Subject: Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?

From: Chris Marx via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 15:07:24 +0200

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I use a small alternator from a Suzuki Swift =E2=80=9989 which should =
also fit to a Spiti.

I changed the pulley size to make it run slower.

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Mine does work now 20 years.

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Cheers

Chris

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From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Mike Harmuth via Fot
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 2:52 PM
To: FoTTriumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?

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I'm getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to =
last a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the norm.

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 Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions, including =
running without one. That being said, any suggestions/part =
numbers/suppliers of a system that works for you?

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BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream =
(currently available on YouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.

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thanks

mike h

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I use a small alternator from a Suzuki Swift =
=E2=80=9989 which should also fit to a Spiti.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I changed the pulley =
size to make it run slower.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Mine does work now 20 =
years.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Fot =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Harmuth via =
Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19, 2025 2:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
FoTTriumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] What =
alternators are you using on a Spitfire?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I'm =
getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to last =
a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the =
norm.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;Like oil, I know there will be many different =
opinions, including running without one. That being said, any =
suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a system that&nbsp;works for =
you?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on =
the VRG live stream (currently available&nbsp;on YouTube). Nice job =
against the 911 Mr. Frye.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>mike =
h<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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From: "JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 10:20:31 -0400

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Mike,
       The mini-denso style alternators work great.  There is a difference
in quality between the cheapest, bottom of the barrel options, and the more
expensive options.

When my $10 Amazon special failed at VIR last year (had been in service
since 2020), the backup unit I borrowed from Henry Frye looked identical,
but weighed substantially more!  There's clearly a difference.

Currently, I'm running a powermaster brand and it seems to be well made.

I also like to run a larger pulley to slow things down.  Here in the
states, you can get a 4" pulley sold as Powermaster p/n 182.  This is a
direct swap onto the mini denso.

We were also watching the J500 at my house, did you catch the medium bore
race, where under full course caution, the commentator shouted "Slow down,
Henry!".  We about fell out of our chairs laughing!

Jason Sukey
JS Performance Motoring, LLC
440.984.7720
[email-masked]
www.jspmparts.com
https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/

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> without one. That being said, any suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a
> system that works for you?
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> BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Mike,</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The mini-d=
enso style alternators work great.=C2=A0 There is a difference in quality b=
etween the cheapest, bottom of the barrel options, and the more expensive o=
ptions.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>When my $10 Amazon special fai=
led at VIR last year (had been in service since 2020), the backup unit I bo=
rrowed from Henry Frye looked identical, but weighed substantially more!=C2=
=A0 There&#39;s clearly a difference.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=
Currently, I&#39;m running a powermaster brand and it seems to be well made=
.</div><div><br></div><div>I also like to run a larger pulley to slow thing=
s down.=C2=A0 Here in the states, you can get a 4&quot; pulley sold as Powe=
rmaster p/n 182.=C2=A0 This is a direct swap onto the mini denso.</div><div=
><br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:ii_mav62zod0" alt=3D"20250519_095108.jpg" w=
idth=3D"563" height=3D"422"><br></div><img src=3D"cid:ii_mav62zoy1" alt=3D"=
20250519_095116.jpg" width=3D"563" height=3D"351"><br><div><br></div><div>W=
e were also watching the J500 at my house, did you catch the medium bore ra=
ce, where under full course caution, the commentator shouted &quot;Slow dow=
n, Henry!&quot;.=C2=A0 We about fell out of our chairs laughing!</div><div>=
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tr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Ja=
son Sukey</div><div><span></span><span></span>JS Performance Motoring, LLC<=
br></div><div>440.984.7720</div><div><a href=3D"mailto:jason@jsperformancem=
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I&#39;m getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to=
 last a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the norm.<div><=
br><div>=C2=A0Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions, inclu=
ding running without one. That being said, any suggestions/part numbers/sup=
pliers of a system that=C2=A0works for you?</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, I=
 enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream (current=
ly available=C2=A0on YouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.</div><div=
><br></div><div>thanks</div><div>mike h</div></div></div>
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If you go to the Powermaster website, they have a formula to determine the =
proper alternator you need based on crank pully size and max RPM of your en=
gine. I burned up 2 of the cheap Denso units designed for fork lift use in =
a year and after installing the Powermaster unit all has been good.
Greg Thompson=C2=A0=20

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Do you have the part number for the powermaster?
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From: Fot <[email-masked]>On Behalf Of JS Performance Motoring,=
 LLC via Fot
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 10:21 AM
To: Mike Harmuth <[email-masked]>
Cc: FoTTriumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?
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Mike,
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The mini-denso style alternators work great.=C2=
=A0 There is a difference in quality between the cheapest, bottom of the ba=
rrel options, and the more expensive options.=C2=A0=C2=A0
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
When my $10 Amazon special failed at VIR last year (had been in service sin=
ce 2020), the backup unit I borrowed from Henry Frye looked identical, but =
weighed substantially more!=C2=A0 There's clearly a difference.=C2=A0=C2=A0
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Currently, I'm running a powermaster brand and it seems to be well made.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
I also like to run a larger pulley to slow things down.=C2=A0 Here in the s=
tates, you can get a 4" pulley sold as Powermaster p/n 182.=C2=A0 This is a=
 direct swap onto the mini denso.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20

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=20
 =C2=A0
=20
We were also watching the J500 at my house, did you catch the medium bore r=
ace, where under full course caution, the commentator shouted "Slow down, H=
enry!".=C2=A0 We about fell out of our chairs laughing!
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
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=20
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Jason Sukey
=20
JS Performance Motoring, LLC
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440.984.7720
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www.jspmparts.com
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https://www.facebook.com/JSPerformanceMotoring/
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On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:01=E2=80=AFAM Mike Harmuth via Fot <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:
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I'm getting tired of replacing the stock type alternators. They used to las=
t a few seasons but now it seems like a few weekends is the norm.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
=C2=A0Like oil, I know there will be many different opinions, including run=
ning without one. That being said, any suggestions/part numbers/suppliers o=
f a system that=C2=A0works for you?
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
BTW, I enjoyed watching the Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream (c=
urrently available=C2=A0on YouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.
=20
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thanks
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p Denso units designed for fork lift use in a year and after installing the=
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11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19, 2025 10:21 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Mike Harmuth &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> FoTTriumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?</sp=
an></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">Mike,</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;T=
he mini-denso style alternators work great.&nbsp; There is a difference in =
quality between the cheapest, bottom of the barrel options, and the more ex=
pensive options.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">When my $10 Amazon special f=
ailed at VIR last year (had been in service since 2020), the backup unit I =
borrowed from Henry Frye looked identical, but weighed substantially more!&=
nbsp; There's clearly a difference.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">Currently, I'm running a pow=
ermaster brand and it seems to be well made.</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">I also like to run a larger =
pulley to slow things down.&nbsp; Here in the states, you can get a 4" pull=
ey sold as Powermaster p/n 182.&nbsp; This is a direct swap onto the mini d=
enso.</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">We were also watching the J5=
00 at my house, did you catch the medium bore race, where under full course=
 caution, the commentator shouted "Slow down, Henry!".&nbsp; We about fell =
out of our chairs laughing!</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">Jason Sukey</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">JS Performance Motoring, LLC=
</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">440.984.7720</p>=20
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ilto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">ja=
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:01=
<span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">=E2=80=AF</span>AM Mike Harmuth via=
 Fot &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">I'm getting tired of replaci=
ng the stock type alternators. They used to last a few seasons but now it s=
eems like a few weekends is the norm.</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">&nbsp;Like oil, I know there=
 will be many different opinions, including running without one. That being=
 said, any suggestions/part numbers/suppliers of a system that&nbsp;works f=
or you?</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">BTW, I enjoyed watching the =
Jeff 500 last weekend on the VRG live stream (currently available&nbsp;on Y=
ouTube). Nice job against the 911 Mr. Frye.</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">thanks</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpfce06ca6yiv0632400883MsoNormal">mike h</p>=20
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From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot" <[email-masked]>
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While on the subject of alternators ...

Once upon a time, a couple decades past I purchased an alternator 
conversion kit from a Morgan parts house for my TR3. About 7 or 8 years 
ago it failed while I was near Laughlin NV. I had a local shop fix it. 
They replaced my 3 wire alternator with a single wire system that used 
the wire going to the idiot light to charge the battery. For the past 
few years the alternator output didn't start charging until I hit about 
2000 RPM and didn't go to a full 15V charge unless the engine was 
turning 3200 RPM or better. The 2 wire connector on the side of the 
alternator has a wire they never connected to anything.

I've been tempted to replace the alternator with a 3 wire system that 
starts charging when it is supposed to but have no idea which alternator 
to buy.

I never wrote down the number or ID of the alternator I purchased from 
the Morgan shop and forgot which shop it was. I've only worked with 
Delco 10 & 12SI alternators and what's in there appears slightly smaller.

So what is a good 3 wire alternator that fits a TR3 bay? I have an 
electric fan so I would guess 60 AMPS would be more than enough for the 
fan, headlamps, and a pair of aux lamps.

Suggestions?

    TeriAnn

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    <p>While on the subject of alternators ...</p>
    <p>Once upon a time, a couple decades past I purchased an alternator
      conversion kit from a Morgan parts house for my TR3. About 7 or 8
      years ago it failed while I was near Laughlin NV. I had a local
      shop fix it. They replaced my 3 wire alternator with a single wire
      system that used the wire going to the idiot light to charge the
      battery. For the past few years the alternator output didn't start
      charging until I hit about 2000 RPM and didn't go to a full 15V
      charge unless the engine was turning 3200 RPM or better. The 2
      wire connector on the side of the alternator has a wire they never
      connected to anything.</p>
    <p> I've been tempted to replace the alternator with a 3 wire system
      that starts charging when it is supposed to but have no idea which
      alternator to buy.
    </p>
    <p>I never wrote down the number or ID of the alternator I purchased
      from the Morgan shop and forgot which shop it was. I've only
      worked with Delco 10 &amp; 12SI alternators and what's in there
      appears slightly smaller.<br>
    </p>
    <p>So what is a good 3 wire alternator that fits a TR3 bay? I have
      an electric fan so I would guess 60 AMPS would be more than enough
      for the fan, headlamps, and a pair of aux lamps.</p>
    <p>Suggestions?</p>
    <p>   TeriAnn<br>
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No help here. My 1964 Spitfire came with a generator. We built it into a ra=
ce car in 1971 and threw the generator away. After that I only had a batter=
y and I fully charged it before each weekend plus a spare that I swapped ou=
t on Sunday.

--Rocky

From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman via =
Fot
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 3:03 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?

Once upon a time, a couple decades past I purchased an alternator conversio=
n kit from a Morgan parts house for my TR3. About 7 or 8 years ago it faile=
d while I was near Laughlin NV. I had a local shop fix it. They replaced my=
 3 wire alternator with a single wire system that used the wire going to th=
e idiot light to charge the battery. For the past few years the alternator =
output didn't start charging until I hit about 2000 RPM and didn't go to a =
full 15V charge unless the engine was turning 3200 RPM or better. The 2 wir=
e connector on the side of the alternator has a wire they never connected t=
o anything.

I've been tempted to replace the alternator with a 3 wire system that start=
s charging when it is supposed to but have no idea which alternator to buy.

I never wrote down the number or ID of the alternator I purchased from the =
Morgan shop and forgot which shop it was. I've only worked with Delco 10 & =
12SI alternators and what's in there appears slightly smaller.

So what is a good 3 wire alternator that fits a TR3 bay? I have an electric=
 fan so I would guess 60 AMPS would be more than enough for the fan, headla=
mps, and a pair of aux lamps.

Suggestions?

   TeriAnn

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threw the generator away. After that I only had a battery and I fully charg=
ed it before each weekend plus a spare
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font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Fot &lt;[email-masked]=
.net&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19, 2025 3:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] What alternators are you using on a Spitfire?<o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p>While on the subject of alternators ...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Once upon a time, a couple decades past I purchased an alternator conver=
sion kit from a Morgan parts house for my TR3. About 7 or 8 years ago it fa=
iled while I was near Laughlin NV. I had a local shop fix it. They replaced=
 my 3 wire alternator with a single
 wire system that used the wire going to the idiot light to charge the batt=
ery. For the past few years the alternator output didn't start charging unt=
il I hit about 2000 RPM and didn't go to a full 15V charge unless the engin=
e was turning 3200 RPM or better.
 The 2 wire connector on the side of the alternator has a wire they never c=
onnected to anything.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I've been tempted to replace the alternator with a 3 wire system that st=
arts charging when it is supposed to but have no idea which alternator to b=
uy.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I never wrote down the number or ID of the alternator I purchased from t=
he Morgan shop and forgot which shop it was. I've only worked with Delco 10=
 &amp; 12SI alternators and what's in there appears slightly smaller.<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p>So what is a good 3 wire alternator that fits a TR3 bay? I have an elect=
ric fan so I would guess 60 AMPS would be more than enough for the fan, hea=
dlamps, and a pair of aux lamps.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Suggestions?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp; TeriAnn<o:p></o:p></p>
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The Suzuki 1987/1989 Samurai alternator that was mentioned previously is a
three wire alternator, and is very small.=C2=A0 You will have to make some =
mounting
bracket changes, but it fits well.

John
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=2Eteam.net> wrote:
=C2=A0
While on the subject of alternators ...

I've been tempted to replace the alternator with a 3 wire system that start=
s charging when it is supposed to but have no idea which alternator to buy=
=2E

Suggestions?

=C2=A0=C2=A0 TeriAnn

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lor: #000000;">The Suzuki 1987/1989 Samurai alternator that was mentioned p=
reviously is a<br>
three wire alternator, and is very small.&nbsp; You will have to make some =
mounting<br>
bracket changes, but it fits well.<br>
<br>
John
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[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</span><br>
&nbsp;
<p>While on the subject of alternators ...</p>

<p>Once upon a time, a couple decades past I purchased an alternator conver=
sion kit from a Morgan parts house for my TR3. About 7 or 8 years ago it fa=
iled while I was near Laughlin NV. I had a local shop fix it. They replaced=
 my 3 wire alternator with a single wire system that used the wire going to=
 the idiot light to charge the battery. For the past few years the alternat=
or output didn't start charging until I hit about 2000 RPM and didn't go to=
 a full 15V charge unless the engine was turning 3200 RPM or better. The 2 =
wire connector on the side of the alternator has a wire they never connecte=
d to anything.</p>

uy.</p>

<p>I never wrote down the number or ID of the alternator I purchased from t=
he Morgan shop and forgot which shop it was. I've only worked with Delco 10=
 &amp; 12SI alternators and what's in there appears slightly smaller.</p>

<p>So what is a good 3 wire alternator that fits a TR3 bay? I have an elect=
ric fan so I would guess 60 AMPS would be more than enough for the fan, hea=
dlamps, and a pair of aux lamps.</p>

<p>Suggestions?</p>

<p>&nbsp;&nbsp; TeriAnn</p>

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Thanks for all the info. A bad 3 wire connector was what started all this
and a new one fixed my immediate problem. A couple of Denso, single wire
types, are on the way here as well as assorted brackets and a 4" pulley.
The good news is I don't need to scramble to make my next 3 events (just
make sure the battery charger is in the new camper) and hope to have the
reengineered parts installed in time for PittRace.

thank you

mike h

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>
>
> conversion kit from a Morgan parts house for my TR3. About 7 or 8 years a=
go
> it failed while I was near Laughlin NV. I had a local shop fix it. They
> replaced my 3 wire alternator with a single wire system that used the wir=
e
> going to the idiot light to charge the battery. For the past few years th=
e
> alternator output didn't start charging until I hit about 2000 RPM and
> didn't go to a full 15V charge unless the engine was turning 3200 RPM or
> better. The 2 wire connector on the side of the alternator has a wire the=
y
> never connected to anything.
>
> starts charging when it is supposed to but have no idea which alternator =
to
> buy.
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> I never wrote down the number or ID of the alternator I purchased from th=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for all the info. A bad 3 wire connector was what s=
tarted all this and a new one fixed my immediate problem. A couple of Denso=
, single wire types, are on the way here as well as assorted brackets and a=
 4&quot; pulley. The good news is I don&#39;t need to scramble=C2=A0to make=
 my next 3 events (just make sure the battery charger is in the new camper)=
 and hope to have the reengineered parts installed in time for PittRace.<di=
v><br></div><div>thank you=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>mike h</div></div=
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<div style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">The Suzuki=
 1987/1989 Samurai alternator that was mentioned previously is a<br>
three wire alternator, and is very small.=C2=A0 You will have to make some =
mounting<br>
bracket changes, but it fits well.<br>
<br>
John
=C2=A0

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quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br>
=C2=A0
<p>While on the subject of alternators ...</p>

<p>Once upon a time, a couple decades past I purchased an alternator conver=
sion kit from a Morgan parts house for my TR3. About 7 or 8 years ago it fa=
iled while I was near Laughlin NV. I had a local shop fix it. They replaced=
 my 3 wire alternator with a single wire system that used the wire going to=
 the idiot light to charge the battery. For the past few years the alternat=
or output didn&#39;t start charging until I hit about 2000 RPM and didn&#39=
;t go to a full 15V charge unless the engine was turning 3200 RPM or better=
. The 2 wire connector on the side of the alternator has a wire they never =
connected to anything.</p>

<p>I&#39;ve been tempted to replace the alternator with a 3 wire system tha=
t starts charging when it is supposed to but have no idea which alternator =
to buy.</p>

<p>I never wrote down the number or ID of the alternator I purchased from t=
he Morgan shop and forgot which shop it was. I&#39;ve only worked with Delc=
o 10 &amp; 12SI alternators and what&#39;s in there appears slightly smalle=
r.</p>

<p>Suggestions?</p>

<p>=C2=A0=C2=A0 TeriAnn</p>

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From: Mark Bradakis via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 17:40:46 -0600

Back in the days of IVR running events at Wendover, I switched to a 
single wire alternator in the Killer Spit.  I had to fab some brackets 
to make it fit, but it worked well.  The first event I ran at Wendover 
went very well, I was pleased.

The second event was a bit different.  First race I was doing fine, 
getting passed bt the Mustangs and Corvettes and RX-7s as usual.  I came 
to the hairpin before the main straight, hit the brakes and nothing 
happened.  Well, it seemed the car doubled its speed when the brakes 
failed.  I of course missed the hairpin entirely, and coasted along the 
concrete for quite a ways.  Got back to the pits, popped the bonnet and 
immediately saw the problem.  The single wire between the battery and 
the alternator had come undone from the alternator.  The wire was tied 
to the chassis with a nylon tie a foot or two from the alternator.  The 
O ring on the end of the wire had limited range of movement.  What kept 
it from shorting out on the chassis was the brake line to the left 
front.  It bounced around.  Ever hear of EDM, electric discharge 
machining?  Well, the wire was still attached to the battery on the 
other end.  Every time the O ring bounced on the brake line, it sparked. 
  And soon enough the sparks had eaten through the brake line, and all 
the fluid drained out of the system.  No fluid, no brakes!

mjb.

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 Had the same thing happen to me at Put In Bay with my braided clutch line!=
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went very well, I was pleased.

The second event was a bit different.=C2=A0 First race I was doing fine,=20
getting passed bt the Mustangs and Corvettes and RX-7s as usual.=C2=A0 I ca=
me=20
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happened.=C2=A0 Well, it seemed the car doubled its speed when the brakes=
=20
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concrete for quite a ways.=C2=A0 Got back to the pits, popped the bonnet an=
d=20
immediately saw the problem.=C2=A0 The single wire between the battery and=
=20
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=20
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e=20
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front.=C2=A0 It bounced around.=C2=A0 Ever hear of EDM, electric discharge=
=20
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mjb.

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From: Ponostyle via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 10:14:24 -0700

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A 12V LA battery sits at 14.5 only when it=E2=80=99s been freshly =
charged with no load applied. As soon as electrons start being =
rearranged it drops to 12.9 and heads lower quickly. Race cars runniong =
total loss suffer from the low voltage of LA (lead acid) batteries under =
loads. Pertronics poops out, other stuff works marginally. The easy fix =
is a lithium battery. Not only are they much lighter, they also have a =
much flatter discharge curve and higher nominal voltage Li-ion is =
typically 14 V, Li
FePO4 (caled LiFe geneerally) is 12.8. They work extremely well, last a =
very long time, and are zero maintenance other than charging them. Other =
than in endurance races opr an time you need lights I think alternators =
in race cars are nothing but trouble, take horsepower to turn, have =
belts, and die at lousy times. Other than that they=E2=80=99re great.

> On May 20, 2025, at 3:35=E2=80=AFAM, Rich Hahn via Fot =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Had the same thing happen to me at Put In Bay with my braided clutch =
line!!  At least I could stop!!
>=20
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 10:24:19 PM EDT, Mark Bradakis via Fot =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
> single wire alternator in the Killer Spit.  I had to fab some brackets=20=

> to make it fit, but it worked well.  The first event I ran at Wendover=20=

> The second event was a bit different.  First race I was doing fine,=20
> getting passed bt the Mustangs and Corvettes and RX-7s as usual.  I =
came=20
> happened.  Well, it seemed the car doubled its speed when the brakes=20=

> failed.  I of course missed the hairpin entirely, and coasted along =
the=20
> concrete for quite a ways.  Got back to the pits, popped the bonnet =
and=20
> immediately saw the problem.  The single wire between the battery and=20=

> the alternator had come undone from the alternator.  The wire was tied=20=

> to the chassis with a nylon tie a foot or two from the alternator.  =
The=20
> O ring on the end of the wire had limited range of movement.  What =
kept=20
> front.  It bounced around.  Ever hear of EDM, electric discharge=20
> machining?  Well, the wire was still attached to the battery on the=20
> other end.  Every time the O ring bounced on the brake line, it =
sparked.=20
>   And soon enough the sparks had eaten through the brake line, and all=20=

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">A 12V LA =
battery sits at 14.5 only when it=E2=80=99s been freshly charged with no =
load applied. As soon as electrons start being rearranged it drops to =
12.9 and heads lower quickly. Race cars runniong total loss suffer from =
the low voltage of LA (lead acid) batteries under loads. Pertronics =
poops out, other stuff works marginally. The easy fix is a lithium =
battery. Not only are they much lighter, they also have a much flatter =
discharge curve and higher nominal voltage Li-ion is typically 14 V, =
Li<div>FePO4 (caled LiFe geneerally) is 12.8. They work extremely well, =
last a very long time, and are zero maintenance other than charging =
them. Other than in endurance races opr an time you need lights I think =
alternators in race cars are nothing but trouble, take horsepower to =
turn, have belts, and die at lousy times. Other than that they=E2=80=99re =
great.</div><div><br =
id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On May 20, 2025, at 3:35=E2=80=AFAM, Rich Hahn via =
Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div =
class=3D"ydpf0ad7e93yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Had the same thing happen =
to me at Put In Bay with my braided clutch line!!&nbsp; At least I could =
stop!!</div><div><br></div>
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class=3D"ydp7ee3b2eyahoo_quoted">
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                <div>
                        On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 10:24:19 PM EDT, Mark =
Bradakis via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                    </div>
                    <div><br></div>
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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">Back in the days of IVR running =
events at Wendover, I switched to a <br clear=3D"none">single wire =
alternator in the Killer Spit.&nbsp; I had to fab some brackets <br =
clear=3D"none">to make it fit, but it worked well.&nbsp; The first event =
I ran at Wendover <br clear=3D"none">went very well, I was pleased.<br =
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">The second event was a bit =
different.&nbsp; First race I was doing fine, <br clear=3D"none">getting =
passed bt the Mustangs and Corvettes and RX-7s as usual.&nbsp; I came =
<br clear=3D"none">to the hairpin before the main straight, hit the =
brakes and nothing <br clear=3D"none">happened.&nbsp; Well, it seemed =
the car doubled its speed when the brakes <br clear=3D"none">failed.&nbsp;=
 I of course missed the hairpin entirely, and coasted along the <br =
clear=3D"none">concrete for quite a ways.&nbsp; Got back to the pits, =
popped the bonnet and <br clear=3D"none">immediately saw the =
problem.&nbsp; The single wire between the battery and <br =
clear=3D"none">the alternator had come undone from the alternator.&nbsp; =
The wire was tied <br clear=3D"none">to the chassis with a nylon tie a =
foot or two from the alternator.&nbsp; The <br clear=3D"none">O ring on =
the end of the wire had limited range of movement.&nbsp; What kept <br =
clear=3D"none">it from shorting out on the chassis was the brake line to =
the left <br clear=3D"none">front.&nbsp; It bounced around.&nbsp; Ever =
hear of EDM, electric discharge <br clear=3D"none">machining?&nbsp; =
Well, the wire was still attached to the battery on the <br =
clear=3D"none">other end.&nbsp; Every time the O ring bounced on the =
brake line, it sparked. <br clear=3D"none">&nbsp; And soon enough the =
sparks had eaten through the brake line, and all <br clear=3D"none">the =
fluid drained out of the system.&nbsp; No fluid, no brakes!<br =
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