Subject: [Fot] TR-3 race tires and wheels

From: Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 12:24:49 +0000 (UTC)

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Triumph racers,=C2=A0Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 together so I =
can race it in the Kastner Cup next year at RA (she'll race her TR-6), and =
I am looking for some insight on wire wheel sizes people are using. I will =
be running wires likely with Hoosier Speedsters, and am curious what others=
 are using. 72 spoke, or 60? 15 x 5" or 15 x 6"?=C2=A0

Thanks much!Jake Jacobsen

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<html><head></head><body><div class="yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Triumph racers,&nbsp;</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 together so I can race it in the Kastner Cup next year at RA (she'll race her TR-6), and I am looking for some insight on wire wheel sizes people are using. I will be running wires likely with Hoosier Speedsters, and am curious what others are using. 72 spoke, or 60? 15 x 5" or 15 x 6"?&nbsp;</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks much!</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Jake Jacobsen</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div></div></body></html>
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From: Terry Stetler via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 21:36:46 +0000

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Erik,

The ONLY tire I would think of using with wire wheels, and ONLY the 72 spok=
e Daytons with the heavy spokes, would be the old style, skinny vintage Dun=
lop bias plys.  Modern, uber sticky radia race rubber like the Hoosier Spee=
dsters is a recipe for trouble.  None of the front running TRs that I know =
of are running wire wheels.  There are very good reasons for this.

Just my humble opinion after 20 years of taking care of Jeff=92s TR3=85

Terry Stetler

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Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 8:28 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 race tires and wheels

Triumph racers,
Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 together so I can race it in the Ka=
stner Cup next year at RA (she'll race her TR-6), and I am looking for some=
 insight on wire wheel sizes people are using. I will be running wires like=
ly with Hoosier Speedsters, and am curious what others are using. 72 spoke,=
 or 60? 15 x 5" or 15 x 6"?

Thanks much!
Jake Jacobsen

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Erik,</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The ONLY tire I would think of using with wire wheel=
s, and ONLY the 72 spoke Daytons with the heavy spokes, would be the old st=
yle, skinny vintage Dunlop bias plys.&nbsp; Modern, uber sticky radia race =
rubber like the Hoosier Speedsters is a
 recipe for trouble.&nbsp; None of the front running TRs that I know of are=
 running wire wheels.&nbsp; There are very good reasons for this.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just my humble opinion after 20 years of taking care=
 of Jeff=92s TR3=85</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Terry Stetler</p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, July 27, 2022 8:28 AM<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>[Fot] TR-3 race tires and wheels</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 together =
so I can race it in the Kastner Cup next year at RA (she'll race her TR-6),=
 and I am looking for some insight on wire wheel
 sizes people are using. I will be running wires likely with Hoosier Speeds=
ters, and am curious what others are using. 72 spoke, or 60? 15 x 5&quot; o=
r 15 x 6&quot;?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks much!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Jake Jacobsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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From: Steven Belfer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 15:14:11 -0700

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Don=E2=80=99t do it!!

~Steve

> On Jul 27, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Terry Stetler via Fot <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> =20
> Erik,
> =20
> The ONLY tire I would think of using with wire wheels, and ONLY the 72 spo=
ke Daytons with the heavy spokes, would be the old style, skinny vintage Dun=
lop bias plys.  Modern, uber sticky radia race rubber like the Hoosier Speed=
sters is a recipe for trouble.  None of the front running TRs that I know of=
 are running wire wheels.  There are very good reasons for this.
> =20
> Just my humble opinion after 20 years of taking care of Jeff=E2=80=99s TR3=
=E2=80=A6
> =20
> Terry Stetler
> =20
> =20
> Sent from Mail for Windows
> =20
> From: Erik Jacobsen via Fot
> To: FOT Triumph
> =20
> Triumph racers,=20
> Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 together so I can race it in the K=
astner Cup next year at RA (she'll race her TR-6), and I am looking for some=
 insight on wire wheel sizes people are using. I will be running wires likel=
y with Hoosier Speedsters, and am curious what others are using. 72 spoke, o=
r 60? 15 x 5" or 15 x 6"?=20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
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r">~Steve<div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
>On Jul 27, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Terry Stetler via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&g=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Erik,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The ONLY tire I would think of using with wire wheels=
, and ONLY the 72 spoke Daytons with the heavy spokes, would be the old styl=
e, skinny vintage Dunlop bias plys.&nbsp; Modern, uber sticky radia race rub=
ber like the Hoosier Speedsters is a
 recipe for trouble.&nbsp; None of the front running TRs that I know of are r=
unning wire wheels.&nbsp; There are very good reasons for this.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just my humble opinion after 20 years of taking care o=
f Jeff=E2=80=99s TR3=E2=80=A6</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Terry Stetler</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Erik Jacobsen via Fot</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, July 27, 2022 8:28 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">FOT Triumph</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Fot] TR-3 race tires and wheels</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif">Triumph racers,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,sans-serif">Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 together so=
 I can race it in the Kastner Cup next year at RA (she'll race her TR-6), an=
d I am looking for some insight on wire wheel
 sizes people are using. I will be running wires likely with Hoosier Speedst=
ers, and am curious what others are using. 72 spoke, or 60? 15 x 5" or 15 x 6=
"?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
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I run the 15x6 revolution wheels with 205 Toyos=20

Sent from my iPhone

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oyos&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 27, 2022, at 5:05 PM, Terry Stetler vi=
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From: Brad Eells via Fot <[email-masked]>
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Erik,

I can=E2=80=99t speak to all the various vintage racing group rules but SCCA=
 banned wire wheels in road racing in the 1960=E2=80=99s.=20

Most vintage groups use the 1972 SCCA GCR as their guiding rule set.=20

On a personal note, I don=E2=80=99t think I would put wire wheels on the tra=
ck whether or not they are permitted.

Brad Eells
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Erik,<div><br></div><div>I can=E2=80=99t sp=
eak to all the various vintage racing group rules but SCCA banned wire wheel=
s in road racing in the 1960=E2=80=99s.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Most v=
intage groups use the 1972 SCCA GCR as their guiding rule set.&nbsp;</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>On a personal note, I don=E2=80=99t think I would put wire=
 wheels on the track whether or not they are permitted.</div><div><br><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Brad Eells<div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 27, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Terry Stetler via Fo=
t &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote ty=
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From: DAVE HOGYE via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 16:01:22 -0700 (PDT)

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I have a friend that has raced a TR2 LeMans replica out here on the west co=
ast for a long time.  I think he runs 5" rims, 60 and 72 spoke and they are=
 always breaking spokes.  He always runs the skinny vintage Dunlops or Hoos=
ier Vintage TDs too.  He also drives at a less aggressive pace, usually 3/4=
 pack.  I've lapped him a couple different times in my TR3. =20
The wires have a .090" runout spec as acceptable.  I think I got that spec =
from Moss Motors.  That's a lot.  So don't expect them ever to be vibration=
 free.  They do look awesome and of course period correct, but to me, the c=
ontinuous maintenance is not worth the cost and effort.
Dave H.=20

>     On 07/27/2022 2:36 PM Terry Stetler via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>     Erik,
>=20
>=20
>     The ONLY tire I would think of using with wire wheels, and ONLY the 7=
2 spoke Daytons with the heavy spokes, would be the old style, skinny vinta=
ge Dunlop bias plys.  Modern, uber sticky radia race rubber like the Hoosie=
r Speedsters is a recipe for trouble.  None of the front running TRs that I=
 know of are running wire wheels.  There are very good reasons for this.
>=20
>=20
>     Just my humble opinion after 20 years of taking care of Jeff=E2=80=99=
s TR3=E2=80=A6
>=20
>=20
>     Terry Stetler
>=20
>=20
>=20
>     Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986 for W=
indows
>=20
>=20
>     From: Erik Jacobsen via Fot mailto:[email-masked]
>     To: FOT Triumph mailto:[email-masked]
>     Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 together so I can race it in =
the Kastner Cup next year at RA (she'll race her TR-6), and I am looking fo=
r some insight on wire wheel sizes people are using. I will be running wire=
s likely with Hoosier Speedsters, and am curious what others are using. 72 =
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   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I have a friend=
 that has raced a TR2 LeMans replica out here on the west coast for a long =
time.&nbsp; I think he runs 5" rims, 60 and 72 spoke and they are always br=
eaking spokes.&nbsp; He always runs the skinny vintage Dunlops or Hoosier V=
intage TDs too.&nbsp; He also drives at a less aggressive pace, usually 3/4=
 pack.&nbsp; I've lapped him a couple different times in my TR3.&nbsp;&nbsp=
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a .090" runout spec as acceptable.&nbsp; I think I got that spec from Moss =
Motors.&nbsp; That's a lot.&nbsp; So don't expect them ever to be vibration=
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the continuous maintenance is not worth the cost and effort.</span>
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The ONLY tire I would think of using with wire w=
heels, and ONLY the 72 spoke Daytons with the heavy spokes, would be the ol=
d style, skinny vintage Dunlop bias plys.&nbsp; Modern, uber sticky radia r=
ace rubber like the Hoosier Speedsters is a recipe for trouble.&nbsp; None =
of the front running TRs that I know of are running wire wheels.&nbsp; Ther=
e are very good reasons for this.</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just my humble opinion after 20 years of taking =
care of Jeff=E2=80=99s TR3=E2=80=A6</p>
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Terry Stetler</p>
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rom: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Erik Jacobsen via Fot</=
a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Wednesday, July 27, 2022 8:28 AM<br><strong>To=
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:=
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:=
 'Helvetica',sans-serif;">Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 together =
so I can race it in the Kastner Cup next year at RA (she'll race her TR-6),=
 and I am looking for some insight on wire wheel sizes people are using. I =
will be running wires likely with Hoosier Speedsters, and am curious what o=
thers are using. 72 spoke, or 60? 15 x 5" or 15 x 6"?&nbsp;</span></p>
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 'Helvetica',sans-serif;">Jake Jacobsen</span></p>
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Oh, and one more thing, spoked wheels use an inner tube.  Most tire places =
won't touch them.  They'd be much more desirable if they were tubeless.  Tu=
bes are a total pain in the...neck.
Dave H

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e thing, spoked wheels use an inner tube.&nbsp; Most tire places won't touc=
h them.&nbsp; They'd be much more desirable if they were tubeless.&nbsp; Tu=
bes are a total pain in the...neck.</span>
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Here's Kas pushing those spokes hard in the 50's!

https://www.kaskastner.com/images/historical/sb_1959.jpg

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM DAVE HOGYE via Fot <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Oh, and one more thing, spoked wheels use an inner tube.  Most tire place=
s
> won't touch them.  They'd be much more desirable if they were tubeless.
> Tubes are a total pain in the...neck.
> Dave H
>
> On 07/27/2022 2:36 PM Terry Stetler via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Erik,
>
>
> The ONLY tire I would think of using with wire wheels, and ONLY the 72
> spoke Daytons with the heavy spokes, would be the old style, skinny vinta=
ge
> Dunlop bias plys.  Modern, uber sticky radia race rubber like the Hoosier
> Speedsters is a recipe for trouble.  None of the front running TRs that I
> Just my humble opinion after 20 years of taking care of Jeff=E2=80=99s TR=
3=E2=80=A6
>
>
> Terry Stetler
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for
> Windows
>
>
> *From: *Erik Jacobsen via Fot <[email-masked]>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 27, 2022 8:28 AM
> *To: *FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
> *Subject: *[Fot] TR-3 race tires and wheels
>
>
> Triumph racers,
>
> Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 together so I can race it in the
> Kastner Cup next year at RA (she'll race her TR-6), and I am looking for
> some insight on wire wheel sizes people are using. I will be running wire=
s
> likely with Hoosier Speedsters, and am curious what others are using. 72
> spoke, or 60? 15 x 5" or 15 x 6"?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks much!
>
> Jake Jacobsen
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Here&#39;s Kas pushing those spokes hard in the 50&#39;s!<=
div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.kaskastner.com/images/historical/=
sb_1959.jpg">https://www.kaskastner.com/images/historical/sb_1959.jpg</a></=
div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM DAVE HOGY=
E via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></=
u>

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:rgb(51,51,51)">
   <span style=3D"font-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt">Oh, and one more th=
ing, spoked wheels use an inner tube.=C2=A0 Most tire places won&#39;t touc=
h them.=C2=A0 They&#39;d be much more desirable if they were tubeless.=C2=
=A0 Tubes are a total pain in the...neck.</span>
   <br>
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color=
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    On 07/27/2022 2:36 PM Terry Stetler via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Erik,</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The ONLY tire I would think of using with wire w=
heels, and ONLY the 72 spoke Daytons with the heavy spokes, would be the ol=
d style, skinny vintage Dunlop bias plys.=C2=A0 Modern, uber sticky radia r=
ace rubber like the Hoosier Speedsters is a recipe for trouble.=C2=A0 None =
of the front running TRs that I know of are running wire wheels.=C2=A0 Ther=
e are very good reasons for this.</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just my humble opinion after 20 years of taking =
care of Jeff=E2=80=99s TR3=E2=80=A6</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Terry Stetler</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fw=
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     <p style=3D"border:none;padding:0in" class=3D"MsoNormal"><strong>From:=
 </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Erik Jaco=
bsen via Fot</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Wednesday, July 27, 2022 8:28 AM=
<br><strong>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">FOT Triumph</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>[Fot] TR-3 race tires an=
d wheels</p>
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etica,sans-serif">Triumph racers,=C2=A0</span></p>
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      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helv=
etica,sans-serif">Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 together so I can=
 race it in the Kastner Cup next year at RA (she&#39;ll race her TR-6), and=
 I am looking for some insight on wire wheel sizes people are using. I will=
 be running wires likely with Hoosier Speedsters, and am curious what other=
s are using. 72 spoke, or 60? 15 x 5&quot; or 15 x 6&quot;?=C2=A0</span></p=
     </div>
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etica,sans-serif">Thanks much!</span></p>
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The 72's are too heavy and will definitely slow you down, so absolutely go =
with the 60's otherwise you're cheating, Jacobsen.

Henry Morrison
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[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 6:24 AM
To: FOT Triumph <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 race tires and wheels

Triumph racers,

Thanks much!
Jake Jacobsen

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The 72's are too heavy and will definitely slow you down, so absolutely go =
with the 60's otherwise you're cheating, Jacobsen.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2022 6:24 AM<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Triumph racers,&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 together so I can =
race it in the Kastner Cup next year at RA (she'll race her TR-6), and I am=
 looking for some insight on wire wheel sizes people are using. I will be r=
unning wires likely with Hoosier Speedsters,
 and am curious what others are using. 72 spoke, or 60? 15 x 5&quot; or 15 =
x 6&quot;?&nbsp;</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks much!</div>
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Well, I forgot about two really fast Baby Doll Morgans that have always run=
 wires and finish at the front of the pack regularly.  Wires are still popu=
lar at the Goodwood event too.=20
Dave H.

>     On 07/27/2022 7:04 PM Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>     Run the wires if you wish ( I think it=E2=80=99s great ) , but would =
suggest the Hoosier vintage TD .
>     500-15 & 550 -15=20
>=20
>     They slide around a bit/ fairly period correct.
>     After each on track session - run your finger around each wheel over =
the spokes. You=E2=80=99ll know when there=E2=80=99s a broken one.
>     I=E2=80=99ve raced a number of cars on wires .
>=20
>     Good luck
>     Tony Garmey
>=20
>     Sent from my iPhone
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>         > > On Jul 27, 2022, at 5:43 PM, Brad Eells via Fot <[email-masked]=
am.net> wrote:
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> >         I can=E2=80=99t speak to all the various vintage racing group r=
ules but SCCA banned wire wheels in road racing in the 1960=E2=80=99s.=20
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> >         Most vintage groups use the 1972 SCCA GCR as their guiding rule=
 set.=20
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> >         On a personal note, I don=E2=80=99t think I would put wire whee=
ls on the track whether or not they are permitted.
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> >         Brad Eells
> >         Sent from my iPhone
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> >             > > > On Jul 27, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Terry Stetler via Fot <f=
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> > >             Erik,
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> > >             The ONLY tire I would think of using with wire wheels, an=
d ONLY the 72 spoke Daytons with the heavy spokes, would be the old style, =
skinny vintage Dunlop bias plys.  Modern, uber sticky radia race rubber lik=
e the Hoosier Speedsters is a recipe for trouble.  None of the front runnin=
g TRs that I know of are running wire wheels.  There are very good reasons =
for this.
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> > >             Just my humble opinion after 20 years of taking care of J=
eff=E2=80=99s TR3=E2=80=A6
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> > >             Terry Stetler
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> > >             Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D=
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> > >             Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 together so I can=
 race it in the Kastner Cup next year at RA (she'll race her TR-6), and I a=
m looking for some insight on wire wheel sizes people are using. I will be =
running wires likely with Hoosier Speedsters, and am curious what others ar=
e using. 72 spoke, or 60? 15 x 5" or 15 x 6"?=20
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   <span style=3D"font-family: helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Well, I forgot =
about two really fast Baby Doll Morgans that have always run wires and fini=
sh at the front of the pack regularly.&nbsp; Wires are still popular at the=
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    On 07/27/2022 7:04 PM Tony and Annie Garmey via Fot &lt;[email-masked].=
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   </div>Run the wires if you wish ( I think it=E2=80=99s great ) , but wou=
ld suggest the Hoosier vintage TD .
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    500-15 &amp; 550 -15&nbsp;
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    They slide around a bit/ fairly period correct.
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    After each on track session - run your finger around each wheel over th=
e spokes. You=E2=80=99ll know when there=E2=80=99s a broken one.
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    I=E2=80=99ve raced a number of cars on wires .
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    Good luck
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t&gt; wrote:
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      Erik,
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       I can=E2=80=99t speak to all the various vintage racing group rules =
but SCCA banned wire wheels in road racing in the 1960=E2=80=99s.&nbsp;
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       Most vintage groups use the 1972 SCCA GCR as their guiding rule set.=
&nbsp;
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       On a personal note, I don=E2=80=99t think I would put wire wheels on=
 the track whether or not they are permitted.
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        Brad Eells
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         Sent from my iPhone
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         On Jul 27, 2022, at 2:54 PM, Terry Stetler via Fot &lt;[email-masked]=
eam.net&gt; wrote:
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          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Erik,</p>
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          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The ONLY tire I would think of using with =
wire wheels, and ONLY the 72 spoke Daytons with the heavy spokes, would be =
the old style, skinny vintage Dunlop bias plys.&nbsp; Modern, uber sticky r=
adia race rubber like the Hoosier Speedsters is a recipe for trouble.&nbsp;=
 None of the front running TRs that I know of are running wire wheels.&nbsp=
; There are very good reasons for this.</p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just my humble opinion after 20 years of t=
aking care of Jeff=E2=80=99s TR3=E2=80=A6</p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Terry Stetler</p>
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          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.=
com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986"> Mail</a> for Windows</p>
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           <p style=3D"border: none; padding: 0in;" class=3D"MsoNormal"><st=
rong>From: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Erik Jacobsen via=
 Fot</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Wednesday, July 27, 2022 8:28 AM<br><str=
ong>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">FOT Triumph</a><br><=
strong>Subject: </strong>[Fot] TR-3 race tires and wheels</p>
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-f=
amily: 'Helvetica',sans-serif;">Triumph racers,&nbsp;</span></p>
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-f=
amily: 'Helvetica',sans-serif;">Karen and I are looking to get our TR-3 tog=
ether so I can race it in the Kastner Cup next year at RA (she'll race her =
TR-6), and I am looking for some insight on wire wheel sizes people are usi=
ng. I will be running wires likely with Hoosier Speedsters, and am curious =
what others are using. 72 spoke, or 60? 15 x 5" or 15 x 6"?&nbsp;</span></p=
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-f=
amily: 'Helvetica',sans-serif;">Thanks much!</span></p>
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amily: 'Helvetica',sans-serif;">Jake Jacobsen</span></p>
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