Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.

From: Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 06:44:31 -0400

For Me, I look at the cost vs track time as my primary criterion. That usually means more club-like events. Festival events such as the recent Road America or as SVRA runs at Watkins Glen are undeniably fun, but as a regular occurrence not good value for money. Total cost includes the whole package; towing, accommodations, etc. so rotating the Cup from coast to coast enables me to get to every other one, at least theoretically. The exception might be Sonoma where we could combine a family vacation taking winery tours before or after,
So the locale matters as well.

Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change and a great history (see “The Secret Valley of Motor Racing” on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.  Nestled in the Berkshire Mountains and near several cultural venues  it is a great place for a family vacation  They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is small chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.

Phil Gott

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2023, at 4:38 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> COTA would be a great venue
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 5:58 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> 
>> Henry: One other thing that is important, at least to me, is the Track.  The quality of the track makes a big difference, I would think, especially for those who are facing a long, long tow.  If we are speaking of club type events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or VIR far outweigh other venues which are often used by club event organizers such as VDCA & VRG.  These clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in April each year which would suit the bill.  Whether a two day November event at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jackson suggests be given consideration, could be expanded to a three day event, and whether November is too late in the season are questions I can't answer.  Thus Spake Zarathustra. 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 11:31 AM
>> To: [email-masked]
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
>> 
>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>> 
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>> 
>> Festival Events
>> 
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a wide variety of media.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> Club Events
>> 
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.
>> 
>> ~
>> 
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>> 
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>> 
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful information as well!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Henry Frye
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn’t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very 
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran 
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>> 
>>> Ronnie
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot 
>>>>> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road 
>>>>> Atlanta During the Mitty.
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From: Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 07:12:10 -0400

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Further to my previous message, the link to the Lime Rock video is: https://=
youtu.be/PwBw8s7e9b0

I did not get the title quite right. It=E2=80=99s worth spending the hour or=
 so to watch. You=E2=80=99ll want to race there once you see it=E2=80=A6

Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Philip Gott <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFFor Me, I look at the cost vs track time as my primary criterion.=
 That usually means more club-like events. Festival events such as the recen=
t Road America or as SVRA runs at Watkins Glen are undeniably fun, but as a r=
egular occurrence not good value for money. Total cost includes the whole pa=
ckage; towing, accommodations, etc. so rotating the Cup from coast to coast e=
nables me to get to every other one, at least theoretically. The exception m=
ight be Sonoma where we could combine a family vacation taking winery tours b=
efore or after,
>=20
> Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile t=
rack with some elevation change and a great history (see =E2=80=9CThe Secret=
 Valley of Motor Racing=E2=80=9D on You Tube) and will hold 38 cars.  Nestle=
d in the Berkshire Mountains and near several cultural venues  it is a great=
 place for a family vacation  They have a limited number of unmuffled weeken=
ds but there is small chance we could get involved with one of those weekend=
s.
>=20
> Phil Gott
>=20
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>> On Jul 27, 2023, at 4:38 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFCOTA would be a great venue
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 5:58 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFHenry: One other thing that is important, at least to me, is th=
e Track.  The quality of the track makes a big difference, I would think, es=
pecially for those who are facing a long, long tow.  If we are speaking of c=
lub type events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or VIR far outweigh oth=
er venues which are often used by club event organizers such as VDCA & VRG. =
 These clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in April each year which would su=
it the bill.  Whether a two day November event at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jack=
son suggests be given consideration, could be expanded to a three day event,=
 and whether November is too late in the season are questions I can't answer=
.  Thus Spake Zarathustra.=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racer=
s want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the sma=
ller club events, or the big festival events.
>>>=20
>>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many a=
spects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We g=
et to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we don=
't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against othe=
r Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the differen=
ces I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a w=
ide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of in=
cidents, shortening sessions.
>>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility wi=
th the packed schedule.
>>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a=
 wide variety of media.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run g=
roup, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually ha=
ve run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with b=
ig checkbooks and limited experience.
>>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good expo=
sure from the normal sources.
>>>=20
>>> ~
>>>=20
>>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the bigg=
est draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles=
 raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and g=
ood, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this gener=
al opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where w=
e had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with ver=
y long tows.
>>>=20
>>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer fut=
ure Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>>>=20
>>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run a=
t? That would be helpful information as well!
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to be. However the Mitty is attended=
 very
>>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran=20=

>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =EF=BB=BFIs there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road=
=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Further to my previous message, the link to=
 the Lime Rock video is:&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://youtu.be/PwBw8s7e9b0">https=
://youtu.be/PwBw8s7e9b0</a><div><br></div><div>I did not get the title quite=
 right. It=E2=80=99s worth spending the hour or so to watch. You=E2=80=99ll w=
ant to race there once you see it=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div>Phil</di=
v><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 27, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Philip Gott &lt;Vfracin=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>For Me, I look at the cost vs track time as my p=
rimary criterion. That usually means more club-like events. Festival events s=
uch as the recent Road America or as SVRA runs at Watkins Glen are undeniabl=
y fun, but as a regular occurrence not good value for money. Total cost incl=
udes the whole package; towing, accommodations, etc. so rotating the Cup fro=
m coast to coast enables me to get to every other one, at least theoreticall=
y. The exception might be Sonoma where we could combine a family vacation ta=
king winery tours before or after,</span><br><span>So the locale matters as w=
ell.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. I=
t is &nbsp;a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change an=
d a great history (see =E2=80=9CThe Secret Valley of Motor Racing=E2=80=9D o=
n You Tube) and will hold 38 cars. &nbsp;Nestled in the Berkshire Mountains a=
nd near several cultural venues &nbsp;it is a great place for a family vacat=
ion &nbsp;They have a limited number of unmuffled weekends but there is smal=
l chance we could get involved with one of those weekends.</span><br><span><=
/span><br><span>Phil Gott</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>=
Sent from my iPhone</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><sp=
an>On Jul 27, 2023, at 4:38 AM, DENNIS WALJE via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt; wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br=
></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=EF=BB=BFCOTA would be a great=
 venue</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></b=
lockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Sent from my iPhone</span><br></bl=
ockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>On Jul 26, 2023, at 5:58 PM, J=
ohn H. Hasty via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</span><br></blockquot=
e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></s=
pan><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><span>=EF=BB=BFHenry: One other thing that is important, at least t=
o me, is the Track. &nbsp;The quality of the track makes a big difference, I=
 would think, especially for those who are facing a long, long tow. &nbsp;If=
 we are speaking of club type events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or=
 VIR far outweigh other venues which are often used by club event organizers=
 such as VDCA &amp; VRG. &nbsp;These clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in A=
pril each year which would suit the bill. &nbsp;Whether a two day November e=
vent at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jackson suggests be given consideration, could=
 be expanded to a three day event, and whether November is too late in the s=
eason are questions I can't answer. &nbsp;Thus Spake Zarathustra. </span><br=
></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</s=
pan><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><span>From: Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; On Behalf Of ye=
llow04 via Fot</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 11:31 AM</sp=
an><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span>To: [email-masked]</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Fot] Kas=
tner Cup.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>This seems like a good time t=
o get a feel for the kind of event we racers want to run our future Kastner C=
ups with. The two main options are the smaller club events, or the big festi=
val events.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Having competed at several K=
astner Cup events, I can say there are many aspects of the weekend that are t=
he same regardless of the type of event. We get to meet and mingle with new r=
acers and old friends, check out cars we don't typically run with, and get s=
ome insight on how our cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff t=
hat makes up the fun. However, the differences I see between the two types o=
f events are as follows:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockqu=
ote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Festival Event=
s</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Typically higher entrance fees.</span>=
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><span>Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule w=
ith a wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibilit=
y of incidents, shortening sessions.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Organizers have less n=
egotiating power as there is little flexibility with the packed schedule.</s=
pan><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><span>Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in g=
eneral from a wide variety of media.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquo=
te></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>~<=
/span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Club Events</span><br></blockquote></bl=
ockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><b=
r></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><span>Typically lower entrance fees.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>More track time, m=
ore flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run group, a second All Tr=
iumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually have run groups of 5 ye=
ar old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with big checkbooks and li=
mited experience.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Limited media exposure compared to a maj=
or festival event, but good exposure from the normal sources.</span><br></bl=
ockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><s=
pan></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><span>~</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockqu=
ote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I'll start. I'=
m all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest draw for an ev=
ent. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles raced vs the entr=
y fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and good, but not a dra=
w for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this general opinion with me=
, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event where we had strong numb=
ers in general, and very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.</spa=
n><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Can we get an idea of what type of events ac=
tive racers would prefer future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival even=
ts or Club events?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>While we are at it, i=
s there any track somebody has a hankering to run at? That would be helpful i=
nformation as well!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Cheers</span><br></=
blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite"><span>Henry Frye</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquot=
e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></s=
pan><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>On 2023-=
07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquo=
te></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I suppose it wouldn=E2=80=99t have to b=
e. However the Mitty is attended very </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><=
/blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><span>well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup w=
as last ran </span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>at Roa=
d Atlanta.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><=
br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Ronnie</span><br></blockqu=
ote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><=
/blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>On Ju=
l 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, [email-masked] wrote:</span><br></blockquote><=
/blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=EF=BB=BFWould it have to be at the Mitty?</sp=
an><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Chuck</span><br></blockquote></blockquote>=
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite=
"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br></blo=
ckquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
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From: Mark Bradakis via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:41:07 -0600

> Glad to hear Tony mention Lime Rock. It is  a small but historic 1.6 mile track with some elevation change and a great history (see “The Secret Valley of Motor Racing” on You Tube) and will hold 38…

Thanks for the tip about the Lime Rock video, Just finished watching it. 
  Good stuff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwBw8s7e9b0

mjb.