Subject: Re: [Fot] Tire recommendations

From: Brad Eells via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 18:58:49 -0800

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Lee,

If you are one of those fast guys like...Chuck Gee, you have the right tire
with a Treadwear Rating of 40. Those of us who are far less fast and still
have our training wheels on, go with the Toyo R888R with a Treadwear Rating
of 100. The Toyo is significantly less expensive and longer lasting, but
slower.

VARA is pretty loose with tire rules compared to other Vintage sanctioning
bodies.

*Brad Eells*
*Chino CA*
*#72 FP 1969 Triumph Spitfire Mk3*
*#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4*
*1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the road!*

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 5:52 PM LEE FOLLANSBEE via Fot <[email-masked]>
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> Currently running Hoosier P185/60zr13 A7 on my Racing Spitfire.  Getting
> ready to order new tires for this year. Wondering if anyone has input on a
> possibly better choice?
>
> Lee Follansbee
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Lee,<div><br></div><div>If you are one of those fast guys =
like...Chuck Gee, you have the right tire with a Treadwear Rating of 40. Th=
ose of us who are far less fast and still have our training wheels on, go w=
ith the Toyo R888R with a Treadwear Rating of 100. The Toyo is significantl=
y less expensive and longer lasting, but slower.</div><div><br></div><div>V=
ARA is pretty loose with tire rules compared to other Vintage sanctioning b=
odies.</div><div><br></div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
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=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">Chino CA</font></b></div><=
div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">#72 FP 1969 Trium=
ph Spitfire Mk3</font></b></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font co=
lor=3D"#000000">#35 DP 1962 Triumph TR4</font></b></div><div style=3D"font-=
size:12.8px"><b><font color=3D"#000000">1965 Triumph TR4A IRS...for the roa=
d!</font></b><br></div></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b><font color=
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l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 5:52 =
PM LEE FOLLANSBEE via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fot@aut=
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Currently running Hoosier P185/60zr13 A7 on my Racing Spitfire.=C2=A0 Getti=
ng ready to order new tires for this year. Wondering if anyone has input on=
 a possibly better choice?</div>
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From: Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 13:31:31 +0000 (UTC)

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 Lee - I'm not sure where or who you run with, but different sanctioning bo=
dies have different rules regarding tires.
For example, the Hoosier A7. which is basically an autocross tire as well a=
s the R7 are NOT approved for use with SVRA and all sanctioning bodies that=
 use the SVRA tire reg. Some groups do allow the R7's - so you have to chec=
k with the group you run with. One group that I run with, Historic Racing G=
roup, allows the Hoosier R7's. Talking to other drivers, those tires are at=
 least 2 seconds a lap faster than the Hoosier TDR's that I run to be legal=
 with VRG and SVRA. Also note that some racing groups will let you run the =
faster tires, but you run with more modern cars that will (mostly) be a LOT=
 faster.

If the rules for your group are relatively lax, the Hoosier R7 is a very fa=
st tire. If you are just learning vintage, I would stay away from the faste=
st tires until you get more comfortable with both the car and those drivers=
 around you. That said, if your group requires a minimum treadwear rating, =
you need to focus on that. For example, some groups say 200 min on the TW a=
nd that limits your choices. Also note that in addition to treadwear rating=
s, some groups have limits on the tire profile so you have to pay attention=
 to that.
Last -=C2=A0 if you are forced to switch to bias-ply tires, you will have t=
o look at your setup specs, specifically the camber settings. Bias tires ru=
n with much less camber than the radials require.

Regards,Bob Lang

    On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 08:52:29 PM EST, LEE FOLLANSBEE via Fot <=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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  Currently running Hoosier P185/60zr13 A7 on my Racing Spitfire.=C2=A0 Get=
ting ready to order new tires for this year. Wondering if anyone has input =
on a possibly better choice?
Lee Follansbee_______________________________________________
[email-masked]

@yahoo.com

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Lee - I'm not sure where or =
who you run with, but different sanctioning bodies have different rules reg=
arding tires.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">For example, the Hoosier A7. which is basic=
ally an autocross tire as well as the R7 are NOT approved for use with SVRA=
 and all sanctioning bodies that use the SVRA tire reg. Some groups do allo=
w the R7's - so you have to check with the group you run with. One group th=
at I run with, Historic Racing Group, allows the Hoosier R7's. Talking to o=
ther drivers, those tires are at least 2 seconds a lap faster than the Hoos=
ier TDR's that I run to be legal with VRG and SVRA. Also note that some rac=
ing groups will let you run the faster tires, but you run with more modern =
cars that will (mostly) be a LOT faster.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-set=
dir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">If the rules=
 for your group are relatively lax, the Hoosier R7 is a very fast tire. If =
you are just learning vintage, I would stay away from the fastest tires unt=
il you get more comfortable with both the car and those drivers around you.=
 That said, if your group requires a minimum treadwear rating, you need to =
focus on that. For example, some groups say 200 min on the TW and that limi=
ts your choices. Also note that in addition to treadwear ratings, some grou=
ps have limits on the tire profile so you have to pay attention to that.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false">Last -&nbsp; if you are forced to switch to bias-ply tires,=
 you will have to look at your setup specs, specifically the camber setting=
s. Bias tires run with much less camber than the radials require.<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setd=
ir=3D"false">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<=
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Currently running Hoosier P185/60zr13 A7 on my Racing Spitfire.&nbsp; Getti=
ng ready to order new tires for this year. Wondering if anyone has input on=
 a possibly better choice?</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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From: Enquiries Road & Track via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2022 08:23:48 +1100

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fwiw, here in australia, we are almost spoiled for choice  . with race
tyres . we have lots of relatively new-comer asian made race tyres, some of
which are very good for the $. BUT, few are available in much less than
205/50/15 size, so 13" is =C3=BCnusual", if thats what you are asking about=
.

they are all radial construction

if you are looking to move away from Hoosiers (which are relatively
uncommon here) , look into Nankang and Hankook, which both appear to be
comparable to many established race tyres and often for 50% of the price.

terry

On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:32 AM Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Lee - I'm not sure where or who you run with, but different sanctioning
> bodies have different rules regarding tires.
>
> For example, the Hoosier A7. which is basically an autocross tire as well
> as the R7 are NOT approved for use with SVRA and all sanctioning bodies
> that use the SVRA tire reg. Some groups do allow the R7's - so you have t=
o
> check with the group you run with. One group that I run with, Historic
> Racing Group, allows the Hoosier R7's. Talking to other drivers, those
> tires are at least 2 seconds a lap faster than the Hoosier TDR's that I r=
un
> to be legal with VRG and SVRA. Also note that some racing groups will let
> you run the faster tires, but you run with more modern cars that will
> (mostly) be a LOT faster.
>
> If the rules for your group are relatively lax, the Hoosier R7 is a very
> fast tire. If you are just learning vintage, I would stay away from the
> fastest tires until you get more comfortable with both the car and those
> drivers around you. That said, if your group requires a minimum treadwear
> rating, you need to focus on that. For example, some groups say 200 min o=
n
> the TW and that limits your choices. Also note that in addition to
> treadwear ratings, some groups have limits on the tire profile so you hav=
e
> to pay attention to that.
>
> Last -  if you are forced to switch to bias-ply tires, you will have to
> look at your setup specs, specifically the camber settings. Bias tires ru=
n
> with much less camber than the radials require.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Lang
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 08:52:29 PM EST, LEE FOLLANSBEE via Fot <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><font>fwiw, here in australia<font>,</font><font><font> we=
 are almost spoiled for choice=C2=A0 . with</font><font>=C2=A0race tyres .=
=C2=A0</font></font><font>we have lots of relatively new-comer asian made r=
ace </font><font>tyres</font><font>, some of which are very good for the $.=
 BUT, few are available in much=C2=A0less than 205/50/15 size, so 13&quot; =
is =C3=BCnusual&quot;, if </font>thats what you are asking about.</font><di=
v><br></div><div>they are all radial construction</div><div><br></div><div>=
<font>if you are looking to move away from Hoosiers (which are relatively u=
ncommon here) , look into Nankang and Hankook, which both appear to be comp=
arable to many established race tyres<font> and often for 50% of the price.=
=C2=A0</font></font></div><div><font><font><br></font></font></div><div><fo=
nt><font>terry</font></font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><br></di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:32 AM Robert Lang via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div=
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Lee - I&#39;m not sure where or who you run with, =
but different sanctioning bodies have different rules regarding tires.</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">For example, the Hoosier A7. w=
hich is basically an autocross tire as well as the R7 are NOT approved for =
use with SVRA and all sanctioning bodies that use the SVRA tire reg. Some g=
roups do allow the R7&#39;s - so you have to check with the group you run w=
ith. One group that I run with, Historic Racing Group, allows the Hoosier R=
7&#39;s. Talking to other drivers, those tires are at least 2 seconds a lap=
 faster than the Hoosier TDR&#39;s that I run to be legal with VRG and SVRA=
. Also note that some racing groups will let you run the faster tires, but =
you run with more modern cars that will (mostly) be a LOT faster.<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">If the rules for your group are=
 relatively lax, the Hoosier R7 is a very fast tire. If you are just learni=
ng vintage, I would stay away from the fastest tires until you get more com=
fortable with both the car and those drivers around you. That said, if your=
 group requires a minimum treadwear rating, you need to focus on that. For =
example, some groups say 200 min on the TW and that limits your choices. Al=
so note that in addition to treadwear ratings, some groups have limits on t=
he tire profile so you have to pay attention to that.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Last -=C2=A0 if you are forced to switch to bia=
s-ply tires, you will have to look at your setup specs, specifically the ca=
mber settings. Bias tires run with much less camber than the radials requir=
e.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Bob Lang<br></div><div><br></div>
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