Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 or BN2

From: "sentenac.rw--- via Healeys" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2021 16:55:50 -0700

Lots of things can happen.  I had a new BN2 in 1956.  A friend
accidentally backed into it denting the left rear fender.  I took it
to the dealer to get it fixed.  They were out of swedged rear fenders
and so they put an unswedged fender on the car.  If my Healey is still
in existence it probably has one swedged and one unswedged rear
fender.

-Roland

On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 22:55:35 +0000, you wrote:

>Original alloy fenders were mounted until gone; then they applied
>steel rear wings w/o a swedge line and they got mounted until they
>were all gone; then they started using the "new" swedged wings.
>Donald Healey requested in 1953 that the doors and wings be made of
>steel, as the delivered cars were showing up damaged. (dock workers
>with big boots) It took some time to get these into production, and no
>one kept of record of when they changed over. Such is history. Hank
>
>	-----------------------------------------From: "healeyguy--- via
>Healeys" 
>To: "[email-masked]"
>Cc: "[email-masked]"
>Sent: Sunday August 8 2021 3:23:02PM
>Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 or BN2
>
>  Car # 228086, built 23Aug1955 as a BN2, does not have the body line
>(swedge line) behind the rear tires. Perry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Oritt via Healeys 
> To: Brian Drab 
> Cc: [email-masked] 
> Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2021 5:34 pm
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 or BN2
>
>     Brian--  
>  My 12/54 car #222333 is definitely a BN1 so if the s/n you have is
>accurate it should unquestionably be a BN1.  There are a number of
>points of differentiation between the two models, some of which would
>be rather expensive to fudge from an earlier BN1 to a BN2--is there a
>swedge line in the rear fenders?  
>  Best--Michael Oritt   
>   On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 4:27 PM Brian Drab via Healeys  wrote:
>    Further to the questions on the disc brake conversion, there is
>now a bit of confusion about what model this 100 is. The VIN appears
>to be B222066. The question is – is it a BN1 or a BN2. Unfortunately
>there have been some modifications to the car in it’s earlier years
>which really cloud it’s true model.  Brian Drab Vancouver  
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From: Michael Oritt via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 06:54:11 -0400

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Roland--

As with sideburns, one cannot see both fenders at the same time so I see no
reason why their being different would matter!

Best--Michael Oritt

On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 7:56 PM sentenac.rw--- via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> >to be B222066. The question is =E2=80=93 is it a BN1 or a BN2. Unfortuna=
tely
> >there have been some modifications to the car in it=E2=80=99s earlier ye=
ars
> >which really cloud it=E2=80=99s true model.  Brian Drab Vancouver
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Rolan=
d--</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">As with sideburns, one ca=
nnot see both fenders at the same time so I see no reason why their being d=
ifferent would matter!</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#33=
33ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--=
Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 7:56 PM sentenac.rw--- via Healey=
s &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Lots =
of things can happen.=C2=A0 I had a new BN2 in 1956.=C2=A0 A friend<br>
accidentally backed into it denting the left rear fender.=C2=A0 I took it<b=
r>
to the dealer to get it fixed.=C2=A0 They were out of swedged rear fenders<=
br>
and so they put an unswedged fender on the car.=C2=A0 If my Healey is still=
<br>
in existence it probably has one swedged and one unswedged rear<br>
fender.<br>
<br>
-Roland<br>
<br>
On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 22:55:35 +0000, you wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;Original alloy fenders were mounted until gone; then they applied<br>
&gt;steel rear wings w/o a swedge line and they got mounted until they<br>
&gt;were all gone; then they started using the &quot;new&quot; swedged wing=
s.<br>
&gt;Donald Healey requested in 1953 that the doors and wings be made of<br>
&gt;steel, as the delivered cars were showing up damaged. (dock workers<br>
&gt;with big boots) It took some time to get these into production, and no<=
br>
&gt;one kept of record of when they changed over. Such is history. Hank<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-----------------------------------------Fro=
m: &quot;healeyguy--- via<br>
&gt;Healeys&quot; <br>
&gt;To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">h=
[email-masked]</a>&quot;<br>
&gt;Cc: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">h=
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&gt;Sent: Sunday August 8 2021 3:23:02PM<br>
&gt;Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 or BN2<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 Car # 228086, built 23Aug1955 as a BN2, does not have the body l=
ine<br>
&gt;(swedge line) behind the rear tires. Perry<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Michael Oritt via Healeys <br>
&gt; To: Brian Drab <br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healey=
[email-masked]</a> <br>
&gt; Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2021 5:34 pm<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 or BN2<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Brian--=C2=A0 <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 My 12/54 car #222333 is definitely a BN1 so if the s/n you have =
is<br>
&gt;accurate it should unquestionably be a BN1.=C2=A0 There are a number of=
<br>
&gt;points of differentiation between the two models, some of which would<b=
r>
&gt;be rather expensive to fudge from an earlier BN1 to a BN2--is there a<b=
r>
&gt;swedge line in the rear fenders?=C2=A0 <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 Best--Michael Oritt=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 4:27 PM Brian Drab via Healeys=C2=
=A0 wrote:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Further to the questions on the disc brake conversion, th=
ere is<br>
&gt;now a bit of confusion about what model this 100 is. The VIN appears<br=
&gt;to be B222066. The question is =E2=80=93 is it a BN1 or a BN2. Unfortun=
ately<br>
&gt;there have been some modifications to the car in it=E2=80=99s earlier y=
ears<br>
&gt;which really cloud it=E2=80=99s true model.=C2=A0 Brian Drab Vancouver=
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From: Neil Anderson via Healeys <[email-masked]>
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Supposedly, that is what Enzo Ferrari said to people who noticed slight
side to side variations to his car's hand crafted bodies.

Neil Anderson

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 5:54 AM Michael Oritt via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Roland--
>
> As with sideburns, one cannot see both fenders at the same time so I see
> no reason why their being different would matter!
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
>> >to be B222066. The question is =E2=80=93 is it a BN1 or a BN2. Unfortun=
ately
>> >there have been some modifications to the car in it=E2=80=99s earlier y=
ears
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<div dir=3D"auto">Supposedly, that is what Enzo Ferrari said to people who =
noticed slight side to side variations to his car&#39;s hand crafted bodies=
.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Neil Anderson=C2=A0</div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 5:54 AM Michael Oritt via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"color:#3333ff">Roland--</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"co=
lor:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"=
>As with sideburns, one cannot see both fenders at the same time so I see n=
o reason why their being different would matter!</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 7:56 PM=
 sentenac.rw--- via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Lots of things ca=
n happen.=C2=A0 I had a new BN2 in 1956.=C2=A0 A friend<br>
accidentally backed into it denting the left rear fender.=C2=A0 I took it<b=
r>
to the dealer to get it fixed.=C2=A0 They were out of swedged rear fenders<=
br>
and so they put an unswedged fender on the car.=C2=A0 If my Healey is still=
<br>
in existence it probably has one swedged and one unswedged rear<br>
fender.<br>
<br>
-Roland<br>
<br>
On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 22:55:35 +0000, you wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;Original alloy fenders were mounted until gone; then they applied<br>
&gt;steel rear wings w/o a swedge line and they got mounted until they<br>
&gt;were all gone; then they started using the &quot;new&quot; swedged wing=
s.<br>
&gt;Donald Healey requested in 1953 that the doors and wings be made of<br>
&gt;steel, as the delivered cars were showing up damaged. (dock workers<br>
&gt;with big boots) It took some time to get these into production, and no<=
br>
&gt;one kept of record of when they changed over. Such is history. Hank<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-----------------------------------------Fro=
m: &quot;healeyguy--- via<br>
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From: Michael Oritt via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 14:19:31 -0400

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Great minds....

Best--Michael Oritt

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:53 AM Neil Anderson <[email-masked]>
wrote:

>>> >       -----------------------------------------From: "healeyguy--- vi=
a
>>> >to be B222066. The question is =E2=80=93 is it a BN1 or a BN2. Unfortu=
nately
>>> >there have been some modifications to the car in it=E2=80=99s earlier =
years

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Great=
 minds....</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Orit=
t</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:53 AM Neil Anderson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:n=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Supposedly=
, that is what Enzo Ferrari said to people who noticed slight side to side =
variations to his car&#39;s hand crafted bodies.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">Neil Anderson=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 5:54 AM Mi=
chael Oritt via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">Roland--</div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">As with sideburns, one cannot see both fende=
rs at the same time so I see no reason why their being different would matt=
er!</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">Best--Micha=
el Oritt</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 7:56 PM sentenac.rw--- via Healeys &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Lots of things can happen.=C2=A0 I had a new B=
N2 in 1956.=C2=A0 A friend<br>
accidentally backed into it denting the left rear fender.=C2=A0 I took it<b=
r>
to the dealer to get it fixed.=C2=A0 They were out of swedged rear fenders<=
br>
and so they put an unswedged fender on the car.=C2=A0 If my Healey is still=
<br>
in existence it probably has one swedged and one unswedged rear<br>
fender.<br>
<br>
-Roland<br>
<br>
On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 22:55:35 +0000, you wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;Original alloy fenders were mounted until gone; then they applied<br>
&gt;steel rear wings w/o a swedge line and they got mounted until they<br>
&gt;were all gone; then they started using the &quot;new&quot; swedged wing=
s.<br>
&gt;Donald Healey requested in 1953 that the doors and wings be made of<br>
&gt;steel, as the delivered cars were showing up damaged. (dock workers<br>
&gt;with big boots) It took some time to get these into production, and no<=
br>
&gt;one kept of record of when they changed over. Such is history. Hank<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-----------------------------------------Fro=
m: &quot;healeyguy--- via<br>
&gt;Healeys&quot; <br>
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&gt;Sent: Sunday August 8 2021 3:23:02PM<br>
&gt;Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 or BN2<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 Car # 228086, built 23Aug1955 as a BN2, does not have the body l=
ine<br>
&gt;(swedge line) behind the rear tires. Perry<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Michael Oritt via Healeys <br>
&gt; To: Brian Drab <br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> <br>
&gt; Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2021 5:34 pm<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 or BN2<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Brian--=C2=A0 <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 My 12/54 car #222333 is definitely a BN1 so if the s/n you have =
is<br>
&gt;accurate it should unquestionably be a BN1.=C2=A0 There are a number of=
<br>
&gt;points of differentiation between the two models, some of which would<b=
r>
&gt;be rather expensive to fudge from an earlier BN1 to a BN2--is there a<b=
r>
&gt;swedge line in the rear fenders?=C2=A0 <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 Best--Michael Oritt=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 4:27 PM Brian Drab via Healeys=C2=
=A0 wrote:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Further to the questions on the disc brake conversion, th=
ere is<br>
&gt;now a bit of confusion about what model this 100 is. The VIN appears<br=
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