Subject: [Healeys] 100 brakes

From: warthodson--- via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 18:26:16 +0000 (UTC)

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We are having a very difficult time adjusting & bleeding the brakes on a fr=
iend's BN1.The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so thing=
s like brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylinde=
rs are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.We bleed the system so many times d=
ifferent way that I have lost track.=C2=A0We have adjusted the free play to=
 assure that the plunger is able to return to the full "off" position.When =
we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free movement at =
the pedal.We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at re=
st.Our issue is:Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be =
effective.=C2=A0Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel iss=
ue, which we think indicates air still in the system.We are not having any =
leaks & the reservoir port is functioning correctly, IE: no locking up of t=
he brakes.=C2=A0Gary=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0
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<div style="color:black;font: 12pt Comic Sans MS, sans-serif;">We are having a very difficult time adjusting &amp; bleeding the brakes on a friend's BN1.
<div>The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so things like brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylinders are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.</div>

<div>We bleed the system so many times different way that I have lost track.&nbsp;</div>

<div>We have adjusted the free play to assure that the plunger is able to return to the full "off" position.</div>

<div>When we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free movement at the pedal.</div>

<div>We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at rest.</div>

<div>Our issue is:</div>

<div>Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be effective.&nbsp;</div>

<div>Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue, which we think indicates air still in the system.</div>

<div>We are not having any leaks &amp; the reservoir port is functioning correctly, IE: no locking up of the brakes.&nbsp;</div>

<div>Gary</div>

<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
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From: Michael Salter via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 08:43:10 +1300

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This article may help.
https://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/

On Tue., Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> We are having a very difficult time adjusting & bleeding the brakes on a
> friend's BN1.
> The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so things like
> brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylinders are
> new, the master cyl. is new, etc.
> We bleed the system so many times different way that I have lost track.
> We have adjusted the free play to assure that the plunger is able to
> return to the full "off" position.
> When we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free
> movement at the pedal.
> We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at rest.
> Our issue is:
> Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be effective.
> Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue, which we
> think indicates air still in the system.
> We are not having any leaks & the reservoir port is functioning correctly,
> IE: no locking up of the brakes.
> Gary
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<div dir=3D"auto">This article may help.<div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https:=
//precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/">https=
://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/</a><b=
r></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Tue., Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt Comic Sans MS,sans-serif">We are having=
 a very difficult time adjusting &amp; bleeding the brakes on a friend&#39;=
s BN1.
<div>The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so things like=
 brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylinders are=
 new, the master cyl. is new, etc.</div>

<div>We bleed the system so many times different way that I have lost track=
.=C2=A0</div>

<div>We have adjusted the free play to assure that the plunger is able to r=
eturn to the full &quot;off&quot; position.</div>

<div>When we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8&quot; fr=
ee movement at the pedal.</div>

<div>We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at rest.</=
div>

<div>Our issue is:</div>

<div>Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be effective.=
=C2=A0</div>

<div>Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue, which w=
e think indicates air still in the system.</div>

<div>We are not having any leaks &amp; the reservoir port is functioning co=
rrectly, IE: no locking up of the brakes.=C2=A0</div>

<div>Gary</div>

<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0</div>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 08:29:52 +1000

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Michael assuming you have some resistance after pumping the pedal, jam =
the pedal down hard and leave it at least overnight, preferably longer. =
Do this repeatedly & you will find the pedal comes up. Don=E2=80=99t ask =
me why, but I=E2=80=99ve done this several times with my own and other =
people=E2=80=99s cars, and it works!

Cheers

=20

Peter

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Michael =
Salter via Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 5:43 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes

=20

This article may help.

https://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes=
/

=20

On Tue., Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, =

We are having a very difficult time adjusting & bleeding the brakes on a =
friend's BN1.=20

The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so things like =
brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylinders =
are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.

We bleed the system so many times different way that I have lost track.=20

We have adjusted the free play to assure that the plunger is able to =
return to the full "off" position.

When we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free =
movement at the pedal.

Our issue is:

Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be effective.=20

Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel issue, which we =
think indicates air still in the system.

We are not having any leaks & the reservoir port is functioning =
correctly, IE: no locking up of the brakes.=20

Gary

     =20

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Michael assuming you have some =
resistance after pumping the pedal, jam the pedal down hard and leave it =
at least overnight, preferably longer. Do this repeatedly &amp; you will =
find the pedal comes up. Don=E2=80=99t ask me why, but I=E2=80=99ve done =
this several times with my own and other people=E2=80=99s cars, and it =
works!<br><br>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael =
Salter via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 14 March 2023 5:43 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 100 =
brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>This =
article may help.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-dru=
m-brakes/">https://precisionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-=
drum-brakes/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue., Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:black'>We are having a very difficult time adjusting =
&amp; bleeding the brakes on a friend's BN1. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>The =
car has recently under a full ground up restoration so things like brake =
lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylinders are =
new, the master cyl. is new, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:black'>We bleed the system so many times different way =
that I have lost track.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:black'>We have adjusted the free play to assure that the =
plunger is able to return to the full &quot;off&quot; =
position.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>When =
we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8&quot; free =
movement at the pedal.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:black'>We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very =
slight drag at rest.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:black'>Our issue is:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:black'>Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes =
begin to be effective.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:black'>Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal =
travel issue, which we think indicates air still in the =
system.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>We =
are not having any leaks &amp; the reservoir port is functioning =
correctly, IE: no locking up of the =
brakes.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Gary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
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From: warthodson--- via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 12:49:31 +0000 (UTC)

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One more related question.=C2=A0 The attached illustrates exactly how our p=
edal assembly & master cylinder are installed. In order to get the specifie=
d 1/8" free play at the pedal pad, the lever with the arrow pointing at it =
is against the foot board. Is that normal/correct?=C2=A0Gary H

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked]
To: 'Michael Salter' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 5:29 pm
Subject: RE: [Healeys] 100 brakes

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after pumping the pedal, jam the pedal down hard and leave it at least over=
night, preferably longer. Do this repeatedly & you will find the pedal come=
s up. Don=E2=80=99t ask me why, but I=E2=80=99ve done this several times wi=
th my own and other people=E2=80=99s cars, and it works!

Cheers =C2=A0Peter =C2=A0From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On =
Behalf Of Michael Salter via Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 5:43 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes =C2=A0This article may help.https://preci=
sionsportscar.com/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/ =C2=A0On Tue.=
, Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54 a.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:
We are having a very difficult time adjusting & bleeding the brakes on a fr=
iend's BN1. The car has recently under a full ground up restoration so thin=
gs like brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in the brake cylind=
ers are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.We bleed the system so many times =
different way that I have lost track.=C2=A0We have adjusted the free play t=
o assure that the plunger is able to return to the full "off" position.When=
 we adjust the operating rod to achieve the specified 1/8" free movement at=
 the pedal.We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very slight drag at r=
est.Our issue is:Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes begin to be=
 effective.=C2=A0Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal travel is=
sue, which we think indicates air still in the system.We are not having any=
 leaks & the reservoir port is functioning correctly, IE: no locking up of =
the brakes.=C2=A0Gary=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0____________________________=
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ly &amp; master cylinder are installed. In order to get the specified 1/8" =
free play at the pedal pad, the lever with the arrow pointing at it is agai=
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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">Michael assuming you=
 have some resistance after pumping the pedal, jam the pedal down hard and =
leave it at least overnight, preferably longer. Do this repeatedly &amp; yo=
u will find the pedal comes up. Don=E2=80=99t ask me why, but I=E2=80=99ve =
done this several times with my own and other people=E2=80=99s cars, and it=
 works!<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Cheers</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D""> &nbsp;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"">Peter</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D""> &nbsp;</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>=
On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter via Healeys<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> =
Tuesday, 14 March 2023 5:43 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> warthodson@aol.=
com<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none"><=
b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 100 brakes</span></div>

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bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/">https://precisionsportscar.com=
/bleeding-austin-healey-4-wheel-drum-brakes/</a></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal">On Tue., Mar. 14, 2023, 7:54 a.m. war=
thodson--- via Healeys, &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</d=
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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:black;">We are having a very difficult time adjusting &am=
p; bleeding the brakes on a friend's BN1. </span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:black;">The car has recently under a full ground up resto=
ration so things like brake lines including flex lines are new, seals in th=
e brake cylinders are new, the master cyl. is new, etc.</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:black;">We bleed the system so many times different way t=
hat I have lost track.&nbsp;</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:black;">We have adjusted the free play to assure that the=
 plunger is able to return to the full "off" position.</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:black;">When we adjust the operating rod to achieve the s=
pecified 1/8" free movement at the pedal.</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:black;">We have adjusted the brake shoes to have a very s=
light drag at rest.</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:black;">Our issue is:</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:black;">Excessive brake pedal travel before the brakes be=
gin to be effective.&nbsp;</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:black;">Pumping the brakes temporarily improve the pedal =
travel issue, which we think indicates air still in the system.</span></div=

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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:black;">We are not having any leaks &amp; the reservoir p=
ort is functioning correctly, IE: no locking up of the brakes.&nbsp;</span>=
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<div class=3D"yiv6883006609MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:Sans;color:black;">Gary</span></div>

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