Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.

From: Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:21:40 -0400

I suppose it wouldn’t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran at Road Atlanta. 

Ronnie

> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During the Mitty. 
>> 
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From: yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 11:31:23 -0400

This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we 
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many 
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of 
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check 
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our 
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the 
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are 
as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a 
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility 
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility 
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from 
a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run 
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't 
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted 
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good 
exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the 
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated 
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is 
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer 
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the 
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and 
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer 
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run 
at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye

On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn’t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
> at Road Atlanta.
> 
> Ronnie
>

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From: Jason Sukey via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:15:13 -0400

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A vote for the "club" type events!

Although the spectator experience at the big time events can't be beat,
being a driver at a big festival event doesn't do anything for me.  For my
vintage racing approach, I prefer the low key events.

Keep it simple, keep it fun, keep it accessible.

Jason Sukey

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> >> =EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> =EF=BB=BFIs there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road=
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> >>> During the Mitty.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">A vote for the &quot;club&quot; type events!=C2=A0=C2=A0<d=
iv><br><div>Although the spectator=C2=A0experience at the big time events c=
an&#39;t be beat, being a driver at a big festival event=C2=A0doesn&#39;t d=
o anything=C2=A0for me.=C2=A0 For my vintage racing approach, I prefer the =
low key events.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Kee=
p it simple, keep it fun, keep it accessible.</div><div><br></div><div>Jaso=
n Sukey</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11=
:59=E2=80=AFAM yellow04 via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">f=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex">This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of =
event we <br>
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options <br>
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.<br>
<br>
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many <br=
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of <br>
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check <br=
out cars we don&#39;t typically run with, and get some insight on how our <=
br>
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the <br>
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are <br=
as follows:<br>
<br>
Festival Events<br>
<br>
Typically higher entrance fees.<br>
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a <br>
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility <br=
of incidents, shortening sessions.<br>
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility <br>
with the packed schedule.<br>
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from <br=
a wide variety of media.<br>
<br>
~<br>
<br>
Club Events<br>
<br>
Typically lower entrance fees.<br>
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run <br=
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don&#39;t <br>
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted <b=
r>
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.<br>
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good <br>
exposure from the normal sources.<br>
<br>
~<br>
<br>
I&#39;ll start. I&#39;m all about driving the car. To me, track time is the=
 <br>
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated <br>
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is <b=
r>
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer <br>
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can&#39;t ignore the <br=
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and <br>
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.<br>
<br>
Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer <br>
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?<br>
<br>
While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run <br>
at? That would be helpful information as well!<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Henry Frye<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:<br>
&gt; I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to be. However the Mitty is attende=
d very<br>
&gt; well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran<=
br>
&gt; at Road Atlanta.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Ronnie<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Chuck<br>
&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fo=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BFIs there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back =
to Road Atlanta <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; During the Mitty.<br>
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From: Brad Eells via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:30:39 -0700

HSR also has a Fall event the 3rd week of September.

Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 9:03 AM, yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
> 
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
> 
> Festival Events
> 
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
> 
> ~
> 
> Club Events
> 
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
> 
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
> 
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Henry Frye
> 
> 
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From: Mike Harmuth via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:31:24 -0400

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I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, Fri-Sat, date at Lime Rock with
the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our normal weekend is the Friday after
Memorial Day. With this event, if we get 25 cars, we should be able to bump
one of the two track day groups that also run there and have 3,  20 minute,
Triumph only sessions, per day. We rent the track, unlimited free admission
for friends and family.

Plan B, not as assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over Labor
Day weekend. 3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on Sunday
because we can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA vintage
festival at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. Downside,
festival event event, probably sharing track time with 10 groups, more
(~30-40%)expensive entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.

Just putting this out there as we look into the future.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, Fri-Sat, date a=
t Lime Rock with the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our normal weekend is =
the Friday after Memorial Day. With this event, if we get 25 cars, we shoul=
d be able to bump one of the two track day groups that also run there and h=
ave 3,=C2=A0 20 minute, Triumph only sessions, per day. We rent the track, =
unlimited free admission for friends and family.<div><br><div>Plan B, not a=
s assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over Labor Day weekend. =
3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on Sunday because=C2=A0we =
can&#39;t race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA vintage festival =
at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. Downside, festival even=
t event, probably sharing track time with 10 groups, more (~30-40%)expensiv=
e entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.<br><div><br></div><div>Just putting this o=
ut there as we look into the future.</div><div><br></div><div>mike h</div><=
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gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex">This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we <br>
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options <br>
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.<br>
<br>
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many <br=
as follows:<br>
<br>
Festival Events<br>
<br>
t/[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team=
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From: Brian Dolan via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:43:05 -0400

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I am biased. Age 40. Many kids. Work. You know the drill.

I choose my limited race weekends in this order
- track distance from home (closer is best)
- event (historical event?, quality, organizer)
- combination (I=E2=80=99ll fly or drive for something special)

I end up at Pitt Race a lot because it=E2=80=99s stupid close for me and a =
great
track.

I go back to VIR, Summit Point, Road America and Mid Ohio because they are
sometimes the right mix for schedule and attractiveness.

I think Kastner Cup is best of regularly on the largest stage possible to
try to demonstrate the vintage racing quality we all bring to the table and
introduce Kastner Cup to new audiences.

And sometimes having it on smaller stages is more fun for us.

So, I=E2=80=99d choose to do it in a semi regular pattern.
One year big stage.
One year medium/smaller stage.
That kind of mentality.

Bringing 40 cars to an event is no joke. Organizers respect that.

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<div dir=3D"auto">I am biased. Age 40. Many kids. Work. You know the drill.=
=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I choose my limit=
ed race weekends in this order =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">- track distan=
ce from home (closer is best)=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">- event (histori=
cal event?, quality, organizer)=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">- combination =
(I=E2=80=99ll fly or drive for something special)</div><div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">I end up at Pitt Race a lot because it=E2=80=99s =
stupid close for me and a great track.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">I go back to VIR, Summit Point, Road America and Mid O=
hio because they are sometimes the right mix for schedule and attractivenes=
s.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I think Kastner=
 Cup is best of regularly on the largest stage possible to try to demonstra=
te the vintage racing quality we all bring to the table and introduce Kastn=
er Cup to new audiences.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">And sometimes having it on smaller stages is more fun for us.=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So, I=E2=80=99d choose t=
o do it in a semi regular pattern.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">One year bi=
g stage.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">One year medium/smaller stage.=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">That kind of mentality.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Bringing 40 cars to an event is no joke. Organ=
izers respect that.=C2=A0</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16 PM yellow04 via=
 Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This seems like a good time t=
o get a feel for the kind of event we <br>
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options <br>
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.<br>
<br>
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many <br=
as follows:<br>
<br>
Festival Events<br>
<br>
t/[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.t=
eam.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]</a><br>
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From: Michael Deweerd via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:01:39 -0400

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Henry,
I'm all for running Mosport again as a Cup Race. We traditionally have a
grid of MG vs Triumph plus we will get our own race grid. and we have the
typical run groups so lots of track time on a fast track.
It would be REALLY COOL to return to Canadian Tire Motorsports Park
(MOSPORT) on a 25th anniversary year. (that would be in 2028)
I believe Mosport was the "Official" 1st Kastner Cup race so returning
there in 2028 would be super cool as an Anniversary Race, (Lots of PR for
that)

Personally I like the smaller tracks that are better suited to our cars so
Club events are favoured at the "smaller" racetracks, Don't get me wrong,
Road America was fantastic! A top notch facility and very nice to run on
track.
but it wasn't the best value vs track time, value vs experience YES!  (I
had a fantastic time there with no regrets at all).

Is the VRG event at the Glen in September too late in the year? (big track
I know).

We will travel within reason to the Cup regardless, in the middle America
region and to the east coast regions. It is the pinnacle of my year to race
at the Kastner Cup.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Henry,=C2=A0<div>I&#39;m all for running Mosport again as =
a Cup Race. We traditionally have a grid of MG vs Triumph plus we will get =
our own race grid. and we have the typical run groups so lots of track time=
 on a fast track.</div><div>It would be REALLY COOL to return to Canadian T=
ire Motorsports Park (MOSPORT) on a 25th anniversary year. (that would be i=
n 2028)=C2=A0</div><div>I believe Mosport was the &quot;Official&quot; 1st =
Kastner Cup race so returning there in 2028 would be super cool as an Anniv=
ersary Race,=C2=A0(Lots of PR for that)</div><div><br></div><div>Personally=
 I like the smaller tracks that are better suited to our cars so Club event=
s are favoured at the &quot;smaller&quot; racetracks, Don&#39;t get me wron=
g, Road America was fantastic! A top notch facility and very nice to run on=
 track.</div><div>but it wasn&#39;t the best value vs track time, value vs =
experience YES!=C2=A0 (I had a fantastic time there with no regrets at all)=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Is the VRG event at the Glen in September too la=
te in the year? (big track I know).</div><div><br></div><div>We will travel=
 within reason to the Cup regardless,=C2=A0in the middle America region and=
 to the east coast regions. It is the pinnacle=C2=A0of my year to race at t=
he Kastner Cup.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>=
</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via =
Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">This seems =
like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we <br>
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options <br>
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.<br>
<br>
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many <br=
as follows:<br>
<br>
Festival Events<br>
<br>
t/[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://au=
tox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/[email-masked]</a><br>
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gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><d=
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From: yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:20:49 -0400

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I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat. 

We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are
trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would
prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more
intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian! 

Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific
(bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I
would love to get back to Road Atlanta. 

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06 PM yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]>
wrote: This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event
we 
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options 
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Festival Events

~

Club Events

~

Cheers

Henry Frye

On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.
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<div>I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat=
=2E</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are t=
rying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer =
to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club=
 events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketl=
ist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love=
 to get back to Road Atlanta.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"v1gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=E2=80=
=AFPM yellow04 via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we <br />ra=
cers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options <br />a=
re the smaller club events, or the big festival events.<br /><br />Having c=
ompeted at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many <br />aspec=
ts of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of <br />event=
=2E We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check <br />=
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our <br /=
>cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the <br=
 />fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are =
<br />as follows:<br /><br />Festival Events<br /><br />Typically higher en=
trance fees.<br />Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the sc=
hedule with a <br />wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher=
 the possibility <br />of incidents, shortening sessions.<br />Organizers h=
ave less negotiating power as there is little flexibility <br />with the pa=
cked schedule.<br />Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing=
 in general from <br />a wide variety of media.<br /><br />~<br /><br />Clu=
b Events<br /><br />Typically lower entrance fees.<br />More track time, mo=
re flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run <br />group, a second =
All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't <br />usually have run g=
roups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted <br />by guys with b=
ig checkbooks and limited experience.<br />Limited media exposure compared =
to a major festival event, but good <br />exposure from the normal sources=
=2E<br /><br />~<br /><br />I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To m=
e, track time is the <br />biggest draw for an event. I also look at the va=
lue, the anticipated <br />track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in f=
ront of 10,000 people is <br />all fine and good, but not a draw for me at =
all. Many of my racer <br />friends share this general opinion with me, but=
 we can't ignore the <br />success of the 2023 event where we had strong nu=
mbers in general, and <br />very strong numbers for racers with very long t=
ows.<br /><br />Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers wou=
ld prefer <br />future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Cl=
ub events?<br /><br />While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a=
 hankering to run <br />at? That would be helpful information as well!<br /=
><br />Cheers<br /><br />Henry Frye<br /><br /><br />On 2023-07-26 09:21, R=
onnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:<br />&gt; I suppose it wouldn't have to be. Ho=
wever the Mitty is attended very<br />&gt; well. The track has had many imp=
rovements since the KCup was last ran<br />&gt; at Road Atlanta.<br />&gt; =
<br />&gt; Ronnie<br />&gt; <br />&gt;&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
</a> wrote:<br />&gt;&gt; <br />&gt;&gt; Would it have to be at the Mitty?<=
br />&gt;&gt; <br />&gt;&gt; Chuck<br />&gt;&gt; <br />&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jul =
25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <br />&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br />&gt;&gt;&gt; <br />&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there any consideration to=
 bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.<span style=3D"fon=
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From: "John H. Hasty via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:27:38 +0000

Henry: One other thing that is important, at least to me, is the Track.  The quality of the track makes a big difference, I would think, especially for those who are facing a long, long tow.  If we are speaking of club type events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or VIR far outweigh other venues which are often used by club event organizers such as VDCA & VRG.  These clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in April each year which would suit the bill.  Whether a two day November event at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jackson suggests be given consideration, could be expanded to a three day event, and whether November is too late in the season are questions I can't answer.  Thus Spake Zarathustra. 

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To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.

Festival Events

~

Club Events

~

Cheers

Henry Frye

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From: Finishing Touch via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:30:37 -0400

I’ll vote for maximum track time, and suggest Summit Point for a future event. 
Mike
Yellow #51 TR6

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:11 PM, yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> ~
> 
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing

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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:59:26 +0000 (UTC)

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 My wife and I both feel that the smaller "club level" events are more fun =
to race at and typically give more of the vintage feel and companionship th=
at we find so fun about racing vintage cars. The Eagles Canyon and the Blac=
khawk Kastner were really great, with good, vintage appropriate feel and pl=
enty of track time. Portland was somewhere in the middle. SVRA is much more=
 geared towards providing for the T/A and F4 series, with vintage being sor=
t-of an "also-ran". Track time was decent, but not as good as Blackhawk or =
Eagles.=C2=A0The RA event is a bit of an exception for us as we live here a=
nd the parade on Friday night is, quite frankly the "main event" of the rac=
e weekend. Having the Kastner Cup at this year's event was just icing on th=
e cake. That being said, the track time was pretty limited, and even though=
 group 2 and the Cup kept things clean and had very little time lost to yel=
lows, that isn't common for events with packed schedules. I think the Can-A=
m race Sunday only had one green lap before things went pear shaped in 14. =
I suspect the Watkins Glen race and parade are a similar deal.=C2=A0The cos=
ts are also another consideration, but not as big a one to my thinking, sin=
ce none of us got into racing because it was inexpensive.=C2=A0
Cheers!Jake and Karen Jacobsen
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:03:00 AM CDT, yellow04 via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we=20
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options=20
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many=20
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of=20
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check=20
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our=20
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the=20
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are=20
as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a=20
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility=20
of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility=20
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from=20
a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run=20
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't=20
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted=20
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good=20
exposure from the normal sources.

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the=20
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated=20
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is=20
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer=20
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the=20
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and=20
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.

Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer=20
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run=20
at? That would be helpful information as well!

Cheers

Henry Frye

On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
> I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to be. However the Mitty is attended v=
ery
>=20
>=20
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>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot=20
>>> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFIs there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road A=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">My wife and I both feel that=
 the smaller "club level" events are more fun to race at and typically give=
 more of the vintage feel and companionship that we find so fun about racin=
g vintage cars. The Eagles Canyon and the Blackhawk Kastner were really gre=
at, with good, vintage appropriate feel and plenty of track time. Portland =
was somewhere in the middle. SVRA is much more geared towards providing for=
 the T/A and F4 series, with vintage being sort-of an "also-ran". Track tim=
e was decent, but not as good as Blackhawk or Eagles.&nbsp;</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The RA event is a bit of an exception for us=
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s just icing on the cake. That being said, the track time was pretty limite=
d, and even though group 2 and the Cup kept things clean and had very littl=
e time lost to yellows, that isn't common for events with packed schedules.=
 I think the Can-Am race Sunday only had one green lap before things went p=
ear shaped in 14. I suspect the Watkins Glen race and parade are a similar =
deal.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">The costs are also =
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vents don't <br clear=3D"none">usually have run groups of 5 year old former=
 NASCAR racers being piloted <br clear=3D"none">by guys with big checkbooks=
 and limited experience.<br clear=3D"none">Limited media exposure compared =
to a major festival event, but good <br clear=3D"none">exposure from the no=
rmal sources.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">~<br clear=3D"none"><br =
clear=3D"none">I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time=
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. Racing in front of 10,000 people is <br clear=3D"none">all fine and good,=
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ear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Can we get an idea of what type of events a=
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<br clear=3D"none">&gt; at Road Atlanta.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=
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l.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br=
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 to be at the Mitty?<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;=
 Chuck<br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jul 25=
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Club events!

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I=E2=80=99m more for track time than the big festivals offer, though I =
like the idea of being on a bucket list track. =20

Lime Rock is really fun to drive, great place but limited facilities for =
campers/hookups for rigs. I=E2=80=99ve done both the two day events =
there (lots of track time, like 3-4 sessions/day) and the Fall Festival =
- amazing sights/cars, but probably just two 20 minute sessions per day, =
and as Mike said, no racing on Sunday due to a longstanding agreement =
with the church across the road.

On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <[email-masked]> =
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I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, Fri-Sat, date at Lime Rock =
with the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our normal weekend is the =
Friday after Memorial Day. With this event, if we get 25 cars, we should =
be able to bump one of the two track day groups that also run there and =
have 3,  20 minute, Triumph only sessions, per day. We rent the track, =
unlimited free admission for friends and family.

Plan B, not as assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over =
Labor Day weekend. 3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on =
Sunday because we can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA =
vintage festival at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. =
Downside, festival event event, probably sharing track time with 10 =
groups, more (~30-40%)expensive entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.

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This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we=20
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options=20
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.

Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many=20=

aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of=20
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check=20=

out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our=20
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the=20=

fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are=20=

as follows:

Festival Events

Typically higher entrance fees.
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a=20=

wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility=20=

of incidents, shortening sessions.
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility=20
with the packed schedule.
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from=20=

a wide variety of media.

~

Club Events

Typically lower entrance fees.
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run=20=

group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't=20
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted=20=

~

I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the=20
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated=20
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is=20=

While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run=20=

Cheers

Henry Frye

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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I=E2=80=
=99m more for track time than the big festivals offer, though I like the =
idea of being on a bucket list track. &nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Lime Rock is really fun to drive, great =
place but limited facilities for campers/hookups for rigs. I=E2=80=99ve =
done both the two day events there (lots of track time, like 3-4 =
sessions/day) and the Fall Festival - amazing sights/cars, but probably =
just two 20 minute sessions per day, and as Mike said, no racing on =
Sunday due to a longstanding agreement with the church across the =
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dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, =
Fri-Sat, date at Lime Rock with the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our =
normal weekend is the Friday after Memorial Day. With this event, if we =
get 25 cars, we should be able to bump one of the two track day groups =
that also run there and have 3,&nbsp; 20 minute, Triumph only sessions, =
per day. We rent the track, unlimited free admission for friends and =
family.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">Plan B, not as =
assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over Labor Day weekend. =
3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on Sunday =
because&nbsp;we can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA =
vintage festival at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. =
Downside, festival event event, probably sharing track time with 10 =
groups, more (~30-40%)expensive entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.<br =
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style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">This seems like a good time to get a =
feel for the kind of event we <br class=3D"">
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options =
<br class=3D"">
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many =
<br class=3D"">
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of <br =
class=3D"">
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check =
<br class=3D"">
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our =
<br class=3D"">
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the =
<br class=3D"">
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are =
<br class=3D"">
as follows:<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Festival Events<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Typically higher entrance fees.<br class=3D"">
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a =
<br class=3D"">
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility =
<br class=3D"">
of incidents, shortening sessions.<br class=3D"">
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility =
<br class=3D"">
with the packed schedule.<br class=3D"">
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from =
<br class=3D"">
a wide variety of media.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
~<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Club Events<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Typically lower entrance fees.<br class=3D"">
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run =
<br class=3D"">
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't <br =
class=3D"">
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted =
<br class=3D"">
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.<br class=3D"">
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good <br =
class=3D"">
exposure from the normal sources.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
~<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the <br =
class=3D"">
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated <br =
class=3D"">
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is =
<br class=3D"">
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer <br =
class=3D"">
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the <br =
class=3D"">
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and =
<br class=3D"">
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer <br =
class=3D"">
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?<br =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run =
<br class=3D"">
at? That would be helpful information as well!<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Cheers<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Henry Frye<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
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&gt; I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to be. However the Mitty is =
attended very<br class=3D"">
&gt; well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last =
ran<br class=3D"">
&gt; at Road Atlanta.<br class=3D"">
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&gt; Ronnie<br class=3D"">
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&gt;&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?<br class=3D"">
&gt;&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt;&gt; Chuck<br class=3D"">
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&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <br =
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&gt;&gt;&gt; =EF=BB=BFIs there any consideration to bringing the KCUP =
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&gt;&gt;&gt; During the Mitty.<br class=3D"">
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 21:26:04 +0000 (UTC)

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 Although I'm no longer on track, I much preferred the smaller club events;=
 they generally have more track time, better organization, lower entry fees=
, & more focus on racing & comradery.Some like all of the pomp & hype of th=
e big events but it seems to detract from the aforementioned...Savannah.Seb=
ring.Atlanta?????

Glen Efinger

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Festival Events

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Club Events

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Cheers

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From: Greg Blake via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:45:26 -0500

I love small club events. The friendly atmosphere, local flavor, and the seat time can’t be beat. 

love as central/south options:
Hallet
The new ECR
COTA would be awesome too. I’ve run there several times now and absolutely love this track. 

Greg

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I prefer club events (lower key, lower cost, more track time), but am OK 
with festival type ones if we get enough track time and the fees aren't 
through the roof.  It's helpful (especially for festival type events 
with lower track time) if there is an extra practice day ahead of time 
if I need to learn the track (like we did at Mid-Ohio and PVGP).  I'm 
not a huge fan of SVRA, but they have event dates out west that are 
favorable next year.

East coast-ish tracks I really like:

Road Atlanta

Mosport

VIR (but I do this one every year)

Lime Rock is one I've never been to and is very historic so that's in 
the running too.

Cheers, Tony Drews

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    <p>I prefer club events (lower key, lower cost, more track time),
      but am OK with festival type ones if we get enough track time and
      the fees aren't through the roof.  It's helpful (especially for
      festival type events with lower track time) if there is an extra
      practice day ahead of time if I need to learn the track (like we
      did at Mid-Ohio and PVGP).  I'm not a huge fan of SVRA, but they
      have event dates out west that are favorable next year.<br>
    </p>
    <p>East coast-ish tracks I really like:</p>
    <p>Road Atlanta</p>
    <p>Mosport</p>
    <p>VIR (but I do this one every year)</p>
    <p>Lime Rock is one I've never been to and is very historic so
      that's in the running too.</p>
    <p>Cheers, Tony Drews<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/26/2023 12:20 PM, yellow04 via Fot
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      <div>We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events,
        we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph
        racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big
        festival events or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's
        reply was spot on, thanks Brian!</div>
      <div> </div>
      <div>Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific
        (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For
        example, I would love to get back to Road Atlanta.</div>
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          <div class="v1gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at
            12:06 PM yellow04 via Fot &lt;<a
              href="mailto:[email-masked]" rel="noreferrer"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
            wrote:</div>
          This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of
          event we <br>
          racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main
          options <br>
          are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.<br>
          <br>
          Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there
          are many <br>
          aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the
          type of <br>
          event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old
          friends, check <br>
          out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on
          how our <br>
          cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that
          makes up the <br>
          fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of
          events are <br>
          as follows:<br>
          <br>
          Festival Events<br>
          <br>
          Typically higher entrance fees.<br>
          Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the
          schedule with a <br>
          wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the
          possibility <br>
          of incidents, shortening sessions.<br>
          Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little
          flexibility <br>
          with the packed schedule.<br>
          Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in
          general from <br>
          a wide variety of media.<br>
          <br>
          ~<br>
          <br>
          Club Events<br>
          <br>
          Typically lower entrance fees.<br>
          More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like
          our own run <br>
          group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events
          don't <br>
          usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers
          being piloted <br>
          by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.<br>
          Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but
          good <br>
          exposure from the normal sources.<br>
          <br>
          ~<br>
          <br>
          I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time
          is the <br>
          biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the
          anticipated <br>
          track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000
          people is <br>
          all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my
          racer <br>
          friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't
          ignore the <br>
          success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in
          general, and <br>
          very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.<br>
          <br>
          Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would
          prefer <br>
          future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club
          events?<br>
          <br>
          While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a
          hankering to run <br>
          at? That would be helpful information as well!<br>
          <br>
          Cheers<br>
          <br>
          Henry Frye<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:<br>
          &gt; I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is
          attended very<br>
          &gt; well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup
          was last ran<br>
          &gt; at Road Atlanta.<br>
          &gt; <br>
          &gt; Ronnie<br>
          &gt; <br>
          &gt;&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a
            href="mailto:[email-masked]" rel="noreferrer"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>
          wrote:<br>
          &gt;&gt; <br>
          &gt;&gt; Would it have to be at the Mitty?<br>
          &gt;&gt; <br>
          &gt;&gt; Chuck<br>
          &gt;&gt; <br>
          &gt;&gt;&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via
          Fot <br>
          &gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
            rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
          &gt;&gt;&gt; <br>
          &gt;&gt;&gt; Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP
          back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.<span
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Great debate.  I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix o=
f venues.  Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 mil=
es from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too.  But the=
 track time was extremely limited.  I think the KC race was only seven laps=
.
=20
For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG=
, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.  But their races are being held in the =
spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those =
making tows over the mountains passes.  SVRA had the later date we needed b=
eing the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next =
weekend.  Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the =
event is just too big.
=20
I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report=
 out as soon as possible.  I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you=
 will not be disappointed.  Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket=
 list.=20
=20
If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organiz=
e some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays=
.  The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer=
 storage for racers running both events.  If that's not enough, Sonoma Race=
way held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....=
seven hours of unlimited track time!
=20
Curt Johnston
[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
707-249-1667

> On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
> =20
> =20
> We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are tryi=
ng to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to =
run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club ev=
ents. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!
> =20
> Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist=
?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to=
 get back to Road Atlanta.
> =20
>=20
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]=
.net mailto:[email-masked]> wrote:
> >> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, [email-masked] mailto:chasgee22@gma=
il.com wrote:
> >>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
> >>> <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta =
during the Mitty.
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bsp; I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues.&=
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   </div>=20
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o run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club =
events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!
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   </div>=20
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     <br>Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibil=
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     <br>Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general=
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     <br>a wide variety of media.
     <br>
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n run=20
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iloted=20
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     <br>Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but goo=
d=20
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     <br>
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=20
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e=20
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and=20
     <br>very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
     <br>
     <br>Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would pref=
er=20
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ts?
     <br>
     <br>While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to=
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     <br>at? That would be helpful information as well!
     <br>
     <br>Cheers
     <br>
     <br>Henry Frye
     <br>
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     <br>On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
     <br>&gt; I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attend=
ed very
     <br>&gt; well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was =
last ran
     <br>&gt; at Road Atlanta.
     <br>&gt;=20
     <br>&gt; Ronnie
     <br>&gt;=20
     <br>&gt;&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:chasgee22=
@gmail.com">[email-masked]</a> wrote:
     <br>&gt;&gt;=20
     <br>&gt;&gt; Would it have to be at the Mitty?
     <br>&gt;&gt;=20
     <br>&gt;&gt; Chuck
     <br>&gt;&gt;=20
     <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot=
=20
     <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a>&gt; wrote:
     <br>&gt;&gt;&gt;=20
     <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back =
to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.
    </div>=20
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:16:24 +0000 (UTC)

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Curt,
Thank you for the details about the 2024 K-Cup in Sonoma. We will be towing=
 from Minnesota so storage of the car during the week between events and so=
me planned activities during the week would be awesome. I am new to this ga=
me but am having a blast and looking forward to K-Cup 2024.
Greg Thompson=C2=A0=20

    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 04:57:01 AM CDT, Curt Johnston via Fot <f=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
   Great debate.=C2=A0 I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have=
 a mix of venues.=C2=A0 Road America was certainly a destination track for =
me (2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list =
too.=C2=A0 But the track time was extremely limited.=C2=A0 I think the KC r=
ace was only seven laps.   =C2=A0   For 2023, my personal preference would =
have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.=C2=
=A0 But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/O=
ct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains pa=
sses.=C2=A0 SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in Apr=
il, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.=C2=A0 Note, we can =
not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big. =
  =C2=A0   I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma=
 and report out as soon as possible.=C2=A0 I can tell you that if you can m=
ake the tow, you will not be disappointed.=C2=A0 Sonoma and Laguna Seca sho=
uld be on your bucket list.=C2=A0    =C2=A0   If we have enough folks atten=
ding both events, we should be able to organize some group activities in th=
e wine country or Monterey during the weekdays.=C2=A0 The tracks are only a=
bout two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for racers runn=
ing both events.=C2=A0 If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held an open te=
sting day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours of unli=
mited track time!   =C2=A0   Curt Johnston   [email-masked]   70=
7-249-1667 =20
  On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:  =
 =C2=A0   =C2=A0   I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry f=
or the repeat.   =C2=A0   We are not really looking for suggestions on spec=
ific events, we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph=
 racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events =
or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian=
!   =C2=A0   Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific =
(bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I wo=
uld love to get back to Road Atlanta.   =C2=A0  =20
   On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:  This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of ev=
ent we=20
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options=20
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.=20
=20
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many=20
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of=20
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check=20
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our=20
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the=20
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are=20
as follows:=20
=20
Festival Events=20
=20
Typically higher entrance fees.=20
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a=20
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility=20
of incidents, shortening sessions.=20
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility=20
with the packed schedule.=20
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from=20
a wide variety of media.=20
=20
~=20
=20
Club Events=20
=20
Typically lower entrance fees.=20
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run=20
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't=20
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted=20
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.=20
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good=20
exposure from the normal sources.=20
=20
~=20
=20
I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the=20
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated=20
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is=20
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer=20
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the=20
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and=20
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.=20
=20
Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer=20
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?=20
=20
While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run=20
at? That would be helpful information as well!=20
=20
Cheers=20
=20
Henry Frye=20
=20
=20
On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:=20
> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very=20
> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran=20
> at Road Atlanta.=20
>=20
> Ronnie=20
>=20
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, [email-masked] wrote:=20
>>=20
>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?=20
>>=20
>> Chuck=20
>>=20
>>> <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
>>>=20
>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta du=
ring the Mitty.   _______________________________________________=20
[email-masked]=20
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data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Than=
k you for the details about the 2024 K-Cup in Sonoma. We will be towing fro=
m Minnesota so storage of the car during the week between events and some p=
lanned activities during the week would be awesome. I am new to this game b=
ut am having a blast and looking forward to K-Cup 2024.</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div class=3D"ydpe58fd95bsignature">Greg=
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                    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 04:57:01 AM CDT, Curt Joh=
nston via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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   <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">Great debate.&nbsp=
; I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues.&nbs=
p; Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from =
the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too.&nbsp; But the tr=
ack time was extremely limited.&nbsp; I think the KC race was only seven la=
ps.</span>
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   <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">For 2023, my perso=
nal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club a=
t Sonoma Raceway.&nbsp; But their races are being held in the spring and fa=
ll (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows o=
ver the mountains passes.&nbsp; SVRA had the later date we needed being the=
 last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.=
&nbsp; Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the eve=
nt is just too big.</span>
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   <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">I'll work with SVR=
A to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as po=
ssible.&nbsp; I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be =
disappointed.&nbsp; Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list.&n=
bsp; </span>
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   <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">If we have enough =
folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activ=
ities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays.&nbsp; The tracks=
 are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for =
racers running both events.&nbsp; If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held=
 an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven ho=
urs of unlimited track time!</span>
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    I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.
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    We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are tr=
ying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer t=
o run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club =
events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!
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    &nbsp;
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    Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketli=
st?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love =
to get back to Road Atlanta.
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      On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via Fot &lt;<a shap=
e=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
     </div> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event=
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     <br clear=3D"none">racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. Th=
e two main options=20
     <br clear=3D"none">are the smaller club events, or the big festival ev=
ents.
     <br clear=3D"none">
     <br clear=3D"none">Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I ca=
n say there are many=20
     <br clear=3D"none">aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless=
 of the type of=20
     <br clear=3D"none">event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers an=
d old friends, check=20
     <br clear=3D"none">out cars we don't typically run with, and get some =
insight on how our=20
     <br clear=3D"none">cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuf=
f that makes up the=20
     <br clear=3D"none">fun. However, the differences I see between the two=
 types of events are=20
     <br clear=3D"none">as follows:
     <br clear=3D"none">
     <br clear=3D"none">Festival Events
     <br clear=3D"none">
     <br clear=3D"none">Typically higher entrance fees.
     <br clear=3D"none">Less track time because the sanctioning body loads =
the schedule with a=20
     <br clear=3D"none">wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the hi=
gher the possibility=20
     <br clear=3D"none">of incidents, shortening sessions.
     <br clear=3D"none">Organizers have less negotiating power as there is =
little flexibility=20
     <br clear=3D"none">with the packed schedule.
     <br clear=3D"none">Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage ra=
cing in general from=20
     <br clear=3D"none">a wide variety of media.
     <br clear=3D"none">
     <br clear=3D"none">~
     <br clear=3D"none">
     <br clear=3D"none">Club Events
     <br clear=3D"none">
     <br clear=3D"none">Typically lower entrance fees.
     <br clear=3D"none">More track time, more flexibility in negotiating pe=
rks like our own run=20
     <br clear=3D"none">group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Cl=
ub events don't=20
     <br clear=3D"none">usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR=
 racers being piloted=20
     <br clear=3D"none">by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
     <br clear=3D"none">Limited media exposure compared to a major festival=
 event, but good=20
     <br clear=3D"none">exposure from the normal sources.
     <br clear=3D"none">
     <br clear=3D"none">~
     <br clear=3D"none">
     <br clear=3D"none">I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, t=
rack time is the=20
     <br clear=3D"none">biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value=
, the anticipated=20
     <br clear=3D"none">track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in fron=
t of 10,000 people is=20
     <br clear=3D"none">all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Ma=
ny of my racer=20
     <br clear=3D"none">friends share this general opinion with me, but we =
can't ignore the=20
     <br clear=3D"none">success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbe=
rs in general, and=20
     <br clear=3D"none">very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
     <br clear=3D"none">
     <br clear=3D"none">Can we get an idea of what type of events active ra=
cers would prefer=20
     <br clear=3D"none">future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival even=
ts or Club events?
     <br clear=3D"none">
     <br clear=3D"none">While we are at it, is there any track somebody has=
 a hankering to run=20
     <br clear=3D"none">at? That would be helpful information as well!
     <br clear=3D"none">
     <br clear=3D"none">Cheers
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     <br clear=3D"none">Henry Frye
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     <br clear=3D"none">
     <br clear=3D"none">On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
     <br clear=3D"none">&gt; I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the =
Mitty is attended very
     <br clear=3D"none">&gt; well. The track has had many improvements sinc=
e the KCup was last ran
     <br clear=3D"none">&gt; at Road Atlanta.
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     <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Ronnie
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     <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a shape=3D"=
rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a> wrote:
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     <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Would it have to be at the Mitty?
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     <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt; Chuck
     <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;=20
     <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Ba=
bbitt via Fot=20
     <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:f=
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     <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there any consideration to bringing=
 the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">FWI=
W - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my experienc=
e with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s=E2=80=A6</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt John=
ston via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bl=
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lor: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Great debate.&nb=
sp; I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues.&nb=
sp; Road America was certainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from t=
he race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too.&nbsp; But the trac=
k time was extremely limited.&nbsp; I think the KC race was only seven laps.=
</span>
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   &nbsp;
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ica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">For 2023, my per=
sonal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club a=
t Sonoma Raceway.&nbsp; But their races are being held in the spring and fal=
l (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows ove=
r the mountains passes.&nbsp; SVRA had the later date we needed being the la=
st weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.&nbs=
p; Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is=
 just too big.</span>
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ica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I'll work with S=
VRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as p=
ossible.&nbsp; I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be d=
isappointed.&nbsp; Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list.&nbs=
p; </span>
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   &nbsp;
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ica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">If we have enoug=
h folks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group acti=
vities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays.&nbsp; The tracks=
 are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for r=
acers running both events.&nbsp; If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held a=
n open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours=
 of unlimited track time!</span>
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ica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
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ica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Curt Johnston</s=
pan>
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ica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">
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o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a></span>
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an>
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    On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; w=
rote:
   </div>=20
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    &nbsp;
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    &nbsp;
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   <div>
    I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.
   </div>=20
   <div>
    &nbsp;
   </div>=20
   <div>
    We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are try=
ing to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to r=
un future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club even=
ts. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!
   </div>=20
   <div>
    &nbsp;
   </div>=20
   <div>
    Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlis=
t?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to=
 get back to Road Atlanta.
   </div>=20
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    &nbsp;
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      On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via Fot &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
     </div> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event w=
e=20
     <br>racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main optio=
ns=20
     <br>are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
     <br>
     <br>Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are m=
any=20
     <br>aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of=20=

     <br>event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, c=
heck=20
     <br>out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how o=
ur=20
     <br>cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up t=
he=20
     <br>fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events=
 are=20
     <br>as follows:
     <br>
     <br>Festival Events
     <br>
     <br>Typically higher entrance fees.
     <br>Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule wit=
h a=20
     <br>wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibi=
lity=20
     <br>of incidents, shortening sessions.
     <br>Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibili=
ty=20
     <br>with the packed schedule.
     <br>Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general f=
rom=20
     <br>a wide variety of media.
     <br>
     <br>~
     <br>
     <br>Club Events
     <br>
     <br>Typically lower entrance fees.
     <br>More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own=
 run=20
     <br>group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't=20=

     <br>usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being pi=
loted=20
     <br>by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
     <br>Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good=
=20
     <br>exposure from the normal sources.
     <br>
     <br>~
     <br>
     <br>I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the=
=20
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d=20
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le is=20
     <br>all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer=20=

     <br>friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the=
=20
     <br>success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, a=
nd=20
     <br>very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
     <br>
     <br>Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefe=
r=20
     <br>future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club event=
s?
     <br>
     <br>While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to r=
un=20
     <br>at? That would be helpful information as well!
     <br>
     <br>Cheers
     <br>
     <br>Henry Frye
     <br>
     <br>
     <br>On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
     <br>&gt; I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attende=
d very
     <br>&gt; well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was l=
ast ran
     <br>&gt; at Road Atlanta.
     <br>&gt;=20
     <br>&gt; Ronnie
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     <br>&gt;&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:chasgee22@=
gmail.com">[email-masked]</a> wrote:
     <br>&gt;&gt;=20
     <br>&gt;&gt; Would it have to be at the Mitty?
     <br>&gt;&gt;=20
     <br>&gt;&gt; Chuck
     <br>&gt;&gt;=20
     <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot=20=

     <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt; wrote:
     <br>&gt;&gt;&gt;=20
     <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back t=
o Road Atlanta during the Mitty.
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:27:49 +0000 (UTC)

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 Terry SVRA has pissed off more than a few vintage racers over the years.Wh=
at started out as a fairly small group down here in Florida, the Southeast =
Vintage Racers Association, has evolved over the decades, gone through mult=
iple owners & management, & now they're just like any other business trying=
 to stay afloat & make $$.Also, like many other groups, they're accommodati=
ng more modern cars nowadays, which usually means more classes/groups/confu=
sion, & less track time.Some folks like that festival atmosphere, but it se=
ems like most here are more back-to-basics club-racers .
Glen Efinger

    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 01:38:21 PM EDT, Terry Sopher via Fot <fo=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my expe=
rience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s=E2=80=A6

On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

=EF=BB=BF=20
 Great debate.=C2=A0 I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a=
 mix of venues.=C2=A0 Road America was certainly a destination track for me=
 (2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list to=
o.=C2=A0 But the track time was extremely limited.=C2=A0 I think the KC rac=
e was only seven laps.   =C2=A0   For 2023, my personal preference would ha=
ve been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.=C2=A0=
 But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/=
Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains passe=
s.=C2=A0 SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in April,=
 plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.=C2=A0 Note, we can not=
 get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big.   =
=C2=A0   I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma a=
nd report out as soon as possible.=C2=A0 I can tell you that if you can mak=
e the tow, you will not be disappointed.=C2=A0 Sonoma and Laguna Seca shoul=
d be on your bucket list.=C2=A0    =C2=A0   If we have enough folks attendi=
ng both events, we should be able to organize some group activities in the =
wine country or Monterey during the weekdays.=C2=A0 The tracks are only abo=
ut two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for racers runnin=
g both events.=C2=A0 If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held an open test=
ing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hours of unlimi=
ted track time!   =C2=A0   Curt Johnston   [email-masked]   707-=
249-1667 =20
  On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:  =
 =C2=A0   =C2=A0   I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry f=
or the repeat.   =C2=A0   We are not really looking for suggestions on spec=
ific events, we are trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph=
 racers would prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events =
or more intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian=
!   =C2=A0   Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific =
(bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I wo=
uld love to get back to Road Atlanta.   =C2=A0  =20
   On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]=
m.net> wrote:  This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of ev=
ent we=20
racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options=20
are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.=20
=20
Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many=20
aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of=20
event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check=20
out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our=20
cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the=20
fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are=20
as follows:=20
=20
Festival Events=20
=20
Typically higher entrance fees.=20
Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a=20
wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility=20
of incidents, shortening sessions.=20
Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility=20
with the packed schedule.=20
Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from=20
a wide variety of media.=20
=20
~=20
=20
Club Events=20
=20
Typically lower entrance fees.=20
More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run=20
group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't=20
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted=20
by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.=20
Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good=20
exposure from the normal sources.=20
=20
~=20
=20
I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the=20
biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated=20
track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is=20
all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer=20
friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the=20
success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and=20
very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.=20
=20
Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer=20
future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?=20
=20
While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run=20
at? That would be helpful information as well!=20
=20
Cheers=20
=20
Henry Frye=20
=20
=20
On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:=20

mail.com

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re than a few vintage racers over the years.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-set=
dir=3D"false">What started out as a fairly small group down here in Florida=
, the Southeast Vintage Racers Association, has evolved over the decades, g=
one through multiple owners &amp; management, &amp; now they're just like a=
ny other business trying to stay afloat &amp; make $$.</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false">Also, like many other groups, they're accommodating=
 more modern cars nowadays<span>, which usually means more classes/groups/c=
onfusion, &amp; less track time.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><span>Some folks like that festival atmosphere, but it seems lik=
e most here are more back-to-basics club-racers <img title=3D"Emoji" alt=3D=
"Emoji" class=3D"yahoo-emoji-wrapper" src=3D"https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_a=
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t Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior - they appear to be about=
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     <br clear=3D"none">&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there any consideration to bringing=
 the KCUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty.
    </div>=20
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:58:20 +0000

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Yes SVRA is all about the big money boys. However, The Mid-Ohio Kastner cup=
 was a total train wreck for all parties involved due to the Covid lockdown=
. Things literally were changing on a daily basis. I will say that Tony Per=
ella (sp?)  worked directly with me before, during and immediately after th=
e event to try and make it work for us.  The track management itself I felt=
 was a real PIA however.

Marty

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From: Fot <[email-masked]> on behalf of Terry Sopher via Fot <f=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 11:37 AM
To: Curt Johnston <[email-masked]>
Cc: yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups=
? Festival or club events?

FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my exper=
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Yes SVRA is all about the big money boys. However, The Mid-Ohio Kastner cup=
 was a total train wreck for all parties involved due to the Covid lockdown=
. Things literally were changing on a daily basis. I will say that Tony Per=
ella (sp?)&nbsp; worked directly with
 me before, during and immediately after the event to try and make it work =
for us.&nbsp; The track management itself I felt was a real PIA however.</d=
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[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Terry Sopher via Fot &lt;[email-masked]=
.net&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 27, 2023 11:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Curt Johnston &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> yellow04 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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I will agree with Terry, SVRA is a business and it is about the money and c=
ornering the market in vintage racing.  I would prefer to race the K Cup wi=
th a club owned and run by members.  Ken

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Terry Sopher via Fot
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 10:42 AM
To: Curt Johnston
Cc: yellow04 via Fot
Subject: Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups=
?Festival or club events?

FWIW - Not a fan of SVRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my exper=
ience with them prior - they appear to be about chasing $s=E2=80=A6

On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
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Great debate.=C2=A0 I agree with Brian Dolan as well that we should have a =
mix of venues.=C2=A0 Road America was certainly a destination track for me =
(2,200 miles from the race shop), and Road Atlanta is on my bucket list too=
.=C2=A0 But the track time was extremely limited.=C2=A0 I think the KC race=
 was only seven laps.=20
=C2=A0=20
For 2023, my personal preference would have been to run the event with CSRG=
, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.=C2=A0 But their races are being held in=
 the spring and fall (March and Sept/Oct/Nov) which seems problematic for t=
hose making tows over the mountains passes.=C2=A0 SVRA had the later date w=
e needed being the last weekend in April, plus they run at Laguna Seca the =
very next weekend.=C2=A0 Note, we can not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna =
with SVRA; the event is just too big.=20
=C2=A0=20
I'll work with SVRA to maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report=
 out as soon as possible.=C2=A0 I can tell you that if you can make the tow=
, you will not be disappointed.=C2=A0 Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on y=
our bucket list.=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0=20
If we have enough folks attending both events, we should be able to organiz=
e some group activities in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays=
.=C2=A0 The tracks are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates tr=
ailer storage for racers running both events.=C2=A0 If that's not enough, S=
onoma Raceway held an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA=
 race.....seven hours of unlimited track time!=20
=C2=A0=20
Curt Johnston=20
[email-masked]=20
707-249-1667=20
On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0=20
I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.=20
=C2=A0=20
We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying=
 to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to ru=
n future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club even=
ts. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!=20
=C2=A0=20
Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?)=
 track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to g=
et back to Road Atlanta.=20
=C2=A0=20

et> wrote:=20

Festival Events=20

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Club Events=20

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Cheers=20

Henry Frye=20

>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta du=
ring the Mitty.=20
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'word-wrap:break-word'><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I wil=
l agree with Terry, SVRA is a business and it is about the money and corner=
ing the market in vintage racing.=C2=A0 I would prefer to race the K Cup wi=
th a club owned and run by members.=C2=A0 Ken</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.micros=
oft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows</p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:no=
ne;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMso=
Normal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:fot=
@autox.team.net">Terry Sopher via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, July 27=
, 2023 10:42 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
Curt Johnston</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">yello=
w04 via Fot</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] What kind of event do you pref=
er for future Kastner Cups?Festival or club events?</p></div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>FWIW - Not a fan of S=
VRA after Kcup with them at Mid-Ohio and from my experience with them prior=
 - they appear to be about chasing $s=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.=
0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt=
'>On Jul 27, 2023, at 05:56, Curt Johnston via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:=
5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF <o:p></o:p><=
/p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Great debate.&nbsp; I agree with Brian =
Dolan as well that we should have a mix of venues.&nbsp; Road America was c=
ertainly a destination track for me (2,200 miles from the race shop), and R=
oad Atlanta is on my bucket list too.&nbsp; But the track time was extremel=
y limited.&nbsp; I think the KC race was only seven laps. <o:p></o:p></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"=
Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>For 2023, my personal preference would=
 have been to run the event with CSRG, the local club at Sonoma Raceway.&nb=
sp; But their races are being held in the spring and fall (March and Sept/O=
ct/Nov) which seems problematic for those making tows over the mountains pa=
sses.&nbsp; SVRA had the later date we needed being the last weekend in Apr=
il, plus they run at Laguna Seca the very next weekend.&nbsp; Note, we can =
not get a Kastner Cup race at Laguna with SVRA; the event is just too big. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>&nbsp; <o:p></=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>I'll work with SVRA t=
o maximize the track time for FOT at Sonoma and report out as soon as possi=
ble.&nbsp; I can tell you that if you can make the tow, you will not be dis=
appointed.&nbsp; Sonoma and Laguna Seca should be on your bucket list.&nbsp=
; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>&nbsp; <o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>If we have enough f=
olks attending both events, we should be able to organize some group activi=
ties in the wine country or Monterey during the weekdays.&nbsp; The tracks =
are only about two hours apart, and SVRA accommodates trailer storage for r=
acers running both events.&nbsp; If that's not enough, Sonoma Raceway held =
an open testing day this year the Friday before the SVRA race.....seven hou=
rs of unlimited track time! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;c=
olor:#333333'>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#3=
33333'>Curt Johnston <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#3=
33333'><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>707-249=
-1667 <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;mar=
gin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 07/26/2023 10:20 AM PDT yell=
ow04 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&n=
bsp; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I meant to change the s=
ubject line of this post, sorry for the repeat. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>W=
e are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are trying =
to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would prefer to run=
 future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more intimate club event=
s. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific (bucketlist?=
) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I would love to =
get back to Road Atlanta. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&n=
bsp; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=3Dreplybody1><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06=
=E2=80=AFPM yellow04 via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fot@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thi=
s seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we <br>racers =
want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options <br>are the =
smaller club events, or the big festival events. <br><br>Having competed at=
 several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many <br>aspects of the we=
ekend that are the same regardless of the type of <br>event. We get to meet=
 and mingle with new racers and old friends, check <br>out cars we don't ty=
pically run with, and get some insight on how our <br>cars run against othe=
r Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the <br>fun. However, the dif=
ferences I see between the two types of events are <br>as follows: <br><br>=
Festival Events <br><br>Typically higher entrance fees. <br>Less track time=
 because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a <br>wide variety of=
 race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility <br>of incidents, =
shortening sessions. <br>Organizers have less negotiating power as there is=
 little flexibility <br>with the packed schedule. <br>Possibly more exposur=
e to the Marque and vintage racing in general from <br>a wide variety of me=
dia. <br><br>~ <br><br>Club Events <br><br>Typically lower entrance fees. <=
br>More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run =
<br>group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't <br>=
usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted <b=
r>by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience. <br>Limited media exp=
osure compared to a major festival event, but good <br>exposure from the no=
rmal sources. <br><br>~ <br><br>I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. =
To me, track time is the <br>biggest draw for an event. I also look at the =
value, the anticipated <br>track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in f=
ront of 10,000 people is <br>all fine and good, but not a draw for me at al=
l. Many of my racer <br>friends share this general opinion with me, but we =
can't ignore the <br>success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers =
in general, and <br>very strong numbers for racers with very long tows. <br=
><br>Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer <=
br>future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events? <b=
r><br>While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to ru=
n <br>at? That would be helpful information as well! <br><br>Cheers <br><br=
>Henry Frye <br><br><br>On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote: =
<br>&gt; I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended ve=
ry <br>&gt; well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was la=
st ran <br>&gt; at Road Atlanta. <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Ronnie <br>&gt; <br>&gt;=
&gt; On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">c=
[email-masked]</a> wrote: <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Would it have to be=
 at the Mitty? <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Chuck <br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;&gt=
; On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <br=
>&gt;&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there any consideration to bringing the K=
CUP back to Road Atlanta during the Mitty. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p cl=
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