Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons

From: Brad Eells via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2023 14:08:48 -0800

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">My JE order took 15 weeks last year. FYI=E2=
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><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 2, 2023, at 1:52 PM, D=
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oNormal">Well the Machine shop that can work on my TR3 engine said they are 4=
 months out so that certainly gives me time to order Pistons.&nbsp; For Stre=
et use and only the occasional Track day I have time to see about ordering f=
rom JE or Wisco rather than the flat top pistons from Moss that are manufact=
ured in India (even if they are sent to the UK where they are machined).&nbs=
p; Does anyone have specs for a piston I could see about getting made or can=
 recommend a set?&nbsp; My Engine does have an Isky Cam (not sure which one b=
ased on the Cam Chart that went around the other week).<o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Currently the c=
ar does have flat top pistons in 87mm.&nbsp; Any real concerns moving up to a=
n 89m?&nbsp; I have heard cooling can be an issue and the car does have a Wi=
zard Radiator and an Oil Cooler<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&n=
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From: Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2023 17:35:35 -0500

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I=E2=80=99ve been running Wiseco pistons. Mine are flat top, made to =
order, and they will basically build them any way you want them. They =
can supply rings or build to match the ring specs you want.  A set of =
six for the GT6 was $1,115 two years ago.  I suspect that=E2=80=99s gone =
up.

Doesn=E2=80=99t help you with specs, but I have had good experience with =
them - both the pistons and the company to deal with.  Lead time in =
spring 2021 was about seven weeks.

Scott
Gt6

On Feb 2, 2023, at 2:53 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

Well the Machine shop that can work on my TR3 engine said they are 4 =
months out so that certainly gives me time to order Pistons.  For Street =
use and only the occasional Track day I have time to see about ordering =
from JE or Wisco rather than the flat top pistons from Moss that are =
manufactured in India (even if they are sent to the UK where they are =
machined).  Does anyone have specs for a piston I could see about =
getting made or can recommend a set?  My Engine does have an Isky Cam =
(not sure which one based on the Cam Chart that went around the other =
week).
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Currently the car does have flat top pistons in 87mm.  Any real concerns =
moving up to an 89m?  I have heard cooling can be an issue and the car =
does have a Wizard Radiator and an Oil Cooler
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
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class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ve been running Wiseco pistons. Mine are flat top, =
made to order, and they will basically build them any way you want them. =
They can supply rings or build to match the ring specs you want. &nbsp;A =
set of six for the GT6 was $1,115 two years ago. &nbsp;I suspect =
that=E2=80=99s gone up.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Doesn=E2=80=99t help you with specs, but I have had good =
experience with them - both the pistons and the company to deal with. =
&nbsp;Lead time in spring 2021 was about seven weeks.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Scott</div><div =
class=3D"">Gt6<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb =
2, 2023, at 2:53 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
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none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Well the Machine shop that =
can work on my TR3 engine said they are 4 months out so that certainly =
gives me time to order Pistons.&nbsp; For Street use and only the =
occasional Track day I have time to see about ordering from JE or Wisco =
rather than the flat top pistons from Moss that are manufactured in =
India (even if they are sent to the UK where they are machined).&nbsp; =
Does anyone have specs for a piston I could see about getting made or =
can recommend a set?&nbsp; My Engine does have an Isky Cam (not sure =
which one based on the Cam Chart that went around the other week).<o:p =
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moving up to an 89m?&nbsp; I have heard cooling can be an issue and the =
car does have a Wizard Radiator and an Oil Cooler<o:p =
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From: yellow04 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2023 06:32:23 -0500

Back in the day I tried to educate myself on the rules of the road on 
this kind of stuff, and my recollection is for any engine that will run 
on street gas, use a cast piston. If you are going to bump the 
compression up to the point of needing to run on race gas, use forged 
pistons. Has something changed?

I can't say how many hundreds of thousands, if not millions of County 
pistons are happily going up and down in engines around the world, they 
seem to be proved to work fine in engines that are going to run on pump 
gas. I've used them in a number of rebuilds and know many of us here 
have done the same.

I'm not saying I won't jump on a set of NOS AE pistons when I find them, 
though!

> On Feb 2, 2023, at 2:53 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
> 
> Well the Machine shop that can work on my TR3 engine said they are 4
> months out so that certainly gives me time to order Pistons.  For
> Street use and only the occasional Track day I have time to see about
> ordering from JE or Wisco rather than the flat top pistons from Moss
> that are manufactured in India (even if they are sent to the UK where
> they are machined).  Does anyone have specs for a piston I could see
> about getting made or can recommend a set?  My Engine does have an
> Isky Cam (not sure which one based on the Cam Chart that went around
> the other week).
> 
> Currently the car does have flat top pistons in 87mm.  Any real
> concerns moving up to an 89m?  I have heard cooling can be an issue
> and the car does have a Wizard Radiator and an Oil Cooler

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From: Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2023 12:41:30 +0000 (UTC)

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 Dave,I have a long and unpleasant tale about J&E I attempted to order for =
my Sprite race engine. After many months they crapped out and I went to Wis=
eco. The originally said 12 weeks for custom made, coated flat-tops. They t=
hen updated it to 6 weeks, and finally delivered the pistons in just 3 week=
s! They were also very easy to deal with regarding the specifics of the eng=
ine. I have since ordered forged 89mm coated set for my TR3 race car (throu=
gh BFE), and again they were way faster than they originally claimed. Good =
looking parts and very good to deal with. As an interesting aside, they see=
m to have purchased J&E, so maybe they will get better?=C2=A0
Cheers,Jake
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 05:44:11 PM CST, Brad Eells via Fot <f=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 My JE order took 15 weeks last year. FYI=E2=80=A6

Brad EellsSent from my iPhone

On Feb 2, 2023, at 1:52 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Well the Machine shop that can work on my TR3 engine said they are 4 months=
 out so that certainly gives me time to order Pistons.=C2=A0 For Street use=
 and only the occasional Track day I have time to see about ordering from J=
E or Wisco rather than the flat top pistons from Moss that are manufactured=
 in India (even if they are sent to the UK where they are machined).=C2=A0 =
Does anyone have specs for a piston I could see about getting made or can r=
ecommend a set?=C2=A0 My Engine does have an Isky Cam (not sure which one b=
ased on the Cam Chart that went around the other week).

 =C2=A0

Currently the car does have flat top pistons in 87mm.=C2=A0 Any real concer=
ns moving up to an 89m?=C2=A0 I have heard cooling can be an issue and the =
car does have a Wizard Radiator and an Oil Cooler

 =C2=A0

Dave Riddle

Business IT Consulting

Office: 480-610-8234

eMail: [email-masked]

Website: http://www.microworks.net

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l.com

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data-setdir=3D"false">I have a long and unpleasant tale about J&amp;E I att=
empted to order for my Sprite race engine. After many months they crapped o=
ut and I went to Wiseco. The originally said 12 weeks for custom made, coat=
ed flat-tops. They then updated it to 6 weeks, and finally delivered the pi=
stons in just 3 weeks! They were also very easy to deal with regarding the =
specifics of the engine. I have since ordered forged 89mm coated set for my=
 TR3 race car (through BFE), and again they were way faster than they origi=
nally claimed. Good looking parts and very good to deal with. As an interes=
ting aside, they seem to have purchased J&amp;E, so maybe they will get bet=
ter?&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
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o that certainly gives me time to order Pistons.&nbsp; For Street use and o=
nly the occasional Track day I have time to see about ordering from JE or W=
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dia (even if they are sent to the UK where they are machined).&nbsp; Does a=
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 It has been over 15 years since I used Wiseco pistons, so I don't know if =
their composition or specs have changed since then.=C2=A0 I found that they=
 grew more than they should have and were scoring cylinder walls.=C2=A0 Pis=
ton to bore clearances were set to their specs, but that turned out to be t=
oo tight.=C2=A0 This happened with two sets.=C2=A0 I went to custom made Di=
amond pistons and have not had scored walls since.=C2=A0 I've heard that la=
tely Diamond wants orders of at least 8 pistons, but I don't have first han=
d knowledge of that.=C2=A0 For a custom pop-up design, I used body filler o=
n a piston top to make a model and then they computer copied that to make t=
he new pistons.=C2=A0 JoeB
    On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 08:00:03 AM EST, Erik Jacobsen via Fot <=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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  Dave,I have a long and unpleasant tale about J&E I attempted to order for=
 my Sprite race engine. After many months they crapped out and I went to Wi=
seco. The originally said 12 weeks for custom made, coated flat-tops. They =
then updated it to 6 weeks, and finally delivered the pistons in just 3 wee=
ks! They were also very easy to deal with regarding the specifics of the en=
gine. I have since ordered forged 89mm coated set for my TR3 race car (thro=
ugh BFE), and again they were way faster than they originally claimed. Good=
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em to have purchased J&E, so maybe they will get better?=C2=A0
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        <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">It has been over 15 years since I used Wiseco pistons, so I don't know if their composition or specs have changed since then.&nbsp; I found that they grew more than they should have and were scoring cylinder walls.&nbsp; Piston to bore clearances were set to their specs, but that turned out to be too tight.&nbsp; This happened with two sets.&nbsp; I went to custom made Diamond pistons and have not had scored walls since.&nbsp; I've heard that lately Diamond wants orders of at least 8 pistons, but I don't have first hand knowledge of that.&nbsp; For a custom pop-up design, I used body filler on a piston top to make a model and then they computer copied that to make the new pistons.&nbsp; JoeB</div><div><br></div>
        
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        <div dir="ltr">Dave,</div><div dir="ltr">I have a long and unpleasant tale about J&amp;E I attempted to order for my Sprite race engine. After many months they crapped out and I went to Wiseco. The originally said 12 weeks for custom made, coated flat-tops. They then updated it to 6 weeks, and finally delivered the pistons in just 3 weeks! They were also very easy to deal with regarding the specifics of the engine. I have since ordered forged 89mm coated set for my TR3 race car (through BFE), and again they were way faster than they originally claimed. Good looking parts and very good to deal with. As an interesting aside, they seem to have purchased J&amp;E, so maybe they will get better?&nbsp;</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Cheers,</div><div dir="ltr">Jake</div><div><br clear="none"></div>
        
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I believe that J&E owns Wiseco.  The Kipp family in Ohio started Wiseco and owned it until a few years ago.  I found this out when I called J&E about ordering pistons, or I called Wiseco.  Can't remember who I called first.  Tom Kipp was a top AMA Super Sports and Super Bike racer during the '90s.  Wiseco was a big sponsor of AMA and might still be.  I installed a Wiseco 1200cc piston kit in my '93 H-D Sportster way back in the '90s. 
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   <span style="font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I believe that J&amp;E owns Wiseco.&nbsp; The Kipp family in Ohio started Wiseco and owned it until a few years ago.&nbsp; I found this out when I called J&amp;E about ordering pistons, or I called Wiseco.&nbsp; Can't remember who I called first.&nbsp; Tom Kipp was a top AMA Super Sports and Super Bike racer during the '90s.&nbsp; Wiseco was a big sponsor of AMA and might still be.&nbsp; I installed a Wiseco 1200cc piston kit in my '93 H-D Sportster way back in the '90s.&nbsp;</span>
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 JE has been my go-to for decades, good stuff, never a piston-related issue=
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-----Original Message-----
From: Barr, Scott via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2023 9:27 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons

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e to the head (which uncle jack repaired for me), and the top of the piston=
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, installed a new piston, back in business.=C2=A0 I dropped a valve on a st=
ock style piston and it was game over for the whole lower end =E2=80=93 sha=
ttered piston, broken rod, big hole in the block.  =C2=A0 Are ALL the pisto=
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Cc: Dave Riddle via Fot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons  =C2=A0 Dave, I have a long and unpleasant tale =
about J&E I attempted to order for my Sprite race engine. After many months=
 they crapped out and I went to Wiseco. The originally said 12 weeks for cu=
stom made, coated flat-tops. They then updated it to 6 weeks, and finally d=
elivered the pistons in just 3 weeks! They were also very easy to deal with=
 regarding the specifics of the engine. I have since ordered forged 89mm co=
ated set for my TR3 race car (through BFE), and again they were way faster =
than they originally claimed. Good looking parts and very good to deal with=
. As an interesting aside, they seem to have purchased J&E, so maybe they w=
ill get better?=C2=A0  =C2=A0 Cheers, Jake  =C2=A0 On Thursday, February 2,=
 2023 at 05:44:11 PM CST, Brad Eells via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:  =
=C2=A0  =C2=A0 My JE order took 15 weeks last year. FYI=E2=80=A6 Brad Eells=
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Well the Machine shop that can work on my TR3 engine said they are 4 months=
 out so that certainly gives me time to order Pistons.=C2=A0 For Street use=
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 in India (even if they are sent to the UK where they are machined).=C2=A0 =
Does anyone have specs for a piston I could see about getting made or can r=
ecommend a set?=C2=A0 My Engine does have an Isky Cam (not sure which one b=
ased on the Cam Chart that went around the other week). =C2=A0 Currently th=
e car does have flat top pistons in 87mm.=C2=A0 Any real concerns moving up=
 to an 89m?=C2=A0 I have heard cooling can be an issue and the car does hav=
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To: [email-masked] [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2023 9:27 am<br>
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<div class=3D"yiv7914867953MsoNormal">On the other hand, I was very impress=
ed with how TOUGH the JE pistons were.&nbsp; I had one chew up and spit out=
 a valve head that broke off.&nbsp; A little damage to the cylinder wall, a=
 little damage to the head (which uncle jack repaired for me),
 and the top of the piston looked like the surface of the moon.&nbsp; Repai=
red head and cylinder wall, installed a new piston, back in business.&nbsp;=
 I dropped a valve on a stock style piston and it was game over for the who=
le lower end =E2=80=93 shattered piston, broken rod,
 big hole in the block.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv7914867953MsoNormal">Are ALL the pistons from the aftermar=
ket (JE, Wiseco, etc.) that tough?&nbsp; This isn=E2=80=99t an ad for JE =
=E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m legitimately interested in the experience of others h=
ere.</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv7914867953MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv7914867953MsoNormal">Scott (B.)</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv7914867953MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Fot &lt;fot-bounces@auto=
x.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Erik Jacobsen via Fot<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 3, 2023 6:42 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Dave Riddle &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Brad Eells &lt;tr4abrad=
@gmail.com&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> Dave Riddle via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Pistons</div>
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<div class=3D"yiv7914867953MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-=
family:sans-serif;">I have a long and unpleasant tale about J&amp;E I attem=
pted to order for my Sprite race engine. After many months they crapped out=
 and I went to Wiseco. The originally said 12
 weeks for custom made, coated flat-tops. They then updated it to 6 weeks, =
and finally delivered the pistons in just 3 weeks! They were also very easy=
 to deal with regarding the specifics of the engine. I have since ordered f=
orged 89mm coated set for my TR3
 race car (through BFE), and again they were way faster than they originall=
y claimed. Good looking parts and very good to deal with. As an interesting=
 aside, they seem to have purchased J&amp;E, so maybe they will get better?=
&nbsp;</span></div>
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family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></div>
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pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">On Feb 2,=
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ferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
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e shop that can work on my TR3 engine said they are 4 months out so that ce=
rtainly gives me time to order Pistons.&nbsp; For
 Street use and only the occasional Track day I have time to see about orde=
ring from JE or Wisco rather than the flat top pistons from Moss that are m=
anufactured in India (even if they are sent to the UK where they are machin=
ed).&nbsp; Does anyone have specs for
 a piston I could see about getting made or can recommend a set?&nbsp; My E=
ngine does have an Isky Cam (not sure which one based on the Cam Chart that=
 went around the other week).</span></div>
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 and the car does have a Wizard Radiator and an Oil Cooler</span></div>
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2023 21:35:14 +0000 (UTC)

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 All the race pistons are FORGED, they are super tough. Cast pistons don't =
have anywhere near the same strength.
While everyone is listing success with vendors, I will admit that my JE pis=
tons didn't break when I chucked a rod, I can report that Diamond also make=
s a fine product. I cannot speak to lead times, the last set I bought was a=
bout 5 years ago, but they were super fast delivery at that time. Regarding=
 JE, I thought their customer service was terrible when I tried to clear up=
 a problem that they created by shipping a set with the wrong wrist pin ret=
ainers... but that was around 20 years ago. I'm sure thing have improved si=
nce then. For some reason I hear sarcastic laughter in the distance... oh w=
ell.

HI TED!
c ya,Bob Lang

    On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:02:30 AM EST, Barr, Scott via Fot <fo=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
=20
On the other hand, I was very impressed with how TOUGH the JE pistons were.=
=C2=A0 I had one chew up and spit out a valve head that broke off.=C2=A0 A =
little damage to the cylinder wall, a little damage to the head (which uncl=
e jack repaired for me), and the top of the piston looked like the surface =
of the moon.=C2=A0 Repaired head and cylinder wall, installed a new piston,=
 back in business.=C2=A0 I dropped a valve on a stock style piston and it w=
as game over for the whole lower end =E2=80=93 shattered piston, broken rod=
, big hole in the block.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Are ALL the pistons from the aftermarket (JE, Wiseco, etc.) that tough?=C2=
=A0 This isn=E2=80=99t an ad for JE =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m legitimately inte=
rested in the experience of others here.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Scott (B.)
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf OfErik Jacobsen via Fot
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 6:42 AM
To: Dave Riddle <[email-masked]>; Brad Eells <[email-masked]>
Cc: Dave Riddle via Fot <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Pistons
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Dave,
=20
I have a long and unpleasant tale about J&E I attempted to order for my Spr=
ite race engine. After many months they crapped out and I went to Wiseco. T=
he originally said 12 weeks for custom made, coated flat-tops. They then up=
dated it to 6 weeks, and finally delivered the pistons in just 3 weeks! The=
y were also very easy to deal with regarding the specifics of the engine. I=
 have since ordered forged 89mm coated set for my TR3 race car (through BFE=
), and again they were way faster than they originally claimed. Good lookin=
g parts and very good to deal with. As an interesting aside, they seem to h=
ave purchased J&E, so maybe they will get better?=C2=A0
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
Cheers,
=20
Jake
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 05:44:11 PM CST, Brad Eells via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
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=20
 =C2=A0
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My JE order took 15 weeks last year. FYI=E2=80=A6
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Brad Eells
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Sent from my iPhone
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">All the race pistons are FOR=
GED, they are super tough. Cast pistons don't have anywhere near the same s=
trength.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">While everyone is listing success with vendors, =
I will admit that my JE pistons didn't break when I chucked a rod, I can re=
port that Diamond also makes a fine product. I cannot speak to lead times, =
the last set I bought was about 5 years ago, but they were super fast deliv=
ery at that time. Regarding JE, I thought their customer service was terrib=
le when I tried to clear up a problem that they created by shipping a set w=
ith the wrong wrist pin retainers... but that was around 20 years ago. I'm =
sure thing have improved since then. For some reason I hear sarcastic laugh=
ter in the distance... oh well.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">HI TED!</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">c ya,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<br></div><d=
iv><br></div>
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                    On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:02:30 AM EST, Barr, S=
cott via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal">On the other hand, I was ver=
y impressed with how TOUGH the JE pistons were.&nbsp; I had one chew up and=
 spit out a valve head that broke off.&nbsp; A little damage to the cylinde=
r wall, a little damage to the head (which uncle jack repaired for me),
 and the top of the piston looked like the surface of the moon.&nbsp; Repai=
red head and cylinder wall, installed a new piston, back in business.&nbsp;=
 I dropped a valve on a stock style piston and it was game over for the who=
le lower end =E2=80=93 shattered piston, broken rod,
 big hole in the block.</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal">Are ALL the pistons from the=
 aftermarket (JE, Wiseco, etc.) that tough?&nbsp; This isn=E2=80=99t an ad =
for JE =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m legitimately interested in the experience of o=
thers here.</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal">Scott (B.)</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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221yqt9383940957"><div>
<div style=3D"border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; b=
order-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt=
 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Fot &lt;fot-bou=
[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Erik Jacobsen via Fot<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 3, 2023 6:42 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Dave Riddle &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Brad Eells &lt;tr4abrad=
@gmail.com&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> Dave Riddle via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Pistons</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Dave,</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpca14238eyiv3743671221MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I have a long and unpleasant tale about J&amp;=
E I attempted to order for my Sprite race engine. After many months they cr=
apped out and I went to Wiseco. The originally said 12
 weeks for custom made, coated flat-tops. They then updated it to 6 weeks, =
and finally delivered the pistons in just 3 weeks! They were also very easy=
 to deal with regarding the specifics of the engine. I have since ordered f=
orged 89mm coated set for my TR3
 race car (through BFE), and again they were way faster than they originall=
y claimed. Good looking parts and very good to deal with. As an interesting=
 aside, they seem to have purchased J&amp;E, so maybe they will get better?=
&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Cheers,</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Jake</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at=
 05:44:11 PM CST, Brad Eells via Fot &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:f=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:
</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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al"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=
My JE order took 15 weeks last year. FYI=E2=80=A6</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Sent from my iPhone</span></p>=
=20
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al"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=
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al"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=
On Feb 2, 2023, at 1:52 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span></p>=20
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0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=EF=BB=BF</span><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Well the=
 Machine shop that can work on my TR3 engine said they are 4 months out so =
that certainly gives me time to order Pistons.&nbsp; For
 Street use and only the occasional Track day I have time to see about orde=
ring from JE or Wisco rather than the flat top pistons from Moss that are m=
anufactured in India (even if they are sent to the UK where they are machin=
ed).&nbsp; Does anyone have specs for
 a piston I could see about getting made or can recommend a set?&nbsp; My E=
ngine does have an Isky Cam (not sure which one based on the Cam Chart that=
 went around the other week).</span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Currentl=
y the car does have flat top pistons in 87mm.&nbsp; Any real concerns movin=
g up to an 89m?&nbsp; I have heard cooling can be an issue
 and the car does have a Wizard Radiator and an Oil Cooler</span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
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JE, Wiseco, and a handful of other brands are all  under ownership of "Race
Winning Brands", who's owned by a private equity firm.

As much as I dislike that, my most recent experience with a custom spec set
of Wiseco's went smoothly, and they were delivered ahead of schedule.

Jason

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> I believe that J&E owns Wiseco.  The Kipp family in Ohio started Wiseco
> and owned it until a few years ago.  I found this out when I called J&E
> about ordering pistons, or I called Wiseco.  Can't remember who I called
> first.  Tom Kipp was a top AMA Super Sports and Super Bike racer during the
> '90s.  Wiseco was a big sponsor of AMA and might still be.  I installed a
> Wiseco 1200cc piston kit in my '93 H-D Sportster way back in the '90s.
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a private equity firm.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>As much as I dislike =
that, my most recent experience with a custom spec set of Wiseco&#39;s went=
 smoothly, and they were delivered ahead of schedule.</div><div><br></div><=
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p;E owns Wiseco.=C2=A0 The Kipp family in Ohio started Wiseco and owned it =
until a few years ago.=C2=A0 I found this out when I called J&amp;E about o=
rdering pistons, or I called Wiseco.=C2=A0 Can&#39;t remember who I called =
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g the &#39;90s.=C2=A0 Wiseco was a big sponsor of AMA and might still be.=
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Hi Tony,

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regardless what the manufacturer says I set forged pistons on 0,13mm =
clearance.

Runs forever, never any issues, no piston slap. That=E2=80=99s my engine =
man recommended and so we did.

My TR4 runs on the same pistons now for 10 years with one change of =
rings inbetween.

=20

On aluminum engines =E2=80=93 different story.

=20

Cheers

Chris

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I have a set of Wiseco 89mm pistons that i bought maybe 10 years ago I =
was going to use in a torquey rally engine with a set of Carillo rods - =
is there an issue with piston / liner clearances as some have said ? Or =
is it just a question of not letting the engine run over hot ?

=20

I have Venolia=E2=80=99s in my other bigger capacity engine and they =
have been great, but I=E2=80=99m not so sure about Uk supply any more. =
They also needed the longer Carillo rods, so if I go that route I end up =
with a set of pistons I don=E2=80=99t need.

=20

What=E2=80=99s the advice from the wise ?

=20

Regards

=20

Tony=20

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I believe that J&E owns Wiseco.  The Kipp family in Ohio started Wiseco =
and owned it until a few years ago.  I found this out when I called J&E =
about ordering pistons, or I called Wiseco.  Can't remember who I called =
first.  Tom Kipp was a top AMA Super Sports and Super Bike racer during =
the '90s.  Wiseco was a big sponsor of AMA and might still be.  I =
installed a Wiseco 1200cc piston kit in my '93 H-D Sportster way back in =
the '90s. =20

Dave H. =20

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lang=3DDE><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>regardless =
what the manufacturer says I set forged pistons on 0,13mm =
clearance.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Runs forever, never any =
issues, no piston slap. That=E2=80=99s my engine man recommended and so =
we did.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My TR4 runs on the same =
pistons now for 10 years with one change of rings =
inbetween.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On aluminum engines =E2=80=93 different =
story.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span =
lang=3DDE> Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Im Auftrag von =
</b>Tony Sheach via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 3. Februar 2023 =
17:44<br><b>An:</b> DAVE HOGYE &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Erik Jacobsen via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: =
[Fot] Pistons<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi folks =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
have a set of Wiseco 89mm pistons that i bought maybe 10 years ago I was =
going to use in a torquey rally engine with a set of Carillo rods - is =
there an issue with piston / liner clearances as some have said ? Or is =
it just a question of not letting the engine run over hot =
?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
have Venolia=E2=80=99s in my other bigger capacity engine and they have =
been great, but I=E2=80=99m not so sure about Uk supply any more. They =
also needed the longer Carillo rods, so if I go that route I end up with =
a set of pistons I don=E2=80=99t need.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What=E2=80=99s the advice from the wise =
?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Tony&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 3 Feb 2023, at =
16:22, DAVE HOGYE via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>I believe that J&amp;E owns Wiseco.&nbsp; The Kipp family in Ohio =
started Wiseco and owned it until a few years ago.&nbsp; I found this =
out when I called J&amp;E about ordering pistons, or I called =
Wiseco.&nbsp; Can't remember who I called first.&nbsp; Tom Kipp was a =
top AMA Super Sports and Super Bike racer during the '90s.&nbsp; Wiseco =
was a big sponsor of AMA and might still be.&nbsp; I installed a Wiseco =
1200cc piston kit in my '93 H-D Sportster way back in the '90s.&nbsp; =
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<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2023 14:09:41 +0000 (UTC)

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 Tony, I was running 0.004" piston clearance back when I had the Wisecos.=
=C2=A0 Do you have a spec sheet with them?=C2=A0 Chris replied that he uses=
 0.13mm which is 0.005" with forged pistons.=C2=A0 0.005 would probably hav=
e been better with my Wisecos.=C2=A0=C2=A0
I use 0.004" with my Diamonds and my Miata with Ross pistons uses 0.004".=
=C2=A0 Both are forged.=C2=A0=C2=A0JoeB
    On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:27:06 PM EST, Tony Sheach via Fot <fo=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 Hi folks
I have a set of Wiseco 89mm pistons that i bought maybe 10 years ago I was =
going to use in a torquey rally engine with a set of Carillo rods - is ther=
e an issue with piston / liner clearances as some have said ? Or is it just=
 a question of not letting the engine run over hot ?
I have Venolia=E2=80=99s in my other bigger capacity engine and they have b=
een great, but I=E2=80=99m not so sure about Uk supply any more. They also =
needed the longer Carillo rods, so if I go that route I end up with a set o=
f pistons I don=E2=80=99t need.
What=E2=80=99s the advice from the wise ?
Regards
Tony=C2=A0

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On 3 Feb 2023, at 16:22, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFI believe that J&E owns Wiseco.=C2=A0 The Kipp family in Ohio star=
ted Wiseco and owned it until a few years ago.=C2=A0 I found this out when =
I called J&E about ordering pistons, or I called Wiseco.=C2=A0 Can't rememb=
er who I called first.=C2=A0 Tom Kipp was a top AMA Super Sports and Super =
Bike racer during the '90s.=C2=A0 Wiseco was a big sponsor of AMA and might=
 still be.=C2=A0 I installed a Wiseco 1200cc piston kit in my '93 H-D Sport=
ster way back in the '90s.=C2=A0
Dave H.=C2=A0=20
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Tony, I was running 0.004" p=
iston clearance back when I had the Wisecos.&nbsp; Do you have a spec sheet=
 with them?&nbsp; Chris replied that he uses 0.13mm which is 0.005" with fo=
rged pistons.&nbsp; 0.005 would probably have been better with my Wisecos.&=
nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I use 0.004" with my Diamonds and my Miata w=
ith Ross pistons uses 0.004".&nbsp; Both are forged.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div =
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each via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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Hi folks
<div><br clear=3D"none">
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<div>I have a set of Wiseco 89mm pistons that i bought maybe 10 years ago I=
 was going to use in a torquey rally engine with a set of Carillo rods - is=
 there an issue with piston / liner clearances as some have said ? Or is it=
 just a question of not letting
 the engine run over hot ?</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>I have Venolia=E2=80=99s in my other bigger capacity engine and they h=
ave been great, but I=E2=80=99m not so sure about Uk supply any more. They =
also needed the longer Carillo rods, so if I go that route I end up with a =
set of pistons I don=E2=80=99t need.</div>
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</div>
<div>What=E2=80=99s the advice from the wise ?</div>
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<div>Regards</div>
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<span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">I believe that J&amp;=
E owns Wiseco.&nbsp; The Kipp family in Ohio started Wiseco and owned it un=
til a few years ago.&nbsp; I found this out when I called J&amp;E about ord=
ering pistons, or I called Wiseco.&nbsp; Can't remember
 who I called first.&nbsp; Tom Kipp was a top AMA Super Sports and Super Bi=
ke racer during the '90s.&nbsp; Wiseco was a big sponsor of AMA and might s=
till be.&nbsp; I installed a Wiseco 1200cc piston kit in my '93 H-D Sportst=
er way back in the '90s.&nbsp;</span>
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 I set the JE pistons w/coated skirts torque-plated to .004, much less than=
 that I often find some skirt scuffing.
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From: Joe Boruch via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
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d that he uses 0.13mm which is 0.005" with forged pistons.&nbsp; 0.005 woul=
d probably have been better with my Wisecos.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I use 0.004" with my Diamonds and my Miata with Ross pisto=
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