Subject: Re: [Fot] Quaiffe Versus Gripper -

From: "John H. Hasty via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 23:31:14 +0000

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I don=E2=80=99t remember any wheel spin aft=
er we set the car up =E2=80=9Cbetter=E2=80=9D.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>We h=
ave an open dif on the Ambro. It is balanced 50/50 with the engine set back 1=
0=E2=80=9D. But it=E2=80=99s being driven smoothly by Brendan with little ag=
gression. I am not aware of any wheel spin. &nbsp;It may never a Quaiffe in t=
he budget.&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Joe Alexander<div>4505 Donald Dr</d=
iv><div>Cedar Falls, IA 50613</div><div>The-vintage-racer.com</div><div>Gask=
etinnovations.com</div><div>Cell: &nbsp;319.464.4711</div><div><br></div></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 20, 2023, at 6:33 P=
M, Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquot=
e></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=
=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">thanks, Dave. &nbsp=
;Well, I have a welded diff - it requires some input to work - does that mea=
n I drive like a madman? &nbsp;Interesting, your results are the opposite of=
 what I would have expected. &nbsp;I assumed the welded diff is more of an i=
nhibitor in tight turns where it wants the car to understeer, and on sweeper=
s the wheel speed differential would have less of an effect.<div class=3D"">=
Guess I=E2=80=99ll just have to try and find out. &nbsp;Don=E2=80=99t like t=
he idea of any wheel spin though.<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><div cla=
ss=3D"">On Jul 20, 2023, at 12:54 PM, David Gott &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:trium=
[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br cla=
ss=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml><o:=
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Hi Scott,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ve r=
un both a welded diff in the #114 (Dads car) and a Quaiffe in the #80. &nbsp=
;On the same track, I find high speed sweeper corner speed is much better wi=
th the Quaiffe as the welded diff requires modulating the throttle to contro=
l the forced oversteer, where the quaife car is flat out. &nbsp;Last turn at=
 Thompson, the #80 was 11mph faster exiting the corner with the same driver.=
 &nbsp; However, on the hairpin, the welded diff was a much better performer=
 where the quaife required a VERY smooth line and was modulating wheel spin w=
here the welded diff just rotated the car and shot out of a turn. &nbsp; I=E2=
=80=99ve developed a simple questionnaire to help. &nbsp;Lap times were the s=
ame on both cars.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=
1. &nbsp;Do you drive like a madman? &nbsp;If yes, run the welded diff</div>=
<div class=3D"">2. Are you a smooth driver? &nbsp;If yes, the quaife rewards=
 smoothness. &nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"=
"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">LOL</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D=
""></div><div class=3D"">I have not driven a Gripper diff</div><div class=3D=
""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""=
>I hope that helps!</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"=
">Dave Gott<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"yahoo-=
signature"><a href=3D"https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=3Dnativeplacemen=
t&amp;c=3DGlobal_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&amp;af_sub1=3D=
Acquisition&amp;af_sub2=3DGlobal_YMktg&amp;af_sub3=3D&amp;af_sub4=3D10000060=
4&amp;af_sub5=3DEmailSignature__Static_" class=3D"">Sent from Yahoo Mail for=
 iPhone</a><br class=3D""></div><br class=3D""><p class=3D"yahoo-quoted-begi=
n" style=3D"font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0=
">On Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:26 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Scott,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=
Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in the=
 TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this weekend at=
 RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits or pushing t=
he car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever been described a=
s super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my Bugeye with an open d=
iff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""=
>Jake&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div>
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                    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Jan=
zen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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                <div class=3D""><div id=3D"yiv6379046069ydp84dc4effyiv675343=
3236" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Does anyone have experience with a Gripper d=
iff - or a Quaiffe? &nbsp;I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am co=
ntemplating whether any advantage could be gained by making a swap. &nbsp;Ce=
rtainly curious as to what the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were runni=
ng.<div class=3D"yiv6379046069ydp84dc4effyiv6753433236"><br clear=3D"none" c=
lass=3D"yiv6379046069ydp84dc4effyiv6753433236"></div><div class=3D"yiv637904=
6069ydp84dc4effyiv6753433236">Scott Janzen</div><div class=3D"yiv6379046069y=
dp84dc4effyiv6753433236">'68 GT6<br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv6379046069ydp=
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From: "R. John Lye via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:52:18 -0400

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That is good to know, thanks John.

John
=C2=A0

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 23:31:14 +0000, "John H. Hasty via Fot" <[email-masked]=
=2Enet> wrote:

I thought the Tran X was made by Quaife=E2=80=A6 in any event their disc=E2=
=80=99s fit my old Salisbury unit.
=C2=A0
Sent from my iPhone

=C2=A0
On Jul 20, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
=C2=A0

=EF=BB=BF thanks, Dave. =C2=A0Well, I have a welded diff - it requires some=
 input to work - does that mean I drive like a madman? =C2=A0Interesting, y=
our results are the opposite of what I would have expected. =C2=A0I assumed=
 the welded diff is more of an inhibitor in tight turns where it wants the =
car to understeer, and on sweepers the wheel speed differential would have =
less of an effect.
Guess I=E2=80=99ll just have to try and find out. =C2=A0Don=E2=80=99t like =
the idea of any wheel spin though.
=C2=A0
On Jul 20, 2023, at 12:54 PM, David Gott <[email-masked]> wrote:
=C2=A0

Hi Scott,
=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99ve run both a welded diff in the #114 (Dads car) and a Quaiffe in=
 the #80. =C2=A0On the same track, I find high speed sweeper corner speed i=
s much better with the Quaiffe as the welded diff requires modulating the t=
hrottle to control the forced oversteer, where the quaife car is flat out=
=2E =C2=A0Last turn at Thompson, the #80 was 11mph faster exiting the corne=
r with the same driver. =C2=A0 However, on the hairpin, the welded diff was=
 a much better performer where the quaife required a VERY smooth line and w=
as modulating wheel spin where the welded diff just rotated the car and sho=
t out of a turn. =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve developed a simple questionnaire to he=
lp. =C2=A0Lap times were the same on both cars.

=C2=A0

1. =C2=A0Do you drive like a madman? =C2=A0If yes, run the welded diff

2. Are you a smooth driver? =C2=A0If yes, the quaife rewards smoothness. =
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

LOL

=C2=A0

I have not driven a Gripper diff

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I hope that helps!

=C2=A0

Dave Gott

=C2=A0
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
=C2=A0

On Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:26 PM, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]=
=2Enet> wrote:

=C2=A0

Scott,

Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Detroit locker in th=
e TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced both this weekend =
at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in the pits or pushin=
g the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have ever been descri=
bed as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing my Bugeye with an=
 open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Jake=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:48:25 AM CDT, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe? =C2=A0I cur=
rently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any advant=
age could be gained by making a swap. =C2=A0Certainly curious as to what th=
e super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
=C2=A0

Scott Janzen

'68 GT6
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

yahoo.com

=C2=A0

ahoo.com

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

w.com

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<div class=3D"userStyles" style=3D" font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; co=
lor: #000000;">That is good to know, thanks John.<br>
<br>
John
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er>

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<span>On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 23:31:14 +0000, "John H. Hasty via Fot" &lt;fot@a=
utox.team.net&gt; wrote:</span><br>
<br>
I thought the Tran X was made by Quaife=E2=80=A6 in any event their disc=E2=
=80=99s fit my old Salisbury unit.<br>
&nbsp;
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 20, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br>
&nbsp;</blockquote>
</div>

<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF thanks, Dave. &nbsp;Well, I have a welded diff -=
 it requires some input to work - does that mean I drive like a madman? &nb=
sp;Interesting, your results are the opposite of what I would have expected=
=2E &nbsp;I assumed the welded diff is more of an inhibitor in tight turns =
where it wants the car to understeer, and on sweepers the wheel speed diffe=
rential would have less of an effect.
<div>Guess I=E2=80=99ll just have to try and find out. &nbsp;Don=E2=80=99t =
like the idea of any wheel spin though.
<div>&nbsp;
<div>On Jul 20, 2023, at 12:54 PM, David Gott &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triumph=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
&nbsp;

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<div>Hi Scott,
<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>I=E2=80=99ve run both a welded diff in the #114 (Dads car) and a Quaif=
fe in the #80. &nbsp;On the same track, I find high speed sweeper corner sp=
eed is much better with the Quaiffe as the welded diff requires modulating =
the throttle to control the forced oversteer, where the quaife car is flat =
out. &nbsp;Last turn at Thompson, the #80 was 11mph faster exiting the corn=
er with the same driver. &nbsp; However, on the hairpin, the welded diff wa=
s a much better performer where the quaife required a VERY smooth line and =
was modulating wheel spin where the welded diff just rotated the car and sh=
ot out of a turn. &nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve developed a simple questionnaire to h=
elp. &nbsp;Lap times were the same on both cars.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>1. &nbsp;Do you drive like a madman? &nbsp;If yes, run the welded diff=
</div>

<div>2. Are you a smooth driver? &nbsp;If yes, the quaife rewards smoothnes=
s. &nbsp;</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>LOL</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>I have not driven a Gripper diff</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>I hope that helps!</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Dave Gott<br>
<br>
&nbsp;
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=3D&amp;af_sub4=3D100000604&amp;af_sub5=3DEmailSignature__Static_">Sent fro=
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adding-top: 15px; margin-top: 0">On Thursday, July 20, 2023, 12:26 PM, Erik=
 Jacobsen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
=2Enet</a>&gt; wrote:</p>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Scott,</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Just my two cents worth (no cash value), but we have a Det=
roit locker in the TR3 and my wife runs a welded diff in the TR6. I raced b=
oth this weekend at RA, and frankly don't notice any difference except in t=
he pits or pushing the car. Bear in mind that neither us, nor our cars have=
 ever been described as super-fast. I do notice the difference when racing =
my Bugeye with an open diff, as it lifts the inside rear and loses drive.&n=
bsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Jake&nbsp;</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>Does anyone have experience with a Gripper diff - or a Quaiffe? &nbsp;=
I currently run a welded diff in the GT6 and am contemplating whether any a=
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at the super fast GT6s at the Kastner Cup were running.
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