Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction

From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 09:43:49 -0700

Not MGB, but 'champagne.'  Was that an original color?  This one came 
from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't sell?

Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift lever bent, or 
is it an illusion?  And the fluid reservoir spoils an otherwise nice 
engine bay presentation.  Nice car, nonetheless.

Bob

On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:
> Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, but 
> apparently didn't make reserve.  I think the hammer price was 
> $67,500.  Comments anyone?  Steve Byers, is this one in your register?
>
> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386 
>
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Just to pile on... The dash pad cover wasn't installed properly and the Mot=
o-Lita wheel always looks funky. For as much as they were expecting for the=
 car those are the kind of things that should have been correct.

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Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 4:43:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction

Bob

On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:
> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-he=
aley-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386

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<div class=3D"PlainText">Not MGB, but 'champagne.'&nbsp; Was that an origin=
al color?&nbsp; This one came
<br>
from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't sell?<br>
<br>
Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift lever bent, or <br=
is it an illusion?&nbsp; And the fluid reservoir spoils an otherwise nice <=
br>
engine bay presentation.&nbsp; Nice car, nonetheless.<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:<br>
&gt; Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, but <br>
&gt; apparently didn't make reserve.&nbsp; I think the hammer price was <br=
&gt; $67,500.&nbsp; Comments anyone?&nbsp; Steve Byers, is this one in your=
 register?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-=
1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386">
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-heal=
ey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386</a>
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From: "BJ8Healeys" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:54:09 -0400

"Champagne" was not an original color, but Metallic Golden Beige was.  It seems that some high-dollar restorers are very partial to gold on BJ8s and it has become the new "Re-sale Red". 
This car has a replacement VIN plate that is rather crudely stamped.  I've seen beautifully restored BJ8s that turn out to have replacement VIN plates, body plates from other cars, engines from a second, and a third number stamped on the shock tower.  Just because they are beautiful doesn't guarantee their integrity.

Steve Byers
HBJ8L/36666
BJ8 Registry
AHCA Delegate at Large
Havelock, NC  

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From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction

Bob

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From: "BJ8Healeys" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:11:18 -0400

Charlie Baldwin:  strange that I never received your original message via the list (yet).

Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One previous owner recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC Classics in April 2008.

Steve Byers
HBJ8L/36666
BJ8 Registry
AHCA Delegate at Large
Havelock, NC  

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Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction

Bob

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From: Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:58:37 -0400 (EDT)

Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was restored there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.
It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not very well as someone else mentioned.

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From: HealeyRick <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 12:42:07 -0400

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I remember seeing E-Types in a Metallic Golden Beige similar color and
thought it might be called champagne, but the only one I could find using
that name is a Raymond Loewy custom:
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19363/lot/39/  The standard EType color is
called "Golden Sand".

Rick Neville

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 7:28 AM BJ8Healeys <[email-masked]> wrote:

> "Champagne" was not an original color, but Metallic Golden Beige was.  It
> seems that some high-dollar restorers are very partial to gold on BJ8s and
> it has become the new "Re-sale Red".
> This car has a replacement VIN plate that is rather crudely stamped.  I've
> seen beautifully restored BJ8s that turn out to have replacement VIN
> plates, body plates from other cars, engines from a second, and a third
> number stamped on the shock tower.  Just because they are beautiful doesn't
> guarantee their integrity.
>
> Steve Byers
> HBJ8L/36666
> BJ8 Registry
> AHCA Delegate at Large
> Havelock, NC
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">I remember seeing E-Types in a Metallic G=
olden Beige similar color and thought it might be called champagne, but the=
 only one I could find using that name is a Raymond Loewy custom:=C2=A0=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19363/lot/39/">https://www.b=
onhams.com/auctions/19363/lot/39/</a>=C2=A0 The standard EType color is cal=
led &quot;Golden Sand&quot;.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>Rick Nevi=
lle</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct =
15, 2018 at 7:28 AM BJ8Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sbye=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">&quot;C=
hampagne&quot; was not an original color, but Metallic Golden Beige was.=C2=
=A0 It seems that some high-dollar restorers are very partial to gold on BJ=
8s and it has become the new &quot;Re-sale Red&quot;. <br>
This car has a replacement VIN plate that is rather crudely stamped.=C2=A0 =
I&#39;ve seen beautifully restored BJ8s that turn out to have replacement V=
IN plates, body plates from other cars, engines from a second, and a third =
number stamped on the shock tower.=C2=A0 Just because they are beautiful do=
esn&#39;t guarantee their integrity.<br>
<br>
Steve Byers<br>
HBJ8L/36666<br>
BJ8 Registry<br>
AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
Havelock, NC=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell=
<br>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healeys@aut=
ox.team.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction<br>
<br>
Not MGB, but &#39;champagne.&#39;=C2=A0 Was that an original color?=C2=A0 T=
his one came <br>
from the factory in white; maybe that&#39;s why it didn&#39;t sell?<br>
<br>
Not the best seat upholstery I&#39;ve seen, and is the shift lever bent, or=
 <br>
is it an illusion?=C2=A0 And the fluid reservoir spoils an otherwise nice <=
br>
engine bay presentation.=C2=A0 Nice car, nonetheless.<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:<br>
&gt; Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, but <br>
&gt; apparently didn&#39;t make reserve.=C2=A0 I think the hammer price was=
 <br>
&gt; $67,500.=C2=A0 Comments anyone?=C2=A0 Steve Byers, is this one in your=
 register?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-=
1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin=
-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386</a> <br>
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From: Curtis Arndt <[email-masked]>
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Supposedly, either Donald, Geoff or both really  liked Jaguar's Golden Sand
and that was the inspiration for Golden Beige Metallic.

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 12:21 HealeyRick <[email-masked]> wrote:

> https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19363/lot/39/  The standard EType color
> is called "Golden Sand".
>
> Rick Neville
>
>> This car has a replacement VIN plate that is rather crudely stamped.
>> I've seen beautifully restored BJ8s that turn out to have replacement VIN
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"auto">Supposedly, either Donald, Geoff or both really=C2=A0 lik=
ed Jaguar&#39;s Golden Sand and that was the inspiration for Golden Beige M=
etallic.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 1=
5, 2018, 12:21 HealeyRick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">healey=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">I remember seeing E-Types in a Metallic Golden =
Beige similar color and thought it might be called champagne, but the only =
one I could find using that name is a Raymond Loewy custom:=C2=A0=C2=A0<a h=
ref=3D"https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19363/lot/39/" target=3D"_blank" re=
l=3D"noreferrer">https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19363/lot/39/</a>=C2=A0 T=
he standard EType color is called &quot;Golden Sand&quot;.</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div>Rick Neville</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 7:28 AM BJ8Healeys &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">&quot;Champagne=
&quot; was not an original color, but Metallic Golden Beige was.=C2=A0 It s=
eems that some high-dollar restorers are very partial to gold on BJ8s and i=
t has become the new &quot;Re-sale Red&quot;. <br>
This car has a replacement VIN plate that is rather crudely stamped.=C2=A0 =
I&#39;ve seen beautifully restored BJ8s that turn out to have replacement V=
IN plates, body plates from other cars, engines from a second, and a third =
number stamped on the shock tower.=C2=A0 Just because they are beautiful do=
esn&#39;t guarantee their integrity.<br>
<br>
Steve Byers<br>
HBJ8L/36666<br>
BJ8 Registry<br>
AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
Havelock, NC=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
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From: Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>] On Be=
half Of Bob Spidell<br>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">[email-masked]</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction<br>
<br>
Not MGB, but &#39;champagne.&#39;=C2=A0 Was that an original color?=C2=A0 T=
his one came <br>
from the factory in white; maybe that&#39;s why it didn&#39;t sell?<br>
<br>
Not the best seat upholstery I&#39;ve seen, and is the shift lever bent, or=
 <br>
is it an illusion?=C2=A0 And the fluid reservoir spoils an otherwise nice <=
br>
engine bay presentation.=C2=A0 Nice car, nonetheless.<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:<br>
&gt; Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, but <br>
&gt; apparently didn&#39;t make reserve.=C2=A0 I think the hammer price was=
 <br>
&gt; $67,500.=C2=A0 Comments anyone?=C2=A0 Steve Byers, is this one in your=
 register?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-=
1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-=
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From: Curtis Arndt <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 10:04:50 -0700

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FWIW...

Obviously, there are some issues with this car.

Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also brings up
another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered convertibles came
with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to have leather seats.
I don't know the percentage off the top of my head, but it may have been
less than 5%.  I will check.

<Leather on BJ8=E2=80=99s was an option on home market cars (England). Very=
 few
original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats -- =E2=80=
=9CLeather
trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs=E2=80=9D was listed as an a=
vailable
option for BJ8's.>

For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is supposedly a 1965
(chassis no. *30659*), and as such it would have had the single plastic
side lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors instead of the
second set of amber plastic turn signal lights?

>From the 2018 Guidelines...

<BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher unit with
a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas type
692), up through Phase II BJ8 (C) *31337* (B) 76137.

Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single beehive-shaped
red lens, on the fender just above the bumper, were used on all Healeys up
to Phase II BJ8 Car No. *31336* (B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to
c. 26704).  With that car, the upper reflectors were replaced with separate
turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and amber plastic lenses
and the lower lights were replaced  with tail/brake lights with red plastic
lenses. Both upper and lower lights on these later cars were Lucas type 692
through the end of production.>

Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front wing wheel
opening?  The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and the opening is not
consistently round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening.  Maybe it's
the angle of the photo, I don't know?  The left front opening looks much
better.

All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall, any criticisms
can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may
reflect these observations. It is an overall good looking car none the
less, even with its flaws.

Cheers,

Curt

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was restored
> there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.
> > Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One previous owner recorded in Ne=
w
> Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BM=
C
> Classics in April 2008.
> > > $67,500.  Comments anyone?  Steve Byers, is this one in your register=
?
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
> >

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>FWIW...</div><div><br></div>Obviously, there are some=
 issues with this car.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Regarding the seats, =
I agree, the fit is terrible and that also brings up another issue in that =
the vast majority of US delivered convertibles came with vinyl interiors, a=
nd it was a very rare option to have leather seats. I don&#39;t know the pe=
rcentage off the top of my head, but it may have been less than 5%.=C2=A0 I=
 will check.</div><div><br></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-fontstyle0" styl=
e=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&lt;Leath=
er on BJ8=E2=80=99s was an option on home market cars (England). Very few o=
riginal American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats --=C2=A0</sp=
an><span class=3D"gmail-fontstyle2" style=3D"font-family:Arial-BoldMT;font-=
size:10pt;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(0,0,0)">=E2=80=9CLeather trim for seat=
s, armrest and rear folding squabs=E2=80=9D </span><span class=3D"gmail-fon=
tstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,=
0)">was listed as an available option for BJ8&#39;s.&gt;</span><br style=3D=
"font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:nor=
mal;text-align:-webkit-auto"></div><div><br></div><div>For me the biggest p=
otential issue is that this car is supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. <u>30659<=
/u>), and as such it would have had the single plastic side lights up front=
 and also in the rear, with reflectors instead of the second set of amber p=
lastic turn signal lights?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>From the 20=
18 Guidelines...</div><div><br></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-fontstyle0" =
style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&lt;<=
/span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size=
:10pt">BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher uni=
t with a=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOld=
Style;font-size:10pt">white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in prof=
ile (Lucas type 692), up=C2=A0</span><span class=3D"gmail-fontstyle0" style=
=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">through Ph=
ase II BJ8 (C) <u>31337</u> (B) 76137.</span></div><div><span class=3D"gmai=
l-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb=
(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Rear combination=
 tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single beehive-shaped red lens, on th=
e fender just above the bumper, were used on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8=
 Car No. <u>31336</u> (B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).=
=C2=A0 With that car, the upper reflectors were replaced with separate turn=
-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and amber plastic lenses and th=
e lower lights were=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family=
:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">replaced=C2=A0=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"=
color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">with tail/brak=
e lights with red plastic lenses. Both upper and lower lights=C2=A0</span><=
span class=3D"gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-s=
ize:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">on these later cars were Lucas type 692 through =
the end of production.&gt;</span></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div>Did anyo=
ne else notice in the very first photo the right front wing wheel opening?=
=C2=A0 The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and the opening is not consi=
stently round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening.=C2=A0 Maybe it&#39;=
s the angle of the photo, I don&#39;t know?=C2=A0 The left front opening lo=
oks much better.</div><div><br></div><div>All this said, it&#39;s easy to p=
ick a car apart and overall, any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a co=
st, but then the high bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations. It is a=
n overall good looking car none the less, even with its flaws.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Curt</div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie =
Baldwin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mgch=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">St=
eve, I&#39;m glad you have it in the registry.<br>
Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was restored th=
ere, but I didn&#39;t know for sure, so didn&#39;t want to credit/blame the=
m.<br>
It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not very well as so=
meone else mentioned.<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sbyers=
@ec.rr.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Charlie Baldwin:=C2=A0 strange that I never received your original mes=
sage via the list (yet).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Yes, I have the car in the registry.=C2=A0 One previous owner recorded=
 in New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holze=
r&#39;s BMC Classics in April 2008.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Steve Byers<br>
&gt; HBJ8L/36666<br>
&gt; BJ8 Registry<br>
&gt; AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
&gt; Havelock, NC=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] On Behalf Of Bob Sp=
idell<br>
&gt; Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healey=
[email-masked]</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Not MGB, but &#39;champagne.&#39;=C2=A0 Was that an original color?=C2=
=A0 This one came <br>
&gt; from the factory in white; maybe that&#39;s why it didn&#39;t sell?<br=
&gt; <br>
&gt; Not the best seat upholstery I&#39;ve seen, and is the shift lever ben=
t, or <br>
&gt; is it an illusion?=C2=A0 And the fluid reservoir spoils an otherwise n=
ice <br>
&gt; engine bay presentation.=C2=A0 Nice car, nonetheless.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Bob<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, but =
<br>
&gt; &gt; apparently didn&#39;t make reserve.=C2=A0 I think the hammer pric=
e was <br>
&gt; &gt; $67,500.=C2=A0 Comments anyone?=C2=A0 Steve Byers, is this one in=
 your register?<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r=
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Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 09:04:31 -0400

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 From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but 
it doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the 
chassis number there.

On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
> So Charlie,
>
> Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right front 
> shock tower.
>
> To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's.  They 
> had _glass_ "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights, 
> reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door handles and the lower 
> rear axle.  They DID have the wood dash and of course the larger 
> engine making them BJ8s not BJ7s.
>
> Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior...
>
> https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13
>
> Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations.  When they first 
> came out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and 
> rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door 
> handles.
>
> Here's another nice example in Black w/red interior...
>
> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii
>
> In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights, two 
> front and two rear.
>
> One final example in Black over Red w/ a red interior...
>
> https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721
>
> This should clear things up.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Curt
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked] 
>
>     So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car
>     with that chassis number should look like. Don't BJ8s have the
>     chassis number stamped on the right front shock mount?  So it may
>     be titled with the wrong chassis number.  That is a greater
>     concern to me than being the wrong color or having poorly fitting
>     seat covers.  The poorly stamped chassis number plate could be
>     part of the issue also.
>
>     When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought
>     that it probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts
>     lights.  Then I figured it was just an error on the year they put
>     on the title.  But this is much more serious an issue since the
>     chassis number does not indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it
>     definitely looks like one.
>
>     Charlie
>
>
>     On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
>>     FWIW...
>>
>>     Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also
>>     brings up another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered
>>     convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare
>>     option to have leather seats. I don't know the percentage off the
>>     top of my head, but it may have been less than 5%.  I will check.
>>
>>     <Leather on BJ8’s was an option on home market cars (England).
>>     Very few original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with
>>     leather seats -- “Leather trim for seats, armrest and rear
>>     folding squabs” was listed as an available option for BJ8's.>
>>
>>     For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is supposedly
>>     a 1965 (chassis no. _30659_), and as such it would have had the
>>     single plastic side lights up front and also in the rear, with
>>     reflectors instead of the second set of amber plastic turn signal
>>     lights?
>>
>>     <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher
>>     unit with a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in
>>     profile (Lucas type 692), up through Phase II BJ8 (C) _31337_ (B)
>>     76137.
>>
>>     Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single
>>     beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the bumper,
>>     were used on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. _31336_ (B)
>>     76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).  With that car,
>>     the upper reflectors were replaced with separate turn-signal
>>     lights (with a larger body fairing) and amber plastic lenses and
>>     the lower lights were replaced with tail/brake lights with red
>>     plastic lenses. Both upper and lower lights on these later cars
>>     were Lucas type 692 through the end of production.>
>>     Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front
>>     wing wheel opening?  The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and
>>     the opening is not consistently round? Compare to the right rear
>>     wheel opening.  Maybe it's the angle of the photo, I don't know? 
>>     The left front opening looks much better.
>>
>>     All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall, any
>>     criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high
>>     bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations. It is an overall
>>     good looking car none the less, even with its flaws.
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>     Curt
>>
>>     On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin
>>
>>         Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it
>>         was restored there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't
>>         want to credit/blame them.
>>         > On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys <[email-masked]
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One previous owner
>>         recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then
>>         restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC Classics in April 2008.
>>         >
>>         > Steve Byers
>>         > HBJ8L/36666
>>         > BJ8 Registry
>>         > AHCA Delegate at Large
>>         > Havelock, NC
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]

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    <p>From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped
      there, but it doesn't match any other other number on the car, but
      BJ8s do have the chassis number there.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
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                <div dir="ltr">So Charlie,
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped
                    on the right front shock tower. <br>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very
                      similar to BJ7's.  They had <u>glass</u>
                      "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights,
                      reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door
                      handles and the lower rear axle.  They DID have
                      the wood dash and of course the larger engine
                      making them BJ8s not BJ7s.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Here's a nice example in Black w/red
                      interior...  <br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><a
href="https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&amp;slide=13"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&amp;slide=13</a></div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of
                      variations.  When they first came out in 1964-5
                      they now had the single plastic lights front and
                      rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear end,
                      and push button door handles.</div>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Here's another nice example in Black w/red
                    interior...</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a
href="https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii</a><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all
                    plastic lights, two front and two rear.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>One final example in Black over Red w/ a red
                    interior...</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a
href="https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721</a><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>This should clear things up.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Cheers,</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Curt</div>
                </div>
              </div>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin
          &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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            <p>So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match
              what a car with that chassis number should look like. 
              Don't BJ8s have the chassis number stamped on the right
              front shock mount?  So it may be titled with the wrong
              chassis number.  That is a greater concern to me than
              being the wrong color or having poorly fitting seat
              covers.  The poorly stamped chassis number plate could be
              part of the issue also.</p>
            <p>When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction,
              I thought that it probably isn't really a '65 due to the
              double parking/ts lights.  Then I figured it was just an
              error on the year they put on the title.  But this is much
              more serious an issue since the chassis number does not
              indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks
              like one.</p>
            <p>Charlie<br>
            </p>
            <br>
            <div
              class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262moz-cite-prefix">On
              10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <div dir="ltr">
                <div>FWIW...</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                Obviously, there are some issues with this car.  
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible
                  and that also brings up another issue in that the vast
                  majority of US delivered convertibles came with vinyl
                  interiors, and it was a very rare option to have
                  leather seats. I don't know the percentage off the top
                  of my head, but it may have been less than 5%.  I will
                  check.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><span
                    class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&lt;Leather
                    on BJ8’s was an option on home market cars
                    (England). Very few original American LHD BJ8 have
                    been observed with leather seats -- </span><span
                    class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle2"
style="font-family:Arial-BoldMT;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(0,0,0)">“Leather
                    trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs” </span><span
class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
                    style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">was
                    listed as an available option for BJ8's.&gt;</span><br
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto">
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>For me the biggest potential issue is that this car
                  is supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. <u>30659</u>), and
                  as such it would have had the single plastic side
                  lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors
                  instead of the second set of amber plastic turn signal
                  lights?  </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>From the 2018 Guidelines...</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><span
                    class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&lt;</span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">BJ8s
                    from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn
                    flasher unit with a </span><span
                    style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">white
                    plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile
                    (Lucas type 692), up </span><span
                    class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">through
                    Phase II BJ8 (C) <u>31337</u> (B) 76137.</span></div>
                <div><span
                    class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                  </span></div>
                <div><span
                    class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Rear
                    combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a
                    single beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just
                    above the bumper, were used on all Healeys up to
                    Phase II BJ8 Car No. <u>31336</u> (B) 76138 (type
                    594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).  With that car,
                    the upper reflectors were replaced with separate
                    turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and
                    amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">replaced  </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">with
                    tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses. Both
                    upper and lower lights </span><span
                    class="m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">on
                    these later cars were Lucas type 692 through the end
                    of production.&gt;</span></div>
                <div>  </div>
                <div>Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the
                  right front wing wheel opening?  The metal work looks
                  a bit inconsistent and the opening is not consistently
                  round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening.  Maybe
                  it's the angle of the photo, I don't know?  The left
                  front opening looks much better.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and
                  overall, any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a
                  cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may reflect
                  these observations. It is an overall good looking car
                  none the less, even with its flaws.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Cheers,</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Curt</div>
              </div>
              <br>
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                <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie
                  Baldwin &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
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                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Steve,
                  I'm glad you have it in the registry.<br>
                  Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show
                  that it was restored there, but I didn't know for
                  sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.<br>
                  It appears that leather seat covers were installed,
                  but not very well as someone else mentioned.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  &gt; On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys &lt;<a
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                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Charlie Baldwin:  strange that I never received
                  your original message via the list (yet).<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One
                  previous owner recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA member
                  1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC
                  Classics in April 2008.<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Steve Byers<br>
                  &gt; HBJ8L/36666<br>
                  &gt; BJ8 Registry<br>
                  &gt; AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
                  &gt; Havelock, NC  <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
                  &gt; From: Healeys [mailto:<a
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>]
                  On Behalf Of Bob Spidell<br>
                  &gt; Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
                  &gt; To: <a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a><br>
                  &gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Not MGB, but 'champagne.'  Was that an original
                  color?  This one came <br>
                  &gt; from the factory in white; maybe that's why it
                  didn't sell?<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is
                  the shift lever bent, or <br>
                  &gt; is it an illusion?  And the fluid reservoir
                  spoils an otherwise nice <br>
                  &gt; engine bay presentation.  Nice car, nonetheless.<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Bob<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:<br>
                  &gt; &gt; Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was
                  in the auction, but <br>
                  &gt; &gt; apparently didn't make reserve.  I think the
                  hammer price was <br>
                  &gt; &gt; $67,500.  Comments anyone?  Steve Byers, is
                  this one in your register?<br>
                  &gt; &gt;<br>
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BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock towers.

Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
      _______                                  _______
     (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
         (_________________________)
          BT7 engine and disk brakes

1967 MGB  

A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but it
> doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the
> chassis number there.
>
> Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right front shoc=
k
> tower.
>
> To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's.  They had
> *glass* "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights, reflectors,
> the pull versus the push-button door handles and the lower rear axle.  Th=
ey
> DID have the wood dash and of course the larger engine making them BJ8s n=
ot
> BJ7s.
> https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&slid=
e=3D13
>
> Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations.  When they first came
> out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and rear with
> the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door handles.
>
> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-hea=
ley-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>> So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car with
>> that chassis number should look like.  Don't BJ8s have the chassis numbe=
r
>> stamped on the right front shock mount?  So it may be titled with the wr=
ong
>> chassis number.  That is a greater concern to me than being the wrong co=
lor
>> or having poorly fitting seat covers.  The poorly stamped chassis number
>> plate could be part of the issue also.
>>
>> When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought that
>> it probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts lights.  The=
n I
>> figured it was just an error on the year they put on the title.  But thi=
s
>> is much more serious an issue since the chassis number does not indicate=
 it
>> is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also brings u=
p
>> another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered convertibles cam=
e
>> with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to have leather seat=
s.
>> <Leather on BJ8=E2=80=99s was an option on home market cars (England). V=
ery few
>> original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats -- =E2=
=80=9CLeather
>> trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs=E2=80=9D was listed as a=
n
>> available option for BJ8's.>
>>
>> side lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors instead of th=
e
>> <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher unit
>> with a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas
>> type 692), up through Phase II BJ8 (C) *31337* (B) 76137.
>>
>> beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the bumper, were used =
on
>> all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. *31336* (B) 76138 (type 594 on
>> 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).  With that car, the upper reflectors were
>> replaced with separate turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) a=
nd
>> amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were replaced  with tail/brake
>> lights with red plastic lenses. Both upper and lower lights on these
>> later cars were Lucas type 692 through the end of production.>
>>
>> Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front wing whee=
l
>>> Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was restore=
d
>>> It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not very well a=
s
>>> someone else mentioned.
>>> > Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One previous owner recorded in
>>> New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holze=
r's
>>> BMC Classics in April 2008.
>>> >
>>> > Steve Byers
>>> > HBJ8L/36666
>>> > BJ8 Registry
>>> > AHCA Delegate at Large
>>> > Havelock, NC
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-=
healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock towers.<=
div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-=
smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</d=
iv><div><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______</=
span><br style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_____=
_ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</span><br style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New=
 Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,ser=
if">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)</span></d=
iv><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes</div>=
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>1967 MGB =C2=A0<img src=3D"http://www.br=
itishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=3D"MG"></div><div>=
<br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:&quot;Helveti=
ca Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">A racing car is an=
 animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</span><br></div><div>Pl=
ease excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words</div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue=
, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgcharlie@=
comcast.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
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  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    <p>From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped
      there, but it doesn&#39;t match any other other number on the car, bu=
t
      BJ8s do have the chassis number there.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105moz-cite-prefix">On 10/15/2018 8:06=
 PM, Curtis Arndt
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">
          <div dir=3D"ltr">
            <div dir=3D"ltr">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">
                <div dir=3D"ltr">So Charlie,
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped
                    on the right front shock tower.=C2=A0<br>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>To be clear, Phase I BJ8&#39;s (1964) looked very
                      similar to BJ7&#39;s.=C2=A0 They had <u>glass</u>
                      &quot;Beehive&quot; front parking/side and rear stop =
lights,
                      reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door
                      handles and the lower rear axle.=C2=A0 They DID have
                      the wood dash and of course the larger engine
                      making them BJ8s not BJ7s.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Here&#39;s a nice example in Black w/red
                      interior...=C2=A0=C2=A0<br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><a href=3D"https://www.erclassics.com/austin-heale=
y-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&amp;slide=3D13" target=3D"_blank">https://www=
.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&amp;slide=3D13</a=
></div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Now Phase II BJ8&#39;s came in a number of
                      variations.=C2=A0 When they first came out in 1964-5
                      they now had the single plastic lights front and
                      rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear end,
                      and push button door handles.</div>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Here&#39;s another nice example in Black w/red
                    interior...</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/a=
uction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-=
healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii</a><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>In &#39;66 and &#39;67 we have the final version wit=
h all
                    plastic lights, two front and two rear.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>One final example in Black over Red w/ a red
                    interior...</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a href=3D"https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail=
/austinhealey-3000-544721" target=3D"_blank">https://www.tradeuniquecars.co=
m.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721</a><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>This should clear things up.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Cheers,</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Curt</div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin
          &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mg=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
          <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
            <p>So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match
              what a car with that chassis number should look like.=C2=A0
              Don&#39;t BJ8s have the chassis number stamped on the right
              front shock mount?=C2=A0 So it may be titled with the wrong
              chassis number.=C2=A0 That is a greater concern to me than
              being the wrong color or having poorly fitting seat
              covers.=C2=A0 The poorly stamped chassis number plate could b=
e
              part of the issue also.</p>
            <p>When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction,
              I thought that it probably isn&#39;t really a &#39;65 due to =
the
              double parking/ts lights.=C2=A0 Then I figured it was just an
              error on the year they put on the title.=C2=A0 But this is mu=
ch
              more serious an issue since the chassis number does not
              indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks
              like one.</p>
            <p>Charlie<br>
            </p>
            <br>
            <div class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-15=
32920764489079262moz-cite-prefix">On
              10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type=3D"cite">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">
                <div>FWIW...</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                Obviously, there are some issues with this car.=C2=A0=C2=A0
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible
                  and that also brings up another issue in that the vast
                  majority of US delivered convertibles came with vinyl
                  interiors, and it was a very rare option to have
                  leather seats. I don&#39;t know the percentage off the to=
p
                  of my head, but it may have been less than 5%.=C2=A0 I wi=
ll
                  check.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><span class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-28972486592805=
25698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOl=
dStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&lt;Leather
                    on BJ8=E2=80=99s was an option on home market cars
                    (England). Very few original American LHD BJ8 have
                    been observed with leather seats --=C2=A0</span><span c=
lass=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262g=
mail-fontstyle2" style=3D"font-family:Arial-BoldMT;font-size:10pt;font-weig=
ht:bold;color:rgb(0,0,0)">=E2=80=9CLeather
                    trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs=E2=80=
=9D </span><span class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-15=
32920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;fon=
t-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">was
                    listed as an available option for BJ8&#39;s.&gt;</span>=
<br style=3D"font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;lin=
e-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto">
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>For me the biggest potential issue is that this car
                  is supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. <u>30659</u>), and
                  as such it would have had the single plastic side
                  lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors
                  instead of the second set of amber plastic turn signal
                  lights?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>From the 2018 Guidelines...</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><span class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-28972486592805=
25698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOl=
dStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&lt;</span><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">BJ8s
                    from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn
                    flasher unit with a=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">white
                    plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile
                    (Lucas type 692), up=C2=A0</span><span class=3D"m_-3509=
005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0=
" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">thr=
ough
                    Phase II BJ8 (C) <u>31337</u> (B) 76137.</span></div>
                <div><span class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-28972486592805=
25698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOl=
dStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                  </span></div>
                <div><span class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-28972486592805=
25698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOl=
dStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Rear
                    combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a
                    single beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just
                    above the bumper, were used on all Healeys up to
                    Phase II BJ8 Car No. <u>31336</u> (B) 76138 (type
                    594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).=C2=A0 With that ca=
r,
                    the upper reflectors were replaced with separate
                    turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and
                    amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were=C2=A0</s=
pan><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:1=
0pt">replaced=C2=A0=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family=
:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">with
                    tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses. Both
                    upper and lower lights=C2=A0</span><span class=3D"m_-35=
09005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyl=
e0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">o=
n
                    these later cars were Lucas type 692 through the end
                    of production.&gt;</span></div>
                <div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>
                <div>Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the
                  right front wing wheel opening?=C2=A0 The metal work look=
s
                  a bit inconsistent and the opening is not consistently
                  round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening.=C2=A0 May=
be
                  it&#39;s the angle of the photo, I don&#39;t know?=C2=A0 =
The left
                  front opening looks much better.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>All this said, it&#39;s easy to pick a car apart and
                  overall, any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a
                  cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may reflect
                  these observations. It is an overall good looking car
                  none the less, even with its flaws.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Cheers,</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Curt</div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                <div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie
                  Baldwin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Steve,
                  I&#39;m glad you have it in the registry.<br>
                  Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show
                  that it was restored there, but I didn&#39;t know for
                  sure, so didn&#39;t want to credit/blame them.<br>
                  It appears that leather seat covers were installed,
                  but not very well as someone else mentioned.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  &gt; On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Charlie Baldwin:=C2=A0 strange that I never received
                  your original message via the list (yet).<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Yes, I have the car in the registry.=C2=A0 One
                  previous owner recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA member
                  1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer&#39;s BMC
                  Classics in April 2008.<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Steve Byers<br>
                  &gt; HBJ8L/36666<br>
                  &gt; BJ8 Registry<br>
                  &gt; AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
                  &gt; Havelock, NC=C2=A0 <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
                  &gt; From: Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-boun=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>]
                  On Behalf Of Bob Spidell<br>
                  &gt; Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
                  &gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>
                  &gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Not MGB, but &#39;champagne.&#39;=C2=A0 Was that an =
original
                  color?=C2=A0 This one came <br>
                  &gt; from the factory in white; maybe that&#39;s why it
                  didn&#39;t sell?<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Not the best seat upholstery I&#39;ve seen, and is
                  the shift lever bent, or <br>
                  &gt; is it an illusion?=C2=A0 And the fluid reservoir
                  spoils an otherwise nice <br>
                  &gt; engine bay presentation.=C2=A0 Nice car, nonetheless=
.<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Bob<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:<br>
                  &gt; &gt; Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was
                  in the auction, but <br>
                  &gt; &gt; apparently didn&#39;t make reserve.=C2=A0 I thi=
nk the
                  hammer price was <br>
                  &gt; &gt; $67,500.=C2=A0 Comments anyone?=C2=A0 Steve Bye=
rs, is
                  this one in your register?<br>
                  &gt; &gt;<br>
                  &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/h=
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My BT7 Mk. II has a number on the shock tower, but it isn't the chassis 
number.

On 10/16/2018 1:30 PM, i erbs wrote:
> 1967 MGB MG
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin 
>
>     From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there,
>     but it doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s
>     do have the chassis number there.
>
>
>>     Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right
>>     front shock tower.
>>
>>     To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's. 
>>     They had _glass_ "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop
>>     lights, reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door handles
>>     and the lower rear axle.  They DID have the wood dash and of
>>     course the larger engine making them BJ8s not BJ7s.
>>
>>     Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations.  When they
>>     first came out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights
>>     front and rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and
>>     push button door handles.
>>
>>     In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights,
>>     two front and two rear.
>>
>>     On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin
>>
>>         So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what
>>         a car with that chassis number should look like.  Don't BJ8s
>>         have the chassis number stamped on the right front shock
>>         mount?  So it may be titled with the wrong chassis number. 
>>         That is a greater concern to me than being the wrong color or
>>         having poorly fitting seat covers.  The poorly stamped
>>         chassis number plate could be part of the issue also.
>>
>>         When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I
>>         thought that it probably isn't really a '65 due to the double
>>         parking/ts lights.  Then I figured it was just an error on
>>         the year they put on the title.  But this is much more
>>         serious an issue since the chassis number does not indicate
>>         it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.
>>
>>         Charlie
>>
>>
>>>         Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that
>>>         also brings up another issue in that the vast majority of US
>>>         delivered convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it was
>>>         a very rare option to have leather seats. I don't know the
>>>         percentage off the top of my head, but it may have been less
>>>         than 5%.  I will check.
>>>
>>>         <Leather on BJ8’s was an option on home market cars
>>>         (England). Very few original American LHD BJ8 have been
>>>         observed with leather seats -- “Leather trim for seats,
>>>         armrest and rear folding squabs” was listed as an available
>>>         option for BJ8's.>
>>>
>>>         For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is
>>>         supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. _30659_), and as such it
>>>         would have had the single plastic side lights up front and
>>>         also in the rear, with reflectors instead of the second set
>>>         of amber plastic turn signal lights?
>>>
>>>         <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn
>>>         flasher unit with a white plastic lens that is larger and
>>>         flatter in profile (Lucas type 692), up through Phase II BJ8
>>>         (C) _31337_ (B) 76137.
>>>
>>>         beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the
>>>         bumper, were used on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No.
>>>         _31336_ (B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c.
>>>         26704).  With that car, the upper reflectors were replaced
>>>         with separate turn-signal lights (with a larger body
>>>         fairing) and amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were
>>>         replaced with tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses.
>>>         Both upper and lower lights on these later cars were Lucas
>>>         type 692 through the end of production.>
>>>         Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right
>>>         front wing wheel opening?  The metal work looks a bit
>>>         inconsistent and the opening is not consistently round?
>>>         Compare to the right rear wheel opening.  Maybe it's the
>>>         angle of the photo, I don't know?  The left front opening
>>>         looks much better.
>>>
>>>         All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall,
>>>         any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then
>>>         the high bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations. It is
>>>         an overall good looking car none the less, even with its flaws.
>>>
>>>         Cheers,
>>>
>>>         Curt
>>>
>>>             Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that
>>>             it was restored there, but I didn't know for sure, so
>>>             didn't want to credit/blame them.
>>>             > On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys
>>>             >
>>>             >
>>>             > Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One previous
>>>             owner recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 -
>>>             1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC Classics in
>>>             April 2008.
>>>             >
>>>             > Steve Byers
>>>             > HBJ8L/36666
>>>             > BJ8 Registry
>>>             > AHCA Delegate at Large
>>>             > Havelock, NC
>>>             >
>>>             >
>>>             >
>>>             Bob Spidell

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    <p>My BT7 Mk. II has a number on the shock tower, but it isn't the
      chassis number.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/16/2018 1:30 PM, i erbs wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock
        towers.
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                                        <div dir="ltr">Ira Erbs
                                          <div>Portland,OR</div>
                                          <div><span
                                              style="font-family:'Times
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                                              (______ \____1959 BN4____/
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                                          <div>          BT7 engine and
                                            disk brakes</div>
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                                          <div>1967 MGB  <img
                                              src="http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg"
                                              alt="MG"
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                                              style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:&quot;Helvetica
Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">A racing car is an
                                              animal with a thousand
                                              adjustments. Mario
                                              Andretti</span><br>
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                                          <div>Please excuse random auto
                                            corrects and misspelled
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        <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin
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            <p>From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number
              stamped there, but it doesn't match any other other number
              on the car, but BJ8s do have the chassis number there.<br>
            </p>
            <br>
            <div class="m_-3509005414954637105moz-cite-prefix">On
              10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<br>
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                        <div dir="ltr">So Charlie,
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                          <div>Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number
                            stamped on the right front shock tower. <br>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964)
                              looked very similar to BJ7's.  They had <u>glass</u>
                              "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop
                              lights, reflectors, the pull versus the
                              push-button door handles and the lower
                              rear axle.  They DID have the wood dash
                              and of course the larger engine making
                              them BJ8s not BJ7s.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Here's a nice example in Black w/red
                              interior...  <br>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div><a
href="https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&amp;slide=13"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&amp;slide=13</a></div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of
                              variations.  When they first came out in
                              1964-5 they now had the single plastic
                              lights front and rear with the reflectors,
                              the jacked up rear end, and push button
                              door handles.</div>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Here's another nice example in Black
                            w/red interior...</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><a
href="https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii</a><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>In '66 and '67 we have the final version
                            with all plastic lights, two front and two
                            rear.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>One final example in Black over Red w/ a
                            red interior...</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><a
href="https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721</a><br>
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                          <div>This should clear things up.</div>
                          <div><br>
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                          <div>Cheers,</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Curt</div>
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                <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie
                  Baldwin &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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                  wrote:<br>
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                    <p>So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not
                      match what a car with that chassis number should
                      look like.  Don't BJ8s have the chassis number
                      stamped on the right front shock mount?  So it may
                      be titled with the wrong chassis number.  That is
                      a greater concern to me than being the wrong color
                      or having poorly fitting seat covers.  The poorly
                      stamped chassis number plate could be part of the
                      issue also.</p>
                    <p>When I saw it on the screen when it came up for
                      auction, I thought that it probably isn't really a
                      '65 due to the double parking/ts lights.  Then I
                      figured it was just an error on the year they put
                      on the title.  But this is much more serious an
                      issue since the chassis number does not indicate
                      it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like
                      one.</p>
                    <p>Charlie<br>
                    </p>
                    <br>
                    <div
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262moz-cite-prefix">On
                      10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<br>
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                        <div>FWIW...</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        Obviously, there are some issues with this
                        car.  
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is
                          terrible and that also brings up another issue
                          in that the vast majority of US delivered
                          convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it
                          was a very rare option to have leather seats.
                          I don't know the percentage off the top of my
                          head, but it may have been less than 5%.  I
                          will check.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&lt;Leather
                            on BJ8’s was an option on home market cars
                            (England). Very few original American LHD
                            BJ8 have been observed with leather seats
                            -- </span><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle2"
style="font-family:Arial-BoldMT;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(0,0,0)">“Leather
                            trim for seats, armrest and rear folding
                            squabs” </span><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">was
                            listed as an available option for BJ8's.&gt;</span><br
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto">
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>For me the biggest potential issue is that
                          this car is supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. <u>30659</u>),
                          and as such it would have had the single
                          plastic side lights up front and also in the
                          rear, with reflectors instead of the second
                          set of amber plastic turn signal lights?  </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>From the 2018 Guidelines...</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&lt;</span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">BJ8s
                            from Car No. 26705 have a single front
                            parking/turn flasher unit with a </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">white
                            plastic lens that is larger and flatter in
                            profile (Lucas type 692), up </span><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">through
                            Phase II BJ8 (C) <u>31337</u> (B) 76137.</span></div>
                        <div><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                          </span></div>
                        <div><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Rear
                            combination tail/turn signal/brake lights
                            with a single beehive-shaped red lens, on
                            the fender just above the bumper, were used
                            on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. <u>31336</u>
                            (B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c.
                            26704).  With that car, the upper reflectors
                            were replaced with separate turn-signal
                            lights (with a larger body fairing) and
                            amber plastic lenses and the lower lights
                            were </span><span
                            style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">replaced  </span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">with
                            tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses.
                            Both upper and lower lights </span><span
class="m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"
style="font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">on
                            these later cars were Lucas type 692 through
                            the end of production.&gt;</span></div>
                        <div>  </div>
                        <div>Did anyone else notice in the very first
                          photo the right front wing wheel opening?  The
                          metal work looks a bit inconsistent and the
                          opening is not consistently round? Compare to
                          the right rear wheel opening.  Maybe it's the
                          angle of the photo, I don't know?  The left
                          front opening looks much better.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>All this said, it's easy to pick a car
                          apart and overall, any criticisms can be
                          repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high
                          bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations.
                          It is an overall good looking car none the
                          less, even with its flaws.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Cheers,</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Curt</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM
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                          solid;padding-left:1ex">Steve, I'm glad you
                          have it in the registry.<br>
                          Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car
                          show that it was restored there, but I didn't
                          know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame
                          them.<br>
                          It appears that leather seat covers were
                          installed, but not very well as someone else
                          mentioned.<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          &gt; On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys
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                          &gt; Charlie Baldwin:  strange that I never
                          received your original message via the list
                          (yet).<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One
                          previous owner recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA
                          member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut
                          Holzer's BMC Classics in April 2008.<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Steve Byers<br>
                          &gt; HBJ8L/36666<br>
                          &gt; BJ8 Registry<br>
                          &gt; AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
                          &gt; Havelock, NC  <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
                          &gt; From: Healeys [mailto:<a
                            href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>]
                          On Behalf Of Bob Spidell<br>
                          &gt; Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
                          &gt; To: <a
                            href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a><br>
                          &gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey
                          auction<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Not MGB, but 'champagne.'  Was that an
                          original color?  This one came <br>
                          &gt; from the factory in white; maybe that's
                          why it didn't sell?<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Not the best seat upholstery I've seen,
                          and is the shift lever bent, or <br>
                          &gt; is it an illusion?  And the fluid
                          reservoir spoils an otherwise nice <br>
                          &gt; engine bay presentation.  Nice car,
                          nonetheless.<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Bob<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin
                          wrote:<br>
                          &gt; &gt; Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8
                          that was in the auction, but <br>
                          &gt; &gt; apparently didn't make reserve.  I
                          think the hammer price was <br>
                          &gt; &gt; $67,500.  Comments anyone?  Steve
                          Byers, is this one in your register?<br>
                          &gt; &gt;<br>
                          &gt; &gt; <a
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My "1959 BN-4" has a number stamped on the chassis near there ...Does not m=
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Jim
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    On Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 9:51:46 AM PDT, Charlie Baldwin <mgcharli=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
  =20
>From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but it d=
oesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the chassi=
s number there.
=20
=20
 On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
 =20
      So Charlie,=20
  Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right front shoc=
k tower.=C2=A0
=20
  To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's.=C2=A0 The=
y had glass "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights, reflectors, =
the pull versus the push-button door handles and the lower rear axle.=C2=A0=
 They DID have the wood dash and of course the larger engine making them BJ=
8s not BJ7s.=20
  Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior...=C2=A0=C2=A0
 =20
  https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&slid=
e=3D13=20
  Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations.=C2=A0 When they first =
came out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and rear wi=
th the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door handles. =
=20
  Here's another nice example in Black w/red interior...=20
  https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-hea=
ley-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii
 =20
  In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights, two fro=
nt and two rear.=20
  One final example in Black over Red w/ a red interior...=20
  https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721
 =20
  This should clear things up.=20
  Cheers,=20
  Curt      =20
  On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
 =20
 =20
So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car with tha=
t chassis number should look like.=C2=A0 Don't BJ8s have the chassis number=
 stamped on the right front shock mount?=C2=A0 So it may be titled with the=
 wrong chassis number.=C2=A0 That is a greater concern to me than being the=
 wrong color or having poorly fitting seat covers.=C2=A0 The poorly stamped=
 chassis number plate could be part of the issue also.
=20
When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought that it =
probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts lights.=C2=A0 Then=
 I figured it was just an error on the year they put on the title.=C2=A0 Bu=
t this is much more serious an issue since the chassis number does not indi=
cate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.
=20
Charlie
=20
=20
 On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:
 =20
  FWIW...=20
  Obviously, there are some issues with this car.=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
  Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also brings up=
 another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered convertibles came =
with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to have leather seats. =
I don't know the percentage off the top of my head, but it may have been le=
ss than 5%.=C2=A0 I will check.=20
  <Leather on BJ8=E2=80=99s was an option on home market cars (England). Ve=
ry few original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats --=
=C2=A0=E2=80=9CLeather trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs=E2=
=80=9D was listed as an available option for BJ8's.>
 =20
  For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is supposedly a 1965 =
(chassis no. 30659), and as such it would have had the single plastic side =
lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors instead of the second=
 set of amber plastic turn signal lights?=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
  From the 2018 Guidelines...=20
  <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher unit wi=
th a=C2=A0white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas t=
ype 692), up=C2=A0through Phase II BJ8 (C) 31337 (B) 76137.=20
  Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single beehive-shap=
ed red lens, on the fender just above the bumper, were used on all Healeys =
up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. 31336 (B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to =
c. 26704).=C2=A0 With that car, the upper reflectors were replaced with sep=
arate turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and amber plastic len=
ses and the lower lights were=C2=A0replaced=C2=A0=C2=A0with tail/brake ligh=
ts with red plastic lenses. Both upper and lower lights=C2=A0on these later=
 cars were Lucas type 692 through the end of production.> =C2=A0=C2=A0 Did =
anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front wing wheel openi=
ng?=C2=A0 The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and the opening is not co=
nsistently round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening.=C2=A0 Maybe it's=
 the angle of the photo, I don't know?=C2=A0 The left front opening looks m=
uch better.=20
  All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall, any criticisms =
can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may refl=
ect these observations. It is an overall good looking car none the less, ev=
en with its flaws.=20
  Cheers,=20
  Curt =20
  On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
 =20
Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
 Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was restored t=
here, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.
 It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not very well as s=
omeone else mentioned.
=20
=20
 > Charlie Baldwin:=C2=A0 strange that I never received your original messa=
ge via the list (yet).
 >=20
 > Yes, I have the car in the registry.=C2=A0 One previous owner recorded i=
n New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer'=
s BMC Classics in April 2008.
 > Havelock, NC=C2=A0=20
 > From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Bob S=
pidell
 > Not MGB, but 'champagne.'=C2=A0 Was that an original color?=C2=A0 This o=
ne came=20
 > Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift lever bent, or=
=20
 > is it an illusion?=C2=A0 And the fluid reservoir spoils an otherwise nic=
e=20
 > engine bay presentation.=C2=A0 Nice car, nonetheless.
 >=20
 > Bob
 >=20
 >=20
 > > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, but=20
 > > apparently didn't make reserve.=C2=A0 I think the hammer price was=20
 > > $67,500.=C2=A0 Comments anyone?=C2=A0 Steve Byers, is this one in your=
 register?
 > >
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp8ce9863dyahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family: Helvetica\ Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: =
13px;"><div>My "1959 BN-4" has a number stamped on the chassis near there .=
..Does not match anything else found thus far in the excavation/restoration=
<br><div><br>Jim<br></div></div><div></div>
        <div><br></div><div><br></div>
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                <div>
                    On Tuesday, October 16, 2018, 9:51:46 AM PDT, Charlie B=
aldwin &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059">
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  <div>
    <p>From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped
      there, but it doesn't match any other other number on the car, but
      BJ8s do have the chassis number there.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059moz-cite-prefix">On 10/15/2018 8:=
06 PM, Curtis Arndt
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">
          <div dir=3D"ltr">
            <div dir=3D"ltr">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">
                <div dir=3D"ltr">So Charlie,
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped
                    on the right front shock tower.&nbsp;<br>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very
                      similar to BJ7's.&nbsp; They had <u>glass</u>
                      "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights,
                      reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door
                      handles and the lower rear axle.&nbsp; They DID have
                      the wood dash and of course the larger engine
                      making them BJ8s not BJ7s.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Here's a nice example in Black w/red
                      interior...&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><a href=3D"https://www.erclassics.com/austin-heale=
y-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&amp;slide=3D13" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_b=
lank">https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&=
amp;slide=3D13</a></div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of
                      variations.&nbsp; When they first came out in 1964-5
                      they now had the single plastic lights front and
                      rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear end,
                      and push button door handles.</div>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Here's another nice example in Black w/red
                    interior...</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/a=
uction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii" rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" target=3D"_blank">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/=
r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii</a><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all
                    plastic lights, two front and two rear.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>One final example in Black over Red w/ a red
                    interior...</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><a href=3D"https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail=
/austinhealey-3000-544721" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.t=
radeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721</a><br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>This should clear things up.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Cheers,</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Curt</div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin
          &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
          <div>
            <p>So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match
              what a car with that chassis number should look like.&nbsp;
              Don't BJ8s have the chassis number stamped on the right
              front shock mount?&nbsp; So it may be titled with the wrong
              chassis number.&nbsp; That is a greater concern to me than
              being the wrong color or having poorly fitting seat
              covers.&nbsp; The poorly stamped chassis number plate could b=
e
              part of the issue also.</p>
            <p>When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction,
              I thought that it probably isn't really a '65 due to the
              double parking/ts lights.&nbsp; Then I figured it was just an
              error on the year they put on the title.&nbsp; But this is mu=
ch
              more serious an issue since the chassis number does not
              indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks
              like one.</p>
            <p>Charlie<br>
            </p>
            <br>
            <div class=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059m_-2897248659280525698m_-=
1532920764489079262moz-cite-prefix">On
              10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type=3D"cite">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">
                <div>FWIW...</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                Obviously, there are some issues with this car.&nbsp;&nbsp;
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible
                  and that also brings up another issue in that the vast
                  majority of US delivered convertibles came with vinyl
                  interiors, and it was a very rare option to have
                  leather seats. I don't know the percentage off the top
                  of my head, but it may have been less than 5%.&nbsp; I wi=
ll
                  check.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><span class=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059m_-289724865928=
0525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:Bookman=
OldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);">&lt;Leather
                    on BJ8=E2=80=99s was an option on home market cars
                    (England). Very few original American LHD BJ8 have
                    been observed with leather seats --&nbsp;</span><span c=
lass=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059m_-2897248659280525698m_-153292076448907926=
2gmail-fontstyle2" style=3D"font-family:Arial-BoldMT;font-size:10pt;font-we=
ight:bold;color:rgb(0,0,0);">=E2=80=9CLeather
                    trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs=E2=80=
=9D </span><span class=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059m_-2897248659280525698m_-=
1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;f=
ont-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);">was
                    listed as an available option for BJ8's.&gt;</span><br =
style=3D"line-height:normal;">
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>For me the biggest potential issue is that this car
                  is supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. <u>30659</u>), and
                  as such it would have had the single plastic side
                  lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors
                  instead of the second set of amber plastic turn signal
                  lights?&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>From the 2018 Guidelines...</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><span class=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059m_-289724865928=
0525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:Bookman=
OldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);">&lt;</span><span style=3D"color:=
rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;">BJ8s
                    from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn
                    flasher unit with a&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;">white
                    plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile
                    (Lucas type 692), up&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"ydpcfc8=
4554yiv5358479059m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyl=
e0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);">=
through
                    Phase II BJ8 (C) <u>31337</u> (B) 76137.</span></div>
                <div><span class=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059m_-289724865928=
0525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:Bookman=
OldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);"><br>
                  </span></div>
                <div><span class=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059m_-289724865928=
0525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:Bookman=
OldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);">Rear
                    combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a
                    single beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just
                    above the bumper, were used on all Healeys up to
                    Phase II BJ8 Car No. <u>31336</u> (B) 76138 (type
                    594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).&nbsp; With that ca=
r,
                    the upper reflectors were replaced with separate
                    turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and
                    amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were&nbsp;</s=
pan><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:1=
0pt;">replaced&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-famil=
y:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;">with
                    tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses. Both
                    upper and lower lights&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"ydpcf=
c84554yiv5358479059m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontst=
yle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);=
">on
                    these later cars were Lucas type 692 through the end
                    of production.&gt;</span></div>
                <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
                <div>Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the
                  right front wing wheel opening?&nbsp; The metal work look=
s
                  a bit inconsistent and the opening is not consistently
                  round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening.&nbsp; May=
be
                  it's the angle of the photo, I don't know?&nbsp; The left
                  front opening looks much better.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and
                  overall, any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a
                  cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may reflect
                  these observations. It is an overall good looking car
                  none the less, even with its flaws.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Cheers,</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Curt</div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059gmail_quote">
                <div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie
                  Baldwin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class=3D"ydpcfc84554yiv5358479059gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Ste=
ve,
                  I'm glad you have it in the registry.<br>
                  Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show
                  that it was restored there, but I didn't know for
                  sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.<br>
                  It appears that leather seat covers were installed,
                  but not very well as someone else mentioned.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  &gt; On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">sbyers@ec.=
rr.com</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Charlie Baldwin:&nbsp; strange that I never received
                  your original message via the list (yet).<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Yes, I have the car in the registry.&nbsp; One
                  previous owner recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA member
                  1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC
                  Classics in April 2008.<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Steve Byers<br>
                  &gt; HBJ8L/36666<br>
                  &gt; BJ8 Registry<br>
                  &gt; AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
                  &gt; Havelock, NC&nbsp; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
                  &gt; From: Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-boun=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@auto=
x.team.net</a>]
                  On Behalf Of Bob Spidell<br>
                  &gt; Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
                  &gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D=
"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>
                  &gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Not MGB, but 'champagne.'&nbsp; Was that an original
                  color?&nbsp; This one came <br>
                  &gt; from the factory in white; maybe that's why it
                  didn't sell?<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is
                  the shift lever bent, or <br>
                  &gt; is it an illusion?&nbsp; And the fluid reservoir
                  spoils an otherwise nice <br>
                  &gt; engine bay presentation.&nbsp; Nice car, nonetheless=
.<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; Bob<br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; <br>
                  &gt; On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:<br>
                  &gt; &gt; Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was
                  in the auction, but <br>
                  &gt; &gt; apparently didn't make reserve.&nbsp; I think t=
he
                  hammer price was <br>
                  &gt; &gt; $67,500.&nbsp; Comments anyone?&nbsp; Steve Bye=
rs, is
                  this one in your register?<br>
                  &gt; &gt;<br>
                  &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/h=
f18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386" rel=3D"no=
follow" target=3D"_blank">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/l=
ots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386</a>
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That=E2=80=99s wrong. My MkII BT7 certainly does. Can=E2=80=99t remember =
about the Mk Is etc.

Bill Bolton, Mr Tricarb himself, was always very keen to get those =
numbers for his archive.

The numbers are fairly hard to access unless the front end is pretty =
much stripped down.=20

See attached. Not mine. Can=E2=80=99t remember whose=E2=80=A6.maybe Bill =
sent it to me to show where to look.

He pointed out that they can get virtually lost under a few coats of =
paint.

Simon

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of i erbs
Sent: 16 October 2018 18:31
To: Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked]>
Cc: Ahealey help <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction

=20

Ira Erbs

Portland,OR

      _______                                  _______

=20

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1967 MGB    =
<http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg>=20

=20

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On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked] =

>From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but =
it doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the =
chassis number there.

=20

So Charlie,=20

=20

Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right front =
shock tower.=20

=20

To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's.  They =
had glass "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights, reflectors, =
the pull versus the push-button door handles and the lower rear axle.  =
They DID have the wood dash and of course the larger engine making them =
BJ8s not BJ7s.

=20

Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior... =20

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https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D1 =
<https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&sli=
de=3D13> &slide=3D13

=20

Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations.  When they first came =
out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and rear with =
the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door handles.

=20

=20

=20

In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights, two =
front and two rear.

=20

=20

=20

=20

Cheers,

=20

Curt

=20

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked] =

So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car with =
that chassis number should look like.  Don't BJ8s have the chassis =
number stamped on the right front shock mount?  So it may be titled with =
the wrong chassis number.  That is a greater concern to me than being =
the wrong color or having poorly fitting seat covers.  The poorly =
stamped chassis number plate could be part of the issue also.

When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought that =
it probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts lights.  =
Then I figured it was just an error on the year they put on the title.  =
But this is much more serious an issue since the chassis number does not =
indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.

Charlie

=20

FWIW...

=20

Obviously, there are some issues with this car.  =20

=20

Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also brings =
up another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered convertibles =
came with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to have leather =
seats. I don't know the percentage off the top of my head, but it may =
have been less than 5%.  I will check.

=20

<Leather on BJ8=E2=80=99s was an option on home market cars (England). =
Very few original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats =
-- =E2=80=9CLeather trim for seats, armrest and rear folding =
squabs=E2=80=9D was listed as an available option for BJ8's.>

=20

For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is supposedly a 1965 =
(chassis no. 30659), and as such it would have had the single plastic =
side lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors instead of =
the second set of amber plastic turn signal lights? =20

=20

=20

<BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher unit =
with a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas =
type 692), up through Phase II BJ8 (C) 31337 (B) 76137.

=20

Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single =
beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the bumper, were used =
on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. 31336 (B) 76138 (type 594 on =
100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).  With that car, the upper reflectors were =
replaced with separate turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) =
and amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were replaced  with =
tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses. Both upper and lower lights =
on these later cars were Lucas type 692 through the end of production.>

 =20

Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front wing =
wheel opening?  The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and the opening =
is not consistently round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening.  =
Maybe it's the angle of the photo, I don't know?  The left front opening =
looks much better.

=20

All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall, any criticisms =
can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may =
reflect these observations. It is an overall good looking car none the =
less, even with its flaws.

=20

Cheers,

=20

Curt

=20

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked] =

Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was restored =
there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.
It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not very well as =
someone else mentioned.

> On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys <[email-masked] =
>=20
>=20
> Charlie Baldwin:  strange that I never received your original message =
via the list (yet).
>=20
> Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One previous owner recorded in =
New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut =
Holzer's BMC Classics in April 2008.
> Havelock, NC =20
> From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked] =
> Not MGB, but 'champagne.'  Was that an original color?  This one came=20
> Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift lever bent, =
or=20
> is it an illusion?  And the fluid reservoir spoils an otherwise nice=20
> > apparently didn't make reserve.  I think the hammer price was=20
> > $67,500.  Comments anyone?  Steve Byers, is this one in your =
register?
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>That=E2=80=99s wrong. My MkII BT7 =
certainly does. Can=E2=80=99t remember about the Mk Is =
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Bill Bolton, Mr Tricarb himself, =
was always very keen to get those numbers for his =
archive.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The numbers are fairly hard to =
access unless the front end is pretty much stripped down. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>See attached. Not mine. =
Can=E2=80=99t remember whose=E2=80=A6.maybe Bill sent it to me to show =
where to look.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>He pointed out that they can get =
virtually lost under a few coats of paint.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>i erbs<br><b>Sent:</b> 16 October 2018 18:31<br><b>To:</b> =
Charlie Baldwin &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at =
RM Hershey auction<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>BT7 =
3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock =
towers.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><=
div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ira =
Erbs<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Portland,OR<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _______ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;_______<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1959 =
BN4____/ _______)<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =
(_________________________)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk =
brakes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1967 MGB &nbsp;<img id=3D"_x0000_i1025" =
src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" =
alt=3DMG><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario =
Andretti</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Please =
excuse random auto corrects and misspelled =
words<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div=
></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p>From what I =
understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but it doesn't =
match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the chassis =
number there.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal>So Charlie, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on =
the right front shock tower.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar =
to BJ7's.&nbsp; They had <u>glass</u> &quot;Beehive&quot; front =
parking/side and rear stop lights, reflectors, the pull versus the =
push-button door handles and the lower rear axle.&nbsp; They DID have =
the wood dash and of course the larger engine making them BJ8s not =
BJ7s.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Here's a nice example in Black w/red =
interior...&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D=
1&amp;slide=3D13" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-=
a0747/#lg=3D1&amp;slide=3D13</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of =
variations.&nbsp; When they first came out in 1964-5 they now had the =
single plastic lights front and rear with the reflectors, the jacked up =
rear end, and push button door =
handles.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Here's another nice example in Black w/red =
interior...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-au=
stin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii" =
target=3D"_blank">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r1=
69-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all =
plastic lights, two front and two rear.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>One final example in Black over Red w/ a red =
interior...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-54472=
1" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-=
3000-544721</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>This should clear things =
up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Curt<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div>=
</div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p>So Curt, you may be =
saying that this car does not match what a car with that chassis number =
should look like.&nbsp; Don't BJ8s have the chassis number stamped on =
the right front shock mount?&nbsp; So it may be titled with the wrong =
chassis number.&nbsp; That is a greater concern to me than being the =
wrong color or having poorly fitting seat covers.&nbsp; The poorly =
stamped chassis number plate could be part of the issue =
also.<o:p></o:p></p><p>When I saw it on the screen when it came up for =
auction, I thought that it probably isn't really a '65 due to the double =
parking/ts lights.&nbsp; Then I figured it was just an error on the year =
they put on the title.&nbsp; But this is much more serious an issue =
since the chassis number does not indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it =
definitely looks like one.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Charlie<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>FWIW...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Obviously, there are some issues with this =
car.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and =
that also brings up another issue in that the vast majority of US =
delivered convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare =
option to have leather seats. I don't know the percentage off the top of =
my head, but it may have been less than 5%.&nbsp; I will =
check.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"BookmanOldStyle",serif;color:black=
'>&lt;Leather on BJ8=E2=80=99s was an option on home market cars =
(England). Very few original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with =
leather seats --&nbsp;</span></span><span =
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle2><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial-BoldMT",serif;color:black'>=E2=
=80=9CLeather trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs=E2=80=9D =
</span></b></span><span =
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"BookmanOldStyle",serif;color:black=
'>was listed as an available option for =
BJ8's.&gt;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is =
supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. <u>30659</u>), and as such it would have =
had the single plastic side lights up front and also in the rear, with =
reflectors instead of the second set of amber plastic turn signal =
lights?&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>From the 2018 =
Guidelines...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"BookmanOldStyle",serif;color:black=
'>&lt;</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"BookmanOldStyle",serif;color:black=
'>BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher unit =
with a&nbsp;white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile =
(Lucas type 692), up&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0>through Phase II BJ8 (C) <u>31337</u> (B) =
76137.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"BookmanOldStyle",serif;color:black=
'>Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single =
beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the bumper, were used =
on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. <u>31336</u> (B) 76138 (type =
594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).&nbsp; With that car, the upper =
reflectors were replaced with separate turn-signal lights (with a larger =
body fairing) and amber plastic lenses and the lower lights =
were&nbsp;</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"BookmanOldStyle",serif;color:black=
'>replaced&nbsp;&nbsp;with tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses. =
Both upper and lower lights&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0>on these later cars were Lucas type 692 through the end =
of production.&gt;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the =
right front wing wheel opening?&nbsp; The metal work looks a bit =
inconsistent and the opening is not consistently round? Compare to the =
right rear wheel opening.&nbsp; Maybe it's the angle of the photo, I =
don't know?&nbsp; The left front opening looks much =
better.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and =
overall, any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the =
high bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations. It is an overall good =
looking car none the less, even with its =
flaws.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Curt<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Steve, I'm glad you have it in the =
registry.<br>Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it =
was restored there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't want to =
credit/blame them.<br>It appears that leather seat covers were =
installed, but not very well as someone else mentioned.<br><br><br>&gt; =
On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =
<br>&gt; Charlie Baldwin:&nbsp; strange that I never received your =
original message via the list (yet).<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Yes, I have the =
car in the registry.&nbsp; One previous owner recorded in New Hampshire =
(AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC =
Classics in April 2008.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Steve Byers<br>&gt; =
HBJ8L/36666<br>&gt; BJ8 Registry<br>&gt; AHCA Delegate at Large<br>&gt; =
Havelock, NC&nbsp; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; -----Original =
Message-----<br>&gt; From: Healeys [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] On Behalf Of Bob =
Spidell<br>&gt; Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>&gt; To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>&gt; Subject: Re: =
[Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Not MGB, but =
'champagne.'&nbsp; Was that an original color?&nbsp; This one came =
<br>&gt; from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't =
sell?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is =
the shift lever bent, or <br>&gt; is it an illusion?&nbsp; And the fluid =
reservoir spoils an otherwise nice <br>&gt; engine bay =
presentation.&nbsp; Nice car, nonetheless.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Bob<br>&gt; =
<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:<br>&gt; =
&gt; Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, but =
<br>&gt; &gt; apparently didn't make reserve.&nbsp; I think the hammer =
price was <br>&gt; &gt; $67,500.&nbsp; Comments anyone?&nbsp; Steve =
Byers, is this one in your register?<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; <a =
href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-a=
ustin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386" =
target=3D"_blank">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0=
137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386</a> <br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; =
&gt;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =
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My BJ8 - original RHD - has the chassis number stamped on the floor.=20
As do numerous other RHD BJ8's.=20
Best
Chris
www.myaustinhealey.com=20

> On 17 Oct 2018, at 9:19 am, Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> My BT7 Mk. II has a number on the shock tower, but it isn't the chassis nu=
mber.
>> 1967 MGB =20
>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>>> =46rom what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but=
 it doesn't match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the ch=
assis number there.
>>>> Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right front sh=
ock tower.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's.  They h=
ad glass "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights, reflectors, the p=
ull versus the push-button door handles and the lower rear axle.  They DID h=
ave the wood dash and of course the larger engine making them BJ8s not BJ7s.=

>>>> https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&sl=
ide=3D13
>>>>=20
>>>> Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations.  When they first cam=
e out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and rear with t=
he reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door handles.
>>>> https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-h=
ealey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii
>>>>=20
>>>> In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights, two f=
ront and two rear.
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie                   Baldwin <mgc=
[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>> So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car wit=
h that chassis number should look like.  Don't BJ8s have the chassis number s=
tamped on the right front shock mount?  So it may be titled with the wrong c=
hassis number.  That is a greater concern to me than being the wrong color o=
r having poorly fitting seat covers.  The poorly stamped chassis number plat=
e could be part of the issue also.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought tha=
t it probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts lights.  Then I=
 figured it was just an error on the year they put on the title.  But this i=
s much more serious an issue since the chassis number does not indicate it i=
s a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.
>>>>>> Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also bring=
s up another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered convertibles ca=
me with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to have leather seats=
. I don't know the percentage off the top of my head, but it may have been l=
ess than 5%.  I will check.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> <Leather on BJ8=E2=80=99s was an option on home market cars (England)=
. Very few original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats -=
- =E2=80=9CLeather trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs=E2=80=9D w=
as listed as an available option for BJ8's.>
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is supposedly a 1=
965 (chassis no. 30659), and as such it would have had the single plastic si=
de lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors instead of the seco=
nd set of amber plastic turn signal lights? =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =46rom the 2018 Guidelines...
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher uni=
t with a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas typ=
e 692), up through Phase II BJ8 (C) 31337 (B) 76137.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single beehive-=
shaped red lens, on the fender just above the bumper, were used on all Heale=
ys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. 31336 (B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s t=
o c. 26704).  With that car, the upper reflectors were replaced with separat=
e turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and amber plastic lenses a=
nd the lower lights were replaced  with tail/brake lights with red plastic l=
enses. Both upper and lower lights on these later cars were Lucas type 692 t=
hrough the end of production.>
>>>>>>  =20
>>>>>> Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front wing w=
heel opening?  The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and the opening is no=
t consistently round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening.  Maybe it's t=
he                           angle of the photo, I don't know?  The left fro=
nt opening looks much better.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall, any critici=
sms can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may r=
eflect these observations. It is an overall good looking car none the less, e=
ven with its flaws.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Curt
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:
>>>>>>> Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was rest=
ored there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.=

>>>>>>> It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not very wel=
l as someone else mentioned.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> > On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>>>>>>> >=20
>>>>>>> >=20
>>>>>>> > Charlie Baldwin:  strange that I never received your original mess=
age via the list (yet).
>>>>>>> >=20
>>>>>>> > Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One previous owner recorded i=
n New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's=
 BMC Classics in April 2008.
>>>>>>> > From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of=
 Bob Spidell
>>>>>>> > Not MGB, but 'champagne.'  Was that an original color?  This one c=
ame=20
>>>>>>> > Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift lever ben=
t, or=20
>>>>>>> > is it an illusion?  And the fluid reservoir spoils an otherwise ni=
ce=20
>>>>>>> > > Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, but=
=20
>>>>>>> > > apparently didn't make reserve.  I think the hammer price was=20=

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>My BJ8 - original RHD - has the chassi=
s number stamped on the floor.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">As d=
o numerous other RHD BJ8's.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Best</=
div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Chris</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"=
><a href=3D"http://www.myaustinhealey.com">www.myaustinhealey.com</a>&nbsp;<=
br><br><br></div><div><br>On 17 Oct 2018, at 9:19 am, Charlie Baldwin &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
 =20
    <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"=
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    <p>My BT7 Mk. II has a number on the shock tower, but it isn't the
      chassis number.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 10/16/2018 1:30 PM, i erbs wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:CABXhz8_GiTNrFjKnBfyfKCcqU-cef9F8g=
[email-masked]">
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8">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock
        towers.
        <div><br clear=3D"all">
          <div>
            <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gma=
il_signature">
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                                      <div dir=3D"ltr">
                                        <div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs
                                          <div>Portland,OR</div>
                                          <div><span style=3D"font-family:'T=
imes
                                              New Roman',serif">&nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp;
                                              _______ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
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bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;_______</span><br style=3D"font-family:'Times
                                              New Roman',serif">
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                                              New Roman',serif">&nbsp; &nbsp=
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nt-family:'Times
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                                              New Roman',serif">&nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;
(_________________________)</span></div>
                                          <div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; BT7 engine and
                                            disk brakes</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>1967 MGB &nbsp;<img src=3D"ht=
tp://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=3D"MG" m=
oz-do-not-send=3D"true"></div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,5=
1,51);font-family:&quot;Helvetica
Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">A racing car is an
                                              animal with a thousand
                                              adjustments. Mario
                                              Andretti</span><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Please excuse random auto
                                            corrects and misspelled
                                            words</div>
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                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
          <br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin
          &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send=3D"tr=
ue">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
          <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
            <p>=46rom what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number
              stamped there, but it doesn't match any other other number
              on the car, but BJ8s do have the chassis number there.<br>
            </p>
            <br>
            <div class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105moz-cite-prefix">On
              10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type=3D"cite">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">
                <div dir=3D"ltr">
                  <div dir=3D"ltr">
                    <div dir=3D"ltr">
                      <div dir=3D"ltr">
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">So Charlie,
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number
                            stamped on the right front shock tower.&nbsp;<br=
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964)
                              looked very similar to BJ7's.&nbsp; They had <=
u>glass</u>
                              "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop
                              lights, reflectors, the pull versus the
                              push-button door handles and the lower
                              rear axle.&nbsp; They DID have the wood dash
                              and of course the larger engine making
                              them BJ8s not BJ7s.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Here's a nice example in Black w/red
                              interior...&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div><a href=3D"https://www.erclassics.com/austi=
n-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&amp;slide=3D13" target=3D"_blank" moz-d=
o-not-send=3D"true">https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a=
0747/#lg=3D1&amp;slide=3D13</a></div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of
                              variations.&nbsp; When they first came out in
                              1964-5 they now had the single plastic
                              lights front and rear with the reflectors,
                              the jacked up rear end, and push button
                              door handles.</div>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Here's another nice example in Black
                            w/red interior...</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><a href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions=
/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii" target=3D=
"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/au=
ction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii</a><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>In '66 and '67 we have the final version
                            with all plastic lights, two front and two
                            rear.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>One final example in Black over Red w/ a
                            red interior...</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><a href=3D"https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au=
/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true"=
>https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721</a><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>This should clear things up.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Cheers,</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Curt</div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                <div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie
                  Baldwin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
                    <p>So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not
                      match what a car with that chassis number should
                      look like.&nbsp; Don't BJ8s have the chassis number
                      stamped on the right front shock mount?&nbsp; So it ma=
y
                      be titled with the wrong chassis number.&nbsp; That is=

                      a greater concern to me than being the wrong color
                      or having poorly fitting seat covers.&nbsp; The poorly=

                      stamped chassis number plate could be part of the
                      issue also.</p>
                    <p>When I saw it on the screen when it came up for
                      auction, I thought that it probably isn't really a
                      '65 due to the double parking/ts lights.&nbsp; Then I
                      figured it was just an error on the year they put
                      on the title.&nbsp; But this is much more serious an
                      issue since the chassis number does not indicate
                      it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like
                      one.</p>
                    <p>Charlie<br>
                    </p>
                    <br>
                    <div class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-28972486592805256=
98m_-1532920764489079262moz-cite-prefix">On
                      10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
                      <div dir=3D"ltr">
                        <div>FWIW...</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        Obviously, there are some issues with this
                        car.&nbsp;&nbsp;
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is
                          terrible and that also brings up another issue
                          in that the vast majority of US delivered
                          convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it
                          was a very rare option to have leather seats.
                          I don't know the percentage off the top of my
                          head, but it may have been less than 5%.&nbsp; I
                          will check.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><span class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248=
659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:Boo=
kmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&lt;Leather
                            on BJ8=E2=80=99s was an option on home market ca=
rs
                            (England). Very few original American LHD
                            BJ8 have been observed with leather seats
                            --&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"m_-350900541495463=
7105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle2" style=3D"f=
ont-family:Arial-BoldMT;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(0,0,0)">=E2=
=80=9CLeather
                            trim for seats, armrest and rear folding
                            squabs=E2=80=9D </span><span class=3D"m_-3509005=
414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" st=
yle=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">was
                            listed as an available option for BJ8's.&gt;</sp=
an><br style=3D"font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;l=
ine-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto">
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>For me the biggest potential issue is that
                          this car is supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. <u>3065=
9</u>),
                          and as such it would have had the single
                          plastic side lights up front and also in the
                          rear, with reflectors instead of the second
                          set of amber plastic turn signal lights?&nbsp;&nbs=
p;</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>=46rom the 2018 Guidelines...</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><span class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248=
659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:Boo=
kmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&lt;</span><span style=3D"colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">BJ8s
                            from Car No. 26705 have a single front
                            parking/turn flasher unit with a&nbsp;</span><sp=
an style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">whi=
te
                            plastic lens that is larger and flatter in
                            profile (Lucas type 692), up&nbsp;</span><span c=
lass=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rg=
b(0,0,0)">through
                            Phase II BJ8 (C) <u>31337</u> (B) 76137.</span><=
/div>
                        <div><span class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248=
659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:Boo=
kmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
                          </span></div>
                        <div><span class=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248=
659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:Boo=
kmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Rear
                            combination tail/turn signal/brake lights
                            with a single beehive-shaped red lens, on
                            the fender just above the bumper, were used
                            on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. <u>313=
36</u>
                            (B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c.
                            26704).&nbsp; With that car, the upper reflector=
s
                            were replaced with separate turn-signal
                            lights (with a larger body fairing) and
                            amber plastic lenses and the lower lights
                            were&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)=
;font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">replaced&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><spa=
n style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt">with=

                            tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses.
                            Both upper and lower lights&nbsp;</span><span cl=
ass=3D"m_-3509005414954637105m_-2897248659280525698m_-1532920764489079262gma=
il-fontstyle0" style=3D"font-family:BookmanOldStyle;font-size:10pt;color:rgb=
(0,0,0)">on
                            these later cars were Lucas type 692 through
                            the end of production.&gt;</span></div>
                        <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
                        <div>Did anyone else notice in the very first
                          photo the right front wing wheel opening?&nbsp; Th=
e
                          metal work looks a bit inconsistent and the
                          opening is not consistently round? Compare to
                          the right rear wheel opening.&nbsp; Maybe it's the=

                          angle of the photo, I don't know?&nbsp; The left
                          front opening looks much better.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>All this said, it's easy to pick a car
                          apart and overall, any criticisms can be
                          repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high
                          bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations.
                          It is an overall good looking car none the
                          less, even with its flaws.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Cheers,</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Curt</div>
                      </div>
                      <br>
                      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                        <div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM
                          Charlie Baldwin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgcharlie@co=
mcast.net" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt;
                          wrote:<br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0
                          0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                          solid;padding-left:1ex">Steve, I'm glad you
                          have it in the registry.<br>
                          Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car
                          show that it was restored there, but I didn't
                          know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame
                          them.<br>
                          It appears that leather seat covers were
                          installed, but not very well as someone else
                          mentioned.<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          &gt; On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys
                          &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                          wrote:<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Charlie Baldwin:&nbsp; strange that I never
                          received your original message via the list
                          (yet).<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Yes, I have the car in the registry.&nbsp; On=
e
                          previous owner recorded in New Hampshire (AHCA
                          member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut
                          Holzer's BMC Classics in April 2008.<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Steve Byers<br>
                          &gt; HBJ8L/36666<br>
                          &gt; BJ8 Registry<br>
                          &gt; AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
                          &gt; Havelock, NC&nbsp; <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
                          &gt; From: Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:heale=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">healey=
[email-masked]</a>]
                          On Behalf Of Bob Spidell<br>
                          &gt; Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
                          &gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email-masked]</a><br>
                          &gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey
                          auction<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Not MGB, but 'champagne.'&nbsp; Was that an
                          original color?&nbsp; This one came <br>
                          &gt; from the factory in white; maybe that's
                          why it didn't sell?<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Not the best seat upholstery I've seen,
                          and is the shift lever bent, or <br>
                          &gt; is it an illusion?&nbsp; And the fluid
                          reservoir spoils an otherwise nice <br>
                          &gt; engine bay presentation.&nbsp; Nice car,
                          nonetheless.<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Bob<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin
                          wrote:<br>
                          &gt; &gt; Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8
                          that was in the auction, but <br>
                          &gt; &gt; apparently didn't make reserve.&nbsp; I
                          think the hammer price was <br>
                          &gt; &gt; $67,500.&nbsp; Comments anyone?&nbsp; St=
eve
                          Byers, is this one in your register?<br>
                          &gt; &gt;<br>
                          &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auc=
tions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386" rel=
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s.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8=
/721386</a>
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Is that a body # or vin #? My understanding was vin# were only stamped on
BJ8s

Ira Erbs
Portland, OR
typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone

> That=E2=80=99s wrong. My MkII BT7 certainly does. Can=E2=80=99t remember =
about the Mk Is
> etc.
>
> Bill Bolton, Mr Tricarb himself, was always very keen to get those number=
s
> for his archive.
>
> The numbers are fairly hard to access unless the front end is pretty much
> stripped down.
>
sent it to me to
> show where to look.
>
> He pointed out that they can get virtually lost under a few coats of pain=
t.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *i erbs
> *Sent:* 16 October 2018 18:31
> *To:* Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Ahealey help <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction
>
>
>
k
ey
ot
e=3D13
> that chassis number should look like.  Don't BJ8s have the chassis number
> stamped on the right front shock mount?  So it may be titled with the wro=
ng
> chassis number.  That is a greater concern to me than being the wrong col=
or
> When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought that i=
t
> probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts lights.  Then I
> figured it was just an error on the year they put on the title.  But this
> is much more serious an issue since the chassis number does not indicate =
it
> with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to have leather seats=
.
> <Leather on BJ8=E2=80=99s was an option on home market cars (England). Ve=
ry few
> original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats -- *=E2=
=80=9CLeather
> trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs=E2=80=9D *was listed as a=
n
> with a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas ty=
pe
> beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the bumper, were used o=
n
> replaced with separate turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) an=
d
w
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<div dir=3D"auto">Is that a body # or vin #? My understanding was vin# were=
 only stamped on BJ8s<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Ira Er=
bs<br>Portland, OR<br>typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone</div></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 2=
:06 AM  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">simon.lach=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_8125=
70778068145361WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>That=E2=80=99s wro=
ng. My MkII BT7 certainly does. Can=E2=80=99t remember about the Mk Is etc.=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Bill Bolton, Mr Trica=
rb himself, was always very keen to get those numbers for his archive.<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>The numbers are fairly har=
d to access unless the front end is pretty much stripped down. <u></u><u></=
u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>See attached. Not mine. Can=E2=80=
=99t remember whose=E2=80=A6.maybe Bill sent it to me to show where to look=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>He pointed out that =
they can get virtually lost under a few coats of paint.<u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>i erbs<b=
r><b>Sent:</b> 16 October 2018 18:31<br><b>To:</b> Charlie Baldwin &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">m=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auct=
ion<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the sho=
ck towers.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"all"><=
u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><di=
v><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ira Erbs<u></u><u></u></p><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Portland,OR<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0__=
_____<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br>=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT=
7 engine and disk brakes<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">1967 MGB =C2=A0<img id=3D"m_81257=
0778068145361_x0000_i1025" src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/asse=
ts/images/MG_emblem.jpg" alt=3D"MG"><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;=
color:#333333">A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario=
 Andretti</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please =
excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words<u></u><u></u></p></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>=
</div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie Baldwin &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgcharlie@co=
mcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border=
:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left=
:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p>From what I understand, earlier 3000s have=
 a number stamped there, but it doesn&#39;t match any other other number on=
 the car, but BJ8s do have the chassis number there.<u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 10=
/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote st=
yle=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><div><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So Charlie, <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, 3000s =
should have the chassis number stamped on the right front shock tower.=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">To be clear, Phase I BJ8&#39;s (1964) looke=
d very similar to BJ7&#39;s.=C2=A0 They had <u>glass</u> &quot;Beehive&quot=
; front parking/side and rear stop lights, reflectors, the pull versus the =
push-button door handles and the lower rear axle.=C2=A0 They DID have the w=
ood dash and of course the larger engine making them BJ8s not BJ7s.<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here&#39;s a nice example in Black w/red interio=
r...=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.e=
rclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&amp;slide=3D13" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-=
3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&amp;slide=3D13</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Now Phase II BJ8&#39;s came in a number of variations.=C2=A0 When the=
y first came out in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and=
 rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door han=
dles.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here&#39;s another nice exa=
mple in Black w/red interior...<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=
=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-h=
ealey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https:=
//rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000=
-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In &#39;66 and &=
#39;67 we have the final version with all plastic lights, two front and two=
 rear.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">One final example in Black over Re=
d w/ a red interior...<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https:/=
/www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinheal=
ey-3000-544721</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This should clear thin=
gs up.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">Curt<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
">On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie Baldwin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgc=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgcharlie@comcast.=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;=
border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt=
;margin-right:0cm"><div><p>So Curt, you may be saying that this car does no=
t match what a car with that chassis number should look like.=C2=A0 Don&#39=
;t BJ8s have the chassis number stamped on the right front shock mount?=C2=
=A0 So it may be titled with the wrong chassis number.=C2=A0 That is a grea=
ter concern to me than being the wrong color or having poorly fitting seat =
covers.=C2=A0 The poorly stamped chassis number plate could be part of the =
issue also.<u></u><u></u></p><p>When I saw it on the screen when it came up=
 for auction, I thought that it probably isn&#39;t really a &#39;65 due to =
the double parking/ts lights.=C2=A0 Then I figured it was just an error on =
the year they put on the title.=C2=A0 But this is much more serious an issu=
e since the chassis number does not indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it d=
efinitely looks like one.<u></u><u></u></p><p>Charlie<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 1=
0/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote s=
tyle=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">FWIW...<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Obviously, there are some issues=
 with this car.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regarding the seat=
s, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also brings up another issue in th=
at the vast majority of US delivered convertibles came with vinyl interiors=
, and it was a very rare option to have leather seats. I don&#39;t know the=
 percentage off the top of my head, but it may have been less than 5%.=C2=
=A0 I will check.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"m_812570=
778068145361m-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262=
gmail-fontstyle0"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Bookman=
OldStyle&quot;,serif;color:black">&lt;Leather on BJ8=E2=80=99s was an optio=
n on home market cars (England). Very few original American LHD BJ8 have be=
en observed with leather seats --=C2=A0</span></span><span class=3D"m_81257=
0778068145361m-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-153292076448907926=
2gmail-fontstyle2"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al-BoldMT&quot;,serif;color:black">=E2=80=9CLeather trim for seats, armrest=
 and rear folding squabs=E2=80=9D </span></b></span><span class=3D"m_812570=
778068145361m-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262=
gmail-fontstyle0"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Bookman=
OldStyle&quot;,serif;color:black">was listed as an available option for BJ8=
&#39;s.&gt;</span></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">For me the bigg=
est potential issue is that this car is supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. <u>3=
0659</u>), and as such it would have had the single plastic side lights up =
front and also in the rear, with reflectors instead of the second set of am=
ber plastic turn signal lights?=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">From the 2018 Guidelines...<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span clas=
s=3D"m_812570778068145361m-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-153292=
0764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;BookmanOldStyle&quot;,serif;color:black">&lt;</span></span><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;BookmanOldStyle&quot;,serif;color:b=
lack">BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher unit=
 with a=C2=A0white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Luca=
s type 692), up=C2=A0<span class=3D"m_812570778068145361m-35090054149546371=
05m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0">through Phase=
 II BJ8 (C) <u>31337</u> (B) 76137.</span></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span class=3D"m_812570778068145361m-3509005414954637105m-28972486=
59280525698m-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;BookmanOldStyle&quot;,serif;color:black">Rear comb=
ination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single beehive-shaped red lens=
, on the fender just above the bumper, were used on all Healeys up to Phase=
 II BJ8 Car No. <u>31336</u> (B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 2=
6704).=C2=A0 With that car, the upper reflectors were replaced with separat=
e turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and amber plastic lenses =
and the lower lights were=C2=A0</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;BookmanOldStyle&quot;,serif;color:black">replaced=C2=A0=
=C2=A0with tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses. Both upper and lower =
lights=C2=A0<span class=3D"m_812570778068145361m-3509005414954637105m-28972=
48659280525698m-1532920764489079262gmail-fontstyle0">on these later cars we=
re Lucas type 692 through the end of production.&gt;</span></span><u></u><u=
></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Did anyone else notice in the very first ph=
oto the right front wing wheel opening?=C2=A0 The metal work looks a bit in=
consistent and the opening is not consistently round? Compare to the right =
rear wheel opening.=C2=A0 Maybe it&#39;s the angle of the photo, I don&#39;=
t know?=C2=A0 The left front opening looks much better.<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">All this said, it&#39;s easy to pick a car apart and overall=
, any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high bid o=
f $67.5K may reflect these observations. It is an overall good looking car =
none the less, even with its flaws.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheer=
s,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Curt<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie Baldwin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgch=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;b=
order-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;=
margin-right:0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Ste=
ve, I&#39;m glad you have it in the registry.<br>Someone told me on Saturda=
y at the Hershey car show that it was restored there, but I didn&#39;t know=
 for sure, so didn&#39;t want to credit/blame them.<br>It appears that leat=
her seat covers were installed, but not very well as someone else mentioned=
.<br><br><br>&gt; On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked].=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Charlie Baldwin:=C2=A0 strange=
 that I never received your original message via the list (yet).<br>&gt; <b=
r>&gt; Yes, I have the car in the registry.=C2=A0 One previous owner record=
ed in New Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Hol=
zer&#39;s BMC Classics in April 2008.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Steve Byers<br>&gt; =
HBJ8L/36666<br>&gt; BJ8 Registry<br>&gt; AHCA Delegate at Large<br>&gt; Hav=
elock, NC=C2=A0 <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; -----Original Message--=
---<br>&gt; From: Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
t</a>] On Behalf Of Bob Spidell<br>&gt; Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:4=
4 PM<br>&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Heale=
ys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Not MGB, but &#39;champagne.=
&#39;=C2=A0 Was that an original color?=C2=A0 This one came <br>&gt; from t=
he factory in white; maybe that&#39;s why it didn&#39;t sell?<br>&gt; <br>&=
gt; Not the best seat upholstery I&#39;ve seen, and is the shift lever bent=
, or <br>&gt; is it an illusion?=C2=A0 And the fluid reservoir spoils an ot=
herwise nice <br>&gt; engine bay presentation.=C2=A0 Nice car, nonetheless.=
<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Bob<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Char=
lie Baldwin wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that wa=
s in the auction, but <br>&gt; &gt; apparently didn&#39;t make reserve.=C2=
=A0 I think the hammer price was <br>&gt; &gt; $67,500.=C2=A0 Comments anyo=
ne?=C2=A0 Steve Byers, is this one in your register?<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &=
gt; <a href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1=
965-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
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Simon, is this a chassis number, body number or ????

Space for stamping looks too small for 6 digit chassis number.

Randy

> On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:51 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
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> That=E2=80=99s wrong. My MkII BT7 certainly does. Can=E2=80=99t =
remember about the Mk Is etc.
numbers for his archive.
much stripped down.=20
> See attached. Not mine. Can=E2=80=99t remember whose=E2=80=A6.maybe =
Bill sent it to me to show where to look.
paint.
> Simon
> =20
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> To: Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked] =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Simon, is this a chassis number, body number or ????<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Space for stamping looks =
too small for 6 digit chassis number.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Randy<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct =
17, 2018, at 4:51 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 class=3D"">[email-masked]</a> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">That=E2=80=99s wrong. My MkII BT7 certainly does. Can=E2=80=99t=
 remember about the Mk Is etc.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">Bill Bolton, Mr =
Tricarb himself, was always very keen to get those numbers for his =
archive.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">The numbers are fairly hard to access unless =
the front end is pretty much stripped down.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">See attached. Not mine. Can=E2=80=99t remember whose=E2=80=A6.m=
aybe Bill sent it to me to show where to look.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">He pointed out that they can get virtually lost under a few =
coats of paint.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">Simon<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
class=3D"">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>i erbs<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>16 October 2018 18:31<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Charlie Baldwin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Ahealey help &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM =
Hershey auction<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on =
the shock towers.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><br clear=3D"all" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Ira =
Erbs<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Portland,OR<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
_______ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;_______<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =
(_________________________)</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk brakes<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">1967 MGB &nbsp;<img id=3D"_x0000_i1025" =
src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" =
alt=3D"MG" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
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So does my Mk II BT7 centre-shifter, on top of the RF shock tower (under the
shock-absorber) - January 1962 

Mark

Ardmore, NZ

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From: Charlie Baldwin [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2018 11:20 a.m.
To: i erbs
Cc: Ahealey help
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction

Ira Erbs 

Portland,OR

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1967 MGB   MG
<http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg> 

 

So Charlie, 

Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the right front shock
tower. 

To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to BJ7's.  They had
glass "Beehive" front parking/side and rear stop lights, reflectors, the
pull versus the push-button door handles and the lower rear axle.  They DID
have the wood dash and of course the larger engine making them BJ8s not
BJ7s.

https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1
<https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13
> &slide=13

Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations.  When they first came out
in 1964-5 they now had the single plastic lights front and rear with the
reflectors, the jacked up rear end, and push button door handles.

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey
-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii

In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic lights, two front
and two rear.

Cheers,

Curt

So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car with that
chassis number should look like.  Don't BJ8s have the chassis number stamped
on the right front shock mount?  So it may be titled with the wrong chassis
number.  That is a greater concern to me than being the wrong color or
having poorly fitting seat covers.  The poorly stamped chassis number plate
could be part of the issue also.

When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought that it
probably isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts lights.  Then I
figured it was just an error on the year they put on the title.  But this is
much more serious an issue since the chassis number does not indicate it is
a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.

Charlie

FWIW...

Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible and that also brings up
another issue in that the vast majority of US delivered convertibles came
with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to have leather seats. I
don't know the percentage off the top of my head, but it may have been less
than 5%.  I will check.

<Leather on BJ8's was an option on home market cars (England). Very few
original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats -- "Leather
trim for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs" was listed as an available
option for BJ8's.>

For me the biggest potential issue is that this car is supposedly a 1965
(chassis no. 30659), and as such it would have had the single plastic side
lights up front and also in the rear, with reflectors instead of the second
set of amber plastic turn signal lights?  

<BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher unit with
a white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas type 692),
up through Phase II BJ8 (C) 31337 (B) 76137.

Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with a single beehive-shaped
red lens, on the fender just above the bumper, were used on all Healeys up
to Phase II BJ8 Car No. 31336 (B) 76138 (type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c.
26704).  With that car, the upper reflectors were replaced with separate
turn-signal lights (with a larger body fairing) and amber plastic lenses and
the lower lights were replaced  with tail/brake lights with red plastic
lenses. Both upper and lower lights on these later cars were Lucas type 692
through the end of production.>

Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the right front wing wheel
opening?  The metal work looks a bit inconsistent and the opening is not
consistently round? Compare to the right rear wheel opening.  Maybe it's the
angle of the photo, I don't know?  The left front opening looks much better.

All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and overall, any criticisms can
be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the high bid of $67.5K may reflect
these observations. It is an overall good looking car none the less, even
with its flaws.

Cheers,

Curt

Steve, I'm glad you have it in the registry.
Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was restored
there, but I didn't know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.
It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not very well as
someone else mentioned.

> Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One previous owner recorded in New
Hampshire (AHCA member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC
Classics in April 2008.
> > $67,500.  Comments anyone?  Steve Byers, is this one in your register?
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-austin-heale
y-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386 

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>My
BT7 Mk. II has a number on the shock tower, but it isn't the chassis =
number.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On 10/16/2018 1:30 PM, i erbs =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the =
shock
towers. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Ira Erbs <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on"><font =
size=3D3
  color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Portland</span></font></st1:City>,<st1:State
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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _______ &nbsp; &nbsp; =
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&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =
(_________________________)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine =
and disk
brakes<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>1967 MGB &nbsp;<img width=3D50 height=3D49
id=3D"_x0000_i1025"
src=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com/assets/images/MG_emblem.jpg" =
alt=3DMG
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3D"#333333" face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#333333'>A racing car is an animal with =
a
thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Please excuse random auto corrects and =
misspelled
words<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM Charlie =
<st1:place
w:st=3D"on">Baldwin</st1:place> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;
margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'>

<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>From
what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped there, but it =
doesn't
match any other other number on the car, but BJ8s do have the chassis =
number
there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>So Charlie, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number =
stamped on
the right front shock tower.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very =
similar
to BJ7's.&nbsp; They had <u>glass</u> &quot;Beehive&quot; front =
parking/side
and rear stop lights, reflectors, the pull versus the push-button door =
handles
and the lower rear axle.&nbsp; They DID have the wood dash and of course =
the
larger engine making them BJ8s not BJ7s.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Here's a nice example in Black w/red
interior...&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a
href=3D"https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=3D=
1&amp;slide=3D13"
target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-=
1964-a0747/#lg=3D1&amp;slide=3D13</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of
variations.&nbsp; When they first came out in 1964-5 they now had the =
single
plastic lights front and rear with the reflectors, the jacked up rear =
end, and
push button door handles.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Here's another nice example in Black w/red =
interior...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a
href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-au=
stin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii"
target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lo=
ts/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii</a><o:p></o:p></span>=
</font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>In '66 and '67 we have the final version with =
all
plastic lights, two front and two rear.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>One final example in Black over Red w/ a red
interior...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><a
href=3D"https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-54472=
1"
target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhe=
aley-3000-544721</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>This should clear things =
up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Curt<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM Charlie =
Baldwin &lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>[email-masked]</a>&gt;
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;
margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'>

<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>So
Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match what a car with =
that
chassis number should look like.&nbsp; Don't BJ8s have the chassis =
number
stamped on the right front shock mount?&nbsp; So it may be titled with =
the
wrong chassis number.&nbsp; That is a greater concern to me than being =
the
wrong color or having poorly fitting seat covers.&nbsp; The poorly =
stamped
chassis number plate could be part of the issue =
also.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>When
I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction, I thought that it =
probably
isn't really a '65 due to the double parking/ts lights.&nbsp; Then I =
figured it
was just an error on the year they put on the title.&nbsp; But this is =
much
more serious an issue since the chassis number does not indicate it is a =
Phase
2 BJ8, when it definitely looks like one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Charlie<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>FWIW...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Obviously, there are some issues with this
car.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is =
terrible and
that also brings up another issue in that the vast majority of US =
delivered
convertibles came with vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to =
have
leather seats. I don't know the percentage off the top of my head, but =
it may
have been less than 5%.&nbsp; I will check.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DBookmanOldStyle><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>&lt;Leather on BJ8&#8217;s was an option on =
home
market cars (<st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">England</st1:place></st1:country-region>).
Very few original American LHD BJ8 have been observed with leather seats
--&nbsp;</span></font></span><span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle2><b><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial-BoldMT><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial-BoldMT;
font-weight:bold'>&#8220;Leather trim for seats, armrest and rear =
folding
squabs&#8221; </span></font></b></span><span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0><font
size=3D2 face=3DBookmanOldStyle><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>was
listed as an available option for =
BJ8's.&gt;</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>For me the biggest potential issue is that =
this car is
supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. <u>30659</u>), and as such it would have =
had the
single plastic side lights up front and also in the rear, with =
reflectors
instead of the second set of amber plastic turn signal =
lights?&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>From the 2018 =
Guidelines...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DBookmanOldStyle><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>&lt;</span></font></span><font size=3D2
face=3DBookmanOldStyle><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>BJ8s
from Car No. 26705 have a single front parking/turn flasher unit with
a&nbsp;white plastic lens that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas =
type
692), up&nbsp;<span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0>through
Phase II BJ8 (C) <u>31337</u> (B) =
76137.</span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DBookmanOldStyle><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake =
lights
with a single beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just above the =
bumper,
were used on all Healeys up to Phase II BJ8 Car No. <u>31336</u> (B) =
76138
(type 594 on 100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).&nbsp; With that car, the =
upper
reflectors were replaced with separate turn-signal lights (with a larger =
body
fairing) and amber plastic lenses and the lower lights =
were&nbsp;</span></font></span><font
size=3D2 face=3DBookmanOldStyle><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:BookmanOldStyle'>replaced&nbsp;&nbs=
p;with
tail/brake lights with red plastic lenses. Both upper and lower =
lights&nbsp;<span
class=3Dm-3509005414954637105m-2897248659280525698m-1532920764489079262gm=
ail-fontstyle0>on
these later cars were Lucas type 692 through the end of =
production.&gt;</span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Did anyone else notice in the very first =
photo the
right front wing wheel opening?&nbsp; The metal work looks a bit =
inconsistent
and the opening is not consistently round? Compare to the right rear =
wheel
opening.&nbsp; Maybe it's the angle of the photo, I don't know?&nbsp; =
The left
front opening looks much better.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart =
and
overall, any criticisms can be repaired, albeit at a cost, but then the =
high
bid of $67.5K may reflect these observations. It is an overall good =
looking car
none the less, even with its flaws.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:45 AM Charlie =
<st1:place
w:st=3D"on">Baldwin</st1:place> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Steve, I'm =
glad you have
it in the registry.<br>
Someone told me on Saturday at the Hershey car show that it was restored =
there,
but I didn't know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.<br>
It appears that leather seat covers were installed, but not very well as
someone else mentioned.<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On October 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM BJ8Healeys &lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>[email-masked]</a>&gt;
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&gt; <br>
&gt; Charlie Baldwin:&nbsp; strange that I never received your original =
message
via the list (yet).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Yes, I have the car in the registry.&nbsp; One previous owner =
recorded in <st1:State
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">New Hampshire</st1:place></st1:State> =
(AHCA
member 1990 - 1999), then restoration by Knut Holzer's BMC Classics in =
April
2008.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Steve Byers<br>
&gt; HBJ8L/36666<br>
&gt; BJ8 Registry<br>
&gt; AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
&gt; <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">Havelock</st1:City>, =
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 w:st=3D"on">NC</st1:State></st1:place>&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
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&gt; <br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Healeys [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"
target=3D"_blank" =
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>[email-masked]</a>] On
Behalf Of Bob Spidell<br>
&gt; Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:44 PM<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"
moz-do-not-send=3Dtrue>[email-masked]</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Not MGB, but 'champagne.'&nbsp; Was that an original color?&nbsp; =
This one
came <br>
&gt; from the factory in white; maybe that's why it didn't sell?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Not the best seat upholstery I've seen, and is the shift lever =
bent, or <br>
&gt; is it an illusion?&nbsp; And the fluid reservoir spoils an =
otherwise nice <br>
&gt; engine bay presentation.&nbsp; Nice car, nonetheless.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Bob<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On 10/14/2018 8:17 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; Here is a Metallic Golden Beige BJ8 that was in the auction, =
but <br>
&gt; &gt; apparently didn't make reserve.&nbsp; I think the hammer price =
was <br>
&gt; &gt; $67,500.&nbsp; Comments anyone?&nbsp; Steve Byers, is this one =
in
your register?<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a
href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/hf18/hershey/lots/r0137-1965-a=
ustin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8/721386"
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From: Bob Haskell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:13:06 -0400

The numbers are in two different locations.  The number that Simon 
provided a picture of is just in front of the right hand side shock 
mount.  On the BJ8s I believe the VIN is stamped on the outboard side of 
the same shock mount.

Cheers,

Bob Haskell
AHCA 3000 MkI registrar
http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php

On 10/17/2018 08:55 AM, i erbs wrote:
> Is that a body # or vin #? My understanding was vin# were only stamped 
> on BJ8s
> 
> Ira Erbs
> Portland, OR
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 2:06 AM <[email-masked] 
> <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
> 
>     That’s wrong. My MkII BT7 certainly does. Can’t remember about the
>     Mk Is etc.____
> 
>     Bill Bolton, Mr Tricarb himself, was always very keen to get those
>     numbers for his archive.____
> 
>     The numbers are fairly hard to access unless the front end is pretty
>     much stripped down. ____
> 
>     See attached. Not mine. Can’t remember whose….maybe Bill sent it to
>     me to show where to look.____
> 
>     He pointed out that they can get virtually lost under a few coats of
>     paint.____
> 
>     Simon____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     *From:*Healeys <[email-masked]
>     <mailto:[email-masked]>> *On Behalf Of *i erbs
>     *To:* Charlie Baldwin <[email-masked]
>     <mailto:[email-masked]>>
>     *Cc:* Ahealey help <[email-masked]
>     <mailto:[email-masked]>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     BT7 3000s did not have the # stamped on the shock towers.____
> 
> 
>     ____
> 
>     Ira Erbs____
> 
>     Portland,OR____
> 
>            _______                                  _______
>               (_________________________)____
> 
>                BT7 engine and disk brakes____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     1967 MGB MG____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario
>     Andretti____
> 
>     Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:____
> 
>          From what I understand, earlier 3000s have a number stamped
>         there, but it doesn't match any other other number on the car,
>         but BJ8s do have the chassis number there.____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         On 10/15/2018 8:06 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:____
> 
>             So Charlie, ____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Yes, 3000s should have the chassis number stamped on the
>             right front shock tower. ____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             To be clear, Phase I BJ8's (1964) looked very similar to
>             BJ7's.  They had _glass_ "Beehive" front parking/side and
>             rear stop lights, reflectors, the pull versus the
>             push-button door handles and the lower rear axle.  They DID
>             have the wood dash and of course the larger engine making
>             them BJ8s not BJ7s.____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Here's a nice example in Black w/red interior... ____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             https://www.erclassics.com/austin-healey-3000-bj8-1964-a0747/#lg=1&slide=13____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Now Phase II BJ8's came in a number of variations.  When
>             they first came out in 1964-5 they now had the single
>             plastic lights front and rear with the reflectors, the
>             jacked up rear end, and push button door handles.____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Here's another nice example in Black w/red interior...____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo17/auction/lots/r169-1964-austin-healey-3000-mk-iii-bj8-phase-ii____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             In '66 and '67 we have the final version with all plastic
>             lights, two front and two rear.____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             One final example in Black over Red w/ a red interior...____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/detail/austinhealey-3000-544721____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             This should clear things up.____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Cheers,____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Curt____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
>             wrote:____
> 
>                 So Curt, you may be saying that this car does not match
>                 covers.  The poorly stamped chassis number plate could
>                 be part of the issue also.____
> 
>                 When I saw it on the screen when it came up for auction,
>                 error on the year they put on the title.  But this is
>                 much more serious an issue since the chassis number does
>                 not indicate it is a Phase 2 BJ8, when it definitely
>                 looks like one.____
> 
>                 Charlie____
> 
>                 __ __
> 
>                 On 10/15/2018 1:04 PM, Curtis Arndt wrote:____
> 
>                     FWIW...____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     Obviously, there are some issues with this car. ____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     Regarding the seats, I agree, the fit is terrible
>                     and that also brings up another issue in that the
>                     vast majority of US delivered convertibles came with
>                     vinyl interiors, and it was a very rare option to
>                     have leather seats. I don't know the percentage off
>                     the top of my head, but it may have been less than
>                     5%.  I will check.____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     been observed with leather seats -- *“Leather trim
>                     for seats, armrest and rear folding squabs” *was
>                     listed as an available option for BJ8's.>____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     For me the biggest potential issue is that this car
>                     is supposedly a 1965 (chassis no. _30659_), and as
>                     such it would have had the single plastic side
>                     lights up front and also in the rear, with
>                     reflectors instead of the second set of amber
>                     plastic turn signal lights? ____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                      From the 2018 Guidelines...____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     <BJ8s from Car No. 26705 have a single front
>                     parking/turn flasher unit with a white plastic lens
>                     that is larger and flatter in profile (Lucas type
>                     692), up through Phase II BJ8 (C) _31337_ (B) 76137.____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     Rear combination tail/turn signal/brake lights with
>                     a single beehive-shaped red lens, on the fender just
>                     Phase II BJ8 Car No. _31336_ (B) 76138 (type 594 on
>                     100-6 and 3000s to c. 26704).  With that car, the
>                     upper reflectors were replaced with separate
>                     amber plastic lenses and the lower lights were
>                     replaced  with tail/brake lights with red plastic
>                     lenses. Both upper and lower lights on these later
>                     cars were Lucas type 692 through the end of
>                     production.>____
> 
>                     ____
> 
>                     Did anyone else notice in the very first photo the
>                     right front wing wheel opening?  The metal work
>                     looks a bit inconsistent and the opening is not
>                     consistently round? Compare to the right rear wheel
>                     opening.  Maybe it's the angle of the photo, I don't
>                     know?  The left front opening looks much better.____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     All this said, it's easy to pick a car apart and
>                     these observations. It is an overall good looking
>                     car none the less, even with its flaws.____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     Cheers,____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     Curt____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                     <[email-masked]
>                     <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:____
> 
>                         know for sure, so didn't want to credit/blame them.
>                         mentioned.
>                         <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
>                          >
>                          >
>                          > Charlie Baldwin:  strange that I never
>                         received your original message via the list (yet).
>                          >
>                          > Yes, I have the car in the registry.  One
>                         <mailto:[email-masked]>] On
>                         Behalf Of Bob Spidell
>                         <mailto:[email-masked]>
>                          > Archive:
>                         http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys
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> 
>                 __ __
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
>         http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 05:55:04 -0700

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I know Bill, he is in the Oregon club. So as I thought. Vin# s not stamped
until BJ8 cars.
Thanks

Ira Erbs
Portland, OR

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 11:49 PM <[email-masked]> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *From:* i erbs <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* 17 October 2018 13:56
> *To:* [email-masked]
> See below. I=E2=80=99d say Bill was likely to be correct. He loved his Tr=
icarbs
> and knew pretty much all there was to know about them. He certainly gave =
me
> a lot of help and advice.:-
>
> =E2=80=9CS.D.Lachlan
>
> *From:*         [email-masked]
>
> *Sent:*          06 November 1999 06:57
>
> *To:*             simonlachlan@....
>
> *Cc:*             [email-masked]
>
> *Subject:*     Shock number
>
>
>
> Thanks for finding the frame number and passing it on.
>
> Since there were no retrieved records from Jensen these numbers were neve=
r
> recorded in the Austin data base.
>
> These number have no relation with the numbers you may find on hinge
> flanges, splash panels, etc.  Those numbers were stamped on by Jensen or
> another subcontractor.
>
> *The frame numbers were stamped on by Boulton-Paul Ltd., who built the bo=
x
> frames and delivered them to Jensen.*
>
> I am gradually accumulating sufficient frame numbers to try to see the
> patterns.
>
> Thanks again, Bill=E2=80=9D
>
> Simon
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">I know Bill, he is in the Oregon club. So as I thought. V=
in# s not stamped until BJ8 cars.<div dir=3D"auto">Thanks<br><br><div data-=
smartmail=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto">Ira Erbs<br>Portland, OR<br>typo=
s and artifacts are the fault of my phone</div></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 11:49 PM  &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
us.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"=
EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_7204654034708313971Wo=
rdSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> i erbs &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> 17 October 2018 13:56<br><=
b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Cc:</b=
> Ahealey help &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re=
: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
in-bottom:12.0pt">Is that a body # or vin #? My understanding was vin# were=
 only stamped on BJ8s<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ira Erbs=
<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">See below. I=E2=80=99d say=
 Bill was likely to be correct. He loved his Tricarbs and knew pretty much =
all there was to know about them. He certainly gave me a lot of help and ad=
vice.:-<u></u><u></u></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid window=
text 2.25pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 1.0pt;background:#dfdfdf"><p class=3D"m_720=
4654034708313971Print-ReverseHeader" style=3D"background:#dfdfdf"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">=E2=80=9C</span><span sty=
le=3D"layout-grid-mode:line">S.D.Lachlan<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"m_7204654034708313971Print-FromToSubjectDate" style=3D"background:white=
"><b><span style=3D"layout-grid-mode:line">From:</span></b><span style=3D"l=
ayout-grid-mode:line">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">TRICARB=
@aol.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_7204654034708313971Print=
-FromToSubjectDate" style=3D"background:white"><b><span style=3D"layout-gri=
d-mode:line">Sent:</span></b><span style=3D"layout-grid-mode:line">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 06 November 1999 06:57<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_7204654034708313971Print-FromToSubjectDa=
te" style=3D"background:white"><b><span style=3D"layout-grid-mode:line">To:=
</span></b><span style=3D"layout-grid-mode:line">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 simonlachlan@....<u></u><u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_7204654034708313971Print-FromToSubjectDate" s=
tyle=3D"background:white"><b><span style=3D"layout-grid-mode:line">Cc:</spa=
n></b><span style=3D"layout-grid-mode:line">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:Editorgary@aol=
.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"m_7204654034708313971Print-FromToSubjectDate" st=
yle=3D"background:white"><b><span style=3D"layout-grid-mode:line">Subject:<=
/span></b><span style=3D"layout-grid-mode:line">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sh=
ock number<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"m_7204654034708313971MsoBodyText">Thanks for find=
ing the frame number and passing it on.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_7204=
654034708313971MsoBodyText">Since there were no retrieved records from Jens=
en these numbers were never recorded in the Austin data base.<u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"m_7204654034708313971MsoBodyText">These number have no rela=
tion with the numbers you may find on hinge flanges, splash panels, etc.=C2=
=A0 Those numbers were stamped on by Jensen or another subcontractor.<u></u=
><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_7204654034708313971MsoBodyText"><b>The frame numb=
ers were stamped on by Boulton-Paul Ltd., who built the box frames and deli=
vered them to Jensen.<u></u><u></u></b></p><p class=3D"m_720465403470831397=
1MsoBodyText">I am gradually accumulating sufficient frame numbers to try t=
o see the patterns.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_7204654034708313971MsoBo=
dyText2">Thanks again, Bill=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_7204654=
034708313971MsoBodyText2">Simon<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>

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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 09:03:47 -0400

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The photo Simon showed is of the TOP of the shock tower.  In addition to =
the complete VIN stamped on the OUTSIDE of the shock tower on BJ8s, they =
also have the number on the top, as apparently other 3000s also have.  =
The number on top cannot be related to a VIN now, if it ever could be.  =
I believe (with no proof) the number on top was stamped during =
manufacture of the frame, and probably was a tracking number used to =
account for the frames against a purchase order for a quantity of them.

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Steve Byers

HBJ8L/36666

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC =20

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From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
Randall Hicks
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 12:32 PM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Healey List; i erbs
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction

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Randy

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Simon

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[email-masked]> On Behalf Of i erbs
Sent: 16 October 2018 18:31
[email-masked]>
[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey auction

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Ira Erbs

Portland,OR

      _______                                  _______

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1967 MGB  Image removed by sender. MG

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space;line-break:after-white-space'><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#002060'>The photo Simon showed is of the TOP of the =
shock tower. =C2=A0In addition to the complete VIN stamped on the =
OUTSIDE of the shock tower on BJ8s, they also have the number on the =
top, as apparently other 3000s also have.=C2=A0 The number on top cannot =
be related to a VIN now, if it ever could be.=C2=A0 I believe (with no =
proof) the number on top was stamped during manufacture of the frame, =
and probably was a tracking number used to account for the frames =
against a purchase order for a quantity of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#002060'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#002060'>Steve Byers</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00206=
0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#002060'>HBJ8L/36666</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00206=
0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#002060'>BJ8 =
Registry</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00206=
0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#002060'>AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00206=
0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#002060'>Havelock, NC&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00206=
0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00206=
0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#002060'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Randall Hicks<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 17, 2018 12:32 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> Healey =
List; i erbs<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] BJ8 at RM Hershey =
auction<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Simon, is =
this a chassis number, body number or ????<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Space for stamping looks too small for 6 digit chassis =
number.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Randy<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Oct 17, 2018, at 4:51 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>That=E2=80=99=
s wrong. My MkII BT7 certainly does. Can=E2=80=99t remember about the Mk =
Is etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Bill =
Bolton, Mr Tricarb himself, was always very keen to get those numbers =
for his archive.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The =
numbers are fairly hard to access unless the front end is pretty much =
stripped down.<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>See =
attached. Not mine. Can=E2=80=99t remember whose=E2=80=A6.maybe Bill =
sent it to me to show where to look.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>He pointed =
out that they can get virtually lost under a few coats of =
paint.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Simon<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span=
></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</spa=
n></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Healeys =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>[email-masked]</span></a>&gt;<span=
 class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></b>i =
erbs<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>16 =
October 2018 18:31<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Charlie Baldwin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>[email-masked]</span></a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b>=
<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Ahealey help &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>[email-masked]</span></a>&gt;<br><b>Subjec=
t:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Re: [Healeys] BJ8 =
at RM Hershey auction<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>BT7 3000s =
did not have the # stamped on the shock =
towers.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><di=
v><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ira =
Erbs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Portland,OR=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _______ &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;_______<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ =
\____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =
(_________________________)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk =
brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1967 MGB =
&nbsp;<span style=3D'border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'><img =
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