Subject: Re: [Fot] High zinc oils, or not?

From: "Barr, Scott via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 20:33:04 +0000

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From: Chip Collingwood via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 18:09:24 -0400

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So does this suggest that his previous work with Joe Gibbs and the Driven
line of oils is questionable?

Chip Collingwood
theukmotorsports.com
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 4:56=E2=80=AFPM Barr, Scott via Fot <[email-masked]=
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> Very interesting.  Now if we could just get them to stop changing the
> formulation without telling anyone about it=E2=80=A6
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> Scott (B.)
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> *From:* Fot <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Scott Janzen via
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tah=
oma,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">So does this suggest that his previous wor=
k with Joe Gibbs and the Driven line of oils is questionable?</div><br clea=
r=3D"all"></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartm=
ail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font face=3D"comic sans ms, =
sans-serif" color=3D"#000000">Chip Collingwood</font><div><a href=3D"http:/=
/theukmotorsports.com" target=3D"_blank"><font face=3D"comic sans ms, sans-=
serif" color=3D"#000000">theukmotorsports.com</font></a></div><div><font fa=
ce=3D"comic sans ms, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000">(804) 564-1839</font></d=
iv></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_qu=
ote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 a=
t 4:56=E2=80=AFPM Barr, Scott via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Very interesting.=C2=A0 Now if we could just get the=
m to stop changing the formulation without telling anyone about it=E2=80=A6=
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Scott (B.)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali=
bri,sans-serif"> Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Janzen via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 27, 2025 2:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> &#39;Friends of Triumph&#39; Triumph &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Fot] High zinc oils, or not?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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gine/do-classic-cars-actually-need-high-zinc-oil-lake-speed-finds-out/?utm_=
source=3Drss&amp;utm_medium=3Drss&amp;utm_campaign=3Ddo-classic-cars-actual=
ly-need-high-zinc-oil-lake-speed-finds-out&amp;utm_source=3DActiveCampaign&=
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d%20More%20From%20EngineLabs%20com%21&amp;utm_campaign=3DEL%206%2F27%2F25" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/engine/do-classic-=
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From: Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2025 18:44:15 -0500

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It seems that one of the big takeaways from this article and the
companion Youtube video is that adding ZDDP to an oil with detergents may
not allow the ZDDP to do its job.

Bob

On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 5:25=E2=80=AFPM Chip Collingwood via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net>
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> On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 4:56=E2=80=AFPM Barr, Scott via Fot <[email-masked]=
am.net>
>> https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/engine/do-classic-cars-actually-n=
eed-high-zinc-oil-lake-speed-finds-out/?utm_source=3Drss&utm_medium=3Drss&u=
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ore%20Than%201%2C500HP%20With%20The%2012-Rotor%2C%20Sorting%20Out%20Gen%20V=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">It seems that one of the big takeaways from this article a=
nd the companion=C2=A0Youtube=C2=A0video is that adding ZDDP to an oil with=
 detergents may not allow the ZDDP to do its job.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>=
Bob</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 5:25=E2=80=AFPM Chip=
 Collingwood via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">So does this suggest that his previo=
us work with Joe Gibbs and the Driven line of oils is questionable?</div><b=
r clear=3D"all"></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><font face=3D"comic sans ms, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"=
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