Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

From: Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 21:53:01 -0400

Amici:
At the risk of opening Pandora’s box, May I ask what gear oil you would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.  I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems “normal.” The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experience?
Thanks and regards,
Phil

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Hi Phil, this is what John at Quantium sent me about trans and diff oils. I
couldn't find the Sta-lube in the US but had no problem getting a couple of
quarts of it via Flea Bay from Canada.

For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high quality GL4
spec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it says
GL5).
For the transmissions you might want to switch to the Redline MTL or MT90
spec synthetic oils.

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> Amici:
> At the risk of opening Pandora=E2=80=99s box, May I ask what gear oil you=
 would
> recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil 1
> 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt
> Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concernin=
g.
> The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1
> gear set.  I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems =E2=80=9Cnormal.=
=E2=80=9D The rear
> end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Phil, this is what John at Quantium sent me about trans=
 and diff oils. I couldn&#39;t find the Sta-lube in the US but had no probl=
em getting a couple of quarts of it via Flea Bay from Canada.<div><br></div=
><div>For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high quality=
 GL4 spec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it sa=
ys GL5).<br></div><div>For the transmissions you might want to switch to th=
e Redline MTL or MT90 spec synthetic oils.<br></div><div><br></div><div>mik=
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0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Amici:<b=
r>
At the risk of opening Pandora=E2=80=99s box, May I ask what gear oil you w=
ould recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil=
 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt=
 Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning=
. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 g=
ear set.=C2=A0 I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems =E2=80=9Cnormal=
.=E2=80=9D The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.<br>
What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experien=
ce?<br>
Thanks and regards,<br>
Phil<br>
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From: fubog1 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:10:41 +0000 (UTC)

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 Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any good hypoid gear oil s=
hould be OK;I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.
The metal in the sample is a different story, they normally don't "make" an=
y metal in operation.You'll have to remove the cover & get a visual on thin=
gs, check the lash, mesh pattern & preloads best possible in situ.
Glen Efinger
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From: Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
To: Friends Of Triumph <[email-masked]>
Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

Amici:
.=E2=80=9D The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.
ce?
Thanks and regards,
Phil

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<div> <font size=3D"2">Welded rear gears aren't that fussy about lube, any =
good hypoid gear oil should be OK;</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">I usually use 80-90 Valvo in them.<br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">The metal in the sample is a different story, they no=
rmally don't "make" any metal in operation.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"2">You'll have to remove the cover &amp; get a visual on=
 things, check the lash, mesh pattern &amp; preloads best possible in situ.=
</font></div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div><font size=3D"2">Glen Efinger</font><br>
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From: Philip Gott via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Friends Of Triumph &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 9:53 pm<br>
Subject: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Amici:<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">At the risk of opening Pandora=E2=80=99s box, May I ask wh=
at gear oil you would recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I=
 am running Mobil 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic fille=
r plug after Pitt Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flak=
es are concerning. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new =
(3 seasons) 4.1 gear set.&nbsp; I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seem=
s =E2=80=9Cnormal.=E2=80=9D The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics wh=
om I trust.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what=
 is your experience?<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks and regards,<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Phil<br>
</div>

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From: Phil Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 14:31:18 +0000 (UTC)

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Thanks, Mike;
Was there an attachment? It did not come through.
I'm using Redline MT90 in the W-58 transmission. =C2=A0We found that the AC=
 Delco "Synchromesh" gear oil works well in the Triumph box.
Phil

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From: Mike Harmuth <[email-masked]>
To: Philip Gott <[email-masked]>
Cc: Friends Of Triumph <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differential) oil

Hi Phil, this is what John at Quantium sent me about trans and diff oils. I=
 couldn't find the Sta-lube in the US but had no problem getting a couple o=
f quarts of it via Flea Bay from Canada.
For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high quality GL4 s=
pec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it says GL5=
).
For the transmissions you might want to switch to the Redline MTL or MT90 s=
pec synthetic oils.

mike h

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Amici:

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" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10p=
t; color: black;">I'm using Redline MT90 in the W-58 transmission. &nbsp;We=
 found that the AC Delco "Synchromesh" gear oil works well in the Triumph b=
ox.</div><div style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: =
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ut had no problem getting a couple of quarts of it via Flea Bay from Canada=
.<div><br></div><div>For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is=
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en though it says GL5).<br></div><div>For the transmissions you might want =
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border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">Amici:<br>
At the risk of opening Pandora=E2=80=99s box, May I ask what gear oil you w=
ould recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil=
 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt=
 Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning=
. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 g=
ear set.&nbsp; I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems =E2=80=9Cnormal=
.=E2=80=9D The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.<br>
What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experien=
ce?<br>
Thanks and regards,<br>
Phil<br>
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No attachment, I just pasted the text from a note John sent to me.

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> I'm using Redline MT90 in the W-58 transmission.  We found that the AC
> Hi Phil, this is what John at Quantium sent me about trans and diff oils.
> I couldn't find the Sta-lube in the US but had no problem getting a coupl=
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D8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width=3D"1" height=3D"1"></a></div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 10=
, 2022 at 10:31 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:b=
lack"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;c=
olor:black">Thanks, Mike;</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:ar=
ial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">Was there an attachmen=
t? It did not come through.</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black">I&#39;m using Redlin=
e MT90 in the W-58 transmission.=C2=A0 We found that the AC Delco &quot;Syn=
chromesh&quot; gear oil works well in the Triumph box.</div><div style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br></div=
><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:=
black">Phil<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Mike Harmuth &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;<br>To: Philip Gott &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
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mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2022 8:57 am<br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Final drive (differen=
tial) oil<br><br></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_6564347257814813890yiv6544715719"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Phil, this is what John at Quantium sent me about tran=
s and diff oils. I couldn&#39;t find the Sta-lube in the US but had no prob=
lem getting a couple of quarts of it via Flea Bay from Canada.<div><br></di=
v><div>For the diffs we found the CRC Sta-lube brand 85W90 is a high qualit=
y GL4 spec oil or you can use the Redline 75W90 synthetic (even though it s=
ays GL5).<br></div><div>For the transmissions you might want to switch to t=
he Redline MTL or MT90 spec synthetic oils.<br></div><div><br></div><div>mi=
ke h</div></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_6564347257814813890yiv6544715719DAB4FAD8=
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iv><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:07 PM Philip Gott vi=
a Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener"=
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tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex">Amici:<br>
At the risk of opening Pandora=E2=80=99s box, May I ask what gear oil you w=
ould recommend for the rear end in my TR4A (solid axle)? I am running Mobil=
 1 75-140 and found some metal flakes on my magnetic filler plug after Pitt=
 Race. Usually there are some whiskers, but the metal flakes are concerning=
. The rear end is a welded diff carrying a relatively new (3 seasons) 4.1 g=
ear set.=C2=A0 I have yet to pull the cover. Backlash seems =E2=80=9Cnormal=
.=E2=80=9D The rear end was set up by Quantum Mechanics whom I trust.<br>
What do you all run for oil (brand and viscosity) and what is your experien=
ce?<br>
Thanks and regards,<br>
Phil<br>
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From: Joe via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:26:42 -0400

I’ve been using Redline Heavy Shockproof gear oil in my TR3 with a TranX diff.  I use Amsoil Severe gear in my Miata with a Torsen diff.  JoeB

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