Subject: [Healeys] alum radiator swap

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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 08:53:51 +0200 (CEST)

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When you use genuine parts to replace faulty ones and when you keep the car=
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propperly maintained  and when you use the old car only occasionally for=20
fun drives just to enjoy driving it, there is no problem with an old car.
PS: Aluminium radiator is something nobody needs in a classic car as it=20
improves nothing. Just a useless gimmick.
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Josef Eckert
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Betreff: [Healeys] alum radiator swap
Datum: 2019-06-02T00:21:42+0200
Von: "i erbs" <[email-masked]>
An: "Ahealey help" <[email-masked]>
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Aluminum radiator swap update:
Got my old oem unit out. Removed my nice newish metal flex fan. spliced=20
wires onto the electric fan for easy connect/disconnect and then went to=20
double-check the new radiator will work after and initial trial fit. What I=
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found: OEM radiator is 1/2" wider and the aluminum radiator does not have=
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tapped holes, so nuts will be needed to attach to my car. I am outside of=
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the return window.
So it looks like I will be getting my OEM Radiator flow tested and tanked.
Will reinstall my flex fan
refill with coolant/water
have installed a new sleeved thermostat to replace the non-sleeved unit.
I can make some shims for the new radiator, but cutting threads in the=20
holes will most likely result in the holes being to big for the bolts.
Fun with old cars
Registered for a car show on June 8th....
Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
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          BT7 engine and disk brakes
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1967 MGB  [MG]
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A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=
=3DUTF-8"/><title></title></head><body><p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;te=
xt-decoration:none">When you use genuine parts to replace faulty ones and w=
hen you keep the car propperly maintained&nbsp; and when you use the old ca=
r only occasionally for fun drives just to enjoy driving it, there is no pr=
oblem with an old car.<br /></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">PS: Aluminium radia=
tor is something nobody needs in a classic car as it improves nothing. Just=
 a useless gimmick.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Josef Eckert</span>=
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erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">K&ouml;nigswinter/G=
ermany</span></p>
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erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: [Healeys] alum radiator swap</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2019-06-02T00:21:42+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "i erbs" &lt;[email-masked]&gt; </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "Ahealey help" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
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or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Aluminum radiator swap update:</span></span></div>
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<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Got my old oem unit out. Removed my nice newish metal flex fan. =
spliced wires onto the electric fan for easy connect/disconnect and then we=
nt to double-check the new radiator will work after and initial trial fit. =
What I found: OEM radiator is 1/2" wider and the aluminum radiator does not=
 have tapped holes, so nuts will be needed to attach to my car. I am outsid=
e of the return window.</span></span></div>
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<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">So it looks like I will be getting my OEM Radiator flow tested a=
nd tanked.</span></span></div>
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<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Will reinstall my flex fan</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">refill with coolant/water</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">have installed a new sleeved thermostat to replace the non-sleev=
ed unit.</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">I can make some shims for the new radiator, but cutting threads =
in the holes will most likely result in the holes being to big for the bolt=
s.</span></span></div>
</div>
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or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Fun with old cars</span></span></div>
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or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Registered for a car show on June 8th....</span></span></div>
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<div>Portland,OR</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: &amp;#39;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _______ &n=
bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;_______</span><br style=3D"font-fa=
mily: &amp;#39;" /><span style=3D"font-family: &amp;#39;">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbs=
p; (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</span><br style=3D"font-family: &amp=
;#39;" /><span style=3D"font-family: &amp;#39;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
&nbsp; (_________________________)</span></div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk brakes</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>1967 MGB &nbsp;<img src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets=
/images/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=3D"MG" /></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style=3D"color: #333333; font-family: &amp;quot; helvetica neue&=
amp;quot;,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size: 14px;">A racing car is an a=
nimal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</span></div>
<div>Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words</div>
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Yes and no.

An old car should be fit for any normal drive, be it regularly or 
occasionally, at leisure or in modern heavy traffic. This means that 
many classic cars will need some assistance with the cooling, i.e. an 
electric fan, either manually or thermostatically controlled.

An aluminium radiator is indeed a gimmick and does not add anything at 
all. It will probably wear out faster due to corrosion. It is just cheap 
to manufacture and does not improve the cooling efficiency.

What improves cooling efficiency is increasing the running temperature 
of the engine by fitting a hotter thermostat thus creating a larger 
delta T, fitting a more efficient water pump to increase the coolant 
flow, enlarging the total surface area of the radiator, i.e. more rows 
(up to a point), larger matrix or increase the air flow through the 
radiator, i.e. improved cowling, more blades to the fixed fan, higher 
engine idling speed but most of all a thermostatically controlled fan in 
combination with a carefully chosen thermostat and thermoswitch.

Kees Oudesluijs

Op 2-6-2019 om 08:53 schreef [email-masked]:
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> When you use genuine parts to replace faulty ones and when you keep 
> the car propperly maintained  and when you use the old car only 
> occasionally for fun drives just to enjoy driving it, there is no 
> problem with an old car.
>
> PS: Aluminium radiator is something nobody needs in a classic car as 
> it improves nothing. Just a useless gimmick.
>
> Josef Eckert
>
> Königswinter/Germany
>
> Got my old oem unit out. Removed my nice newish metal flex fan. 
> spliced wires onto the electric fan for easy connect/disconnect and 
> then went to double-check the new radiator will work after and initial 
> trial fit. What I found: OEM radiator is 1/2" wider and the aluminum 
> radiator does not have tapped holes, so nuts will be needed to attach 
> to my car. I am outside of the return window.
> I can make some shims for the new radiator, but cutting threads in the 
> 1967 MGB MG
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    <p>Yes and no.</p>
    <p> An old car should be fit for any normal drive, be it regularly
      or occasionally, at leisure or in modern heavy traffic. This means
      that many classic cars will need some assistance with the cooling,
      i.e. an electric fan, either manually or thermostatically
      controlled.</p>
    <p>An aluminium radiator is indeed a gimmick and does not add
      anything at all. It will probably wear out faster due to
      corrosion. It is just cheap to manufacture and does not improve
      the cooling efficiency. <br>
    </p>
    <p>What improves cooling efficiency is increasing the running
      temperature of the engine by fitting a hotter thermostat thus
      creating a larger delta T, fitting a more efficient water pump to
      increase the coolant flow, enlarging the total surface area of the
      radiator, i.e. more rows (up to a point), larger matrix or
      increase the air flow through the radiator, i.e. improved cowling,
      more blades to the fixed fan, higher engine idling speed but most
      of all a thermostatically controlled fan in combination with a
      carefully chosen thermostat and thermoswitch.</p>
    <p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 2-6-2019 om 08:53 schreef
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      <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">When
          you use genuine parts to replace faulty ones and when you keep
          the car propperly maintained  and when you use the old car
          only occasionally for fun drives just to enjoy driving it,
          there is no problem with an old car.<br>
        </span></p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">PS:
          Aluminium radiator is something nobody needs in a classic car
          as it improves nothing. Just a useless gimmick.</span></p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Josef
          Eckert</span></p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Königswinter/Germany</span></p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"> </span></p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: [Healeys] alum radiator swap</p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;">Datum: 2019-06-02T00:21:42+0200</p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;">Von: "i erbs" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>
      </p>
      <p style="margin: 0px;">An: "Ahealey help"
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a></p>
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<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Aluminum radiator swap update:</span></span></div>
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<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Got my old oem unit out. Removed my nice newish metal flex fan. spliced wires onto the electric fan for easy connect/disconnect and then went to double-check the new radiator will work after and initial trial fit. What I found: OEM radiator is 1/2" wider and the aluminum radiator does not have tapped holes, so nuts will be needed to attach to my car. I am outside of the return window.</span></span></div>
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          <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">So it looks like I will be getting my OEM Radiator flow tested and tanked.</span></span></div>
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          <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Will reinstall my flex fan</span></span></div>
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          <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">refill with coolant/water</span></span></div>
</div>
          <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">have installed a new sleeved thermostat to replace the non-sleeved unit.</span></span></div>
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          <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">I can make some shims for the new radiator, but cutting threads in the holes will most likely result in the holes being to big for the bolts.</span></span></div>
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          <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Fun with old cars</span></span></div>
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<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Registered for a car show on June 8th....</span></span></div>
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                                          <div>Portland,OR</div>
                                          <div><span style="font-family:
                                              &amp;#39;">      _______  
                                                                       
                                                   _______</span><br
                                              style="font-family:
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                                            <span style="font-family:
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                                              \____1959 BN4____/
                                              _______)</span><br
                                              style="font-family:
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                                              (_________________________)</span></div>
                                          <div>          BT7 engine and
                                            disk brakes</div>
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                                          <div>1967 MGB  <img
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                                              &amp;quot; helvetica
                                              neue&amp;quot;,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:
                                              14px;">A racing car is an
                                              animal with a thousand
                                              adjustments. Mario
                                              Andretti</span></div>
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                                            corrects and misspelled
                                            words</div>
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Kees,
The running temperature of an Austin-Healey 100, 100/6 and 3000 engine is=
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already relatively high. There is no need to increase it. But you need to=
=20
have engine and radiator in as good as closely to new condition. That means=
=20
no crude in the water channels of the engine or radiator. Some high=20
effeciancy core radiators are also counterproductive, as they hinder the=20
flush of the water through the radiator.
My experiance of 40 years with Austin-Healeys and others like MG As,=20
Triumph TR2-3as, etc. are to kkeep everything to factory spec and the car=
=20
runs absolutely fine in normal traffic. Personally I avoid motorways with=
=20
high traffic and always congestions and driving through big cities like=20
Cologne, Munich, Stuttgart, Amsterdam, etc. from traffic light to traffic=
=20
light. But those big cities I even avoid to go in with my modern car as its=
=20
a nightmare meanwhile.
I better use public transport for going in when I need to go.
=20
Josef Eckert
=20
=20
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Datum: 2019-06-02T10:21:09+0200
Von: "Kees Oudesluijs" <[email-masked]>
An: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
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Yes and no.
An old car should be fit for any normal drive, be it regularly or=20
occasionally, at leisure or in modern heavy traffic. This means that many=
=20
classic cars will need some assistance with the cooling, i.e. an electric=
=20
fan, either manually or thermostatically controlled.
An aluminium radiator is indeed a gimmick and does not add anything at all.=
=20
It will probably wear out faster due to corrosion. It is just cheap to=20
manufacture and does not improve the cooling efficiency.
What improves cooling efficiency is increasing the running temperature of=
=20
the engine by fitting a hotter thermostat thus creating a larger delta T,=
=20
fitting a more efficient water pump to increase the coolant flow, enlarging=
=20
the total surface area of the radiator, i.e. more rows (up to a point),=20
larger matrix or increase the air flow through the radiator, i.e. improved=
=20
cowling, more blades to the fixed fan, higher engine idling speed but most=
=20
of all a thermostatically controlled fan in combination with a carefully=20
chosen thermostat and thermoswitch.
Kees Oudesluijs
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Op 2-6-2019 om 08:53 schreef [email-masked]

    When you use genuine parts to replace faulty ones and when you keep the
    car propperly maintained  and when you use the old car only
    occasionally for fun drives just to enjoy driving it, there is no
    problem with an old car.
    PS: Aluminium radiator is something nobody needs in a classic car as it
    improves nothing. Just a useless gimmick.
    =20
    Josef Eckert
    K=C3=B6nigswinter/Germany
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    Betreff: [Healeys] alum radiator swap
    Datum: 2019-06-02T00:21:42+0200
    An: "Ahealey help" <[email-masked]>
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    Aluminum radiator swap update:
    Got my old oem unit out. Removed my nice newish metal flex fan. spliced
    wires onto the electric fan for easy connect/disconnect and then went
    to double-check the new radiator will work after and initial trial fit.
    What I found: OEM radiator is 1/2" wider and the aluminum radiator does
    not have tapped holes, so nuts will be needed to attach to my car. I am
    outside of the return window.
    So it looks like I will be getting my OEM Radiator flow tested and
    tanked.
    Will reinstall my flex fan
    refill with coolant/water
    have installed a new sleeved thermostat to replace the non-sleeved
    unit.

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=
=3DUTF-8"/><title></title></head><body><p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;te=
xt-decoration:none">Kees,<br /></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">The running tempera=
ture of an Austin-Healey 100, 100/6 and 3000 engine is already relatively h=
igh. There is no need to increase it. But you need to have engine and radia=
tor in as good as closely to new condition. That means no crude in the wate=
r channels of the engine or radiator. Some high effeciancy core radiators a=
re also counterproductive, as they hinder the flush of the water through th=
e radiator.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">My experiance of 40=
 years with Austin-Healeys and others like MG As, Triumph TR2-3as, etc. are=
 to kkeep everything to factory spec and the car runs absolutely fine in no=
rmal traffic. Personally I avoid motorways with high traffic and always con=
gestions and driving through big cities like Cologne, Munich, Stuttgart, Am=
sterdam, etc. from traffic light to traffic light. But those big cities I e=
ven avoid to go in with my modern car as its a nightmare meanwhile.</span><=
/p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">I better use public=
 transport for going in when I need to go.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Josef Eckert</span>=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] alum radiator swap</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2019-06-02T10:21:09+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "Kees Oudesluijs" &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Yes and no.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An old car should be fit for any normal drive, be=
 it regularly or occasionally, at leisure or in modern heavy traffic. This =
means that many classic cars will need some assistance with the cooling, i.=
e. an electric fan, either manually or thermostatically controlled.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An aluminium radiator is indeed a gimmick and doe=
s not add anything at all. It will probably wear out faster due to corrosio=
n. It is just cheap to manufacture and does not improve the cooling efficie=
ncy. </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">What improves cooling efficiency is increasing th=
e running temperature of the engine by fitting a hotter thermostat thus cre=
ating a larger delta T, fitting a more efficient water pump to increase the=
 coolant flow, enlarging the total surface area of the radiator, i.e. more =
rows (up to a point), larger matrix or increase the air flow through the ra=
diator, i.e. improved cowling, more blades to the fixed fan, higher engine =
idling speed but most of all a thermostatically controlled fan in combinati=
on with a carefully chosen thermostat and thermoswitch.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Kees Oudesluijs</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Op 2-6-2019 om 08:53 schreef <a class=3D"moz=
-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">josef-ecker=
[email-masked]</a>:</div>
<blockquote cite=3D"mid:1559458431443.3042984.5d09105e3a9936237334f95f61d63=
[email-masked]">
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">When you us=
e genuine parts to replace faulty ones and when you keep the car propperly =
maintained&nbsp; and when you use the old car only occasionally for fun dri=
ves just to enjoy driving it, there is no problem with an old car.<br /></s=
pan></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">PS: Alumini=
um radiator is something nobody needs in a classic car as it improves nothi=
ng. Just a useless gimmick.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Josef Ecker=
t</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">K&ouml;nigs=
winter/Germany</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: [Healeys] alum radiator swap</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2019-06-02T00:21:42+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "i erbs" <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "Ahealey help" <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc23=
96E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<=
/a></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
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<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Aluminum radiator swap update:</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Got my old oem unit out. Removed my nice newish metal flex fan. =
spliced wires onto the electric fan for easy connect/disconnect and then we=
nt to double-check the new radiator will work after and initial trial fit. =
What I found: OEM radiator is 1/2" wider and the aluminum radiator does not=
 have tapped holes, so nuts will be needed to attach to my car. I am outsid=
e of the return window.</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">So it looks like I will be getting my OEM Radiator flow tested a=
nd tanked.</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Will reinstall my flex fan</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">refill with coolant/water</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">have installed a new sleeved thermostat to replace the non-sleev=
ed unit.</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">I can make some shims for the new radiator, but cutting threads =
in the holes will most likely result in the holes being to big for the bolt=
s.</span></span></div>
</div>
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or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
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inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
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inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
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Hi Josef,

I agree fully with you that the running gear should be kept in perfect 
condition to avoid problems. Not always the case in the US where 
maintenance has a different meaning than in Europe. Cooling problems can 
arise from a lean mixture or wrong ignition timing to silted up engines 
and radiators due to lack of use of proper coolant. I have seen horribly 
silted up engines and radiators from the US and UK incl. in my own 
Californian car.

If I am correct the thermostat opening temperature on the A-H´s is 
either 72°C or 76°C (US spec) which is more or less average. You could 
easily go up to 86°C with a 10psi radiator cap and proper hoses, 
preferably reinforced PU. A good high efficiency radiator core should 
not hinder coolant flow and it even would offer less resistance to flow. 
However there will generally be a slight increase in airflow resistance. 
Some inferior designs may hinder the airflow through the core 
considerably. Go to a proper radiator expert restorer and do not always 
trust the guy around the corner offering a cheap service. He may be an 
expert in soldering but does not always understand the workings of a 
cooling system.

I am afraid I am in no position in the Netherlands to avoid heavy 
traffic, even in relaxed classic car events, so I stick with an improved 
radiator core, 86°C opening thermostat and a properly set up 
thermostatically controlled fan (98°C in, 92°C out), fixed fan removed. 
Only let me down once when the fuse blew in the middle of a hold up 
during an event.

I also use my car a fair bit except when there is salt on the roads.

Kees Oudesluijs

Op 2-6-2019 om 11:25 schreef [email-masked]:
>
> Kees,
>
> The running temperature of an Austin-Healey 100, 100/6 and 3000 engine 
> is already relatively high. There is no need to increase it. But you 
> need to have engine and radiator in as good as closely to new 
> condition. That means no crude in the water channels of the engine or 
> radiator. Some high effeciancy core radiators are also 
> counterproductive, as they hinder the flush of the water through the 
> radiator.
>
> My experiance of 40 years with Austin-Healeys and others like MG As, 
> Triumph TR2-3as, etc. are to kkeep everything to factory spec and the 
> car runs absolutely fine in normal traffic. Personally I avoid 
> motorways with high traffic and always congestions and driving through 
> big cities like Cologne, Munich, Stuttgart, Amsterdam, etc. from 
> traffic light to traffic light. But those big cities I even avoid to 
> go in with my modern car as its a nightmare meanwhile.
>
> all. It will probably wear out faster due to corrosion. It is just 
> cheap to manufacture and does not improve the cooling efficiency.
>
> engine idling speed but most of all a thermostatically controlled fan 
> in combination with a carefully chosen thermostat and thermoswitch.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>     When you use genuine parts to replace faulty ones and when you
>     keep the car propperly maintained  and when you use the old car
>     only occasionally for fun drives just to enjoy driving it, there
>     is no problem with an old car.
>
>     PS: Aluminium radiator is something nobody needs in a classic car
>     as it improves nothing. Just a useless gimmick.
>
>     Josef Eckert
>
>     Königswinter/Germany
>
>     spliced wires onto the electric fan for easy connect/disconnect
>     and then went to double-check the new radiator will work after and
>     initial trial fit. What I found: OEM radiator is 1/2" wider and
>     the aluminum radiator does not have tapped holes, so nuts will be
>     needed to attach to my car. I am outside of the return window.
>     I can make some shims for the new radiator, but cutting threads in
>     the holes will most likely result in the holes being to big for
>     the bolts.
>     Fun with old cars
>     _______________________________________________ Support Team.Nethttp://www.team.net/donate.html  Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys  http://autox.team.net/archive  [email-masked]  http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys  Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]  
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Hi Kees,
You cannot compare your Jensen Healey cooling system with the one from an=
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Austin-Healey. The design of the water pumps on the Austin-Healey allows=20
you 4 (AH100) or 7psi (AH 6cylinders) . Opening of thermostat is 74=C2=B0 C=
 or=20
82=C2=B0C, which make a small difference in hot temperatures in Summer. The=
=20
Austin-Healey engines tend to heat up very much in hill up driving. You=20
really can see the needle going up to over 95=C2=B0 C, but when going down =
or=20
even surface it cools down to opening temperature of the thermostat. With=
=20
the 74=C2=B0 you have a better buffer/distance to the boiling point for the=
 next=20
hill up or traffic light to traffic light in cities.
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Josef Eckert
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Datum: 2019-06-02T12:19:27+0200
Von: "Kees Oudesluijs" <[email-masked]>
An: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>, "Healey, Forum"=
=20
<[email-masked]>
=20
=20
=20
Hi Josef,
=20
I agree fully with you that the running gear should be kept in perfect=20
condition to avoid problems. Not always the case in the US where=20
maintenance has a different meaning than in Europe. Cooling problems can=20
arise from a lean mixture or wrong ignition timing to silted up engines and=
=20
radiators due to lack of use of proper coolant. I have seen horribly silted=
=20
up engines and radiators from the US and UK incl. in my own Californian=20
car.
If I am correct the thermostat opening temperature on the A-H=C2=B4s is eit=
her=20
72=C2=B0C or 76=C2=B0C (US spec) which is more or less average. You could e=
asily go=20
up to 86=C2=B0C with a 10psi radiator cap and proper hoses, preferably=20
reinforced PU. A good high efficiency radiator core should not hinder=20
coolant flow and it even would offer less resistance to flow. However there=
=20
will generally be a slight increase in airflow resistance. Some inferior=20
designs may hinder the airflow through the core considerably. Go to a=20
proper radiator expert restorer and do not always trust the guy around the=
=20
corner offering a cheap service. He may be an expert in soldering but does=
=20
not always understand the workings of a cooling system.
I am afraid I am in no position in the Netherlands to avoid heavy traffic,=
=20
even in relaxed classic car events, so I stick with an improved radiator=20
core, 86=C2=B0C opening thermostat and a properly set up thermostatically=
=20
controlled fan (98=C2=B0C in, 92=C2=B0C out), fixed fan removed. Only let m=
e down=20
once when the fuse blew in the middle of a hold up during an event.
I also use my car a fair bit except when there is salt on the roads.
=20
Kees Oudesluijs
=20
=20
=20
Op 2-6-2019 om 11:25 schreef [email-masked]

    Kees,
    traffic light to traffic light. But those big cities I even avoid to go
    in with my modern car as its a nightmare meanwhile.

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        Betreff: [Healeys] alum radiator swap
        Datum: 2019-06-02T00:21:42+0200
        An: "Ahealey help" <[email-masked]>
        =20
        =20
        =20
        Aluminum radiator swap update:
        Got my old oem unit out. Removed my nice newish metal flex fan.
        spliced wires onto the electric fan for easy connect/disconnect and
        then went to double-check the new radiator will work after and
        initial trial fit. What I found: OEM radiator is 1/2" wider and the
        aluminum radiator does not have tapped holes, so nuts will be
        needed to attach to my car. I am outside of the return window.
        So it looks like I will be getting my OEM Radiator flow tested and
        tanked.
        Will reinstall my flex fan
        refill with coolant/water
        have installed a new sleeved thermostat to replace the non-sleeved
        unit.
        I can make some shims for the new radiator, but cutting threads in
        the holes will most likely result in the holes being to big for the
        bolts.
        Fun with old cars
        Registered for a car show on June 8th....
        Ira Erbs
        Portland,OR
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             (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=
=3DUTF-8"/><title></title></head><body><p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;te=
xt-decoration:none">Hi Kees,<br /></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">You cannot compare =
your Jensen Healey cooling system with the one from an Austin-Healey. The d=
esign of the water pumps on the Austin-Healey allows you 4 (AH100) or 7psi =
(AH 6cylinders) . Opening of thermostat is 74&deg; C or 82&deg;C, which mak=
e a small difference in hot temperatures in Summer. The Austin-Healey engin=
es tend to heat up very much in hill up driving. You really can see the nee=
dle going up to over 95&deg; C, but when going down or even surface it cool=
s down to opening temperature of the thermostat. With the 74&deg; you have =
a better buffer/distance to the boiling point for the next hill up or traff=
ic light to traffic light in cities.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Josef Eckert</span>=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: AW: [Healeys] alum radiator swap</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2019-06-02T12:19:27+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "Kees Oudesluijs" &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "[email-masked]" &lt;josef-eckert@t=
-online.de&gt;, "Healey, Forum" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Hi Josef,</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">I agree fully with you that the running gear shou=
ld be kept in perfect condition to avoid problems. Not always the case in t=
he US where maintenance has a different meaning than in Europe. Cooling pro=
blems can arise from a lean mixture or wrong ignition timing to silted up e=
ngines and radiators due to lack of use of proper coolant. I have seen horr=
ibly silted up engines and radiators from the US and UK incl. in my own Cal=
ifornian car.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">If I am correct the thermostat opening temperatur=
e on the A-H&acute;s is either 72&deg;C or 76&deg;C (US spec) which is more=
 or less average. You could easily go up to 86&deg;C with a 10psi radiator =
cap and proper hoses, preferably reinforced PU. A good high efficiency radi=
ator core should not hinder coolant flow and it even would offer less resis=
tance to flow. However there will generally be a slight increase in airflow=
 resistance. Some inferior designs may hinder the airflow through the core =
considerably. Go to a proper radiator expert restorer and do not always tru=
st the guy around the corner offering a cheap service. He may be an expert =
in soldering but does not always understand the workings of a cooling syste=
m.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">I am afraid I am in no position in the Netherland=
s to avoid heavy traffic, even in relaxed classic car events, so I stick wi=
th an improved radiator core, 86&deg;C opening thermostat and a properly se=
t up thermostatically controlled fan (98&deg;C in, 92&deg;C out), fixed fan=
 removed. Only let me down once when the fuse blew in the middle of a hold =
up during an event. </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">I also use my car a fair bit except when there is=
 salt on the roads.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Kees Oudesluijs</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Op 2-6-2019 om 11:25 schreef <a class=3D"moz=
-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">josef-ecker=
[email-masked]</a>:</div>
<blockquote cite=3D"mid:1559467523509.3064804.bb11712f803c915f64bc04e6f31d8=
[email-masked]">
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Kees,<br />=
</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">The running=
 temperature of an Austin-Healey 100, 100/6 and 3000 engine is already rela=
tively high. There is no need to increase it. But you need to have engine a=
nd radiator in as good as closely to new condition. That means no crude in =
the water channels of the engine or radiator. Some high effeciancy core rad=
iators are also counterproductive, as they hinder the flush of the water th=
rough the radiator.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">My experian=
ce of 40 years with Austin-Healeys and others like MG As, Triumph TR2-3as, =
etc. are to kkeep everything to factory spec and the car runs absolutely fi=
ne in normal traffic. Personally I avoid motorways with high traffic and al=
ways congestions and driving through big cities like Cologne, Munich, Stutt=
gart, Amsterdam, etc. from traffic light to traffic light. But those big ci=
ties I even avoid to go in with my modern car as its a nightmare meanwhile.=
</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">I better us=
e public transport for going in when I need to go.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Josef Ecker=
t</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] alum radiator swap</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2019-06-02T10:21:09+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "Kees Oudesluijs" <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-r=
fc2396E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt=
;</a></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">"[email-masked]"</a> <a class=3D"moz-t=
xt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;healeys@autox.=
team.net&gt;</a></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Yes and no.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An old car should be fit for any normal drive, be=
 it regularly or occasionally, at leisure or in modern heavy traffic. This =
means that many classic cars will need some assistance with the cooling, i.=
e. an electric fan, either manually or thermostatically controlled.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An aluminium radiator is indeed a gimmick and doe=
s not add anything at all. It will probably wear out faster due to corrosio=
n. It is just cheap to manufacture and does not improve the cooling efficie=
ncy.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">What improves cooling efficiency is increasing th=
e running temperature of the engine by fitting a hotter thermostat thus cre=
ating a larger delta T, fitting a more efficient water pump to increase the=
 coolant flow, enlarging the total surface area of the radiator, i.e. more =
rows (up to a point), larger matrix or increase the air flow through the ra=
diator, i.e. improved cowling, more blades to the fixed fan, higher engine =
idling speed but most of all a thermostatically controlled fan in combinati=
on with a carefully chosen thermostat and thermoswitch.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Kees Oudesluijs</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Op 2-6-2019 om 08:53 schreef <a class=3D"moz=
-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">josef-ecker=
[email-masked]</a>:</div>
<blockquote cite=3D"mid:1559458431443.3042984.5d09105e3a9936237334f95f61d63=
[email-masked]">
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">When you us=
e genuine parts to replace faulty ones and when you keep the car propperly =
maintained&nbsp; and when you use the old car only occasionally for fun dri=
ves just to enjoy driving it, there is no problem with an old car.<br /></s=
pan></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">PS: Alumini=
um radiator is something nobody needs in a classic car as it improves nothi=
ng. Just a useless gimmick.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Josef Ecker=
t</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">K&ouml;nigs=
winter/Germany</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: [Healeys] alum radiator swap</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2019-06-02T00:21:42+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "i erbs" <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "Ahealey help" <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc23=
96E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<=
/a></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
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<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Aluminum radiator swap update:</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Got my old oem unit out. Removed my nice newish metal flex fan. =
spliced wires onto the electric fan for easy connect/disconnect and then we=
nt to double-check the new radiator will work after and initial trial fit. =
What I found: OEM radiator is 1/2" wider and the aluminum radiator does not=
 have tapped holes, so nuts will be needed to attach to my car. I am outsid=
e of the return window.</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">So it looks like I will be getting my OEM Radiator flow tested a=
nd tanked.</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Will reinstall my flex fan</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">refill with coolant/water</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">have installed a new sleeved thermostat to replace the non-sleev=
ed unit.</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">I can make some shims for the new radiator, but cutting threads =
in the holes will most likely result in the holes being to big for the bolt=
s.</span></span></div>
</div>
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or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Fun with old cars</span></span></div>
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or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Registered for a car show on June 8th....</span></span></div>
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<div><span style=3D"font-family: &amp;#39;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _______ &n=
bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;_______</span><br style=3D"font-fa=
mily: &amp;#39;" /><span style=3D"font-family: &amp;#39;">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbs=
p; (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</span><br style=3D"font-family: &amp=
;#39;" /><span style=3D"font-family: &amp;#39;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
&nbsp; (_________________________)</span></div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk brakes</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>1967 MGB &nbsp;<img src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets=
/images/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=3D"MG" /></div>
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<div><span style=3D"color: #333333; font-family: &amp;quot; helvetica neue&=
amp;quot;,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size: 14px;">A racing car is an a=
nimal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</span></div>
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While we're (sort of) on topic, what is the List wisdom on the efficacy 
of fitting side vents to the front wings (a la rally cars)?  Since, 
supposedly, a big part of the issue with Healeys overheating is 
insufficient airflow through the engine bay, I'd expect them to help 
quite a bit.  Or, or they 'useless' as well, since the main overheating 
issue is stopped at idle?

Not sure if the louvers on my 100M help.  It still gets a bit warm 
stopped at idle, but not as much as my BJ8 (but I haven't driven the M 
as much, smaller engine, etc.).

Bob

On 6/2/2019 1:19 AM, Kees Oudesluijs wrote:
>> aluminum radiator does not have tapped holes, so nuts will be needed 
>> to attach to my car. I am outside of the return window.

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    <p>While we're (sort of) on topic, what is the List wisdom on the
      efficacy of fitting side vents to the front wings (a la rally
      cars)?  Since, supposedly, a big part of the issue with Healeys
      overheating is insufficient airflow through the engine bay, I'd
      expect them to help quite a bit.  Or, or they 'useless' as well,
      since the main overheating issue is stopped at idle?</p>
    <p>Not sure if the louvers on my 100M help.  It still gets a bit
      warm stopped at idle, but not as much as my BJ8 (but I haven't
      driven the M as much, smaller engine, etc.).</p>
    <p>Bob<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/2/2019 1:19 AM, Kees Oudesluijs
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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      <p>Yes and no.</p>
      <p> An old car should be fit for any normal drive, be it regularly
        or occasionally, at leisure or in modern heavy traffic. This
        means that many classic cars will need some assistance with the
        cooling, i.e. an electric fan, either manually or
        thermostatically controlled.</p>
      <p>An aluminium radiator is indeed a gimmick and does not add
        anything at all. It will probably wear out faster due to
        corrosion. It is just cheap to manufacture and does not improve
        the cooling efficiency. <br>
      </p>
      <p>What improves cooling efficiency is increasing the running
        temperature of the engine by fitting a hotter thermostat thus
        creating a larger delta T, fitting a more efficient water pump
        to increase the coolant flow, enlarging the total surface area
        of the radiator, i.e. more rows (up to a point), larger matrix
        or increase the air flow through the radiator, i.e. improved
        cowling, more blades to the fixed fan, higher engine idling
        speed but most of all a thermostatically controlled fan in
        combination with a carefully chosen thermostat and thermoswitch.</p>
      <p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
      <p><br>
      </p>
      <p><br>
      </p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 2-6-2019 om 08:53 schreef <a
          class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
          href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>:<br>
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cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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        <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">When
            you use genuine parts to replace faulty ones and when you
            keep the car propperly maintained  and when you use the old
            car only occasionally for fun drives just to enjoy driving
            it, there is no problem with an old car.<br>
          </span></p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">PS:
            Aluminium radiator is something nobody needs in a classic
            car as it improves nothing. Just a useless gimmick.</span></p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Josef
            Eckert</span></p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Königswinter/Germany</span></p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;"><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"> </span></p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;">Betreff: [Healeys] alum radiator swap</p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;">Datum: 2019-06-02T00:21:42+0200</p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;">Von: "i erbs" <a
            class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
            href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>
        </p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;">An: "Ahealey help" <a
            class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
            href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a></p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
        <p style="margin: 0px;"> </p>
        <div>
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            <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Aluminum radiator swap update:</span></span></div>
</div>
            <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Got my old oem unit out. Removed my nice newish metal flex fan. spliced wires onto the electric fan for easy connect/disconnect and then went to double-check the new radiator will work after and initial trial fit. What I found: OEM radiator is 1/2" wider and the aluminum radiator does not have tapped holes, so nuts will be needed to attach to my car. I am outside of the return window.</span></span></div>
</div>
            <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">So it looks like I will be getting my OEM Radiator flow tested and tanked.</span></span></div>
</div>
            <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Will reinstall my flex fan</span></span></div>
</div>
            <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">refill with coolant/water</span></span></div>
</div>
            <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">have installed a new sleeved thermostat to replace the non-sleeved unit.</span></span></div>
</div>
            <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">I can make some shims for the new radiator, but cutting threads in the holes will most likely result in the holes being to big for the bolts.</span></span></div>
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            <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Fun with old cars</span></span></div>
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            <div class="gmail-" style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class="gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style="direction: ltr; font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Registered for a car show on June 8th....</span></span></div>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">Ira Erbs
                                            <div>Portland,OR</div>
                                            <div><span
                                                style="font-family:
                                                &amp;#39;">      _______
                                                                       
                                                         _______</span><br
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                                              <span style="font-family:
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                                                \____1959 BN4____/
                                                _______)</span><br
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                                                (_________________________)</span></div>
                                            <div>          BT7 engine
                                              and disk brakes</div>
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                                            <div>1967 MGB  <img
                                                src="http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg"
                                                alt="MG"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"></div>
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                                                #333333; font-family:
                                                &amp;quot; helvetica
                                                neue&amp;quot;,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:
                                                14px;">A racing car is
                                                an animal with a
                                                thousand adjustments.
                                                Mario Andretti</span></div>
                                            <div>Please excuse random
                                              auto corrects and
                                              misspelled words</div>
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My opinion.
Side  vents help at speeds above app. 70 miles/h for race cars.
Louvers are just a gimmick. help nothing, only cause trouble in rain=20
(mainly when car is parked somewhere).
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Josef Eckert
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] alum radiator swap
Datum: 2019-06-02T16:16:51+0200
Von: "Bob Spidell" <[email-masked]>
An: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
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While we're (sort of) on topic, what is the List wisdom on the efficacy of=
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fitting side vents to the front wings (a la rally cars)?  Since,=20
supposedly, a big part of the issue with Healeys overheating is=20
insufficient airflow through the engine bay, I'd expect them to help quite=
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a bit.  Or, or they 'useless' as well, since the main overheating issue is=
=20
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Not sure if the louvers on my 100M help.  It still gets a bit warm stopped=
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at idle, but not as much as my BJ8 (but I haven't driven the M as much,=20
smaller engine, etc.).
Bob
On 6/2/2019 1:19 AM, Kees Oudesluijs wrote:

    Yes and no.

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        Aluminum radiator swap update:
        Got my old oem unit out. Removed my nice newish metal flex fan.
        spliced wires onto the electric fan for easy connect/disconnect and
        then went to double-check the new radiator will work after and
        initial trial fit. What I found: OEM radiator is 1/2" wider and the

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=3DUTF-8"/><title></title></head><body><p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;te=
xt-decoration:none">My opinion.<br /></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Side&nbsp; vents he=
lp at speeds above app. 70 miles/h for race cars.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Louvers are just a =
gimmick. help nothing, only cause trouble in rain (mainly when car is parke=
d somewhere).</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Josef Eckert</span>=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] alum radiator swap</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2019-06-02T16:16:51+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "Bob Spidell" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</=
p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">While we're (sort of) on topic, what is the List =
wisdom on the efficacy of fitting side vents to the front wings (a la rally=
 cars)?&nbsp; Since, supposedly, a big part of the issue with Healeys overh=
eating is insufficient airflow through the engine bay, I'd expect them to h=
elp quite a bit.&nbsp; Or, or they 'useless' as well, since the main overhe=
ating issue is stopped at idle?</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Not sure if the louvers on my 100M help.&nbsp; It=
 still gets a bit warm stopped at idle, but not as much as my BJ8 (but I ha=
ven't driven the M as much, smaller engine, etc.).</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Bob</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 6/2/2019 1:19 AM, Kees Oudesluijs wrote:<=
/div>
<blockquote cite=3D"mid:[email-masked]">
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Yes and no.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An old car should be fit for any normal drive, be=
 it regularly or occasionally, at leisure or in modern heavy traffic. This =
means that many classic cars will need some assistance with the cooling, i.=
e. an electric fan, either manually or thermostatically controlled.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An aluminium radiator is indeed a gimmick and doe=
s not add anything at all. It will probably wear out faster due to corrosio=
n. It is just cheap to manufacture and does not improve the cooling efficie=
ncy. </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">What improves cooling efficiency is increasing th=
e running temperature of the engine by fitting a hotter thermostat thus cre=
ating a larger delta T, fitting a more efficient water pump to increase the=
 coolant flow, enlarging the total surface area of the radiator, i.e. more =
rows (up to a point), larger matrix or increase the air flow through the ra=
diator, i.e. improved cowling, more blades to the fixed fan, higher engine =
idling speed but most of all a thermostatically controlled fan in combinati=
on with a carefully chosen thermostat and thermoswitch.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Kees Oudesluijs</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Op 2-6-2019 om 08:53 schreef <a class=3D"moz=
-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">josef-ecker=
[email-masked]</a>:</div>
<blockquote cite=3D"mid:1559458431443.3042984.5d09105e3a9936237334f95f61d63=
[email-masked]">
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">When you us=
e genuine parts to replace faulty ones and when you keep the car propperly =
maintained&nbsp; and when you use the old car only occasionally for fun dri=
ves just to enjoy driving it, there is no problem with an old car.<br /></s=
pan></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">PS: Alumini=
um radiator is something nobody needs in a classic car as it improves nothi=
ng. Just a useless gimmick.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Josef Ecker=
t</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">K&ouml;nigs=
winter/Germany</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">&nbsp;</spa=
n></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: [Healeys] alum radiator swap</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2019-06-02T00:21:42+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "i erbs" <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "Ahealey help" <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc23=
96E" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<=
/a></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
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<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Aluminum radiator swap update:</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Got my old oem unit out. Removed my nice newish metal flex fan. =
spliced wires onto the electric fan for easy connect/disconnect and then we=
nt to double-check the new radiator will work after and initial trial fit. =
What I found: OEM radiator is 1/2" wider and the aluminum radiator does not=
 have tapped holes, so nuts will be needed to attach to my car. I am outsid=
e of the return window.</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">So it looks like I will be getting my OEM Radiator flow tested a=
nd tanked.</span></span></div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; col=
or: #1d2129; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap;">
<div class=3D"gmail-_1mf gmail-_1mj" style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: =
inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:=
 inherit;">Will reinstall my flex fan</span></span></div>
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nimal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</span></div>
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