Subject: Re: [Fot] TR sleeve protrusion .011

From: Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 14:36:54 -0400

Thanks, Chris;
Sounds like you are running Factory Spec. I hope to find a set of .010” or so figure 8 gaskets to do the job if .011” is too much (which it probably is).
Regards,
Phil

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> On May 14, 2023, at 2:29 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I would say way too much protrusion. I normally have <0.0027.
> If the block has been decked the liner seat has to be recessed too and maybe even the piston decks need some attention to maintain the proper clearance to the head.
> 
> Cheers
> Chris
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Philip Gott via Fot
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2023 7:39 PM
> To: Friends Of Triumph <[email-masked]>
> Subject: [Fot] TR sleeve protrusion .011
> 
> Has anyone had experience with the cylinder sleeves protruding .011”? The head has been staked per Kas’s book. 
> I am trying to build an engine quickly (avoiding machine shop delays) and have a block with billet crank and Chris Marx seal installed. It has been decked already. Also line bored and cam bearings and cam installed and timed. I want to know if I can assemble this with confidence or if I am asking for trouble?  I don’t anticipate problems with oil or water sealing as I will use Hylomar on a .020” steel head gasket with the raised corrugating around the oil and water galleys.
> The crank broke and a cylinder sleeve cracked in “old reliable” during a test day.
> Please advise.
> Thanks and regards,
> Phil Gott
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From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 17:20:30 -0500

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Most figure 8 gaskets measure between .015 a=
nd .018. You need to drop 6 thousand. I think hobby shops carry thin brass s=
tock in .010. I bet you can cut out own with a pointy protractor.&nbsp;<br><=
br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite">On May 14, 2023, at 4:44 PM, fubog1 via Fot &lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div> <font size=3D"2">NFW!</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Steel shim gasket .0025-.003 works well, composition &=
amp; other gaskets tolerate more but I doubt any gasket will seal with more t=
han .007 or so.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">The steel gasket will clamp down the liners but you'll=
 get minimal compression of the gasket elsewhere.<br>
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<div><font size=3D"2">I would be trimming those liners down...</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Good luck!</font></div>

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<div><font size=3D"2">Glen Efinger<br>
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ize=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Philip Gott via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Friends Of Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2023 1:38 pm<br>
Subject: [Fot] TR sleeve protrusion .011<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Has anyone had experience with the cylinder sleeves protrud=
ing .011=E2=80=9D? The head has been staked per Kas=E2=80=99s book. <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I am trying to build an engine quickly (avoiding machine sh=
op delays) and have a block with billet crank and Chris Marx seal installed.=
 It has been decked already. Also line bored and cam bearings and cam instal=
led and timed. I want to know if I can assemble this with confidence or if I=
 am asking for trouble?&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t anticipate problems with oil o=
r water sealing as I will use Hylomar on a .020=E2=80=9D steel head gasket w=
ith the raised corrugating around the oil and water galleys.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">The crank broke and a cylinder sleeve cracked in =E2=80=9Co=
ld reliable=E2=80=9D during a test day.<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Please advise.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks and regards,<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Phil Gott<br>
</div>

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From: Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 16:29:47 -0400

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h for me. He=E2=80=99ll make a set of 4 gaskets/shims at .010 for me. Much b=
etter than trying to do it with metal shears, at least by my hands.&nbsp;<di=
v>Thanks everyone for your suggestions and offers of help. I won=E2=80=99t b=
e so gun shy of copper gaskets in the future.</div><div>Regards,</div><div>P=
hil<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><b=
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