Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Starter

From: DENNIS WALJE via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 14:18:47 -0500

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thanks to all for your help.&nbsp;<div><br>=
</div><div>Update: &nbsp;I have pulled starter and bench tested it and it lo=
oks like it is working correctly. The pinion gear is moving out and spinning=
.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Inspection of pinion gear shows contact pat=
tern at less than 50%. Inspection of ring gear shows same patters. It looks l=
ike the pinion gear is not coming out far enough or failing to mesh with rin=
g gear.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Has anyone seen this?<br><br><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite">On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:39 AM, [email-masked] wrote:<br><br></=
blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta h=
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oNormal"><span lang=3D"DE">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"DE"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">there ar=
e several gear types on the flywheel and the gear on the starter needs to ma=
tch.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are pull push types, or push=
 pull types, the engage flange need to fit and also the teeth distance and s=
uch stuff.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">Besides that, those starters are quite reliable.<o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers=
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E=
1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D=
"DE">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"DE"> Fot &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t; <b>On Behalf Of </b>DENNIS WALJE via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 2=
7, 2023 2:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> Amici Triumphi &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><=
b>Subject:</b> [Fot] Fwd: Starter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bott=
om:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPh=
one<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:1=
2.0pt"><br>Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D=
"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>From:</b> DENNIS WALJE &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:walje@=
sbcglobal.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Date:</b> October 26, 2023 a=
t 7:15:07 PM CDT<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">f=
[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> <b>Starter</b><o:p></o:p></p>=
</div></blockquote><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt=
"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BFFriends<br><br>Has anyone had a probl=
em with the Wosp gear reduction starter? &nbsp;I installed one on a new engi=
ne and after 15/20 starts, the starter spins but does not engage the ring ge=
ar. Battery voltage is 12.60, engine is properly grounded, all cables, solen=
oid and wiring are new. <br><br>Any recommendations on a gear reduction star=
ter?<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Dennis Walje<br>68 GT6 <br><br>Sent from my iPhone=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></body></ht=
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From: yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 18:44:27 -0400

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Here is a wild guess... The Triumph 6 cylinder flywheels use a shrink
fit ring gear. The gear reduction starters push the bendix towards the
rear of the engine, and if the ring gear was installed with the beveled
teeth facing the rear of the car, not the front, I can see how the ring
gear might get pushed back so far that the pinion gear can't reach it
any more. Should be easy to check looking into the bellhousing where the
starter came out.  

On 2023-10-28 15:18, DENNIS WALJE via Fot wrote:

> Thanks to all for your help.  
> 
> Update:  I have pulled starter and bench tested it and it looks like it is working correctly. The pinion gear is moving out and spinning.  
> 
> Inspection of pinion gear shows contact pattern at less than 50%. Inspection of ring gear shows same patters. It looks like the pinion gear is not coming out far enough or failing to mesh with ring gear.  
> 
> Has anyone seen this?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:39 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> there are several gear types on the flywheel and the gear on the starter needs to match. 
> 
> There are pull push types, or push pull types, the engage flange need to fit and also the teeth distance and such stuff. 
> 
> Besides that, those starters are quite reliable. 
> 
> Cheers 
> 
> Chris 
> 
> From: DENNIS WALJE via Fot
> Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Starter 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> Begin forwarded message: 
> 
> From: DENNIS WALJE <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Starter 
> 
> Friends
> 
> Has anyone had a problem with the Wosp gear reduction starter?  I installed one on a new engine and after 15/20 starts, the starter spins but does not engage the ring gear. Battery voltage is 12.60, engine is properly grounded, all cables, solenoid and wiring are new. 
> 
> Any recommendations on a gear reduction starter?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dennis Walje
> 68 GT6
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<p>Here is a wild guess... The Triumph 6 cylinder flywheels use a shrink fi=
t ring gear. The gear reduction starters push the bendix towards the rear o=
f the engine, and if the ring gear was installed with the beveled teeth fac=
ing the rear of the car, not the front, I can see how the ring gear might g=
et pushed back so far that the pinion gear can't reach it any more. Should =
be easy to check looking into the bellhousing where the starter came out.&n=
bsp;</p>
<p id=3D"reply-intro">On 2023-10-28 15:18, DENNIS WALJE via Fot wrote:</p>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Thanks to all for your help.&nbsp;
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Update: &nbsp;I have pulled starter and bench tested it and it looks l=
ike it is working correctly. The pinion gear is moving out and spinning.&nb=
sp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Inspection of pinion gear shows contact pattern at less than 50%. Insp=
ection of ring gear shows same patters. It looks like the pinion gear is no=
t coming out far enough or failing to mesh with ring gear.&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Has anyone seen this?<br /><br />
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br />
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2=
px solid; margin: 0">On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:39 AM, [email-masked]=
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<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal"><span>Hi,</span></p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal">there are several gear types on the flywheel and t=
he gear on the starter needs to match.</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal">There are pull push types, or push pull types, the=
 engage flange need to fit and also the teeth distance and such stuff.</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal">Besides that, those starters are quite reliable.</=
p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal">Cheers</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal">Chris</p>
<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p>
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<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><strong>From:</st=
rong> DENNIS WALJE &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br /><strong>Subject:</strong> <strong>St=
arter</strong></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"v1MsoNormal">Friends<br /><br />Has anyone had a problem with t=
he Wosp gear reduction starter? &nbsp;I installed one on a new engine and a=
fter 15/20 starts, the starter spins but does not engage the ring gear. Bat=
tery voltage is 12.60, engine is properly grounded, all cables, solenoid an=
d wiring are new. <br /><br />Any recommendations on a gear reduction start=
er?<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />Dennis Walje<br />68 GT6</p>
</div>
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