Subject: Re: [Fot] How many times can you line bore a block?

From: Chuck Gee <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2026 18:20:04 -0400

I could be wrong, but I don’t think line boring affects that dimension.  I understand it to be making the caps a little shorter then reboring to match the upper diameter in the block.  

Otherwise, a bunch of other dimensions would be goofed up too.

Chuck Gee

> On Jul 27, 2026, at 4:56 PM, Philip Gott <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Or another way to ask the question is “how much misalignment between the crankshaft and transmission input shaft can be tolerated?”
> I had a block completely gone through, including line boring and it ran very well until number one cylinder liner suddenly split. The engine hydro locked and broke the crank and front main bearing cap. I have a new cap; to use it requires the block be line bored again. I’m wondering if anyone else has a similar experience and can tell me either that it worked out well, or that I should throw the block away.
> Thanks as always!
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From: Philip Gott <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2026 20:39:11 -0400

Yes, that is my understanding too. But according to my machine shop they do end up taking a couple of thousandths off the top of the journal. A couple of thou is within tolerance, but now we’re talking four thou or so, having to do it twice.  Getting a bit out of line….
They did say that if I had a bell housing that would unbolt from the gearbox they could “dial it in” with offset dowel pins….
But alas I don’t have such a bell housing kicking around.

Sent from my iPhone

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2026 08:41:39 +0200

Hi Chuck,

the crank is moving upwards from bore action to bore action. Means the piston deck is getting closer to the head each time and also the chain gets loosen more and more because the crank is moving towards the camshaft.
A matter of measurement how far you can go.

Cheers
Chris

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Subject: Re: [Fot] How many times can you line bore a block?

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2026 13:36:17 +0000 (UTC)

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 There's no real "spec" on that, much depends on the existing housing bore =
dimension on the other 2 mains, & how much was taken off initially.If it di=
dn't have much taken off in the initial line-boring, & center & rear housin=
g bores are in limit, it shouldn't change the crank center too much to size=
 the front cap & clean it up... but... if excessive it will affect all poin=
ts noted, & rear seal concentricity...Heck I've seen engines that were bore=
d so much that the bearing tang groove was too small!
Glen Efinger

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<[email-masked]> wrote:  =20

 Hi Chuck,

the crank is moving upwards from bore action to bore action. Means the pist=
on deck is getting closer to the head each time and also the chain gets loo=
sen more and more because the crank is moving towards the camshaft.
A matter of measurement how far you can go.

Cheers
Chris

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Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2026 12:20 AM
To: Philip Gott <[email-masked]>
Cc: Friends Of Triumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] How many times can you line bore a block?

I could be wrong, but I don=E2=80=99t think line boring affects that dimens=
ion.=C2=A0 I understand it to be making the caps a little shorter then rebo=
ring to match the upper diameter in the block.=C2=A0=20

Chuck Gee

> On Jul 27, 2026, at 4:56=E2=80=AFPM, Philip Gott <[email-masked]> wrote=
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> =EF=BB=BFOr another way to ask the question is =E2=80=9Chow much misalign=
ment between the crankshaft and transmission input shaft can be tolerated?=
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> I had a block completely gone through, including line boring and it ran v=
ery well until number one cylinder liner suddenly split. The engine hydro l=
ocked and broke the crank and front main bearing cap. I have a new cap; to =
use it requires the block be line bored again. I=E2=80=99m wondering if any=
one else has a similar experience and can tell me either that it worked out=
 well, or that I should throw the block away.
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From: Bob Kramer <[email-masked]>
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I think Chris nailed it. Move it up too much and the timing chain becomes
an issue as well as the input shaft.

A long time ago I bought all the leftover Triumph stuff from a repair shop
that once was a Triumph dealership, which included spare engine cores and
among other things a box of loose bearing caps. There was a block without
caps that was nice otherwise and I decided not to waste it. I was able to
find a set of caps that was close when measured by the fingernail test. For
all I knew they may have been the correct ones but had separated
years earlier. My machinist line bored the block and reported back that the
crank front to back angle was not aligned very well; tilted when compared
to the camshaft bores, and that he had cleaned that up for me. I look back
now and suspect that he was justifying a large bill but who knows. Years
later I still have a couple of core engines I haven't used, stashed away.
The only long term result of saving that block was a thinner wallet. All
this stuff is fixable, including resetting the transmission alignment, if
you want to spend the money.

On a side note, we have also measured blocks where the figure 8
cylinder ledge was off when compared to the deck surface, and I've never
measured a block where the deck and oil pan surface were aligned, so I
don't deck the blocks.

Bob

On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 3:08=E2=80=AFAM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
>
> the crank is moving upwards from bore action to bore action. Means the
> piston deck is getting closer to the head each time and also the chain ge=
ts
> loosen more and more because the crank is moving towards the camshaft.
> I could be wrong, but I don=E2=80=99t think line boring affects that dime=
nsion.  I
> understand it to be making the caps a little shorter then reboring to mat=
ch
> the upper diameter in the block.
>
> > On Jul 27, 2026, at 4:56=E2=80=AFPM, Philip Gott <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
> >
> > =EF=BB=BFOr another way to ask the question is =E2=80=9Chow much misali=
gnment between
> the crankshaft and transmission input shaft can be tolerated?=E2=80=9D
> > I had a block completely gone through, including line boring and it ran
> very well until number one cylinder liner suddenly split. The engine hydr=
o
> locked and broke the crank and front main bearing cap. I have a new cap; =
to
> use it requires the block be line bored again. I=E2=80=99m wondering if a=
nyone else
> has a similar experience and can tell me either that it worked out well, =
or
> that I should throw the block away.
> > Thanks as always!
> > Phi
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think Chris nailed it. Move it up too much and the=C2=A0=
timing chain becomes an issue as well as the input shaft.=C2=A0<div><br></d=
iv><div>A long time ago I bought all the leftover Triumph stuff from=C2=A0a=
 repair shop that once was a Triumph dealership, which included spare engin=
e cores and among=C2=A0other things a box of loose bearing caps. There was =
a block without caps that was=C2=A0nice otherwise=C2=A0and I decided not to=
 waste it. I was able to find a set of caps that was close=C2=A0when measur=
ed by the fingernail test. For all I knew they may have been the correct on=
es but had separated years=C2=A0earlier. My machinist line bored the block =
and reported back that the crank front to back angle was not aligned very w=
ell; tilted when compared to the camshaft bores, and that he had cleaned th=
at up for me. I look back now and suspect that he was justifying a large bi=
ll but who knows. Y<span style=3D"background-color:transparent">ears later =
I still have a couple of core engines I haven&#39;t used, stashed away. The=
 only long term result=C2=A0of saving that block=C2=A0was a thinner wallet.=
=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"background-color:transparent">All this stuff is=
 fixable, including resetting the transmission alignment, if you want to sp=
end the money.=C2=A0 =C2=A0</span></div><div><br></div><div>On a side=C2=A0=
note, we have also measured blocks where the figure 8 cylinder=C2=A0ledge w=
as off when compared to the deck surface, and=C2=A0I&#39;ve never measured =
a block where the deck and oil pan surface were aligned, so I don&#39;t dec=
k the blocks.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Bob</div><div><br></d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 3:08=E2=80=AFAM &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Chuck,<br>
<br>
the crank is moving upwards from bore action to bore action. Means the pist=
on deck is getting closer to the head each time and also the chain gets loo=
sen more and more because the crank is moving towards the camshaft.<br>
A matter of measurement how far you can go.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Chris<br>
<br>
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k">[email-masked]</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Chuck Gee<br>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2026 12:20 AM<br>
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[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] How many times can you line bore a block?<br>
<br>
I could be wrong, but I don=E2=80=99t think line boring affects that dimens=
ion.=C2=A0 I understand it to be making the caps a little shorter then rebo=
ring to match the upper diameter in the block.=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
Otherwise, a bunch of other dimensions would be goofed up too.<br>
<br>
Chuck Gee<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jul 27, 2026, at 4:56=E2=80=AFPM, Philip Gott &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BFOr another way to ask the question is =E2=80=9Chow much misal=
ignment between the crankshaft and transmission input shaft can be tolerate=
d?=E2=80=9D<br>
&gt; I had a block completely gone through, including line boring and it ra=
n very well until number one cylinder liner suddenly split. The engine hydr=
o locked and broke the crank and front main bearing cap. I have a new cap; =
to use it requires the block be line bored again. I=E2=80=99m wondering if =
anyone else has a similar experience and can tell me either that it worked =
out well, or that I should throw the block away.<br>
&gt; Thanks as always!<br>
&gt; Phi<br>
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