Subject: Re: [Healeys] Toe In

From: Derek Job <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 07:28:40 +0100

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Toe in is important. Too much and you'll get heavy steering and worn tyres,
too little or toe out will stress the front end set up. I place axle stands
on the floor and tie string to them. They are easy to move and keep the
string tight.

On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Roger Grace <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I had been fiddling with my steering rods so had to reset the toe in.
> All a bit fiddly and wonder if the more experienced Listers have a
> different/better technique ... ??
>
> This is what I do:
> car level and front tire pressure balanced.
> installed 2x al 1=E2=80=9D square tubing (sq for straightness) about 27/2=
8 in long
> for 165/15 tyres across the bottom of the wheels; about 6 in from the
> floor; tried to use bungy cords but in the end made a small retaining
> bracket that screws behind the spokes; made these 2 bars level; tightened
> just firm enough to stop movement.
> marked the front and rear tire extremity on this bar.
> bar cannot be higher as frame gets in the way of a tape measure for rear
> measurement.
> measured front and rear distances at tire extremity to give about 3/32 to=
e
> in
> I feel that the limitation of this method is that am trying to measure a
> relatively small distance over about 5 ft and the assumption that the tyr=
e
> side walls are uniform.
> Took at least 5 adjustment and measurements to get close =E2=80=93 of cou=
rse the
> LH thread always fools me .. !!
> Any ideas ?
>
> Wonder how critical this toe in really is ?
>
> rg
> 67 BJ8
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Toe in is important. Too much and you&#39;ll get heavy ste=
ering and worn tyres, too little or toe out will stress the front end set u=
p. I place axle stands on the floor and tie string to them. They are easy t=
o move and keep the string tight.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Roger Grace <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">roggra=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
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<div>I had been fiddling with my steering rods so had to reset the toe in.<=
/div>
<div>All a bit fiddly and wonder if the more experienced Listers have a=20
different/better technique ... ??</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>This is what I do:</div>
<div>car level and front tire pressure balanced.</div>
<div>installed 2x al 1=E2=80=9D square tubing (sq for straightness) about 2=
7/28 in long=20
for 165/15 tyres across the bottom of the wheels; about 6 in from the floor=
;=20
tried to use bungy cords but in the end made a small retaining bracket that=
=20
screws behind the spokes; made these 2 bars level; tightened just firm enou=
gh to=20
stop movement.</div>
<div>marked the front and rear tire extremity on this bar.</div>
<div>bar cannot be higher as frame gets in the way of a tape measure for re=
ar=20
measurement.</div>
<div>measured front and rear distances at tire extremity to give about 3/32=
 toe=20
in</div>
<div>I feel that the limitation of this method is that am trying to measure=
 a=20
relatively small distance over about 5 ft and the assumption that the tyre =
side=20
walls are uniform.</div>
<div>Took at least 5 adjustment and measurements to get close =E2=80=93 of =
course the LH=20
thread always fools me .. !!</div>
<div>Any ideas ?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Wonder how critical this toe in really is ?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>rg</div>
<div>67 BJ8</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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Within limits it is not that critical but treat the specification as a 
maximum toe in to fend of uneven tyre wear. It also depends on the rest 
of the suspension set up, tyres, tyre pressure and use of the car.
For the standard set up, cross ply tyres and just some leisurely touring 
around you would want something very near the specified toe in. For 
radial tyres with a bit higher tyre pressure, a bit less toe in to zero.
If you have a negative camber set up, stiffer springs, anti roll bars 
and doing some serious fast driving, zero to a bit toe out is often 
used. This will take some experimenting, what suits you best.
Do not do this yourself but have it done at a reputable service station 
that preferably has some experience in motor sport and has the proper 
equipment to perform 4-wheel aligning. This way slight imperfections in 
the chassis and suspension can be compensated for.
Kees Oudesluijs

Roger Grace schreef op 9-8-2015 om 21:09:
> installed 2x al 1” square tubing (sq for straightness) about 27/28 in 
> long for 165/15 tyres across the bottom of the wheels; about 6 in from 
> the floor; tried to use bungy cords but in the end made a small 
> retaining bracket that screws behind the spokes; made these 2 bars 
> level; tightened just firm enough to stop movement.
> bar cannot be higher as frame gets in the way of a tape measure for 
> rear measurement.
> measured front and rear distances at tire extremity to give about 3/32 
> toe in
> I feel that the limitation of this method is that am trying to measure 
> a relatively small distance over about 5 ft and the assumption that 
> the tyre side walls are uniform.
> Took at least 5 adjustment and measurements to get close – of course 
> the LH thread always fools me .. !!
> Any ideas ?
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Within limits it is not that critical
      but treat the specification as a maximum toe in to fend of uneven
      tyre wear. It also depends on the rest of the suspension set up,
      tyres, tyre pressure and use of the car.<br>
      For the standard set up, cross ply tyres and just some leisurely
      touring around you would want something very near the specified
      toe in. For radial tyres with a bit higher tyre pressure, a bit
      less toe in to zero.<br>
      If you have a negative camber set up, stiffer springs, anti roll
      bars and doing some serious fast driving, zero to a bit toe out is
      often used. This will take some experimenting, what suits you best.<br>
      Do not do this yourself but have it done at a reputable service
      station that preferably has some experience in motor sport and has
      the proper equipment to perform 4-wheel aligning. This way slight
      imperfections in the chassis and suspension can be compensated
      for.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Roger Grace schreef op 9-8-2015 om 21:09:<br>
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                      <div>I had been fiddling with my steering rods so
                        had to reset the toe in.</div>
                      <div>All a bit fiddly and wonder if the more
                        experienced Listers have a different/better
                        technique ... ??</div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>This is what I do:</div>
                      <div>car level and front tire pressure balanced.</div>
                      <div>installed 2x al 1” square tubing (sq for
                        straightness) about 27/28 in long for 165/15
                        tyres across the bottom of the wheels; about 6
                        in from the floor; tried to use bungy cords but
                        in the end made a small retaining bracket that
                        screws behind the spokes; made these 2 bars
                        level; tightened just firm enough to stop
                        movement.</div>
                      <div>marked the front and rear tire extremity on
                        this bar.</div>
                      <div>bar cannot be higher as frame gets in the way
                        of a tape measure for rear measurement.</div>
                      <div>measured front and rear distances at tire
                        extremity to give about 3/32 toe in</div>
                      <div>I feel that the limitation of this method is
                        that am trying to measure a relatively small
                        distance over about 5 ft and the assumption that
                        the tyre side walls are uniform.</div>
                      <div>Took at least 5 adjustment and measurements
                        to get close – of course the LH thread always
                        fools me .. !!</div>
                      <div>Any ideas ?</div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>Wonder how critical this toe in really is ?</div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>rg</div>
                      <div>67 BJ8</div>
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Roger--

That is the way I set toe on my race cars.  It may not be as precise as
some of the fancy equipment out there but I think it works within the
limitations of our cars.

Best--Michael Oritt

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Roger=
--</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">That is the way I set toe =
on my race cars.=C2=A0 It may not be as precise as some of the fancy equipm=
ent out there but I think it works within the limitations of our cars.</div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 9, 201=
5 at 3:09 PM, Roger Grace <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@=
telus.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><b=
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<div>I had been fiddling with my steering rods so had to reset the toe in.<=
/div>
<div>All a bit fiddly and wonder if the more experienced Listers have a=20
different/better technique ... ??</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>This is what I do:</div>
<div>car level and front tire pressure balanced.</div>
<div>installed 2x al 1=E2=80=9D square tubing (sq for straightness) about 2=
7/28 in long=20
for 165/15 tyres across the bottom of the wheels; about 6 in from the floor=
;=20
tried to use bungy cords but in the end made a small retaining bracket that=
=20
screws behind the spokes; made these 2 bars level; tightened just firm enou=
gh to=20
stop movement.</div>
<div>marked the front and rear tire extremity on this bar.</div>
<div>bar cannot be higher as frame gets in the way of a tape measure for re=
ar=20
measurement.</div>
<div>measured front and rear distances at tire extremity to give about 3/32=
 toe=20
in</div>
<div>I feel that the limitation of this method is that am trying to measure=
 a=20
relatively small distance over about 5 ft and the assumption that the tyre =
side=20
walls are uniform.</div>
<div>Took at least 5 adjustment and measurements to get close =E2=80=93 of =
course the LH=20
thread always fools me .. !!</div>
<div>Any ideas ?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Wonder how critical this toe in really is ?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>rg</div>
<div>67 BJ8</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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Subject:  Re: [Healeys] Toe In

That great Australian 'works' Healey driver Paul Hawkins after he drove
Sprites and 3000s at Sebring,LeMans and ther Targa Florio went on to be a
'works Porsche and Ford GT driver. He also drove a F.1 Lotus at Monarco
Anyway when he drove one of the Porsches he thought it handled badly and was
not backward in advising the Porsche factory mechanics. Paul claimed the
wheel alignment was out. Team Porsche said this is impossible as it was set
at the factory and consquently a mere driver should not change it. Hawkins
being a hands-on mechanic ( he did own a BN.2 in Australia ) said crap and
got 4 oil drums and some string and his favourite spanner. On completion of
the re-alignment he then went out and was some seconds faster. Job done.

Moral of the story is 4 corner objects and some string will do it.

For those who have not viewed it take a look at Paul and Timo Makinen at
work in a 'works' 3000   ABL 92B ( ? ) at the Targa. Some sound effects at
the beginning and in car footage.

Joe

Roger--

That is the way I set toe on my race cars.  It may not be as precise as some
of the fancy equipment out there but I think it works within the limitations
of our cars.

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 after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calib=
ri, sans-serif; "><div>That great Australian 'works' Healey driver Paul Hawk=
ins after he drove Sprites and 3000s at Sebring,LeMans and ther Targa Florio=
 went on to be a 'works Porsche and Ford GT driver. He also drove a F.1 Lotu=
s at Monarco</div><div>Anyway when he drove one of the Porsches he thought i=
t handled badly and was not backward in advising the Porsche factory mechani=
cs. Paul claimed the wheel alignment was out. Team Porsche said this is impo=
ssible as it was set at the factory and consquently a mere driver should not=
 change it. Hawkins being a hands-on mechanic ( he did own a BN.2 in Austral=
ia ) said crap and got 4 oil drums and some string and his favourite spanner=
. On completion of the re-alignment he then went out and was some seconds fa=
ster. Job done.</div><div><br></div><div>Moral of the story is 4 corner obje=
cts and some string will do it.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>For those who=
 have not viewed it take a look at Paul and Timo Makinen at work in a 'works=
' 3000 &nbsp; ABL 92B ( ? ) at the Targa. Some sound effects at the beginnin=
g and in car footage.</div><div><br></div><div>Joe</div><div><br></div><span=
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efault" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Roger--</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">T=
hat is the way I set toe on my race cars.&nbsp; It may not be as precise as =
some of the fancy equipment out there but I think it works within the limita=
tions of our cars.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt<=
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:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000"><div>Wonder how critical th=
is toe in really is ?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>rg</div><div>67 BJ8</div><d=
iv>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________</blockquote>=
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Joe

From:  Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Michael Oritt
<[email-masked]>
Date:  Monday, 10 August 2015 8:02 PM
To:  Roger Grace <[email-masked]>
Cc:  Healey List <[email-masked]>
Subject:  Re: [Healeys] Toe In

Roger--

Best--Michael Oritt

> Wonder how critical this toe in really is ?

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pace; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:=
 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>That great Australian 'works=
' Healey driver Paul Hawkins after he drove Sprites and 3000s at Sebring,LeM=
ans and ther Targa Florio went on to be a 'works Porsche and Ford GT driver.=
 He also drove a F.1 Lotus at Monarco</div><div>Anyway when he drove one of =
the Porsches he thought it handled badly and was not backward in advising th=
e Porsche factory mechanics. Paul claimed the wheel alignment was out. Team =
Porsche said this is impossible as it was set at the factory and consquently=
 a mere driver should not change it. Hawkins being a hands-on mechanic ( he =
did own a BN.2 in Australia ) said crap and got 4 oil drums and some string =
and his favourite spanner. On completion of the re-alignment he then went ou=
t and was some seconds faster. Job done.</div><div><br></div><div>Moral of t=
he story is 4 corner objects and some string will do it.&nbsp;</div><div><br=
></div><div>For those who have not viewed it take a look at Paul and Timo Ma=
kinen at work in a 'works' 3000 &nbsp; ABL 92B ( ? ) at the Targa. Some soun=
d effects at the beginning and in car footage.</div><div><br></div><div>Joe<=
/div><div><br></div><span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style=3D"font-family:=
Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium=
 none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PAD=
DING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; P=
ADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span> Healeys &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; on behalf of Michael Oritt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.=
com">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date:=
 </span> Monday, 10 August 2015 8:02 PM<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To=
: </span> Roger Grace &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">roggrace@telus=
.net</a>&gt;<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> Healey List &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [Healeys] Toe In<br></div><=
div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff=
">Roger--</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">That is the way I set toe on =
my race cars.&nbsp; It may not be as precise as some of the fancy equipment =
out there but I think it works within the limitations of our cars.</div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLO=
R:#000000"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:&quo=
t;Calibri&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:i=
nline"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS'=
;COLOR:#000000"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISP=
LAY:inline"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic San=
s MS';COLOR:#000000"><div>Wonder how critical this toe in really is ?</div><=
div>&nbsp;</div><div>rg</div><div>67 BJ8</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</=
div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></=
div></div></div><br>_______________</blockquote></div></div></span></body></=
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Joe

Roger--

Best--Michael Oritt

> Wonder how critical this toe in really is ?

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pace; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:=
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an id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit=
-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0=
); "><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><br></=
div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 15px;"><br></span>=
</div><span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style=3D"font-size: 14px; font-family: C=
alibri, sans-serif; "><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-=
align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium non=
e; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #=
b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style=3D"=
font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [Healeys] Toe In<br></div><div><br></=
div><div><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webki=
t-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-=
family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>That great Australian 'works' Healey dri=
ver Paul Hawkins after he drove Sprites and 3000s at Sebring,LeMans and ther=
 Targa Florio went on to be a 'works Porsche and Ford GT driver. He also dro=
ve a F.1 Lotus at Monarco</div><div>Anyway when he drove one of the Porsches=
 he thought it handled badly and was not backward in advising the Porsche fa=
ctory mechanics. Paul claimed the wheel alignment was out. Team Porsche said=
 this is impossible as it was set at the factory and consquently a mere driv=
er should not change it. Hawkins being a hands-on mechanic ( he did own a BN=
.2 in Australia ) said crap and got 4 oil drums and some string and his favo=
urite spanner. On completion of the re-alignment he then went out and was so=
me seconds faster. Job done.</div><div><br></div><div>Moral of the story is =
4 corner objects and some string will do it.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>=
For those who have not viewed it take a look at Paul and Timo Makinen at wor=
k in a 'works' 3000 &nbsp; ABL 92B ( ? ) at the Targa. Some sound effects at=
 the beginning and in car footage.</div><div><br></div><div>Joe</div><div><b=
r></div><span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Roger--</div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"col=
or:#3333ff">That is the way I set toe on my race cars.&nbsp; It may not be a=
s precise as some of the fancy equipment out there but I think it works with=
in the limitations of our cars.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color=
:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--M=
ichael Oritt</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:sm=
all;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:&quot;Calibri&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;=
COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"F=
ONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000"><div style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:&quot;Calibri&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:no=
rmal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000"><div>Wonder ho=
w critical this toe in really is ?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>rg</div><div>6=
7 BJ8</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________=
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 23:51:08 +1000

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Joe

Roger--

Best--Michael Oritt

> Wonder how critical this toe in really is ?

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an id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit=
-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0=
); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BO=
DY_SECTION"><div><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space=
; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div style=3D"=
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><br></div><div><span cl=
ass=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 15px;"><br></span></div><span id=3D"O=
LK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style=3D"font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-seri=
f; "><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color=
:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM=
: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid;=
 BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style=3D"font-weight:bold"=
>Subject: </span> Re: [Healeys] Toe In<br></div><div><br></div><div><div sty=
le=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: aft=
er-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; "><div>That great Australian 'works' Healey driver Paul Hawkins =
after he drove Sprites and 3000s at Sebring,LeMans and ther Targa Florio wen=
t on to be a 'works Porsche and Ford GT driver. He also drove a F.1 Lotus at=
 Monarco</div><div>Anyway when he drove one of the Porsches he thought it ha=
ndled badly and was not backward in advising the Porsche factory mechanics. =
Paul claimed the wheel alignment was out. Team Porsche said this is impossib=
le as it was set at the factory and consquently a mere driver should not cha=
nge it. Hawkins being a hands-on mechanic ( he did own a BN.2 in Australia )=
 said crap and got 4 oil drums and some string and his favourite spanner. On=
 completion of the re-alignment he then went out and was some seconds faster=
. Job done.</div><div><br></div><div>Moral of the story is 4 corner objects =
and some string will do it.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>For those who hav=
e not viewed it take a look at Paul and Timo Makinen at work in a 'works' 30=
00 &nbsp; ABL 92B ( ? ) at the Targa. Some sound effects at the beginning an=
d in car footage.</div><div><br></div><div>Joe</div><div><br></div><span id=3D=
"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Roger--</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"col=
or:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">That =
is the way I set toe on my race cars.&nbsp; It may not be as precise as some=
 of the fancy equipment out there but I think it works within the limitation=
s of our cars.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAM=
ILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATI=
ON:none;FONT-FAMILY:&quot;Calibri&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FON=
T-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FON=
T-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DEC=
ORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:&quot;Calibri&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#00000=
0;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000"><div>Wonder how critical this t=
oe in really is ?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>rg</div><div>67 BJ8</div><div>&=
nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div></div></div></=
div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________</blockquote></di=
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Roger--

Best--Michael Oritt

> Wonder how critical this toe in really is ?

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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><br></div><div><span clas=
s=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 15px;"><br></span></div><span id=3D"OLK=
_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style=3D"font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;=
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lack; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: =
0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; B=
ORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">S=
ubject: </span> Re: [Healeys] Toe In<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style=
=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after=
-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sa=
ns-serif; "><div>That great Australian 'works' Healey driver Paul Hawkins af=
ter he drove Sprites and 3000s at Sebring,LeMans and ther Targa Florio went =
on to be a 'works Porsche and Ford GT driver. He also drove a F.1 Lotus at M=
onarco</div><div>Anyway when he drove one of the Porsches he thought it hand=
led badly and was not backward in advising the Porsche factory mechanics. Pa=
ul claimed the wheel alignment was out. Team Porsche said this is impossible=
 as it was set at the factory and consquently a mere driver should not chang=
e it. Hawkins being a hands-on mechanic ( he did own a BN.2 in Australia ) s=
aid crap and got 4 oil drums and some string and his favourite spanner. On c=
ompletion of the re-alignment he then went out and was some seconds faster. =
Job done.</div><div><br></div><div>Moral of the story is 4 corner objects an=
d some string will do it.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>For those who have =
not viewed it take a look at Paul and Timo Makinen at work in a 'works' 3000=
 &nbsp; ABL 92B ( ? ) at the Targa. Some sound effects at the beginning and =
in car footage.</div><div><br></div><div>Joe</div><div><br></div><span id=3D"O=
LK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Roger--</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color=
:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">That is=
 the way I set toe on my race cars.&nbsp; It may not be as precise as some o=
f the fancy equipment out there but I think it works within the limitations =
of our cars.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMIL=
Y:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION=
:none;FONT-FAMILY:&quot;Calibri&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-=
STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-=
FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECOR=
ATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:&quot;Calibri&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;=
FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;=
FONT-FAMILY:'Comic Sans MS';COLOR:#000000"><div>Wonder how critical this toe=
 in really is ?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>rg</div><div>67 BJ8</div><div>&nb=
sp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________</blockquote></div>=
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Roger--

Best--Michael Oritt

> Wonder how critical this toe in really is ?

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In all out racing and rallying it is not all that important as steering 
is more by throttle that by steering wheel and wear is hardly an issue. 
However in day to day driving it is fairly importan to save your tires 
and  keep the steering from wandering to much.
Kees Oudesluijs

J. Armour schreef op 10-8-2015 om 15:51:
> That great Australian 'works' Healey driver Paul Hawkins after he 
> drove Sprites and 3000s at Sebring,LeMans and ther Targa Florio went 
> on to be a 'works Porsche and Ford GT driver. He also drove a F.1 
> Lotus at Monarco
> Anyway when he drove one of the Porsches he thought it handled badly 
> and was not backward in advising the Porsche factory mechanics. Paul 
> claimed the wheel alignment was out. Team Porsche said this is 
> impossible as it was set at the factory and consquently a mere driver 
> should not change it. Hawkins being a hands-on mechanic ( he did own a 
> BN.2 in Australia ) said crap and got 4 oil drums and some string and 
> his favourite spanner. On completion of the re-alignment he then went 
> out and was some seconds faster. Job done.
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> For those who have not viewed it take a look at Paul and Timo Makinen 
> at work in a 'works' 3000   ABL 92B ( ? ) at the Targa. Some sound 
> effects at the beginning and in car footage.
>
> Joe
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> Roger--
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> That is the way I set toe on my race cars.  It may not be as precise 
> as some of the fancy equipment out there but I think it works within 
> the limitations of our cars.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
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      not all that important as steering is more by throttle that by
      steering wheel and wear is hardly an issue. However in day to day
      driving it is fairly importan to save your tires and  keep the
      steering from wandering to much.<br>
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                    <div><span>Subject: </span> Re: [Healeys] Toe In<br>
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                        <div>That great Australian 'works' Healey driver
                          Paul Hawkins after he drove Sprites and 3000s
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                        <div>Anyway when he drove one of the Porsches he
                          thought it handled badly and was not backward
                          in advising the Porsche factory mechanics.
                          Paul claimed the wheel alignment was out. Team
                          Porsche said this is impossible as it was set
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                          should not change it. Hawkins being a hands-on
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                        <div>Moral of the story is 4 corner objects and
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From: Larry Varley <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 21:36:21 +1000

Hi Roger, I have a couple of 1/2 rods that are longer than the width of 
my widest car. They have small holes drilled sideways near each end. I 
set these up on stands at wheel center height at each end of the car and 
run a string line through the holes forming a square box around the car. 
The rods position is adjusted until all wheels are an even distance to 
the string line. Once set up which only takes a few minutes you can 
measure off the string line and accurately check both front and back 
wheel alignment, it is not unheard of for a Healey to have a bent diff 
housing causing rear toe in or out. I would set some toe in regardless 
of what tyres you use.
Regards
Larry Varley

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