Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: K Cup helmet rules

From: Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2025 20:36:01 -0500

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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"conten=
t-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">As you know, VRG just signed u=
p for a July 10-12 date at NJMP. That message i forwarded came from the trac=
k management at NJNP. That was sent to John Wood, who negotiated and signed t=
he track contract. NJ does a few things differently. VSCCA concluded they co=
uld not partner with us for that event because of certain State rules about r=
oll bars, etc that some of their older cars wouldn=E2=80=99t meet. The track=
 used to adamantly enforce that you could only pump gas into red containers,=
 so in the event of a fire they could easily identify fuel cans.<div>You sho=
uld check with SVRA on how/what they will be enforcing, as (other than gas c=
ans) i don=E2=80=99t think track management is doing safety checks on cars o=
r equipment.</div><div>But, depending on what=E2=80=99s in the SVRA contract=
, the club may be required to enforce certain rules.</div><div>My understand=
ing is VRG will be enforcing this rule.</div><div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On N=
ov 27, 2025, at 6:47=E2=80=AFPM, Mike Harmuth &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrot=
e:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Scott, we're (HRG)is heading back to NJMP for two events=
 next year, one with VRG and one with SVRA. SVRA is allowing the SA2015 helm=
ets through 2026. Will NJ, who I know follows the exact expiration dates on b=
elts, require SA2020 or newer? It's been a few years since we raced in NJ an=
d I don't&nbsp;remember back how the SA2010 -&gt; SA2015 transition year wor=
ked. I thought helmets were different, it's a design spec, without an expira=
tion date. Our initial discussions with SVRA over tech rules (Phil Gott,&nbs=
p;chime&nbsp;in here if I'm wrong) would allow SA2015 through 2026.<div><br>=
</div><div>Better to find out now than in line at tech.<br><div><br></div><d=
iv>thanks</div><div>mike</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmai=
l_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 27, 202=
5 at 6:08=E2=80=AFPM Scott Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sjan=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex">Not in New Jersey at MJMP.<br>
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kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
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&gt; <br>
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From: Mike Harmuth via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2025 21:02:34 -0500

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Thanks Scott, I'll follow up on this with John (VRG) and SVRA.

mike

On Thu, Nov 27, 2025 at 8:36=E2=80=AFPM Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

> As you know, VRG just signed up for a July 10-12 date at NJMP. That
> message i forwarded came from the track management at NJNP. That was sent
> to John Wood, who negotiated and signed the track contract. NJ does a few
> things differently. VSCCA concluded they could not partner with us for th=
at
> event because of certain State rules about roll bars, etc that some of
> their older cars wouldn=E2=80=99t meet. The track used to adamantly enfor=
ce that
> you could only pump gas into red containers, so in the event of a fire th=
ey
> could easily identify fuel cans.
> You should check with SVRA on how/what they will be enforcing, as (other
> than gas cans) i don=E2=80=99t think track management is doing safety che=
cks on
> cars or equipment.
> But, depending on what=E2=80=99s in the SVRA contract, the club may be re=
quired to
> enforce certain rules.
> My understanding is VRG will be enforcing this rule.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 27, 2025, at 6:47=E2=80=AFPM, Mike Harmuth <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> Scott, we're (HRG)is heading back to NJMP for two events next year, one
> with VRG and one with SVRA. SVRA is allowing the SA2015 helmets through
> 2026. Will NJ, who I know follows the exact expiration dates on belts,
> require SA2020 or newer? It's been a few years since we raced in NJ and I
> don't remember back how the SA2010 -> SA2015 transition year worked. I
> thought helmets were different, it's a design spec, without an expiration
> date. Our initial discussions with SVRA over tech rules (Phil
> Gott, chime in here if I'm wrong) would allow SA2015 through 2026.
>
> Better to find out now than in line at tech.
>
> thanks
> mike
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2025 at 6:08=E2=80=AFPM Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>
>> Not in New Jersey at MJMP.
>>
>
> >
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks Scott, I&#39;ll follow up on this with John (VRG) a=
nd SVRA.<div><br></div><div>mike</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote g=
mail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 27,=
 2025 at 8:36=E2=80=AFPM Scott Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">As you know, VRG just sig=
ned up for a July 10-12 date at NJMP. That message i forwarded came from th=
e track management at NJNP. That was sent to John Wood, who negotiated and =
signed the track contract. NJ does a few things differently. VSCCA conclude=
d they could not partner with us for that event because of certain State ru=
les about roll bars, etc that some of their older cars wouldn=E2=80=99t mee=
t. The track used to adamantly enforce that you could only pump gas into re=
d containers, so in the event of a fire they could easily identify fuel can=
s.<div>You should check with SVRA on how/what they will be enforcing, as (o=
ther than gas cans) i don=E2=80=99t think track management is doing safety =
checks on cars or equipment.</div><div>But, depending on what=E2=80=99s in =
the SVRA contract, the club may be required to enforce certain rules.</div>=
<div>My understanding is VRG will be enforcing this rule.</div><div><br><di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite">On Nov 27, 2025, at 6:47=E2=80=AFPM, Mike Harmuth &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Scott, we&#39;re (HRG)is heading back to NJMP f=
or two events next year, one with VRG and one with SVRA. SVRA is allowing t=
he SA2015 helmets through 2026. Will NJ, who I know follows the exact expir=
ation dates on belts, require SA2020 or newer? It&#39;s been a few years si=
nce we raced in NJ and I don&#39;t=C2=A0remember back how the SA2010 -&gt; =
SA2015 transition year worked. I thought helmets were different, it&#39;s a=
 design spec, without an expiration date. Our initial discussions with SVRA=
 over tech rules (Phil Gott,=C2=A0chime=C2=A0in here if I&#39;m wrong) woul=
d allow SA2015 through 2026.<div><br></div><div>Better to find out now than=
 in line at tech.<br><div><br></div><div>thanks</div><div>mike</div></div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Thu, Nov 27, 2025 at 6:08=E2=80=AFPM Scott Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Not in New Jersey at MJMP.<b=
r>
<br>
&gt;=C2=A0<img src=3D"cid:ii_19ac830a2fdcb971f161" width=3D"1290" alt=3D"im=
age"></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex">
&gt; <br>
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From: Henry Frye via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2025 06:12:08 -0500

I have never been there, as folks towing race cars from New England 
can't get there from here!

But I do recall stories from racers at NJMP that New Jersey State 
Troopers were present to make sure no state laws were being broken!

On 2025-11-27 20:36, Scott Janzen via Fot wrote:
> message i forwarded came from the track management at NJNP. That was
> sent to John Wood, who negotiated and signed the track contract. NJ
> does a few things differently. VSCCA concluded they could not partner
> with us for that event because of certain State rules about roll bars,
> etc that some of their older cars wouldn’t meet. The track used to
> adamantly enforce that you could only pump gas into red containers, so
> in the event of a fire they could easily identify fuel cans.
> You should check with SVRA on how/what they will be enforcing, as
> (other than gas cans) i don’t think track management is doing safety
> checks on cars or equipment.
> But, depending on what’s in the SVRA contract, the club may be
> required to enforce certain rules.
>> On Nov 27, 2025, at 6:47 PM, Mike Harmuth <[email-masked]>
>> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Scott, we're (HRG)is heading back to NJMP for two events next year,
>> one with VRG and one with SVRA. SVRA is allowing the SA2015 helmets
>> through 2026. Will NJ, who I know follows the exact expiration dates
>> on belts, require SA2020 or newer? It's been a few years since we
>> raced in NJ and I don't remember back how the SA2010 -> SA2015
>> transition year worked. I thought helmets were different, it's a
>> design spec, without an expiration date. Our initial discussions
>> with SVRA over tech rules (Phil Gott, chime in here if I'm wrong)
>> would allow SA2015 through 2026.
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2025 at 6:08 PM Scott Janzen <[email-masked]>
>> wrote:
>> 
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