Subject: Re: [Healeys] Towing a Healey flat

From: Kees Oudesluijs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 23:31:08 +0200

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A car with a manual gearbox can be towed over ant distance without any 
problems. Gears spin so oil is splashed about in the box, same for the 
rear axle. The problem lies with conventional automatic boxes which 
generally cannot be towed over any distance. Other automatic gearboxes 
may (e.g. variomatic) or may not be towed.

Kees Oudesluijs

Op 9-6-2019 om 23:19 schreef Robert Begani:
>
> I am considering towing my BJ8 with a tow bar attached to the front of 
> the frame.  The problem I find is that on most sites I have searched, 
>  listeners say you have to disconnect the propeller/driveshaft because 
> the transmission will not be lubricating the gears.  As our Healey’s 
> are not automatic transmissions I do not see the why not.  Another 
> group of comment is that the manual trans gears would not be 
> lubricated. Although I am not expert in the transmission it seems to 
> me that with all the oil we put in the Healey trans all the gears must 
> be at least half immersed and well lubricated.
>
> I have spoken to several Healey drivers at Conclave and shows over the 
> past few years who have towed their Healey flat to the show and all 
> have said “works great without any problems with the trans 
> connected”.  My own experience was with my girlfriends soon to become 
> wife in 1968 to get her TR3 to Phoenix. I got a driveaway deal 
> (remember those?) from Budget Chicago to take a car to Phoenix. I 
> rented a bumper hitch from Uhaul with clamps to the bumper of her 1962 
> TR3. Remember big bumpers on American Cars! I drove it via US 66 all 
> the way to Phoenix through a rain and sleet storm in November.  It 
> followed me very nicely.  We drove it for 2 years around AZ until I 
> finished my MBA and never had a transmission problem.
>
> Oh yes, back in the day, we were told that British Cars were designed 
> to have a person in the drivers seat so if you tow one you should put 
> a weight in the drivers seat otherwise the car will want to lean or 
> list to starboard. Never understood that comment.  Nevertheless, I put 
> a duffel bag of clothes just in case.  Again, it followed me very nicely.
>
> So I want to use my 3.8 V6 Chrysler Pacifica 2005 SUV which can handle 
> 3500 lbs up to 5000 lbs. if you are pulling flat with very little load 
> on the tongue. So it can handle the load. I have pictures of a tow bar 
> made for the BJ8 which bolts to the front of the frame my friend can 
> fabricate.   I seek comments from the list.
>
> Who has experience with Towing Flat?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Begani
>
>
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    <p>A car with a manual gearbox can be towed over ant distance
      without any problems. Gears spin so oil is splashed about in the
      box, same for the rear axle. The problem lies with conventional
      automatic boxes which generally cannot be towed over any distance.
      Other automatic gearboxes may (e.g. variomatic) or may not be
      towed.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Kees Oudesluijs<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 9-6-2019 om 23:19 schreef Robert
      Begani:<br>
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            am considering towing my BJ8 with a tow bar attached to the
            front of the frame.  The problem I find is that on most
            sites I have searched,  listeners say you have to disconnect
            the propeller/driveshaft because the transmission will not
            be lubricating the gears.  As our Healey’s are not automatic
            transmissions I do not see the why not.  Another group of
            comment is that the manual trans gears would not be
            lubricated. Although I am not expert in the transmission it
            seems to me that with all the oil we put in the Healey trans
            all the gears must be at least half immersed and well
            lubricated.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">I
            have spoken to several Healey drivers at Conclave and shows
            over the past few years who have towed their Healey flat to
            the show and all have said “works great without any problems
            with the trans connected”.  My own experience was with my
            girlfriends soon to become wife in 1968 to get her TR3 to
            Phoenix. I got a driveaway deal (remember those?) from
            Budget Chicago to take a car to Phoenix. I rented a bumper
            hitch from Uhaul with clamps to the bumper of her 1962 TR3. 
            Remember big bumpers on American Cars! I drove it via US 66
            all the way to Phoenix through a rain and sleet storm in
            November.  It followed me very nicely.  We drove it for 2
            years around AZ until I finished my MBA and never had a
            transmission problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Oh
            yes, back in the day, we were told that British Cars were
            designed to have a person in the drivers seat so if you tow
            one you should put a weight in the drivers seat otherwise
            the car will want to lean or list to starboard. Never
            understood that comment.  Nevertheless, I put a duffel bag
            of clothes just in case.  Again, it followed me very nicely.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">So
            I want to use my 3.8 V6 Chrysler Pacifica 2005 SUV which can
            handle 3500 lbs up to 5000 lbs. if you are pulling flat with
            very little load on the tongue. So it can handle the load. I
            have pictures of a tow bar made for the BJ8 which bolts to
            the front of the frame my friend can fabricate.   I seek
            comments from the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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just make sure its in neutral and not in gear.
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
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On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 2:31 PM Kees Oudesluijs <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> problems. Gears spin so oil is splashed about in the box, same for the re=
ar
> axle. The problem lies with conventional automatic boxes which generally
> cannot be towed over any distance. Other automatic gearboxes may (e.g.
> variomatic) or may not be towed.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
> I am considering towing my BJ8 with a tow bar attached to the front of th=
e
> frame.  The problem I find is that on most sites I have searched,
>  listeners say you have to disconnect the propeller/driveshaft because th=
e
> transmission will not be lubricating the gears.  As our Healey=E2=80=99s =
are not
> automatic transmissions I do not see the why not.  Another group of comme=
nt
> is that the manual trans gears would not be lubricated. Although I am not
> expert in the transmission it seems to me that with all the oil we put in
> the Healey trans all the gears must be at least half immersed and well
> lubricated.
>
>
>
> past few years who have towed their Healey flat to the show and all have
> said =E2=80=9Cworks great without any problems with the trans connected=
=E2=80=9D.  My own
> experience was with my girlfriends soon to become wife in 1968 to get her
> TR3 to Phoenix. I got a driveaway deal (remember those?) from Budget
> Chicago to take a car to Phoenix. I rented a bumper hitch from Uhaul with
> clamps to the bumper of her 1962 TR3.  Remember big bumpers on American
> Cars! I drove it via US 66 all the way to Phoenix through a rain and slee=
t
> storm in November.  It followed me very nicely.  We drove it for 2 years
> around AZ until I finished my MBA and never had a transmission problem.
>
>
>
> Oh yes, back in the day, we were told that British Cars were designed to
> have a person in the drivers seat so if you tow one you should put a weig=
ht
> in the drivers seat otherwise the car will want to lean or list to
> starboard. Never understood that comment.  Nevertheless, I put a duffel b=
ag
> of clothes just in case.  Again, it followed me very nicely.
>
>
>
> 3500 lbs up to 5000 lbs. if you are pulling flat with very little load on
> the tongue. So it can handle the load. I have pictures of a tow bar made
> for the BJ8 which bolts to the front of the frame my friend can
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    <p>A car with a manual gearbox can be towed over ant distance
      without any problems. Gears spin so oil is splashed about in the
      box, same for the rear axle. The problem lies with conventional
      automatic boxes which generally cannot be towed over any distance.
      Other automatic gearboxes may (e.g. variomatic) or may not be
      towed.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Kees Oudesluijs<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class=3D"gmail-m_947069159970709355moz-cite-prefix">Op 9-6-2019 om=
 23:19 schreef Robert
      Begani:<br>
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      <div class=3D"gmail-m_947069159970709355WordSection1">
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">I
            am considering towing my BJ8 with a tow bar attached to the
            front of the frame.=C2=A0 The problem I find is that on most
            sites I have searched, =C2=A0listeners say you have to disconne=
ct
            the propeller/driveshaft because the transmission will not
            be lubricating the gears.=C2=A0 As our Healey=E2=80=99s are not=
 automatic
            transmissions I do not see the why not.=C2=A0 Another group of
            comment is that the manual trans gears would not be
            lubricated. Although I am not expert in the transmission it
            seems to me that with all the oil we put in the Healey trans
            all the gears must be at least half immersed and well
            lubricated.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">I
            have spoken to several Healey drivers at Conclave and shows
            over the past few years who have towed their Healey flat to
            the show and all have said =E2=80=9Cworks great without any pro=
blems
            with the trans connected=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 My own experience was =
with my
            girlfriends soon to become wife in 1968 to get her TR3 to
            Phoenix. I got a driveaway deal (remember those?) from
            Budget Chicago to take a car to Phoenix. I rented a bumper
            hitch from Uhaul with clamps to the bumper of her 1962 TR3.=C2=
=A0
            Remember big bumpers on American Cars! I drove it via US 66
            all the way to Phoenix through a rain and sleet storm in
            November.=C2=A0 It followed me very nicely.=C2=A0 We drove it f=
or 2
            years around AZ until I finished my MBA and never had a
            transmission problem.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">Oh
            yes, back in the day, we were told that British Cars were
            designed to have a person in the drivers seat so if you tow
            one you should put a weight in the drivers seat otherwise
            the car will want to lean or list to starboard. Never
            understood that comment.=C2=A0 Nevertheless, I put a duffel bag
            of clothes just in case.=C2=A0 Again, it followed me very nicel=
y.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">So
            I want to use my 3.8 V6 Chrysler Pacifica 2005 SUV which can
            handle 3500 lbs up to 5000 lbs. if you are pulling flat with
            very little load on the tongue. So it can handle the load. I
            have pictures of a tow bar made for the BJ8 which bolts to
            the front of the frame my friend can fabricate.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I s=
eek
            comments from the list.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">Who
            has experience with Towing Flat?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">Bob
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        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
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ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 17:41:20 -0400

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We tow our 2012 Ford Escape manual transmission flat behind our Motorhome.
Sometimes we are moving at over 70 mph.  No problems at all.  We've probably
done this for 70,000 miles?    

On the other hand, I'd probably not do this with the Healey because the
motorhome really can't detect the weight of the car.  If something went
wrong we'd not know about it until some other driver motioned to us, or we
arrived at destination with beat up car.   The Healey just seems more
delicate than the Ford.  In our case, we tow the Healey in an enclosed
(weather-tight) car hauler trailer behind the Motorhome. 

On the other, other hand, you mention you want to do this behind an SUV.
You would probably notice if something was amiss with the Healey behind an
SUV.   The things that can go wrong are 3 fold: 

1.        The car can somehow slip out of neutral into one of the gears.  At
which point, the engine will probably overrev and be destroyed --- or put so
much drag on the SUV that you'd recognize an issue right away and suffer no
bad issues.

2.        The car's steering can get skew wiff and you find yourself
dragging a car which wants to move to a different lane.  Probably easily
avoided by bungie cord tying the steering wheel to have a strong preference
for going straight.  (Don't overdo it though, the steering wheel of a towed
car must be allowed latitude to move a bit.)

3.       The car's brakes might get hot and expand to the point that the
brakes start to drag.   Tire damage could ensue.  Again, you'd probably
notice the issue before damage happened.

In other words,  I'd say go for it with the SUV.   Although you'll probably
find the Healey is pretty dirty when you arrive at your destination . J

Best wishes..

From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Robert
Begani
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 5:20 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Healeys] Towing a Healey flat

I am considering towing my BJ8 with a tow bar attached to the front of the
frame.  The problem I find is that on most sites I have searched,  listeners
say you have to disconnect the propeller/driveshaft because the transmission
will not be lubricating the gears.  As our Healey's are not automatic
transmissions I do not see the why not.  Another group of comment is that
the manual trans gears would not be lubricated. Although I am not expert in
the transmission it seems to me that with all the oil we put in the Healey
trans all the gears must be at least half immersed and well lubricated.  

I have spoken to several Healey drivers at Conclave and shows over the past
few years who have towed their Healey flat to the show and all have said
"works great without any problems with the trans connected".  My own
experience was with my girlfriends soon to become wife in 1968 to get her
TR3 to Phoenix. I got a driveaway deal (remember those?) from Budget Chicago
to take a car to Phoenix. I rented a bumper hitch from Uhaul with clamps to
the bumper of her 1962 TR3.  Remember big bumpers on American Cars! I drove
it via US 66 all the way to Phoenix through a rain and sleet storm in
November.  It followed me very nicely.  We drove it for 2 years around AZ
until I finished my MBA and never had a transmission problem.

Oh yes, back in the day, we were told that British Cars were designed to
have a person in the drivers seat so if you tow one you should put a weight
in the drivers seat otherwise the car will want to lean or list to
starboard. Never understood that comment.  Nevertheless, I put a duffel bag
of clothes just in case.  Again, it followed me very nicely.

So I want to use my 3.8 V6 Chrysler Pacifica 2005 SUV which can handle 3500
lbs up to 5000 lbs. if you are pulling flat with very little load on the
tongue. So it can handle the load. I have pictures of a tow bar made for the
BJ8 which bolts to the front of the frame my friend can fabricate.   I seek
comments from the list.

Regards,

Bob Begani

 

 

 

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We tow our 2012 Ford =
Escape manual transmission flat behind our Motorhome.&nbsp; Sometimes we =
are moving at over 70 mph.&nbsp; No problems at all.&nbsp; We&#8217;ve =
probably done this for 70,000 miles? =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>On the other hand, =
I&#8217;d probably not do this with the Healey because the motorhome =
really can&#8217;t detect the weight of the car.&nbsp; If something went =
wrong we&#8217;d not know about it until some other driver motioned to =
us, or we arrived at destination with beat up car.&nbsp;&nbsp; The =
Healey just seems more delicate than the Ford.&nbsp; In our case, we tow =
the Healey in an enclosed (weather-tight) car hauler trailer behind the =
Motorhome. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>On the other, other =
hand, you mention you want to do this behind an SUV.&nbsp;&nbsp; You =
would probably notice if something was amiss with the Healey behind an =
SUV.&nbsp;&nbsp; The things that can go wrong are 3 fold: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;The =
car can somehow slip out of neutral into one of the gears.&nbsp; At =
which point, the engine will probably overrev and be destroyed --- or =
put so much drag on the SUV that you&#8217;d recognize an issue right =
away and suffer no bad issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;The =
car&#8217;s steering can get skew wiff and you find yourself dragging a =
car which wants to move to a different lane.&nbsp; Probably easily =
avoided by bungie cord tying the steering wheel to have a strong =
preference for going straight.&nbsp; (Don&#8217;t overdo it though, the =
steering wheel of a towed car must be allowed latitude to move a =
bit.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The =
car&#8217;s brakes might get hot and expand to the point that the brakes =
start to drag.&nbsp;&nbsp; Tire damage could ensue.&nbsp; Again, =
you&#8217;d probably notice the issue before damage =
happened.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>In other words,&nbsp; I&#8217;d say go for it =
with the SUV.&nbsp;&nbsp; Although you&#8217;ll probably find the Healey =
is pretty dirty when you arrive at your destination &#8230; </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Best =
wishes&#8230;.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Robert Begani<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 9, 2019 5:20 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] =
Towing a Healey flat<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I am =
considering towing my BJ8 with a tow bar attached to the front of the =
frame.&nbsp; The problem I find is that on most sites I have searched, =
&nbsp;listeners say you have to disconnect the propeller/driveshaft =
because the transmission will not be lubricating the gears.&nbsp; As our =
Healey&#8217;s are not automatic transmissions I do not see the why not. =
&nbsp;Another group of comment is that the manual trans gears would not =
be lubricated. Although I am not expert in the transmission it seems to =
me that with all the oil we put in the Healey trans all the gears must =
be at least half immersed and well lubricated.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I have =
spoken to several Healey drivers at Conclave and shows over the past few =
years who have towed their Healey flat to the show and all have said =
&#8220;works great without any problems with the trans =
connected&#8221;.&nbsp; My own experience was with my girlfriends soon =
to become wife in 1968 to get her TR3 to Phoenix. I got a driveaway deal =
(remember those?) from Budget Chicago to take a car to Phoenix. I rented =
a bumper hitch from Uhaul with clamps to the bumper of her 1962 =
TR3.&nbsp; Remember big bumpers on American Cars! I drove it via US 66 =
all the way to Phoenix through a rain and sleet storm in November. =
&nbsp;It followed me very nicely.&nbsp; We drove it for 2 years around =
AZ until I finished my MBA and never had a transmission =
problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Oh yes, back =
in the day, we were told that British Cars were designed to have a =
person in the drivers seat so if you tow one you should put a weight in =
the drivers seat otherwise the car will want to lean or list to =
starboard. Never understood that comment.&nbsp; Nevertheless, I put a =
duffel bag of clothes just in case.&nbsp; Again, it followed me very =
nicely.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So I want to =
use my 3.8 V6 Chrysler Pacifica 2005 SUV which can handle 3500 lbs up to =
5000 lbs. if you are pulling flat with very little load on the tongue. =
So it can handle the load. I have pictures of a tow bar made for the BJ8 =
which bolts to the front of the frame my friend can =
fabricate.&nbsp;&nbsp; I seek comments from the =
list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Bob =
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Remove the drive shaft!! One of our Midwest member=E2=80=99s destroyed a gea=
r box when it slipped into gear going to Conclave one year.=20

Price Lindsay
67 BJ8

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2019, at 5:38 PM, i erbs <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> just make sure its in neutral and not in gear. =20
> Ira Erbs
> Portland,OR
>       _______                                  _______
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>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 2:31 PM Kees Oudesluijs <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>> A car with a manual gearbox can be towed over ant distance without any pr=
oblems. Gears spin so oil is splashed about in the box, same for the rear ax=
le. The problem lies with conventional automatic boxes which generally canno=
t be towed over any distance. Other automatic gearboxes may (e.g. variomatic=
) or may not be towed.
>>> I am considering towing my BJ8 with a tow bar attached to the front of t=
he frame.  The problem I find is that on most sites I have searched,  listen=
ers say you have to disconnect the propeller/driveshaft because the transmis=
sion will not be lubricating the gears.  As our Healey=E2=80=99s are not aut=
omatic transmissions I do not see the why not.  Another group of comment is t=
hat the manual trans gears would not be lubricated. Although I am not expert=
 in the transmission it seems to me that with all the oil we put in the Heal=
ey trans all the gears must be at least half immersed and well lubricated.=20=

>>>=20
>>> =20
>>>=20
>>> I have spoken to several Healey drivers at Conclave and shows over the p=
ast few years who have towed their Healey flat to the show and all have said=
 =E2=80=9Cworks great without any problems with the trans connected=E2=80=9D=
.  My own experience was with my girlfriends soon to become wife in 1968 to g=
et her TR3 to Phoenix. I got a driveaway deal (remember those?) from Budget C=
hicago to take a car to Phoenix. I rented a bumper hitch from Uhaul with cla=
mps to the bumper of her 1962 TR3.  Remember big bumpers on American Cars! I=
 drove it via US 66 all the way to Phoenix through a rain and sleet storm in=
 November.  It followed me very nicely.  We drove it for 2 years around AZ u=
ntil I finished my MBA and never had a transmission problem.
>>>=20
>>> =20
>>>=20
>>> Oh yes, back in the day, we were told that British Cars were designed to=
 have a person in the drivers seat so if you tow one you should put a weight=
 in the drivers seat otherwise the car will want to lean or list to starboar=
d. Never understood that comment.  Nevertheless, I put a duffel bag of cloth=
es just in case.  Again, it followed me very nicely.
>>>=20
>>> =20
>>>=20
>>> So I want to use my 3.8 V6 Chrysler Pacifica 2005 SUV which can handle 3=
500 lbs up to 5000 lbs. if you are pulling flat with very little load on the=
 tongue. So it can handle the load. I have pictures of a tow bar made for th=
e BJ8 which bolts to the front of the frame my friend can fabricate.   I see=
k comments from the list.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Remove the drive shaft!! One of our Midwest=
 member=E2=80=99s destroyed a gear box when it slipped into gear going to Co=
nclave one year.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Price Lindsay</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">67 BJ8<br><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br>On Jun 9, 2019, at 5:38 PM, i erbs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyera3000=
@gmail.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">just make sure its in neutral an=
d not in gear.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g=
mail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><di=
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v>Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">=
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nt-family:'Times New Roman',serif">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1959 BN4=
____/ _______)</span><br style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span=
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bsp; (_________________________)</span></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=
1967 MGB &nbsp;<img src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/image=
s/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=3D"MG"></div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(51,51,51);font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if;font-size:14px">A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Ma=
rio Andretti</span><br></div><div>Please excuse random auto corrects and mis=
spelled words</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
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ss=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 2:31 PM Kees Oudesluijs &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
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   =20
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    <p>A car with a manual gearbox can be towed over ant distance
      without any problems. Gears spin so oil is splashed about in the
      box, same for the rear axle. The problem lies with conventional
      automatic boxes which generally cannot be towed over any distance.
      Other automatic gearboxes may (e.g. variomatic) or may not be
      towed.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Kees Oudesluijs<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class=3D"gmail-m_947069159970709355moz-cite-prefix">Op 9-6-2019 om 2=
3:19 schreef Robert
      Begani:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
     =20
     =20
      <div class=3D"gmail-m_947069159970709355WordSection1">
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">I
            am considering towing my BJ8 with a tow bar attached to the
            front of the frame.&nbsp; The problem I find is that on most
            sites I have searched, &nbsp;listeners say you have to disconnec=
t
            the propeller/driveshaft because the transmission will not
            be lubricating the gears.&nbsp; As our Healey=E2=80=99s are not a=
utomatic
            transmissions I do not see the why not.&nbsp; Another group of
            comment is that the manual trans gears would not be
            lubricated. Although I am not expert in the transmission it
            seems to me that with all the oil we put in the Healey trans
            all the gears must be at least half immersed and well
            lubricated.&nbsp; <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">I
            have spoken to several Healey drivers at Conclave and shows
            over the past few years who have towed their Healey flat to
            the show and all have said =E2=80=9Cworks great without any prob=
lems
            with the trans connected=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; My own experience was w=
ith my
            girlfriends soon to become wife in 1968 to get her TR3 to
            Phoenix. I got a driveaway deal (remember those?) from
            Budget Chicago to take a car to Phoenix. I rented a bumper
            hitch from Uhaul with clamps to the bumper of her 1962 TR3.&nbsp=
;
            Remember big bumpers on American Cars! I drove it via US 66
            all the way to Phoenix through a rain and sleet storm in
            November.&nbsp; It followed me very nicely.&nbsp; We drove it fo=
r 2
            years around AZ until I finished my MBA and never had a
            transmission problem.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">Oh
            yes, back in the day, we were told that British Cars were
            designed to have a person in the drivers seat so if you tow
            one you should put a weight in the drivers seat otherwise
            the car will want to lean or list to starboard. Never
            understood that comment.&nbsp; Nevertheless, I put a duffel bag
            of clothes just in case.&nbsp; Again, it followed me very nicely=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">So
            I want to use my 3.8 V6 Chrysler Pacifica 2005 SUV which can
            handle 3500 lbs up to 5000 lbs. if you are pulling flat with
            very little load on the tongue. So it can handle the load. I
            have pictures of a tow bar made for the BJ8 which bolts to
            the front of the frame my friend can fabricate.&nbsp;&nbsp; I se=
ek
            comments from the list.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">Who
            has experience with Towing Flat?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif">Bob
            Begani<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
al,sans-serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
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        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Ari=
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From: Mark J Bradakis via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 19:49:50 -0600

When driving the car, the transmission gears and bearings get lubricated 
by the oil splashing around inside.  It splashes around because the 
laygears are spinning all the time because the input shaft is spinning 
all the time.  When you tow a car with the driveshaft connected, the 
engine is not turning, so the input shaft is not turning, so the laygear 
is not turning so the oil is NOT getting splashed around.  The rear tail 
bearing is NOT getting lubricated, the rear main bearing is NOT getting 
lubricated, the mainshaft is NOT getting lubricated, the syncros are NOT 
getting lubricated, but they are all spinning around.  For short 
distances, not a problem.  For longer distances, if you fire up the car 
for a minute or two every time you gas up the tow vehicle and still 
leave it in neutral to let the laygear splash the oil around you should 
be getting enough lube on the mainshaft and its components to keep it 
from burning up until the next stop.

mjb.

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From: Mark J Bradakis via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 20:02:16 -0600

On 6/9/19 3:31 PM, Kees Oudesluijs wrote:
> rear axle.

This is incorrect.  When towing, NONE of the gears are moving, NO oil is 
getting splashed around.

mjb.

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From: ahbn6--- via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 17:30:41 -0400

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I towed my Healey from Las Vegas to New Jersey using a front wheel  carrier.
Did not disconnect the transmission. No problems.

John Sims

 <http://www.healey6.com> www.healey6.com

Aberdeen, NJ

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Robert Begani
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 5:20 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Healeys] Towing a Healey flat

 

Regards,

Bob Begani

 

 

 

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Black",sans-serif'>I towed my Healey from Las Vegas to New Jersey using =
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problems.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert =
Begani<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 9, 2019 5:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Towing a Healey =
flat<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I am =
considering towing my BJ8 with a tow bar attached to the front of the =
frame.&nbsp; The problem I find is that on most sites I have searched, =
&nbsp;listeners say you have to disconnect the propeller/driveshaft =
because the transmission will not be lubricating the gears.&nbsp; As our =
Healey&#8217;s are not automatic transmissions I do not see the why not. =
&nbsp;Another group of comment is that the manual trans gears would not =
be lubricated. Although I am not expert in the transmission it seems to =
me that with all the oil we put in the Healey trans all the gears must =
be at least half immersed and well lubricated.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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to several Healey drivers at Conclave and shows over the past few years =
who have towed their Healey flat to the show and all have said =
&#8220;works great without any problems with the trans =
connected&#8221;.&nbsp; My own experience was with my girlfriends soon =
to become wife in 1968 to get her TR3 to Phoenix. I got a driveaway deal =
(remember those?) from Budget Chicago to take a car to Phoenix. I rented =
a bumper hitch from Uhaul with clamps to the bumper of her 1962 =
TR3.&nbsp; Remember big bumpers on American Cars! I drove it via US 66 =
all the way to Phoenix through a rain and sleet storm in November. =
&nbsp;It followed me very nicely.&nbsp; We drove it for 2 years around =
AZ until I finished my MBA and never had a transmission =
problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Oh yes, back =
in the day, we were told that British Cars were designed to have a =
person in the drivers seat so if you tow one you should put a weight in =
the drivers seat otherwise the car will want to lean or list to =
starboard. Never understood that comment.&nbsp; Nevertheless, I put a =
duffel bag of clothes just in case.&nbsp; Again, it followed me very =
nicely.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
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use my 3.8 V6 Chrysler Pacifica 2005 SUV which can handle 3500 lbs up to =
5000 lbs. if you are pulling flat with very little load on the tongue. =
So it can handle the load. I have pictures of a tow bar made for the BJ8 =
which bolts to the front of the frame my friend can =
fabricate.&nbsp;&nbsp; I seek comments from the =
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