Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar

From: Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 18:40:25 +0000 (UTC)

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 Hi,
Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas le=
aks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam wh=
ich effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to r=
eplace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.

For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your =
shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of p=
roblems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damag=
e running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless yo=
u can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod end=
s, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.
So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimpo=
rt.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable a=
nd you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing=
 up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspen=
sion and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables =
for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid =
of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely dif=
ferently.
Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. Yo=
u can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.

Regards,Bob Lang

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <f=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
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Quick question (maybe?).=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am replacing the existing Koni front=
 adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).=C2=A0 Bushings are worn out as likely are =
the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =E2=80=9969 TR6=
 racecar.=C2=A0 I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.=C2=A0=20

 =C2=A0

Any preference?=C2=A0 Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adju=
ster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s every tim=
e I need to adjust the suspension.

 =C2=A0

Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be replaci=
ng all the front/rear suspension bushings.=C2=A0 Have purchased Nylatron bu=
shings.=C2=A0 Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.

 =C2=A0

Thanks,

 =C2=A0

Mark Cook
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
ta-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Go wit=
h the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks ou=
t and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which ef=
fects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace=
 the Spax every two years, plus or minus.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-se=
tdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">For the rea=
rs, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to y=
our roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems wit=
h the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running w=
ith those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verif=
y the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will g=
uarantee frame structural failure over time.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-set=
dir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">So - get a s=
et of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worl=
dwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get b=
oth a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your fra=
me. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and bre=
ak the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long t=
ime and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear =
squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false">Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same=
 as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setd=
ir=3D"false">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<=
br></div><div><br></div>
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                    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark=
 Cook via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697=
143MsoNormal">Quick question (maybe?).&nbsp; &nbsp;I am replacing the exist=
ing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).&nbsp; Bushings are worn out =
as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =
=E2=80=9969 TR6 racecar.&nbsp; I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and M=
CS.&nbsp; </p><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p =
class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal">Any preference?&nbsp; Spax and =
Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to h=
aving to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s every time I need to adjust the suspensi=
on.</p><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=
=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal">Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in the=
re=E2=80=9D approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bus=
hings.&nbsp; Have purchased Nylatron bushings.&nbsp; Cannot find Delrin pro=
ducts for TR6.</p><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p=
><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal">Thanks,</p><p class=3D"ydp5=
18536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697=
143MsoNormal">Mark Cook</p></div></div></div>______________________________=
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From: mark via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:12:56 +0000 (UTC)

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Delrin is Dupont's trade name for Polyacetel homopolymer resin which is low=
 friction material and has a "slippery" feel to it. I have a Aluminum/Delri=
n bushing set up in one of my cars,=C2=A0a Delrin sleeve is fit between the=
 aluminum bushing ID and the bolt=C2=A0OD, the supplier recommended use of =
grease between the surfaces.
Nylotron is a Polyamide 6 or 6/6 resin ("Nylon" is Dupont's trade name for =
Polyamide) which has molybdenum disulfide powder mixed into the resin when =
extruded/cast/molded and is supposed to allow use without lubrication.
I cannot vouch for which material would be the better to use as I've not en=
ough experience with either.
Best Regards,
Mark Snay=C2=A0=C2=A0=20

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 02:07:32 PM EST, Robert Lang via Fot =
<[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
  Hi,
Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas le=
aks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam wh=
ich effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to r=
eplace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.

Regards,Bob Lang

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Thanks,

 =C2=A0

Mark Cook

com

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rif;"><div style=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica,=
 Arial, sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Delrin is Dupont's t=
rade name for Polyacetel homopolymer resin which is low friction material a=
nd has a "slippery" feel to it. I have a Aluminum/Delrin bushing set up in =
one of my cars,&nbsp;<span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">a Delrin sleeve is fit betw=
een the aluminum bushing ID and the bolt</span></span>&nbsp;OD, the supplie=
r recommended use of grease between the surfaces.</div><div style=3D"font-f=
amily: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr" data-setd=
ir=3D"false"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica=
, Arial, sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Nylotron is a Polya=
mide 6 or 6/6 resin ("Nylon" is Dupont's trade name for Polyamide) which ha=
s molybdenum disulfide powder mixed into the resin when extruded/cast/molde=
d and is supposed to allow use without lubrication.</div><div style=3D"font=
-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr" data-se=
tdir=3D"false"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helveti=
ca, Arial, sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I cannot vouch fo=
r which material would be the better to use as I've not enough experience w=
ith either.</div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Aria=
l, sans-serif;"><br></div><div class=3D"ydp55d9eac9signature" style=3D""><d=
iv style=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-str=
etch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal;"><div style=3D"color: b=
lack; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-s=
ize: 10pt; line-height: normal;"><div style=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetic=
a, sans-serif; color: black; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-=
stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal;"><font face=3D"Helve=
tica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Best Regards,</font></div><div sty=
le=3D"font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black; font-style: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-he=
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nt face=3D"Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style=3D"font-fami=
ly: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Mark Snay</font><div style=3D"">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;</div></div></div></div></div></div>
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                    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 02:07:32 PM EST, Robe=
rt Lang via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739"><div><div style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px=
;" class=3D"ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp7e5ccdf3yahoo-style-wrap"><div></div=
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work we=
ll, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas=
, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a ses=
sion. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.<br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your =
shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of p=
roblems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damag=
e running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless yo=
u can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod end=
s, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">So - get a set of stock Armstr=
ong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in=
 Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, re=
liable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do =
stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but =
I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work =
great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tro=
mp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Delrin is a trademark, I believ=
e - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the =
durometer ratings.<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Lang<br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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                    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark=
 Cook via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d1yiv38046=
97143"><div><div class=3D"ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143W=
ordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143Ms=
oNormal">Quick question (maybe?).&nbsp; &nbsp;I am replacing the existing K=
oni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).&nbsp; Bushings are worn out as li=
kely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =E2=80=
=9969 TR6 racecar.&nbsp; I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.&nb=
sp; </p><p class=3D"ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNorm=
al"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143=
MsoNormal">Any preference?&nbsp; Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the ex=
ternal adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni=E2=80=99=
s every time I need to adjust the suspension.</p><p class=3D"ydp63f3fb5cyiv=
8640905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp63f3=
fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal">Using the =E2=80=9Cwhil=
e I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear s=
uspension bushings.&nbsp; Have purchased Nylatron bushings.&nbsp; Cannot fi=
nd Delrin products for TR6.</p><p class=3D"ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp51853=
6d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739y=
dp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal">Thanks,</p><p class=3D"ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640=
905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp63f3fb5c=
yiv8640905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal">Mark Cook</p></div></div></=
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From: Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 20:29:56 +0000 (UTC)

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 Full disclosure - I use Nylatron for all my bushings except the upper cont=
rol arms are heims joints (and adjustable). The upper a-arm bushings really=
 get beat and the metal is "just better".
I'm TR6 all the way.
c ya,rml

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 03:13:19 PM EST, mark <[email-masked]=
om> wrote: =20
=20
 Delrin is Dupont's trade name for Polyacetel homopolymer resin which is lo=
w friction material and has a "slippery" feel to it. I have a Aluminum/Delr=
in bushing set up in one of my cars,=C2=A0a Delrin sleeve is fit between th=
e aluminum bushing ID and the bolt=C2=A0OD, the supplier recommended use of=
 grease between the surfaces.
Nylotron is a Polyamide 6 or 6/6 resin ("Nylon" is Dupont's trade name for =
Polyamide) which has molybdenum disulfide powder mixed into the resin when =
extruded/cast/molded and is supposed to allow use without lubrication.
I cannot vouch for which material would be the better to use as I've not en=
ough experience with either.
Best Regards,
Mark Snay=C2=A0=C2=A0=20

Regards,Bob Lang

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Full disclosure - I use Nyla=
tron for all my bushings except the upper control arms are heims joints (an=
d adjustable). The upper a-arm bushings really get beat and the metal is "j=
ust better".</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I'm TR6 all the way.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">c ya,=
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                    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 03:13:19 PM EST, mark=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydpa18ac17dyiv4782431656"><div><div style=
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;" class=3D"ydpa18ac17dyiv4782431656ydp55d9eac9yahoo-style-wrap"><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-ser=
if;">Delrin is Dupont's trade name for Polyacetel homopolymer resin which i=
s low friction material and has a "slippery" feel to it. I have a Aluminum/=
Delrin bushing set up in one of my cars,&nbsp;<span><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">a Del=
rin sleeve is fit between the aluminum bushing ID and the bolt</span></span=
>&nbsp;OD, the supplier recommended use of grease between the surfaces.</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:=
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Nylotron is a Polyamide 6 or=
 6/6 resin ("Nylon" is Dupont's trade name for Polyamide) which has molybde=
num disulfide powder mixed into the resin when extruded/cast/molded and is =
supposed to allow use without lubrication.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"f=
ont-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br clear=3D"none=
"></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Ar=
ial, sans-serif;">I cannot vouch for which material would be the better to =
use as I've not enough experience with either.</div><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div class=3D"ydpa18ac17dyiv4782431656ydp55d9eac9signature"><div style=3D"c=
olor:black;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-si=
ze:10pt;line-height:normal;"><div style=3D"color:black;font-style:normal;fo=
nt-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;"><d=
iv style=3D"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;color:black;font-style=
:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:n=
ormal;"><font face=3D"Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Best Re=
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eight:normal;"><font style=3D"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;" fa=
ce=3D"Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Mark Snay</font><div>&n=
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                    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 02:07:32 PM EST, Robe=
rt Lang via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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        <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div=
ll, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas=
, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a ses=
sion. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.<br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your =
shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of p=
roblems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damag=
e running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless yo=
u can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod end=
s, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">So - get a set of stock Armstr=
ong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in=
 Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, re=
liable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do =
stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but =
I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work =
great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tro=
mp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Delrin is a trademark, I believ=
e - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the =
durometer ratings.<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Lang<br clear=
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                    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark=
 Cook via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydpa18ac17dyiv4782431656ydp63f3fb5cyiv86409=
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dp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143WordSection1"><p class=3D"yd=
pa18ac17dyiv4782431656ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNo=
rmal">Quick question (maybe?).&nbsp; &nbsp;I am replacing the existing Koni=
 front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).&nbsp; Bushings are worn out as likel=
y are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =E2=80=99=
69 TR6 racecar.&nbsp; I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.&nbsp;=
 </p><p class=3D"ydpa18ac17dyiv4782431656ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d=
1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydpa18ac17dyiv4782431656ydp=
63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal">Any preference?&nbs=
p; Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing c=
ompared to having to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s every time I need to adjust =
the suspension.</p><p class=3D"ydpa18ac17dyiv4782431656ydp63f3fb5cyiv864090=
5739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydpa18ac17dyi=
v4782431656ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal">Using=
 the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be replacing al=
l the front/rear suspension bushings.&nbsp; Have purchased Nylatron bushing=
s.&nbsp; Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.</p><p class=3D"ydpa18ac17dyiv=
4782431656ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp=
;</p><p class=3D"ydpa18ac17dyiv4782431656ydp63f3fb5cyiv8640905739ydp518536d=
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From: Charly Mitchel via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 12:47:09 -0800

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I've used the GAZ shocks for my TR6 on the front and have been very happy
with them, and they're adjustable with out removing

https://bpnorthwest.com/triumph/shock-absorber-set-front-gaz-tr4a-tr6/

On the rear, because of the rules of my racing organization, we weren't
allowed  to change the style of the shocks, so I sent mine to WorldWide Auto
parts 

https://www.nosimport.com/Lever-shocks-remanufactured 

and had them add the adjustable valve to them.  If I remember correctly,
you'll have to call them for information, they don't list it on the website.

Also check that your axels don't bottom out, I had one bottom out on me
(broken rear bump stop) and it broke the u-joint and sent the axel twirling
around underneath and took out my fuel line.

Charly Mitchel 

TR6 #44 (now for sale)

https://www.classic-racing.fr/annonce/triumph-tr6-preparee-circuit/?utm_sour
ce=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Classic+Racing+Newsletters

From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Mark Cook via Fot
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 10:13 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar

Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front adjustable
shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same
with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my '69 TR6 racecar.  I am more
familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.  

Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster
is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni's every time I need to
adjust the suspension.

Using the "while I am in there" approach, I will be replacing all the
front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased Nylatron bushings.  Cannot
find Delrin products for TR6.

Thanks,

Mark Cook

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I&#8217;ve used the GAZ shocks =
for my TR6 on the front and have been very happy with them, and =
they&#8217;re adjustable with out removing<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://bpnorthwest.com/triumph/shock-absorber-set-front-gaz-tr4a=
-tr6/">https://bpnorthwest.com/triumph/shock-absorber-set-front-gaz-tr4a-=
tr6/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>On the rear, because of the =
rules of my racing organization, we weren&#8217;t allowed&nbsp; to =
change the style of the shocks, so I sent mine to WorldWide Auto parts =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.nosimport.com/Lever-shocks-remanufactured">https://ww=
w.nosimport.com/Lever-shocks-remanufactured</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>and had them add the adjustable valve to them.&nbsp; =
If I remember correctly, you&#8217;ll have to call them for information, =
they don&#8217;t list it on the website.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Also check that your axels don&#8217;t bottom out, I =
had one bottom out on me (broken rear bump stop) and it broke the =
u-joint and sent the axel twirling around underneath and took out my =
fuel line.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Charly Mitchel =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>TR6 #44 (now for =
sale)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>https://www.classic-racing.fr/annonce/triumph-tr6-prepa=
ree-circuit/?utm_source=3Dmailpoet&amp;utm_medium=3Demail&amp;utm_campaig=
n=3DClassic+Racing+Newsletters<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Fot =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Cook via =
Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 31, 2024 10:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 =
racecar<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Quick =
question (maybe?).&nbsp; &nbsp;I am replacing the existing Koni front =
adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).&nbsp; Bushings are worn out as likely =
are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =
&#8217;69 TR6 racecar.&nbsp; I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and =
MCS.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Any preference?&nbsp; Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, =
but the external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the =
Koni&#8217;s every time I need to adjust the =
suspension.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Using the &#8220;while I am in there&#8221; approach, =
I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.&nbsp; Have =
purchased Nylatron bushings.&nbsp; Cannot find Delrin products for =
TR6.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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From: Mark Cook via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 16:38:59 -0500

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Bob and Charly,

=20

Thanks =E2=80=93 It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage =
with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks.  Not =
a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks.  So, with =
your and Charly=E2=80=99s comments, will likely refit with adjustable =
lever shocks for the rear.

=20

Appreciate both your and Mark S=E2=80=99s comments on Delrin/Nylatron =
which is also helpful.  =20

=20

Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.  Will not be driving, but will be =
up to watch.

=20

Thanks you,

=20

Mark

=20

From: Robert Lang [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 PM
To: [email-masked]; Mark Cook
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar

=20

Hi,

=20

Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas =
leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can =
foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or =
plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.

=20

For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie =
your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a =
lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk =
frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, =
but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the =
shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over =
time.

=20

So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get =
nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as =
adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work =
without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and =
bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the =
Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little =
tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes =
the car handle completely differently.

=20

Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. =
You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.

=20

Regards,

Bob Lang

=20

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot =
<[email-masked]> wrote:=20

=20

=20

Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front =
adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are the =
shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =E2=80=9969 TR6 =
racecar.  I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS. =20

=20

Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external =
adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s =
every time I need to adjust the suspension.

=20

Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be =
replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased =
Nylatron bushings.  Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.

=20

Thanks,

=20

Mark Cook

Archive: http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot
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D'>Bob and Charly,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks =E2=80=93 It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage =
with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks.=C2=A0 =
Not a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks.=C2=A0 =
So, with your and Charly=E2=80=99s comments, will likely refit with =
adjustable lever shocks for the rear.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Appreciate both your and Mark S=E2=80=99s comments on Delrin/Nylatron =
which is also helpful.=C2=A0 =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.=C2=A0 Will not be driving, but =
will be up to watch.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks you,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Robert Lang [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, =
January 31, 2024 1:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; Mark =
Cook<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 =
racecar<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Hi,<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Go with =
the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks =
out and they become &quot;just shocks&quot; and without the gas, they =
can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a =
session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or =
minus.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>For the =
rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your =
shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot =
of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk =
frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, =
but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the =
shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over =
time.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>So - get =
a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com =
(worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and =
you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing =
up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the =
suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong =
adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, =
you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car =
handle completely differently.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Delrin =
is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You =
can verify by looking at the durometer =
ratings.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Regards,<=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Bob =
Lang<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydp518536d1yahoo_quoted_6902120541"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via =
Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143><div><div><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Quick question (maybe?).&nbsp; &nbsp;I am replacing the existing =
Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).&nbsp; Bushings are worn out =
as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on =
my =E2=80=9969 TR6 racecar.&nbsp; I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni =
and MCS.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Any preference?&nbsp; Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the =
external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the =
Koni=E2=80=99s every time I need to adjust the =
suspension.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be =
replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings.&nbsp; Have purchased =
Nylatron bushings.&nbsp; Cannot find Delrin products for =
TR6.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
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You guys just don=E2=80=99t squeeze the rulebook hard enough. If your =
roll cage is =E2=80=9Cbraced=E2=80=9D by extending from near the top of =
the cage to the rear spring mount or thereabout, you have an ideal place =
to mount a shock that doesn=E2=80=99t depend on a spindly frame. Also =
makes said spindly frame a lot less spindly.

Bill Babcock
Beach Bum
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> On Jan 31, 2024, at 11:38 AM, Mark Cook via Fot <[email-masked]> =
> =20
> Hope to see you at VIR in March/April.  Will not be driving, but will =
be up to watch.
> =20
> Thanks you,
> =20
> Mark
> =20
> From: Robert Lang [mailto:[email-masked] =
> Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the =
gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they =
can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a =
session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.
> So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get =
nosimport.com <http://nosimport.com/> (worldwide autoparts in Madison, =
WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable =
setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do =
stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, =
but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and =
they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat =
when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.
> =20
> Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as =
Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.
> http://www.fot-racing.com <http://www.fot-racing.com/>
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cage to the rear spring mount or thereabout, you have an ideal place to =
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said spindly frame a lot less spindly.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
<div><b class=3D"">Bill Babcock</b><br class=3D""><i class=3D"">Beach =
Bum</i><br class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D"">https://www.Ponostyle.com<br class=3D""></div>

</div>
<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jan 31, 2024, at 11:38 AM, Mark Cook via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; =
font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Bob and Charly,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Thanks =E2=80=93 It =
crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage with the tube shock =
bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks.&nbsp; Not a lot of =
support there compared to the original lever shocks.&nbsp; So, with your =
and Charly=E2=80=99s comments, will likely refit with adjustable lever =
shocks for the rear.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Appreciate both your and Mark S=E2=80=99s comments on =
Delrin/Nylatron which is also helpful.&nbsp; &nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hope to see you at VIR =
in March/April.&nbsp; Will not be driving, but will be up to watch.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Thanks you,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Mark<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Robert Lang [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, January 31, 2024 =
1:40 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>; Mark =
Cook<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs =
Spax - TR6 racecar<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hi,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Go with the Koni =
shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks out and =
they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which =
effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to =
replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">For the rears, =
unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to =
your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems =
with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage =
running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless =
you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via =
rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">So - get a set of =
stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://nosimport.com/" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">nosimport.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>(worldwide autoparts in =
Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, =
reliable setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless =
you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the =
frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time =
and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear =
squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely =
differently.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Delrin is a =
trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. You can =
verify by looking at the durometer ratings.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Regards,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Bob Lang<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydp518536d1yahoo_quoted_6902120541" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 =
PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
id=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal" =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">Quick question (maybe?).&nbsp; &nbsp;I am =
replacing the existing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).&nbsp; =
Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear =
adjustable SPAX shocks on my =E2=80=9969 TR6 racecar.&nbsp; I am more =
familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"=
 style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">Any =
preference?&nbsp; Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external =
adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s =
every time I need to adjust the suspension.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"=
 style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">Using the =
=E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be replacing all =
the front/rear suspension bushings.&nbsp; Have purchased Nylatron =
bushings.&nbsp; Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"=
 style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">Thanks,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"=
 style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p><p =
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From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:09:30 -0800 (PST)

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Attached is a photo of the adjustable Armstrong shock on my TR3.

> On 01/31/2024 1:38 PM PST Mark Cook via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Bob and Charly,
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> Thanks =E2=80=93 It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage wit=
h the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks.  Not a lot =
of support there compared to the original lever shocks.  So, with your and =
Charly=E2=80=99s comments, will likely refit with adjustable lever shocks f=
or the rear.
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> =20
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> Appreciate both your and Mark S=E2=80=99s comments on Delrin/Nylatron whi=
ch is also helpful.  =20
up to watch.
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> Thanks you,
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> Mark
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> From: Robert Lang [mailto:[email-masked]]
leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam =
which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to=
 replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.
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> For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie you=
r shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of=
 problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame dam=
age running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless =
you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod e=
nds, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosim=
port.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable=
 and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messi=
ng up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the susp=
ension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustable=
s for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get ri=
d of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely d=
ifferently.
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> Regards,
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> Bob Lang
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> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <fot=
@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Quick question (maybe?).   I am replacing the existing Koni front adjusta=
ble shocks (PN 80-1784).  Bushings are worn out as likely are the shocks. S=
ame with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =E2=80=9969 TR6 racecar.  I =
am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.=20
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> Any preference?  Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuste=
r is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s every time I=
 need to adjust the suspension.
>=20
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> Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be repla=
cing all the front/rear suspension bushings.  Have purchased Nylatron bushi=
ngs.  Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: '=
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Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: '=
Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Thanks =E2=80=93 It crossed my mind=
 about potential rear frame damage with the tube shock bracket when I was i=
nspecting the rear shocks.&nbsp; Not a lot of support there compared to the=
 original lever shocks.&nbsp; So, with your and Charly=E2=80=99s comments, =
will likely refit with adjustable lever shocks for the rear.</span></p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: '=
Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: '=
Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Appreciate both your and Mark S=E2=
=80=99s comments on Delrin/Nylatron which is also helpful.&nbsp; &nbsp;</sp=
an></p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: '=
Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: '=
Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Hope to see you at VIR in March/Apr=
il.&nbsp; Will not be driving, but will be up to watch.</span></p>=20
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: '=
Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Thanks you,</span></p>=20
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: '=
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font=
-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-s=
ize: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Robert Lang [mailto:robe=
[email-masked]] <br><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, January 31, 2024=
 1:40 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> [email-masked]; Mark Cook<br><strong>S=
ubject:</strong> Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar</span></p>=20
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=20
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:=
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:=
 'Helvetica','sans-serif';">Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shoc=
ks work well, but the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and witho=
ut the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the cours=
e of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.=
</span></p>=20
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:=
 'Helvetica','sans-serif';">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
     </div>=20
     <div>=20
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:=
 'Helvetica','sans-serif';">For the rears, unless you converted to a coil o=
ver setup and / or tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SH=
OCKS. I have seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out th=
ere and you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot =
on this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND s=
ecure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure ov=
er time.</span></p>=20
     </div>=20
     <div>=20
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:=
 'Helvetica','sans-serif';">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:=
 'Helvetica','sans-serif';">So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks =
for the rear and get nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to =
rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable setup and =
it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things lik=
e I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've r=
un the Armstong adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a lit=
tle tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes t=
he car handle completely differently.</span></p>=20
     </div>=20
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:=
 'Helvetica','sans-serif';">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:=
 'Helvetica','sans-serif';">Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material=
 is the same as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer rating=
s.</span></p>=20
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: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #26282a;">On Wednesday, January 31, 2024=
 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote: </=
span></p>=20
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          <p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #26282a;">Qui=
ck question (maybe?).&nbsp; &nbsp;I am replacing the existing Koni front ad=
justable shocks (PN 80-1784).&nbsp; Bushings are worn out as likely are the=
 shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =E2=80=9969 TR6 ra=
cecar.&nbsp; I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.&nbsp; </span><=
/p>=20
          <p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #26282a;">&nb=
sp;</span></p>=20
          <p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #26282a;">Any=
 preference?&nbsp; Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuste=
r is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s every time I=
 need to adjust the suspension.</span></p>=20
          <p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"><span style=3D"fon=
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t-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: #26282a;">Usi=
ng the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be replacing =
all the front/rear suspension bushings.&nbsp; Have purchased Nylatron bushi=
ngs.&nbsp; Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.</span></p>=20
          <p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal"><span style=3D"fon=
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