Subject: Re: [Fot] Key question

From: Bert Brown via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2026 06:52:04 -0800

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v=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D=
"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Not that I=E2=80=99m in the m=
arket right now but who is making billet cranks for our cars at this time? &=
nbsp; Thanks.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bert Br=
own</div><div dir=3D"ltr">GP90</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D=
"cite">On Feb 8, 2026, at 4:31=E2=80=AFAM, Philip Gott via Fot &lt;fot@autox=
.team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/htm=
l; charset=3Dutf-8">Thank you, everyone! Everyone seems to agree this is a g=
ood idea. Combining the single key with the Miata taper is an added plus (th=
anks, Joe).<div>As has been said many times before, this is a great group. T=
he willingness to share info to help keep these cars on the track is a real b=
onus for all.</div><div>See you at Mosport!</div><div>Phil<br id=3D"lineBrea=
kAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 6, 2026, at 7:28=E2=80=AFPM, Joe B=
oruch &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydpf6675dcayahoo-sty=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Phil, Miatas use a single lon=
g woodruff key that is tapered at one end. &nbsp;Just need to make sure that=
 when assembling that the taper is on the inside and facing the crank to mat=
ch the taper in the keyway. &nbsp;Some engine builders have gotten this wron=
g with not so good results. &nbsp;Attached is a pic of the Miata omne. &nbsp=
;JoeB</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span></span><div>&lt;1770=
424069735blob.jpg&gt;</div><br></div><div><br></div>
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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I=E2=
=80=99m thinking of ordering a billet crankshaft.&nbsp;  Am wondering if any=
one has had one made with a single long keyway in the nose instead of two wo=
odruff keys. Are there any durability/stress riser/fatigue&nbsp; or other do=
wnside issues with a long single keyway? It would make assembly of the front=
 pulley onto the crank so much easier if/when it has to be done in the car (=
which we=E2=80=99ve had to do several times). <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Phi=
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From: vfracing--- via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2026 16:41:17 +0000 (UTC)

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 Moldex and Marine Crankshaft
    On Sunday, February 8, 2026 at 09:52:19 AM EST, Bert Brown <moosehd2@pa=
cbell.net> wrote:  =20

 Not that I=E2=80=99m in the market right now but who is making billet cran=
ks for our cars at this time? =C2=A0 Thanks.=C2=A0
Bert BrownGP90

On Feb 8, 2026, at 4:31=E2=80=AFAM, Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]=
> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Thank you, everyone! Everyone seems to agree this is a good idea. Combining=
 the single key with the Miata taper is an added plus (thanks, Joe).As has =
been said many times before, this is a great group. The willingness to shar=
e info to help keep these cars on the track is a real bonus for all.See you=
 at Mosport!Phil
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 6, 2026, at 7:28=E2=80=AFPM, Joe Boruch <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF Phil, Miatas use a single long woodruff key that is tapered at on=
e end. =C2=A0Just need to make sure that when assembling that the taper is =
on the inside and facing the crank to match the taper in the keyway. =C2=A0=
Some engine builders have gotten this wrong with not so good results. =C2=
=A0Attached is a pic of the Miata omne. =C2=A0JoeB

    On Friday, February 6, 2026 at 12:55:20 PM EST, Philip Gott via Fot <fo=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 Hi all;
I=E2=80=99m thinking of ordering a billet crankshaft.=C2=A0 Am wondering if=
 anyone has had one made with a single long keyway in the nose instead of t=
wo woodruff keys. Are there any durability/stress riser/fatigue=C2=A0 or ot=
her downside issues with a long single keyway? It would make assembly of th=
e front pulley onto the crank so much easier if/when it has to be done in t=
he car (which we=E2=80=99ve had to do several times).=20
Phil

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Not that I=E2=80=99m in the market right now but who is ma=
king billet cranks for our cars at this time? &nbsp; Thanks.&nbsp;</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bert Brown</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">GP90</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"yiv3417187971yqtfd64488=
" class=3D"yiv3417187971yqt0864183875"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite">On Feb 8, 2026, at 4:31=E2=80=AFAM, Philip Gott via Fot &lt;fot@a=
utox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote>=
</div></div><div id=3D"yiv3417187971yqtfd84594" class=3D"yiv3417187971yqt08=
64183875"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF</div></block=
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1yqt0864183875"></div><div><div id=3D"yiv3417187971yqtfd72443" class=3D"yiv=
3417187971yqt0864183875">Thank you, everyone! Everyone seems to agree this =
is a good idea. Combining the single key with the Miata taper is an added p=
lus (thanks, Joe).<div>As has been said many times before, this is a great =
group. The willingness to share info to help keep these cars on the track i=
s a real bonus for all.</div><div>See you at Mosport!</div><div>Phil<br cle=
ar=3D"none" id=3D"yiv3417187971lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite">On Feb 6, 2026, at 7:28=E2=80=AFPM, Joe Boruch &lt;jaboru=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote><=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, Miatas use a single long woodruff key that i=
s tapered at one end. &nbsp;Just need to make sure that when assembling tha=
t the taper is on the inside and facing the crank to match the taper in the=
 keyway. &nbsp;Some engine builders have gotten this wrong with not so good=
 results. &nbsp;Attached is a pic of the Miata omne. &nbsp;JoeB</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><span></span><div>&lt;1770424069735blob.jpg&gt;</div><br clear=
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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all;<br clear=3D"none"></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">I=E2=80=99m thinking of ordering a billet crankshaft.&nbsp;  Am=
 wondering if anyone has had one made with a single long keyway in the nose=
 instead of two woodruff keys. Are there any durability/stress riser/fatigu=
e&nbsp; or other downside issues with a long single keyway? It would make a=
ssembly of the front pulley onto the crank so much easier if/when it has to=
 be done in the car (which we=E2=80=99ve had to do several times). <br clea=
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Oof, I=E2=80=99ve seen that before IRL not just a picture. The worst =
ever was an engine from a Jag 420 (a genuine piece O=E2=80=99 crap =
except for the lovely dashboard). The engine was running, but when I =
took it apart the crank came out in six pieces. The transmission made =
the engine look primo. I guess it=E2=80=99s buyer beware when you buy a =
Jag for 1000 bux.=20
Bill

> On Feb 8, 2026, at 06:41, vfracing--- via Fot <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
> On Sunday, February 8, 2026 at 09:52:19 AM EST, Bert Brown =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Not that I=E2=80=99m in the market right now but who is making billet =
cranks for our cars at this time?   Thanks.=20
>=20
> Bert Brown
> GP90
>=20
>> On Feb 8, 2026, at 4:31=E2=80=AFAM, Philip Gott via Fot =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>=20
> Thank you, everyone! Everyone seems to agree this is a good idea. =
Combining the single key with the Miata taper is an added plus (thanks, =
Joe).
> As has been said many times before, this is a great group. The =
willingness to share info to help keep these cars on the track is a real =
bonus for all.
> See you at Mosport!
> Phil
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>> On Feb 6, 2026, at 7:28=E2=80=AFPM, Joe Boruch <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Phil, Miatas use a single long woodruff key that is tapered at one =
end.  Just need to make sure that when assembling that the taper is on =
the inside and facing the crank to match the taper in the keyway.  Some =
engine builders have gotten this wrong with not so good results.  =
Attached is a pic of the Miata omne.  JoeB
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Friday, February 6, 2026 at 12:55:20 PM EST, Philip Gott via Fot =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> Hi all;
>> I=E2=80=99m thinking of ordering a billet crankshaft.  Am wondering =
if anyone has had one made with a single long keyway in the nose instead =
of two woodruff keys. Are there any durability/stress riser/fatigue  or =
other downside issues with a long single keyway? It would make assembly =
of the front pulley onto the crank so much easier if/when it has to be =
done in the car (which we=E2=80=99ve had to do several times).
>> http://www.fot-racing.com <http://www.fot-racing.com/>
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line-break: after-white-space;">Oof, I=E2=80=99ve seen that before IRL =
not just a picture. The worst ever was an engine from a Jag 420 (a =
genuine piece O=E2=80=99 crap except for the lovely dashboard). The =
engine was running, but when I took it apart the crank came out in six =
pieces. The transmission made the engine look primo. I guess it=E2=80=99s =
buyer beware when you buy a Jag for 1000 bux.&nbsp;<div>Bill<br =
id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote =
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                        On Sunday, February 8, 2026 at 09:52:19 AM EST, =
Bert Brown &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Not that I=E2=80=99m in the market =
right now but who is making billet cranks for our cars at this time? =
&nbsp; Thanks.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Bert Brown</div><div dir=3D"ltr">GP90</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"yiv3417187971yqtfd64488" =
class=3D"yiv3417187971yqt0864183875"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">On Feb 8, 2026, at 4:31=E2=80=AFAM, Philip Gott via Fot =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br =
clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div></div><div =
id=3D"yiv3417187971yqtfd84594" =
class=3D"yiv3417187971yqt0864183875"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF</div></blockquote></div></div><div =
id=3D"yiv3417187971yqtfd67023" =
class=3D"yiv3417187971yqt0864183875"></div><div><div =
id=3D"yiv3417187971yqtfd72443" class=3D"yiv3417187971yqt0864183875">Thank =
you, everyone! Everyone seems to agree this is a good idea. Combining =
the single key with the Miata taper is an added plus (thanks, =
Joe).<div>As has been said many times before, this is a great group. The =
willingness to share info to help keep these cars on the track is a real =
bonus for all.</div><div>See you at Mosport!</div><div>Phil<br =
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">Phil, Miatas use a single long woodruff key =
that is tapered at one end. &nbsp;Just need to make sure that when =
assembling that the taper is on the inside and facing the crank to match =
the taper in the keyway. &nbsp;Some engine builders have gotten this =
wrong with not so good results. &nbsp;Attached is a pic of the Miata =
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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all;<br clear=3D"none"></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">I=E2=80=99m thinking of ordering a billet crankshaft.&nbsp; =
 Am wondering if anyone has had one made with a single long keyway in =
the nose instead of two woodruff keys. Are there any durability/stress =
riser/fatigue&nbsp; or other downside issues with a long single keyway? =
It would make assembly of the front pulley onto the crank so much easier =
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