Subject: Re: [Fot] Lime Rock - Groups for Fri Qualifying/Practice and Sat Race

From: Alfetta95 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2025 16:35:24 -0400

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Is there a list of entries somewhere?  Motorsportsreg still shows no entries=
.  But it says I=E2=80=99m registered. =20

Just curious
Todd

> On Jun 7, 2025, at 3:56=E2=80=AFPM, yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
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> Mark,
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> At this point, we have 33 cars entered so we intend to run all Triumphs in=
 the same group. If we get another 10 cars or so, we will be looking to move=
 some of the slowest and/or fastest cars to appropriate groups.
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> The only caveat is cars running on slicks. If someone has no other option o=
r insists on running slicks, they will be the first to get moved to the big b=
ore group for all races leading up to the Kastner Cup race, but we all run t=
ogether for the Cup on Monday after lunch.
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> In a couple weeks I will be focusing heavily on planning our weekend at Li=
me Rock, stay tuned for more as it becomes available!
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> Cheers=20
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>> On 2025-06-07 11:24, Mark Cook wrote:
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>> Henry,
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>> Thanks for the info on gearing.  Video was helpful as well for having not=
 ever driven Lime Rock.
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>> =20
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>> Was looking at the Lime Rock HF43 posted race groups.  Question.  Will we=
 run in Group 5 as a single group for Friday's practice/qualifying and Satur=
day's races as well as the Kastner Cup on Monday?  Or, run in multiple group=
s, like they have listed below (TR250/6 2500cc in the 2.5 Litre or Over 2 Li=
tre as example)?   I assume multiple groups except for Monday=E2=80=99s even=
t.
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>> =20
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>> Thanks,
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>> =20
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>> Mark Cook
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>> =20
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>> https://limerock.com/events/historic-festival/hf-driver-information/
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>> HF43 Groups and Classes
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>> The following race groups are our tentative run groups:
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>> Group 1 =E2=80=93 Mid Century GT / Sportscars Under 2 Litre
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>>     Under 1.3L
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>>     Over 1.3L
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>> Group 5 =E2=80=93 Triumph Feature =E2=80=93 Kastner Cup
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>>     Triumph Under 1.6L
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>>     Triumph Over 1.6L
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>>     Triumph Over 2.2L
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>> Group 6 =E2=80=93 Tin Tops / IMSA RS / Under 2.5 Litre Cars
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>>     Under 1.3L
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>>     Over 1.3L
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>> Group 9 =E2=80=93 GT / Sportscars Over 2 Litre / Sports Racing Cars
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>>     GT
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>>     Sportscars
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>>     Sports Racers
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fo=
t
>> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2025 12:23 PM
>> To: FOT
>> Subject: [Fot] Gearing for Lime Rock
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>> =20
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>> If this comes through twice, I apologize. Working through some technical
>>=20
>> difficulties with my mail server.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I have been asked by numerous folks about what rear end gear to run at
>>=20
>> Lime Rock. Several of our guys with a lot more laps at Lime Rock than I
>>=20
>> do have chimed in, thanks everyone for your input. Sometimes a picture
>>=20
>> is worth a thousand words, so here's my input.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> https://youtu.be/xIg5KQwM-pw
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I clipped a lap from my in-car camera from the 2024 Lime Rock Vintage
>>=20
>> Festival. My tach is plainly visible and I added captions on what I am
>>=20
>> doing with the gearbox. The lap shown is somewhere in the mid-1.05's.
>>=20
>> The camera is one of those Go-Pro knockoffs, so the quality is junk, but
>>=20
>> it got the job done. The sound was cut, if you heard what the camera
>>=20
>> records for sound you would thank me!
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> The gearing I use in the TR250 is a 4:10 R&P, a Triumph gearbox with
>>=20
>> close ratio gears, a stock Laycock overdrive and I am running on Hoosier
>>=20
>> Speedsters with a diameter of 24.2 inches. My shift point is 6000. This
>>=20
>> example should be easy to reference against your race car assuming you
>>=20
>> are familiar with high school math!
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> This is the same setup I used in my old TR4 racer and the TR3, except my
>>=20
>> 4-cylinder racers use a Moldex crank, Carillos and a cam that ran to
>>=20
>> 7000. With the additional revs afforded by the billet bottom end, I
>>=20
>> don't need the overdrive to enhance the top end. Again, it's all in the
>>=20
>> math.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> My line through Big Bend and the Uphill are not optimal, but that is a
>>=20
>> conversation for another time.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Watch the tack twitch as I crest the Uphill, you know you did OK when
>>=20
>> you get a little wheelspin there!
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>> =20
>>=20
>> Hope this helps.
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>> =20
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>> Henry Frye
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>> KCup chair
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>> 860.508.3118
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Is t=
here a list of entries somewhere? &nbsp;Motorsportsreg still shows no entrie=
s. &nbsp;But it says I=E2=80=99m registered. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Just curious</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Todd</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jun 7, 2025, at 3:56=E2=80=AFPM,=
 yellow04 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></di=
v><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Co=
ntent-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8">
<p>Mark,</p>
<p>At this point, we have 33 cars entered so we intend to run all Triumphs i=
n the same group. If we get another 10 cars or so, we will be looking to mov=
e some of the slowest and/or fastest cars to appropriate groups.</p>
<p>The only caveat is cars running on slicks. If someone has no other option=
 or insists on running slicks, they will be the first to get moved to the bi=
g bore group for all races leading up to the Kastner Cup race, but we all ru=
n together for the Cup on Monday after lunch.</p>
<p>In a couple weeks I will be focusing heavily on planning our weekend at L=
ime Rock, stay tuned for more as it becomes available!</p>
<p>Cheers&nbsp;</p>
<div id=3D"signature">&nbsp;</div>
<p id=3D"reply-intro">On 2025-06-07 11:24, Mark Cook wrote:</p>
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x solid; margin: 0">
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<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Henry,</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Thanks for the info on gearing.&nbsp; Video was h=
elpful as well for having not ever driven Lime Rock.</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Was looking at the Lime Rock HF43 posted race gr=
oups.&nbsp; Question.&nbsp; Will we run in Group 5 as a single group for Fri=
day's practice/qualifying and Saturday's races as well as the Kastner Cup on=
 Monday?&nbsp; Or, run in multiple groups, like they have listed below (TR25=
0/6 2500cc in the 2.5 Litre or Over 2 Litre as example)? &nbsp;&nbsp;I assum=
e multiple groups except for Monday=E2=80=99s event.</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Thanks,</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Mark Cook</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">https://limerock.com/events/historic-festival/hf=
-driver-information/</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">HF43 Groups and Classes</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">The following race groups are our tentative run g=
roups:</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Group 1 =E2=80=93 Mid Century GT / <strong>Sport=
scars Under 2 Litre</strong></p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Under 1.3L</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Over 1.3L</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Group 5 =E2=80=93 Triumph Feature =E2=80=93 <str=
ong>Kastner Cup</strong></p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Triumph Under 1.6L</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Triumph Over 1.6L</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Triumph Over 2.2L</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Group 6 =E2=80=93 Tin Tops / IMSA RS / <strong>U=
nder 2.5 Litre Cars</strong></p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Under 1.3L</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Over 1.3L</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Group 9 =E2=80=93 GT / <strong>Sportscars Over 2=
 Litre</strong> / Sports Racing Cars</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GT</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sportscars</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sports Racers</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Fot [mailto:=
[email-masked]] On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot<br>Sent: Thursday,=
 June 5, 2025 12:23 PM<br>To: FOT<br>Subject: [Fot] Gearing for Lime Rock</p=
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">If this comes through twice, I apologize. Workin=
g through some technical</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">difficulties with my mail server.</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">I have been asked by numerous folks about what r=
ear end gear to run at</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Lime Rock. Several of our guys with a lot more l=
aps at Lime Rock than I</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">do have chimed in, thanks everyone for your inpu=
t. Sometimes a picture</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">is worth a thousand words, so here's my input.</=
p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">https://youtu.be/xIg5KQwM-pw</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">I clipped a lap from my in-car camera from the 2=
024 Lime Rock Vintage</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Festival. My tach is plainly visible and I added=
 captions on what I am</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">doing with the gearbox. The lap shown is somewhe=
re in the mid-1.05's.</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">The camera is one of those Go-Pro knockoffs, so t=
he quality is junk, but</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">it got the job done. The sound was cut, if you h=
eard what the camera</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">records for sound you would thank me!</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">The gearing I use in the TR250 is a 4:10 R&amp;P=
, a Triumph gearbox with</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">close ratio gears, a stock Laycock overdrive and=
 I am running on Hoosier</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Speedsters with a diameter of 24.2 inches. My sh=
ift point is 6000. This</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">example should be easy to reference against your=
 race car assuming you</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">are familiar with high school math!</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">This is the same setup I used in my old TR4 race=
r and the TR3, except my</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">4-cylinder racers use a Moldex crank, Carillos a=
nd a cam that ran to</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">7000. With the additional revs afforded by the b=
illet bottom end, I</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">don't need the overdrive to enhance the top end.=
 Again, it's all in the</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">math.</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">My line through Big Bend and the Uphill are not o=
ptimal, but that is a</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">conversation for another time.</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Watch the tack twitch as I crest the Uphill, you=
 know you did OK when</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">you get a little wheelspin there!</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Hope this helps.</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">Henry Frye</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">KCup chair</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoPlainText">860.508.3118</p>
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From: yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2025 17:18:58 -0400

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Todd, 

Motorsportsreg gives sanctioning bodies the option to mask the entry
list, and for whatever reason this event has always done it this way. I
believe the list does go public as we get pretty close to the event.  

Henry Frye

On 2025-06-07 16:35, Alfetta95 wrote:

> Is there a list of entries somewhere?  Motorsportsreg still shows no entries.  But it says I'm registered.   
> 
> Just curious 
> Todd 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2025, at 3:56 PM, yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>> Mark, 
>> 
>> At this point, we have 33 cars entered so we intend to run all Triumphs in the same group. If we get another 10 cars or so, we will be looking to move some of the slowest and/or fastest cars to appropriate groups. 
>> 
>> The only caveat is cars running on slicks. If someone has no other option or insists on running slicks, they will be the first to get moved to the big bore group for all races leading up to the Kastner Cup race, but we all run together for the Cup on Monday after lunch. 
>> 
>> In a couple weeks I will be focusing heavily on planning our weekend at Lime Rock, stay tuned for more as it becomes available! 
>> 
>> Cheers
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<p>Todd,</p>
<p>Motorsportsreg gives sanctioning bodies the option to mask the entry lis=
t, and for whatever reason this event has always done it this way. I believ=
e the list does go public as we get pretty close to the event.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Henry Frye</p>
<div id=3D"signature">&nbsp;</div>
<p><br /></p>
<p id=3D"reply-intro">On 2025-06-07 16:35, Alfetta95 wrote:</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2=
px solid; margin: 0">
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<div dir=3D"auto">
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Is there a list of entries somewhere? &nbsp;Motorsportsreg=
 still shows no entries. &nbsp;But it says I'm registered. &nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Just curious</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Todd</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br />
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2=
px solid; margin: 0">On Jun 7, 2025, at 3:56=E2=80=AFPM, yellow04 via Fot &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br /><br /></blockquote>
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px solid; margin: 0">
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<p>Mark,</p>
<p>At this point, we have 33 cars entered so we intend to run all Triumphs =
in the same group. If we get another 10 cars or so, we will be looking to m=
ove some of the slowest and/or fastest cars to appropriate groups.</p>
<p>The only caveat is cars running on slicks. If someone has no other optio=
n or insists on running slicks, they will be the first to get moved to the =
big bore group for all races leading up to the Kastner Cup race, but we all=
 run together for the Cup on Monday after lunch.</p>
<p>In a couple weeks I will be focusing heavily on planning our weekend at =
Lime Rock, stay tuned for more as it becomes available!</p>
<p>Cheers&nbsp;</p>
<span></span></div>
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