Subject: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks

From: richard mayor via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 08:38:06 -0800

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I have a top cover for what I thought was for a BJ8.  I have no stick and
no bushings - just the bare cover.  I has the roll pins in place.   Does
this mean it is for a BJ7 and not a BJ8?

And if it came from a BJ7 can it still be used on a BJ8 transmission
assuming one could find the proper stick and bushing?

Thanks,  Richard

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I have a top cover for what I thought was for a BJ8.=
=C2=A0 I have no stick and no bushings - just the bare cover.=C2=A0 I has t=
he roll pins in place. =C2=A0 Does this mean it is for a BJ7 and not a BJ8?=
</div><div><br></div><div>And if it came from a BJ7 can it still be used on=
 a BJ8 transmission assuming one could find the proper stick and bushing?=
=C2=A0 <br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,=C2=A0 Richard<br></div></div>

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From: Henry G Leach via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2021 18:15:16 +0000 Nssb4z4VeGDopOwve2atujo9DDimBglj3ZuEi2cqpNxYVKEJohLOId58eOutG9GAK9YCgCbgZWATpG+Kh7XaCHZOUHD2RVrsk1k=

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BOTH BJ7 AND BJ8 TRANSMISSIONS USE THE SAME ROLL PINS, AEA558 (2 ea.).=
=0ABut only the BJ7 MKII box uses the brass bush with circlip. You must=
=0Ause the correct stick depending on which bushing you are using in the=
=0Aproper tower. See previous note to Simon with stick part numbers-ther=
e=0Awere three different ones. Somehow OD is also a factor for correct=
=0Afit. Hank=0A=0A=09-----------------------------------------From: "ric=
hard mayor via=0AHealeys" =0ATo: "healeys"=0ACc: =0ASent: Friday Decembe=
r 3 2021 8:39:51AM=0ASubject: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks=0A=0A=
  I have a top cover for what I thought was for a BJ8. I have no stick=
=0Aand no bushings - just the bare cover. I has the roll pins in place.=
=0ADoes this mean it is for a BJ7 and not a BJ8? =0A And if it came from=
 a BJ7 can it still be used on a BJ8 transmission=0Aassuming one could f=
ind the proper stick and bushing? =0A=0A Thanks, Richard=0A

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<html><body>Both BJ7 and BJ8 transmissions use the <b>same roll pins,</b=
> AEA558 (2 ea.). But only the BJ7 MKII box uses the brass bush with cir=
clip. You must use the correct stick depending on which bushing you are=
 using in the proper tower. See previous note to Simon with stick part n=
umbers-there were three different ones. Somehow OD is also a factor for=
 correct fit. Hank<br><br><div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>--=
---------------------------------------</p>From: "richard mayor via Heal=
eys" <[email-masked]><br>To: "healeys"<br>Cc: <br>Sent: Friday D=
ecember 3 2021 8:39:51AM<br>Subject: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks=
<br><br>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">=0A<div>I have a top cover for what I though=
t was for a BJ8.&nbsp; I=0Ahave no stick and no bushings - just the bare=
 cover.&nbsp; I has=0Athe roll pins in place. &nbsp; Does this mean it i=
s for a BJ7 and=0Anot a BJ8?</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>And if it ca=
me from a BJ7 can it still be used on a BJ8=0Atransmission assuming one=
 could find the proper stick and=0Abushing?&nbsp;<br></div>=0A<div><br><=
/div>=0A<div>Thanks,&nbsp; Richard<br></div>=0A</div>=0A</healeys@autox.=
team.net></body></html>

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From: Henry G Leach via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2021 18:18:45 +0000 fJnW8DUH+QRBkZuw1JqM0x0+aJZgKlltb2EzIlpAN+IcuNq60NJiuEommwZyucSos+QmataXBzBNjPJlWDJQ6hJM9/4Q1R580AwpP7OtzakbElMziQzgd+lh ExCAIVO27mx6HPZWuof0hu3yUNoM/mTS56RzeV6Y4iRYCgAs27j5sxVeejtFSDIs

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My understanding is that BMC went to the nylon bush, as it was=0A"quiete=
r" in use. Still makes noise if you rest you hand on the=0Ashifter. Hank=
=0A=0A=09-----------------------------------------From: "Harold Manifold=
 via=0AHealeys" =0ATo: "[email-masked]", "richard may=
or"=0ACc: "Healeys"=0ASent: Friday December 3 2021 10:06:51AM=0ASubject:=
 Re: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks=0A=0A=09Simon, =0A=0A=09I have=
 two Healey transmissions both in some degree of disassembly. I=0Ameasur=
ed the brass bush on both: =0A=0A=09Trans 1 =E2=80=93 Side Shift from a=
 BN4 - OD 0.685=E2=80=9D x 0.49=E2=80=9D H =0A=0A=09Trans 2 =E2=80=93 BJ=
7 Centre Shift with Roll Pins =E2=80=93 OD 0.675=E2=80=9D x 0.48=E2=80=
=9D=0AH =0A=0A=09The service parts list for both these transmissions lis=
ts AEC3520 as=0Athe BMC part number for the brass bush. =0A=0A=09As we a=
ll know these bushes fit into a machined socket that is part=0Aof the ge=
ar change mechanism. The bushes are in two haves and held=0Atogether wit=
h a circlip. I will suggest that a one piece nylon bush=0Amay be superio=
r to the original brass if it is the right size to both=0Afit the ball a=
t the end of the gear lever and slide freely in the=0Asocket. When I too=
k apart both these transmissions there was a build=0Aup of debris, oil,=
 corrosion, etc. in the socket that prevented the=0Abush from moving fre=
ely. A nylon bush the right size that doesn=E2=80=99t=0Arequire lubricat=
ion may give a better feel to the gear shift and not=0Ahave the issues w=
ith debris build up in the socket. =0A=0A=09What are the dimensions of t=
he replacement nylon bush? =0A=0A=09Regards, =0A=0A=09Harold =0A=0A=09FR=
OM: Simon Lachlan via Healeys=0ASENT: Friday, December 3, 2021 9:03 AM=
=0ATO: richard mayor=0ACC: Healeys=0ASUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] Center chang=
e gear sticks  =0A=0A=09Well, who knows? I have a MkII which has had the=
 roll pins (BT7, BN7=0A& BJ7) and the nylon bush (BJ8) for the last 25++=
 years. And which=0Aworked fine. =0A=0A=09When I asked AHSpares for a ne=
w bush, this one having been there for=0A25++ years, they sent me a nylo=
n one. =0A=0A=09Yours confused of Bradninch. (aka Simon). =0A=0A=09FROM:=
 Healeys  ON BEHALF OF richard mayor via Healeys=0ASENT: 03 December 202=
1 16:38=0ATO: healeys =0ASUBJECT: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks=
 =0A=0A=09I have a top cover for what I thought was for a BJ8. I have no=
 stick=0Aand no bushings - just the bare cover. I has the roll pins in p=
lace.=0ADoes this mean it is for a BJ7 and not a BJ8?   =0A=0A=09And if=
 it came from a BJ7 can it still be used on a BJ8 transmission=0Aassumin=
g one could find the proper stick and bushing?    =0A=0A=09Thanks, Richa=
rd =0A=0A=09

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<html><body>My understanding is that BMC went to the nylon bush, as it w=
as "quieter" in use. Still makes noise if you rest you hand on the shift=
er. Hank<br><br><div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>------------=
-----------------------------</p>From: "Harold Manifold via Healeys" <he=
[email-masked]><br>To: "[email-masked]", "richa=
rd mayor"<br>Cc: "Healeys"<br>Sent: Friday December 3 2021 10:06:51AM<br=
>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks<br><br>=0A<div class=
=3D"WordSection1">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon,</p>=0A<p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have two Healey transmissi=
ons both in some=0Adegree of disassembly. I measured the brass bush on b=
oth:</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tr=
ans 1 =E2=80=93 Side Shift from a BN4&nbsp;&nbsp; -=0AOD 0.685=E2=80=9D=
 x 0.49=E2=80=9D H</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Trans 2 =E2=80=93 BJ7 Ce=
ntre Shift with Roll Pins =E2=80=93 OD=0A0.675=E2=80=9D x 0.48=E2=80=9D=
 H</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The=
 service parts list for both these=0Atransmissions lists AEC3520 as the=
 BMC part number for the brass=0Abush.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbs=
p;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As we all know these bushes fit into a=
=0Amachined socket that is part of the gear change mechanism. The=0Abush=
es are in two haves and held together with a circlip. I will=0Asuggest t=
hat a one piece nylon bush may be superior to the original=0Abrass if it=
 is the right size to both fit the ball at the end of=0Athe gear lever a=
nd slide freely in the socket. When I took apart=0Aboth these transmissi=
ons there was a build up of debris, oil,=0Acorrosion, etc. in the socket=
 that prevented the bush from moving=0Afreely. A nylon bush the right si=
ze that doesn=E2=80=99t require=0Alubrication may give a better feel to=
 the gear shift and not have=0Athe issues with debris build up in the so=
cket.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">W=
hat are the dimensions of the replacement=0Anylon bush?</p>=0A<p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,</p>=0A<p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Harold</p>=0A<p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid=
 #E1E1E1 1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in 0in;">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"border:none;padding:0in;"><b>From:</b>=0A<a>Simon Lachlan via=0AHeal=
eys</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 3, 2021 9:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> <=
a>richard=0Amayor</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a>Healeys</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re=
: [Healeys] Center change gear sticks</p>=0A</div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">Well, who k=
nows? I have a=0AMkII which has had the roll pins (BT7, BN7 &amp; BJ7) a=
nd the nylon=0Abush (BJ8) for the last 25++ years. And which worked=0Afi=
ne.</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">When I aske=
d AHSpares for a=0Anew bush, this one having been there for 25++ years,=
 they sent me a=0Anylon one.</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"en-gb">Yours confused of=0ABradninch. (aka Simon).</span></p>=0A<=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys=0A&lt;[email-masked]=
&gt; <b>On Behalf Of</b> richard=0Amayor via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> 03=
 December 2021 16:38<br><b>To:</b> healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt=
;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Center change gear sticks</p>=0A<p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">I have a top cover for what=
=0AI thought was for a BJ8.&nbsp; I have no stick and no bushings -=0Aju=
st the bare cover.&nbsp; I has the roll pins in place. &nbsp;=0ADoes thi=
s mean it is for a BJ7 and not a BJ8?</span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A</div>=0A<di=
v>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">And if it came from a B=
J7=0Acan it still be used on a BJ8 transmission assuming one could find=
=0Athe proper stick and bushing?&nbsp;</span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">&nbsp;</span></p>=0A</div>=0A<=
/div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"en-gb">Thanks,&nbsp;=0ARich=
ard</span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A</div>=0A</healeys@=
autox.team.net></body></html>

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From: Deejay2650 via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 11:25:23 +1100

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I have a '67 BJ8 (build date late April / early May '67) that has the *roll
pins* fitted, so I hope that answers that question.
Cheers from down-under,
Darryl

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<div dir="ltr"><div>I have a &#39;67 BJ8 (build date late April / early May &#39;67) that has the <b>roll pins</b> fitted, so I hope that answers that question.</div><div>Cheers from down-under,</div><div>Darryl<br></div></div>

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From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 18:01:26 -0800

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My '1967' BJ8 was built in Nov. of '66. It has the threaded retaining 
pins (don't know what they're called exactly). Seems to me roll pins 
would be a PITA to remove, and R&R'ing them a bunch of times might hog 
out the holes.

Is it possible your top cover was from an earlier car. Mine has a 'new' 
top cover because a really stupid chump* managed to fracture the 
original. The replacement had provision for the screws, thankfully.

Bob

* me

On 12/3/2021 4:25 PM, Deejay2650 via Healeys wrote:
> I have a '67 BJ8 (build date late April / early May '67) that has the 
> *roll pins* fitted, so I hope that answers that question.
> Cheers from down-under,
> Darryl
>

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    My '1967' BJ8 was built in Nov. of '66. It has the threaded
    retaining pins (don't know what they're called exactly). Seems to me
    roll pins would be a PITA to remove, and R&amp;R'ing them a bunch of
    times might hog out the holes.<br>
    <br>
    Is it possible your top cover was from an earlier car. Mine has a
    'new' top cover because a really stupid chump* managed to fracture
    the original. The replacement had provision for the screws,
    thankfully.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    * me<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/3/2021 4:25 PM, Deejay2650 via
      Healeys wrote:<br>
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        <div>I have a '67 BJ8 (build date late April / early May '67)
          that has the <b>roll pins</b> fitted, so I hope that answers
          that question.</div>
        <div>Cheers from down-under,</div>
        <div>Darryl<br>
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