Subject: Re: [Healeys] #174 has a running problem

From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 09:49:22 -0400

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For those of you how have been waiting to hear more about this long running
(:D) saga. here is an update.
I should have gone with my gut on this one...
Despite the fact that the "original" Lucas 45012E coil would produce a
solid spark every time I tested it I decided to substitute a Sport Coil
that I had just to be sure that that was not the problem!!!
The result was an immediate transformation in the way the engine starts and
runs. Fires up at the first push of the "S" button and idles smoothly at
600 RPM.
In addition the "run on" problem seems to have mysteriously vanished..
I'm working on acquiring a replacement 45012 coil.
BTW the one that was on the car was, it turns out, a reproduction which was
fairly well done but upon close examination was quite clearly not an
"original".
Many thanks to everyone for their helpful recommendations...now for that
long awaited 100 mile test drive.

Michael S
BN1 #174

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Michael <[email-masked]> wrote:

> You were absolutely correct.
> Have yet to do a long run but replacing the"very expensive" original coil
> solved the problem. The car has been transformed....
> Michael S
> ------------------------------
> From: [email-masked]
> Sent: =E2=80=8E6/=E2=80=8E08/=E2=80=8E2015 5:11 p.m.
> To: Michael <[email-masked]>
>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] #174 has a running problem
>
> So is this the true cause?
> Ken
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael <[email-masked]>
> To: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>, [email-masked]
> Sent: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:09:15 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] #174 has a running problem
>
> Well here is what I found.
> The brown wire that runs from the starter solenoid to the "A" terminal of
> the voltage regulator had come out but was resting on the terminal screw.=
 I
> re installed that wire and the engine started immediately and seemed to r=
un
> perfectly on a short 2 mile test drive...I didn't have time to do a
> prolonged drive before loading and departing for Enclave....
> Do you think I have it?
>
> Michael S
> BN1 #174
> ------------------------------
> From: Bob Haskell <[email-masked]>
> Sent: =E2=80=8E16/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2015 6:00 p.m.
> To: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] #174 has a running problem
>
> Intermittent grounding of the coil to cut-off switch wire?
>
> Bob Haskell
> AHCA 3000 Mk I registrar
> http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php
>
> On 07/16/2015 02:32 PM, Michael Salter wrote:
> > I have done the following;
> >
> > STEPS TAKEN TO FIND RUNNING PROBLEM
> >
> > This car has an original cap, original wires, original NA8 spark plugs,
> > original black coil, original fuel pump. I am determined not to change
> > any of these original parts unless I can confirm definitely that that
> > item is the source of the problems=E2=80=A6it a concours issue!!
> >
> > After many short trips 10 =E2=80=93 15 miles etc... the engine started =
to run
> > very badly after 35 odd miles of a longer test drive on a warm but not
> > hot day after travelling over a few hundred meters of rough road under
> > construction eventually stopping completely as I tried to climb a hill.
> > Sounded to be running on 2 cylinders at times. Backfiring through
> > exhaust=E2=80=A6 no throttle response.
> >
> > Cranked but would not start..Appeared to have spark at the coil wire..
> >
> > Affer cooling started out again=E2=80=A6after 20 odd miles stopped with=
 the same
> > symptoms=E2=80=A6 pulling choke seemed to make no difference.
> >
> > Could not hear fuelpump ticking but had fuel pressure at the front
> > carb=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6good spark at coil wire=E2=80=A6spark at plugs lo=
oked thin =E2=80=A6Changed the
> > condenser and the rotor and it started reluctantly and ran well for
> > about 15 miles then stopped again=E2=80=A6.same symptoms=E2=80=A6.chang=
ed rotor=E2=80=A6ran for
> > 2 miles same symptoms=E2=80=A6
> >
> > Found =E2=80=9C3 cut=E2=80=9D washers under the carb float chamber stru=
ts which I think
> > could be sealing off the vent slots for the float chambers=E2=80=A6
> >
> > Next day, today, I headed out for another extended drive and the car ra=
n
> > perfectly on a similar day for 36 miles then repeated the problem after
> > 36 miles and I just managed to nurse it home another 11 miles=E2=80=A6.=
it
> > actually died as I approached our driveway and I coasted in with the
> > ignition turned off.Nothing would make it start.
> >
> > Tested the coil 4.6 ohms with no short to ground. Took off the float
> > chamber lids and both were full to the correct level. The engine cranke=
d
> > but would just not start..
> >
> > After checking everything I could think of I believe that I have found
> > the problem but I don=E2=80=99t have time to do another 36 mile test be=
fore
> > loading the car to take to Enclave=E2=80=A6
> >
> > What do you think I found?
> >
> >
> > Michael..
> >
> > --
> > /If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem./
> >
> >
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">For those of you how have been waiting to=
 hear more about this long running (:D) saga. here is an update.<br></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:small">I should have gone with my gut on this one...<br></div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font=
-size:small">Despite the fact that the &quot;original&quot; Lucas 45012E co=
il would produce a solid spark every time I tested it I decided to substitu=
te a Sport Coil that I had just to be sure that that was not the problem!!!=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,s=
ans-serif;font-size:small">The result was an immediate transformation in th=
e way the engine starts and runs. Fires up at the first push of the &quot;S=
&quot; button and idles smoothly at 600 RPM.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">In a=
ddition the &quot;run on&quot; problem seems to have mysteriously vanished.=
.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,=
sans-serif;font-size:small">I&#39;m working on acquiring a replacement 4501=
2 coil. <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic s=
ans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">BTW the one that was on the car was, it =
turns out, a reproduction which was fairly well done but upon close examina=
tion was quite clearly not an &quot;original&quot;.<br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:smal=
l">Many thanks to everyone for their helpful recommendations...now for that=
 long awaited 100 mile test drive.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Michael S<=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:small">BN1 #174 =C2=A0 <br></div></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Mi=
chael <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif=
;font-size:11pt">You were absolutely correct.<br>Have yet to do a long run =
but replacing the&quot;very expensive&quot; original coil solved the proble=
m. The car has been transformed....<br>Michael S</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><hr><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-wei=
ght:bold">From: </span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:11pt"><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">goldengt@ca=
l.net</a></span><br><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size=
:11pt;font-weight:bold">Sent: </span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,san=
s-serif;font-size:11pt">=E2=80=8E6/=E2=80=8E08/=E2=80=8E2015 5:11 p.m.</spa=
n><br><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-wei=
ght:bold">To: </span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:11pt"><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Micha=
el</a></span><div><div class=3D"h5"><br><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Subject: </span><span style=3D"=
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Re: [Healeys] #174 has a run=
ning problem</span><br><br></div></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div>So=
 is this the true cause?</div><div>Ken</div><div><br></div><div>----- Origi=
nal Message -----<br>From: Michael &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael.salter@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: Michael S=
alter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mich=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>Sent: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:09:15=
 -0700 (PDT)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] #174 has a running problem<br></div>=
<div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:=
11pt">Well here is what I found.<br>The brown wire that runs from the start=
er solenoid to the &quot;A&quot; terminal of the voltage regulator had come=
 out but was resting on the terminal screw. I re installed that wire and th=
e engine started immediately and seemed to run perfectly on a short 2 mile =
test drive...I didn&#39;t have time to do a prolonged drive before loading =
and departing for Enclave....<br>Do you think I have it?<br><div><br></div>=
Michael S<br>BN1 #174</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><hr><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">From: </span><spa=
n style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Bob Haskell</a></span><br><span=
 style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">S=
ent: </span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">=
=E2=80=8E16/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2015 6:00 p.m.</span><br><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">To: </span><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Michael Salter</a>; <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a></span><br><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt=
;font-weight:bold">Subject: </span><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-=
serif;font-size:11pt">Re: [Healeys] #174 has a running problem</span><br><d=
iv><br></div></div>Intermittent grounding of the coil to cut-off switch wir=
e?<br><div><br></div>Bob Haskell<br>AHCA 3000 Mk I registrar<br><a href=3D"=
http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cia=
hc.org/registry_3000mk1.php</a><br><div><br></div>On 07/16/2015 02:32 PM, M=
ichael Salter wrote:<br>&gt; I have done the following;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; STE=
PS TAKEN TO FIND RUNNING PROBLEM<br>&gt;<br>&gt; This car has an original c=
ap, original wires, original NA8 spark plugs,<br>&gt; original black coil, =
original fuel pump. I am determined not to change<br>&gt; any of these orig=
inal parts unless I can confirm definitely that that<br>&gt; item is the so=
urce of the problems=E2=80=A6it a concours issue!!<br>&gt;<br>&gt; After ma=
ny short trips 10 =E2=80=93 15 miles etc... the engine started to run<br>&g=
t; very badly after 35 odd miles of a longer test drive on a warm but not<b=
r>&gt; hot day after travelling over a few hundred meters of rough road und=
er<br>&gt; construction eventually stopping completely as I tried to climb =
a hill.<br>&gt; Sounded to be running on 2 cylinders at times. Backfiring t=
hrough<br>&gt; exhaust=E2=80=A6 no throttle response.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Crank=
ed but would not start..Appeared to have spark at the coil wire..<br>&gt;<b=
r>&gt; Affer cooling started out again=E2=80=A6after 20 odd miles stopped w=
ith the same<br>&gt; symptoms=E2=80=A6 pulling choke seemed to make no diff=
erence.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Could not hear fuelpump ticking but had fuel pressu=
re at the front<br>&gt; carb=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6good spark at coil wire=E2=80=
=A6spark at plugs looked thin =E2=80=A6Changed the<br>&gt; condenser and th=
e rotor and it started reluctantly and ran well for<br>&gt; about 15 miles =
then stopped again=E2=80=A6.same symptoms=E2=80=A6.changed rotor=E2=80=A6ra=
n for<br>&gt; 2 miles same symptoms=E2=80=A6<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Found =E2=80=
=9C3 cut=E2=80=9D washers under the carb float chamber struts which I think=
<br>&gt; could be sealing off the vent slots for the float chambers=E2=80=
=A6<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Next day, today, I headed out for another extended driv=
e and the car ran<br>&gt; perfectly on a similar day for 36 miles then repe=
ated the problem after<br>&gt; 36 miles and I just managed to nurse it home=
 another 11 miles=E2=80=A6.it<br>&gt; actually died as I approached our dri=
veway and I coasted in with the<br>&gt; ignition turned off.Nothing would m=
ake it start.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Tested the coil 4.6 ohms with no short to gro=
und. Took off the float<br>&gt; chamber lids and both were full to the corr=
ect level. The engine cranked<br>&gt; but would just not start..<br>&gt;<br=
>&gt; After checking everything I could think of I believe that I have foun=
d<br>&gt; the problem but I don=E2=80=99t have time to do another 36 mile t=
est before<br>&gt; loading the car to take to Enclave=E2=80=A6<br>&gt;<br>&=
gt; What do you think I found?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Michael..<br>&gt;<br=
>&gt; --<br>&gt; /If you can&#39;t fix it with a hammer, you&#39;ve got an =
electrical problem./<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; ______________________=
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