Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

From: Steven Belfer via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 12:10:33 -0700

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Whatever tires you got, remember, =E2=80=9Cto finish first, you must first f=
inish=E2=80=9D   =20

~Steve

> On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> At the four K Cups I have attended, and raced at, you could run your car a=
s eligible in your home club.  When I was K Cup Race Chair in 2019 at Button=
willow  VARA made it clear from the start that if your car was legal in your=
 club (tires and all) you would be allowed to run with us no questions asked=
.  VARA even extended that to our run groups and if you won, you won, no exc=
lusions for tires.  This sounds like a sensible way to race the K Cup and it=
 will not have an impact on who takes home the K Cup this year, tires and fi=
nishing place position have never dictated the winner.
> =20
> Ken
> =20
> Sent from Mail for Windows
> =20
> From: Chris Marx via Fot
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:59 AM
> To: 'Scott Janzen'; [email-masked]
> Cc: ''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
> =20
> Scott,
> =20
> I=E2=80=99m not familiar with the US rules of racing.
> On FIA racing they require period correct tires for vintage racing.
> Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and slicks for cars after that d=
ate.
> There are certainly racing series who have their own rules and allow slick=
s or semis licks for older cars but this are special rules and not the histo=
ric correct FIA rules.
> =20
> Now the problem:
> In K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all h=
ad different rules and different tires and brakes and modification regulatio=
ns.
> Means it is unfair by design as an old TR2 can=E2=80=99t hold up with a TR=
6 and a TR6 can=E2=80=99t compete with a prepped IMSA GTO TR8.
> They=E2=80=99re all different animals on different modification levels and=
 the outcome is for a good part predictable.
> =20
> I=E2=80=99m only a guest in your and run what I get told. I don=E2=80=99t b=
other about tires. It just needs 4 wheels to make me happy, nothing else.
> I don=E2=80=99t care about threads or not. I even drive on slicks in rain i=
f necessary.
> =20
> I don=E2=80=99t know if the tires are already ordered but if they=E2=80=99=
re slicks, we cut them to make them fitting the rules.
> If that not helps, we put WD40 on to make them slick.
> =20
> Cheers
> Chris
> =20
> =20
> =20
> Von: Scott Janzen <[email-masked]>=20
> Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 23:54
> An: [email-masked]
> Cc: Jason Sukey <[email-masked]>; Brian Dolan <[email-masked]>; 'Fri=
ends of Triumph' Triumph <[email-masked]>
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
> =20
> tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I under=
stand it.   VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have never=
 allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here.  However, it=E2=80=99=
s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech with treaded tir=
es, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sayin!  Tech is bas=
ically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we are supposed to be sel=
f-policing.  I think you=E2=80=99re seeing a pretty good reaction here becau=
se of the late timing of the announcement, and also because many of the Triu=
mph racers at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast cl=
ubs that require treaded tires.  It really does put the cars on an unequal f=
ooting (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks=
 will be significantly faster.  We all know ways we could make our cars fast=
er - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but that=E2=80=
=99s not vintage.
> I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event,=
 even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards.  I p=
ersonally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you=E2=80=99=
ve lost your bragging rights. =20
> Just my 2 cents.
> Scott
> =20
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
> =20
> Just a question.
> =20
> When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in=
 the K-Cup race.
> Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?
> =20
> Cheers
> Chris
> =20
> =20
> Von: Fot <[email-masked]> Im Auftrag von Jason Sukey via Fot
> Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49
> An: Brian Dolan <[email-masked]>
> Cc: Friends of Triumph <[email-masked]>
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations
> =20
> The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums du=
ring the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.
> Jason
> =20
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
> Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while set=
ting standards for who can podium.=20
> =20
> Am I missing something on that angle?=20
> =20
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
> Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typicall=
y requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this eve=
nt. =20
> =20
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
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>=20
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF=20
> Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup t=
his year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for th=
e 20th Kastner Cup!=20
> =20
> I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our grou=
p that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule=
 for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You can=
 also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligibl=
e for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire opt=
ions this will certainly help. =20
> =20
> So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, p=
lease consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race. =20
> =20
> Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, th=
e fee goes up to $645, so act now!
> 2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race (motorsportreg.com)
> =20
> Thanks.=20
> =20
> Curt Johnston=20
> Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair=20
> [email-masked]
> 707-249-1667=20
> =20
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<div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">~Steve<div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Ken Knight via Fot=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote typ=
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--></style><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">At the four K C=
ups I have attended, and raced at, you could run your car as eligible in you=
r home club.&nbsp; When I was K Cup Race Chair in 2019 at Buttonwillow &nbsp=
;VARA made it clear from the start that if your car was legal in your club (=
tires and all) you would be allowed to run with us no questions asked.&nbsp;=
 VARA even extended that to our run groups and if you won, you won, no exclu=
sions for tires.&nbsp; This sounds like a sensible way to race the K Cup and=
 it will not have an impact on who takes home the K Cup this year, tires and=
 finishing place position have never dictated the winner.</p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ken</p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https=
://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows</p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=3D"mso-element:para-border-d=
iv;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">Chris Marx via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, J=
une 28, 2022 8:59 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Scott J=
anzen'</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tr4racing@googlemail=
.com</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">''Friends of Tr=
iumph' Triumph'</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulation=
s</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"DE">Scott,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"DE"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m n=
ot familiar with the US rules of racing.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
">On FIA racing they require period correct tires for vintage racing.<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and=
 slicks for cars after that date.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There=
 are certainly racing series who have their own rules and allow slicks or se=
mis licks for older cars but this are special rules and not the historic cor=
rect FIA rules.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">Now the problem:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=
n K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all had d=
ifferent rules and different tires and brakes and modification regulations.<=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Means it is unfair by design as an old T=
R2 can=E2=80=99t hold up with a TR6 and a TR6 can=E2=80=99t compete with a p=
repped IMSA GTO TR8.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">They=E2=80=99re al=
l different animals on different modification levels and the outcome is for a=
 good part predictable.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m only a guest in your and run what I=
 get told. I don=E2=80=99t bother about tires. It just needs 4 wheels to mak=
e me happy, nothing else.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99=
t care about threads or not. I even drive on slicks in rain if necessary.<o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">I don=E2=80=99t know if the tires are already ordered but if they=E2=80=99=
re slicks, we cut them to make them fitting the rules.<o:p></o:p></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">If that not helps, we put WD40 on to make them slick.<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">C=
heers<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;bo=
rder-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><b><span lang=3D"DE">Von:</span></b><span lang=3D"DE"> Scott Janzen &lt;s=
[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 27. Juni 2022 23:54<br><b>An:=
</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> Jason Sukey &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;; Brian Dolan &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Re=
gulations<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">tire rules are generally per the sponsorin=
g club for the event, as I understand it. &nbsp; VRG (and PVGP, who I believ=
e uses the VRG tire rules) have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an=
 exception here. &nbsp;However, it=E2=80=99s not enforced, so cars have been=
 seen that go through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced w=
ith other tires - just sayin! &nbsp;Tech is basically a safety process, not a=
 rules enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing. &nbsp;I think you=E2=
=80=99re seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late timing of th=
e announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers at this event ru=
n a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs that require treaded ti=
res. &nbsp;It really does put the cars on an unequal footing (no pun intende=
d) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks will be significantly=
 faster. &nbsp;We all know ways we could make our cars faster - wider wheels=
, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - but that=E2=80=99s not vintage=
.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I for one am glad to see other i=
nteresting Triumphs show up for the event, even if SCCA prepared - just fact=
or the tires into who gets the awards. &nbsp;I personally feel that if you p=
odium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you=E2=80=99ve lost your bragging righ=
ts. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just my 2 cents.<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Scott<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot=
@autox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"DE">Just a question.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"DE">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on=
 slicks in the K-Cup race.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">H=
as the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed anymore?<o:p></o:p></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Chris<o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style=3D"border:none=
;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"DE">Von:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-converte=
d-space"><span lang=3D"DE">&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3D"DE">Fot &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>Im Auftrag von<span cl=
ass=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Jason Sukey via Fot<br><b>Ges=
endet:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Montag, 27. Jun=
i 2022 19:49<br><b>An:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span=
>Brian Dolan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fri=
ends of Triumph &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</spa=
n>Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for po=
diums during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.<o:p></o:p>=
</p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jason<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:=
p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #=
CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;ma=
rgin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"margin-left:4.8pt">Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people t=
o race, while setting standards for who can podium.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:4.8pt">&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-l=
eft:4.8pt">Am I missing something on that angle?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
/div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:4.8pt">&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:=
4.8pt">On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:sol=
id #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0p=
t;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" sty=
le=3D"margin-left:9.6pt">Not good news for those of us who consistently run v=
intage, which typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a s=
et of R7s for this event. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;m=
argin-left:9.6pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
e=3D"margin-left:9.6pt">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;=
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:9.6pt"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockq=
uote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-=
left:45.6pt">On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
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span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;=
color:#333333">Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the K=
astner Cup this year (39 as of today).&nbsp; But it would be great to be at 4=
0 or more for the 20th Kastner Cup!<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nb=
sp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
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n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#333333">I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some o=
f our group that typically run on slick tires.&nbsp; PVGP has modified the "=
no slicks" rule for Triumphs.&nbsp; You can run<span class=3D"apple-converte=
d-space">&nbsp;</span><strong><u><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&=
quot;,sans-serif">grooved slick tires</span></u></strong><span class=3D"appl=
e-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>in the Kastner Cup.&nbsp; You can also run t=
hese tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligible for any a=
wards for podium recognition.&nbsp; For those that don't have tire options t=
his will certainly help.&nbsp;<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</=
span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
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 class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
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What I painfully learned at Watkins Glen.

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Cheers

Chris

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Von: Fot <[email-masked]> Im Auftrag von Steven Belfer via =
Fot
Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juni 2022 21:11
An: fot@autox. team. net <[email-masked]>
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

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Whatever tires you got, remember, =E2=80=9Cto finish first, you must =
first finish=E2=80=9D   =20

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~Steve

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On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <[email-masked] =

=EF=BB=BF

At the four K Cups I have attended, and raced at, you could run your car =
as eligible in your home club.  When I was K Cup Race Chair in 2019 at =
Buttonwillow  VARA made it clear from the start that if your car was =
legal in your club (tires and all) you would be allowed to run with us =
no questions asked.  VARA even extended that to our run groups and if =
you won, you won, no exclusions for tires.  This sounds like a sensible =
way to race the K Cup and it will not have an impact on who takes home =
the K Cup this year, tires and finishing place position have never =
dictated the winner.

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Ken

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Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986>  for =
Windows

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Scott,

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Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and slicks for cars after that =
date.

There are certainly racing series who have their own rules and allow =
slicks or semis licks for older cars but this are special rules and not =
the historic correct FIA rules.

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Now the problem:

In K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all =
had different rules and different tires and brakes and modification =
regulations.

Means it is unfair by design as an old TR2 can=E2=80=99t hold up with a =
TR6 and a TR6 can=E2=80=99t compete with a prepped IMSA GTO TR8.

They=E2=80=99re all different animals on different modification levels =
and the outcome is for a good part predictable.

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I=E2=80=99m only a guest in your and run what I get told. I =
don=E2=80=99t bother about tires. It just needs 4 wheels to make me =
happy, nothing else.

I don=E2=80=99t care about threads or not. I even drive on slicks in =
rain if necessary.

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I don=E2=80=99t know if the tires are already ordered but if =
they=E2=80=99re slicks, we cut them to make them fitting the rules.

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Cheers

Chris

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tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I =
understand it.   VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) =
have never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here.  =
However, it=E2=80=99s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go =
through tech with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other =
tires - just sayin!  Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules =
enforcement - we are supposed to be self-policing.  I think =
you=E2=80=99re seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late =
timing of the announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers =
at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs =
that require treaded tires.  It really does put the cars on an unequal =
footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on =
slicks will be significantly faster.  We all know ways we could make our =
cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - =
but that=E2=80=99s not vintage.

I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the =
event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the =
awards.  I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on =
slicks, you=E2=80=99ve lost your bragging rights. =20

Just my 2 cents.

Scott

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On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <[email-masked] =

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Just a question.

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When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks =
in the K-Cup race.

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Cheers

Chris

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> Im Auftrag von Jason Sukey via Fot

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The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums =
during the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.

Jason

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On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <[email-masked] =

Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while =
setting standards for who can podium.=20

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On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked] =

Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which =
typically requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s =
for this event. =20

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On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <[email-masked] =

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Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup =
this year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more =
for the 20th Kastner Cup!=20

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I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our =
group that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no =
slicks" rule for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the =
Kastner Cup.  You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, =
but you will not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.  For =
those that don't have tire options this will certainly help. =20

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So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, =
please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race. =20

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the fee goes up to $645, so act now!

2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race =
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ttsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>  (motorsportreg.com)

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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>What I painfully learned at =
Watkins Glen.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span =
lang=3DDE> Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>Im Auftrag von =
</b>Steven Belfer via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 28. Juni 2022 =
21:11<br><b>An:</b> fot@autox. team. net =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire =
Regulations<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Whatever =
tires you got, remember, =E2=80=9Cto finish first, you must first =
finish=E2=80=9D &nbsp; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>~Steve<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Ken Knight =
via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>At the =
four K Cups I have attended, and raced at, you could run your car as =
eligible in your home club.&nbsp; When I was K Cup Race Chair in 2019 at =
Buttonwillow &nbsp;VARA made it clear from the start that if your car =
was legal in your club (tires and all) you would be allowed to run with =
us no questions asked.&nbsp; VARA even extended that to our run groups =
and if you won, you won, no exclusions for tires.&nbsp; This sounds like =
a sensible way to race the K Cup and it will not have an impact on who =
takes home the K Cup this year, tires and finishing place position have =
never dictated the winner.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ken<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a =
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for =
Windows<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Chris Marx via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: =
</b>Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:59 AM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Scott Janzen'</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>=
<b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">''Friends of Triumph' =
Triumph'</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire =
Regulations<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DDE>Scott,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DDE>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m =
not familiar with the US rules of racing.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On FIA racing they require period correct tires for =
vintage racing.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Means threaded tires =
for cars before 1972 and slicks for cars after that =
date.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>There are certainly racing =
series who have their own rules and allow slicks or semis licks for =
older cars but this are special rules and not the historic correct FIA =
rules.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Now the problem:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>In =
K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all =
had different rules and different tires and brakes and modification =
regulations.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Means it is unfair by =
design as an old TR2 can=E2=80=99t hold up with a TR6 and a TR6 =
can=E2=80=99t compete with a prepped IMSA GTO TR8.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>They=E2=80=99re all different animals on different =
modification levels and the outcome is for a good part =
predictable.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m only a guest in your and run what I get =
told. I don=E2=80=99t bother about tires. It just needs 4 wheels to make =
me happy, nothing else.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
don=E2=80=99t care about threads or not. I even drive on slicks in rain =
if necessary.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I don=E2=80=99t know if the tires are already ordered =
but if they=E2=80=99re slicks, we cut them to make them fitting the =
rules.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>If that not helps, we put WD40 =
on to make them slick.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span =
lang=3DDE> Scott Janzen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 27. Juni 2022 23:54<br><b>An:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>=
<b>Cc:</b> Jason Sukey &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Brian Dolan =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; =
'Friends of Triumph' Triumph &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Betre=
ff:</b> Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire =
Regulations</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>tire rules =
are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I understand it. =
&nbsp; VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have never =
allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here. &nbsp;However, =
it=E2=80=99s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech =
with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just =
sayin! &nbsp;Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement =
- we are supposed to be self-policing. &nbsp;I think you=E2=80=99re =
seeing a pretty good reaction here because of the late timing of the =
announcement, and also because many of the Triumph racers at this event =
run a lot of races with VRG and other east coast clubs that require =
treaded tires. &nbsp;It really does put the cars on an unequal footing =
(no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the car on slicks =
will be significantly faster. &nbsp;We all know ways we could make our =
cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - =
but that=E2=80=99s not vintage.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs =
show up for the event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires =
into who gets the awards. &nbsp;I personally feel that if you podium by =
1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you=E2=80=99ve lost your bragging rights. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Just my 2 =
cents.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Scott<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE>Just a =
question.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DDE>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there =
were cars on slicks in the K-Cup race.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Has the rule been changed that slicks are not allowed =
anymore?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
lang=3DDE>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3DDE>Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><b>Im Auftrag =
von<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></b>Jason Sukey via =
Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Montag, 27. Juni 2022 =
19:49<br><b>An:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Brian Dolan &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>C=
c:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Friends of =
Triumph &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Betre=
ff:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] =
Kastner Cup Tire Regulations</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still =
competing for podiums during the K Cup races, but I could be =
mis-interpreting it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jason<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'>Seems =
like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting =
standards for who can =
podium.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'>Am I missing something on =
that angle?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'>On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at =
1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:9.6pt'>Not =
good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically =
requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this =
event. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:9.6pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:9.6pt'>Sent from my =
iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:9.6pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:45.6pt'>On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'>=EF=BB=BF<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner =
Cup this year (39 as of today).&nbsp; But it would be great to be at 40 =
or more for the 20th Kastner Cup!<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our =
group that typically run on slick tires.&nbsp; PVGP has modified the =
&quot;no slicks&quot; rule for Triumphs.&nbsp; You can run<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><strong><u><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>grooved slick =
tires</span></u></strong><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>in the Kastner Cup.&nbsp; You =
can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be =
eligible for any awards for podium recognition.&nbsp; For those that =
don't have tire options this will certainly help.&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever =
reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt =
Race.&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.&nbsp;<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>After July 1, the fee goes =
up to $645, so act =
now!</span></strong></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'><a =
href=3D"https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-=
race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031" =
target=3D"_blank">2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt =
Race</a></span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'><a =
href=3D"https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-=
race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>(motorsportreg.com)</a></span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Thanks.<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Curt Johnston<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>707-249-1667<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:45.6pt'>_______________________________________________<br><a =
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Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 19:13:45 -0700

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We have ALL been there!  Ken

From: Fot <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Chris Marx via Fot
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 12:19 PM
To: 'Steven Belfer' <[email-masked]>; 'fot@autox. team. net' <fot@au=
tox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

Cheers

Chris

Im Auftrag von Steven Belfer via Fot
Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juni 2022 21:11
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

Whatever tires you got, remember, =E2=80=9Cto finish first, you must first =
finish=E2=80=9D    

~Steve

On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Ken Knight via Fot <[email-masked] <mailt=
o:[email-masked]> > wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

At the four K Cups I have attended, and raced at, you could run your car as=
 eligible in your home club.  When I was K Cup Race Chair in 2019 at Button=
willow  VARA made it clear from the start that if your car was legal in you=
r club (tires and all) you would be allowed to run with us no questions ask=
ed.  VARA even extended that to our run groups and if you won, you won, no =
exclusions for tires.  This sounds like a sensible way to race the K Cup an=
d it will not have an impact on who takes home the K Cup this year, tires a=
nd finishing place position have never dictated the winner.

Ken

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986>  for Wind=
ows

Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:59 AM
to:[email-masked]> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations

Scott,

Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and slicks for cars after that da=
te.

There are certainly racing series who have their own rules and allow slicks=
 or semis licks for older cars but this are special rules and not the histo=
ric correct FIA rules.

Now the problem:

In K-Cup competing cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all ha=
d different rules and different tires and brakes and modification regulatio=
ns.

Means it is unfair by design as an old TR2 can=E2=80=99t hold up with a TR6=
 and a TR6 can=E2=80=99t compete with a prepped IMSA GTO TR8.

They=E2=80=99re all different animals on different modification levels and =
the outcome is for a good part predictable.

I don=E2=80=99t know if the tires are already ordered but if they=E2=80=99r=
e slicks, we cut them to make them fitting the rules.

Cheers

Chris

tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I unders=
tand it.   VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) have never=
 allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here.  However, it=E2=80=
=99s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech with treaded=
 tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sayin!  Tech i=
s basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we are supposed to =
be self-policing.  I think you=E2=80=99re seeing a pretty good reaction her=
e because of the late timing of the announcement, and also because many of =
the Triumph racers at this event run a lot of races with VRG and other east=
 coast clubs that require treaded tires.  It really does put the cars on an=
 unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other things being equal, the ca=
r on slicks will be significantly faster.  We all know ways we could make o=
ur cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, air dams, programmable ignition - =
but that=E2=80=99s not vintage.

I for one am glad to see other interesting Triumphs show up for the event, =
even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires into who gets the awards.  I =
personally feel that if you podium by 1-2 seconds a lap on slicks, you=E2=
=80=99ve lost your bragging rights.  

Just my 2 cents.

Scott

On Jun 27, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot <[email-masked] <mailto=
:[email-masked]> > wrote:

Just a question.

When I was part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in =
the K-Cup race.

Cheers

Chris

The way I read it, treaded slick racers are still competing for podiums dur=
ing the K Cup races, but I could be mis-interpreting it.

Jason

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <[email-masked] <ma=
ilto:[email-masked]> > wrote:

Seems like a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while sett=
ing standards for who can podium. 

Am I missing something on that angle? 

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked] <m=
ailto:[email-masked]> > wrote:

Not good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically=
 requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this eve=
nt.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 27, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot <[email-masked] <ma=
ilto:[email-masked]> > wrote:

=EF=BB=BF 

Its good news that we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup th=
is year (39 as of today).  But it would be great to be at 40 or more for th=
e 20th Kastner Cup! 

I wanted to share news about tires that may have impacted some of our group=
 that typically run on slick tires.  PVGP has modified the "no slicks" rule=
 for Triumphs.  You can run grooved slick tires in the Kastner Cup.  You ca=
n also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you will not be eligi=
ble for any awards for podium recognition.  For those that don't have tire =
options this will certainly help.  

So if you're on the fence about attending this year for whatever reason, pl=
ease consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race.  

Regular entry fee is $595, plus $50 for the Kastner Cup.  After July 1, the=
 fee goes up to $645, so act now!

2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022=
-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>=
  <https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-pi=
ttsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031>  (motorsportreg.com)

Thanks. 

Curt Johnston 

Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair 

707-249-1667 

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a Fot<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 28, 2022 12:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Steven=
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p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>What I painfully learned at Watkins Glen.<o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div style=3D'bor=
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=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span lang=3DDE> Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Steven Belfer via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag=
, 28. Juni 2022 21:11<br><b>An:</b> fot@autox. team. net &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [=
Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Whatever tires you g=
ot, remember, =E2=80=9Cto finish first, you must first finish=E2=80=9D &nbs=
p; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>~Steve<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'marg=
in-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0p=
t;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>=
On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Ken Knight via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@=
autox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquot=
e></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>At the four =
K Cups I have attended, and raced at, you could run your car as eligible in=
 your home club.&nbsp; When I was K Cup Race Chair in 2019 at Buttonwillow =
&nbsp;VARA made it clear from the start that if your car was legal in your =
club (tires and all) you would be allowed to run with us no questions asked=
=2E&nbsp; VARA even extended that to our run groups and if you won, you won=
, no exclusions for tires.&nbsp; This sounds like a sensible way to race th=
e K Cup and it will not have an impact on who takes home the K Cup this yea=
r, tires and finishing place position have never dictated the winner.<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ken=
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">M=
ail</a> for Windows<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p=
><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in=
 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net">Chris Marx via Fot</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:59 A=
M<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Scott Janzen'</a>; <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>C=
c: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'=
</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations<o:p></o:p></=
p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n lang=3DDE>Scott,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DD=
E>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m not familiar=
 with the US rules of racing.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>On FIA rac=
ing they require period correct tires for vintage racing.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Means threaded tires for cars before 1972 and slicks for =
cars after that date.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>There are certainl=
y racing series who have their own rules and allow slicks or semis licks fo=
r older cars but this are special rules and not the historic correct FIA ru=
les.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal>Now the problem:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>In K-Cup competi=
ng cars of 3 decades 50ties, 60ties, 70ties and they all had different rule=
s and different tires and brakes and modification regulations.<o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Means it is unfair by design as an old TR2 can=E2=80=
=99t hold up with a TR6 and a TR6 can=E2=80=99t compete with a prepped IMSA=
 GTO TR8.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>They=E2=80=99re all different =
animals on different modification levels and the outcome is for a good part=
 predictable.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m only a guest in your and run what I get told. I=
 don=E2=80=99t bother about tires. It just needs 4 wheels to make me happy,=
 nothing else.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I don=E2=80=99t care abou=
t threads or not. I even drive on slicks in rain if necessary.<o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I don=E2=
=80=99t know if the tires are already ordered but if they=E2=80=99re slicks=
, we cut them to make them fitting the rules.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal>If that not helps, we put WD40 on to make them slick.<o:p></o:p></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp=
;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E=
1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=
=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span lang=3DDE> Scott Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sj=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 27. Juni =
2022 23:54<br><b>An:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tr4rac=
[email-masked]</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Jason Sukey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jsuk=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Brian Dolan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:b=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; 'Friends of Triumph' Tri=
umph &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Regulations</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>tire rules are generally per the sponsoring club for the event, as I und=
erstand it. &nbsp; VRG (and PVGP, who I believe uses the VRG tire rules) ha=
ve never allowed slicks, so they had to make an exception here. &nbsp;Howev=
er, it=E2=80=99s not enforced, so cars have been seen that go through tech =
with treaded tires, which may end up being raced with other tires - just sa=
yin! &nbsp;Tech is basically a safety process, not a rules enforcement - we=
 are supposed to be self-policing. &nbsp;I think you=E2=80=99re seeing a pr=
etty good reaction here because of the late timing of the announcement, and=
 also because many of the Triumph racers at this event run a lot of races w=
ith VRG and other east coast clubs that require treaded tires. &nbsp;It rea=
lly does put the cars on an unequal footing (no pun intended) and all other=
 things being equal, the car on slicks will be significantly faster. &nbsp;=
We all know ways we could make our cars faster - wider wheels, spoilers, ai=
r dams, programmable ignition - but that=E2=80=99s not vintage.<o:p></o:p><=
/p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I for one am glad to see other interesting Tri=
umphs show up for the event, even if SCCA prepared - just factor the tires =
into who gets the awards. &nbsp;I personally feel that if you podium by 1-2=
 seconds a lap on slicks, you=E2=80=99ve lost your bragging rights. &nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Just my 2 cents.<o:p></o:p></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Scott<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Jun 27, 2=
022, at 5:21 PM, Chris Marx via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DDE>Just=
 a question.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lan=
g=3DDE>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>When I w=
as part of the K-Cup in 2013 and 2019 there were cars on slicks in the K-Cu=
p race.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Has the rule been cha=
nged that slicks are not allowed anymore?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers<o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E=
1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=
=3DDE>Von:</span></b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span lang=3DDE>&n=
bsp;</span></span><span lang=3DDE>Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span class=3Dapple-converte=
d-space>&nbsp;</span><b>Im Auftrag von<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&=
nbsp;</span></b>Jason Sukey via Fot<br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class=3Dapple-=
converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Montag, 27. Juni 2022 19:49<br><b>An:</b><span=
 class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Brian Dolan &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b><span cl=
ass=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Friends of Triumph &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Betreff:</b><sp=
an class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup Tire Re=
gulations</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The way I read it, trea=
ded slick racers are still competing for podiums during the K Cup races, bu=
t I could be mis-interpreting it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal>Jason<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 2=
7, 2022 at 1:45 PM Brian Dolan via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
=2Enet">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockq=
uote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0=
in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'>Seems lik=
e a reasonable compromise to allow more people to race, while setting stand=
ards for who can podium.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'>Am I missing some=
thing on that angle?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:4.8pt'>On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 a=
t 1:39 PM Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div=
><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0=
in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin=
-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:9.6pt'>N=
ot good news for those of us who consistently run vintage, which typically =
requires treaded tires, and are not going to buy a set of R7s for this even=
t. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin=
-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:9.6pt'>&nbsp=
;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:9.6pt'>=
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:9.6pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:=
5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt=
:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:45.6pt'>On Jun 27, 2=
022, at 12:11 PM, Curt Johnston via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></=
blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'=
><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'>=EF=BB=BF<span=
 class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span style=3D'font-size:=
12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Its good news that=
 we have nearly 40 cars registered for the Kastner Cup this year (39 as of =
today).&nbsp; But it would be great to be at 40 or more for the 20th Kastne=
r Cup!<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><=
span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33=
3333'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:=
"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>I wanted to share news about tires th=
at may have impacted some of our group that typically run on slick tires.&n=
bsp; PVGP has modified the &quot;no slicks&quot; rule for Triumphs.&nbsp; Y=
ou can run<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><strong><u><span=
 style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>grooved slick tires</span></u=
></strong><span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>in the Kastner C=
up.&nbsp; You can also run these tires in the regular run groups, but you w=
ill not be eligible for any awards for podium recognition.&nbsp; For those =
that don't have tire options this will certainly help.&nbsp;<span class=3Da=
pple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>&nbsp;</span><o=
:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-lef=
t:45.6pt'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-seri=
f;color:#333333'>So if you're on the fence about attending this year for wh=
atever reason, please consider joining a huge 20th Kastner Cup at Pitt Race=
=2E&nbsp;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p=
></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt=
'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:=
#333333'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Regular entry fee is $595, plus $5=
0 for the Kastner Cup.&nbsp;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</spa=
n><strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>After July 1, =
the fee goes up to $645, so act now!</span></strong></span><o:p></o:p></p><=
/div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><str=
ong><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;colo=
r:#333333'><a href=3D"https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-histor=
ics-at-pitt-race-pittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031" target=3D"_=
blank">2022 PVGP Historics at Pitt Race</a></span></strong><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><a href=
=3D"https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2022-pvgp-historics-at-pitt-race-p=
ittsburgh-international-compl-vintage-771031" target=3D"_blank"><span class=
=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>(motorsportreg.com)</a></span><o:p></=
o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.=
6pt'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;col=
or:#333333'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Thanks.<span class=3Dapple-conv=
erted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt=
;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'=
><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#=
333333'>Curt Johnston<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin=
-left:45.6pt'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-=
serif;color:#333333'>Kastner Cup Race Committee Chair<span class=3Dapple-co=
nverted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:45.6pt'><span style=3D'font-size:12.0=
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p;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal s=
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