Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head gasket

From: Jean Caron <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 19:19:49 +0000

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ARP makes high strength studs but they do not make any specifically for the=
 Austin-Healey, they are adapted from some other models. When I rebuilt my =
engine in my 100-6, that if the studs were not stretched or damaged, to jus=
t reuse them, if used for normal usage. But I used new high strength nuts. =
I cannot recall where I got my head gasket.

Jean

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Sent: February 9, 2021 11:49 AM
Subject: [Healeys] Head gasket

Listers,

I am thoroughly confused and baffled and I need help.

I need to replace the head gasket on my 66 BJ8.  Moss shows three different=
 gaskets ranging from $49 to $229.  Moss shows a $64 complete kit for all g=
askets including the head gasket.  Moss shows short head studs vs long head=
 studs and they show a "High Strength Head Stud Set" ranging in price from =
$8.99 each to $229.99 for the "Set".

I have read (on the Moss site) that ARP makes the high strength stud.  ARP =
has asked me for the length of the stud, the diameter of the stud and the t=
hread size.  I have also read that Summit sells the studs and they are aski=
ng me the same questions as ARP.

So, the questions are what is the info on the stud sizes, high strength vs =
regular strength (same for the nuts and washers), long or short studs, who =
to buy from, who is the source for the best head gasket (what thickness) an=
d what else do I need to know.  The manual says 75 ft lbs of final torque i=
n three stages.  Should I be a bit more than that or stick with the book?

As you can see, I really need expert advice before I screw things up.  I do=
 not race the car so it is stock.

Thanks for the help,

Fred

66 BJ8

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ARP makes high strength studs but they do not make a=
ny specifically for the Austin-Healey, they are adapted from some other mod=
els. When I rebuilt my engine in my 100-6, that if the studs were not stret=
ched or damaged, to just reuse them,
 if used for normal usage. But I used new high strength nuts. I cannot reca=
ll where I got my head gasket.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jean</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0cm"><b>From: </b><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Fred Wescoe</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>February 9, 2021 11:49 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">healeys</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Healeys] Head gasket</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Listers,&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am thoroughly&nbsp;confused and baffled and I need=
 help.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I need to replace the head gasket on my 66 BJ8.&nbsp=
; Moss shows three different gaskets ranging from $49 to $229.&nbsp; Moss s=
hows a $64 complete kit for all gaskets including the head gasket.&nbsp; Mo=
ss shows short head studs vs long head studs and
 they show a &quot;High Strength Head Stud Set&quot; ranging in price from =
$8.99 each to $229.99 for the &quot;Set&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have read (on the Moss site) that ARP makes the hi=
gh strength stud.&nbsp; ARP has asked me for the length of the stud, the di=
ameter of the stud and the thread size.&nbsp; I have also&nbsp;read that Su=
mmit sells the studs and they are asking me the same
 questions as ARP.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So, the questions&nbsp;are what is the info on the s=
tud sizes, high strength vs regular strength (same for the nuts and washers=
), long or short studs, who to buy from, who is the source for the best hea=
d gasket (what thickness) and what else
 do I need to know.&nbsp; The manual says 75 ft lbs of final torque in thre=
e stages.&nbsp; Should I be a bit more than that or stick with the book?&nb=
sp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As you can see, I really need expert advice before I=
 screw things up.&nbsp; I do not&nbsp;race the car so it is stock.<o:p></o:=
p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for the help,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fred<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">66 BJ8<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Mark Fawcett <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 11:35:00 -0800

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From: Mark Fawcett <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head gasket
To: Fred Wescoe <[email-masked]>

Fred,
I can only tell you what I did when I rebuilt my engine 20 years ago. I
used the gasket set that was the $64 and I used the original existing
studs. I did not over torque the head nuts. The motor is still together and
running fine. I'm sure that many would replace the studs, and I did
consider it, but in the end I did not.

Good luck

Mark Fawcett

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 9:49 AM Fred Wescoe <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I need to replace the head gasket on my 66 BJ8.  Moss shows three
> different gaskets ranging from $49 to $229.  Moss shows a $64 complete kit
> for all gaskets including the head gasket.  Moss shows short head studs vs
> long head studs and they show a "High Strength Head Stud Set" ranging in
> price from $8.99 each to $229.99 for the "Set".
>
> I have read (on the Moss site) that ARP makes the high strength stud.  ARP
> has asked me for the length of the stud, the diameter of the stud and the
> thread size.  I have also read that Summit sells the studs and they are
> asking me the same questions as ARP.
>
> So, the questions are what is the info on the stud sizes, high strength vs
> regular strength (same for the nuts and washers), long or short studs, who
> to buy from, who is the source for the best head gasket (what thickness)
> and what else do I need to know.  The manual says 75 ft lbs of final torque
> in three stages.  Should I be a bit more than that or stick with the book?
>
> As you can see, I really need expert advice before I screw things up.  I
> do not race the car so it is stock.
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
> Fred
>
> 66 BJ8
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong cla=
ss=3D"gmail_sendername" dir=3D"auto">Mark Fawcett</strong> <span dir=3D"aut=
o">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span=
><br>Date: Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:40 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head gask=
et<br>To: Fred Wescoe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fredwesco=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Fred,<div>I can only =
tell you what I did when I rebuilt my engine 20 years ago. I used the gaske=
t set that was the $64 and I used the original existing studs. I did not ov=
er torque the head nuts. The motor is still together and running fine. I&#3=
9;m sure that many would replace the studs, and I did consider it, but in t=
he end I did not.</div><div><br></div><div>Good luck</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Mark Fawcett</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 9:49 AM Fred Wescoe &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Listers,=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I am thoroughly=C2=A0c=
onfused and baffled and I need help.</div><div><br></div><div>I need to rep=
lace the head gasket on my 66 BJ8.=C2=A0 Moss shows three different gaskets=
 ranging from $49 to $229.=C2=A0 Moss shows a $64 complete kit for all gask=
ets including the head gasket.=C2=A0 Moss shows short head studs vs long he=
ad studs and they show a &quot;High Strength Head Stud Set&quot; ranging in=
 price from $8.99 each to $229.99 for the &quot;Set&quot;.</div><div><br></=
div><div>I have read (on the Moss site) that ARP makes the high strength st=
ud.=C2=A0 ARP has asked me for the length of the stud, the diameter of the =
stud and the thread size.=C2=A0 I have also=C2=A0read that Summit sells the=
 studs and they are asking me the same questions as ARP.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>So, the questions=C2=A0are what is the info on the stud sizes, high =
strength vs regular strength (same for the nuts and washers), long or short=
 studs, who to buy from, who is the source for the best head gasket (what t=
hickness) and what else do I need to know.=C2=A0 The manual says 75 ft lbs =
of final torque in three stages.=C2=A0 Should I be a bit more than that or =
stick with the book?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>As you can see, I=
 really need expert advice before I screw things up.=C2=A0 I do not=C2=A0ra=
ce the car so it is stock.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the help,</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Fred</div><div><br></div><div>66 BJ8</div></div>
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From: Bob Haskell <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 15:54:21 -0500

Somebody please correct me.  For some reason I believe that ARP doesn't 
carry sets of studs for the Austin-Healeys is because an Austin-Healey 
parts supplier worked out an exclusive deal with ARP.  I'm probably way 
out in left field with this...

Cheers,

Bob Haskell
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar

On 2/9/21 12:48 PM, Fred Wescoe wrote:
> different gaskets ranging from $49 to $229.  Moss shows a $64 complete 
> kit for all gaskets including the head gasket. Moss shows short head 
> studs vs long head studs and they show a "High Strength Head Stud Set" 
> ranging in price from $8.99 each to $229.99 for the "Set".
>
> I have read (on the Moss site) that ARP makes the high strength stud.  
> ARP has asked me for the length of the stud, the diameter of the stud 
> and the thread size.  I have also read that Summit sells the studs and 
> they are asking me the same questions as ARP.
>
> So, the questions are what is the info on the stud sizes, high 
> strength vs regular strength (same for the nuts and washers), long or 
> short studs, who to buy from, who is the source for the best head 
> gasket (what thickness) and what else do I need to know.  The manual 
> says 75 ft lbs of final torque in three stages.  Should I be a bit 
> more than that or stick with the book?
>
> As you can see, I really need expert advice before I screw things up.  
> I do not race the car so it is stock.
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
> Fred
>
> 66 BJ8
>
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My experience has been that the original studs and nuts, when installed
correctly, are perfectly adequate unless the engine has been very
significantly modified.

M

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<div dir=3D"auto">My experience has been that the original studs and nuts, =
when installed correctly, are perfectly adequate unless the engine has been=
 very significantly modified.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Tue., Feb. 9, 2021, 12:49 p.m. Fred Wescoe, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Listers,=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div=
><div>I am thoroughly=C2=A0confused and baffled and I need help.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>I need to replace the head gasket on my 66 BJ8.=C2=A0 Moss s=
hows three different gaskets ranging from $49 to $229.=C2=A0 Moss shows a $=
64 complete kit for all gaskets including the head gasket.=C2=A0 Moss shows=
 short head studs vs long head studs and they show a &quot;High Strength He=
ad Stud Set&quot; ranging in price from $8.99 each to $229.99 for the &quot=
;Set&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>I have read (on the Moss site) that AR=
P makes the high strength stud.=C2=A0 ARP has asked me for the length of th=
e stud, the diameter of the stud and the thread size.=C2=A0 I have also=C2=
=A0read that Summit sells the studs and they are asking me the same questio=
ns as ARP.</div><div><br></div><div>So, the questions=C2=A0are what is the =
info on the stud sizes, high strength vs regular strength (same for the nut=
s and washers), long or short studs, who to buy from, who is the source for=
 the best head gasket (what thickness) and what else do I need to know.=C2=
=A0 The manual says 75 ft lbs of final torque in three stages.=C2=A0 Should=
 I be a bit more than that or stick with the book?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><b=
r></div><div>As you can see, I really need expert advice before I screw thi=
ngs up.=C2=A0 I do not=C2=A0race the car so it is stock.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Thanks for the help,</div><div><br></div><div>Fred</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>66 BJ8</div></div>
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From: healeyguy--- via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 22:28:23 +0000 (UTC)

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FredThere are multiple thousands of Austin Healey 6 cylinder cars on the ro=
ad today using Payden original style head gaskets, original studs and nuts,=
 installed to factory specs without having a monumental failure rate.=C2=A0=
If your car is a driver, not a race car, build it accordingly.=C2=A0Perry

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Wescoe <[email-masked]>
To: healeys <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2021 12:48 pm
Subject: [Healeys] Head gasket

Listers,=C2=A0=C2=A0
I am thoroughly=C2=A0confused and baffled and I need help.
I need to replace the head gasket on my 66 BJ8.=C2=A0 Moss shows three diff=
erent gaskets ranging from $49 to $229.=C2=A0 Moss shows a $64 complete kit=
 for all gaskets including the head gasket.=C2=A0 Moss shows short head stu=
ds vs long head studs and they show a "High Strength Head Stud Set" ranging=
 in price from $8.99 each to $229.99 for the "Set".
I have read (on the Moss site) that ARP makes the high strength stud.=C2=A0=
 ARP has asked me for the length of the stud, the diameter of the stud and =
the thread size.=C2=A0 I have also=C2=A0read that Summit sells the studs an=
d they are asking me the same questions as ARP.
So, the questions=C2=A0are what is the info on the stud sizes, high strengt=
h vs regular strength (same for the nuts and washers), long or short studs,=
 who to buy from, who is the source for the best head gasket (what thicknes=
s) and what else do I need to know.=C2=A0 The manual says 75 ft lbs of fina=
l torque in three stages.=C2=A0 Should I be a bit more than that or stick w=
ith the book?=C2=A0=C2=A0
As you can see, I really need expert advice before I screw things up.=C2=A0=
 I do not=C2=A0race the car so it is stock.
Thanks for the help,
Fred
66 BJ8_______________________________________________

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<div>Fred</div>
There are multiple thousands of Austin Healey 6 cylinder cars on the road today using Payden original style head gaskets, original studs and nuts, installed to factory specs without having a monumental failure rate.&nbsp;
<div>If your car is a driver, not a race car, build it accordingly.&nbsp;</div>

<div>Perry<br>
<br>
<br>

<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Fred Wescoe &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2021 12:48 pm<br>
Subject: [Healeys] Head gasket<br>
<br>

<div id="yiv9224472712">
<div dir="ltr">Listers,&nbsp;&nbsp;
<div><br>
</div>

<div>I am thoroughly&nbsp;confused and baffled and I need help.</div>

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<div>I need to replace the head gasket on my 66 BJ8.&nbsp; Moss shows three different gaskets ranging from $49 to $229.&nbsp; Moss shows a $64 complete kit for all gaskets including the head gasket.&nbsp; Moss shows short head studs vs long head studs and they show a "High Strength Head Stud Set" ranging in price from $8.99 each to $229.99 for the "Set".</div>

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<div>I have read (on the Moss site) that ARP makes the high strength stud.&nbsp; ARP has asked me for the length of the stud, the diameter of the stud and the thread size.&nbsp; I have also&nbsp;read that Summit sells the studs and they are asking me the same questions as ARP.</div>

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<div>So, the questions&nbsp;are what is the info on the stud sizes, high strength vs regular strength (same for the nuts and washers), long or short studs, who to buy from, who is the source for the best head gasket (what thickness) and what else do I need to know.&nbsp; The manual says 75 ft lbs of final torque in three stages.&nbsp; Should I be a bit more than that or stick with the book?&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>

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<div>As you can see, I really need expert advice before I screw things up.&nbsp; I do not&nbsp;race the car so it is stock.</div>

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<div>Thanks for the help,</div>

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<div>Fred</div>

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My BJ8 probably has 150K miles on it done this way, never touched the head
after replacing the head gasket in all that time.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 6:36 AM healeyguy--- via Healeys <
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> Fred
> There are multiple thousands of Austin Healey 6 cylinder cars on the road
> today using Payden original style head gaskets, original studs and nuts,
> installed to factory specs without having a monumental failure rate.
> If your car is a driver, not a race car, build it accordingly.
> Perry
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My BJ8 probably has 150K miles on it done this way, never =
touched the head after replacing the head gasket in all that time.</div><br=
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eb 10, 2021 at 6:36 AM healeyguy--- via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:heale=
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<div>Fred</div>
There are multiple thousands of Austin Healey 6 cylinder cars on the road t=
oday using Payden original style head gaskets, original studs and nuts, ins=
talled to factory specs without having a monumental failure rate.=C2=A0
<div>If your car is a driver, not a race car, build it accordingly.=C2=A0</=
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<div>Perry<br>
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<div>I am thoroughly=C2=A0confused and baffled and I need help.</div>

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<div>I need to replace the head gasket on my 66 BJ8.=C2=A0 Moss shows three=
 different gaskets ranging from $49 to $229.=C2=A0 Moss shows a $64 complet=
e kit for all gaskets including the head gasket.=C2=A0 Moss shows short hea=
d studs vs long head studs and they show a &quot;High Strength Head Stud Se=
t&quot; ranging in price from $8.99 each to $229.99 for the &quot;Set&quot;=
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<div>I have read (on the Moss site) that ARP makes the high strength stud.=
=C2=A0 ARP has asked me for the length of the stud, the diameter of the stu=
d and the thread size.=C2=A0 I have also=C2=A0read that Summit sells the st=
uds and they are asking me the same questions as ARP.</div>

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<div>So, the questions=C2=A0are what is the info on the stud sizes, high st=
rength vs regular strength (same for the nuts and washers), long or short s=
tuds, who to buy from, who is the source for the best head gasket (what thi=
ckness) and what else do I need to know.=C2=A0 The manual says 75 ft lbs of=
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ick with the book?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>

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</div>

<div>As you can see, I really need expert advice before I screw things up.=
=C2=A0 I do not=C2=A0race the car so it is stock.</div>

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<div>Fred</div>

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Interesting thread. I'd always heard it was gospel that when you 
overhauled an engine you used new head studs/bolts. But, when I last had 
my BJ8 overhauled few years ago the mechanic, a very meticulous Kiwi at 
a local speed shop--who also happened to be a licensed aircraft 
mechanic--reused the ones in the engine which, AFAIK, were original (the 
car had about 200K miles). It's run great for going on 7K miles.

I had a Payen top end gasket set I'd bought years ago and used its head 
gasket. I've heard some scuttlebutt about Payen no longer being made in 
England, but can't confirm it.

Bob

On 2/9/2021 6:30 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
> My BJ8 probably has 150K miles on it done this way, never touched the 
> head after replacing the head gasket in all that time.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 6:36 AM healeyguy--- via Healeys 
>
>     Fred
>     There are multiple thousands of Austin Healey 6 cylinder cars on
>     the road today using Payden original style head gaskets, original
>     studs and nuts, installed to factory specs without having a
>     monumental failure rate.
>     different gaskets ranging from $49 to $229.  Moss shows a $64
>     complete kit for all gaskets including the head gasket.  Moss
>     shows short head studs vs long head studs and they show a "High
>     Strength Head Stud Set" ranging in price from $8.99 each to
>     $229.99 for the "Set".
>
>     I have read (on the Moss site) that ARP makes the high strength
>     stud.  ARP has asked me for the length of the stud, the diameter
>     of the stud and the thread size.  I have also read that Summit
>     sells the studs and they are asking me the same questions as ARP.
>
>     strength vs regular strength (same for the nuts and washers), long
>     or short studs, who to buy from, who is the source for the best
>     head gasket (what thickness) and what else do I need to know.  The
>     manual says 75 ft lbs of final torque in three stages.  Should I
>     be a bit more than that or stick with the book?
>
>     As you can see, I really need expert advice before I screw things
>     up.  I do not race the car so it is stock.
>
>     Thanks for the help,
>
>     Fred
>
>     66 BJ8
>

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    Interesting thread. I'd always heard it was gospel that when you
    overhauled an engine you used new head studs/bolts. But, when I last
    had my BJ8 overhauled few years ago the mechanic, a very meticulous
    Kiwi at a local speed shop--who also happened to be a licensed
    aircraft mechanic--reused the ones in the engine which, AFAIK, were
    original (the car had about 200K miles). It's run great for going on
    7K miles.<br>
    <br>
    I had a Payen top end gasket set I'd bought years ago and used its
    head gasket. I've heard some scuttlebutt about Payen no longer being
    made in England, but can't confirm it.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
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        never touched the head after replacing the head gasket in all
        that time.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 6:36
          AM healeyguy--- via Healeys &lt;<a
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            <div>Fred</div>
            There are multiple thousands of Austin Healey 6 cylinder
            cars on the road today using Payden original style head
            gaskets, original studs and nuts, installed to factory specs
            without having a monumental failure rate. 
            <div>If your car is a driver, not a race car, build it
              accordingly. </div>
            <div>Perry<br>
              <br>
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                  To: healeys &lt;<a
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                  Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2021 12:48 pm<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Listers,  
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>I am thoroughly confused and baffled and I
                        need help.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>I need to replace the head gasket on my 66
                        BJ8.  Moss shows three different gaskets ranging
                        from $49 to $229.  Moss shows a $64 complete kit
                        for all gaskets including the head gasket.  Moss
                        shows short head studs vs long head studs and
                        they show a "High Strength Head Stud Set"
                        ranging in price from $8.99 each to $229.99 for
                        the "Set".</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>I have read (on the Moss site) that ARP makes
                        the high strength stud.  ARP has asked me for
                        the length of the stud, the diameter of the stud
                        and the thread size.  I have also read that
                        Summit sells the studs and they are asking me
                        the same questions as ARP.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>So, the questions are what is the info on the
                        stud sizes, high strength vs regular strength
                        (same for the nuts and washers), long or short
                        studs, who to buy from, who is the source for
                        the best head gasket (what thickness) and what
                        else do I need to know.  The manual says 75 ft
                        lbs of final torque in three stages.  Should I
                        be a bit more than that or stick with the
                        book?  </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>As you can see, I really need expert advice
                        before I screw things up.  I do not race the car
                        so it is stock.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Thanks for the help,</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Fred</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>66 BJ8</div>
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