Subject: Re: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks

From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 17:03:07 -0000

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Well, who knows? I have a MkII which has had the roll pins (BT7, BN7 & =
BJ7) and the nylon bush (BJ8) for the last 25++ years. And which worked =
fine.

When I asked AHSpares for a new bush, this one having been there for =
25++ years, they sent me a nylon one.

Yours confused of Bradninch. (aka Simon).

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of richard =
mayor via Healeys
Sent: 03 December 2021 16:38
To: healeys <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks

=20

I have a top cover for what I thought was for a BJ8.  I have no stick =
and no bushings - just the bare cover.  I has the roll pins in place.   =
Does this mean it is for a BJ7 and not a BJ8?

=20

And if it came from a BJ7 can it still be used on a BJ8 transmission =
assuming one could find the proper stick and bushing? =20

=20

Thanks,  Richard

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link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Well, who =
knows? I have a MkII which has had the roll pins (BT7, BN7 &amp; BJ7) =
and the nylon bush (BJ8) for the last 25++ years. And which worked =
fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>When I asked AHSpares for a new =
bush, this one having been there for 25++ years, they sent me a nylon =
one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Yours confused of Bradninch. (aka =
Simon).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>richard mayor via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> 03 December 2021 =
16:38<br><b>To:</b> healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Center =
change gear sticks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
have a top cover for what I thought was for a BJ8.&nbsp; I have no stick =
and no bushings - just the bare cover.&nbsp; I has the roll pins in =
place. &nbsp; Does this mean it is for a BJ7 and not a =
BJ8?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>And if it came from a BJ7 can it still be used on a =
BJ8 transmission assuming one could find the proper stick and =
bushing?&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,&nbsp; =
Richard<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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From: Harold Manifold via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 10:05:22 -0800

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'word-wrap:break-word'><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Simon=
,</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have =
two Healey transmissions both in some degree of disassembly. I measured the=
 brass bush on both:</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>Trans 1 =E2=80=93 Side Shift from a BN4=C2=A0=C2=A0 - OD 0.685=
=E2=80=9D x 0.49=E2=80=9D H</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Trans 2 =E2=80=93 BJ7 C=
entre Shift with Roll Pins =E2=80=93 OD 0.675=E2=80=9D x 0.48=E2=80=9D H</p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The service=
 parts list for both these transmissions lists AEC3520 as the BMC part numb=
er for the brass bush.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal>As we all know these bushes fit into a machined socket that i=
s part of the gear change mechanism. The bushes are in two haves and held t=
ogether with a circlip. I will suggest that a one piece nylon bush may be s=
uperior to the original brass if it is the right size to both fit the ball =
at the end of the gear lever and slide freely in the socket. When I took ap=
art both these transmissions there was a build up of debris, oil, corrosion=
, etc. in the socket that prevented the bush from moving freely. A nylon bu=
sh the right size that doesn=E2=80=99t require lubrication may give a bette=
r feel to the gear shift and not have the issues with debris build up in th=
e socket.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>What are the dimensions of the replacement nylon bush?</p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Regards,</p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Harold<o:p></o:p></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-di=
v;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">Simon Lachlan via Healeys</a><br><b>Sent: <=
/b>Friday, December 3, 2021 9:03 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:boyrace=
[email-masked]">richard mayor</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@a=
utox.team.net">Healeys</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Center change g=
ear sticks</p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Well, who knows? I have a MkII which has had the=
 roll pins (BT7, BN7 &amp; BJ7) and the nylon bush (BJ8) for the last 25++ =
years. And which worked fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an lang=3DEN-GB>When I asked AHSpares for a new bush, this one having been =
there for 25++ years, they sent me a nylon one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Yours confused of Bradninch. (aka Simon).=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys-bounce=
[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>richard mayor via Healeys<br><b>Se=
nt:</b> 03 December 2021 16:38<br><b>To:</b> healeys &lt;[email-masked]=
.net&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Center change gear sticks<span lang=
=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>I=
 have a top cover for what I thought was for a BJ8.&nbsp; I have no stick a=
nd no bushings - just the bare cover.&nbsp; I has the roll pins in place. &=
nbsp; Does this mean it is for a BJ7 and not a BJ8?<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>And if it came from a =
BJ7 can it still be used on a BJ8 transmission assuming one could find the =
proper stick and bushing?&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Thanks,&nbsp; Richard<o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></body></html>=

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From: Earl Kagna via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 13:56:12 -0800

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With Harold=E2=80=99s brass bush measurements in hand, I went out to the ga=
rage and measured a nylon bush from a spare BJ8 gearbox top cover that has =
a 22B casting number and the threaded pin type =E2=80=98stick=E2=80=99 reta=
iners.  This bush is nominally .742 in diameter, so the lever / bush assemb=
lies themselves will not interchange =E2=80=93 the holes different sizes - =
the socket piece is a different part #.

I believe that the whole top cover assembly will interchange on the gearbox=
 case.

The original parts list indicates that there were approx. 18 early BJ8 gear=
boxes that were either BJ7, or had BJ7 top covers installed, or possibly we=
re true BJ8 gearboxes with roll pins.  It=E2=80=99s possible that Simon=E2=
=80=99s gold seal replacement is one of these, as anything later would have=
 the threaded pins in the turret.  To me, it=E2=80=99s much more likely tha=
t the rebuilders have fitted a replacement nylon bush =E2=80=93 probably fr=
om a period MGB transmission.  Or possibly have fitted a BJ8 socket piece i=
nto the early top cover, along with a BJ8 lever and bush.  Simon would have=
 to start taking things apart again to find out =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m sure =
that he doesn=E2=80=99t want to do that!

I have a top shift BT7, and a BJ8 =E2=80=93 and had several others.  I=E2=
=80=99ve never noticed a huge big difference in the way they shift.  One sh=
ould remove the shift lever and clean out the hole and relubricate things e=
very decade or so.  I keep the nylon bush lubed the same as the brass one. =
(I should say kept as the BJ8 now has a Smitty 5-speed installed).  I suspe=
ct that the factory changed to the nylon bush because it was likely way che=
aper to manufacture.

Earl Kagna

Victoria BC

BJ8, BT7 tri-carb

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Harold Manifold=
 via Healeys
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 10:05 AM
To: [email-masked]; richard mayor <[email-masked]=
Cc: Healeys <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks

Simon,

I have two Healey transmissions both in some degree of disassembly. I measu=
red the brass bush on both:

Trans 1 =E2=80=93 Side Shift from a BN4   - OD 0.685=E2=80=9D x 0.49=E2=80=
=9D H

Trans 2 =E2=80=93 BJ7 Centre Shift with Roll Pins =E2=80=93 OD 0.675=E2=80=
=9D x 0.48=E2=80=9D H

The service parts list for both these transmissions lists AEC3520 as the BM=
C part number for the brass bush.

As we all know these bushes fit into a machined socket that is part of the =
gear change mechanism. The bushes are in two haves and held together with a=
 circlip. I will suggest that a one piece nylon bush may be superior to the=
 original brass if it is the right size to both fit the ball at the end of =
the gear lever and slide freely in the socket. When I took apart both these=
 transmissions there was a build up of debris, oil, corrosion, etc. in the =
socket that prevented the bush from moving freely. A nylon bush the right s=
ize that doesn=E2=80=99t require lubrication may give a better feel to the =
gear shift and not have the issues with debris build up in the socket.

What are the dimensions of the replacement nylon bush?

Regards,

Harold

Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks

Well, who knows? I have a MkII which has had the roll pins (BT7, BN7 & BJ7)=
 and the nylon bush (BJ8) for the last 25++ years. And which worked fine.

When I asked AHSpares for a new bush, this one having been there for 25++ y=
ears, they sent me a nylon one.

=2Eteam.net> > On Behalf Of richard mayor via Healeys
Sent: 03 December 2021 16:38
Subject: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks

I have a top cover for what I thought was for a BJ8.  I have no stick and n=
o bushings - just the bare cover.  I has the roll pins in place.   Does thi=
s mean it is for a BJ7 and not a BJ8?

And if it came from a BJ7 can it still be used on a BJ8 transmission assumi=
ng one could find the proper stick and bushing?  

Thanks,  Richard

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nk=3D"#954F72" style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>With Harold=E2=80=99s brass bush measurements in hand, I =
went out to the garage and measured a nylon bush from a spare BJ8 gearbox t=
op cover that has a 22B casting number and the threaded pin type =E2=80=98s=
tick=E2=80=99 retainers.=C2=A0 This bush is nominally .742 in diameter, so =
the lever / bush assemblies themselves will not interchange =E2=80=93 the h=
oles different sizes - the socket piece is a different part #.<o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I believe =
that the whole top cover assembly will interchange on the gearbox case.<o:p=
></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>T=
he original parts list indicates that there were approx. 18 early BJ8 gearb=
oxes that were either BJ7, or had BJ7 top covers installed, or possibly wer=
e true BJ8 gearboxes with roll pins.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s possible that Simon=
=E2=80=99s gold seal replacement is one of these, as anything later would h=
ave the threaded pins in the turret.=C2=A0 To me, it=E2=80=99s much more li=
kely that the rebuilders have fitted a replacement nylon bush =E2=80=93 pro=
bably from a period MGB transmission.=C2=A0 Or possibly have fitted a BJ8 s=
ocket piece into the early top cover, along with a BJ8 lever and bush.=C2=
=A0 Simon would have to start taking things apart again to find out =E2=80=
=93 I=E2=80=99m sure that he doesn=E2=80=99t want to do that!<o:p></o:p></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have a to=
p shift BT7, and a BJ8 =E2=80=93 and had several others.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve=
 never noticed a huge big difference in the way they shift.=C2=A0 One shoul=
d remove the shift lever and clean out the hole and relubricate things ever=
y decade or so.=C2=A0 I keep the nylon bush lubed the same as the brass one=
=2E (I should say kept as the BJ8 now has a Smitty 5-speed installed).=C2=
=A0 I suspect that the factory changed to the nylon bush because it was lik=
ely way cheaper to manufacture.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Earl Kagna<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal>Victoria BC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>BJ8, BT7 tri-carb<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> =
=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div st=
yle=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in=
'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;[email-masked].=
net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harold Manifold via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Fri=
day, December 3, 2021 10:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked].=
com; richard mayor &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Center change g=
ear sticks<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Simon,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have two Healey transmissions both in s=
ome degree of disassembly. I measured the brass bush on both:<o:p></o:p></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Trans 1 =E2=
=80=93 Side Shift from a BN4&nbsp;&nbsp; - OD 0.685=E2=80=9D x 0.49=E2=80=
=9D H<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Trans 2 =E2=80=93 BJ7 Centre Shift=
 with Roll Pins =E2=80=93 OD 0.675=E2=80=9D x 0.48=E2=80=9D H<o:p></o:p></p=
 parts list for both these transmissions lists AEC3520 as the BMC part numb=
er for the brass bush.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>As we all know these bushes fit into a machined so=
cket that is part of the gear change mechanism. The bushes are in two haves=
 and held together with a circlip. I will suggest that a one piece nylon bu=
sh may be superior to the original brass if it is the right size to both fi=
t the ball at the end of the gear lever and slide freely in the socket. Whe=
n I took apart both these transmissions there was a build up of debris, oil=
, corrosion, etc. in the socket that prevented the bush from moving freely.=
 A nylon bush the right size that doesn=E2=80=99t require lubrication may g=
ive a better feel to the gear shift and not have the issues with debris bui=
ld up in the socket.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal>What are the dimensions of the replacement nylon bus=
h?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal>Harold<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@au=
tox.team.net">Simon Lachlan via Healeys</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, Decembe=
r 3, 2021 9:03 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">ri=
chard mayor</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Hea=
leys</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span lang=3DEN-GB>Well, who knows? I have a MkII which has had the roll p=
ins (BT7, BN7 &amp; BJ7) and the nylon bush (BJ8) for the last 25++ years. =
And which worked fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-GB>When I asked AHSpares for a new bush, this one having been there f=
or 25++ years, they sent me a nylon one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Yours confused of Bradninch. (aka Simon).<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hea=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On B=
ehalf Of </b>richard mayor via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> 03 December 2021 16:=
38<br><b>To:</b> healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">heal=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Center change gear =
sticks<span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span l=
ang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n lang=3DEN-GB>I have a top cover for what I thought was for a BJ8.&nbsp; I=
 have no stick and no bushings - just the bare cover.&nbsp; I has the roll =
pins in place. &nbsp; Does this mean it is for a BJ7 and not a BJ8?<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>And if=
 it came from a BJ7 can it still be used on a BJ8 transmission assuming one=
 could find the proper stick and bushing?&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
/div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Thanks,&nbsp; Richard<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div id=
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 23:25:25 -0000

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With Harold=E2=80=99s brass bush measurements in hand, I went out to the =
garage and measured a nylon bush from a spare BJ8 gearbox top cover that =
has a 22B casting number and the threaded pin type =
=E2=80=98stick=E2=80=99 retainers.  This bush is nominally .742 in =
diameter, so the lever / bush assemblies themselves will not interchange =
=E2=80=93 the holes different sizes - the socket piece is a different =
part #.

=20

I believe that the whole top cover assembly will interchange on the =
gearbox case.

=20

The original parts list indicates that there were approx. 18 early BJ8 =
gearboxes that were either BJ7, or had BJ7 top covers installed, or =
possibly were true BJ8 gearboxes with roll pins.  It=E2=80=99s possible =
that Simon=E2=80=99s gold seal replacement is one of these, as anything =
later would have the threaded pins in the turret.=20

>> Or it=E2=80=99s a subtle BMC blend.

To me, it=E2=80=99s much more likely that the rebuilders have fitted a =
replacement nylon bush =E2=80=93 probably from a period MGB =
transmission.  Or possibly have fitted a BJ8 socket piece into the early =
top cover, along with a BJ8 lever and bush.  Simon would have to start =
taking things apart again to find out =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m sure that he =
doesn=E2=80=99t want to do that!

>> The nylon bush that came out is the same as the new from AH Spares ie =
not MGB. And, no, he doesn=E2=80=99t want to take things apart again. =
But, I am getting a new carpet set so will have tunnel cover out. I may =
take it all apart and see what=E2=80=99s what.

I think that the thing to cling to is that it worked for 25++ years even =
though it appears to be wrong somehow. And, of course, it=E2=80=99s =
still working with its roll pins and nylon bush.

I=E2=80=99ll try and get some sense out of all of this. Maybe if/when I =
have the two sticks side by side.

Simon

=20

I have a top shift BT7, and a BJ8 =E2=80=93 and had several others.  =
I=E2=80=99ve never noticed a huge big difference in the way they shift.  =
One should remove the shift lever and clean out the hole and relubricate =
things every decade or so.  I keep the nylon bush lubed the same as the =
brass one. (I should say kept as the BJ8 now has a Smitty 5-speed =
installed).  I suspect that the factory changed to the nylon bush =
because it was likely way cheaper to manufacture.

=20

Earl Kagna

Victoria BC

BJ8, BT7 tri-carb

=20

=20

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked] =
via Healeys
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 10:05 AM
To: [email-masked] =
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks

=20

Simon,

=20

I have two Healey transmissions both in some degree of disassembly. I =
measured the brass bush on both:

=20

Trans 1 =E2=80=93 Side Shift from a BN4   - OD 0.685=E2=80=9D x =
0.49=E2=80=9D H

Trans 2 =E2=80=93 BJ7 Centre Shift with Roll Pins =E2=80=93 OD =
0.675=E2=80=9D x 0.48=E2=80=9D H

=20

The service parts list for both these transmissions lists AEC3520 as the =
BMC part number for the brass bush.

=20

As we all know these bushes fit into a machined socket that is part of =
the gear change mechanism. The bushes are in two haves and held together =
with a circlip. I will suggest that a one piece nylon bush may be =
superior to the original brass if it is the right size to both fit the =
ball at the end of the gear lever and slide freely in the socket. When I =
took apart both these transmissions there was a build up of debris, oil, =
corrosion, etc. in the socket that prevented the bush from moving =
freely. A nylon bush the right size that doesn=E2=80=99t require =
lubrication may give a better feel to the gear shift and not have the =
issues with debris build up in the socket.

=20

=20

Regards,

=20

Harold

=20

=20

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked] =
Healeys
Sent: 03 December 2021 16:38
Subject: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks

=20

=20

=20

Thanks,  Richard

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vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>With Harold=E2=80=99s brass bush measurements in hand, I =
went out to the garage and measured a nylon bush from a spare BJ8 =
gearbox top cover that has a 22B casting number and the threaded pin =
type =E2=80=98stick=E2=80=99 retainers.&nbsp; This bush is nominally =
742 in diameter, so the lever / bush assemblies themselves will not =
interchange =E2=80=93 the holes different sizes - the socket piece is a =
different part #.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I believe that the whole top cover assembly will =
interchange on the gearbox case.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>The original parts list indicates =
that there were approx. 18 early BJ8 gearboxes that were either BJ7, or =
had BJ7 top covers installed, or possibly were true BJ8 gearboxes with =
roll pins.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s possible that Simon=E2=80=99s gold seal =
replacement is one of these, as anything later would have the threaded =
pins in the turret.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>&gt;&gt; Or it=E2=80=99s a subtle =
BMC blend.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US> =
To me, it=E2=80=99s much more likely that the rebuilders have fitted a =
replacement nylon bush =E2=80=93 probably from a period MGB =
transmission.&nbsp; Or possibly have fitted a BJ8 socket piece into the =
early top cover, along with a BJ8 lever and bush.&nbsp; Simon would have =
to start taking things apart again to find out =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m =
sure that he doesn=E2=80=99t want to do that!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>&gt;&gt; The nylon bush that came =
out is the same as the new from AH Spares ie not MGB. And, no, he =
doesn=E2=80=99t want to take things apart again. But, I am getting a new =
carpet set so will have tunnel cover out. I may take it all apart and =
see what=E2=80=99s what.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I think that the thing to cling to is that it worked for =
25++ years even though it appears to be wrong somehow. And, of course, =
it=E2=80=99s still working with its roll pins and nylon =
bush.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I=E2=80=99ll try and get some sense out of all of this. =
Maybe if/when I have the two sticks side by =
side.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I have a top shift BT7, and a BJ8 =E2=80=93 and had several =
others.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve never noticed a huge big difference in the =
way they shift.&nbsp; One should remove the shift lever and clean out =
the hole and relubricate things every decade or so.&nbsp; I keep the =
nylon bush lubed the same as the brass one. (I should say kept as the =
BJ8 now has a Smitty 5-speed installed).&nbsp; I suspect that the =
factory changed to the nylon bush because it was likely way cheaper to =
manufacture.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Earl Kagna<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Victoria BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>BJ8, BT7 tri-carb<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harold Manifold via =
Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 3, 2021 10:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a>; richard mayor &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Cc:</b> Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Center change gear =
sticks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Simon,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I have two Healey transmissions both in some degree of =
disassembly. I measured the brass bush on both:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Trans 1 =E2=80=93 Side Shift from a =
BN4&nbsp;&nbsp; - OD 0.685=E2=80=9D x 0.49=E2=80=9D =
H<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Trans 2 =
=E2=80=93 BJ7 Centre Shift with Roll Pins =E2=80=93 OD 0.675=E2=80=9D x =
0.48=E2=80=9D H<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>The service parts list for both these transmissions lists =
AEC3520 as the BMC part number for the brass =
bush.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>As we all know these bushes fit into a machined socket that =
is part of the gear change mechanism. The bushes are in two haves and =
held together with a circlip. I will suggest that a one piece nylon bush =
may be superior to the original brass if it is the right size to both =
fit the ball at the end of the gear lever and slide freely in the =
socket. When I took apart both these transmissions there was a build up =
of debris, oil, corrosion, etc. in the socket that prevented the bush =
from moving freely. A nylon bush the right size that doesn=E2=80=99t =
require lubrication may give a better feel to the gear shift and not =
have the issues with debris build up in the =
socket.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>What are the dimensions of the replacement nylon =
bush?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Harold<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From: =
</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Simon Lachlan via =
Healeys</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, December 3, 2021 9:03 AM<br><b>To: =
</b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">richard mayor</a><br><b>Cc: =
</b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Healeys</a><br><b>Subject: =
</b>Re: [Healeys] Center change gear =
sticks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Well, who =
knows? I have a MkII which has had the roll pins (BT7, BN7 &amp; BJ7) =
and the nylon bush (BJ8) for the last 25++ years. And which worked =
fine.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>When I asked AHSpares for a new =
bush, this one having been there for 25++ years, they sent me a nylon =
one.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yours confused of Bradninch. =
(aka Simon).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>richard mayor via =
Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> 03 December 2021 16:38<br><b>To:</b> healeys =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Center change gear =
sticks</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
have a top cover for what I thought was for a BJ8.&nbsp; I have no stick =
and no bushings - just the bare cover.&nbsp; I has the roll pins in =
place. &nbsp; Does this mean it is for a BJ7 and not a =
BJ8?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>And if it came from a BJ7 can it still be used on a =
BJ8 transmission assuming one could find the proper stick and =
bushing?&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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