Subject: Re: [Healeys] Which Brake Fluid?

From: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 23:29:48 -0000 MailServer2113B214.10000-Famine2113-0-8b3a711e7ac5

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I'm with everyone else I've read so far; DOT 4. Simple and it works.=0ASte=
ven Kingsbury=0ABN1=0A=0AOn July 23, 2021 at 2:05 PM, Michael MacLean via =
Healeys <[email-masked]> wrote:=0A=0A=0AThe BN2 is at the point wh=
ere it is time to fill and bleed the new brake system.=C2=A0 Now comes the=
 time to decide whether to go with DOT 3/4 brake fluid or try silicone.=C2=
=A0 Any recommendations,=C2=A0 advice or warnings on this decision?=0AMike=
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<html><body><div>I'm with everyone else I've read so far; DOT 4. Simple and it works.<=
/div><div>Steven Kingsbury</div><div>BN1</div><div><br>On July 23, 2021 at=
 2:05 PM, Michael MacLean via Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote=
:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"msg-quote"><di=
v dir=3D"auto">The BN2 is at the point where it is time to fill and bleed =
the new brake system.&nbsp; Now comes the time to decide whether to go wit=
h DOT 3/4 brake fluid or try silicone.&nbsp; Any recommendations,&nbsp; ad=
vice or warnings on this decision?<div dir=3D"auto">Mike MacLean</div></di=
v><div class=3D"_stretch"><span class=3D"body-text-content">______________=
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From: Tom Felts via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 05:28:56 -0400 (EDT)

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I have been using DOT 5 in my BJ8 for years.  Works fine for me.
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From: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <[email-masked]>
To: Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Sent: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 19:29:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Which Brake Fluid?

I'm with everyone else I've read so far; DOT 4. Simple and it works.Steven KingsburyBN1
On July 23, 2021 at 2:05 PM, Michael MacLean via Healeys <[email-masked]> wrote:

The BN2 is at the point where it is time to fill and bleed the new brake system.  Now comes the time to decide whether to go with DOT 3/4 brake fluid or try silicone.  Any recommendations,  advice or warnings on this decision?Mike MacLean_______________________________________________

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<html><head><style> body {height: 100%; color:#000000; font-size:12pt; font=
-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;}</style></head><body><div>I have been=
 using DOT 5 in my BJ8 for years.&nbsp; Works fine for me.</div><div><br></=
div><div>----- Original Message -----<br>From: Steven Kingsbury via Healeys=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: Michael MacLean &lt;springer.mike51@=
gmail.com&gt;<br>Cc: [email-masked]<br>Sent: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 19:29=
:48 -0400 (EDT)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Which Brake Fluid?<br></div><div>=
<br></div><div>I'm with everyone else I've read so far; DOT 4. Simple and i=
t works.</div><div>Steven Kingsbury</div><div>BN1</div><div><br>On July 23,=
 2021 at 2:05 PM, Michael MacLean via Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt=
; wrote:<br><div><br></div></div><div><blockquote><div class=3D"msg-quote">=
<div dir=3D"auto">The BN2 is at the point where it is time to fill and blee=
d the new brake system.&nbsp; Now comes the time to decide whether to go wi=
th DOT 3/4 brake fluid or try silicone.&nbsp; Any recommendations,&nbsp; ad=
vice or warnings on this decision?<div dir=3D"auto">Mike MacLean</div></div=
><div class=3D"_stretch"><span class=3D"body-text-content"><span class=3D"b=
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From: warthodson--- via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 13:03:25 +0000 (UTC)

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I would like to say a few words on behalf of silicone brake fluid.It is non=
-hygroscopic (does not absorb moisture).It does not damage paint as do glyc=
ol fluids.
A newly rebuilt and scrupulously clean brake system filled with silicone fl=
uid should outlast a system filled with glycol fluid by several times.
The military specifies Silicone brake fluid for a reason.=C2=A0

Gary Hodson

On July 23, 2021 at 2:05 PM, Michael MacLean via Healeys <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:

The BN2 is at the point where it is time to fill and bleed the new brake sy=
stem.=C2=A0 Now comes the time to decide whether to go with DOT 3/4 brake f=
luid or try silicone.=C2=A0 Any recommendations,=C2=A0 advice or warnings o=
n this decision?Mike MacLean

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<div style="color:black;font: 12pt Comic Sans MS, sans-serif;">I would like to say a few words on behalf of silicone brake fluid.
<div>It is non-hygroscopic (does not absorb moisture).</div>

<div><font size="3" style="">It does not damage paint as do glycol fluids.</font><br>
</div>

<div><font size="3">A newly rebuilt and scrupulously clean brake system filled with silicone fluid should outlast a system filled with glycol fluid by several times.<br>
</font></div>

<div>The military specifies Silicone brake fluid for a reason.&nbsp;<br>
<br>
Gary Hodson<br>
<br>

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<div><br clear="none">On July 23, 2021 at 2:05 PM, Michael MacLean via Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>

<div><blockquote type="cite">
<div class="yiv1034049189msg-quote">
<div>The BN2 is at the point where it is time to fill and bleed the new brake system.&nbsp; Now comes the time to decide whether to go with DOT 3/4 brake fluid or try silicone.&nbsp; Any recommendations,&nbsp; advice or warnings on this decision?
<div>Mike MacLean</div>
</div>
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</div>

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From: Michael Oritt via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 09:18:38 -0400

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"The military specifies Silicone brake fluid for a reason"

Not necessarily a good one.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 9:04 AM warthodson--- via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I would like to say a few words on behalf of silicone brake fluid.
> It is non-hygroscopic (does not absorb moisture).
> It does not damage paint as do glycol fluids.
> A newly rebuilt and scrupulously clean brake system filled with silicone
> fluid should outlast a system filled with glycol fluid by several times.
> The military specifies Silicone brake fluid for a reason.
>
> Gary Hodson
>
>
>
> The BN2 is at the point where it is time to fill and bleed the new brake
> system.  Now comes the time to decide whether to go with DOT 3/4 brake
> fluid or try silicone.  Any recommendations,  advice or warnings on this
> decision?
> Mike MacLean
>
>
> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">&quot=
;<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans=
-serif;font-size:16px">The military specifies Silicone brake fluid for a re=
ason&quot;</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"=
><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans=
-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"color:#3333ff"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic =
Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Not necessarily a good one.</span>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><span style=3D"c=
olor:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:=
16px"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"=
><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans=
-serif;font-size:16px">Best--Michael Oritt</span></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 24, 2021=
 at 9:04 AM warthodson--- via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt &quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif">I=
 would like to say a few words on behalf of silicone brake fluid.
<div>It is non-hygroscopic (does not absorb moisture).</div>

<div><font size=3D"3">It does not damage paint as do glycol fluids.</font><=
br>
</div>

<div><font size=3D"3">A newly rebuilt and scrupulously clean brake system f=
illed with silicone fluid should outlast a system filled with glycol fluid =
by several times.<br>
</font></div>

<div>The military specifies Silicone brake fluid for a reason.=C2=A0<br>
<br>
Gary Hodson<br>
<br>

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<div><br clear=3D"none">On July 23, 2021 at 2:05 PM, Michael MacLean via He=
aleys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">heale=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div=

<div><blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>The BN2 is at the point where it is time to fill and bleed the new bra=
ke system.=C2=A0 Now comes the time to decide whether to go with DOT 3/4 br=
ake fluid or try silicone.=C2=A0 Any recommendations,=C2=A0 advice or warni=
ngs on this decision?
<div>Mike MacLean</div>
</div>
</div>
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From: warthodson--- via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 13:38:04 +0000 (UTC)

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You really believe that?

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Oritt <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; springer.mike51@gmail.=
com <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sat, Jul 24, 2021 8:18 am
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Which Brake Fluid?

"The military specifies Silicone brake fluid for a reason"
Not necessarily a good one.
Best--Michael Oritt
On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 9:04 AM warthodson--- via Healeys <[email-masked]=
am.net> wrote:

Gary Hodson

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<div style="color:black;font: 12pt Comic Sans MS, sans-serif;">You really believe that?<br>
<br>

<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Michael Oritt &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked]<br>
Cc: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Sat, Jul 24, 2021 8:18 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Which Brake Fluid?<br>
<br>

<div id="yiv6742701374">
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<div dir="ltr">
<div class="yiv6742701374gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff;">"<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Sans sans-serif;font-size:16px;">The military specifies Silicone brake fluid for a reason"</span></div>

<div class="yiv6742701374gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Sans sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></span></div>

<div class="yiv6742701374gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Sans sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Not necessarily a good one.</span></div>

<div class="yiv6742701374gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Sans sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><br clear="none"></span></div>

<div class="yiv6742701374gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff;"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Sans sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Best--Michael Oritt</span></div>
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<div class="yiv6742701374gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 9:04 AM warthodson--- via Healeys &lt;<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear="none"></div>
<blockquote class="yiv6742701374gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">

<div style="color:black;font:12pt Sans sans-serif;">I would like to say a few words on behalf of silicone brake fluid.

<div><font size="3">It does not damage paint as do glycol fluids.</font><br clear="none">
</div>

<div><font size="3">A newly rebuilt and scrupulously clean brake system filled with silicone fluid should outlast a system filled with glycol fluid by several times.<br clear="none">
</font></div>

<div>The military specifies Silicone brake fluid for a reason.&nbsp;<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Gary Hodson<br clear="none">
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<div><br clear="none">On July 23, 2021 at 2:05 PM, Michael MacLean via Healeys &lt;<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>

<div>

<div>Mike MacLean</div>

</div>

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Michael--

Both have pluses and minuses--I simply feel that DOT 3/4 has more of the
former and fewer of the latter than does silicone, but that's just me.

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iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Both have pluses and min=
uses--I simply feel that DOT 3/4 has more of the former and fewer of the la=
tter than does silicone, but that&#39;s just me.</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 5:04 P=
M Michael MacLean via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
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204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">The BN2 is at the point where it i=
s time to fill and bleed the new brake system.=C2=A0 Now comes the time to =
decide whether to go with DOT 3/4 brake fluid or try silicone.=C2=A0 Any re=
commendations,=C2=A0 advice or warnings on this decision?<div dir=3D"auto">=
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The military uses silicone because some military vehicles sit for long
periods of time when not in use..... waiting for that day when they need to
spring into action.   Silicone fluid is not the best performance wise but
because it does not accumulate moisture over time, it is best for military
vehicles that sit unused for long periods of time.

FWIW, I was in the military and I use DOT 3

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The military uses silicone because some military vehi=
cles sit for long periods of time when not in use..... waiting for that day=
 when they need to spring into action. =C2=A0 Silicone fluid is not the bes=
t performance wise but because it does not accumulate moisture over time, i=
t is best for military vehicles that sit unused for long periods of time. <=
br></div><div><br></div><div>FWIW, I was in the military and I use DOT 3<br=
></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 6:19 AM Michael Oritt via Hea=
leys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">=
&quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;=
,sans-serif;font-size:16px">The military specifies Silicone brake fluid for=
 a reason&quot;</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb=
(51,51,255)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans M=
S&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-f=
amily:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Not necessarily =
a good one.</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,=
51,255)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
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y:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Best--Michael Oritt<=
/span></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 9:04 AM warthodson--- via Healeys &lt;<=
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:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt &quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif">I=
 would like to say a few words on behalf of silicone brake fluid.
<div>It is non-hygroscopic (does not absorb moisture).</div>

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Well apparently DOT 3/4 is ahead in the poll.  I have used it exclusively
in the Bugeye for over 20 years with no problems.  I was only asking to see
if there was some advantage to using the silicone over synthetic because
the BN2 has a completely new brake system which has never seen any type of
fluid yet.  This would be the time to make that decision.  I  made all the
brake lines, flares and used the original fittings when I restored the
Bugeye and there were no leaks when I filled it.  I feel reasonably sure
there won't be much of a problem with the BN2 in this respect.  So, I am
leaning towards DOT 3/4.  As an interesting aside, the local parts supplier
here in San Bernardino that has been selling British car parts and supplies
recommended Delphi brake fluid.  The low moisture Castrol we were getting
in the past no longer is made.  Today's Castrol brake fluid is made in
India according to the shop owner.  The Delphi brake fluid is supposedly
superior.  What do I know, but I bought it.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Well apparently DOT 3/4 is ahead in the poll.=C2=A0 I=
 have used it exclusively in the Bugeye for over 20 years with no problems.=
=C2=A0 I was only asking to see if there was some advantage to using the si=
licone over synthetic because the BN2 has a completely new brake system whi=
ch has never seen any type of fluid yet.=C2=A0 This would be the time to ma=
ke that decision.=C2=A0 I=C2=A0 made all the brake lines, flares and used t=
he original fittings when I restored the Bugeye and there were no leaks whe=
n I filled it.=C2=A0 I feel reasonably sure there won&#39;t be much of a pr=
oblem with the BN2 in this respect.=C2=A0 So, I am leaning towards DOT 3/4.=
=C2=A0 As an interesting aside, the local parts supplier here in San Bernar=
dino that has been selling British car parts and supplies recommended Delph=
i brake fluid.=C2=A0 The low moisture Castrol we were getting in the past n=
o longer is made.=C2=A0 Today&#39;s Castrol brake fluid is made in India ac=
cording to the shop owner.=C2=A0 The Delphi brake fluid is supposedly super=
ior.=C2=A0 What do I know, but I bought it.<br></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 24, 2021=
 at 3:15 PM richard mayor via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The military uses si=
licone because some military vehicles sit for long periods of time when not=
 in use..... waiting for that day when they need to spring into action. =C2=
=A0 Silicone fluid is not the best performance wise but because it does not=
 accumulate moisture over time, it is best for military vehicles that sit u=
nused for long periods of time. <br></div><div><br></div><div>FWIW, I was i=
n the military and I use DOT 3<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 24, 2021=
 at 6:19 AM Michael Oritt via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">&quot;<span style=3D"col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16=
px">The military specifies Silicone brake fluid for a reason&quot;</span></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-=
size:16px"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb=
(51,51,255)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans M=
S&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Not necessarily a good one.</span></div>=
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51,255)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Best--Michael Oritt</span></div></div><br><d=
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24, 2021 at 9:04 AM warthodson--- via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys=
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<div style=3D"color:black;font:12pt &quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif">I=
 would like to say a few words on behalf of silicone brake fluid.
<div>It is non-hygroscopic (does not absorb moisture).</div>

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FWIW, I've had DoT5 in my BJ8 for nearly 30 years with no issues, 
including bleeding. My dad put Lockheed DoT4 in our BN2--a complete new 
system--and it gelled when the car sat for a couple years. I tried 
Petrosin--BMW's bespoke brand--and several seals failed, with a 
crystalline residue, after just a few years. There was a thread on the 
BCF a while back on owners having failures with DoT3/4. Tom Monaco 
strongly recommends Castrol DoT4 'synthetic*' but, so far, I haven't 
been able to get a good pedal with it (I'm not blaming the fluid). Note 
DoT5 is not hygroscopic, but does need to be flushed occasionally since 
any water will pool and settle in low points.

* Some brands of BF are now calling their product 'synthetic,' which is 
odd since, AFAIK, no BF is made from naturally occurring compounds. I 
suspect this is marketing, to ride on the popularity of synthetic motor oil.

On 7/24/2021 3:15 PM, richard mayor via Healeys wrote:
> periods of time when not in use..... waiting for that day when they 
> need to spring into action.   Silicone fluid is not the best 
> performance wise but because it does not accumulate moisture over 
> time, it is best for military vehicles that sit unused for long 
> periods of time.
>
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 6:19 AM Michael Oritt via Healeys 
>
>     On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 9:04 AM warthodson--- via Healeys
>
>         A newly rebuilt and scrupulously clean brake system filled
>         with silicone fluid should outlast a system filled with glycol
>         fluid by several times.
>         On July 23, 2021 at 2:05 PM, Michael MacLean via Healeys
>
>>         The BN2 is at the point where it is time to fill and bleed
>>         the new brake system.  Now comes the time to decide whether
>>         to go with DOT 3/4 brake fluid or try silicone.  Any
>>         recommendations,  advice or warnings on this decision?
>>         Mike MacLean
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    FWIW, I've had DoT5 in my BJ8 for nearly 30 years with no issues,
    including bleeding. My dad put Lockheed DoT4 in our BN2--a complete
    new system--and it gelled when the car sat for a couple years. I
    tried Petrosin--BMW's bespoke brand--and several seals failed, with
    a crystalline residue, after just a few years. There was a thread on
    the BCF a while back on owners having failures with DoT3/4. Tom
    Monaco strongly recommends Castrol DoT4 'synthetic*' but, so far, I
    haven't been able to get a good pedal with it (I'm not blaming the
    fluid). Note DoT5 is not hygroscopic, but does need to be flushed
    occasionally since any water will pool and settle in low points.<br>
    <br>
    * Some brands of BF are now calling their product 'synthetic,' which
    is odd since, AFAIK, no BF is made from naturally occurring
    compounds. I suspect this is marketing, to ride on the popularity of
    synthetic motor oil.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/24/2021 3:15 PM, richard mayor via
      Healeys wrote:<br>
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        <div>The military uses silicone because some military vehicles
          sit for long periods of time when not in use..... waiting for
          that day when they need to spring into action.   Silicone
          fluid is not the best performance wise but because it does not
          accumulate moisture over time, it is best for military
          vehicles that sit unused for long periods of time. <br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>FWIW, I was in the military and I use DOT 3<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
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      <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 6:19
          AM Michael Oritt via Healeys &lt;<a
            href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div dir="ltr">
            <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">"<span
                style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px">The military
                specifies Silicone brake fluid for a reason"</span></div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><span
                style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br>
              </span></div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><span
                style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Not necessarily a
                good one.</span></div>
            <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><span
                style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br>
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                style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
                MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Best--Michael Oritt</span></div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at
              9:04 AM warthodson--- via Healeys &lt;<a
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              wrote:<br>
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              <div style="color:black;font:12pt &quot;Comic Sans
                MS&quot;,sans-serif">I would like to say a few words on
                behalf of silicone brake fluid.
                <div>It is non-hygroscopic (does not absorb moisture).</div>
                <div><font size="3">It does not damage paint as do
                    glycol fluids.</font><br>
                </div>
                <div><font size="3">A newly rebuilt and scrupulously
                    clean brake system filled with silicone fluid should
                    outlast a system filled with glycol fluid by several
                    times.<br>
                  </font></div>
                <div>The military specifies Silicone brake fluid for a
                  reason. <br>
                  <br>
                  Gary Hodson<br>
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                                  <div>The BN2 is at the point where it
                                    is time to fill and bleed the new
                                    brake system.  Now comes the time to
                                    decide whether to go with DOT 3/4
                                    brake fluid or try silicone.  Any
                                    recommendations,  advice or warnings
                                    on this decision?
                                    <div>Mike MacLean</div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
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