Subject: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

From: Philip Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 15:07:20 -0400

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Time to get the radiator flushed.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
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> I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 d=
egree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in ther=
e since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I heated=
 the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare=
 day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to prolo=
nged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when running for p=
rolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quickly r=
each +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds=
 of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two the temps had=
 dropped back to between 210 and 220.
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> Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altoge=
ther?
> =20
> Dave Riddle
> Business IT Consulting
> Office: 480-610-8234
> eMail: [email-masked]
> Website: http://www.microworks.net
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oNormal">I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a ne=
w 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been i=
n there since the 1990s.&nbsp; The old one I put in a pot and saw it open wh=
en I heated the water but It is still suspect.&nbsp; Here in the Phoenix are=
a it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps l=
eading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that whe=
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From: Chris Marx via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 21:16:36 +0200

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Yeah, that was my thought.

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Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.

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Cheers

Chris

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Von: Fot <[email-masked]> Im Auftrag von Philip Gott via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07
An: Dave Riddle <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

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On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <[email-masked] =

=EF=BB=BF

I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 =
degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in =
there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when =
I heated the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it =
is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps =
leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed =
that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 =
RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway =
and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go =
streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between =
210 and 220.

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Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one =
altogether?

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Dave Riddle

Business IT Consulting

Office: 480-610-8234

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class=3DMsoNormal>Besides that, I use a thermostat in my =
TR4.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
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lang=3DDE> Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Im Auftrag von =
</b>Philip Gott via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 =
21:07<br><b>An:</b> Dave Riddle =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to =
thermostat...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Time to get the radiator =
flushed.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle =
via Fot &lt;<a =
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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have =
the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degree =
thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there =
since the 1990s.&nbsp; The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I =
heated the water but It is still suspect.&nbsp; Here in the Phoenix area =
it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient =
temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had =
noticed that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at =
3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the =
Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go =
streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between =
210 and 220.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just =
ditching one altogether?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://www.microworks.net/"><span =
style=3D'text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></a></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:blue'><a =
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pan></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Dave =
Riddle</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Business IT =
Consulting<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Office: =
480-610-8234<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>eMail: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></p=
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:18:12 -0700

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From: Chris Marx via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 21:25:10 +0200

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Somehow your radiator system is inefficient.

My TR4 temperature is nailed to 185F and don=E2=80=99t move away =
from=E2=80=A6range maybe from 180 to 190.

I use:

*	Good aluminum radiator
*	Blocked small circuit
*	Automatic bleeding system
*	7 blade pump
*	Smaller drive pulley to lower water pump speed=20

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Von: Dave Riddle <[email-masked]>=20
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:18
An: [email-masked]; 'Philip Gott' <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Betreff: RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

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Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses=20

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To: 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle
Subject: AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

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Cheers

Chris

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> Im Auftrag von Philip Gott via Fot

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Sent from my iPhone

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Office: 480-610-8234

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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Somehow your radiator system =
is inefficient.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My TR4 temperature is =
nailed to 185F and don=E2=80=99t move away from=E2=80=A6range maybe from =
180 to 190.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I use:<o:p></o:p></p><ul =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm' type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Good aluminum =
radiator<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Blocked small =
circuit<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Automatic bleeding =
system<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>7 blade =
pump<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Smaller drive pulley =
to lower water pump speed <o:p></o:p></li></ul><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span =
lang=3DDE> Dave Riddle &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Gesendet:</b> =
Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:18<br><b>An:</b> [email-masked]; =
'Philip Gott' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Betreff:</b> RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to =
thermostat...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all =
new hoses <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
[<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]<=
/a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2022 12:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:<=
/b> AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to =
thermostat...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yeah, that =
was my thought.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Besides =
that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span =
lang=3DDE> Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Philip Gott via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> =
Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07<br><b>An:</b> Dave Riddle &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:=
</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Betreff:<=
/b> Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to =
thermostat...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Time to get the radiator =
flushed.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle =
via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have =
the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degree =
thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there =
since the 1990s.&nbsp; The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I =
heated the water but It is still suspect.&nbsp; Here in the Phoenix area =
it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient =
temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had =
noticed that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at =
3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the =
Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go =
streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between =
210 and 220.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just =
ditching one altogether?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:blue'><a href=3D"http://www.microworks.net/"><span =
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class=3DMsoHyperlink><span =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Dave Riddle</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Business IT Consulting<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Office: 480-610-8234<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>eMail: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></p=
href=3D"http://www.microworks.net/">http://www.microworks.net</a><o:p></o=
:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://partner.microsoft.com/en-US/"><span =
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n></a><span class=3DMsoHyperlink><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></span>=
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href=3D"https://www.acronis.com/en-us/"><span =
style=3D'text-decoration:none'>&lt;image003.png&gt;</span></a><span =
class=3DMsoHyperlink><span =
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class=3DMsoHyperlink><span =
style=3D'text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p></div>=
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href=3D"https://www.citycommunications.com/"><span =
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n></a><span class=3DMsoHyperlink><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><o:p></o:p></span></span>=
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class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:27:44 -0500

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Radiator shroud intact?  That's kind of vital.

Regards, Tony

On 6/10/2022 2:25 PM, Chris Marx via Fot wrote:
> My TR4 temperature is nailed to 185F and don’t move away from…range 
> maybe from 180 to 190.
>
> I use:
>
>   * Good aluminum radiator
>   * Blocked small circuit
>   * Smaller drive pulley to lower water pump speed
>
> *Von:*Dave Riddle <[email-masked]>
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:18
> *An:* [email-masked]; 'Philip Gott' <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Betreff:* RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
>
> Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses
>
> *From:[email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked] 
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 12:17 PM
> *To:* 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
>
> *Von:*Fot <[email-masked]> *Im Auftrag von *Philip Gott 
> via Fot
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07
> *An:* Dave Riddle <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Betreff:* Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...
>
>     On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot
>     <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>     
>
>     I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a
>     new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one
>     that has been in there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a
>     pot and saw it open when I heated the water but It is still
>     suspect. Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare day that we
>     really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to
>     prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that
>     when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500
>     RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the
>     Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop
>     and Go streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped
>     back to between 210 and 220.
>
>     Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching
>     one altogether?
>
>     *Dave Riddle*
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    <p>Radiator shroud intact?  That's kind of vital.</p>
    <p>Regards, Tony<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/10/2022 2:25 PM, Chris Marx via
      Fot wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Somehow your radiator system is
          inefficient.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">My TR4 temperature is nailed to 185F and
          don’t move away from…range maybe from 180 to 190.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I use:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
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            aluminum radiator<o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span
                lang="DE"> Dave Riddle <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <br>
                <b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:18<br>
                <b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; 'Philip Gott'
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
                <b>Betreff:</b> RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to
                thermostat...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Brand new
            Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"> <a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>
                [<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2022 12:17 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to
                thermostat...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Yeah, that was my thought.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Chris<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span
                lang="DE"> Fot &lt;<a
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                <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Philip Gott via Fot<br>
                <b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07<br>
                <b>An:</b> Dave Riddle &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a><br>
                <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to
                thermostat...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Time to get
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Jun 10,
              2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true"
                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">I have the thermostat housing open
              right now and have obtained a new 180 degree thermostat to
              replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there
              since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it
              open when I heated the water but It is still suspect. 
              Here in the Phoenix area it is the rare day that we really
              need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to
              prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed
              that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds
              (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and
              if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street
              speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a
              mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and
              220.<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Should I look at using a 160 degree
              thermostat or just ditching one altogether?<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Dave
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Business IT Consulting<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Office: 480-610-8234<o:p></o:p></p>
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On the photo you see the ready to race configuration.

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Cheers

Chris

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Regards, Tony

I use:

1.	Good aluminum radiator
2.	Blocked small circuit
3.	Automatic bleeding system
4.	7 blade pump
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style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>I disagree on this, I =
never ran a shroud. Certainly it does help=E2=80=A6.but my cooling =
system is so over the top that I need to run a thermostat to get it to =
operation temperature or I see 160F.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>On the photo you see =
the ready to race configuration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:windowtext'>Von:</span></b><span lang=3DDE =
style=3D'color:windowtext'> Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Im =
Auftrag von </b>Tony Drews via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 10. Juni =
2022 21:28<br><b>An:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] =
To thermostat or not to =
thermostat...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>Radiator shroud intact?&nbsp; =
That's kind of vital.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Regards, =
Tony<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 6/10/2022 2:25 PM, Chris =
Marx via Fot wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Somehow your radiator system is =
inefficient.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My TR4 temperature is =
nailed to 185F and don=E2=80=99t move away from=E2=80=A6range maybe from =
180 to 190.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I use:<o:p></o:p></p><ol =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm' start=3D1 type=3D1><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Good aluminum =
radiator<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Blocked small =
circuit<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Automatic bleeding =
system<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>7 blade =
pump<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'>Smaller drive pulley =
to lower water pump speed <o:p></o:p></li></ol><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
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lang=3DDE> Dave Riddle <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> =
<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:18<br><b>An:</b> <a =
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'Philip Gott' <a =
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b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Betreff:<=
/b> RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to =
thermostat...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all =
new hoses </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
[<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]<=
/a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2022 12:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:<=
/b> AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to =
thermostat...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yeah, that =
was my thought.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Besides =
that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span =
lang=3DDE> Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Philip Gott via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> =
Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07<br><b>An:</b> Dave Riddle &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:=
</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Betreff:<=
/b> Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to =
thermostat...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Time to get the radiator =
flushed.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle =
via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have =
the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degree =
thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there =
since the 1990s.&nbsp; The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I =
heated the water but It is still suspect.&nbsp; Here in the Phoenix area =
it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient =
temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had =
noticed that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at =
3500 RPM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the =
Freeway and moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go =
streetlights within a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between =
210 and 220.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just =
ditching one altogether?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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No, you should block off the overflow hose first as others have said.=C2=A0=
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I recently upgraded to this Griffin radiator.  Stands straight up and with
a couple of easy to fab brackets, it mounts to the OEM radiator mounts,
which is a common vintage rule. It's a shorter version of the circle track
style.
Bob Kramer

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wrote:

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> *Von:* Fot <[email-masked]> *Im Auftrag von *Philip Gott via
> Fot
> On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
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> I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180
> degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in
> there since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I
> heated the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is
> the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leadi=
ng
> to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when
> running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps
> would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at
> surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a
> mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.
>
>
>
> Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one
> altogether?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I recently upgraded to this Griffin radiator.=C2=A0 Stands=
 straight=C2=A0up and with a couple of easy to fab brackets, it mounts to t=
he OEM radiator mounts, which=C2=A0is a common vintage rule. It&#39;s a sho=
rter version of the circle track style.<div><img src=3D"cid:ii_l48x8osw0" a=
lt=3D"image.png" width=3D"472" height=3D"245"><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:19 PM Dave =
Riddle via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"gmai=
l-m_3252878072588223725WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
color:rgb(31,73,125)">Brand new Aluminum Radiator from Wizard and all new h=
oses <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-rig=
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nk">[email-masked]</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2022 12=
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ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><b=
r><b>Subject:</b> AW: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><=
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=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Besides that,=
 I use a thermostat in my TR4.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
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b>Im Auftrag von </b>Philip Gott via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 10. J=
uni 2022 21:07<br><b>An:</b> Dave Riddle &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Dave@microwo=
rks.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br=
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/u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p=
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flushed.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<u=
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, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></blo=
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p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I h=
ave the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 degre=
e thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in there s=
ince the 1990s.=C2=A0 The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I hea=
ted the water but It is still suspect.=C2=A0 Here in the Phoenix area it is=
 the rare day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leadin=
g to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when ru=
nning for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps wou=
ld quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface =
Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two=
 the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.<u></u><u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Should I lo=
ok at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altogether?<u></u>=
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I run a 180 thermostat with a plastic or Teflon restrictor that has I think a 3/8" hole in it in the bypass line to mimic the standard bellows thermostat's restriction.  Aluminum radiator, standard water pump and pulley sizes.  I'd would like to have a smaller crank pulley to slow the pump and alternator.  I use an expansion tank that fills the system and circulates coolant using the heater connections at the back of the head and return tube.  No filler cap on the radiator.  Temps typically around 190.  Both water and oil.  Street or race.
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Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:16:26 -0700

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Ah that may work but there is more than one reason to run a shroud.  You do=
 not want any more air than necessary under the hood.  It has to find an ex=
it out, no small task, and it produces drag among other things.  If you use=
 a well-designed shroud you can then tape the nose on a very cold race day =
to bring temps up and to reduce drag even more.  It=E2=80=99s the way they =
do it on all modern race cars, only enough air in for systems, no more.  On=
 my TR I pick up the air for carbs through a K&N air filter inside the shro=
ud (behind grill) and in front of radiator.  You get cold air to Weber=E2=
=80=99s through filter, down the air pipe and into a sealed plenum box for =
the carbs.  Have run this setup at well over 100 F with no overheating.

Ken

From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:35 PM
To: 'Tony Drews' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

I disagree on this, I never ran a shroud. Certainly it does help=E2=80=A6.b=
ut my cooling system is so over the top that I need to run a thermostat to =
get it to operation temperature or I see 160F.

Cheers

Chris

Im Auftrag von Tony Drews via Fot
Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:28
Betreff: Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...

Regards, Tony

My TR4 temperature is nailed to 185F and don=E2=80=99t move away from=E2=80=
=A6range maybe from 180 to 190.

I use:

1.	Good aluminum radiator
2.	Blocked small circuit
3.	Automatic bleeding system
4.	7 blade pump
5.	Smaller drive pulley to lower water pump speed 

[email-masked]] 

Cheers

Chris

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot <[email-masked] <mailt=
o:[email-masked]> > wrote:

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I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtained a new 180 de=
gree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that has been in ther=
e since the 1990s.  The old one I put in a pot and saw it open when I heate=
d the water but It is still suspect.  Here in the Phoenix area it is the ra=
re day that we really need to be concerned with ambient temps leading to pr=
olonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had noticed that when running f=
or prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 RPM) the temps would quic=
kly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and moved at surface Street =
speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights within a mile or two the te=
mps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.

Should I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altoget=
her?

Dave Riddle

Business IT Consulting

Office: 480-610-8234

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day to bring temps up and to reduce drag even more.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s the =
way they do it on all modern race cars, only enough air in for systems, no =
more.=C2=A0 On my TR I pick up the air for carbs through a K&amp;N air filt=
er inside the shroud (behind grill) and in front of radiator.=C2=A0 You get=
 cold air to Weber=E2=80=99s through filter, down the air pipe and into a s=
ealed plenum box for the carbs.=C2=A0 Have run this setup at well over 100 =
F with no overheating.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'color:windowtext'>Ken<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div sty=
le=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><=
span style=3D'color:windowtext'> Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>=
On Behalf Of </b>Chris Marx via Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2022 1=
2:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Tony Drews' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]=
am.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...<o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:windowtext'>I disagree on this, I =
never ran a shroud. Certainly it does help=E2=80=A6.but my cooling system i=
s so over the top that I need to run a thermostat to get it to operation te=
mperature or I see 160F.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'color:windowtext'>On the photo you see the ready to race conf=
iguration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:w=
indowtext'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'=
color:windowtext'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'color:windowtext'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'color:windowtext'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=
=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE style=3D'color:windowtext'>Von:</spa=
n></b><span lang=3DDE style=3D'color:windowtext'> Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>Im Auftr=
ag von </b>Tony Drews via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21=
:28<br><b>An:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>R=
adiator shroud intact?&nbsp; That's kind of vital.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Regards=
, Tony<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 6/10/2022 2:25 PM, Chris =
Marx via Fot wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0=
pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal>Somehow your radiator system i=
s inefficient.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My TR4 temperature is nai=
led to 185F and don=E2=80=99t move away from=E2=80=A6range maybe from 180 t=
o 190.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I use:<o:p></o:p></p><ol style=3D=
'margin-top:0in' start=3D1 type=3D1><li class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'm=
argin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>Good aluminum radiator<o:p></o:p></=
li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1=
 lfo3'>Blocked small circuit<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph st=
yle=3D'margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>Automatic bleeding system<o=
:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'margin-left:0in;mso-lis=
t:l1 level1 lfo3'>7 blade pump<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>Smaller drive pulley to l=
ower water pump speed <o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;pad=
ding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DDE> Dave Riddle <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt=
;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21=
:18<br><b>An:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tr4racing@goo=
glemail.com</a>; 'Philip Gott' <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;vfra=
[email-masked]&gt;</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fo=
[email-masked]</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> RE: [Fot] To thermostat or not to t=
hermostat...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Brand new A=
luminum Radiator from Wizard and all new hoses </span><o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><d=
iv><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0=
in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
>mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 202=
2 12:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Philip Gott'; Dave Riddle<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> AW=
: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yeah, th=
at was my thought.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Besides that, I use a thermostat in my TR4.<o:p></o:p>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div st=
yle=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in=
'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span lang=3DDE> F=
ot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
=2Enet</a>&gt; <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Philip Gott via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b=
> Freitag, 10. Juni 2022 21:07<br><b>An:</b> Dave Riddle &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re=
: [Fot] To thermostat or not to thermostat...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Time to get the radiator flushed.<o:p></o:p></p><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><blockquot=
e style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Dave Riddle via Fot =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=
<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;mar=
gin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal>I have the thermostat housing open right now and have obtaine=
d a new 180 degree thermostat to replace the 180 degree Motorad one that ha=
s been in there since the 1990s.&nbsp; The old one I put in a pot and saw i=
t open when I heated the water but It is still suspect.&nbsp; Here in the P=
hoenix area it is the rare day that we really need to be concerned with amb=
ient temps leading to prolonged engine warm up conditions. Lately I had not=
iced that when running for prolonged times at Freeway speeds (+75 at 3500 R=
PM) the temps would quickly reach +230 and if I jumped off the Freeway and =
moved at surface Street speeds of 45 even with Stop and Go streetlights wit=
hin a mile or two the temps had dropped back to between 210 and 220.<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Shou=
ld I look at using a 160 degree thermostat or just ditching one altogether?=
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'color:blue'><a href=3D"http://www.microworks.net/"><=
span style=3D'text-decoration:none'>&lt;image001.jpg&gt;</span></a></span><=
o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Dave Riddle</span></b><o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Business IT Consulting<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal>Office: 480-610-8234<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>eMail: <a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Website: <a href=3D"http://www.microworks.net/">http:/=
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https://partner.microsoft.com/en-US/"><span style=3D'color:windowtext;text-=
decoration:none'>&lt;image002.png&gt;</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><=
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