Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum Radiators

From: J Wagner via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 14:23:42 -0800

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This is informative=E2=80=A6.

What material makes the better Radiator: Aluminum or Copper?

https://www.motormouthradio.com/blog/118-what-material-makes-the-better-radi=
ator-aluminum-or-copper

An Aluminum or Copper Radiator for Your Car - Car Craft Magazine

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/ccrp-0211-aluminum-or-copper-radiator-for-=
your-car/

> On Jan 4, 2022, at 12:56 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <[email-masked]=
t> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BFOn 1/4/22 11:50 AM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote:
>> I read an interesting article once that said while brass/copper out perfo=
rms aluminum, an aluminum radiator will dissipate heat better than brass rad=
iators because of all the leads solder in the seams of the brass. Lead holds=
 the heat and therefore offsets the advantage of the brass. Seems like reaso=
nable logic but I can=E2=80=99t substantiate it.
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> Why aluminum radiators are better than bass:
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> Thermal conductivity Btu/(hr.ft  degrees F)
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> brass (stock radiators) -  83 degrees
> Aluminum (radiators) - 126
> copper - 218
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> cast iron - 27.7
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> TeriAnn
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thi=
s is informative=E2=80=A6.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><b>What material makes the bette=
r Radiator: Aluminum or Copper?</b></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>https://www.mo=
tormouthradio.com/blog/118-what-material-makes-the-better-radiator-aluminum-=
or-copper</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><b>An Aluminum or Copper Radiator for Your C=
ar - Car Craft Magazine</b></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>https://www.motortrend=
.com/how-to/ccrp-0211-aluminum-or-copper-radiator-for-your-car/</div></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 4, 2022, at 12:56 PM, T=
eriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockqu=
ote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>On 1/4/2=
2 11:50 AM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote:</span><br><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><span>I read an interesting article once that said while brass/copper ou=
t performs aluminum, an aluminum radiator will dissipate heat better than br=
ass radiators because of all the leads solder in the seams of the brass. Lea=
d holds the heat and therefore offsets the advantage of the brass. Seems lik=
e reasonable logic but I can=E2=80=99t substantiate it.</span><br></blockquo=
te><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Why aluminum radiators are better=
 than bass:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thermal conductivity Btu/(hr.ft=
&nbsp; degrees F)</span><br><span></span><br><span>brass (stock radiators) -=
&nbsp; 83 degrees</span><br><span>Aluminum (radiators) - 126</span><br><span=
>copper - 218</span><br><span></span><br><span>cast iron - 27.7</span><br><s=
pan></span><br><span>TeriAnn</span><br><span></span><br><span>______________=
_________________________________</span><br><span>[email-masked]</span><=
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From: rek46 via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 23:45:27 +0000 (UTC)

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There is no solder in the fin to tube transfer.....the tubes are a Brazed a=
lum. that is 7 to 12 percent outer layer of Silicon...depending on whether =
it is for one side or 2....these ingots are mated together (1 or 2 side ) w=
ith the original 3000 series base ingot ...So you have a base ingot (about =
20") and one or 2 outer ingots(about 2' to 3' per side as spec req.required=
) stacked up to get your=C2=A0 one or 2 side outer layers... Then they are =
hot rolled on a reversing mill to several passes to get thin er gauges...wh=
ich next goes to some 4 stnd cold rolling mills. to get down to about .80 .=
..this is now ready to ship to finishig mill....which then will take about =
8 passes to get down to about .006 to .004"....during this process ,you may=
 need to inter-anneal at certain passes,to end up with H-19=C2=A0 to H -0 T=
EMPERS for forming ,etc.=C2=A0 dependent on customers finish processes, and=
 customer requierments (many)....This is non technical info as req. by secr=
ecy agreements....BTW...Fin stock is run seperate ly ,and produced to .003"=
 ish=C2=A0 =C2=A0to . 0045" ish,plus specials for other reqs........rick
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
In a message dated 1/4/2022 5:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email-masked]=
m.net writes:=C2=A0
=C2=A0This is informative=E2=80=A6.=C2=A0=C2=A0What material makes the bett=
er Radiator: Aluminum or Copper?
https://www.motormouthradio.com/blog/118-what-material-makes-the-better-rad=
iator-aluminum-or-copper=C2=A0=C2=A0An Aluminum or Copper Radiator for Your=
 Car - Car Craft Magazine
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/ccrp-0211-aluminum-or-copper-radiator-for=
-your-car/

On Jan 4, 2022, at 12:56 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot <[email-masked]=
> wrote:

On 1/4/22 11:50 AM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote:

I read an interesting article once that said while brass/copper out perform=
s aluminum, an aluminum radiator will dissipate heat better than brass radi=
ators because of all the leads solder in the seams of the brass. Lead holds=
 the heat and therefore offsets the advantage of the brass. Seems like reas=
onable logic but I can=E2=80=99t substantiate it.

Thermal conductivity Btu/(hr.ft=C2=A0 degrees F)

brass (stock radiators) -=C2=A0 83 degrees
Aluminum (radiators) - 126
copper - 218

cast iron - 27.7

TeriAnn

l.com

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 font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: #000000; font-styl=
e: normal; font-weight: 400;">There is no solder in the fin to tube transfe=
r.....the tubes are a Brazed alum. that is 7 to 12 percent outer layer of S=
ilicon...depending on whether it is for one side or 2....these ingots are m=
ated together (1 or 2 side ) with the original 3000 series base ingot ...So=
 you have a base ingot (about 20") and one or 2 outer ingots(about 2' to 3'=
 per side as spec req.required) stacked up to get your&nbsp; one or 2 side =
outer layers... Then they are hot rolled on a reversing mill to several pas=
ses to get thin er gauges...which next goes to some 4 stnd cold rolling mil=
ls. to get down to about .80 ...this is now ready to ship to finishig mill.=
...which then will take about 8 passes to get down to about .006 to .004"..=
..during this process ,you may need to inter-anneal at certain passes,to en=
d up with H-19&nbsp; to H -0 TEMPERS for forming ,etc.&nbsp; dependent on c=
ustomers finish processes, and customer requierments (many)....This is non =
technical info as req. by secrecy agreements....BTW...Fin stock is run sepe=
rate ly ,and produced to .003" ish&nbsp; &nbsp;to . 0045" ish,plus specials=
 for other reqs........rick<br></span></div>
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<br>In a message dated 1/4/2022 5:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, fot@autox=
.team.net writes:
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This is informative&hellip;.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><strong>What material makes the better Radiator: Aluminum =
or Copper?</strong></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><a href=3D"https://www.motormouthradio.=
com/blog/118-what-material-makes-the-better-radiator-aluminum-or-copper" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer">https://www.motormouthradio.com=
/blog/118-what-material-makes-the-better-radiator-aluminum-or-copper</a></d=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><strong>An Aluminum or Copper Radiator for Your Car - Car =
Craft Magazine</strong></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><a href=3D"https://www.motortrend.com/h=
ow-to/ccrp-0211-aluminum-or-copper-radiator-for-your-car/" target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer">https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/ccrp-0211-a=
luminum-or-copper-radiator-for-your-car/</a></div>
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<blockquote>On Jan 4, 2022, at 12:56 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman via Fot &lt;fot=
@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquot=
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<div id=3D"yiv1040277252yqtfd57369" class=3D"yiv1040277252yqt0241680626">On=
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<blockquote>I read an interesting article once that said while brass/copper=
 out performs aluminum, an aluminum radiator will dissipate heat better tha=
n brass radiators because of all the leads solder in the seams of the brass=
. Lead holds the heat and therefore offsets the advantage of the brass. See=
ms like reasonable logic but I can&rsquo;t substantiate it.</blockquote>
<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Why aluminum radiators are better tha=
n bass:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Thermal conductivity Btu/(hr.f=
t&nbsp; degrees F)<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">brass (stock radiat=
ors) -&nbsp; 83 degrees<br clear=3D"none">Aluminum (radiators) - 126<br cle=
ar=3D"none">copper - 218<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">cast iron - 2=
7.7<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">TeriAnn<br clear=3D"none"><br clea=
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