Subject: Re: [Fot] 2025 Kastner Cup sanctioning body rules

From: Lyman Scherer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:19:25 -0700

So going with ATL bladder replacement. It’s only $$$, all my racers have ATL or Fuel Safe. Thx
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> On Feb 3, 2025, at 4:16 PM, Lyman Scherer <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Our NASA-AZ requires ‘stock’ steel tank, JAZ SCCA spec or ATL FIA certified bladder.
> Obviously stock is ‘unsafe’ to me, JAZ plastic ok, my ATL expensive with 3-5 year usability specification per rules.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2025, at 3:55 PM, Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting question. VRG requires an FIA fuel cell for a car this age. VSCCA does not. Both are supporting the event. Perhaps Henry or Paul know the answer?
>> You might want to think about where else you will race the car in the future and look at their rules.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Feb 3, 2025, at 5:10 PM, Lyman Scherer via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What race sanction organization rules are at Lime Rock ‘25 K.Cup?
>>> We need new fuel cell.
>>> Have way expired ATL SP108 bladder. Rather buy a JAZ SCCA tank vs $800 ATL bladder.
>>> Lyman Scherer / Dave Riddle
>>> 1965 TR4A #65
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From: Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 20:15:10 -0500

When you install it be sure to pay attention to the “bulkhead” between you and the fuel cell, as well as where and what’s type of fuel lines you use. 
SCCA rules, which are adopted or accepted most anywhere we might run) require that no fuel may splash into the passenger compartment from the fuel cell. In other words, no holes. Fuel lines through the cockpit must be solid metal or a stainless braided hose. Or run the lines through some sort of metal conduit or other sort of metal bulkhead “container.” Not that Champ Car requires the fuel lines run outside the passenger compartment no matter what kind of line is used.  (I think but not certain Champ Car makes exceptions for OEM installations.)
The fuel cell itself does not “time out” per SCCA rules, but personal experience indicates there is a limit (a 30+ year old impregnated fabric fuel cell in my car was delaminated after being exhumed from the barn after 3 decades of rest. It would not have began legal anyway). 
Phil Gott
(SCCA Nationally licensed Scrutineer)

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From: fmccjr--- via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2025 02:48:36 +0000 (UTC)

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When I renovated my car 12 years ago,=C2=A0I had to get a new tank (with a=
=C2=A0new bladder, of course). Seems like ATL changed the 8 gallon tank=C2=
=A0dimensions from the 1970s, so a whole new tank went=C2=A0in the hole. In=
 fact the whole=C2=A0hole had to be altered.=C2=A0But not a whole lot=E2=80=
=A6
You won=E2=80=99t regret it in the long run.=C2=A0I can=E2=80=99t wait to s=
ee how it shines!
Best of luck,
Rick McCurdy
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On Monday, February 3, 2025, 7:56 PM, Lyman Scherer via Fot <[email-masked]=
.net> wrote:

So going with ATL bladder replacement. It=E2=80=99s only $$$, all my racers=
 have ATL or Fuel Safe. Thx
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2025, at 4:16=E2=80=AFPM, Lyman Scherer <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
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> =EF=BB=BFOur NASA-AZ requires =E2=80=98stock=E2=80=99 steel tank, JAZ SCC=
A spec or ATL FIA certified bladder.
> Obviously stock is =E2=80=98unsafe=E2=80=99 to me, JAZ plastic ok, my ATL=
 expensive with 3-5 year usability specification per rules.
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>> On Feb 3, 2025, at 3:55=E2=80=AFPM, Scott Janzen <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFInteresting question. VRG requires an FIA fuel cell for a car t=
his age. VSCCA does not. Both are supporting the event. Perhaps Henry or Pa=
ul know the answer?
>> You might want to think about where else you will race the car in the fu=
ture and look at their rules.
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>>> On Feb 3, 2025, at 5:10=E2=80=AFPM, Lyman Scherer via Fot <[email-masked]=
eam.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFWhat race sanction organization rules are at Lime Rock =E2=80=
=9825 K.Cup?
>>> We need new fuel cell.
>>> Have way expired ATL SP108 bladder. Rather buy a JAZ SCCA tank vs $800 =
ATL bladder.
>>>=20
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nbsp;new bladder, of course). Seems like ATL changed the 8 gallon tank&nbsp=
;dimensions from the 1970s, so a whole new tank went&nbsp;in the hole. In f=
act the whole&nbsp;hole had to be altered.&nbsp;<div>But not a whole lot=E2=
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<div>Best of luck,</div><div><br></div><div>Rick McCurdy</div><div><br><div=
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pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:lymanazhd=
@yahoo.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br c=
lear=3D"none">&gt; =EF=BB=BFOur NASA-AZ requires =E2=80=98stock=E2=80=99 st=
eel tank, JAZ SCCA spec or ATL FIA certified bladder.<br clear=3D"none">&gt=
; Obviously stock is =E2=80=98unsafe=E2=80=99 to me, JAZ plastic ok, my ATL=
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gt; On Feb 3, 2025, at 3:55=E2=80=AFPM, Scott Janzen &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">sjanzen@me=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; =
=EF=BB=BFInteresting question. VRG requires an FIA fuel cell for a car this=
 age. VSCCA does not. Both are supporting the event. Perhaps Henry or Paul =
know the answer?<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; You might want to think about w=
here else you will race the car in the future and look at their rules.<br c=
lear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br c=
lear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On Feb 3, 2025, =
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mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;=
&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BFWhat race sanction organization rules are at Lime Rock =
=E2=80=9825 K.Cup?<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; We need new fuel cell.<br=
 clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; Have way expired ATL SP108 bladder. Rather buy=
 a JAZ SCCA tank vs $800 ATL bladder.<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; Lyman =
Scherer / Dave Riddle<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; 1965 TR4A #65<br clear=
=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; _=
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