Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 race car possible change of series

From: Chuck Gee <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2026 23:59:23 -0400

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Hi Jamie,

Check out VDCA, https://www.vintagedrive.com/.  I=E2=80=99m down in SC and t=
his is the group I race with.  Tracks we race include Roebling Road, VIR, Ro=
ad Atlanta.  A real easy and friendly group.

You can find the rules on their website.  You are correct about the fibergla=
ss and fuel injection, probably the bumpers too.  They look too heavy anyway=
.

Feel free to reach out with any questions.

Chuck Gee

> On Mar 17, 2026, at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Palmer <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
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> =EF=BB=BFOk, friends=E2=80=A6help!
> I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9Cbudget=E2=80=9D endurance race car last year, o=
nly to find long driving stints may no longer work for my hands (long story)=
.  So, one thought that occurred to me was to examine what changes I=E2=80=99=
d need to make to make it *eligible* (note, not competitive) for vintage.  I=
=E2=80=99m guessing the fiberglass fenders, bumpers and modern fuel injectio=
n would have to go, right?  Not major issues.  Cosmetically I wanted it pret=
ty nice as long as you don=E2=80=99t look TOO close ;-)
>=20
>=20
> What else? =20
>=20
> Car is prepared to a moderate standard, but very safe.  Has full cage, fir=
e suppression, fuel cell, etc.  See pics if they come through.
>=20
> Are the 200TW DOT tires legal?
>=20
> Thanks for any recommendations, especially sanctioning bodies in the South=
east (I=E2=80=99m in NC).
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> Jamie Palmer_______________________________________________
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Hi Jamie,<div><br></div><div>Check out VDCA=
,&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://www.vintagedrive.com/">https://www.vintagedrive.co=
m/</a>. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99m down in SC and this is the group I race with. &nbs=
p;Tracks we race include Roebling Road, VIR, Road Atlanta. &nbsp;A real easy=
 and friendly group.</div><div><br></div><div>You can find the rules on thei=
r website. &nbsp;You are correct about the fiberglass and fuel injection, pr=
obably the bumpers too. &nbsp;They look too heavy anyway.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Feel free to reach out with any questions.</div><div><br id=3D"lineBr=
eakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Chuck Gee</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2026, at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Pa=
lmer &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Ok, friends=E2=80=A6help!</s=
pan><br><span>I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9Cbudget=E2=80=9D endurance race car l=
ast year, only to find long driving stints may no longer work for my hands (=
long story). &nbsp;So, one thought that occurred to me was to examine what c=
hanges I=E2=80=99d need to make to make it *eligible* (note, not competitive=
) for vintage. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99m guessing the fiberglass fenders, bumpers an=
d modern fuel injection would have to go, right? &nbsp;Not major issues. &nb=
sp;Cosmetically I wanted it pretty nice as long as you don=E2=80=99t look TO=
O close ;-)<div>&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;</div><div>=
&lt;image2.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image3.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image4.jpeg&=
gt;</div><div>&lt;image5.jpeg&gt;</div><span></span><br><span></span><br><sp=
an>What else? &nbsp;</span><br><span></span><br><span>Car is prepared to a m=
oderate standard, but very safe. &nbsp;Has full cage, fire suppression, fuel=
 cell, etc. &nbsp;See pics if they come through.</span><br><span></span><br>=
<span>Are the 200TW DOT tires legal?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks=
 for any recommendations, especially sanctioning bodies in the Southeast (I=E2=
=80=99m in NC).</span><br><span></span><br><span>Jamie Palmer<span>_________=
______________________________________</span><br><span>[email-masked]</s=
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From: Bob Kramer <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 07:58:11 -0500

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Jamie

We were at a crossroads with our ChampCar TR6 as well. It did its job and
by my count it helped 6 drivers make the decision to get involved with
vintage racing. As time went on we made the car faster by adding fuel
injection and aero and raced with experienced drivers to great effect.
Everyone had a great time but their focus was on their vintage car and last
year we did not have enough of us older drivers to make a ChampCar entry
work. The car sat all year but still starts right up!  This year, we gave
it one last try at getting enough drivers and we have a group of younger
drivers and a couple of new drivers, so we have three races planned. The
fact that COTA is turning itself into a private, high dollar, membership
only club, and there is one last ChampCar race there in December gave
people the impetus to sign up. After that,I think the end is near for my
ChampCar program.

Here's what I know.  My Texas club recently updated our rules and added
classes for 1985 cars. Other clubs have rules with cut off years that vary,
but the reality of shrinking grids has hit vintage racing clubs and soon
most will accept more modern cars. In the 1985 SCCA GCR and PCS car weights
are reduced and fiberglass panels are allowable. Modern Fuel injection is
clearly out, because almost all rules are based on the concept of "period
correct".  Triumph's fuel injection is allowed. The TR6 has a couple of
build options, in Former CP, GT2C and former DP in GT3D. The PCS rules are
almost identical but the car weight is substantially higher for GT3D.
You'll want to ditch the bumpers and upgrade the camshaft and valve train,
and most clubs want a period looking paint job. You can run dual SU's or
Strombergs in GT3D, but you'll want Webers for GT2C.

My car would need a lot of work for a vintage conversion, mostly because
the bones are so bad. The body is very rough under the panels and the
floors are literally road signs. It worked for Lemon's, WRL, and
Chump/Champ, but the driveline is top notch. I'm not sure what I am going
to do with it going forward but after this year I will make a decision. I
may pull it apart and move the driveline into a street car.

Bob

On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 at 23:22, Chuck Gee <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hi Jamie,
>
> Check out VDCA, https://www.vintagedrive.com/.  I=E2=80=99m down in SC an=
d this
> is the group I race with.  Tracks we race include Roebling Road, VIR, Roa=
d
> Atlanta.  A real easy and friendly group.
>
> You can find the rules on their website.  You are correct about the
> fiberglass and fuel injection, probably the bumpers too.  They look too
> heavy anyway.
>
> On Mar 17, 2026, at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Palmer <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
> I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9Cbudget=E2=80=9D endurance race car last year, =
only to find long
> driving stints may no longer work for my hands (long story).  So, one
> thought that occurred to me was to examine what changes I=E2=80=99d need =
to make to
> make it *eligible* (note, not competitive) for vintage.  I=E2=80=99m gues=
sing the
> fiberglass fenders, bumpers and modern fuel injection would have to go,
> right?  Not major issues.  Cosmetically I wanted it pretty nice as long a=
s
> you don=E2=80=99t look TOO close ;-)
>
>
> What else?
>
> Car is prepared to a moderate standard, but very safe.  Has full cage,
> fire suppression, fuel cell, etc.  See pics if they come through.
>
> Thanks for any recommendations, especially sanctioning bodies in the
> Southeast (I=E2=80=99m in NC).
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Jamie<div><br></div><div>We were at a crossroads with our =
ChampCar TR6 as well. It did its job and by my count it helped 6 drivers ma=
ke the decision to get involved with vintage racing. As time went on we mad=
e the car faster by adding fuel injection and aero and raced with experienc=
ed=C2=A0drivers to great effect. Everyone had a great time but their focus =
was on their vintage car and last year we did not have enough of us older d=
rivers to make a ChampCar entry work. The car sat all year but still starts=
 right up!=C2=A0 This year, we gave it one last try at getting enough drive=
rs and we have a group of younger drivers and a couple of new drivers, so w=
e have three races planned. The fact that COTA is turning itself into a pri=
vate, high dollar, membership only club, and there is one last ChampCar rac=
e there in December gave people the impetus to sign up. After=C2=A0that,I t=
hink the end is near for my ChampCar program.=C2=A0 =C2=A0</div><div><br></=
div><div>Here&#39;s what I know.=C2=A0 My Texas club recently updated=C2=A0=
our rules and added classes for 1985 cars. Other clubs have rules with cut =
off years that vary, but the reality of shrinking grids has hit vintage rac=
ing clubs and soon most will accept more modern cars. In the 1985 SCCA GCR =
and PCS car weights are reduced and fiberglass panels are allowable. Modern=
 Fuel injection is clearly out, because almost all rules are based on the c=
oncept of &quot;period correct&quot;.=C2=A0 Triumph&#39;s fuel injection is=
 allowed. The TR6 has a couple of build options, in Former CP, GT2C and for=
mer DP in GT3D. The PCS rules are almost identical but the car weight is su=
bstantially higher for GT3D. You&#39;ll want to ditch the bumpers and upgra=
de the camshaft and valve train, and most clubs want a period looking paint=
 job. You can run dual SU&#39;s or Strombergs in GT3D, but you&#39;ll want =
Webers for GT2C.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My car would need a lot of wo=
rk for a vintage conversion, mostly because the bones are so bad. The body =
is very rough under the panels and the floors are literally road signs. It =
worked for Lemon&#39;s, WRL, and Chump/Champ, but the driveline is top notc=
h. I&#39;m not sure what I am going to do with it going forward but after t=
his year I will make a decision. I may pull it apart and move the driveline=
 into a street car.</div><div><br></div><div>Bob</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 at 23:22, Chuck Gee &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chasgee22@g=
mail.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Jamie,<div><br></div><div=
>Check out VDCA,=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.vintagedrive.com/" target=3D"_=
blank">https://www.vintagedrive.com/</a>.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m down in SC and =
this is the group I race with.=C2=A0 Tracks we race include Roebling Road, =
VIR, Road Atlanta.=C2=A0 A real easy and friendly group.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>You can find the rules on their website.=C2=A0 You are correct about=
 the fiberglass and fuel injection, probably the bumpers too.=C2=A0 They lo=
ok too heavy anyway.</div><div><br></div><div>Feel free to reach out with a=
ny questions.</div><div><br id=3D"m_-8543069323078392619lineBreakAtBeginnin=
gOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Chuck Gee</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2026, at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Palmer &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Ok, friends=E2=80=A6help!</span><br><span>I finishe=
d my TR6 =E2=80=9Cbudget=E2=80=9D endurance race car last year, only to fin=
d long driving stints may no longer work for my hands (long story).=C2=A0 S=
o, one thought that occurred to me was to examine what changes I=E2=80=99d =
need to make to make it *eligible* (note, not competitive) for vintage.=C2=
=A0 I=E2=80=99m guessing the fiberglass fenders, bumpers and modern fuel in=
jection would have to go, right?=C2=A0 Not major issues.=C2=A0 Cosmetically=
 I wanted it pretty nice as long as you don=E2=80=99t look TOO close ;-)<di=
v>&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image2.jp=
eg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image3.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image4.jpeg&gt;</div><di=
v>&lt;image5.jpeg&gt;</div><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>What els=
e? =C2=A0</span><br><span></span><br><span>Car is prepared to a moderate st=
andard, but very safe.=C2=A0 Has full cage, fire suppression, fuel cell, et=
c.=C2=A0 See pics if they come through.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ar=
e the 200TW DOT tires legal?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks for an=
y recommendations, especially sanctioning bodies in the Southeast (I=E2=80=
=99m in NC).</span><br><span></span><br><span>Jamie Palmer<span>___________=
____________________________________</span><br><span><a href=3D"mailto:fot@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></span><br><span></=
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From: Terry Sopher <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 09:29:12 -0400

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Jamie - Apex Motorsports is near you, if you are still living where you were=
 when Cathy & I were in NC/TCOC.  They maintain a number of cars for VDCA me=
mbers and may be good to talk with them in addition to the Info Chuck sent b=
elow!

Hope to make it to The Gathering this year!

Best, Terry=20

> On Mar 18, 2026, at 00:11, Chuck Gee <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFHi Jamie,
>=20
> Check out VDCA, https://www.vintagedrive.com/.  I=E2=80=99m down in SC and=
 this is the group I race with.  Tracks we race include Roebling Road, VIR, R=
oad Atlanta.  A real easy and friendly group.
>=20
> You can find the rules on their website.  You are correct about the fiberg=
lass and fuel injection, probably the bumpers too.  They look too heavy anyw=
ay.
>>> On Mar 17, 2026, at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Palmer <[email-masked]>=
>>=20
>>=20
>> What else? =20
>>=20
>> Car is prepared to a moderate standard, but very safe.  Has full cage, fi=
re suppression, fuel cell, etc.  See pics if they come through.
>> Thanks for any recommendations, especially sanctioning bodies in the Sout=
heast (I=E2=80=99m in NC).
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee22@g=
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<html class=3D"apple-mail-supports-explicit-dark-mode"><head><meta http-equi=
v=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D=
"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jamie - Apex Motorsports is n=
ear you, if you are still living where you were when Cathy &amp; I were in N=
C/TCOC. &nbsp;They maintain a number of cars for VDCA members and may be goo=
d to talk with them in addition to the Info Chuck sent below!</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hope to make it to The Gathering this year!=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Best, Terry&nbsp;</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 18, 2026, at 00:11, Chuck=
 Gee &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" c=
ontent=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Hi Jamie,<div><br></div><div>Check out=
 VDCA,&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://www.vintagedrive.com/">https://www.vintagedri=
ve.com/</a>. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99m down in SC and this is the group I race with.=
 &nbsp;Tracks we race include Roebling Road, VIR, Road Atlanta. &nbsp;A real=
 easy and friendly group.</div><div><br></div><div>You can find the rules on=
 their website. &nbsp;You are correct about the fiberglass and fuel injectio=
n, probably the bumpers too. &nbsp;They look too heavy anyway.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Feel free to reach out with any questions.</div><div><br id=3D"l=
ineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Chuck Gee</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2026, at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM, Jam=
es Palmer &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Ok, friends=E2=80=A6hel=
p!</span><br><span>I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9Cbudget=E2=80=9D endurance race=
 car last year, only to find long driving stints may no longer work for my h=
ands (long story). &nbsp;So, one thought that occurred to me was to examine w=
hat changes I=E2=80=99d need to make to make it *eligible* (note, not compet=
itive) for vintage. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99m guessing the fiberglass fenders, bumpe=
rs and modern fuel injection would have to go, right? &nbsp;Not major issues=
. &nbsp;Cosmetically I wanted it pretty nice as long as you don=E2=80=99t lo=
ok TOO close ;-)<div>&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;</div>=
<div>&lt;image2.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image3.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image4.=
jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image5.jpeg&gt;</div><span></span><br><span></span><b=
r><span>What else? &nbsp;</span><br><span></span><br><span>Car is prepared t=
o a moderate standard, but very safe. &nbsp;Has full cage, fire suppression,=
 fuel cell, etc. &nbsp;See pics if they come through.</span><br><span></span=
><br><span>Are the 200TW DOT tires legal?</span><br><span></span><br><span>T=
hanks for any recommendations, especially sanctioning bodies in the Southeas=
t (I=E2=80=99m in NC).</span><br><span></span><br><span>Jamie Palmer<span>__=
_____________________________________________</span><br><span>[email-masked]=
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From: Jamie Palmer <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 13:40:22 +0000 (UTC)

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 Bob, thanks for the valuable input.=C2=A0 It sounds like your thoughts are=
 very similar to mine.=C2=A0 One option is for me to cannibalize the car fo=
r the other TR6-based vehicles (my 73 street car, the 2000 Mk. 1 sedan, a H=
unter kit car, and a Jamaican kit car), but it turned out quite nicely (I w=
as lucky enough to start with a fairly solid pile of "bitsa") and I hate to=
 do that after 5 years building and prepping the car.
The VDCA rules sound quite reasonable, and I don't think it would be too di=
fficult to find four suitable fenders.=C2=A0 I originally got the engine ru=
nning on a set of 175 CDs anyway, so they are sitting there ready to go.=C2=
=A0 Honestly, I'm not that worried about being "competitive", just would li=
ke to not be the slowest car on track by 5 seconds a lap (Lucky Dog experie=
nce last fall).=C2=A0 Heck, she's (her name is Lacey) set up to run on regu=
lar unleaded as it's darned expensive to run premium all weekend!=C2=A0=C2=
=A0
Thanks again, friends, and I'll keep all informed.=C2=A0 Chuck has been kin=
d enough to invite Cristina and me to the VDCA event coming up at the end o=
f March, so we're planning on coming up on the Saturday to check things out=
.
To be honest...I'm excited!
Jamie=C2=A0
    On Wednesday, March 18, 2026 at 08:58:47 AM EDT, Bob Kramer <rkramer56@=
gmail.com> wrote: =20
=20
 Jamie
We were at a crossroads with our ChampCar TR6 as well. It did its job and b=
y my count it helped 6 drivers make the decision to get involved with vinta=
ge racing. As time went on we made the car faster by adding fuel injection =
and aero and raced with experienced=C2=A0drivers to great effect. Everyone =
had a great time but their focus was on their vintage car and last year we =
did not have enough of us older drivers to make a ChampCar entry work. The =
car sat all year but still starts right up!=C2=A0 This year, we gave it one=
 last try at getting enough drivers and we have a group of younger drivers =
and a couple of new drivers, so we have three races planned. The fact that =
COTA is turning itself into a private, high dollar, membership only club, a=
nd there is one last ChampCar race there in December gave people the impetu=
s to sign up. After=C2=A0that,I think the end is near for my ChampCar progr=
am.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
Here's what I know.=C2=A0 My Texas club recently updated=C2=A0our rules and=
 added classes for 1985 cars. Other clubs have rules with cut off years tha=
t vary, but the reality of shrinking grids has hit vintage racing clubs and=
 soon most will accept more modern cars. In the 1985 SCCA GCR and PCS car w=
eights are reduced and fiberglass panels are allowable. Modern Fuel injecti=
on is clearly out, because almost all rules are based on the concept of "pe=
riod correct".=C2=A0 Triumph's fuel injection is allowed. The TR6 has a cou=
ple of build options, in Former CP, GT2C and former DP in GT3D. The PCS rul=
es are almost identical but the car weight is substantially higher for GT3D=
. You'll want to ditch the bumpers and upgrade the camshaft and valve train=
, and most clubs want a period looking paint job. You can run dual SU's or =
Strombergs in GT3D, but you'll want Webers for GT2C.

My car would need a lot of work for a vintage conversion, mostly because th=
e bones are so bad. The body is very rough under the panels and the floors =
are literally road signs. It worked for Lemon's, WRL, and Chump/Champ, but =
the driveline is top notch. I'm not sure what I am going to do with it goin=
g forward but after this year I will make a decision. I may pull it apart a=
nd move the driveline into a street car.
Bob
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 at 23:22, Chuck Gee <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hi Jamie,
Check out VDCA,=C2=A0https://www.vintagedrive.com/.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m down =
in SC and this is the group I race with.=C2=A0 Tracks we race include Roebl=
ing Road, VIR, Road Atlanta.=C2=A0 A real easy and friendly group.
You can find the rules on their website.=C2=A0 You are correct about the fi=
berglass and fuel injection, probably the bumpers too.=C2=A0 They look too =
heavy anyway.
Feel free to reach out with any questions.
Chuck Gee

On Mar 17, 2026, at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Palmer <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:

=EF=BB=BFOk, friends=E2=80=A6help!
I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9Cbudget=E2=80=9D endurance race car last year, on=
ly to find long driving stints may no longer work for my hands (long story)=
.=C2=A0 So, one thought that occurred to me was to examine what changes I=
=E2=80=99d need to make to make it *eligible* (note, not competitive) for v=
intage.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m guessing the fiberglass fenders, bumpers and mode=
rn fuel injection would have to go, right?=C2=A0 Not major issues.=C2=A0 Co=
smetically I wanted it pretty nice as long as you don=E2=80=99t look TOO cl=
ose ;-)<im=
age5.jpeg>

What else? =C2=A0

Car is prepared to a moderate standard, but very safe.=C2=A0 Has full cage,=
 fire suppression, fuel cell, etc.=C2=A0 See pics if they come through.

Thanks for any recommendations, especially sanctioning bodies in the Southe=
ast (I=E2=80=99m in NC).

il.com

il.com

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob, thanks for the valuable=
 input.&nbsp; It sounds like your thoughts are very similar to mine.&nbsp; =
One option is for me to cannibalize the car for the other TR6-based vehicle=
s (my 73 street car, the 2000 Mk. 1 sedan, a Hunter kit car, and a Jamaican=
 kit car), but it turned out quite nicely (I was lucky enough to start with=
 a fairly solid pile of "bitsa") and I hate to do that after 5 years buildi=
ng and prepping the car.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The VDCA rules sound quite reaso=
nable, and I don't think it would be too difficult to find four suitable fe=
nders.&nbsp; I originally got the engine running on a set of 175 CDs anyway=
, so they are sitting there ready to go.&nbsp; Honestly, I'm not that worri=
ed about being "competitive", just would like to not be the slowest car on =
track by 5 seconds a lap (Lucky Dog experience last fall).&nbsp; Heck, she'=
s (her name is Lacey) set up to run on regular unleaded as it's darned expe=
nsive to run premium all weekend!&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-se=
tdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Thanks agai=
n, friends, and I'll keep all informed.&nbsp; Chuck has been kind enough to=
 invite Cristina and me to the VDCA event coming up at the end of March, so=
 we're planning on coming up on the Saturday to check things out.</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false">To be honest...I'm excited!</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D=
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                        On Wednesday, March 18, 2026 at 08:58:47 AM EDT, Bo=
b Kramer &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp3f747457yiv3421800372"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Jamie<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>We were at a crossroads with o=
ur ChampCar TR6 as well. It did its job and by my count it helped 6 drivers=
 make the decision to get involved with vintage racing. As time went on we =
made the car faster by adding fuel injection and aero and raced with experi=
enced&nbsp;drivers to great effect. Everyone had a great time but their foc=
us was on their vintage car and last year we did not have enough of us olde=
r drivers to make a ChampCar entry work. The car sat all year but still sta=
rts right up!&nbsp; This year, we gave it one last try at getting enough dr=
ivers and we have a group of younger drivers and a couple of new drivers, s=
o we have three races planned. The fact that COTA is turning itself into a =
private, high dollar, membership only club, and there is one last ChampCar =
race there in December gave people the impetus to sign up. After&nbsp;that,=
I think the end is near for my ChampCar program.&nbsp; &nbsp;</div><div><br=
 clear=3D"none"></div><div>Here's what I know.&nbsp; My Texas club recently=
 updated&nbsp;our rules and added classes for 1985 cars. Other clubs have r=
ules with cut off years that vary, but the reality of shrinking grids has h=
it vintage racing clubs and soon most will accept more modern cars. In the =
1985 SCCA GCR and PCS car weights are reduced and fiberglass panels are all=
owable. Modern Fuel injection is clearly out, because almost all rules are =
based on the concept of "period correct".&nbsp; Triumph's fuel injection is=
 allowed. The TR6 has a couple of build options, in Former CP, GT2C and for=
mer DP in GT3D. The PCS rules are almost identical but the car weight is su=
bstantially higher for GT3D. You'll want to ditch the bumpers and upgrade t=
he camshaft and valve train, and most clubs want a period looking paint job=
. You can run dual SU's or Strombergs in GT3D, but you'll want Webers for G=
T2C.<br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>My car woul=
d need a lot of work for a vintage conversion, mostly because the bones are=
 so bad. The body is very rough under the panels and the floors are literal=
ly road signs. It worked for Lemon's, WRL, and Chump/Champ, but the driveli=
ne is top notch. I'm not sure what I am going to do with it going forward b=
ut after this year I will make a decision. I may pull it apart and move the=
 driveline into a street car.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Bob</=
div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydp3f747457yiv3421800372gmail_qu=
ote ydp3f747457yiv3421800372gmail_quote_container"><div id=3D"ydp3f747457yi=
v3421800372yqt06282" class=3D"ydp3f747457yiv3421800372yqt4479241974"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydp3f747457yiv3421800372gmail_attr">On Tue, 17 Mar 2026=
 at 23:22, Chuck Gee &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydp3f747457yiv=
3421800372gmail_quote"><div>Hi Jamie,<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Che=
ck out VDCA,&nbsp;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.vintagedrive.com/" =
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.vintagedrive.com/</a>.&nbsp;=
 I=E2=80=99m down in SC and this is the group I race with.&nbsp; Tracks we =
race include Roebling Road, VIR, Road Atlanta.&nbsp; A real easy and friend=
ly group.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>You can find the rules on=
 their website.&nbsp; You are correct about the fiberglass and fuel injecti=
on, probably the bumpers too.&nbsp; They look too heavy anyway.</div><div><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Feel free to reach out with any questions.</di=
v><div><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"ydp3f747457yiv3421800372m_-8543069323078392=
619lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Chuck Gee</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2026, at =
10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Palmer &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:tr6driv=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Ok, friends=E2=80=A6help!</=
span><br clear=3D"none"><span>I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9Cbudget=E2=80=9D en=
durance race car last year, only to find long driving stints may no longer =
work for my hands (long story).&nbsp; So, one thought that occurred to me w=
as to examine what changes I=E2=80=99d need to make to make it *eligible* (=
note, not competitive) for vintage.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m guessing the fibergla=
ss fenders, bumpers and modern fuel injection would have to go, right?&nbsp=
; Not major issues.&nbsp; Cosmetically I wanted it pretty nice as long as y=
ou don=E2=80=99t look TOO close ;-)</span><div>&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</div><di=
v>&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image2.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image3.jp=
eg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image4.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image5.jpeg&gt;</div><sp=
an></span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span>What els=
e? &nbsp;</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span>Ca=
r is prepared to a moderate standard, but very safe.&nbsp; Has full cage, f=
ire suppression, fuel cell, etc.&nbsp; See pics if they come through.</span=
><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span>Are the 200TW DOT=
 tires legal?</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><spa=
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heast (I=E2=80=99m in NC).</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=
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From: Mark Cook <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 09:45:43 -0400

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Jamie,

Great to hear from you.  I am familiar with your car having checked out
your cage in Pittsboro last year.  I recall you were running Lucy Dog
Racing.  I cannot speak to the conversion, but fuel injection is permitted
though not sure if it requires original equipment from "the day".

So, I joined FOT and VDCA in 2024, have had a great time with the FOT
members picking their brains.  I highly recommend you try to visit VIR
during the VDCA VIR WIld Hare Run, Fri-Sun, March 27-29.  There, you can
meet some of the FOT members and see their cars.
https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/3E645049-BFBC-0EAA-FB81891B17AC42D6/st=
atus

FOT members Chuck Gee, Henry Frye, Tony Drew, Phil Gott, Mark Wheatly, and
Allen Goode are registered running their Triumph TR3s and 4s, mostly in
Group 3 and a few others in Group 1 with Spitfires. There are no Triumphs
this year in Group 8, which is what I ran in last year running against some
Mustangs.   I cannot make it this year and had to cancel my registration.
But, I had a ball last year. I am considering running in SVRA in September,
but VDCA is also running at CMP this year in September - not to far from
Pittsboro.

My TR6 is stored at VIR, so let me know if you would like to see it for
ideas as well.

I suspect your car will likely run in Group 8 for VDCA (and SVRA) depending
on the modifications, possibly Group 3 if it is taken back to twin
SUs/Strombergs.  VDCA bases their classes and rules generally on SVRA
groups.  Though VDCA references SCCA vintage rules as well.  My car has
triple webers which kick it into Group 8 regardless.

Below are some links as well as the SVRA specs for TR5-250-6 cars.

Call me anytime and would be glad to share my experience.  I will send you
a text separately.

Mark Cook

Groups & Specs
SVRA Triumph TR5-250-6 Specs (Group 8)
https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/TR_5-250-6.pdf

SVRA Group 3 Car Rules -
https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Svra_Group_3_1_25.pdf
SVRA Group 8 Car Rules -
https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Svra_Group_8_1_22.pdf
VDCA Car Groups -  https://www.vintagedrive.com/cars-groups

Tires: I have been running Hoosier HOTDR 24x7 tires.  These are basically
the same compound at Hoosier R7s, but fully treaded as the prior SVRA and
VDCA rules required.  This year, the tire rules for Group 8 have been
modified to allow Hoosier R7 and Race R8s as well as Toyo RR (now R).  In
addition to those tires, ."Any Treaded, DOT approved Tires with a UTQG of
100 or greater with appropriate Speed Rating and a minimum Aspect Ratio of
45" are permitted

SVRA Tire Regulations
https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/SVRA_Tire_Regulations_1_26.pdf

VDCA Tire Regulations
https://www.vintagedrive.com/_files/ugd/ab1165_8aa3f6ded156444c935067e7f619=
de09.pdf

On Wed, Mar 18, 2026 at 9:03=E2=80=AFAM Bob Kramer <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:

> Everyone had a great time but their focus was on their vintage car and la=
st
> classes for 1985 cars. Other clubs have rules with cut off years that var=
y,
> most will accept more modern cars. In the 1985 SCCA GCR and PCS car weigh=
ts
> build options, in Former CP, GT2C and former DP in GT3D. The PCS rules ar=
e
> You'll want to ditch the bumpers and upgrade the camshaft and valve train=
,
>> Check out VDCA, https://www.vintagedrive.com/.  I=E2=80=99m down in SC a=
nd this
>> is the group I race with.  Tracks we race include Roebling Road, VIR, Ro=
ad
 wrote:
>> I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9Cbudget=E2=80=9D endurance race car last year,=
 only to find
>> long driving stints may no longer work for my hands (long story).  So, o=
ne
>> thought that occurred to me was to examine what changes I=E2=80=99d need=
 to make to
>> make it *eligible* (note, not competitive) for vintage.  I=E2=80=99m gue=
ssing the
>> right?  Not major issues.  Cosmetically I wanted it pretty nice as long =
as
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Jamie,</div><div><br></div><div>Grea=
t to hear from you.=C2=A0 I am familiar with your car having checked out yo=
ur cage in Pittsboro last year.=C2=A0 I recall you were running Lucy Dog Ra=
cing.=C2=A0 I cannot speak to the conversion, but fuel injection is permitt=
ed though not sure if it requires original equipment from &quot;the day&quo=
t;.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>So, I joined FOT=C2=A0and VDCA in =
2024, have had a great time with the FOT members picking their brains.=C2=
=A0 I highly recommend you try to visit VIR during the VDCA VIR WIld Hare R=
un, Fri-Sun, March 27-29.=C2=A0 There, you can meet some of the FOT=C2=A0me=
mbers and see their cars.</div><div><a href=3D"https://www.motorsportreg.co=
m/events/3E645049-BFBC-0EAA-FB81891B17AC42D6/status">https://www.motorsport=
reg.com/events/3E645049-BFBC-0EAA-FB81891B17AC42D6/status</a></div><div><br=
></div><div>FOT members Chuck Gee, Henry Frye, Tony Drew, Phil Gott, Mark W=
heatly, and Allen Goode are registered running their Triumph TR3s and 4s, m=
ostly in Group 3 and a few others in Group 1 with Spitfires. There are no T=
riumphs this year in Group 8, which is what I ran in last year running agai=
nst some Mustangs.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I cannot make it this year and had to cancel=
 my registration.=C2=A0 But, I had a ball last year. I am considering runni=
ng in SVRA in September, but VDCA is also running at CMP this year in Septe=
mber - not to far from Pittsboro.</div><div><br></div><div>My TR6 is stored=
 at VIR, so let me know if you would like to see it for ideas as well.=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I suspect your car will likely run in Group 8 =
for VDCA (and SVRA) depending on the modifications, possibly Group 3 if it =
is taken back to twin SUs/Strombergs.=C2=A0 VDCA bases their classes and ru=
les generally on SVRA groups.=C2=A0 Though VDCA references SCCA vintage rul=
es as well.=C2=A0 My car has triple webers which kick it into Group 8 regar=
dless.</div><div><br></div><div>Below are some links as well as the SVRA sp=
ecs for TR5-250-6 cars.</div><div><br></div><div>Call me anytime and would =
be glad to share my experience.=C2=A0 I will send you a text separately.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Mark Cook</div><div><br></div><div>Groups &amp; Spec=
s</div><div>SVRA Triumph TR5-250-6 Specs (Group 8)</div><div><a href=3D"htt=
ps://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/TR_5-250-6.pdf">https://svra.com/w=
p-content/uploads/2013/02/TR_5-250-6.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>SVRA =
Group 3 Car Rules -=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/202=
5/01/Svra_Group_3_1_25.pdf">https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Svr=
a_Group_3_1_25.pdf</a></div><div>SVRA Group 8 Car Rules -=C2=A0<a href=3D"h=
ttps://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Svra_Group_8_1_22.pdf">https://s=
vra.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Svra_Group_8_1_22.pdf</a></div><div>VDCA=
 Car Groups -=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://www.vintagedrive.com/cars-groups">ht=
tps://www.vintagedrive.com/cars-groups</a></div><div><br></div><div>Tires: =
I have been running Hoosier HOTDR 24x7 tires.=C2=A0 These are basically the=
 same compound at Hoosier R7s, but fully treaded=C2=A0as the prior SVRA and=
 VDCA rules required.=C2=A0 This year, the tire rules for Group 8 have been=
 modified to allow Hoosier R7 and Race R8s as well as Toyo RR (now R).=C2=
=A0 In addition to those tires, .&quot;Any Treaded, DOT approved Tires with=
 a UTQG of 100 or greater with appropriate Speed Rating and a minimum Aspec=
t Ratio of 45&quot; are permitted</div><div><br></div><div>SVRA Tire Regula=
tions</div><div><a href=3D"https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/SVRA=
_Tire_Regulations_1_26.pdf">https://svra.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/SVR=
A_Tire_Regulations_1_26.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>VDCA Tire Regulati=
ons</div><div><a href=3D"https://www.vintagedrive.com/_files/ugd/ab1165_8aa=
3f6ded156444c935067e7f619de09.pdf">https://www.vintagedrive.com/_files/ugd/=
ab1165_8aa3f6ded156444c935067e7f619de09.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 18, 2026 at 9:03=E2=80=AFAM Bob K=
ramer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Jamie<div><br></div><div>We were at a crossroads with our ChampCa=
r TR6 as well. It did its job and by my count it helped 6 drivers make the =
decision to get involved with vintage racing. As time went on we made the c=
ar faster by adding fuel injection and aero and raced with experienced=C2=
=A0drivers to great effect. Everyone had a great time but their focus was o=
n their vintage car and last year we did not have enough of us older driver=
s to make a ChampCar entry work. The car sat all year but still starts righ=
t up!=C2=A0 This year, we gave it one last try at getting enough drivers an=
d we have a group of younger drivers and a couple of new drivers, so we hav=
e three races planned. The fact that COTA is turning itself into a private,=
 high dollar, membership only club, and there is one last ChampCar race the=
re in December gave people the impetus to sign up. After=C2=A0that,I think =
the end is near for my ChampCar program.=C2=A0 =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><=
div>Here&#39;s what I know.=C2=A0 My Texas club recently updated=C2=A0our r=
ules and added classes for 1985 cars. Other clubs have rules with cut off y=
ears that vary, but the reality of shrinking grids has hit vintage racing c=
lubs and soon most will accept more modern cars. In the 1985 SCCA GCR and P=
CS car weights are reduced and fiberglass panels are allowable. Modern Fuel=
 injection is clearly out, because almost all rules are based on the concep=
t of &quot;period correct&quot;.=C2=A0 Triumph&#39;s fuel injection is allo=
wed. The TR6 has a couple of build options, in Former CP, GT2C and former D=
P in GT3D. The PCS rules are almost identical but the car weight is substan=
tially higher for GT3D. You&#39;ll want to ditch the bumpers and upgrade th=
e camshaft and valve train, and most clubs want a period looking paint job.=
 You can run dual SU&#39;s or Strombergs in GT3D, but you&#39;ll want Weber=
s for GT2C.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My car would need a lot of work fo=
r a vintage conversion, mostly because the bones are so bad. The body is ve=
ry rough under the panels and the floors are literally road signs. It worke=
d for Lemon&#39;s, WRL, and Chump/Champ, but the driveline is top notch. I&=
#39;m not sure what I am going to do with it going forward but after this y=
ear I will make a decision. I may pull it apart and move the driveline into=
 a street car.</div><div><br></div><div>Bob</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 at 23:=
22, Chuck Gee &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Jamie,<div><br></div><div>Check out=
 VDCA,=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.vintagedrive.com/" target=3D"_blank">htt=
ps://www.vintagedrive.com/</a>.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m down in SC and this is th=
e group I race with.=C2=A0 Tracks we race include Roebling Road, VIR, Road =
Atlanta.=C2=A0 A real easy and friendly group.</div><div><br></div><div>You=
 can find the rules on their website.=C2=A0 You are correct about the fiber=
glass and fuel injection, probably the bumpers too.=C2=A0 They look too hea=
vy anyway.</div><div><br></div><div>Feel free to reach out with any questio=
ns.</div><div><br id=3D"m_7050565922009384888m_-8543069323078392619lineBrea=
kAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Chuck Gee</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 17, 2026, at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Pa=
lmer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tr6driver=
@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Ok, friends=E2=80=A6help!</span><br><spa=
n>I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9Cbudget=E2=80=9D endurance race car last year, =
only to find long driving stints may no longer work for my hands (long stor=
y).=C2=A0 So, one thought that occurred to me was to examine what changes I=
=E2=80=99d need to make to make it *eligible* (note, not competitive) for v=
intage.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m guessing the fiberglass fenders, bumpers and mode=
rn fuel injection would have to go, right?=C2=A0 Not major issues.=C2=A0 Co=
smetically I wanted it pretty nice as long as you don=E2=80=99t look TOO cl=
ose ;-)<div>&lt;image0.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt=
;image2.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image3.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image4.jpeg&gt=
;</div><div>&lt;image5.jpeg&gt;</div><span></span><br><span></span><br><spa=
n>What else? =C2=A0</span><br><span></span><br><span>Car is prepared to a m=
oderate standard, but very safe.=C2=A0 Has full cage, fire suppression, fue=
l cell, etc.=C2=A0 See pics if they come through.</span><br><span></span><b=
r><span>Are the 200TW DOT tires legal?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Tha=
nks for any recommendations, especially sanctioning bodies in the Southeast=
 (I=E2=80=99m in NC).</span><br><span></span><br><span>Jamie Palmer<span>__=
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Jamie

One last thing. Vintage run groups can be smaller than ChampCar. This can
mean that you end up out on the track with no one to race with.  I hate
that!  Hopefully you will find a group of cars to dice with.  The good
thing with a TR6 is that you can ramp it up or down to fit the need.

Bob

On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 at 08:40, Jamie Palmer <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Bob, thanks for the valuable input.  It sounds like your thoughts are ver=
y
> similar to mine.  One option is for me to cannibalize the car for the oth=
er
> TR6-based vehicles (my 73 street car, the 2000 Mk. 1 sedan, a Hunter kit
> car, and a Jamaican kit car), but it turned out quite nicely (I was lucky
> enough to start with a fairly solid pile of "bitsa") and I hate to do tha=
t
> after 5 years building and prepping the car.
>
> The VDCA rules sound quite reasonable, and I don't think it would be too
> difficult to find four suitable fenders.  I originally got the engine
> running on a set of 175 CDs anyway, so they are sitting there ready to go=
.
> Honestly, I'm not that worried about being "competitive", just would like
> to not be the slowest car on track by 5 seconds a lap (Lucky Dog experien=
ce
> last fall).  Heck, she's (her name is Lacey) set up to run on regular
> unleaded as it's darned expensive to run premium all weekend!
>
> Thanks again, friends, and I'll keep all informed.  Chuck has been kind
> enough to invite Cristina and me to the VDCA event coming up at the end o=
f
> March, so we're planning on coming up on the Saturday to check things out=
.
> On Wednesday, March 18, 2026 at 08:58:47 AM EDT, Bob Kramer <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> Jamie
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Jamie<div><br></div><div>One last thing. Vintage run group=
s can be smaller than ChampCar. This can mean that you end up out on the tr=
ack with no one to race with.=C2=A0 I hate that!=C2=A0 Hopefully you will f=
ind a group of cars to dice with.=C2=A0 The good thing with a TR6 is that y=
ou can ramp it up or down to fit the need.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Bob</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 at 08:40, Jamie Palme=
r &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Bob, thanks for the valuable input.=C2=A0 It sound=
s like your thoughts are very similar to mine.=C2=A0 One option is for me t=
o cannibalize the car for the other TR6-based vehicles (my 73 street car, t=
he 2000 Mk. 1 sedan, a Hunter kit car, and a Jamaican kit car), but it turn=
ed out quite nicely (I was lucky enough to start with a fairly solid pile o=
f &quot;bitsa&quot;) and I hate to do that after 5 years building and prepp=
ing the car.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The VDCA rule=
s sound quite reasonable, and I don&#39;t think it would be too difficult t=
o find four suitable fenders.=C2=A0 I originally got the engine running on =
a set of 175 CDs anyway, so they are sitting there ready to go.=C2=A0 Hones=
tly, I&#39;m not that worried about being &quot;competitive&quot;, just wou=
ld like to not be the slowest car on track by 5 seconds a lap (Lucky Dog ex=
perience last fall).=C2=A0 Heck, she&#39;s (her name is Lacey) set up to ru=
n on regular unleaded as it&#39;s darned expensive to run premium all weeke=
nd!=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks aga=
in, friends, and I&#39;ll keep all informed.=C2=A0 Chuck has been kind enou=
gh to invite Cristina and me to the VDCA event coming up at the end of Marc=
h, so we&#39;re planning on coming up on the Saturday to check things out.<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To be honest...I&#39;m exc=
ited!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jamie=C2=A0</div><di=
v><br></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"m_990216503063253804ydp3f747457yahoo_quoted_463664=
3575">
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Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
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                <div>
                        On Wednesday, March 18, 2026 at 08:58:47 AM EDT, Bo=
b Kramer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">rkram=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
                    </div>
                    <div><br></div>
                    <div><br></div>
               =20
               =20
                <div><div id=3D"m_990216503063253804ydp3f747457yiv342180037=
2"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Jamie<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>We were at=
 a crossroads with our ChampCar TR6 as well. It did its job and by my count=
 it helped 6 drivers make the decision to get involved with vintage racing.=
 As time went on we made the car faster by adding fuel injection and aero a=
nd raced with experienced=C2=A0drivers to great effect. Everyone had a grea=
t time but their focus was on their vintage car and last year we did not ha=
ve enough of us older drivers to make a ChampCar entry work. The car sat al=
l year but still starts right up!=C2=A0 This year, we gave it one last try =
at getting enough drivers and we have a group of younger drivers and a coup=
le of new drivers, so we have three races planned. The fact that COTA is tu=
rning itself into a private, high dollar, membership only club, and there i=
s one last ChampCar race there in December gave people the impetus to sign =
up. After=C2=A0that,I think the end is near for my ChampCar program.=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Here&#39;s what I know.=C2=
=A0 My Texas club recently updated=C2=A0our rules and added classes for 198=
5 cars. Other clubs have rules with cut off years that vary, but the realit=
y of shrinking grids has hit vintage racing clubs and soon most will accept=
 more modern cars. In the 1985 SCCA GCR and PCS car weights are reduced and=
 fiberglass panels are allowable. Modern Fuel injection is clearly out, bec=
ause almost all rules are based on the concept of &quot;period correct&quot=
;.=C2=A0 Triumph&#39;s fuel injection is allowed. The TR6 has a couple of b=
uild options, in Former CP, GT2C and former DP in GT3D. The PCS rules are a=
lmost identical but the car weight is substantially higher for GT3D. You&#3=
9;ll want to ditch the bumpers and upgrade the camshaft and valve train, an=
d most clubs want a period looking paint job. You can run dual SU&#39;s or =
Strombergs in GT3D, but you&#39;ll want Webers for GT2C.<br clear=3D"none">=
</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>My car would need a lot of work fo=
r a vintage conversion, mostly because the bones are so bad. The body is ve=
ry rough under the panels and the floors are literally road signs. It worke=
d for Lemon&#39;s, WRL, and Chump/Champ, but the driveline is top notch. I&=
#39;m not sure what I am going to do with it going forward but after this y=
ear I will make a decision. I may pull it apart and move the driveline into=
 a street car.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Bob</div></div><br c=
lear=3D"none"><div><div id=3D"m_990216503063253804ydp3f747457yiv3421800372y=
qt06282"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 at 23:22, Chuck Gee &lt;<a sh=
ape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockq=
uote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Jamie,<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Check=
 out VDCA,=C2=A0<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.vintagedrive.com/" re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.vintagedrive.com/</a>.=C2=A0 I=
=E2=80=99m down in SC and this is the group I race with.=C2=A0 Tracks we ra=
ce include Roebling Road, VIR, Road Atlanta.=C2=A0 A real easy and friendly=
 group.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>You can find the rules on t=
heir website.=C2=A0 You are correct about the fiberglass and fuel injection=
, probably the bumpers too.=C2=A0 They look too heavy anyway.</div><div><br=
 clear=3D"none"></div><div>Feel free to reach out with any questions.</div>=
<div><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"m_990216503063253804ydp3f747457yiv3421800372m=
_-8543069323078392619lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Chuc=
k Gee</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On=
 Mar 17, 2026, at 10:41=E2=80=AFPM, James Palmer &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">tr6drive=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquot=
e></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>Ok, frien=
ds=E2=80=A6help!</span><br clear=3D"none"><span>I finished my TR6 =E2=80=9C=
budget=E2=80=9D endurance race car last year, only to find long driving sti=
nts may no longer work for my hands (long story).=C2=A0 So, one thought tha=
t occurred to me was to examine what changes I=E2=80=99d need to make to ma=
ke it *eligible* (note, not competitive) for vintage.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m gue=
ssing the fiberglass fenders, bumpers and modern fuel injection would have =
to go, right?=C2=A0 Not major issues.=C2=A0 Cosmetically I wanted it pretty=
 nice as long as you don=E2=80=99t look TOO close ;-)</span><div>&lt;image0=
.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image1.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image2.jpeg&gt;</div>=
<div>&lt;image3.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image4.jpeg&gt;</div><div>&lt;image5=
.jpeg&gt;</div><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"no=
ne"><span>What else? =C2=A0</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=
=3D"none"><span>Car is prepared to a moderate standard, but very safe.=C2=
=A0 Has full cage, fire suppression, fuel cell, etc.=C2=A0 See pics if they=
 come through.</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br clear=3D"none"><sp=
an>Are the 200TW DOT tires legal?</span><br clear=3D"none"><span></span><br=
 clear=3D"none"><span>Thanks for any recommendations, especially sanctionin=
g bodies in the Southeast (I=E2=80=99m in NC).</span><br clear=3D"none"><sp=
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