Subject: Re: [Fot] TR intake gaskets

From: Lyman Scherer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:08:49 -0700

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Phil=E2=80=A6 pretty sure you are correct o=
n the mis-match of clamping, headers are a mess, intakes ok. All sealing sur=
faces are good &amp; flat. Going to start from scratch. Remflex gaskets, nic=
e 3/8 shoulder bolts I have, fab new cross clamps, service headers even thou=
gh had no exhaust leaks. Thx for advice!<br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSign=
ature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><block=
quote type=3D"cite">On Apr 9, 2025, at 7:46=E2=80=AFAM, Bob Kramer via Fot &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Getting to the two bottom n=
uts gets even more&nbsp;difficult when you add a support bracketing to take t=
he place of the OEM bolting of the intake to the exhaust&nbsp;manifold that w=
e lose when using a header, thus it is easier to get it wrong.</div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM yellow04 via Fot &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
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<p>My money is on this one... Blowing out the bottom of the intake gaskets m=
eans you didn't get nearly enough pressure (if any) from that pesky lower mo=
unting stud and clamp. I have found if you use anything other than a stock i=
ntake manifold and stock exhaust manifold, you must scrutinize the area wher=
e the clamps will sit to ensure the height is very similar. Or, modify the c=
lamps by welding on something to make sure when the clamp rests on the appro=
priate bits of the intake and exhaust manifold, when the nut is tightened it=
 puts equal pressure on both manifolds.&nbsp;Obviously, the mounting face on=
 each manifold needs to be flat. Assuming you have everything in order, ther=
e is no reason a stock manifold gasket will not work, I have run them when I=
 could not get my hands on the HD gaskets and they worked fine for me.&nbsp;=
</p>
<p>Last thought, the nuts that hold the manifolds on are notorious for loose=
ning up in time, and especially after the first few heat cycles. And with ev=
erything installed, getting to the two bottom nuts can be a pain. But, failu=
re to keep them properly torqued leads to blown out gaskets.</p>
<div id=3D"m_8205082758269726652signature">&nbsp;</div>
<p><br></p>
<p id=3D"m_8205082758269726652reply-intro">On 2025-04-09 06:55, vfracing--- v=
ia Fot wrote:</p>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Lyman;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;another possible cause is a mis match in the thicknes=
ses of the intake and exhaust manifold flanges.</div>
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From: Lyman Scherer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:13:45 -0700

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Anthony.. picture shows result.<div>No back=
fires, this is BajaTR3 engine with 3 years of Kastner Cups, zero failures. V=
ariable is used existing TR4 intakes and header with poor clamping hardware.=
 Complete redo of all mounting clamp arrangement!</div><div><br id=3D"lineBr=
eakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 9, 2025, at 7:08=E2=80=AFPM, L=
yman Scherer &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"conten=
t-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Phil=E2=80=A6 pretty sure you=
 are correct on the mis-match of clamping, headers are a mess, intakes ok. A=
ll sealing surfaces are good &amp; flat. Going to start from scratch. Remfle=
x gaskets, nice 3/8 shoulder bolts I have, fab new cross clamps, service hea=
ders even though had no exhaust leaks. Thx for advice!<br id=3D"lineBreakAtB=
eginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 9, 2025, at 7:46=E2=80=AFAM, Bob Kr=
amer via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Getting to=
 the two bottom nuts gets even more&nbsp;difficult when you add a support br=
acketing to take the place of the OEM bolting of the intake to the exhaust&n=
bsp;manifold that we lose when using a header, thus it is easier to get it w=
rong.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM yellow04 vi=
a Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
<p>My money is on this one... Blowing out the bottom of the intake gaskets m=
eans you didn't get nearly enough pressure (if any) from that pesky lower mo=
unting stud and clamp. I have found if you use anything other than a stock i=
ntake manifold and stock exhaust manifold, you must scrutinize the area wher=
e the clamps will sit to ensure the height is very similar. Or, modify the c=
lamps by welding on something to make sure when the clamp rests on the appro=
priate bits of the intake and exhaust manifold, when the nut is tightened it=
 puts equal pressure on both manifolds.&nbsp;Obviously, the mounting face on=
 each manifold needs to be flat. Assuming you have everything in order, ther=
e is no reason a stock manifold gasket will not work, I have run them when I=
 could not get my hands on the HD gaskets and they worked fine for me.&nbsp;=
</p>
<p>Last thought, the nuts that hold the manifolds on are notorious for loose=
ning up in time, and especially after the first few heat cycles. And with ev=
erything installed, getting to the two bottom nuts can be a pain. But, failu=
re to keep them properly torqued leads to blown out gaskets.</p>
<div id=3D"m_8205082758269726652signature">&nbsp;</div>
<p><br></p>
<p id=3D"m_8205082758269726652reply-intro">On 2025-04-09 06:55, vfracing--- v=
ia Fot wrote:</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding:0px 0.4em;border-left:2px solid r=
gb(16,16,255);margin:0px">
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<div style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:16px">
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Lyman;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;another possible cause is a mis match in the thicknes=
ses of the intake and exhaust manifold flanges.</div>
</div>
</div>
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From: Lyman Scherer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:19:41 -0700

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">JoeB. You have great advise on the dowel-st=
ud upgrade, much more positive clamping. No time this round, engine getting r=
ebuilt for BajaTR3 after LimeRock. Will do both TR4 engine in process and Ba=
jaTR. Thanks<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 9, 2025, at 7:08=E2=80=AFPM, Lyman Sche=
rer &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" c=
ontent=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Phil=E2=80=A6 pretty sure you are corr=
ect on the mis-match of clamping, headers are a mess, intakes ok. All sealin=
g surfaces are good &amp; flat. Going to start from scratch. Remflex gaskets=
, nice 3/8 shoulder bolts I have, fab new cross clamps, service headers even=
 though had no exhaust leaks. Thx for advice!<br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningO=
fSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 9, 2025, at 7:46=E2=80=AFAM, Bob Kramer via =
Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Getting to the two b=
ottom nuts gets even more&nbsp;difficult when you add a support bracketing t=
o take the place of the OEM bolting of the intake to the exhaust&nbsp;manifo=
ld that we lose when using a header, thus it is easier to get it wrong.</div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM yellow04 via Fot &lt;=
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From: Tony Drews via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 22:05:28 -0500

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One note of caution on the Remflex gaskets.  The pre-made ones have 
holes for the intakes that are - to me - too large for the narrow 
sealing surface of my weber cannon manifold.  I buy uncut material from 
them and then cut to size using a sharp knife.  That way the intake 
holes are exactly the same ID as the holes in the head and I get max 
sealing surface.  I think they are fine for stock intake manifolds.

I asked them about making ones with smaller holes and they were willing 
to do that if I paid the tooling costs (which weren't horrible).  I 
declined and just make my own gaskets.

I am a big fan of their gaskets.  They are not reusable generally if you 
care about that (I don't).

If you look at the picture shared of the blown out gasket you can see 
that the lower flange of the intake manifold had very little overlap 
with the gasket.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 4/9/2025 9:08 PM, Lyman Scherer via Fot wrote:
> Phil… pretty sure you are correct on the mis-match of clamping, 
> headers are a mess, intakes ok. All sealing surfaces are good & flat. 
> Going to start from scratch. Remflex gaskets, nice 3/8 shoulder bolts 
> I have, fab new cross clamps, service headers even though had no 
> exhaust leaks. Thx for advice!
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 9, 2025, at 7:46 AM, Bob Kramer via Fot <[email-masked]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Getting to the two bottom nuts gets even more difficult when you add 
>> a support bracketing to take the place of the OEM bolting of the 
>> intake to the exhaust manifold that we lose when using a header, thus 
>> it is easier to get it wrong.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 7:48 AM yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>     My money is on this one... Blowing out the bottom of the intake
>>     gaskets means you didn't get nearly enough pressure (if any) from
>>     that pesky lower mounting stud and clamp. I have found if you use
>>     anything other than a stock intake manifold and stock exhaust
>>     manifold, you must scrutinize the area where the clamps will sit
>>     to ensure the height is very similar. Or, modify the clamps by
>>     welding on something to make sure when the clamp rests on the
>>     appropriate bits of the intake and exhaust manifold, when the nut
>>     is tightened it puts equal pressure on both manifolds. Obviously,
>>     the mounting face on each manifold needs to be flat. Assuming you
>>     have everything in order, there is no reason a stock manifold
>>     gasket will not work, I have run them when I could not get my
>>     hands on the HD gaskets and they worked fine for me.
>>
>>     Last thought, the nuts that hold the manifolds on are notorious
>>     for loosening up in time, and especially after the first few heat
>>     cycles. And with everything installed, getting to the two bottom
>>     nuts can be a pain. But, failure to keep them properly torqued
>>     leads to blown out gaskets.
>>
>>
>>     On 2025-04-09 06:55, vfracing--- via Fot wrote:
>>
>>>     Lyman;
>>>      another possible cause is a mis match in the thicknesses of the
>>>     intake and exhaust manifold flanges.
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    <p>One note of caution on the Remflex gaskets.  The pre-made ones
      have holes for the intakes that are - to me - too large for the
      narrow sealing surface of my weber cannon manifold.  I buy uncut
      material from them and then cut to size using a sharp knife.  That
      way the intake holes are exactly the same ID as the holes in the
      head and I get max sealing surface.  I think they are fine for
      stock intake manifolds.</p>
    <p>I asked them about making ones with smaller holes and they were
      willing to do that if I paid the tooling costs (which weren't
      horrible).  I declined and just make my own gaskets.</p>
    <p>I am a big fan of their gaskets.  They are not reusable generally
      if you care about that (I don't).</p>
    <p>If you look at the picture shared of the blown out gasket you can
      see that the lower flange of the intake manifold had very little
      overlap with the gasket.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Cheers, Tony Drews<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/9/2025 9:08 PM, Lyman Scherer via
      Fot wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      Phil… pretty sure you are correct on the mis-match of clamping,
      headers are a mess, intakes ok. All sealing surfaces are good
      &amp; flat. Going to start from scratch. Remflex gaskets, nice 3/8
      shoulder bolts I have, fab new cross clamps, service headers even
      though had no exhaust leaks. Thx for advice!<br
        id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature">
      <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
        <blockquote type="cite">On Apr 9, 2025, at 7:46 AM, Bob Kramer
          via Fot <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
          <br>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <div dir="ltr">
          <div dir="ltr">Getting to the two bottom nuts gets even
            more difficult when you add a support bracketing to take the
            place of the OEM bolting of the intake to the
            exhaust manifold that we lose when using a header, thus it
            is easier to get it wrong.</div>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container">
            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at
              7:48 AM yellow04 via Fot &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true"
                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<br>
            </div>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
                <p>My money is on this one... Blowing out the bottom of
                  the intake gaskets means you didn't get nearly enough
                  pressure (if any) from that pesky lower mounting stud
                  and clamp. I have found if you use anything other than
                  a stock intake manifold and stock exhaust manifold,
                  you must scrutinize the area where the clamps will sit
                  to ensure the height is very similar. Or, modify the
                  clamps by welding on something to make sure when the
                  clamp rests on the appropriate bits of the intake and
                  exhaust manifold, when the nut is tightened it puts
                  equal pressure on both manifolds. Obviously, the
                  mounting face on each manifold needs to be flat.
                  Assuming you have everything in order, there is no
                  reason a stock manifold gasket will not work, I have
                  run them when I could not get my hands on the HD
                  gaskets and they worked fine for me. </p>
                <p>Last thought, the nuts that hold the manifolds on are
                  notorious for loosening up in time, and especially
                  after the first few heat cycles. And with everything
                  installed, getting to the two bottom nuts can be a
                  pain. But, failure to keep them properly torqued leads
                  to blown out gaskets.</p>
                <div id="m_8205082758269726652signature"> </div>
                <p><br>
                </p>
                <p id="m_8205082758269726652reply-intro">On 2025-04-09
                  06:55, vfracing--- via Fot wrote:</p>
                <blockquote type="cite"
style="padding:0px 0.4em;border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin:0px">
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                        <div> </div>
                        <div dir="ltr">Lyman;</div>
                        <div dir="ltr"> </div>
                        <div dir="ltr"> another possible cause is a mis
                          match in the thicknesses of the intake and
                          exhaust manifold flanges.</div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
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