Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 needle question update

From: J Wagner via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 17:26:02 -0700

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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">congrats on finding the culprit=E2=80=A6</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The funniest hard to find bug I ever had turned o=
ut to be a freak rust pinhole in my heater return pipe=E2=80=A6 that was ent=
irely self sealing at low rpm and at high rpm it would only release a perfec=
t little spray mist=E2=80=A6 right onto the distributor cap=E2=80=A6. &nbsp;=
ultimately causing the car to quit=E2=80=A6 (but the moisture would dry so q=
uickly that it wasn=E2=80=99t perceptible, not even leaving any sign of cool=
ant)=E2=80=A6 The car wouldn=E2=80=99t start for a while, but then it would b=
e fine!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I only found it bec=
ause the car died on a dark road with only one source of light=E2=80=A6 in t=
he odd lighting=E2=80=A6without a flashlight=E2=80=A6 i could see electrical=
 charges swimming around my cap=E2=80=A6 &nbsp;and when I reached down and r=
evved the motor=E2=80=A6 I spotted the little misty stream out of the corner=
 of my eye! &nbsp;It was not visible in daylight!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94Justin&nbsp;</div><br class=3D"Apple-interch=
ange-newline" style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 17, 2024, at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM, David G=
ott via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blo=
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Found the smoking gun for the odd situation: &nbsp;cam timing was off by A L=
ot. &nbsp; Luckily Harbor Freight&nbsp;nearby had a dial indicator. &nbsp; C=
am&nbsp;is now timed correctly; car seems to run great after moving the cran=
k 28 degrees. &nbsp;:-).&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Still wondering if anyone h=
as a similar cam and a preferred needle; this cam is very close to the Kastn=
er F cam but with a smidge more lift. &nbsp;(But, I know: many variables). &=
nbsp;I=E2=80=99ll see how the RG needle currently installed does in the am (=
WET).&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again for the hel=
p; &nbsp;on site and via email! &nbsp;&nbsp;I fogure&nbsp;the end result is a=
lways good to know!!</div><div><br></div><div>Dave G<br><br><br><div class=3D=
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From: fubog1 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 13:59:48 +0000 (UTC)

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 That's a good one Justin, it's like the infamous MGB heater control valve,=
 when the valve starts leaking it drips directly onto the distributor & kil=
ls the engine.A design feature... I think not.I had a B in the shop once wh=
ere the owner made a "deflector" to keep the water off of the cap...
Glen Efinger

    On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 08:41:55 PM EDT, J Wagner via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net> wrote:  =20

 congrats on finding the culprit=E2=80=A6
The funniest hard to find bug I ever had turned out to be a freak rust pinh=
ole in my heater return pipe=E2=80=A6 that was entirely self sealing at low=
 rpm and at high rpm it would only release a perfect little spray mist=E2=
=80=A6 right onto the distributor cap=E2=80=A6. =C2=A0ultimately causing th=
e car to quit=E2=80=A6 (but the moisture would dry so quickly that it wasn=
=E2=80=99t perceptible, not even leaving any sign of coolant)=E2=80=A6 The =
car wouldn=E2=80=99t start for a while, but then it would be fine!
I only found it because the car died on a dark road with only one source of=
 light=E2=80=A6 in the odd lighting=E2=80=A6without a flashlight=E2=80=A6 i=
 could see electrical charges swimming around my cap=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0and whe=
n I reached down and revved the motor=E2=80=A6 I spotted the little misty s=
tream out of the corner of my eye! =C2=A0It was not visible in daylight!
=E2=80=94Justin=C2=A0

On May 17, 2024, at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM, David Gott via Fot <[email-masked]=
> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFFound the smoking gun for the odd situation: =C2=A0cam timing was =
off by A Lot. =C2=A0 Luckily Harbor Freight=C2=A0nearby had a dial indicato=
r. =C2=A0 Cam=C2=A0is now timed correctly; car seems to run great after mov=
ing the crank 28 degrees. =C2=A0:-).=C2=A0
Still wondering if anyone has a similar cam and a preferred needle; this ca=
m is very close to the Kastner F cam but with a smidge more lift. =C2=A0(Bu=
t, I know: many variables). =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ll see how the RG needle curren=
tly installed does in the am (WET).=C2=A0

Thanks again for the help; =C2=A0on site and via email! =C2=A0=C2=A0I fogur=
e=C2=A0the end result is always good to know!!
Dave G

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">That's a good one Justin, it=
's like the infamous MGB heater control valve, when the valve starts leakin=
g it drips directly onto the distributor &amp; kills the engine.</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">A design feature... I think not.</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I had a B in the shop once where the ow=
ner made a "deflector" to keep the water off of the cap...</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false=
">Glen Efinger<br></div><div><br></div>
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                        On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 08:41:55 PM EDT, J Wagne=
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ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">congrats on finding the culpri=
t=E2=80=A6</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
The funniest hard to find bug I ever had turned out to be a freak rust pinh=
ole in my heater return pipe=E2=80=A6 that was entirely self sealing at low=
 rpm and at high rpm it would only release a perfect little spray mist=E2=
=80=A6 right onto the distributor cap=E2=80=A6. &nbsp;ultimately causing th=
e car to quit=E2=80=A6 (but the moisture would dry so quickly that it wasn=
=E2=80=99t perceptible, not even leaving any sign of coolant)=E2=80=A6 The =
car wouldn=E2=80=99t start for a while, but then it would be fine!</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I only found it bec=
ause the car died on a dark road with only one source of light=E2=80=A6 in =
the odd lighting=E2=80=A6without a flashlight=E2=80=A6 i could see electric=
al charges swimming around my cap=E2=80=A6 &nbsp;and when I reached down an=
d revved the motor=E2=80=A6 I spotted the little misty stream out of the co=
rner of my eye! &nbsp;It was not visible in daylight!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94Justin&nbsp;</div><br c=
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ype=3D"cite">On May 17, 2024, at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM, David Gott via Fot &lt;fo=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquo=
te></div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"ydpb7a=
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7">=EF=BB=BF
Found the smoking gun for the odd situation: &nbsp;cam timing was off by A =
Lot. &nbsp; Luckily Harbor Freight&nbsp;nearby had a dial indicator. &nbsp;=
 Cam&nbsp;is now timed correctly; car seems to run great after moving the c=
rank 28 degrees. &nbsp;:-).&nbsp;<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Still w=
ondering if anyone has a similar cam and a preferred needle; this cam is ve=
ry close to the Kastner F cam but with a smidge more lift. &nbsp;(But, I kn=
ow: many variables). &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ll see how the RG needle currently ins=
talled does in the am (WET).&nbsp;</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>=
<br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Thanks again for the help; &nbsp;on site and =
via email! &nbsp;&nbsp;I fogure&nbsp;the end result is always good to know!=
!</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Dave G<br clear=3D"none"><br clea=
r=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydpb7a1f07cyiv8055174024yahoo-s=
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