Subject: [Fot] Aluminium radiators

From: robert bownes via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 15:55:18 -0500

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Wise(ned) ones,

Where are folks getting (street) Al radiators nowadays? Just got the
original TR6 rad back from the local radiator shop with an estimate of
~$360 to re-core, re-cap the lower end, and get rid of all the acorns the
squirrels have thoughtfully stashed in mine, so I figure it's probably
cheaper to get a new Al one than press my luck with the original.

I found 3 row versions for a bit under $200, but they don't seem to know
much about Triumphs (the pictures have the inlet/outlet pointing in the
wrong directions) so I figured I'd check here...

Stay fast!
Bob

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>Wise(ned) ones,</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Where are folks getting (street) Al radiators nowadays? Just got the ori=
ginal TR6 rad back from the local radiator shop with an estimate of ~$360 t=
o re-core, re-cap the lower end, and get rid of all the acorns the squirrel=
s have thoughtfully stashed in mine, so I figure it&#39;s probably cheaper =
to get a new Al one than press my luck with the original. <br></div><div><b=
r></div><div>I found 3 row versions for a bit under $200, but they don&#39;=
t seem to know much about Triumphs (the pictures have the inlet/outlet poin=
ting in the wrong directions) so I figured I&#39;d check here...</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Stay fast!</div><div>Bob</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>=
<div><br></div></div>

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From: Paul Ricco via Fot <[email-masked]>
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FOT,

We have good experiences with Wizard as well. They have been reliable and th=
e quality is very good.  As some people feel that oil coolers are a consumab=
le a item, our research indicates the same may be true for aluminum radiator=
s in cars with cast iron blocks. There are things that can be done to help t=
hem live for years. However, they eventually need to be replaced due to the r=
elationship of cast iron, aluminum, water and electrical current.=20

Also, I would say NEVER run any type of coolant stop leak product with an al=
uminum radiator, especially with an iron block. You will plug the radiator v=
ery-very quickly.  Not to mention the mess the stops leaks product makes whe=
re your block and head ports are supposed to be able to move coolant.  If yo=
u are swapping fluids, find the leak and fix it correctly.=20

I am on year 5 with the last wizard that I purchased and it is still doing g=
ood.=20

Paul Ricco

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2022, at 4:01 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFI got a custom radiator for the GT6 from Wizard a few months ago,=
 and it is really beautiful craftsmanship.  I had them duplicate the dimensi=
ons of one I got twelve years ago from an outfit that went out of business. =
 They copied it perfectly. About a 6-8 week leadtime, maybe less if you are g=
etting off-the-shelf.
>=20
> I will say that I=E2=80=99d had the prior one repaired a few times - they c=
an be welded or sealed depending on where the damage is.  The last time I di=
d some serious damage to it, so it was truly irreparable.
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> Much, much lighter than stock, too.
>=20
> Scott
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> On Jan 3, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
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> There are a bunch of answers here, but a lot of TR6 crowd buys them from W=
izard Radiator (www.wizardcooling.com)
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> There's a guy on the Triumphs list - Art Lipp - that sells the Wizards at a=
 discount.
>=20
> My one concern about aluminium radiators is that most of the time you can'=
t fix them, so if you crack them, it's in the bin for 'em. Copper / brass is=
 more forgiving. Ally does have the "wow" factor, though.
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> c ya,
> rml
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> On Monday, January 3, 2022, 03:55:59 PM EST, robert bownes via Fot <fot@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
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> Wise(ned) ones,
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> Where are folks getting (street) Al radiators nowadays? Just got the origi=
nal TR6 rad back from the local radiator shop with an estimate of ~$360 to r=
e-core, re-cap the lower end, and get rid of all the acorns the squirrels ha=
ve thoughtfully stashed in mine, so I figure it's probably cheaper to get a n=
ew Al one than press my luck with the original.=20
>=20
> I found 3 row versions for a bit under $200, but they don't seem to know m=
uch about Triumphs (the pictures have the inlet/outlet pointing in the wrong=
 directions) so I figured I'd check here...
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">FOT,<div><br></div><div>We have good experi=
ences with Wizard as well. They have been reliable and the quality is very g=
ood. &nbsp;As some people feel that oil coolers are a consumable a item, our=
 research indicates the same may be true for aluminum radiators in cars with=
 cast iron blocks. There are things that can be done to help them live for y=
ears. However, they eventually need to be replaced due to the relationship o=
f cast iron, aluminum, water and electrical current.&nbsp;<div><br></div><di=
v>Also, I would say NEVER run any type of coolant stop leak product with an a=
luminum radiator, especially with an iron block. You will plug the radiator v=
ery-very quickly. &nbsp;Not to mention the mess the stops leaks product make=
s where your block and head ports are supposed to be able to move coolant. &=
nbsp;If you are swapping fluids, find the leak and fix it correctly.&nbsp;<b=
r><div><br></div><div>I am on year 5 with the last wizard that I purchased a=
nd it is still doing good.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Paul Ricco<br><br>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">On Jan 3, 2022, at 4:01 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;fot@autox.=
team.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html=
; charset=3Dutf-8">I got a custom radiator for the GT6 from Wizard a few mon=
ths ago, and it is really beautiful craftsmanship. &nbsp;I had them duplicat=
e the dimensions of one I got twelve years ago from an outfit that went out o=
f business. &nbsp;They copied it perfectly. About a 6-8 week leadtime, maybe=
 less if you are getting off-the-shelf.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>=
<div class=3D"">I will say that I=E2=80=99d had the prior one repaired a few=
 times - they can be welded or sealed depending on where the damage is. &nbs=
p;The last time I did some serious damage to it, so it was truly irreparable=
.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Much, much light=
er than stock, too.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"=
">Scott<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On=
 Jan 3, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Robert Lang via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@auto=
x.team.net" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"A=
pple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"ydp5=
5b5b3c5yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Ari=
al, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div class=3D""></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">There are a bunch o=
f answers here, but a lot of TR6 crowd buys them from Wizard Radiator (<a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.wizardcooling.com" class=3D"">www.wizardcooling.com</a>)</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">There's a guy on the Triumph=
s list - Art Lipp - that sells the Wizards at a discount.</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">My one concern about aluminium radiators is t=
hat most of the time you can't fix them, so if you crack them, it's in the b=
in for 'em. Copper / brass is more forgiving. Ally does have the "wow" facto=
r, though.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br class=3D=
""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">c ya,</div><div d=
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ss=3D"">Wise(ned) ones,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=
=3D"">Where are folks getting (street) Al radiators nowadays? Just got the o=
riginal TR6 rad back from the local radiator shop with an estimate of ~$360 t=
o re-core, re-cap the lower end, and get rid of all the acorns the squirrels=
 have thoughtfully stashed in mine, so I figure it's probably cheaper to get=
 a new Al one than press my luck with the original. <br class=3D""></div><di=
v class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I found 3 row versions for=
 a bit under $200, but they don't seem to know much about Triumphs (the pict=
ures have the inlet/outlet pointing in the wrong directions) so I figured I'=
d check here...</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">St=
ay fast!</div><div class=3D"">Bob</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>=
<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></=
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 07:41:45 -0600

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I just upgraded my TR4 to a Griffen. The common circle track size is too tal=
l to mount straight up but they sell a shorter version. I modified the Griff=
en universal brackets for the bottom, to put the radiator in front of the or=
iginal mounts and made up an air box out of some tubing. Pegasus sells the h=
ose adapters. PN in the pictures below.=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2022, at 7:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hi - I'm not 100% certain about the thermal properties, but I'm certain th=
at cost was a major part of the engineering decisions to use copper / brass b=
ack in the day. But for street-driven cars, copper / brass is superior for a=
 lot of reasons if you leave out the weight as a factor. It's also more "for=
giving" to road debris and flex than aluminium. For a race car, it's no brai=
ner to use aluminium. Way less weight and they usually come with thicker cor=
es and more "rows", hence better suited for the application. Aluminum does h=
ave a limited service life, but you can extend that with proper maintenance (=
flushing the system frequently if you use plain water as the coolant) and ch=
ecking for cracks / pressure testing (catching problems before they become b=
ig problems).
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> Regards,
> Bob Lang
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> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022, 07:57:24 AM EST, Alexandre Camoletti via Fot <=
[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Amici, just a question, doesn=E2=80=99t copper dissipate heat better than a=
luminum ?
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> Alex Camoletti
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> =20
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> De : Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] De la part de John H. Hasty v=
ia Fot
> Envoy=C3=A9 : mardi 4 janvier 2022 02:12
> =C3=80 : Dave Hogye
> Cc : robert bownes; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
> Objet : Re: [Fot] Aluminium radiators
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> =20
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> We get ours custom made without filler neck ... side hoses... etc from How=
e... $ 350 +\-
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 3, 2022, at 7:21 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:=

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> =EF=BB=BF I have been using a Griffin aluminum radiator for over 8 years n=
ow.  Also, nicely made and good fit in my TR3.  I ordered it with a shroud a=
nd puller fan. $700 total.  Radiator only, $500.=20
>=20
> They will build custom. I ordered mine without the problematic or crack pr=
one factory style extended filler neck. I fill it from an expansion tank.=20=

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> Dave H.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:32 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote:=

>=20
> =EF=BB=BFFOT,
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> =20
>=20
> We have good experiences with Wizard as well. They have been reliable and t=
he quality is very good.  As some people feel that oil coolers are a consuma=
ble a item, our research indicates the same may be true for aluminum radiato=
rs in cars with cast iron blocks. There are things that can be done to help t=
hem live for years. However, they eventually need to be replaced due to the r=
elationship of cast iron, aluminum, water and electrical current.=20
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Also, I would say NEVER run any type of coolant stop leak product with an a=
>=20
> =20
>=20
> I am on year 5 with the last wizard that I purchased and it is still doing=
 good.=20
 discount.
nal TR6 rad back from the local radiator shop with an estimate of ~$360 to r=
e-core, re-cap the lower end, and get rid of all the acorns the squirrels ha=
ve thoughtfully stashed in mine, so I figure it's probably cheaper to get a n=
ew Al one than press my luck with the original.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I just upgraded my TR4 to a Griffen. The co=
mmon circle track size is too tall to mount straight up but they sell a shor=
ter version. I modified the Griffen universal brackets for the bottom, to pu=
t the radiator in front of the original mounts and made up an air box out of=
 some tubing. Pegasus sells the hose adapters. PN in the pictures below.&nbs=
p;<div><br></div><div><img src=3D"cid:8BBEF5A7-98ED-403D-96B9-66D1AA695B88-L=
0-001"><img src=3D"cid:A44E6A2A-D268-427B-838C-28B462147549-L0-001"><img src=
=3D"cid:4B5FF293-3425-4DAD-9169-115D89F89053-L0-001"><img src=3D"cid:CB41529=
E-BD46-4D2A-BC32-BF84AF0BD6C3-L0-001"><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my i=
Phone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 4, 2022, at=
 7:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blo=
ckquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=
=3D"ydp146a1bdcyahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvet=
ica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi - I'm not 100% certain abo=
ut the thermal properties, but I'm certain that cost was a major part of the=
 engineering decisions to use copper / brass back in the day. But for street=
-driven cars, copper / brass is superior for a lot of reasons if you leave o=
ut the weight as a factor. It's also more "forgiving" to road debris and fle=
x than aluminium. For a race car, it's no brainer to use aluminium. Way less=
 weight and they usually come with thicker cores and more "rows", hence bett=
er suited for the application. Aluminum does have a limited service life, bu=
t you can extend that with proper maintenance (flushing the system frequentl=
y if you use plain water as the coolant) and checking for cracks / pressure t=
esting (catching problems before they become big problems).</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"=
>Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D=
"false"><br></div><div><br></div>
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                    On Tuesday, January 4, 2022, 07:57:24 AM EST, Alexandre C=
amoletti via Fot &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613"><div><div class=3D=
"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">Amici, just a que=
stion, doesn=E2=80=99t copper dissipate heat better than aluminum ?</span></=
p><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12=
.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">Alex Camoletti <=
/span></p><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:12.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> &nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv26=
23082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.5pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> &nbsp;<=
/span></p><div><div style=3D"border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentcolor c=
urrentcolor; border-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium;=
 padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><b><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"FR">De&nbsp;:</span></b><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;" lang=3D"FR"> Fot [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>=
De la part de</b> John H. Hasty via Fot<br clear=3D"none"><b>Envoy=C3=A9&nbs=
p;:</b> mardi 4 janvier 2022 02:12<br clear=3D"none"><b>=C3=80&nbsp;:</b> Da=
ve Hogye<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc&nbsp;:</b> robert bownes; 'Friends of Trium=
ph' Triumph<br clear=3D"none"><b>Objet&nbsp;:</b> Re: [Fot] Aluminium radiat=
ors</span></p></div></div><div id=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613yqt81928" class=
=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613yqt3268465474"><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082=
613MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp8291=
6f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">We get ours custom made without filler neck ... s=
ide hoses... etc from Howe... $ 350 +\-</p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv26=
23082613MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8a=
yiv2623082613MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></p><p style=3D=
"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">On Jan 3=
, 2022, at 7:21 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt;"><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF I have b=
een using a Griffin aluminum radiator for over 8 years now. &nbsp;Also, nice=
ly made and good fit in my TR3. &nbsp;I ordered it with a shroud and puller f=
an. $700 total. &nbsp;Radiator only, $500.&nbsp; </p><div><p class=3D"ydp829=
16f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">They will build custom. I ordered mine without t=
he problematic or crack prone factory style extended filler neck. I fill it f=
rom an expansion tank.&nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613Mso=
Normal">Dave H.</p></div><div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"yd=
p82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2=
623082613MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8=
ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></p><p style=3D=
"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">On Jan 3=
, 2022, at 2:32 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt;"><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BFFOT, </p>=
<div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">We have good experiences with W=
izard as well. They have been reliable and the quality is very good. &nbsp;A=
s some people feel that oil coolers are a consumable a item, our research in=
dicates the same may be true for aluminum radiators in cars with cast iron b=
locks. There are things that can be done to help them live for years. Howeve=
r, they eventually need to be replaced due to the relationship of cast iron,=
 aluminum, water and electrical current.&nbsp; </p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916=
f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2=
623082613MsoNormal">Also, I would say NEVER run any type of coolant stop lea=
k product with an aluminum radiator, especially with an iron block. You will=
 plug the radiator very-very quickly. &nbsp;Not to mention the mess the stop=
s leaks product makes where your block and head ports are supposed to be abl=
e to move coolant. &nbsp;If you are swapping fluids, find the leak and fix i=
t correctly.&nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> &=
nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">I am on y=
ear 5 with the last wizard that I purchased and it is still doing good.&nbsp=
;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></=
div><div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv262308261=
3MsoNormal">Paul Ricco</p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal=
">Sent from my iPhone</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoN=
ormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></p><p style=3D"margin-bottom:1=
2.0pt;" class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">On Jan 3, 2022, at 4:01 P=
M, Scott Janzen via Fot &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p=
></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><p c=
lass=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BFI got a custom radiator f=
or the GT6 from Wizard a few months ago, and it is really beautiful craftsma=
nship. &nbsp;I had them duplicate the dimensions of one I got twelve years a=
go from an outfit that went out of business. &nbsp;They copied it perfectly.=
 About a 6-8 week leadtime, maybe less if you are getting off-the-shelf. </p=
><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><=
p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">I will say that I=E2=80=99d ha=
d the prior one repaired a few times - they can be welded or sealed dependin=
g on where the damage is. &nbsp;The last time I did some serious damage to i=
t, so it was truly irreparable.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623=
082613MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613M=
soNormal">Much, much lighter than stock, too.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp8=
2916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8a=
yiv2623082613MsoNormal">Scott</p><div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082=
613MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"=
>On Jan 3, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Robert Lang via Fot &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"=
> &nbsp;</p><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">There are a bunch of answers here, but a=
 lot of TR6 crowd buys them from Wizard Radiator (<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"=
http://www.wizardcooling.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">www.wizardc=
ooling.com</a>)</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=
There's a guy on the Triumphs list - Art Lipp - that sells the Wizards at a d=
iscount.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">My one c=
oncern about aluminium radiators is that most of the time you can't fix them=
, so if you crack them, it's in the bin for 'em. Copper / brass is more forg=
iving. Ally does have the "wow" factor, though.</span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> &=
nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">c ya,</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82=
916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">rml</span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div></div><div id=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv262=
3082613ydp530db442yahoo_quoted_1346791563"><div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8a=
yiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">On M=
onday, January 3, 2022, 03:55:59 PM EST, robert bownes via Fot &lt;<a shape=3D=
"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp8291=
6f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">=
 &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div=
><div id=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613ydp530db442yiv1783638672"><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;c=
olor:#26282A;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv262308=
2613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">Wise(ned) one=
s,</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;c=
olor:#26282A;">Where are folks getting (street) Al radiators nowadays? Just g=
ot the original TR6 rad back from the local radiator shop with an estimate o=
f ~$360 to re-core, re-cap the lower end, and get rid of all the acorns the s=
quirrels have thoughtfully stashed in mine, so I figure it's probably cheape=
r to get a new Al one than press my luck with the original. </span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8=
ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">I f=
ound 3 row versions for a bit under $200, but they don't seem to know much a=
bout Triumphs (the pictures have the inlet/outlet pointing in the wrong dire=
ctions) so I figured I'd check here...</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp8=
2916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A=
;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">Stay fast!</span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">Bob</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayi=
v2623082613MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"> &nbsp=
;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp82916f8ayiv2623082613MsoNormal"><span s=
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From: Bob Kramer Gmail via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 12:26:09 -0600

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=EF=BB=BFI just upgraded my TR4 to a Griffen. The common circle track size i=
s too tall to mount straight up but they sell a shorter version. I modified t=
he Griffen universal brackets for the bottom, to put the radiator in front o=
f the original mounts and made up an air box out of some tubing. Pegasus sel=
ls the hose adapters. PN in the pictures below.=20
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jan 4, 2022, at 7:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
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>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Hi - I'm not 100% certain about the thermal properties, but I'm certain t=
hat cost was a major part of the engineering decisions to use copper / brass=
 back in the day. But for street-driven cars, copper / brass is superior for=
 a lot of reasons if you leave out the weight as a factor. It's also more "f=
orgiving" to road debris and flex than aluminium. For a race car, it's no br=
ainer to use aluminium. Way less weight and they usually come with thicker c=
ores and more "rows", hence better suited for the application. Aluminum does=
 have a limited service life, but you can extend that with proper maintenanc=
e (flushing the system frequently if you use plain water as the coolant) and=
 checking for cracks / pressure testing (catching problems before they becom=
e big problems).
>>=20
>> Regards,
>> Bob Lang
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022, 07:57:24 AM EST, Alexandre Camoletti via Fot=
 <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> Amici, just a question, doesn=E2=80=99t copper dissipate heat better than=
 aluminum ?
ia Fot
>> We get ours custom made without filler neck ... side hoses... etc from Ho=
we... $ 350 +\-
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 7:21 PM, Dave Hogye via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
>>=20
>> They will build custom. I ordered mine without the problematic or crack p=
rone factory style extended filler neck. I fill it from an expansion tank.=20=

>>=20
>> Dave H.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:32 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot <[email-masked]> wrote=
:
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>> =EF=BB=BFFOT,
>>=20
>> =20
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>> We have good experiences with Wizard as well. They have been reliable and=
 the quality is very good.  As some people feel that oil coolers are a consu=
mable a item, our research indicates the same may be true for aluminum radia=
tors in cars with cast iron blocks. There are things that can be done to hel=
p them live for years. However, they eventually need to be replaced due to t=
he relationship of cast iron, aluminum, water and electrical current.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Also, I would say NEVER run any type of coolant stop leak product with an=
 aluminum radiator, especially with an iron block. You will plug the radiato=
r very-very quickly.  Not to mention the mess the stops leaks product makes w=
here your block and head ports are supposed to be able to move coolant.  If y=
ou are swapping fluids, find the leak and fix it correctly.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I am on year 5 with the last wizard that I purchased and it is still doin=
g good.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Paul Ricco
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 4:01 PM, Scott Janzen via Fot <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFI got a custom radiator for the GT6 from Wizard a few months ago=
, and it is really beautiful craftsmanship.  I had them duplicate the dimens=
ions of one I got twelve years ago from an outfit that went out of business.=
  They copied it perfectly. About a 6-8 week leadtime, maybe less if you are=
 getting off-the-shelf.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> I will say that I=E2=80=99d had the prior one repaired a few times - they=
 can be welded or sealed depending on where the damage is.  The last time I d=
id some serious damage to it, so it was truly irreparable.
>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Robert Lang via Fot <[email-masked]> wrot=
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> There's a guy on the Triumphs list - Art Lipp - that sells the Wizards at=
 a discount.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> My one concern about aluminium radiators is that most of the time you can=
't fix them, so if you crack them, it's in the bin for 'em. Copper / brass i=
s more forgiving. Ally does have the "wow" factor, though.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> c ya,
>>=20
>> rml
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> On Monday, January 3, 2022, 03:55:59 PM EST, robert bownes via Fot <fot@a=
utox.team.net> wrote:
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>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Wise(ned) ones,
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Where are folks getting (street) Al radiators nowadays? Just got the orig=
inal TR6 rad back from the local radiator shop with an estimate of ~$360 to r=
e-core, re-cap the lower end, and get rid of all the acorns the squirrels ha=
ve thoughtfully stashed in mine, so I figure it's probably cheaper to get a n=
ew Al one than press my luck with the original.
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