Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Engine Refreshing Frequency - compression results

From: James Trudeau via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 09:45:47 -0400

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thanks Ken and Tony,<div><br></div><div>Gla=
d to hear the bottom end has more life. Will do a leak down test and be aski=
ng about Triumph top end rebuilders in New England.&nbsp;</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Jim<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 28, 2023, at 7:06 PM, Ken Knight &lt;k=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"=
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ul { margin-bottom: 0in; }</style><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">If you can barrow a leak down tester that is still the best tool to=
 assess engine health.&nbsp; I also change oil filters after each race and c=
ut it open to see what is trapped inside.&nbsp; &nbsp;A well built TR race m=
otor can easily do double those hours on the bottom end.&nbsp; In my opinion=
 the key to long tern motor health, assuming a good build, is a high quality=
 race oil.&nbsp; My choice is Joe Gibbs Driven XP-3 10-30, I have bearings t=
hat look almost new at 50 hrs. using this oil.&nbsp; No such thing as =E2=80=
=9Ccheap=E2=80=9D racing oil.&nbsp; =E2=80=9CNever be beaten by parts=E2=80=9D=
 K. Kastner.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">Ken</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cla=
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</p><div style=3D"mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #=
E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"bord=
er:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Jame=
s Trudeau via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, October 28, 2023 2:06 PM<br>=
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><=
b>Subject: </b>[Fot] Race Engine Refreshing Frequency - compression results<=
/p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
I finished a 9 weekend race/school/track day season that started in April an=
d finished at Thompson in October with no obvious performance problems. Tota=
l of 38 engine hours including warmup, grid, race, cool down.&nbsp;<o:p></o:=
p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Did a dry compression test today:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><ol s=
tyle=3D"margin-top:0in;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto" start=3D"1" type=3D"1=
"><li class=3D"li1" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 le=
vel1 lfo1;font-stretch: normal"><span class=3D"s1">210</span><o:p></o:p></li=
><li class=3D"li1" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 lev=
el1 lfo1;font-stretch: normal"><span class=3D"s1">225</span><o:p></o:p></li>=
<li class=3D"li1" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo1;font-stretch: normal"><span class=3D"s1">195</span><o:p></o:p></li><=
li class=3D"li1" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo1;font-stretch: normal"><span class=3D"s1">200</span><o:p></o:p></li></=
ol><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">I get some oil blow by at the valve cover cap and maybe some drips=
 from lower end seals (not sure if oil starts at valve cover).&nbsp;<o:p></o=
:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99ll hear a suggestion to do a l=
eak down test and / or wet compression.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Oil=
 filter forensics?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In the absence of obvious issu=
es, how much of a tear down is warranted?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" st=
yle=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Jim<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</=
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From: Rick Parent via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 14:54:16 +0000 (UTC)

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The numbers are what one would expect doing a cold pressure test. If the en=
gine was hot when you did the test I would pull it.
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequence=
s"
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    On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 07:37:22 AM MST, James Trudeau via Fot <=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 Thanks Ken and Tony,
Glad to hear the bottom end has more life. Will do a leak down test and be =
asking about Triumph top end rebuilders in New England.=C2=A0
Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2023, at 7:06 PM, Ken Knight <[email-masked]> wrote:

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If you can barrow a leak down tester that is still the best tool to assess =
engine health.=C2=A0 I also change oil filters after each race and cut it o=
pen to see what is trapped inside.=C2=A0 =C2=A0A well built TR race motor c=
an easily do double those hours on the bottom end.=C2=A0 In my opinion the =
key to long tern motor health, assuming a good build, is a high quality rac=
e oil.=C2=A0 My choice is Joe Gibbs Driven XP-3 10-30, I have bearings that=
 look almost new at 50 hrs. using this oil.=C2=A0 No such thing as =E2=80=
=9Ccheap=E2=80=9D racing oil.=C2=A0 =E2=80=9CNever be beaten by parts=E2=80=
=9D K. Kastner.

 =C2=A0

Ken

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Sent from Mail for Windows

 =C2=A0

From: James Trudeau via Fot
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2023 2:06 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Fot] Race Engine Refreshing Frequency - compression results

 =C2=A0

I finished a 9 weekend race/school/track day season that started in April a=
nd finished at Thompson in October with no obvious performance problems. To=
tal of 38 engine hours including warmup, grid, race, cool down.=C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Did a dry compression test today:
  =20
   - 210
   - 225
   - 195
   - 200

 =C2=A0

I get some oil blow by at the valve cover cap and maybe some drips from low=
er end seals (not sure if oil starts at valve cover).=C2=A0

 =C2=A0

I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99ll hear a suggestion to do a leak down test and =
/ or wet compression.=C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Oil filter forensics?

 =C2=A0

In the absence of obvious issues, how much of a tear down is warranted?=C2=
=A0

 =C2=A0

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

 =C2=A0

tt.net

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;"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The numbers are what one wou=
ld expect doing a cold pressure test. If the engine was hot when you did th=
e test I would pull it.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydpfc6f8010signat=
ure"><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;=
"><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick Parent</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">"<i>Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of con=
sequences</i>"</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></div></div></div>
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                    On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 07:37:22 AM MST, James T=
rudeau via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"yiv5651185782"><div>Thanks Ken and Tony,<di=
v><br></div><div>Glad to hear the bottom end has more life. Will do a leak =
down test and be asking about Triumph top end rebuilders in New England.&nb=
sp;</div><div><br></div><div>Jim<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhon=
e</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 28, 2023, at 7=
:06 PM, Ken Knight &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></=
div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<style>#yiv56511857=
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rdSection1"><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal">If you can barrow a leak do=
wn tester that is still the best tool to assess engine health.&nbsp; I also=
 change oil filters after each race and cut it open to see what is trapped =
inside.&nbsp; &nbsp;A well built TR race motor can easily do double those h=
ours on the bottom end.&nbsp; In my opinion the key to long tern motor heal=
th, assuming a good build, is a high quality race oil.&nbsp; My choice is J=
oe Gibbs Driven XP-3 10-30, I have bearings that look almost new at 50 hrs.=
 using this oil.&nbsp; No such thing as =E2=80=9Ccheap=E2=80=9D racing oil.=
&nbsp; =E2=80=9CNever be beaten by parts=E2=80=9D K. Kastner.</p><p class=
=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal">=
Ken</p><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv565118=
5782MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p=
 class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal">Sent from <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=
=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows</p><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal"> &nb=
sp;</p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0=
pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p style=3D"border:none;padding:0in;" class=3D"yiv56511857=
82MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net">James Trudeau via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, October 28, 20=
23 2:06 PM<br><b>To: </b><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" ymailto=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
.net">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[Fot] Race Engine Refreshin=
g Frequency - compression results</p></div><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNorm=
al"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal">I finished a 9 weekend r=
ace/school/track day season that started in April and finished at Thompson =
in October with no obvious performance problems. Total of 38 engine hours i=
ncluding warmup, grid, race, cool down.&nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"yiv565118=
5782MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal">Di=
d a dry compression test today:</p></div><div><ol style=3D"margin-top:0in;"=
 start=3D"1" type=3D"1"><li style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;font-=
stretch:normal;" class=3D"yiv5651185782li1"><span class=3D"yiv5651185782s1"=
>210</span></li><li style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;font-stretch:=
normal;" class=3D"yiv5651185782li1"><span class=3D"yiv5651185782s1">225</sp=
an></li><li style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;font-stretch:normal;"=
 class=3D"yiv5651185782li1"><span class=3D"yiv5651185782s1">195</span></li>=
<li style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;font-stretch:normal;" class=
=3D"yiv5651185782li1"><span class=3D"yiv5651185782s1">200</span></li></ol><=
div><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"y=
iv5651185782MsoNormal">I get some oil blow by at the valve cover cap and ma=
ybe some drips from lower end seals (not sure if oil starts at valve cover)=
.&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99ll hear=
 a suggestion to do a leak down test and / or wet compression.&nbsp;</p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=
=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal">Oil filter forensics?</p></div><div><p class=3D=
"yiv5651185782MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv5651185782Mso=
Normal">In the absence of obvious issues, how much of a tear down is warran=
ted?&nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></d=
iv><div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal"=
>Jim</p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv5651185782MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone=
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From: Anthony Parker via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 15:28:35 +0000

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