Subject: Re: [Fot] 7-1/4" clutch and chassis dyno

From: Greg Hilyer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 08:43:57 -0600

Scott,
What I’ve done with Formula Vees is to literally “kick-start” the dyno drum - Get two big guy on both sides of the car to get the drum rolling with foot power. Just a few MPH helps a lot. If need be to get it moving, you can also use the starter motor in first gear (ignition off) for the first couple revolutions (it’s really not as hard on the starter as it sounds), put the clutch in, and let your “mules” kick the best they can. 
Sounds hokey but if it works for a 50hp Vee it should help your clutch too.
Greg “Lunker” Hilyer
Albuquerque NM

> On Apr 25, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> So, I’m putting together my car with a fresh engine.  With a new engine, I almost always spend a few hours on a local chassis dyno - seat the rings, set the timing, check performance, play with carb jets, etc.  Way better than showing up at an event with adjustments not made or an engine that blows up on the first run.
> 
> Anyway, I have a new quartermaster 7-1/4” clutch assembly and flywheel that I would like to put in. However, I have to slip the clutch a lot to get the chassis dyno spooled up, and if I do 5-10 pulls, that’s a lot of clutch slipping.  Am I going to toast the new little guy?
> 
> The alternative, which is of course not very attractive, is to put the full size flywheel/clutch assembly in, do the dyno runs, then pull everything out and swap it. Basically an engine/trans pull, as swapping a flywheel with the engine still in the car and the transmission out just sounds painful.
> 
> Thoughts?
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From: Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 13:11:18 -0400

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thx!

On Apr 26, 2023, at 10:43 AM, Greg Hilyer <[email-masked]> wrote:

Scott,
What I=E2=80=99ve done with Formula Vees is to literally =
=E2=80=9Ckick-start=E2=80=9D the dyno drum - Get two big guy on both =
sides of the car to get the drum rolling with foot power. Just a few MPH =
helps a lot. If need be to get it moving, you can also use the starter =
motor in first gear (ignition off) for the first couple revolutions =
(it=E2=80=99s really not as hard on the starter as it sounds), put the =
clutch in, and let your =E2=80=9Cmules=E2=80=9D kick the best they can.=20=

Sounds hokey but if it works for a 50hp Vee it should help your clutch =
too.
Greg =E2=80=9CLunker=E2=80=9D Hilyer
Albuquerque NM

> On Apr 25, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFSo, I=E2=80=99m putting together my car with a fresh engine.  =
With a new engine, I almost always spend a few hours on a local chassis =
dyno - seat the rings, set the timing, check performance, play with carb =
jets, etc.  Way better than showing up at an event with adjustments not =
made or an engine that blows up on the first run.
>=20
> Anyway, I have a new quartermaster 7-1/4=E2=80=9D clutch assembly and =
flywheel that I would like to put in. However, I have to slip the clutch =
a lot to get the chassis dyno spooled up, and if I do 5-10 pulls, =
that=E2=80=99s a lot of clutch slipping.  Am I going to toast the new =
little guy?
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> The alternative, which is of course not very attractive, is to put the =
full size flywheel/clutch assembly in, do the dyno runs, then pull =
everything out and swap it. Basically an engine/trans pull, as swapping =
a flywheel with the engine still in the car and the transmission out =
just sounds painful.
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class=3D"">thx!<br class=3D""><div style=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Apr 26, 2023, at 10:43 AM, Greg Hilyer &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Scott,<br class=3D"">What I=E2=80=99ve done with Formula Vees =
is to literally =E2=80=9Ckick-start=E2=80=9D the dyno drum - Get two big =
guy on both sides of the car to get the drum rolling with foot power. =
Just a few MPH helps a lot. If need be to get it moving, you can also =
use the starter motor in first gear (ignition off) for the first couple =
revolutions (it=E2=80=99s really not as hard on the starter as it =
sounds), put the clutch in, and let your =E2=80=9Cmules=E2=80=9D kick =
the best they can. <br class=3D"">Sounds hokey but if it works for a =
50hp Vee it should help your clutch too.<br class=3D"">Greg =E2=80=9CLunke=
r=E2=80=9D Hilyer<br class=3D"">Albuquerque NM<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Apr 25, 2023, at =
11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">=EF=BB=BFSo, I=E2=80=99m putting together my car with a fresh =
engine. &nbsp;With a new engine, I almost always spend a few hours on a =
local chassis dyno - seat the rings, set the timing, check performance, =
play with carb jets, etc. &nbsp;Way better than showing up at an event =
with adjustments not made or an engine that blows up on the first =
run.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Anyway, I have a new quartermaster =
7-1/4=E2=80=9D clutch assembly and flywheel that I would like to put in. =
However, I have to slip the clutch a lot to get the chassis dyno spooled =
up, and if I do 5-10 pulls, that=E2=80=99s a lot of clutch slipping. =
&nbsp;Am I going to toast the new little guy?<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">The alternative, which is of course not very attractive, is =
to put the full size flywheel/clutch assembly in, do the dyno runs, then =
pull everything out and swap it. Basically an engine/trans pull, as =
swapping a flywheel with the engine still in the car and the =
transmission out just sounds painful.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Thoughts?<br =
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From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 20:35:47 -0700 (PDT)

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Here's Jeff's setup.  I took this photo at Watkins Glen in 2008 for inspira=
tion and ideas when I was beginning my build.  I'm not sure what master he =
uses.  It does not look like TR6, but it is a duel unit that uses the TR3 b=
ox and seems to protrude further into the firewall box.  This proves that i=
t is possible to build something not too far outside of the standard TR3 se=
tup and if it works for Jeff, it's well tested and performs as needed.
Cheers,=20
Dave H.

>     On 04/26/2023 10:11 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>=20
>=20
>     thx!
>=20
>     On Apr 26, 2023, at 10:43 AM, Greg Hilyer <[email-masked] mailt=
o:[email-masked] > wrote:
>     Scott,
>     What I=E2=80=99ve done with Formula Vees is to literally =E2=80=9Ckic=
k-start=E2=80=9D the dyno drum - Get two big guy on both sides of the car t=
o get the drum rolling with foot power. Just a few MPH helps a lot. If need=
 be to get it moving, you can also use the starter motor in first gear (ign=
ition off) for the first couple revolutions (it=E2=80=99s really not as har=
d on the starter as it sounds), put the clutch in, and let your =E2=80=9Cmu=
les=E2=80=9D kick the best they can.
>     Sounds hokey but if it works for a 50hp Vee it should help your clutc=
h too.
>         > > On Apr 25, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> >=20
> >         So, I=E2=80=99m putting together my car with a fresh engine.  W=
ith a new engine, I almost always spend a few hours on a local chassis dyno=
 - seat the rings, set the timing, check performance, play with carb jets, =
etc.  Way better than showing up at an event with adjustments not made or a=
n engine that blows up on the first run.
> >=20
> >         Anyway, I have a new quartermaster 7-1/4=E2=80=9D clutch assemb=
ly and flywheel that I would like to put in. However, I have to slip the cl=
utch a lot to get the chassis dyno spooled up, and if I do 5-10 pulls, that=
=E2=80=99s a lot of clutch slipping.  Am I going to toast the new little gu=
y?
> >=20
> >         The alternative, which is of course not very attractive, is to =
put the full size flywheel/clutch assembly in, do the dyno runs, then pull =
everything out and swap it. Basically an engine/trans pull, as swapping a f=
lywheel with the engine still in the car and the transmission out just soun=
ds painful.
> >         [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
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>Here's Jeff's setup.&nbsp; I took this photo at Watkins Glen in 2008 for i=
nspiration and ideas when I was beginning my build.&nbsp; I'm not sure what=
 master he uses.&nbsp; It does not look like TR6, but it is a duel unit tha=
t uses the TR3 box and seems to protrude further into the firewall box.&nbs=
p; This proves that it is possible to build something not too far outside o=
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      <br class=3D"">What I=E2=80=99ve done with Formula Vees is to literal=
ly =E2=80=9Ckick-start=E2=80=9D the dyno drum - Get two big guy on both sid=
es of the car to get the drum rolling with foot power. Just a few MPH helps=
 a lot. If need be to get it moving, you can also use the starter motor in =
first gear (ignition off) for the first couple revolutions (it=E2=80=99s re=
ally not as hard on the starter as it sounds), put the clutch in, and let y=
our =E2=80=9Cmules=E2=80=9D kick the best they can.=20
      <br class=3D"">Sounds hokey but if it works for a 50hp Vee it should =
help your clutch too.=20
      <br class=3D"">Greg =E2=80=9CLunker=E2=80=9D Hilyer=20
      <br class=3D"">Albuquerque NM=20
      <br class=3D"">=20
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      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        On Apr 25, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;<a class=3D"=
" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=20
       <br class=3D"">=20
       <br class=3D"">So, I=E2=80=99m putting together my car with a fresh =
engine. &nbsp;With a new engine, I almost always spend a few hours on a loc=
al chassis dyno - seat the rings, set the timing, check performance, play w=
ith carb jets, etc. &nbsp;Way better than showing up at an event with adjus=
tments not made or an engine that blows up on the first run.=20
       <br class=3D"">=20
       <br class=3D"">Anyway, I have a new quartermaster 7-1/4=E2=80=9D clu=
tch assembly and flywheel that I would like to put in. However, I have to s=
lip the clutch a lot to get the chassis dyno spooled up, and if I do 5-10 p=
ulls, that=E2=80=99s a lot of clutch slipping. &nbsp;Am I going to toast th=
e new little guy?=20
       <br class=3D"">=20
       <br class=3D"">The alternative, which is of course not very attracti=
ve, is to put the full size flywheel/clutch assembly in, do the dyno runs, =
then pull everything out and swap it. Basically an engine/trans pull, as sw=
apping a flywheel with the engine still in the car and the transmission out=
 just sounds painful.=20
       <br class=3D"">=20
       <br class=3D"">Thoughts?=20
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From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 20:37:09 -0700 (PDT)

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Oops.  I replied to the wrong message.
Dave

>     On 04/26/2023 8:35 PM DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>     Here's Jeff's setup.  I took this photo at Watkins Glen in 2008 for i=
nspiration and ideas when I was beginning my build.  I'm not sure what mast=
er he uses.  It does not look like TR6, but it is a duel unit that uses the=
 TR3 box and seems to protrude further into the firewall box.  This proves =
that it is possible to build something not too far outside of the standard =
TR3 setup and if it works for Jeff, it's well tested and performs as needed=
.
>     Cheers,=20
>     Dave H.
>=20
>         > >         On 04/26/2023 10:11 AM Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
> >=20
> >=20
> >         thx!
> >=20
> >         On Apr 26, 2023, at 10:43 AM, Greg Hilyer <[email-masked]=
 mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> >         Scott,
> >         What I=E2=80=99ve done with Formula Vees is to literally =E2=80=
=9Ckick-start=E2=80=9D the dyno drum - Get two big guy on both sides of the=
 car to get the drum rolling with foot power. Just a few MPH helps a lot. I=
f need be to get it moving, you can also use the starter motor in first gea=
r (ignition off) for the first couple revolutions (it=E2=80=99s really not =
as hard on the starter as it sounds), put the clutch in, and let your =E2=
=80=9Cmules=E2=80=9D kick the best they can.
> >         Sounds hokey but if it works for a 50hp Vee it should help your=
 clutch too.
> >             > > > On Apr 25, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot <f=
[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> > >=20
> > >             So, I=E2=80=99m putting together my car with a fresh engi=
ne.  With a new engine, I almost always spend a few hours on a local chassi=
s dyno - seat the rings, set the timing, check performance, play with carb =
jets, etc.  Way better than showing up at an event with adjustments not mad=
e or an engine that blows up on the first run.
> > >=20
> > >             Anyway, I have a new quartermaster 7-1/4=E2=80=9D clutch =
assembly and flywheel that I would like to put in. However, I have to slip =
the clutch a lot to get the chassis dyno spooled up, and if I do 5-10 pulls=
, that=E2=80=99s a lot of clutch slipping.  Am I going to toast the new lit=
tle guy?
> > >=20
> > >             The alternative, which is of course not very attractive, =
is to put the full size flywheel/clutch assembly in, do the dyno runs, then=
 pull everything out and swap it. Basically an engine/trans pull, as swappi=
ng a flywheel with the engine still in the car and the transmission out jus=
t sounds painful.
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    <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Here's Jeff's =
setup.&nbsp; I took this photo at Watkins Glen in 2008 for inspiration and =
ideas when I was beginning my build.&nbsp; I'm not sure what master he uses=
.&nbsp; It does not look like TR6, but it is a duel unit that uses the TR3 =
box and seems to protrude further into the firewall box.&nbsp; This proves =
that it is possible to build something not too far outside of the standard =
TR3 setup and if it works for Jeff, it's well tested and performs as needed=
.</span>
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      On Apr 26, 2023, at 10:43 AM, Greg Hilyer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lunke=
[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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       <br class=3D"">What I=E2=80=99ve done with Formula Vees is to litera=
lly =E2=80=9Ckick-start=E2=80=9D the dyno drum - Get two big guy on both si=
des of the car to get the drum rolling with foot power. Just a few MPH help=
s a lot. If need be to get it moving, you can also use the starter motor in=
 first gear (ignition off) for the first couple revolutions (it=E2=80=99s r=
eally not as hard on the starter as it sounds), put the clutch in, and let =
your =E2=80=9Cmules=E2=80=9D kick the best they can.=20
       <br class=3D"">Sounds hokey but if it works for a 50hp Vee it should=
 help your clutch too.=20
       <br class=3D"">Greg =E2=80=9CLunker=E2=80=9D Hilyer=20
       <br class=3D"">Albuquerque NM=20
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        On Apr 25, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=20
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        <br class=3D"">So, I=E2=80=99m putting together my car with a fresh=
 engine. &nbsp;With a new engine, I almost always spend a few hours on a lo=
cal chassis dyno - seat the rings, set the timing, check performance, play =
with carb jets, etc. &nbsp;Way better than showing up at an event with adju=
stments not made or an engine that blows up on the first run.=20
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        <br class=3D"">Anyway, I have a new quartermaster 7-1/4=E2=80=9D cl=
utch assembly and flywheel that I would like to put in. However, I have to =
slip the clutch a lot to get the chassis dyno spooled up, and if I do 5-10 =
pulls, that=E2=80=99s a lot of clutch slipping. &nbsp;Am I going to toast t=
he new little guy?=20
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        <br class=3D"">The alternative, which is of course not very attract=
ive, is to put the full size flywheel/clutch assembly in, do the dyno runs,=
 then pull everything out and swap it. Basically an engine/trans pull, as s=
wapping a flywheel with the engine still in the car and the transmission ou=
t just sounds painful.=20
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        <br class=3D"">Thoughts?=20
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