb or pump threads, not
the<br clear=3D"none">
bolt).<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
* Torque settings : finger-tight, wrist-tight,
elbow-tight,<br clear=3D"none">
shoulder-tight and all-you-got tight.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
Bob<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></font>
<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865yqt9764109702"><font size=3D"2"><br c=
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On 3/13/2023 8:39 AM, Harold Manifold wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; Hello,<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; I am having a problem with leaky banjo fittings&nbsp;on my HD6
carburetors.<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; The leaks are at the banjo washers. The washers are new and
all<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; surfaces are clean and smooth.<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; I would appreciate any suggestions on how to solve the leaks.
Should<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; the washers be soaked in anything first? Is there a
recommended<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; sealant? Is there a maximum torque&nbsp;for the banjo
bolts?<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; Thanks.... Harold<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
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</div></div><div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fymsg47300" class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fymsg779087=
9876"><div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865"><div>It sure sounds like air. Th=
e 100 system is difficult to bleed due to the placement of the wheel cylind=
ers and bleeders. I like to pull out the fluid rather than push out the stu=
ff. Use something like a Mityvac to do this starting at the right rear.&nbs=
p;<div><br></div><div>The smallest bubbles will create a lot of pedal trave=
l but if it pumps up to a hard pedal then its for sure air in the system. K=
eep the cap on the canister when bleeding and check under the canister for =
a wet finger.&nbsp; Moss has good seals for that purpose.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>The word "new" in brake systems scares me, as there are so many cra=
ppy replacement parts made in foreign countries that look like good new ite=
ms. I prefer to rebuilt original or sleeve them if necessary to use the ori=
ginal items. The seal kits are another story. Can you find good Girling rep=
air kits. Many of the foreign replacements are knockoffs of the original. U=
se TRW (they bought Lockheed) only-not unknown brands...even new Lucas is n=
ot old Lucas.</div><div><br></div><div>I pumped and pulled gallons of brake=
 fluid thru a MKI bugeye system only to find the seal stuck in the back of =
the master cylinder because the Moss purchased seals were too big! Use TRW.=
 When I got the replacement seals from them, they had the same number stamp=
 on the seal. They are using the same molds to make the seals.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Did you use red grease on all the threaded fittings? Check all=
 for a wet finger. Hope this info lessens your frustration. A word that goe=
s hand in hand with brake bleeding. Hank<br><br><div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyi=
v1180120865reply-new-signature"></div><p>----------------------------------=
-------</p>From: "warthodson--- via Healeys" <br>To: "[email-masked]=
t"<br>Cc: <br>Sent: Monday March 13 2023 12:07:18PM<br>Subject: [Healeys] 1=
00 brakes<br><br>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;=
 font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: C=
omic Sans MS, sans-serif;">We
are having a very difficult time adjusting &amp; bleeding the brakes on
a friend's BN1.
<div>The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so
things like brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the
brake cylinders are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.</div>
<div>We bleed the system so many times different way that I have
lost track.&nbsp;</div>
<div>We have adjusted the free play to assure that the plunger is
able to return to the full "off" position.</div>
<div>When we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8"
free movement at the pedal.</div>
<div>We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at
rest.</div>
<div>Our issue is:</div>
<div>Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be
effective.&nbsp;</div>
<div>Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue,
which we think indicates air still in the system.</div>
<div>We are not having any leaks &amp; the reservoir port is
functioning correctly, IE: no locking up of the brakes.&nbsp;</div>
<div>Gary</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
</div>
</div></div>=20
</div></div><div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fymsg28933" class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fymsg779087=
9876"><div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865"><div>This article may help.<div>=
<a href=3D"https://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-dr=
um-brakes/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://precisionsportscar.c=
om/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/</a><br></div></div><br><div =
class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydp=
e2c4a19fyiv1180120865gmail_attr">On Tue., Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54 a.m. warthods=
on--- via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nof=
ollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex;" class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865gmail_quote">
<div style=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-s=
tretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Comic Sa=
ns MS, sans-serif;">We are having a very difficult time adjusting &amp; ble=
eding the brakes on a friend's BN1.
<div>The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so things like=
 brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylinders are=
 new, the master cyl. is new, etc.</div>

<div>We bleed the system so many times different way that I have lost track=
.&nbsp;</div>

<div>We have adjusted the free play to assure that the plunger is able to r=
eturn to the full "off" position.</div>

<div>When we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free mo=
vement at the pedal.</div>

<div>We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at rest.</=
div>

<div>Our issue is:</div>

<div>Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be effective.&=
nbsp;</div>

<div>Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue, which w=
e think indicates air still in the system.</div>

<div>We are not having any leaks &amp; the reservoir port is functioning co=
rrectly, IE: no locking up of the brakes.&nbsp;</div>

<div>Gary</div>

<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
</div>
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v1180120865WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><sp=
an>Michael assuming you have some resistance after pumping the pedal, jam t=
he pedal down hard and leave it at least overnight, preferably longer. Do t=
his repeatedly &amp; you will find the pedal comes up. Don=E2=80=99t ask me=
 why, but I=E2=80=99ve done this several times with my own and other people=
=E2=80=99s cars, and it works!<br><br>Cheers</span></p><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a=
19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fy=
iv1180120865MsoNormal"><span>Peter</span></p><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180=
120865MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-t=
op:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fy=
iv1180120865MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Michael Salter via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 14 March 2023 5:43 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br=
><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes</span></p></div><p class=3D"ydpe2=
c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv118=
0120865MsoNormal">This article may help.</p><div><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv=
1180120865MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-aus=
tin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https:/=
/precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/</a></p>=
</div></div><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div>=
<div><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal">On Tue., Mar. 14, 2023,=
 7:54 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC =
1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;"><div><=
p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0=
pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:black;">We are having a very difficult t=
ime adjusting &amp; bleeding the brakes on a friend's BN1. </span></p><div>=
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:black;">The car has recently under a fu=
ll ground up restoration so things like brake lines including flex lines ar=
e new, seals in the brake cylinders are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.</=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:black;">We bleed th=
e system so many times different way that I have lost track.&nbsp;</span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:black;">We have adjusted t=
he free play to assure that the plunger is able to return to the full "off"=
 position.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:black;"=
>When we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free moveme=
nt at the pedal.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:b=
lack;">We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at rest.=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:black;">Our issue=
 is:</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:black;">Exces=
sive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be effective.&nbsp;</spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:black;">Pumping the br=
akes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue, which we think indicates a=
ir still in the system.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180=
120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;=
color:black;">We are not having any leaks &amp; the reservoir port is funct=
ioning correctly, IE: no locking up of the brakes.&nbsp;</span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12.0pt;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:black;">Gary</span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0p=
t;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:black;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</span>=
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a19fyiv1180120865"><div>Peter-yea, what I think happens there, providing th=
ere are no leaks anywhere else, is that under pressure, overnight, the syst=
em "pushes" the air bubble to the only place that it can get out-the vent h=
ole in the canister!<div><br></div><div>I have used this method also for "f=
inal bleeding"...could be a line item on an invoice to look official and ga=
rner more dough, Ha.&nbsp; Hank<br><br><div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv11801208=
65reply-new-signature"></div><p>-----------------------------------------</=
p>From: "greylinn--- via Healeys" <br>To: "Michael Salter"<br>Cc: healeys@a=
utox.team.net<br>Sent: Monday March 13 2023 4:02:50PM<br>Subject: Re: [Heal=
eys] 100 brakes<br><br>
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<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span>Michael assuming you h=
ave some
resistance after pumping the pedal, jam the pedal down hard and
leave it at least overnight, preferably longer. Do this repeatedly
&amp; you will find the pedal comes up. Don=E2=80=99t ask me why, but I=E2=
=80=99ve done
this several times with my own and other people=E2=80=99s cars, and it
works!<br><br>
Cheers</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span>Peter</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm =
0cm;">
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"en-us">From=
:</span></b>
<span lang=3D"en-us">Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of</b> Michael Salter via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 14 =
March 2023 5:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> healeys@a=
utox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes</span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal">This article may help.</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://precision=
sportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/" rel=3D"nofollow"=
 target=3D"_blank">
</a><a href=3D"https://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-whee=
l-drum-brakes/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://precisionsportsc=
ar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/</a></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal">On Tue., Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54=
 a.m.
warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt;
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1pt;padding:0cm =
0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;">
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">We are
having a very difficult time adjusting &amp; bleeding the brakes on a
friend's BN1.</span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">The car
has recently under a full ground up restoration so things like
brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake
cylinders are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">We bleed
the system so many times different way that I have lost
track.&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">We have
adjusted the free play to assure that the plunger is able to return
to the full "off" position.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">When we
adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free
movement at the pedal.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">We have
adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at
rest.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">Our
issue is:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">Excessive
brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be
effective.&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">Pumping
the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue, which we
think indicates air still in the system.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">We are
not having any leaks &amp; the reservoir port is functioning correctly,
IE: no locking up of the brakes.&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">Gary</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">&nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</span></p>
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</div></div><div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fymsg87575" class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fymsg779087=
9876"><div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865">
<div style=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-s=
tretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Comic Sa=
ns MS, sans-serif;">
<div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black;">
<div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865">
<div>
<div style=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-s=
tretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Comic Sa=
ns MS, sans-serif;">One more related question.&nbsp; The attached illustrat=
es exactly how our pedal assembly &amp; master cylinder are installed. In o=
rder to get the specified 1/8" free play at the pedal pad, the lever with t=
he arrow pointing at it is against the foot board. Is that normal/correct?&=
nbsp;</div>

<div style=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-s=
tretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Comic Sa=
ns MS, sans-serif;">Gary H<br clear=3D"none">
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865yqt1386248135">
<div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><fo=
nt size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">
To: 'Michael Salter' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]<br=
 clear=3D"none">
Cc: [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 5:29 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: RE: [Healeys] 100 brakes<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">

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<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865WordSection1">

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span>Michael assuming you=
 have some resistance after pumping the pedal, jam the pedal down hard and =
leave it at least overnight, preferably longer. Do this repeatedly &amp; yo=
u will find the pedal comes up. Don=E2=80=99t ask me why, but I=E2=80=99ve =
done this several times with my own and other people=E2=80=99s cars, and it=
 works!<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Cheers</span></div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span>Peter</span></div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></div>

<div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865yqt63547" class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120=
865yqt0938739173">

<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm;">

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">Fr=
om:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;[email-masked].=
net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter via Healeys<br clear=3D"none"><b=
>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 14 March 2023 5:43 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> wart=
[email-masked]<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=
=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes</span></div>

</div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal">This article may help.</di=
v>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"=
https://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/"=
 rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding=
-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/</a></div>

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</div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>

<div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal">On Tue., Mar. 14, 2023, 7:=
54 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:hea=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>

</div>

<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;">

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">We are having a very difficult time ad=
justing &amp; bleeding the brakes on a friend's BN1. </span></div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">The car has recently under a full grou=
nd up restoration so things like brake lines including flex lines are new, =
seals in the brake cylinders are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.</span></=
div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">We bleed the system so many times diff=
erent way that I have lost track.&nbsp;</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">We have adjusted the free play to assu=
re that the plunger is able to return to the full "off" position.</span></d=
iv>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">When we adjust the operating rod to ac=
hieve the specified 1/8" free movement at the pedal.</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">We have adjusted the brake shoes to ha=
ve a very slight drag at rest.</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">Our issue is:</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">Excessive brake pedal travel before th=
e brakes begin to be effective.&nbsp;</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">Pumping the brakes temporarily improve=
 the pedal travel issue, which we think indicates air still in the system.<=
/span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">We are not having any leaks &amp; the =
reservoir port is functioning correctly, IE: no locking up of the brakes.&n=
bsp;</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">Gary</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:Sans;color:black;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</span></div=

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</div></div><div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fymsg77735" class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fymsg779087=
9876"><div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865">
<div style=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-s=
tretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Comic Sa=
ns MS, sans-serif;">The bubble will perhaps migrate to the highest point &a=
mp; if that is the reservoir then it might escape, but this only applies if=
 the path is always up. Then bubble will never migrate on its own down. Als=
o, the system is not pushing on the bubble in any single direction. If the =
system is under pressure, the is uniform throughout the entire system. Esse=
ntially, the bubble, being lighter than the fluid, trying to float. Bleedin=
g the system is different, there is flow of the fluid to help move the bubb=
le.
<div>Gary<br>
<br>

<div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><fo=
nt size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Hank Leach &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked]' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: 'Michael Salter' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]' &lt;[email-masked]=
.net&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 7:15 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes<br>
<br>

<div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865">Peter-yea, what I think happens there,=
 providing there are no leaks anywhere else, is that under pressure, overni=
ght, the system "pushes" the air bubble to the only place that it can get o=
ut-the vent hole in the canister!
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>

<div>I have used this method also for "final bleeding"...could be a line it=
em on an invoice to look official and garner more dough, Ha.&nbsp; Hank<br =
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
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<div id=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865yqt65969" class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120=
865yqt2070115855">
<div>-----------------------------------------</div>
From: "greylinn--- via Healeys" <br clear=3D"none">To: "Michael Salter"<br =
clear=3D"none">Cc: [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">Sent: Monday Ma=
rch 13 2023 4:02:50PM<br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes<b=
r clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865WordSection1">

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span>Michael assuming you=
 have some
resistance after pumping the pedal, jam the pedal down hard and
leave it at least overnight, preferably longer. Do this repeatedly
&amp; you will find the pedal comes up. Don=E2=80=99t ask me why, but I=E2=
=80=99ve done
this several times with my own and other people=E2=80=99s cars, and it
works!<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
Cheers</span></div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span>Peter</span></div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></div>

<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm =
0cm;">

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"en-us">Fr=
om:</span></b>
<span lang=3D"en-us">Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of</b> Michael Salter via Healeys<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</=
b> Tuesday, 14 March 2023 5:43 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> warthodson@a=
ol.com<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none=
"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes</span></div>

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v>

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<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal">On Tue., Mar. 14, 2023, 7:=
54 a.m.
warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;
wrote:</div>

</div>

<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1pt;padding:0cm =
0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;">

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">We are
having a very difficult time adjusting &amp; bleeding the brakes on a
friend's BN1.</span></div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">The car
has recently under a full ground up restoration so things like
brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake
cylinders are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">We bleed
the system so many times different way that I have lost
track.&nbsp;</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">We have
adjusted the free play to assure that the plunger is able to return
to the full "off" position.</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">When we
adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free
movement at the pedal.</span></div>

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<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">We have
adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at
rest.</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">Our
issue is:</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">Excessive
brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be
effective.&nbsp;</span></div>

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<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">Pumping
the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue, which we
think indicates air still in the system.</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">We are
not having any leaks &amp; the reservoir port is functioning correctly,
IE: no locking up of the brakes.&nbsp;</span></div>

</div>

<div>

<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">Gary</span></div>

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<div class=3D"ydpe2c4a19fyiv1180120865MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt;font-family:'Comic Sans MS';color:#000000;">&nbsp;
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