Subject: [Healeys] Austin Healey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.

From: josef-eckert--- via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 08:49:32 +0200 (CEST)

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Hello Mike,
I still suspect the master switch, or the white/black wire to it.
To check this, just take the white/black wire off the distributer and coil.=
=20
And instead make a temporary connection (wire) from coil to distributer.=20
And now make a test drive.
=20
Cheers,
=20
Josef Eckert
Konigswinter/GERMANY

        =20

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        Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2022 8:10 AM
        Subject: Re: [Healeys] Austin Healey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.

        =20

        Thanks to all who have obviously given this misfire issue
        considerable thought. I will be sure to check all suggestions.=20

        I  should like to point out however that it is the immediate
        vanishing of the misfire after filling the fuel tank that has me
        confused.=20

        This has happened three times simce the problem appeared.

        I just don't understand how an ignition problem could change as a
        result of filling the tank.

        Furthermore I'm convinced that this is not a fuel starvation
        problem because the amount of engine power being used has no
        effect.

        Totally baffled.

        Thanks again to all ... I'll  report back.

        =20

        On Thu., Sep. 29, 2022, 9:14 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, <

         Hi John -

         =20

         Yes, that was the point I was trying to make, sorry if it fell
         through bad interpretation!  As Ed McMahon used to say, "You Are
         Correct Sir!"

         =20

         Cheers,

         =20

         Alan

         =20

         On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:53 PM john harper <[email-masked]

          Alan

          =20

          Coils can fail with heat and then recover when cooled. I had one
          that had these symptoms and when looking closely I saw that the
          insulating oil had run out through a very small crack in the
          bottom of the case.

          =20

          On Thu, 29 Sept 2022 at 10:34, Alan Seigrist <

           Michael -

           Just as a follow up to my email since the symptoms seem to
           manifest themself  ...=20

               * whether the car is warmed up or not - this typically will
                 exclude anything related to fuel or the coil
               * whether the car is under load or not - this typically will
                 exclude anything related to fuel
               * whether the choke is pulled or not - this typically will
                 exclude anything related to fuel
               * somewhat intermittent but systematically under all
                 conditions - suggests to me wiring / ground issues

           Given this I'd check (as a priority):

               * Battery Master (when these fail they will ground the coil)
               * primary ignition wire (white) from the switch to coil
                 (cycle the connections)
               * motor ground straps (cycle the connections)
               * loose wires in the dizzy
               * loose ignition wires into the dizzy or spark plug

           Other things to possibly do (as secondary):

               * replace rotor
               * replace dizzy cap

           I don't think it would be contacts or condensor simply because
           this would either be very regular all the time, or maybe
           sensitive to temp.

           Best,

           =20

           Alan

           =20

           On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:46 PM Bob Spidell <

            re: "... I don=E2=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from t=
he
            distributor wire ..."

            It is (or should be). If the battery switch is in the 'OFF'
            position it grounds the coil primary so no spark.

            On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:

                Hi Michael -

                =20

                Have you tried cycling the connections on the white wire
                from the ignition switch to the coil, and also from the
                coil to the distributor.

                =20

                You might also want to try disconnecting the black and
                white wire at the coil from the battery master switch - if
                it=E2=80=99s failing you=E2=80=99ll get weird symptoms like=
 this.  If that
                wire is disconnected the car should run no problem.  I
                don=E2=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the dist=
ributor
                wire, if it isn=E2=80=99t you=E2=80=99ll have to disconnect=
 it from
                underneath the master switch itself.

                =20

                Best,

                =20

                Alan

            =20

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e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;te=
xt-decoration:none">Hello Mike,<br /></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">I still suspect the=
 master switch, or the white/black wire to it.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">To check this, just=
 take the white/black wire off the distributer and coil. And instead make a=
 temporary connection (wire) from coil to distributer. And now make a test =
drive.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Cheers,</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Josef Eckert</span>=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Konigswinter/GERMAN=
Y</span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
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order-top: 1pt solid #e1e1e1; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border: none; padding: 0in;"><strong>From: =
</strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noref=
errer">Michael Salter</a><br /><strong>Sent: </strong>Thursday, September 2=
9, 2022 8:10 AM<br /><strong>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmai=
l.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer">Alan Seigrist</a><br /><strong>Cc: </s=
trong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferre=
r">Healey list</a><br /><strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [Healeys] Austin Heal=
ey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to all who have obviously given this misfire =
issue considerable thought. I will be sure to check all suggestions.&nbsp;<=
u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I&nbsp; should like to point out however that it is =
the immediate vanishing of the misfire after filling the fuel tank that has=
 me confused.&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This has happened three times simce the problem appe=
ared.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I just don't understand how an ignition problem coul=
d change as a result of filling the tank.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Furthermore I'm convinced that this is not a fuel st=
arvation problem because the amount of engine power being used has no effec=
t.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Totally baffled.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks again to all ... I'll&nbsp; report back.<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu., Sep. 29, 2022, 9:14 a.m. Alan Seigrist via =
Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer no=
referrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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one; border-left: 1pt solid #cccccc; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left:=
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi John -<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, that was the point I was trying to make, sorry =
if it fell through bad interpretation!&nbsp; As Ed McMahon used to say, "Yo=
u Are Correct Sir!"<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:53 PM john harper &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer">ah100tech@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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one; border-left: 1pt solid #cccccc; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left:=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Coils can fail with heat and then recover when coole=
d. I had one that had these symptoms and when looking closely I saw that th=
e insulating oil had run out through a very small&nbsp;crack in the bottom =
of the case.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, 29 Sept 2022 at 10:34, Alan Seigrist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer">healey.n=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael -<br /><br />Just as a follow up to my email=
 since the symptoms seem to manifest themself&nbsp;&nbsp;...&nbsp;<u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">whether the car is warmed up or not - this typicall=
y will exclude anything related to fuel or the coil<u></u><u></u></li>
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">whether the car is under load or not - this typical=
ly will exclude anything related to fuel<u></u><u></u></li>
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">whether the choke is pulled or not - this typically=
 will exclude anything related to fuel<u></u><u></u></li>
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">somewhat intermittent but systematically under all =
conditions - suggests to me wiring / ground issues<u></u><u></u></li>
</ul>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Given this I'd check (as a priority):<u></u><u></u><=
/p>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">Battery Master (when these fail they will ground th=
e coil)<u></u><u></u></li>
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">primary ignition wire (white) from the switch to co=
il (cycle the connections)<u></u><u></u></li>
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">motor ground straps (cycle the connections)<u></u><=
u></u></li>
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">loose wires in the dizzy<u></u><u></u></li>
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">loose ignition&nbsp;wires into the dizzy or spark p=
lug<u></u><u></u></li>
</ul>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Other things to possibly do (as secondary):<u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">replace rotor<u></u><u></u></li>
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">replace dizzy cap<u></u><u></u></li>
</ul>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don't think it would be contacts or condensor simp=
ly because this would either be very regular&nbsp;all the time, or maybe se=
nsitive to temp.<br /><br />Best,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12pt;">Alan<u></u><u></u></p=
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:46 PM Bob Spidell &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer">bspidell@=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12pt;">re: "... I don&rsquo;=
t recall if that wire is separate from the distributor wire ..."<br /><br /=
>It is (or should be). If the battery switch is in the 'OFF' position it gr=
ounds the coil primary so no spark.<br /><br /><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:<u></u><u>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Michael -<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have you tried cycling the connections on the white =
wire from the ignition switch to the coil, and also from the coil to the di=
stributor.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You might also want to try disconnecting the black a=
nd white wire at the coil from the battery master switch - if it&rsquo;s fa=
iling you&rsquo;ll get weird symptoms like this.&nbsp; If that wire is disc=
onnected the car should run no problem.&nbsp; I don&rsquo;t recall if that =
wire is separate from the distributor wire, if it isn&rsquo;t you&rsquo;ll =
have to disconnect it from underneath the master switch itself.<u></u><u></=
u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
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