Subject: [Healeys] Was the BN4 Ever Delivered New with 4 Wheel Disc Brakes

From: "Graeme Molony" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:27:08 +1100

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Good morning guys

I want to throw a cat amongst the pigeons for your consideration/advice.

Up until yesterday I believed that the only Healey=E2=80=99s to ever =
come out with disk brakes prior to there introduction on=20
the 3000 MK 1 was on the 100S model and possibly a few Specials

Trawling the net yesterday to see if I could find the contact details =
for a Healey guy I came across a posting buy
Joe Jarrick the 100 S guru who lives here in Aust.that indicates that =
there were a least 40 late 1957 BN 4=E2=80=99s maybe
even 50 that were produced at either Warwick or maybe Longbridge that =
were equipped with 4 Wheel  Disk Brakes
prior to leaving the factory. It also appears that a conversion kit was =
available from the dealers at the time

A quick look through  a number of the usual reference books that I have =
including Geoff Healey=E2=80=99s and Bill Emerson=E2=80=99s
books and Roger Moments Restoration Guide makes no reference to there =
ever being a 100/4 with disk brakes as=20
standard equipment

What say you, does anyone know anything about this claim and maybe there =
are a few more secrets out there we=20
don=E2=80=99t know about

The web site in question including some photo=E2=80=99s of several =
supposedly original disk braked cars is as follows

www;healeysix.net/DiscBrakes.htm

Look forward to your comments

Graeme M
BJ8

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<DIV>Good morning guys</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I want to throw a cat amongst the pigeons for your=20
consideration/advice.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Up until yesterday I believed that the only Healey=E2=80=99s to =
ever come out with=20
disk brakes prior to there introduction on </DIV>
<DIV>the 3000 MK 1 was on the 100S model and possibly a few =
Specials</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Trawling the net yesterday to see if I could find the contact =
details for a=20
Healey guy I came across a posting buy</DIV>
<DIV>Joe Jarrick the 100 S guru who lives here in Aust.that indicates =
that there=20
were a least 40 late 1957 BN 4=E2=80=99s maybe</DIV>
<DIV>even 50 that were produced at either Warwick or maybe Longbridge =
that were=20
equipped with 4 Wheel&nbsp; Disk Brakes</DIV>
<DIV>prior to leaving the factory. It also appears that a conversion kit =
was=20
available from the dealers at the time</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>A quick look through&nbsp; a number of the usual reference books =
that I=20
have including Geoff Healey=E2=80=99s and Bill Emerson=E2=80=99s</DIV>
<DIV>books and Roger Moments Restoration Guide makes no reference to =
there ever=20
being a 100/4 with disk brakes as </DIV>
<DIV>standard equipment</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>What say you, does anyone know anything about this claim and maybe =
there=20
are a few more secrets out there we </DIV>
<DIV>don=E2=80=99t know about</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The web site in question including some photo=E2=80=99s of several =
supposedly=20
original disk braked cars is as follows</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D3>www;healeysix.net/DiscBrakes.htm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Look forward to your comments</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Graeme M</DIV>
<DIV>BJ8<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From: Jim Werner <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:16:59 -0500

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I have a Donald Healey Motor Co. LTD price list for U.S. Forces for the 100=
-6. The price of a car (100-6) including the M.M. Kit was $2295.00. Years a=
go this list determined this was one of the only real documents that referr=
ed to a M.M. model. Magazines did but nothing factory.

Four wheel disc brakes, servo assisted , were a option at $245.87

Th Warwick Representative was:

Andy Wilson-Gunn
Donald Healey Motor Company
The Cape, Warwick

Jim Werner

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilko2 <[email-masked]>
To: Graeme Molony <[email-masked]>
Cc: healeys <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2015 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Was the BN4 Ever Delivered New with 4 Wheel Disc Bra=
kes

There was a model called a "Mille Miglia" in marketing literature and adver=
ts that mention four wheel disk brakes.

On Dec 16, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Graeme Molony wrote:

Good morning guys
=20
I want to throw a cat amongst the pigeons for your consideration/advice.
=20
Up until yesterday I believed that the only Healey=E2=80=99s to ever come o=
ut with disk brakes prior to there introduction on=20
the 3000 MK 1 was on the 100S model and possibly a few Specials
=20
Trawling the net yesterday to see if I could find the contact details for a=
 Healey guy I came across a posting buy
Joe Jarrick the 100 S guru who lives here in Aust.that indicates that there=
 were a least 40 late 1957 BN 4=E2=80=99s maybe
even 50 that were produced at either Warwick or maybe Longbridge that were =
equipped with 4 Wheel  Disk Brakes
prior to leaving the factory. It also appears that a conversion kit was ava=
ilable from the dealers at the time
=20
A quick look through  a number of the usual reference books that I have inc=
luding Geoff Healey=E2=80=99s and Bill Emerson=E2=80=99s
books and Roger Moments Restoration Guide makes no reference to there ever =
being a 100/4 with disk brakes as=20
standard equipment
=20
What say you, does anyone know anything about this claim and maybe there ar=
e a few more secrets out there we=20
don=E2=80=99t know about
=20
The web site in question including some photo=E2=80=99s of several supposed=
ly original disk braked cars is as follows
=20
www;healeysix.net/DiscBrakes.htm
=20
Look forward to your comments
=20
Graeme M
BJ8

[email-masked]

@cox.net

[email-masked]

aol.com

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<font color=3D'black' size=3D'3' face=3D'Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>I ha=
ve a Donald Healey Motor Co. LTD price list for U.S. Forces for the 100-6. =
The price of a car (100-6) including the M.M. Kit was $2295.00. Years ago t=
his list determined this was one of the only real documents that referred t=
o a M.M. model. Magazines did but nothing factory.
<div><br>
</div>

<div>Four wheel disc brakes, servo assisted , were a option at $245.87</div=

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Th Warwick Representative was:</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Andy Wilson-Gunn</div>

<div>Donald Healey Motor Company</div>

<div>The Cape, Warwick</div>

<div><br>
<br>

<div style=3D"clear:both">
<div><strong>Jim Werner</strong></div>
</div>
<br>
<br>

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Original Message-----<br>
From: Wilko2 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Graeme Molony &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2015 10:01 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Was the BN4 Ever Delivered New with 4 Wheel Disc Bra=
kes<br>
<br>

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<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line=
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<div>There was a model called a "Mille Miglia" in marketing literature and =
adverts that mention four wheel disk brakes.</div>
<br>

<div>
<div>On Dec 16, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Graeme Molony wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote>

<div dir=3D"ltr">

<div dir=3D"ltr">

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; COLOR: #000000">

<div>Good morning guys</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>I want to throw a cat amongst the pigeons for your=20
consideration/advice.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Up until yesterday I believed that the only Healey=E2=80=99s to ever c=
ome out with=20
disk brakes prior to there introduction on </div>

<div>the 3000 MK 1 was on the 100S model and possibly a few Specials</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Trawling the net yesterday to see if I could find the contact details =
for a=20
Healey guy I came across a posting buy</div>

<div>Joe Jarrick the 100 S guru who lives here in Aust.that indicates that =
there=20
were a least 40 late 1957 BN 4=E2=80=99s maybe</div>

<div>even 50 that were produced at either Warwick or maybe Longbridge that =
were=20
equipped with 4 Wheel&nbsp; Disk Brakes</div>

<div>prior to leaving the factory. It also appears that a conversion kit wa=
s=20
available from the dealers at the time</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>A quick look through&nbsp; a number of the usual reference books that =
I=20
have including Geoff Healey=E2=80=99s and Bill Emerson=E2=80=99s</div>

<div>books and Roger Moments Restoration Guide makes no reference to there =
ever=20
being a 100/4 with disk brakes as </div>

<div>standard equipment</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>What say you, does anyone know anything about this claim and maybe the=
re=20
are a few more secrets out there we </div>

<div>don=E2=80=99t know about</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>The web site in question including some photo=E2=80=99s of several sup=
posedly=20
original disk braked cars is as follows</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"3">www;healeysix.net/DiscBrakes.htm</f=
ont></div>

<div><font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Look forward to your comments</div>

<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"3"></font>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Graeme M</div>

<div>BJ8<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

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From: "Tadeusz Malkiewicz" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 20:46:20 +0100

Hello Josef,

Why tricky in wet?

Do you mean the front to rear in not balanced well?

I have this setup on my BN2, works ok..

Tadek

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Hello Tadek,
Do you have the early Dunlop disk brake setup?
When the disks getting wet and are cold you have no brakes at all first 
second you push the brake pedal.
You should keep that in mind otherwise its a pleasant surprise to you.
Same effect you have with the 100S brakes.
Disk brakes are not always better than drums.
On my Daimler SP250 I have the 4 disk brake Girling setup with BJ8 brakes 
in the front and early 3000 14 Girling brakes in the back. This is a much 
better solution.
But I also enjoy the 4 drums on my BN1. They have excellent braking power 
and I enjoy the drum brake feeling! I still think you have much better 
brake feeling with drums. Disks are like having a brake booster installed 
and its more difficult to find the right brake power and not to overbrake.

Josef

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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Was the BN4 Ever Delivered New with 4 Wheel Disc 
Brakes
Datum: 2015-12-18T20:46:28+0100
Von: "Tadeusz Malkiewicz" <[email-masked]>
An: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>

Hello Josef,

Why tricky in wet?

Tadek

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helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Hel=
lo Tadek,<br />Do you have the early Dunlop disk brake setup?<br />When the=
 disks getting wet and are cold you have no brakes at all first second you =
push the brake pedal. <br />You should keep that in mind otherwise its a pl=
easant surprise to you.<br />Same effect you have with the 100S brakes. <br=
 />Disk brakes are not always better than drums.<br />On my Daimler SP250 I=
 have the 4 disk brake Girling setup with BJ8 brakes in the front and early=
 3000 14 Girling brakes in the back. This is a much better solution.<br />B=
ut I also enjoy the 4 drums on my BN1. They have excellent braking power an=
d I enjoy the drum brake feeling! I still think you have much better brake =
feeling with drums. Disks are like having a brake booster installed and its=
 more difficult to find the right brake power and not to overbrake.<br /><b=
r />Josef<br /><br />-----Original-Nachricht-----<br />Betreff: Re: [Healey=
s] Was the BN4 Ever Delivered New with 4 Wheel Disc Brakes<br />Datum: 2015=
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plusnet.pl&gt;<br />An: "[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;<br /><br />Hello Josef,<br /><br />Why tricky in wet?<br /><br />Do yo=
u mean the front to rear in not balanced well?<br /><br />I have this setup=
 on my BN2, works ok..<br /><br /><br />Tadek<br /><br /><br />---<br />Thi=
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