Subject: Re: [Healeys] Adjustable Shock Mount Kit -

From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 04:13:55 +0000 (UTC)

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Hi Jean, 

We ordered these direct from Kilmartin a few years ago. Unfortunately, we got a couple from a 'bad' batch; the plates have some caster due to a 'slant' on the base and they were reversed. I wrote Kilmartin and their suggestion was to 'reverse' the plates; i.e. put the left one on the right and vice versa, which we deemed unacceptable for a near-concours resto.. We got an apology, but no attempt to make good on THEIR mistake. We had to do some welding and fabbing to fit the plates to their correct sides. 

That was the second time Kilmartin screwed-up an order from me; they also sent us a front wing repair panel for a BN1 when we had ordered one for a BN2. That time, they told us to keep the panel and they credited us for the cost (anyone need a front left wing lower repair panel for a BN1?). 

I can't attest to the handling characteristics as we set up the front end with a digital level after installing the plates (we bought the plates to compensate for excessive positive camber, for which we never figured out the cause). I think we're pretty close as the tires are wearing evenly so far, but it seems to me the car needs a bit more effort to 'turn in' to a corner than I expected--but this is the only 100 I have driven--and after the turn is started it feels like the car oversteers. Plus, the car feels a little squirrelly in a crosswind. I'm taking this car to an alignment shop soon, will consult with the shop and see what they recommend but expect I'll end up with nominal 1deg neg. camber and just a smidge of toe-in, unless the shop recommends something else to mitigate the initial effort for turn-in and the tendency for the rear to want to pass the front. 

Check these out (bottom of page): 

https://www.bighealey.co.uk/front-suspension 

95% of the functionality for 25% of the cost. If I'd known about these--and assuming they were available then--I would have bought them instead of the Kilmartin parts. 

Bob 

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From: "Jean Caron" <[email-masked]> 
To: "AH Mail List" <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 6:26:09 PM 
Subject: [Healeys] Adjustable Shock Mount Kit - 

Can anyone that has installed the Adjustable Shock Mount Kit sold by Kilmartin in Australia let me know the pros and cons of installing these versus the original plates. 

Are they worth it? Does it make a lot of difference in driving, I understand that these are very handy for track use but how about regular driving. 

Thanks, 

Jean 

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div>Hi Jean,<br></div><div><br></div><div>We ordered these direct from=
 Kilmartin a few years ago.&nbsp; Unfortunately, we got a couple from a 'ba=
d' batch; the plates have some caster due to a 'slant' on the base and they=
 were reversed.&nbsp; I wrote Kilmartin and their suggestion was to 'revers=
e' the plates; i.e. put the left one on the right and vice versa, which we =
deemed unacceptable for a near-concours resto..&nbsp; We got an apology, bu=
t no attempt to make good on THEIR mistake.&nbsp; We had to do some welding=
 and fabbing to fit the plates to their correct sides.&nbsp; <br></div><div=
><br></div><div>That was the second time Kilmartin screwed-up an order from=
 me; they also sent us a front wing repair&nbsp;panel for a BN1 when we had=
 ordered one for a BN2.&nbsp; That time, they told us to keep the panel and=
 they credited us for the cost (anyone need a front left wing lower repair =
panel for a BN1?).&nbsp; <br></div><div><br></div><div>I can't attest to th=
e handling characteristics as we set up the front end with a digital level =
after installing the plates (we bought the plates to compensate for excessi=
ve positive camber, for which we never figured out the cause).&nbsp; I thin=
k we're pretty close as the tires are wearing evenly so far, but it seems t=
o me the car needs a bit more effort to 'turn in' to a corner than I expect=
ed--but this is the only 100 I have driven--and after the turn is started i=
t feels like the car oversteers.&nbsp; Plus, the car feels a little squirre=
lly in a crosswind.&nbsp; I'm taking this car to an alignment shop soon, wi=
ll consult with the shop and see what they recommend but expect I'll end up=
 with nominal 1deg neg. camber and just a smidge of toe-in, unless the shop=
 recommends something else to mitigate the initial effort for turn-in and t=
he tendency for the rear to want to pass the front.<br></div><div><br></div=
><div>Check these out (bottom of page): <br></div><div><br></div><div><a hr=
ef=3D"https://www.bighealey.co.uk/front-suspension">https://www.bighealey.c=
o.uk/front-suspension</a></div><div><br></div><div>95% of the functionality=
 for 25% of the cost.&nbsp; If I'd known about these--and assuming they wer=
e available then--I would have bought them instead of the Kilmartin parts.<=
br></div><div><br></div><div>Bob<br></div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><=
div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoratio=
n:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b=
>"Jean Caron" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>To: </=
b>"AH Mail List" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, No=
vember 22, 2016 6:26:09 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>[Healeys] Adjustable Shock Mo=
unt Kit &nbsp;-<br><div><br></div>

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<p>Can anyone that has installed the Adjustable Shock Mount Kit sold by Kil=
martin in Australia let me know the pros and cons of installing these versu=
s the original plates.
<br>
</p>
<p>Are they worth it? Does it make a lot of difference in driving, I unders=
tand that these are very handy for track use but how about regular driving.=
</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Jean<br>
</p>
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From: Larry Varley <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:20:26 +1100

Hi Jean, I like the Kilmartin kit. It was actually developed by an old 
friend and taken over by Kilmartin when he didn't want to make them any 
longer. Firstly have a good look at the condition of the threads in your 
existing shock mounts as often they are stripped or close to it. If so 
you may as well use the Kilmartin kit as at least the treads are tapped 
into a plate rather than welded in nuts. Plus you get the advantage of 
being able to adjust camber back to around zero if your going to run 
radial tyres. Other than Bob's comment I have never heard of a problem 
with the kit. I would also suggest you use hardened washers which are 
readily available on your mounting bolts to properly spread the clamping 
load on the shock body.

Cheers

Larry Varley

http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/

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From: Derek Job <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:27:15 +0000

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Depends where you are starting from and what you intend to do with the car.
If the front end is already dismantled due to a rebuild then fitting them
isn't a problem. If not then it isn't worth the effort unless you
absolutely want to run the car with negative camber, the only reason to do
this is to improve aggressive cornering ability. For normal road use they
are not necessary and the standard set up is fine.

Derek

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Larry Varley <[email-masked]> wrote:

> existing shock mounts as often they are stripped or close to it. If so you
> may as well use the Kilmartin kit as at least the treads are tapped into a
> plate rather than welded in nuts. Plus you get the advantage of being able
> to adjust camber back to around zero if your going to run radial tyres.
> Other than Bob's comment I have never heard of a problem with the kit. I
> would also suggest you use hardened washers which are readily available on
> your mounting bolts to properly spread the clamping load on the shock body.
>
> Cheers
>
> Larry Varley
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Depends where you are starting from and what you intend to=
 do with the car. If the front end is already dismantled due to a rebuild t=
hen fitting them isn&#39;t a problem. If not then it isn&#39;t worth the ef=
fort unless you absolutely want to run the car with negative camber, the on=
ly reason to do this is to improve aggressive cornering ability. For normal=
 road use they are not necessary and the standard set up is fine.=C2=A0<div=
><br></div><div>Derek</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Larry Varley <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">varley@=
cosmos.net.au</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Je=
an, I like the Kilmartin kit. It was actually developed by an old friend an=
d taken over by Kilmartin when he didn&#39;t want to make them any longer. =
Firstly have a good look at the condition of the threads in your existing s=
hock mounts as often they are stripped or close to it. If so you may as wel=
l use the Kilmartin kit as at least the treads are tapped into a plate rath=
er than welded in nuts. Plus you get the advantage of being able to adjust =
camber back to around zero if your going to run radial tyres. Other than Bo=
b&#39;s comment I have never heard of a problem with the kit. I would also =
suggest you use hardened washers which are readily available on your mounti=
ng bolts to properly spread the clamping load on the shock body.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Larry Varley<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D=
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:17:19 +0000 (UTC)

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I got my cambers bass-ackwards: our BN2 had excessive NEGATIVE camber when we bought it; the nominal camber is, of course, 1deg POSITIVE. 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Bob Spidell" <[email-masked]> 
To: "Jean Caron" <[email-masked]> 
Cc: "healeys" <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:13:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Adjustable Shock Mount Kit - 

Hi Jean, 

Bob 

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div>I got my cambers bass-ackwards: our BN2 had excessive NEGATIVE cam=
ber when we bought it; the nominal camber is, of course, 1deg POSITIVE.<br>=
</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:=
normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,s=
ans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Bob Spidell" &lt;bspidell@comcast.=
net&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Jean Caron" &lt;vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail=
.com&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"healeys" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Sent:=
 </b>Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:13:55 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys]=
 Adjustable Shock Mount Kit &nbsp;-<br><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Hi Jean,<br></div><div><=
br></div><div>We ordered these direct from Kilmartin a few years ago.&nbsp;=
 Unfortunately, we got a couple from a 'bad' batch; the plates have some ca=
ster due to a 'slant' on the base and they were reversed.&nbsp; I wrote Kil=
martin and their suggestion was to 'reverse' the plates; i.e. put the left =
one on the right and vice versa, which we deemed unacceptable for a near-co=
ncours resto..&nbsp; We got an apology, but no attempt to make good on THEI=
R mistake.&nbsp; We had to do some welding and fabbing to fit the plates to=
 their correct sides.&nbsp; <br></div><div><br></div><div>That was the seco=
nd time Kilmartin screwed-up an order from me; they also sent us a front wi=
ng repair&nbsp;panel for a BN1 when we had ordered one for a BN2.&nbsp; Tha=
t time, they told us to keep the panel and they credited us for the cost (a=
nyone need a front left wing lower repair panel for a BN1?).&nbsp; <br></di=
v><div><br></div><div>I can't attest to the handling characteristics as we =
set up the front end with a digital level after installing the plates (we b=
ought the plates to compensate for excessive positive camber, for which we =
never figured out the cause).&nbsp; I think we're pretty close as the tires=
 are wearing evenly so far, but it seems to me the car needs a bit more eff=
ort to 'turn in' to a corner than I expected--but this is the only 100 I ha=
ve driven--and after the turn is started it feels like the car oversteers.&=
nbsp; Plus, the car feels a little squirrelly in a crosswind.&nbsp; I'm tak=
ing this car to an alignment shop soon, will consult with the shop and see =
what they recommend but expect I'll end up with nominal 1deg neg. camber an=
d just a smidge of toe-in, unless the shop recommends something else to mit=
igate the initial effort for turn-in and the tendency for the rear to want =
to pass the front.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Check these out (bottom of =
page): <br></div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.bighealey.co.uk=
/front-suspension" target=3D"_blank">https://www.bighealey.co.uk/front-susp=
ension</a><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br></div><div>95% of the fun=
ctionality for 25% of the cost.&nbsp; If I'd known about these--and assumin=
g they were available then--I would have bought them instead of the Kilmart=
in parts.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Bob<br></div><br><div style=3D"color=
:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family=
:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><div><br></div><div><br></div>=
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From: Jean Caron <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 02:11:16 +0000

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Derek,

Strictly for road use but I am also replacing one of the engine pedestal th=
is winter so the engine will indeed come out.

Jean

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From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Derek Job <dere=
[email-masked]>
Sent: November 23, 2016 9:27 AM
To: 100healey .
Cc: Forum
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Adjustable Shock Mount Kit -

Depends where you are starting from and what you intend to do with the car.=
 If the front end is already dismantled due to a rebuild then fitting them =
isn't a problem. If not then it isn't worth the effort unless you absolutel=
y want to run the car with negative camber, the only reason to do this is t=
o improve aggressive cornering ability. For normal road use they are not ne=
cessary and the standard set up is fine.

Derek

[email-masked]>> wrote:
Hi Jean, I like the Kilmartin kit. It was actually developed by an old frie=
nd and taken over by Kilmartin when he didn't want to make them any longer.=
 Firstly have a good look at the condition of the threads in your existing =
shock mounts as often they are stripped or close to it. If so you may as we=
ll use the Kilmartin kit as at least the treads are tapped into a plate rat=
her than welded in nuts. Plus you get the advantage of being able to adjust=
 camber back to around zero if your going to run radial tyres. Other than B=
ob's comment I have never heard of a problem with the kit. I would also sug=
gest you use hardened washers which are readily available on your mounting =
bolts to properly spread the clamping load on the shock body.

Cheers

Larry Varley

[email-masked]

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<p>Derek, <br>
</p>
<p>Strictly for road use but I am also replacing one of the engine pedestal=
 this winter so the engine will indeed come out.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Jean<br>
</p>
<br>
<br>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys-=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Derek Job &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> November 23, 2016 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 100healey .<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Forum<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Adjustable Shock Mount Kit -</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Depends where you are starting from and what you intend to=
 do with the car. If the front end is already dismantled due to a rebuild t=
hen fitting them isn't a problem. If not then it isn't worth the effort unl=
ess you absolutely want to run the
 car with negative camber, the only reason to do this is to improve aggress=
ive cornering ability. For normal road use they are not necessary and the s=
tandard set up is fine.&nbsp;
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Derek</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Larry Varley <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">varley@cosmos=
.net.au</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1=
px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
Hi Jean, I like the Kilmartin kit. It was actually developed by an old frie=
nd and taken over by Kilmartin when he didn't want to make them any longer.=
 Firstly have a good look at the condition of the threads in your existing =
shock mounts as often they are stripped
 or close to it. If so you may as well use the Kilmartin kit as at least th=
e treads are tapped into a plate rather than welded in nuts. Plus you get t=
he advantage of being able to adjust camber back to around zero if your goi=
ng to run radial tyres. Other than
 Bob's comment I have never heard of a problem with the kit. I would also s=
uggest you use hardened washers which are readily available on your mountin=
g bolts to properly spread the clamping load on the shock body.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Larry Varley<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.acmefluid.com.au/larry/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D=
"_blank">http://www.acmefluid.com.au/la<wbr>rry/</a><br>
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