Subject: Re: [Fot] 1959 TR3A Driver's Seat Recommendations

From: Brad Eells via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 09:59:48 -0600

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Mark,<div><br></div><div>I faced the same d=
ilemma. My Mk3 had a 16.5=E2=80=9D wide pan and a 17=E2=80=9D wide Kirkey to=
 fit.</div><div><br></div><div>My Chuck Gee approved modification was achiev=
ed with some =E2=80=9Cre-contouring=E2=80=9D of the inside pan lip with a 5 p=
ound engineering hammer.</div><div><br></div><div>A perfect fit was soon cre=
ated=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Brad Eells<div>Sent f=
rom my iPhone</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On M=
ar 20, 2024, at 8:38=E2=80=AFAM, Mark Fisher via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"l=
tr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydp2c072190yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family=
:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:18px;"><div id=3D"ydp2c07=
2190yiv7687092718"><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">
<br clear=3D"none">Just bought a Kirkey 38170.The challenge for guys like us=
 is to get a seat that is wide enough for our child bearing hips, while stil=
l fitting down into the channel in the pan on a Spitfire (Schr<span></span><=
span>=C3=B6</span>dinger's bucket?).&nbsp; I would have preferred a full con=
tainment seat, but there was simply no room with the original cage in place.=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false">While I am reasonably sure a 17" would fit you snugly, i=
f you have time, it would be worth trying on a 16" as it would fit in the ca=
r easier.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I am bringing a pair of Spitfires back into track=
 service after many dormant years.&nbsp; Be safe, have fun!</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"=
>Regards,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Mark "Silo" Fisher, builder of "Invincible II=
(a)"</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br clear=3D"none"><div cla=
ss=3D"ydp2c072190yiv7687092718yahoo-signature"><a shape=3D"rect" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12px;" href=3D"https://more.att.com/currently/imap" rel=3D"nofollow"=
 target=3D"_blank">Sent from AT&amp;T Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><br clear=3D"none">
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t5169138052"><p style=3D"font-size:15px;color:rgb(132, 115, 255);padding-top=
:15px;margin-top:0px;" class=3D"yiv7687092718yahoo-quoted-begin">On Wednesda=
y, March 20, 2024, 5:49 AM, yellow04 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrot=
e:</p><blockquote class=3D"yiv7687092718iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv7687092718">=
<div>
<p>Out east, it seems the budget friendly seats we see most are made by Kirk=
ey. There used to be a couple of models that worked well and looked OK in ou=
r cars, but 10 years ago when I bought the seat for my TR3 I found only one t=
hat fit the bill. I seem to remember it was the Series 38.</p>
<p><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"https://www.kirkeyracing.com/category/Series38/38-Series-Standard-10-=
to-20-Layback">https://www.kirkeyracing.com/category/Series38/38-Series-Stan=
dard-10-to-20-Layback</a>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Figure a little over $500 for the seat and cover from Summit Racing.</p>
<p>When choosing a seat, you want one that holds your butt and torso firmly w=
hen strapped in, and since you will be sharing the car with multiple drivers=
 that may turn out to be a compromise. The seats come in different widths, a=
nd it really helps to have both you and the son-in-law sit in the a couple t=
o verify the fit. Hopefully you will find one that is not too snug for one a=
nd not too loose for the other. If you run into trouble, remember you can al=
ways fabricate a foam insert (or just stuff some foam in the right places) t=
o take up excess room for the smaller of the two drivers.&nbsp;</p>
<p>The seat needs to be attached to some real structure under the car, I wel=
ded brackets off the frame to give me real steel to bolt to, same for the be=
lts. A pretty easy task on a TR3, the frame is pretty close to where the bol=
ts came through the floor on Old Blue. Just using big fender washers under t=
he sheet metal floor is not the best way to go, especially considering the 6=
0 year old sheet metal.</p>
<p>Good luck, and I hope you guys make it to the Kastner Cup!</p>
<p>Henry Frye</p>
<div id=3D"yiv7687092718yqtfd67550" class=3D"yiv7687092718yqt6348686874"><p i=
d=3D"yiv7687092718reply-intro">On 2024-03-20 01:47, Ken Hollar via Fot wrote=
:</p>
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olid;margin:0;">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Scrutineering suggested a new era seat vs the original stif=
f backed short TR3A seat.&nbsp; A highbacked seat with belts anchored loopin=
g around the roll bar.&nbsp; Suggested is an understatement.&nbsp;&nbsp;</di=
v>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">My son-in-law and I are both 6'1" and 230 lbs.&nbsp; He is c=
onfigured differently than I and 38 years younger.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Now the question of which seat?&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
</div>
</div>
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 13:04:39 -0400

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Anyone have any knowledge of cutting and lo=
wering the Spitfire floor pan to achieve more roll bar clearance / lower cen=
ter of gravity? This is common on race Miatas and I would think other more m=
odified SCCA prod class cars.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Jim&nbsp;<div><br><di=
v><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><block=
quote type=3D"cite">On Mar 20, 2024, at 12:43=E2=80=AFPM, Brad Eells via Fot=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" conte=
nt=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Mark,<div><br></div><div>I faced the same d=
ilemma. My Mk3 had a 16.5=E2=80=9D wide pan and a 17=E2=80=9D wide Kirkey to=
 fit.</div><div><br></div><div>My Chuck Gee approved modification was achiev=
ed with some =E2=80=9Cre-contouring=E2=80=9D of the inside pan lip with a 5 p=
ound engineering hammer.</div><div><br></div><div>A perfect fit was soon cre=
ated=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Brad Eells<div>Sent f=
rom my iPhone</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On M=
ar 20, 2024, at 8:38=E2=80=AFAM, Mark Fisher via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"l=
tr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydp2c072190yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family=
:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:18px;"><div id=3D"ydp2c07=
2190yiv7687092718"><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">
<br clear=3D"none">Just bought a Kirkey 38170.The challenge for guys like us=
 is to get a seat that is wide enough for our child bearing hips, while stil=
l fitting down into the channel in the pan on a Spitfire (Schr<span></span><=
span>=C3=B6</span>dinger's bucket?).&nbsp; I would have preferred a full con=
tainment seat, but there was simply no room with the original cage in place.=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false">While I am reasonably sure a 17" would fit you snugly, i=
f you have time, it would be worth trying on a 16" as it would fit in the ca=
r easier.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I am bringing a pair of Spitfires back into track=
 service after many dormant years.&nbsp; Be safe, have fun!</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"=
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From: Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 17:23:24 +0000 (UTC)

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The Kirkey seats are a fairly malleable aluminum so they take to being modi=
fied pretty well.=C2=A0

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 11:30 AM, Brad Eells via Fot <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:

Mark,
I faced the same dilemma. My Mk3 had a 16.5=E2=80=9D wide pan and a 17=E2=
=80=9D wide Kirkey to fit.
My Chuck Gee approved modification was achieved with some =E2=80=9Cre-conto=
uring=E2=80=9D of the inside pan lip with a 5 pound engineering hammer.
A perfect fit was soon created=E2=80=A6
Brad EellsSent from my iPhone

On Mar 20, 2024, at 8:38=E2=80=AFAM, Mark Fisher via Fot <[email-masked]=
t> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Just bought a Kirkey 38170.The challenge for guys like us is to get a seat =
that is wide enough for our child bearing hips, while still fitting down in=
to the channel in the pan on a Spitfire (Schr=C3=B6dinger's bucket?).=C2=A0=
 I would have preferred a full containment seat, but there was simply no ro=
om with the original cage in place.

While I am reasonably sure a 17" would fit you snugly, if you have time, it=
 would be worth trying on a 16" as it would fit in the car easier.
I am bringing a pair of Spitfires back into track service after many dorman=
t years.=C2=A0 Be safe, have fun!
Regards,

Mark "Silo" Fisher, builder of "Invincible II(a)"
Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 5:49 AM, yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]=
> wrote:

Out east, it seems the budget friendly seats we see most are made by Kirkey=
. There used to be a couple of models that worked well and looked OK in our=
 cars, but 10 years ago when I bought the seat for my TR3 I found only one =
that fit the bill. I seem to remember it was the Series 38.

https://www.kirkeyracing.com/category/Series38/38-Series-Standard-10-to-20-=
Layback=C2=A0

Figure a little over $500 for the seat and cover from Summit Racing.

When choosing a seat, you want one that holds your butt and torso firmly wh=
en strapped in, and since you will be sharing the car with multiple drivers=
 that may turn out to be a compromise. The seats come in different widths, =
and it really helps to have both you and the son-in-law sit in the a couple=
 to verify the fit. Hopefully you will find one that is not too snug for on=
e and not too loose for the other. If you run into trouble, remember you ca=
n always fabricate a foam insert (or just stuff some foam in the right plac=
es) to take up excess room for the smaller of the two drivers.=C2=A0

The seat needs to be attached to some real structure under the car, I welde=
d brackets off the frame to give me real steel to bolt to, same for the bel=
ts. A pretty easy task on a TR3, the frame is pretty close to where the bol=
ts came through the floor on Old Blue. Just using big fender washers under =
the sheet metal floor is not the best way to go, especially considering the=
 60 year old sheet metal.

Good luck, and I hope you guys make it to the Kastner Cup!

Henry Frye

On 2024-03-20 01:47, Ken Hollar via Fot wrote:

Scrutineering suggested a new era seat vs the original stiff backed short T=
R3A seat.=C2=A0 A highbacked seat with belts anchored looping around the ro=
ll bar.=C2=A0 Suggested is an understatement.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0My son-in-la=
w and I are both 6'1" and 230 lbs.=C2=A0 He is configured differently than =
I and 38 years younger.=C2=A0Now the question of which seat?=C2=A0=C2=A0
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The Kirkey seats are a fairly malleable aluminum so they take to being modi=
fied pretty well.&nbsp;<br><br><br><div class=3D"yahoo-signature"><a style=
=3D"font-size:12px" href=3D"https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=3Dnativep=
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e: 15px; color: rgb(132, 115, 255); padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0px;">On=
 Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 11:30 AM, Brad Eells via Fot &lt;[email-masked]=
.net&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv7893561037"=
><div>Mark,<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I faced the same dilemma. My =
Mk3 had a 16.5=E2=80=9D wide pan and a 17=E2=80=9D wide Kirkey to fit.</div=
><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>My Chuck Gee approved modification was =
achieved with some =E2=80=9Cre-contouring=E2=80=9D of the inside pan lip wi=
th a 5 pound engineering hammer.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>A =
perfect fit was soon created=E2=80=A6</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">Brad Eells<div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"yiv7893561037yqtfd13924" class=3D"yiv7893561037yqt33316=
56726"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 20, 2024, at 8:3=
8=E2=80=AFAM, Mark Fisher via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clea=
r=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div></div><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"yiv7893561037yqtfd38278" class=3D"yiv7893=
561037yqt3331656726">=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, ne=
w york, times, serif;font-size:18px;" class=3D"yiv7893561037ydp2c072190yaho=
o-style-wrap"><div id=3D"yiv7893561037ydp2c072190yiv7687092718"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">
<br clear=3D"none">Just bought a Kirkey 38170.The challenge for guys like u=
s is to get a seat that is wide enough for our child bearing hips, while st=
ill fitting down into the channel in the pan on a Spitfire (Schr<span></spa=
n><span>=C3=B6</span>dinger's bucket?).&nbsp; I would have preferred a full=
 containment seat, but there was simply no room with the original cage in p=
lace.<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">While I am reasonably sure a 17" would fit you snugly, if you=
 have time, it would be worth trying on a 16" as it would fit in the car ea=
sier.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I am =
bringing a pair of Spitfires back into track service after many dormant yea=
rs.&nbsp; Be safe, have fun!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mark "Silo" Fisher, builder of "Invincib=
le II(a)"</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv7893561=
037ydp2c072190yiv7687092718yahoo-signature"><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nor=
eferrer" shape=3D"rect" style=3D"font-size:12px;" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"https://more.att.com/currently/imap">Sent from AT&amp;T Yahoo Mail for iPh=
one</a><br clear=3D"none"></div><br clear=3D"none">
</div></div></div><div id=3D"yiv7893561037yqt83889" class=3D"yiv7893561037y=
qt5169138052"><p style=3D"font-size: 15px; color: rgb(123, 106, 246); paddi=
ng-top: 15px; margin-top: 0px;" class=3D"yiv7893561037yahoo-quoted-begin">O=
n Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 5:49 AM, yellow04 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]=
et&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"yiv7893561037iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv=
7893561037"><div>
<p>Out east, it seems the budget friendly seats we see most are made by Kir=
key. There used to be a couple of models that worked well and looked OK in =
our cars, but 10 years ago when I bought the seat for my TR3 I found only o=
ne that fit the bill. I seem to remember it was the Series 38.</p>
<p><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
 href=3D"https://www.kirkeyracing.com/category/Series38/38-Series-Standard-=
10-to-20-Layback">https://www.kirkeyracing.com/category/Series38/38-Series-=
Standard-10-to-20-Layback</a>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Figure a little over $500 for the seat and cover from Summit Racing.</p>
<p>When choosing a seat, you want one that holds your butt and torso firmly=
 when strapped in, and since you will be sharing the car with multiple driv=
ers that may turn out to be a compromise. The seats come in different width=
s, and it really helps to have both you and the son-in-law sit in the a cou=
ple to verify the fit. Hopefully you will find one that is not too snug for=
 one and not too loose for the other. If you run into trouble, remember you=
 can always fabricate a foam insert (or just stuff some foam in the right p=
laces) to take up excess room for the smaller of the two drivers.&nbsp;</p>
<p>The seat needs to be attached to some real structure under the car, I we=
lded brackets off the frame to give me real steel to bolt to, same for the =
belts. A pretty easy task on a TR3, the frame is pretty close to where the =
bolts came through the floor on Old Blue. Just using big fender washers und=
er the sheet metal floor is not the best way to go, especially considering =
the 60 year old sheet metal.</p>
<p>Good luck, and I hope you guys make it to the Kastner Cup!</p>
<p>Henry Frye</p>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Scrutineering suggested a new era seat vs the original sti=
ff backed short TR3A seat.&nbsp; A highbacked seat with belts anchored loop=
ing around the roll bar.&nbsp; Suggested is an understatement.&nbsp;&nbsp;<=
/div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">My son-in-law and I are both 6'1" and 230 lbs.&nbsp; He is=
 configured differently than I and 38 years younger.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Now the question of which seat?&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
</div>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Multiple SCCA National Champions, Steve Sar=
gis has done this.<div><br></div><div>Not sure in what time period that beca=
me permitted.</div><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Brad Eells<div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 20, 2024, at 11:23=E2=80=AFAM, Erik Jacobsen &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote ty=
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The Kirkey seats are a fairly malleable aluminum so they take to being modif=
ied pretty well.&nbsp;<br><br><br><div class=3D"yahoo-signature"><a style=3D=
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</a><br></div><br><p class=3D"yahoo-quoted-begin" style=3D"font-size: 15px; c=
olor: rgb(132, 115, 255); padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0px;">On Wednesday,=
 March 20, 2024, 11:30 AM, Brad Eells via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wro=
te:</p><blockquote class=3D"iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv7893561037"><div>Mark,<d=
iv><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I faced the same dilemma. My Mk3 had a 16.5=
=E2=80=9D wide pan and a 17=E2=80=9D wide Kirkey to fit.</div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div>My Chuck Gee approved modification was achieved with so=
me =E2=80=9Cre-contouring=E2=80=9D of the inside pan lip with a 5 pound engi=
neering hammer.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>A perfect fit was so=
on created=E2=80=A6</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>Brad Eells<div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"y=
iv7893561037yqtfd13924" class=3D"yiv7893561037yqt3331656726"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 20, 2024, at 8:38=E2=80=AFAM, Mark Fish=
er via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"=
none"></blockquote></div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv id=3D"yiv7893561037yqtfd38278" class=3D"yiv7893561037yqt3331656726">=EF=BB=
=BF<div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-si=
ze:18px;" class=3D"yiv7893561037ydp2c072190yahoo-style-wrap"><div id=3D"yiv7=
893561037ydp2c072190yiv7687092718"><div dir=3D"ltr">
<br clear=3D"none">Just bought a Kirkey 38170.The challenge for guys like us=
 is to get a seat that is wide enough for our child bearing hips, while stil=
l fitting down into the channel in the pan on a Spitfire (Schr<span></span><=
span>=C3=B6</span>dinger's bucket?).&nbsp; I would have preferred a full con=
tainment seat, but there was simply no room with the original cage in place.=
<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">While I am reasonably sure a 17" would fit you snugly, if you have tim=
e, it would be worth trying on a 16" as it would fit in the car easier.</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I am bringing a p=
air of Spitfires back into track service after many dormant years.&nbsp; Be s=
afe, have fun!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Regards,<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">Mark "Silo" Fisher, builder of "Invincible II(a)"</div><d=
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687092718yahoo-signature"><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
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ednesday, March 20, 2024, 5:49 AM, yellow04 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t; wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"yiv7893561037iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv78935=
61037"><div>
<p>Out east, it seems the budget friendly seats we see most are made by Kirk=
ey. There used to be a couple of models that worked well and looked OK in ou=
r cars, but 10 years ago when I bought the seat for my TR3 I found only one t=
hat fit the bill. I seem to remember it was the Series 38.</p>
<p><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"https://www.kirkeyracing.com/category/Series38/38-Series-Standard-10-=
to-20-Layback">https://www.kirkeyracing.com/category/Series38/38-Series-Stan=
dard-10-to-20-Layback</a>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Figure a little over $500 for the seat and cover from Summit Racing.</p>
<p>When choosing a seat, you want one that holds your butt and torso firmly w=
hen strapped in, and since you will be sharing the car with multiple drivers=
 that may turn out to be a compromise. The seats come in different widths, a=
nd it really helps to have both you and the son-in-law sit in the a couple t=
o verify the fit. Hopefully you will find one that is not too snug for one a=
nd not too loose for the other. If you run into trouble, remember you can al=
ways fabricate a foam insert (or just stuff some foam in the right places) t=
o take up excess room for the smaller of the two drivers.&nbsp;</p>
<p>The seat needs to be attached to some real structure under the car, I wel=
ded brackets off the frame to give me real steel to bolt to, same for the be=
lts. A pretty easy task on a TR3, the frame is pretty close to where the bol=
ts came through the floor on Old Blue. Just using big fender washers under t=
he sheet metal floor is not the best way to go, especially considering the 6=
0 year old sheet metal.</p>
<p>Good luck, and I hope you guys make it to the Kastner Cup!</p>
<p>Henry Frye</p>
<div id=3D"yiv7893561037yqtfd67550" class=3D"yiv7893561037yqt6348686874"><p i=
d=3D"yiv7893561037reply-intro">On 2024-03-20 01:47, Ken Hollar via Fot wrote=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Scrutineering suggested a new era seat vs the original stif=
f backed short TR3A seat.&nbsp; A highbacked seat with belts anchored loopin=
g around the roll bar.&nbsp; Suggested is an understatement.&nbsp;&nbsp;</di=
v>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">My son-in-law and I are both 6'1" and 230 lbs.&nbsp; He is c=
onfigured differently than I and 38 years younger.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Now the question of which seat?&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
</div>
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Yes. I wanted to get closer to the peddles, but extend my arm reach, so I c=
ut the seat where the lap belts pass and reclined the back more.  I also sq=
ueezed the back rest to fit closer.  I created a perfect seating position f=
or myself.  I made mounting attachments, but a wrench is needed to move the=
 seat for and aft and tilt/recline. =20
Dave H.

> On 03/20/2024 10:23 AM PDT Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
> =20
> =20
> The Kirkey seats are a fairly malleable aluminum so they take to being mo=
dified pretty well.=20
>=20
>=20
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=3Dn=
ativeplacement&c=3DGlobal_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_=
sub1=3DAcquisition&af_sub2=3DGlobal_YMktg&af_sub3=3D&af_sub4=3D100000604&af=
_sub5=3DEmailSignature__Static_
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 11:30 AM, Brad Eells via Fot <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:
>=20
> > Mark,
> > =20
> > I faced the same dilemma. My Mk3 had a 16.5=E2=80=9D wide pan and a 17=
=E2=80=9D wide Kirkey to fit.
> > =20
> > My Chuck Gee approved modification was achieved with some =E2=80=9Cre-c=
ontouring=E2=80=9D of the inside pan lip with a 5 pound engineering hammer.
> > =20
> > =20
> >=20
> >=20
> > > On Mar 20, 2024, at 8:38=E2=80=AFAM, Mark Fisher via Fot <[email-masked]=
eam.net> wrote:
> > >=20
> > >=20
> >=20
> > >=20
> > > Just bought a Kirkey 38170.The challenge for guys like us is to get a=
 seat that is wide enough for our child bearing hips, while still fitting d=
own into the channel in the pan on a Spitfire (Schr=C3=B6dinger's bucket?).=
  I would have preferred a full containment seat, but there was simply no r=
oom with the original cage in place.
> > > =20
> > > While I am reasonably sure a 17" would fit you snugly, if you have ti=
me, it would be worth trying on a 16" as it would fit in the car easier.
> > > =20
> > > I am bringing a pair of Spitfires back into track service after many =
dormant years.  Be safe, have fun!
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone https://more.att.com/currently/i=
map
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > On Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 5:49 AM, yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]=
am.net> wrote:
> > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Out east, it seems the budget friendly seats we see most are made b=
y Kirkey. There used to be a couple of models that worked well and looked O=
K in our cars, but 10 years ago when I bought the seat for my TR3 I found o=
nly one that fit the bill. I seem to remember it was the Series 38.
> > > >=20
> > > > https://www.kirkeyracing.com/category/Series38/38-Series-Standard-1=
0-to-20-Layback=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Figure a little over $500 for the seat and cover from Summit Racing=
.
> > > >=20
> > > > When choosing a seat, you want one that holds your butt and torso f=
irmly when strapped in, and since you will be sharing the car with multiple=
 drivers that may turn out to be a compromise. The seats come in different =
widths, and it really helps to have both you and the son-in-law sit in the =
a couple to verify the fit. Hopefully you will find one that is not too snu=
g for one and not too loose for the other. If you run into trouble, remembe=
r you can always fabricate a foam insert (or just stuff some foam in the ri=
ght places) to take up excess room for the smaller of the two drivers.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > The seat needs to be attached to some real structure under the car,=
 I welded brackets off the frame to give me real steel to bolt to, same for=
 the belts. A pretty easy task on a TR3, the frame is pretty close to where=
 the bolts came through the floor on Old Blue. Just using big fender washer=
s under the sheet metal floor is not the best way to go, especially conside=
ring the 60 year old sheet metal.
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > > Scrutineering suggested a new era seat vs the original stiff back=
ed short TR3A seat.  A highbacked seat with belts anchored looping around t=
he roll bar.  Suggested is an understatement. =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > My son-in-law and I are both 6'1" and 230 lbs.  He is configured =
differently than I and 38 years younger.
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Now the question of which seat? =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
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self.&nbsp; I made mounting attachments, but a wrench is needed to move the=
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             <br clear=3D"none">Just bought a Kirkey 38170.The challenge fo=
r guys like us is to get a seat that is wide enough for our child bearing h=
ips, while still fitting down into the channel in the pan on a Spitfire (Sc=
hr=C3=B6dinger's bucket?).&nbsp; I would have preferred a full containment =
seat, but there was simply no room with the original cage in place.
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r many dormant years.&nbsp; Be safe, have fun!
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              <p>Out east, it seems the budget friendly seats we see most a=
re made by Kirkey. There used to be a couple of models that worked well and=
 looked OK in our cars, but 10 years ago when I bought the seat for my TR3 =
I found only one that fit the bill. I seem to remember it was the Series 38=
.</p>=20
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38-Series-Standard-10-to-20-Layback" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener" sha=
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it Racing.</p>=20
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d torso firmly when strapped in, and since you will be sharing the car with=
 multiple drivers that may turn out to be a compromise. The seats come in d=
ifferent widths, and it really helps to have both you and the son-in-law si=
t in the a couple to verify the fit. Hopefully you will find one that is no=
t too snug for one and not too loose for the other. If you run into trouble=
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in the right places) to take up excess room for the smaller of the two driv=
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 the car, I welded brackets off the frame to give me real steel to bolt to,=
 same for the belts. A pretty easy task on a TR3, the frame is pretty close=
 to where the bolts came through the floor on Old Blue. Just using big fend=
er washers under the sheet metal floor is not the best way to go, especiall=
y considering the 60 year old sheet metal.</p>=20
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oping around the roll bar.&nbsp; Suggested is an understatement.&nbsp;&nbsp=
;
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                   My son-in-law and I are both 6'1" and 230 lbs.&nbsp; He =
is configured differently than I and 38 years younger.
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Ken,

I have a discontinued Kirkey seat, (part # PT-41300V) with cover that has n=
ever been mounted - I bought it years ago to make a '62 MGB compliant with =
CSRG's rules regarding needing a passenger seat at the time. That car was s=
old before the seat was to be installed. It's not the high-backed seat and =
it doesn't have the holes cut it the top of the seat for shoulder harness's=
. It sort of matches the seat in my Group 1 '62 Spitfire where the shoulder=
 straps are fastened=C2=A0to the roll-bar and come over the top of the raci=
ng seat.It is 15" wide. I'm 5'9" and weigh 175 lbs. and there is room to sp=
are for me -=C2=A0 Kirkey wants $256. now just for the cover - I'll sell se=
at and cover for $75. Unfortunately I no longer have the box that it was sh=
ipped in.=C2=A0=C2=A0I live about 20 miles north of Sonoma Raceway, if you =
were planning on going to the K-cup, I could hand deliver it to you . . .Sc=
ott Meredith=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [email-masked](photo's at the bottom)

COVER - 41301V BLACK VINYL - FITS 41300V - Kirkey Racing Seats

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=3D"false" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">I have a discontinued Kirkey seat, (p=
art # PT-41300V) with cover that has never been mounted - I bought it years=
 ago to make a '62 MGB compliant with CSRG's rules regarding needing a pass=
enger seat at the time. That car was sold before the seat was to be install=
ed. It's not the high-backed seat and it doesn't have the holes cut it the =
top of the seat for shoulder harness's. It sort of matches the seat in my <=
i>Group 1</i> '62 Spitfire where the shoulder straps are fastened&nbsp;to t=
he roll-bar and come over the top of the racing seat.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
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and weigh 175 lbs. and there is room to spare for me -&nbsp; Kirkey wants $=
256. now <u>just</u> for the cover - I'll sell seat and cover for $75. Unfo=
rtunately I no longer have the box that it was shipped in.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div=
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                <div id=3D"ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618yqt63875" class=3D"ydp25=
3c3d01yiv0878373618yqt3979267040"><div>----- Forwarded Message -----</div>
                <div><b>From:</b> Brad Eells via Fot &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;</div><div><b>To:</b> Mark Fisher &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</div><=
div><b>Cc:</b> "[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</div><div><b=
>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 09:29:18 AM PDT</div><div><b>Subjec=
t:</b> Re: [Fot] 1959 TR3A Driver's Seat Recommendations</div><div><br></di=
v><div><div id=3D"ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293"><div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293yqt=
fd53469" class=3D"ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293yqt4564095=
539"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Mar 20, 2024, at 8:38=E2=80=AFAM, Mark Fi=
sher via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</blockquote><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><span style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, ser=
if; font-size: 18px;">Just bought a Kirkey 38170.The challenge for guys lik=
e us is to get a seat that is wide enough for our child bearing hips, while=
 still fitting down into the channel in the pan on a Spitfire (Schr</span><=
span style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-si=
ze: 18px;"></span><span style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, ti=
mes, serif; font-size: 18px;">=C3=B6</span><span style=3D"font-family: time=
s new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 18px;">dinger's bucket?).&n=
bsp; I would have preferred a full containment seat, but there was simply n=
o room with the original cage in place.</span><br clear=3D"none"></blockquo=
te></div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"ydp253=
c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293yqtfd12733" class=3D"ydp253c3d01yi=
v0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293yqt4564095539"><div style=3D"font-family:=
times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:18px;" class=3D"ydp253c3d=
01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293ydp2c072190yahoo-style-wrap"><div id=
=3D"ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293ydp2c072190yiv7687092718=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D=
"color: rgb(132, 115, 255); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, =
sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">On Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 5:49 AM, yellow=
04 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</span><br></div></div></div><d=
iv id=3D"ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293yqt83889" class=3D"=
ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293yqt5169138052"><blockquote c=
lass=3D"ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293iosymail"><div id=3D=
"ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293">
<p>Out east, it seems the budget friendly seats we see most are made by Kir=
key. There used to be a couple of models that worked well and looked OK in =
our cars, but 10 years ago when I bought the seat for my TR3 I found only o=
ne that fit the bill. I seem to remember it was the Series 38.</p>
<p><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.kirkeyracing.com/category/Series38=
/38-Series-Standard-10-to-20-Layback" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oopener">https://www.kirkeyracing.com/category/Series38/38-Series-Standard-=
10-to-20-Layback</a>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Figure a little over $500 for the seat and cover from Summit Racing.</p>
<p><br></p>
<div id=3D"ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293yqtfd67550" class=
=3D"ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293yqt6348686874"><p id=3D"=
ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293reply-intro">On 2024-03-20 0=
1:47, Ken Hollar via Fot wrote:</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding:0 0.4em;border-left:#1010ff 2px =
solid;margin:0;">
<div id=3D"ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293replybody1">
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font=
-size:13px;" class=3D"ydp253c3d01yiv0878373618ydpb153af5yiv1617392293v1yaho=
o-style-wrap">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Scrutineering suggested a new era seat vs the original sti=
ff backed short TR3A seat.&nbsp; A highbacked seat with belts anchored loop=
ing around the roll bar.&nbsp; Suggested is an understatement.&nbsp;&nbsp;<=
/div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">My son-in-law and I are both 6'1" and 230 lbs.&nbsp; He is=
 configured differently than I and 38 years younger.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Now the question of which seat?&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
</div>
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ear=3D"none"><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></=
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